Tuesday's NFL Scouting Combine Open Thread
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 2, 2010 8:00 AM CST
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PrintThe live workouts wrap up this morning on the NFL Network. Today, we will see the defensive backs run their 40s and the various position drills. The Cowboys' scouts could very well be keeping an eye on the safeties.
If you don't have the NFL Network, you can watch the Combine live here or keep up-to-date here in the thread.
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My prediction.....
….pain….
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 8:12 AM CST reply actions
one running back will be gone...
Can’t believe that we will continue to ride with three quality backs when we have other positions that need upgrading… Would hate to see choice go but for the right price….
Phillips also fits more of our mold and has been a becoming a nice compliment to witten… Marty B to the highest bidder please….
by michael83emery on Mar 2, 2010 8:21 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Agreed on MB3....
the problem is his contract. I dont think there are too many teams willing to take on 8 mil a year for basically a goal line RB.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
For the millionth time
MBIII played the entire season (after week 2) injured. HE WAS HURT THE ENTIRE SEASON AND STILL TOUGHED IT OUT. Give this garbage a rest. Dude will be back to punisher form next year and all you idiots will feel dumb for talking down.
Based on last year injured...absolutely not
I’m not trying to justify his contract, I just want people to quit talking about him like hes some bad running back. Next year El Gato will be the feature back and Barber will return to his finisher role where he is obviously most effective. I just can’t wait to see the man running pissed off next year bc of the frustrating year he had this year. Were we right in giving him such a big contract? Probably not but only time will tell. I know no one will care when he’s back to being the punisher that he is when healthy. Sorry to rant but hes one of my favorite players and I can’t stand people bashing a guy that gave his all last year injured. I guarantee next year will be a completely different story.
I've come around on Barber
I always had the impression that he couldn’t break long runs. But in the process of benchmarking this year’s running backs against prior running backs, I went back and looked at his 40 time. When Barber came out he ran a 4.49 at 225 which is actually a very respectable combo (and makes his 4.8 YPA in 06 & 07 more understandable).
Throw in his incredible strength & agility as a blocker and his good hands out of the backfield and I can totally understand why the coaches are high on Marion.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 2, 2010 8:11 PM CST up reply actions
DB Official Bench Press Leaders
Cornerbacks
Wilson, Kyle 25
Jackson, Brian 20
Thomas, Kevin 19
Safeties
Antoine, Lucien 28
Jones, Reshad 24
McCarthy, Kyle 24
Mays, Taylor 24
Chancellor, Kam 22
Rolle, Myron 21
Thomas, Earl 21
Berry, Eric 19
Church, Barry 19
Ward, T.J. 19
Coleman, Kurt 19
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Eric Berry ran an unofficial 4.46 at 211 lbs.
Nate Allen is not participating because of a quad pull.
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Arenas pulled a hammy after running a 4.52.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 2, 2010 8:39 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah...
I’m not real high on Arenas.
I love him as a late round guy because he gives tremendous effort and has a huge heart, but I think he overachieved in college.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 8:48 AM CST up reply actions
You are crazy
Arenas may not have high end speed, but he is oneof the quickest guys in college football. He will be an awesome KR/PR and a solid Dime back Sts gunner. He is also great at blitzing the Qb and is a very strong tackler.
refering t the overachiever part.
he is a 3rd to 4th round pick.
How good are his return skills. The 5th CB shouldnt come from the 3rd.(not that they dont but ideally later.)
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Javier is the NCAA all time leader in PR
Took the record from Wes Welker. He is 2nd all time in PRs for a TD. He is nothing like Skyler Green. Green was not even a great PR.
He is a decent player...
that tries hard but won’t be drafted before the 3rd round probably not before the 4th round.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 1:42 PM CST up reply actions
You know who else was a good punt returner in college.
Skyler Green….
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 1:17 PM CST up reply actions
Yep...
And how good of a pro was he?
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 1:23 PM CST up reply actions
He was fat
guy had weight problems in Dallas, if you can believe it.
I know, I think Saban gave BP some bad advice on the kid.
Im an LSU fan, I thought he was a good pick when they made it. Boy did that get ugly early. I never saw a 4th round pick get so much bad ink.
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I liked him in College....
what do you think about Holliday squid?
