NFL Draft 2010: Bust Factors on Defense
[Note: This is an update to a long-running analysis by Blogging The Boys lead writer Rafael Vela, in which he quantified the bust factors for every position picked in the first round of the draft]
After looking at the Bust Factors on Offense, today we look at the bust factors on defense. We maintain the very straightforward criteria we used for labeling someone a bust: If you become a consistent starter on your team, you’re a hit. If not, you’re a bust. For better or for worse, guys who looked promising but don’t start because of injuries are also listed as busts.
Conversely, if you make the Pro Bowl, even once, you are considered a hit, regardless of what came before or after.
Based partly on your feedback, and partly on the traditional 'it-takes-3-years-to-really-know' formula, I have excluded the draft picks from 2008 and 2009 from the analysis. All the numbers below are therefore based on the 314 first round picks (excluding one kicker) over the ten years from 1998-2007, of which 159 were defensive positions.
Looking for safety in defensive draft numbers? Safeties and Linebackers are usually a good bet.
Bust factors on defense
About a quarter of all defensive first round picks ended up as busts. This is a slightly lower rate than for the offensive picks, which came in at 30%. You can't do much wrong picking a safety or a linebacker in the first.
| Bust factors for first round draft picks by position, 1998-2007 | |||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Position | 1st Rd | Top 10 | Busts | Bust % | |||||||
| Defensive Tackles | 29 | 8 | 11 | 38% | |||||||
| Defensive Ends |
42 | 12 | 13 | 31% | |||||||
| Linebackers | 31 | 6 | 4 | 13% | |||||||
| Cornerbacks | 40 | 10 | 12 | 30% | |||||||
| Safeties | 17 | 6 | 2 | 12% | TOTAL DEFENSE |
159 | 42 | 42 | 26% | ||
Hit factors on defense
Again, we use Pro Bowl nominations to determine whether a player is a hit.
| Hit factors for first round draft picks by position, 1998-2007 | |||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Position | 1st Rd | All Pro | Pro Bowl | Pro Bowl % | |||||||
| Defensive Tackles | 29 | 2 | 9 | 31% | |||||||
| Defensive Ends | 42 | 6 | 10 | 24% | |||||||
| Linebackers | 31 | 9 | 14 | 45% | |||||||
| Cornerbacks | 40 | 8 | 13 | 33% | |||||||
| Safeties | 17 | 3 | 5 | 29% | |||||||
| TOTAL DEFENSE |
159 | 28 | 51 |
32% | |||||||
On the hit and bust scale for the first round defensive talent, the hits marginally outweigh the busts 32% to 26%.
A note on the Pro Bowl record for safeties: Troy Polamalu, Roy Williams and Ed Reed have racked up a combined 16 Pro Bowl nominations, leaving very little room for any other first round safety to slip in: Sean Taylor managed it twice in his short career, Brandon Merriweather once so far.
The value of drafting high
The best talent tends to float to the top. This becomes very evident as you look at the hit and bust rates by draft position. The bust rate for a top 10 pick is less than half that of a first rounder drafted from position 20 on down.
Two things are potentially at play here. Firstly, first round graded talent seldom goes up into the high 20s in any draft. Secondly, defensive linemen and cornerbacks are quite often the biggest need positions - teams must have pass rushers and they must have cover men, and teams will start to reach to fill a gap.
| Defensive Hit/Bust Factor by draft position, 1998-2007 | ||
|---|---|---|
| Picks | Hit Factor | Bust Factor |
| 1-10 | 40% | 14% |
| 11-20 | 38% | 25% |
| 21-32 | 19% | 38% |
Franchise rankings
Some franchises draft better than others, no big secret there. In the table below, you can see who has been winning the hit/bust game over the ten years of this analysis.