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
I bet he runs...
probably like Berry in the 4.45 to 4.5 range.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 8:49 AM CST up reply actions
I think...
he would have to run like a 4.6 to fall to us.
I don’t see that happening though, I think he ran a 4.45 when he was going to texas.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 8:59 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah cause another slow safety is just what we need. maybe we can get him RWs number.
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Terry there is a better chance of Jerry drafting a lineman with the 27th pick then a safety..
and it pains me to say that….
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
true, you do never know, but the more i think about it Jerry is trading out of the 1st...again.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I disagree
There will definitely be a very good prospect at 27, this will be the deepest first rd in over 25 years.
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value is far better in the 2nd round this year
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
all depends if a first rd player is still on the board at 27
IMO there will be and in that case Jerry definitely won’t trade down. He’ll only do that if there aren’t any first rd prospects on the board.
With this being a really deep draft, I’m quite certain there will be.
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there has to be a player that knocks his socks off to do that...
If Jerry can move to the top of the 2nd round by trading his first he will be all over it…Jerry is all about quality and not quality unfortunately when it comes to draft picks
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I hope if he moves up it is not for an undersized S.
Thomas is way to small to hold up against the run and the bigger WRs in the NFL. If he moves up I hope it is for Mike Iupati. That guy solidifies the middle of our OL.
well at this rate
if Tate’s there, I hope Sam Bradford is too, then we can trade w/ St Louis, and take Tate at the top of 2nd, because he’s not looking like a 1st rounder
by AustonianAggie on Mar 2, 2010 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
not sure what you were watching
but all the talk is he had a real good combine…
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I would happily trade back and take Tate at 35 or so.
That would be a good value there.
Not way Tate will be there....
He ran the 4th best of all receivers in the 40 and had a great Combine over all….his stock is on the rise after the weeked and will be a top 20 pick right after Dez….no freaking way this kid makes it past 20..He adds as a returner and a WR capable of starting his first year…
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You won't know what the value is
a. until we know the number of 1st round grades this team hands out and
until the draft starts to unspool and we see who drops.Look, Dallas was at 28 two years ago and got a guy with a top 15 grade when Mike Jenkins fell. They have to move up to 25 to get him, but I think that this year will have a bigger crop of number one grades, but even so, the Cowboys won’t know if they have a chance at first round value until we’re at pick 24 or 25 or so.
by Rafael Vela on Mar 2, 2010 10:38 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
I've found out the last two years
am gonna try again this year.
27th pick draft history
2009 Donald Brown RB IND
2008 Antoine Cason DB SDG
2007 Robert Meachem WR NOR
2006 DeAngelo Williams RB CAR
2005 Roddy White WR ATL
2004 Jason Babin LB HOU
2003 Larry Johnson RB KAN
2002 Mike Rumph DB SFO
2001 Michael Bennett RB MIN
2000 Anthony Becht TE NYJ
1999 Aaron Gibson T DET
1998 Victor Riley T KAN
1997 Rae Carruth WR CAR
1996 John Michels T GNB
1995 Mark Bruener TE PIT
1994 Jeff Burris DB BUF
1993 Todd Kelly LB SFO
1992 John Fina T BUF
1991 Jarrod Bunch FB NYG
1989 Shawn Collins WR ATL
That's good and all...
but that’s kind of hard to compare, considering that this is coming out as one of the deepest drafts of all time.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
It depends on what position were talking about
the value appears to be clearly in the 2nd round….after the first 15 picks the rest are crap shoots…
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Every draft pick is...
essentially a crap shoot!
So you say “the value is in the second round, but after the first 15 the picks are crap shoots.”
Well wouldn’t that make 2nd rounders crap shoots too?
Ugggggggggg beats head against wall
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 10:45 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
your reading too much into it....
There is value in every round….but, if we have the 27th pick, essentially a high second round pick to begin with why not? especially, if he isn’t turned on by anyone sitting around the 27th pick. Where we picking in the second anyway? Im just not sure there will be anyone there at 27th worth picking the reason I think Jerry will try to trade down.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Well maybe not...
but there are more guys this year with 1st round value.
Plus if the second round is soooooo valuable, why would someone want to trade back into the first?
The only way I see that happening is if someone trades up because Clausen falls and they severely want a QB, like a few years ago with Quinn. (Which ironiclly would be two Notre Dame QB’s.)
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
I dont think you will see too many trading up into the first..
unless there is a team that doesnt have a first round pick this year or is really in love with a pick that fell
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Well if there isn't anyone who trades up into the first....
Then how does Jerry trade down?
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
Jerry trades within the first round...
or trade his first rounders for slow WRs… :)
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I get that...
but that’s not what you were saying…
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Just saying I think this could be the year to get that extra 2nd rounder...
If a team is willing to give us the 33rd or 34th pick for the 27th I would be all over it if Jerry doesnt like the players
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Other than two years ago....
for the most part weve been picking 10-20 for some time now
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I disagree Boyz...not this year
I’d say their are 20-25 solid first rd talents this year
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Plus...
you’re going to get someone that overdrafts… probably Oakland or Cincy.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
Here's the crazy thing, Terry
I went back and looked at ’83.
It was much higher valued going in than it turned out to be. Yeah, there were some good players in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, but aside from the monster 1st round, I find it oversold. If you were not the Washington Redskins and especially the Chicago Bears, who got 7 starters out of that draft, it was so-so.
I love how Gil Brandt talks about that draft all the time. He ran Dallas’ draft and got Jim Jeffcoat and nothing else. He passed on Dan Marino in the 1st, even though he had tried unsucessfully to trade up for John Elway. He had Bill Pickel on his short list in the 2nd and took Michael Walter, who Dallas cut before camp was over. (I’m sure the 49ers still send him thank you cards for that one.) He had Charles Mann on his short list and took Bryan Caldwell.
If you claim a draft you helmed was the best ever and you produced only one player of note from it, why are you bragging?
I think ‘05 was just as deep. But then, look at how Dallas cleaned up in that draft. ’89 was pretty damn good too. We’ve already seen three of the top five picks that year — Aikman, Sanders, Derrick Thomas go to Canton, and Deion will be a first ballot guy when he comes up.
the 83 draft could be a little overrated
but you have to admit the 1st rd was pretty impressive
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Why would you say that?
Have you been talking to Stephen and Jerry or something?
If a player that alot of experts, including Mayock, has ranked in his top 15 falls to 27, you think Jerry wouldn’t think about drafting him?
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
dude...Jerry is the king of trading down...dont you know that by now...
The 27th pick is so close to the second round Jerry wont be able to contain himself…If he can trade down 6 or 7 spots he would have two second rounders……the value this year is in the second round, not the first where we are.
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You're telling me....
there is NO value at 27?
Really?
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 9:48 AM CST up reply actions
PLUS
he’s drafted first rounders 4 of the past 5 years.
Even one of the years when he traded away, he traded back into the first round.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 9:53 AM CST up reply actions
I was just busting his chops.
He doesnt hestitate to point out the obvious to me.
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This is true.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
not saying that at all, but if Jerry can pick up a high 2nd round pick the value seems to be higher
That would give us two second rounders….Jerry trades down every year whether its the first or later rounds….its not often he stays put, especailly when we are picking 20 on up….
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
IF we trade back then I want two 2nd round pick and two 3rd round picks this year.
The we can capitalize on deep talent. The 2nd rounder better be early too.
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He states he want him to be slow and then is angry at us because he is slow.
I missed something.
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I get what he's saying...
He thinks Thomas is fast, which he is, but hopes that he has a poor combine that way he slips to Dallas.
I mean that does happen from time to time too.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
All you said is "I hope he is slow."
I understand game speed. Instead of using a 49er use Emmitt. He had game speed as well.
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no, thats not what I said
I said I hope he runs slow, try getting your quotes correct
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could luck on that...and why would we want a slow safety anyway
I would rather draft a lineman at 27 then a safety….
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Thomas isn't slow
Just because you run a slow 40 doesn’t mean you’re slow. Thats why the combine is overrated.
Jerry Rice ran a 4.6 at the combine and I guarantee he never ran anything slower than a 4.3 on the field.
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"Jerry Rice ran a 4.6 at the combine and I guarantee he never ran anything slower than a 4.3 on the field."
Ill take that bet. How much?
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by Michael Cave on Mar 2, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
I'll take some of that...
action. $100 he never ran anything close to a 4.3 his last season in the NFL. I could go as far as to say ever in his life, but let’s limit the scope.