First round defensive picks by team, 1998-2007 (click column header to sort)
| Team | Picks | Hits | Busts | |
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Cowboys | 8 | 4 | 1 |
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Colts | 3 | 1 | 1 |
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Vikings | 6 | 1 | 3 |
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Cardinals | 4 | 0 | 2 |
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Browns | 3 | 0 | 1 |
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Packers | 7 | 0 | 4 |
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Saints | 3 | 1 | 1 |
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Jets | 6 | 4 | 0 |
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Eagles | 5 | 2 | 1 |
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Seahawks | 5 | 1 | 3 |
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Falcons | 4 | 3 | 0 |
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Ravens | 5 | 4 | 0 |
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Bills | 5 | 2 | 2 |
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Panthers | 7 | 3 | 2 |
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Patriots | 6 | 3 | 1 |
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Giants | 5 | 0 | 1 |
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Steelers | 3 | 2 | 0 |
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Chargers | 5 | 2 | 1 |
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Rams | 8 | 0 | 5 |
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Bengals | 6 | 1 | 1 |
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Broncos | 5 | 2 | 2 |
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Lions | 3 | 0 | 0 |
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Texans | 5 | 1 | 1 |
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Jaguars | 5 | 2 | 0 |
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Chiefs | 3 | 0 | 1 |
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Dolphins | 2 | 0 | 2 |
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49ers | 8 | 2 | 2 |
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Buccaneers | 2 | 0 | 0 |
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Titans | 6 | 3 | 2 |
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Redskins | 5 | 3 | 0 |
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Bears | 3 | 2 | 1 |
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Raiders | 8 | 2 | 1 |
Sifting through the top-tier rubble
Defensive Tackles - A very high percentage of busts: Reggie McGrew, Dimitrius Underwood, Damione Lewis, Ryan Sims and Wendell Bryant, Jimmy Kennedy, William Joseph, Johnathan Sullivan, Marcus Tubbs, John McCargo, Justin Harrell.
Defensive Ends - A relatively high risk pick. Here’s the bust list: Andre Wadsworth, Jason Peter, Lamar King, Courtney Brown, Erik Flowers, Jamal Reynolds, Michael Haynes, Jerome McDougle, Kenichi Udeze, Jason Babin, Erasmus James, Adam Carriker, Jarvis Moss
Linebackers - Another solid position with only four busts: Andy Katzenmoyer, Robert Thomas, David Pollack and our own Bobby Carpenter.
Cornerbacks - Teams have had their fair share of misses on this position: Rashard Anderson, Willie Middlebrooks, Jamar Fletcher, Mike Rumph, Andre Woolfolk, Sammy Davis, Ahmad Carroll, Marlin Jackson, Pacman Jones must be considered a bust at this stage, Kelly Jennings, Jason Allen and Tye Hill.
Safeties - Teams don’t draft them often in the first round, but they pan out most of the time. Antuan Edwards, Derrick Gibson and are the only busts.
... and then there are bust factors that we Cowboys fans don't mind so much ...
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I still don’t really like how you judge busts. If a player suffers a career ending injury I have a hard time placing that player as a bust. Pollack only played 1 full season and wasn’t that bad. I hate judging players based on pro bowl selections. Some 1st round players don’t live up to the hype but also hang around the league for awhile as a average starter or role player. Carpenter is a good example of this. He’s not a great player but he showed improvement this year and played well on passing downs.
Defense is certainly easier to judge busts though. Most of those players high draft picks who gave their team almost nothing. Others its to soon. Players like Carriker and Jackson have only been in the league a couple years.
Yeah but you can only go by the numbers so far
And in all honesty it’s pretty solid, even if you start bringing opinions and what not into it. I feel like I could’ve told you how risky DE and DT picks were just from memory, which is a testament to how true this article is.
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by markdamack on Mar 15, 2010 10:29 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Has anybody heard anything about this Titus Ryan kid
They were talking about him a little over on the borish DMN blog. He’s apparently pretty freking fast, but his NFL experience, or lack there of, could be a big issue. If that works out though, it could be a nice improvement
Michael Irvin to Keyshawn Johnson "I know where me and Rice belong on the top ten receivers of all time list, but who do you have in the bottom 8?"