Thats exactly what i was thinking hah
Ill make it 200
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by Michael Cave on Mar 2, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
You all lose
I’ve been watching football for a long time and have never seen anyone run a 40-yard dash.
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been sucked?
I hope you mean suckered bc i dont swing that way but im pretty sure you can find some that do off of Oak Lawn. Good luck!
You can watch game film and get times for a 40. Film is wonderful thing. They also have these awesome things called stopwatches which you can use to time said 40 equivalents.
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by Michael Cave on Mar 2, 2010 12:44 PM CST up reply actions
It's up to Terry to prove it.
Take a 20 yard equivalent and double it and I bet he still doesn’t get there.
it's not up to me to prove it
It’s up to you to disprove it and you can’t because nobody times players during games.
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I agree here...
Coming from someone that played college ball, your 40 time does not reflect actual ‘on the field’ time.. granted, it’s a slight indicator, but shouldn’t affect someone with a bad time…
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CB to FS
Im curious to see how CBs Chris Cook and Myron Lewis look in the coverage drills. Both are over 6ft and 200lbs and may switch to FS in the NFL. The Cowboys have already spoken with Cook about playing FS.
Chris Cook ran a 4.47 and 4.43 unofficially.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 2, 2010 9:14 AM CST up reply actions
Cook has been training as a hybrid.
He is a lot like the guy the Dolphins drafted last years Sean Smith from Utah. I do not think Myron is physical enough fro FS.
If Dallas drafted a player like Dan Williams
a 6’2 329lbs player who looks like a 3-4 NT, could he line up at DE instead?
Problem is we have Jay Ratlif
Besides, Dan Williams has never played 3-4 nose or DE anyway
by AustonianAggie on Mar 2, 2010 9:35 AM CST up reply actions
Ratliff wasnt a NT either...Williams can play NT or DT....there isnt much of a difference and not hard to learn
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well, my question is whether or not he’d make a good, disruptive 3-4 DE
by AustonianAggie on Mar 2, 2010 9:42 AM CST up reply actions
we dont need another Ratliff...we need a big quick wide body that can clog the middle
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I love the idea of looking for a Ratliff clone ..
The value of the space eating NT’s is through the roof right now. I love Chandus’s mock where he looks at Lamarr Houston, a DT at 300 lbs who has tremendous upper body strength, can fight a double team and can work through trash on the inside to get pressure.
I really dont care who at this point, just another impact player to backup Rat...
He doesn’t have to be a Rat clone, but get a big body that can be distruptive…
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
ok, my bad....I was talking about him being a NT....
Williams at DE….probably not, agreed….
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Williams probably wouldn't be good for Wade Phillip's 3-4
Parcells ran a two gap 3-4. That meant that the nose tackle and DEs would play head up on the man they faced and were responsible for controling the gaps to either side of the player. This calls for large physical players.
Phillip doesn’t ask the NT or DEs to play head up on the man they face. Rather they shade or slant to one side. The idea is to give the DL more of an advantage rushing the passer and hence smaller, quicker players who can use the initial advantage of shading their man to get into the backfield. Hence, I don’t think Dallas is looking for the big run stuffer.
In fact, I’ve been thinking more and more that Dallas might pull the trigger if a smaller quick guy, like Everson Griffen, is available. Spears was drafted to play as a 2 gap system and may not be ideally suited to Phillips system.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 2, 2010 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
Dan Williams would be a excellent selection for this team and someone we need...
that said, we dont have a chance of drafting him anyway
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I read where 1/10th of a second in a 40 time can mean 3-5 yards of separation for DBs/WRs.
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That doesn't suprise me.
Of course I wonder how long it takes for them to get that seperation?
One of the reason’s Welker is so good, is because he gets seperation so fast.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 9:50 AM CST up reply actions
well one tenth is the difference
between 4.6 and 4.5
Of course it’s huge. Imagine 4.2 going against 4.4, you’re gonna burn em
by AustonianAggie on Mar 2, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
We're talking in a 40 yard sprint
imagine a WR vs a CB on nothing but a deep post
by AustonianAggie on Mar 2, 2010 11:03 AM CST up reply actions
I was impressed
with the NFL.com in how they had the players shaded on top of each other for the 40 illustration to see the difference, it was pretty cool. And it is a big difference in 10th’s of a seconds.