I would consider any player drafted in the 1st rd who's career is shortened from injuries a bust
It might not be fair and it certainly isn’t a scale on how good they are, it’s just that injuries are factor in the NFL. One can’t predict that, but then we wouldn’t be talking about this if every team hit on 1st rd picks.
Put Chris Long in the bust list
If you can consider Anthony Gonzalez a bust, why not a 2nd overall pick who posts marginal numbers?
by Cowboysaficionado on Mar 15, 2010 10:50 PM CDT reply actions
Chris Long hasn't been that bad.
He hasn’t been dominanting but he’s started every game and had ok numbers. I think year 3 is the big year for most players.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 15, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Neither has been Anthony Gonzalez
But OCC seems to include him every time.
by Cowboysaficionado on Mar 16, 2010 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
He hasn't started nearly enough games
He goes into the bust category due to injury.
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
by APerfectStar on Mar 16, 2010 4:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Gonzalez is no bust...please
and Chris Long hasn’t been playing long enough to thorugh him in that category.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I think if you read the criteria presented at the begining of the Article
Ally ou guys will see why said players are included.
Michael Irvin to Keyshawn Johnson "I know where me and Rice belong on the top ten receivers of all time list, but who do you have in the bottom 8?"
That wasn't meant to sound rude either
Lol my bad
Michael Irvin to Keyshawn Johnson "I know where me and Rice belong on the top ten receivers of all time list, but who do you have in the bottom 8?"
by markdamack on Mar 16, 2010 10:34 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You are such a fng Ohio State homer.
I don’t think gonzalez has met his potential yet, but he hasn’t ever had stats that are better than patrick Craytons, playing in a similar role.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 16, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
HAH
No offense to Romo what so ever, but could you imagine what Crayton could do in an offense ran by Payton Manning. Not to say Crayton is absolutely a beast or anything, but come on…it’s Manning.
Michael Irvin to Keyshawn Johnson "I know where me and Rice belong on the top ten receivers of all time list, but who do you have in the bottom 8?"
I don't even hate Gonzalez but it's not like this huge stretch that he's a bust.
13.2 ypc, 7 tds, and 1240 yards isn’t all worldly in a two year span.
Patrick Crayton whom Boyz has often taken potshots at, averages over MORE than a yard per catch than Gonzalez at 14.7 in his career.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 16, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
actually Crayton wouldn't far any better
If Manning was so God the Colts would have won the SB…that pick six was a thing of beauty.
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Dunno, mna. Gonna have to brush up on my Greek mythology.
I do believe Zeus was the main dude and Poseidon ruled the sea and Hades the underworld.
Zeus was the youngest of the three
and offered each of his older brothers the choice of where to rule. Hades chose the Underworld and the places beneath the earth, Poseidon the Sea, that left Zeus the land and the sky.
Zeus was the ruler of the Gods of Olympus but had no real power over Hades or Poseidon.
If it wasn't for Zeus, the other gods would still be in their father's (a Titan) stomach.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 16, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Remember the Titans
but then Zeus went and whipped some Titan behinds, including that of his own father, Chronos, to himself become the head honcho.
by One.Cool.Customer on Mar 16, 2010 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I hear to raise money
the Greeks are selling the rights to Zeus and the other gods. BTB might be able to score, I don’t know, maybe just a demi-god or something…
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But they write in hieroglyphics.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 17, 2010 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, Chronos...I couldn't remember that old geezer's name.
Didn’t Zeus feed him rocks so he could get his bros and sisters out from his stomach?
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 17, 2010 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Its actually Cronus or Kronos
Chronus was a scholar who is said to be the personification of time. Zeus’ mother Rhea tricked Cronus into swallowing the Omphalus stone thinking it was Zeus. The child was then raised in secret and poisoned his father to free his siblings from Cronus’ stomach.
Long story short, the Cyclopses forged Zeus his mythical thunderbolts and in the following war, Zues and his brothers defeated Cronus and the Titans.
Not to sound nerdy or anything :)
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Mar 17, 2010 7:05 AM CDT up reply actions
That show "Clash of the Gods"
on the History Channel rocks. New episode in 2 weeks!