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I think Joe Haden...
might have hurt his draft stock.
I’m not a big 40 guy, but when you are touted as a 4.3 guy and you run a 4.58-4.6ish… that isn’t good.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 10:34 AM CST reply actions
That's what Pro days are for
He runs 4.4ish there and everybody forgets this.
That’s another reason why the Combine is oversold. It’s the football equivalent of Congressional testimony. If you mess up, you can always re-train for your pro day and “correct the testimony.”
I disagree
Scouts will look at his game film and judge him on that. Combine 40 times are super overrated. If you judge him as a player on that time you’re a fool.
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Heeeeey
I still like him, but there are people who might drop him.
I agree alot with you, but you know that there are GM’s and owners “cough” Al Davis “cough” that put alot of stock in the combine.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
There are a lot of people that become full of themselves come draft time.
Speed for CB is important. Of all positions its probably the most important. DBs who run a 4.4 are CBs ones that run a 4.5 and safety comes up.. The need make up speed on WR who are also speed merchants.
Many overstate the importance of the 40 but to say its not important and then to look over at the 40 track and 100+ stop watches means its important to someone. That ,or our front office is full of casual fans.
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there is a difference between game speed and manufactured speed
I want players who run fast on the field during games, not in shorts from a sprinters start.
Anyone who has played the game knows this to be true.
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I played in college and understand the difference.
It matters, but its a small piece of the puzzle. To a CB and WR it means more than to a guard.
4.4 means a WR is fast but if his 3 cone drill is slow or his first 10 yards of his 40 is slow it means he isnt fast enough.
Bench press means more to a Guard than CB but its important to know both.
I have seen guys who could flat out play in college get time 4.7 or 4.8 and they are done. Go ask him if its important.
If its important enough for them to pull out the stop watches every place they go after having watched 100s of hours of game tape. It must matter some.
and not just to the casual fan either.
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I agree
Malcom Jenkins comes to mind and his lack of speed shows.
Look at top CB’s,95% of them ran good times at the combine
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Our own CB’s ran good times.
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I think this is also a slow track
there seemed to be a big difference in 40 times from the stadium change from ’08 to ’09
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Yeah his stock is falling fast.....
He looks awful
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Wow. Apparently Mays ran a 4.24 on his first run (unofficially).
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People expected him to run well
So what.
Safety is about angles, and turning and going to the ball.
I hope somebody ahead of 27 is foolish enough to look at this time and fall in love.
Could help Dallas get their paws on Thomas.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 2, 2010 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know...
I think that will help Mays, but the biggest knock on him wasn’t his physical skills, but the fact that he didn’t really make that many plays.
I think that perhaps it could give Al Davis an erection but that’s about it.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
Is that still possible? lol
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 2, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
i would jump off my house if we drafted Mays....freaking RW all over again....
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Not remotely
Roy was slow for a safety, Mays would instantly be one of the fastest DBs in the league.
I’m not saying I’d make the pick, but we could do far worse than Taylor Mays at 27.
This is my stance on Mays...
he’s fast but he isn’t that good of a football player.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
agreed...not a playmaker which we need back there
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Ed Dickson can still burn him!
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 2, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
I agree Mays is a tremendous athlete, but a medicore football player.
I really hope we avoid him and Thomas because they both have huge holes in their games.
good football player or not
that is freakish for someone who is 235 pounds. That is just crazy.
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he must have the highest weight/speed score in combine history
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How much have you seen Mays?
DeSean Jackson would have to watch more than the ball with Mays playing center field. The guy was dominant two years ago. He may not get the picks, but WRs play much tighter with him on the field. I wouldn’t mind Jerry drafting a safety at 27, but he should have to trade up to get one.
was probably thinking too much
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 2, 2010 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
not smart enough to
Train harder
by TONYINCC on Mar 2, 2010 11:14 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I wondered that myself. Maybe Samari's?
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 2, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
His Name is Earl
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 2, 2010 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
that 4.2 40 has to be incorrect...
he didnt look that fast
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followed it up with a 4.34
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 2, 2010 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
Yup, Mays.
I’m following a bunch of draft sites on Twitter. They have reps there; plus, the online feed is more up to speed than the TV one.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 2, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
that 4.69 for Rolle...was that his first go or second?
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first, but he should be up again soon
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 2, 2010 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
4.68 on Rolle's 2nd
consistent
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 2, 2010 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
Taylor Mays
if Taylor May’s official time is 4.24 that’s amazing.
Chris Johnson was 200 lbs. Mays is 230.
I’m going with the old ‘freak’ standby. If a guy is a true atheltic freak he warrants special consideration.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 2, 2010 11:31 AM CST reply actions
2 Ints in 3 years
thats amazing under performance
by AustonianAggie on Mar 2, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah....
2 of those years he was surrounded by great defensive players too, so there were plays to be made.
He’s a workout warrior.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not sure you're appreciating how remarkable that really is.
i know the argument. don’t be overly reliant on game tape.
however, if that time holds up, May’s just put up the best size/speed combination in the history of the NFL combine by a wide margin.
I wouldn’t be so quick to dimiss it as meaningless.
The guy is forecast to be a 1st round pick. So he’s expected to be a good pro. The freakish guys do work out some times (Moss, Kearse, CJ).
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 2, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
whoops
meant to write “don’t be overly reliant on combine performance”
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 2, 2010 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not saying it's meaningless...
… but those three freaks you talked about at the bottom… actually did something in college.
I appreciate the fact that he can run really fast, but safety is more about just running fast.
He lacks awareness on field and has ZERO nose for the ball.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
Human error ... He didn't run a 4.24.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 2, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, now they're saying no way he cracked the 4.3s
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 2, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
....
How the hell do you go from 4.24 to not cracking the 4.3’s?
Who the hell is doing the timing this year? Mr. Magoo?
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
Wow. Now, his official time is being called a 4.43.
Mr.Magoo, it is.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 2, 2010 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
David Patterson
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
Moss and Kearse
were highly productive in College
by AustonianAggie on Mar 2, 2010 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
2 comments
1. Taylor May’s has been a very productive college player. You can google it for yourself.
2. I would guard against making judgements based on predetermined ideas. If Taylor May had run a 4.24, that would be relevant information. A 4.24 would have been the fastest time at a much bigger weight … a once in a generation talent. Instead, the most common reaction seemed to be ‘good, hope that dupes someone else into taking him’ rather than maybe its worth reconsidering my opinion of Taylor Mays. I don’t really care, I’m not personally a May advocate, but I’m surprised that when the erronious time was reported people where so quick to dismiss it as unimportant.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 2, 2010 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
were comparing him to Roy Williams S
if memory serves me correct Roy ran 4.53 at the combine and as his career progressed he lost speed, Taylor Mays will need some work but he has more tools to hone and if he`s the pick at 27 I would n`t complain.
It wasn't speed...
it was angles he took.
He never could cover, ever… ever.
He survived on laying the wood and when he stopped doing that and didn’t have Woody beside him, he failed.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
Bet he'd be a beast covering kicks.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 2, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
no doubt his stock just soared, but hopefully Jerry doesnt fall for it
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I like Earl Thomas but I feel like his body is too small even as a free safety. I know he won’t have to come up and make as many plays in the run game as a bob sanders. But, I get the feeling that Thomas would eventually seem to have a glass body like bob sanders.
that is in no way to discredit his ball skills, quickness, and football smarts. but if you can’t get on the field, what is the point?
Who cares?
This opinion
isn’t based on fact. You get the “feeling” that he would have a body of glass? What kind of eval is that?
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by DatNguyenNguyenScenario on Mar 2, 2010 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
INTs do look nice and pop off of the statsheet.
I am sure that eric berry or taylor mays would have more picks if they faced teams that threw the ball 40-50 times per game every week
Who cares?
Taylor Mays plays in the PAC 10
Only the Big 12 throws more. Taylor Mays is an albatross, Dallas would Bobby Carpentering it up if they drafted him. Eric Berry is a top ten pick in most mocks.
by AustonianAggie on Mar 2, 2010 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
I’d probably say that CUSA throws more than the pac 10, but I’ll buy it. I will still stand by my comment of saying that Thomas had more balls thrown his way
Who cares?
I'm going to throw this out there...
there were alot of times teams didn’t throw his way.
Blake Gideon ended up having a career number of picks because teams were always looking out for #12.
His body size is fine, he isn’t Bob Sanders small.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 1:44 PM CST up reply actions
Thats a good point. How much traffic did he see and how many big plays did he give up.