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 17, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh yes, true.
But I was merely clarifying the man-ness of the three. Though I suppose defeating the previous ruler is a pretty big level of man-ness there.
Can't wait for Clash of the Titans to come out.
April 2nd.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 17, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Next, we will all be busting out our Age of Mythology software.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 17, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Where does Shazam fit into all this?
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
by APerfectStar on Mar 16, 2010 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions
He wasn't born yet until Thor hooked up with Wonder Woman.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 17, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions
I want an invisible jet.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 17, 2010 8:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Get blamed for screwing Manning in a huge playoff game?
Reggie Wayne sure did even though Manning is the one that got his mind read.
Wayne's route wasn't what you'd expect out of a consumate pro...
But Porter played Manning for a fool. Porter was damn determined to jump the route even if Wayne wasn’t so lax on his route.
Yeah...
I think Porter hasn’t been given enough credit.
It was a bad throw and route, but porter read it like a book.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 16, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
umm.. how long has Gonzalez been in the league again??
Dude….you can’t even compare the talent level between the two. Thats not homerism either, just the facts. Gonzo has been injured, but when he has been playing the guy is a stud. Comparing Crayton to Gonzales is just dont right pathetic…
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Yeah
because yard per catch is clearly a statistic that is based on years in the league.
I love how you say “that’s just the facts” but then I actually bring up… ummmm facts, you don’t have anything to say but “that’s just pathetic, clearly one is more talented.”
In 2008 Anthony Gonzalez averaged 11.6 yards per catch in his second year.
Not saying that he won’t get better, but right now his production/injury problems would label him as a bust.
BTW Charles Rogers was more “talented” than Crayton too, but I guess saying that Crayton was a better WR than Charles Rodgers would be “pathetic”.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 16, 2010 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
How can you label a guy a bust when he has only been in the league 3 years....
His rookie year he wasnt even a starter and played one game?
BTW…Charles Rogers was a high draft pick and a immediate starter. Gonzales came in as the 3rd or 4th WR behind Harrison and Wayne.
Way too early my friend to be lableing a player a bust with only 2 full seasons as a starter.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I'm not saying he is or isn't...
but you’re defending him like “that’s ridiculous”. Yards per catch is a statistic that doesn’t mean anything when it comes to playing time.
In 2008 he got over 50 catches and had 11.6 yard per catch which isn’t real good.
BTW, do you just make stuff up? As a rookie he played in 13 games and started 9 because Marvin Harrison was hurt the entire year.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 17, 2010 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions
my bad...I must have had dyslexia...
I read the years in reverse. 2009 he played 1 game…
He had 15.6 YPC 3 TDs in 2007 and 11.6 4TDS in 2008.
JMO, but if Gonzales was our slot player we would see a hell of alot more production from that postion from what we are getting now.
Everyone knows we need an upgrade at that position. If it’s not someone through the draft I really hope Ogletree pushes him out of the 3rd spot because Crayton’s medicore play as a WR and PR is borderline average. If his big mouth would match his play I would have no problem with the player.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I get you with Gonzalez...
but for a third WR… I think Crayton is pretty good.
He’s not a #2 WR that is for sure, but he’s not a bad slot guy at all.
I bet he would be the 3rd WR on 75% of the teams in the NFL right now.
He’d be the second guy on alot of teams.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 18, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't see the problem with Crayton
You might not like him, but it doesn’t mean he’s not a good slot WR. As long as Austin and Witten are putting up numbers like they did this season, I don’t see anyone playing the slot WR position contributing any more than Crayton did.
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
by APerfectStar on Mar 18, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
cornerbacks
were included in the piece
Michael Irvin to Keyshawn Johnson "I know where me and Rice belong on the top ten receivers of all time list, but who do you have in the bottom 8?"
I wouldn't put Ross in a bust category just yet
his 1st year was stellar, his second sub par, and he’s been injury prone since. if we can get a better sample size then that would be better.
Kiwanuka’s been serviceable and probably a starter on many other teams. All pro no, but not a bust.
I have no idea what this post is about
i was good till the end then my mind went blank.
thank you O.C.C.
Safeties are rare first rd busts
That means if Thomas is within reach, we go and get him. With an elite safety, our defense can do some serious damage in 2010.
In Romo we Trust
I think we just pointed out several...
Alot of teams tend not to take safeties with high draft picks for obvious reasons….I don’t think anyone would agree our RW was worth where he was taken in the draft.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
no you didn't, you mentioned Landry and thats it
Nelson wasn’t a bust and Ross is a corner.
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I see Thomas moving up on a lot of boards.
He will go by #16 I think. It would cost a lot to get him.
Thomas isn't going to be anywhere near our reach and Jerry will never move up in the top 20 for a safety...never..
First, it would cost way too much to move up that far. Second, Thomas is gone within the first 15 picks….12 to Miami..
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I disagree
Moving up in the top 20 to secure a game changing safety worked for the Steelers in 2003, so it could work for us too.
In Romo we Trust
In theory yes
but the cap implications of moving down are priobably what would most hold Jerry back.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
But according to what I've read
Jerry and Stephen are managing the team as if the cap were still in place so that decisions made this year don’t impact the club’s competitiveness after next season.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
You have any idea what it would cost to move up 10 to 15 spots? not happening...
we would have to give up multiple high draft picks to get in the top 15.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
just a 2nd rd pick, not too much IMO
we wouldn’t have to give up multiple draft picks, consult your draft value chart.
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Try more than that...
more like our 2nd and 3rd….Jerry would never, ever give up that much for a safety, especially a position like safety.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
There seems to be an error on the picture
When I scrolled over it, it said “medium-large”…
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Ummm.... "Just right" comes to mind
BTW, you OK there in T-Land? Sounds a little unsettled…
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Grant is on the street.
A pretty good safety with the Seahawks was released last night. Nine year pro, but not a big time ballhawk. K.C. and Dallas are said to be looking hard at him. Could be a stop gap solution till a young player get his feet wet.
He is considered a cover two type, if
what I heard on Sirius is correct. That might make him a poor fit for Wade’s scheme.
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NOOOOOOOO
Sorry, not to take this out on you but there isn’t a “4-3 or 3-4” safety. A safety is a safety is safety.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 16, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Um..I know
Didn’t have my sarcasm button pressed hard enough. I was just referring to the dumbest thing I’d heard RW say.
Oooooh good.
The reason I couldn’t tell, is that there are still people who think that safeties just change dramatically in schemes.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 16, 2010 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Safeties do change dramtically in schemes
but the difference isn’t between 3-4 and 4-3, it’s more a question of coverages and the safety’s role.
Yeah I guess I meant...
formations.
There isn’t a safety in the league that won’t have to do SOME type of coverage.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 16, 2010 6:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Dunk are you on facebook?
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 16, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions
No
Is that bad? I feel, I don’t know, judged now. I suppose I could get a facebook account….
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Nah just wondered, would like to talk to you sometime.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 16, 2010 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions
FB is pretty good...
I have Ratliff, Felix and Romo as friends…
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Not Tate?
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Mar 17, 2010 7:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Trust
Man, you really trust all of us by posting your email address like that, Dunk!
Now that’s some Dallas Cowboys Fan-Brotherhood right there!!!
Is playing smart too much to ask?
by silverblue5 on Mar 17, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Holy Wow
That is one hot Dallas Cowboys Cheerleader.
Bust Factor INDEED!
Is playing smart too much to ask?
You got here late
She looked better before Aaron and Aussie slobbered all over the picture.
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What can I say?
I’m uncontrollable.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Mar 17, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions
where's the original :~ )
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by silverblue5 on Mar 17, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Gentlemen prefer brunettes...
…this week, at least.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 17, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
D-Ware
Btw, thanks for posting that vintage pic of D-Ware pummeling McNabb to the turf.
That’s gonna be my new desktop background/wallpaper/screensaver.
Classic.
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