I can live with no picks if hes not getting beat and crushing peeps when given the chance.
He stills cares the crap out of me. Got to be able to change direction quick if your a safety. 230 is mucho weight to be reversing momentum.
The curse of thong lives.
KICK ASS every day!!!
http://walterfootball.com/pro2009tmays.php
Strengths: Extremely rare height and long arms give him the prototype length to deflect passes … Tremendous bulk and strength … Freak of an athlete on film and has the 40 time (sub 4.4) to back it up … Elite measurables and is going to be the talk of the Combine … Prototypical center-fielder displaying elite range … High motor and intensity … Good instincts … Big hitter whom receivers fear going over the middle against … Extremely high upside … Minimal injury history … Strong work ethic.
Weaknesses: Plays with high intensity, but is not much of a playmaker; did not intercept one pass in 2008, and only has four in his career … Drops passes when in position to make plays; very poor ball skills (why he isn’t a receiver being 6’3) … Occasionally takes bad angles to the football relying on pure speed more than proper technique.
Sounds like he could be coached up
I wouldnt mind taking a flier on him and turning Campo loose on him.
Oops
I missed this part. I retract everything
Player Comparison: Ken Hamlin. Like Mays, Hamlin displays great range in pass coverage, but he simply does not come up with as nearly interceptions as he should. Both players have prototypical size for a free safety and play with a mean streak. I cannot think of a more perfect comparison.
.
Comparisons to thong and now Hamlin, his stock is dropping here.
They also posted his 40 time as 4.43.
KICK ASS every day!!!
I watch Arizona Wildcat football
Mays has been the most physical safety in the PAC 10. Mays is like a giant, faster Patric Chung. His run support angles were just fine. When tailbacks reached the second level – Mays would destroy them.
By the way, he’ll probably get that 4.3 at USC’s proday.
How big do you want a safety to be?
Thomas is 5’10, 5’11…195-200 lbs…..Safties are basically CB’s to begin with…The days of the 220 lb safties are becoming a thing of the past…this is a passing league. SS and FS are interchangeable…Hamlim and Sensabaugh are SS’s not FS, especially Hamlin.
This is the reason I mentioned Newman at FS. He is 5’11 190-195. The problem is he cant tackle worth jack…
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But don't let facts get in the way
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
That's why AP runs right through them.
The problem with 200 lbs DBs whether they can tackle or not, is that they have to do play after play, game after game. There may not be room for big slow safeties, there will always be room for big fast ones.
It is based on the fact that S do not go 5'10 190 lbs very often.
Earl Thomas WILL have trouble tackling in the NFL. If you watched the BCSCG, he bounced off of Ingram and Richardson. He will not be able to handle bigger WRS and TEs will kill him.
Yeah...
everyone bounced off of Ingram and Richardson.
That badass defense that Florida supposedly had got ran over by them.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
Well...
his natural playing weithg is probably between 195 and 200, but he’s plenty big enough to last in the NFL.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 5:02 PM CST up reply actions
I like this kid Thomas and think he will make a good FS in this league...
Some you guys are too fixated on the size factor….its overrated especially for a FS in todays NFL…todays safties have to be able to cover WRs off the line of scrimmiage in alot of cases.
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But they still need the bulk to come up into the box and help on run plays
Thomas doesn’t seem undersized to me. He weighs in fairly close to Hamlin, but is at least an inch shorter. He doesn’t look too frail to do the job.
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
by APerfectStar on Mar 3, 2010 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
Sure's he over 200
On Thanksgiving afternoon.
Earl Thomas now weights 208
which is what, one pound less than Ken Hamlin?
Dude never missed a start at Texas.
I’m not worried about his size, but I’m less and less convinced he’s gonna drop.
do you think most NFL teams consider him the 3rd best safety or the 2nd?
by AustonianAggie on Mar 2, 2010 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
Thomas will not maintain that 208.
That was all extra weight he put on for the Combine. Of course he did not miss a start at Texas. He never has to tackle running backs. He just sits back and tackles spread WRs.
That is complete garbage.
You don’t know what he will or won’t maintain. You are just making all this garbage up based on, from what I can tell, no knowledge of college or NFL football.
I’ll pick Mayock’s assessment over some guy who still hasn’t figured out that putting “69” in his name really isn’t that funny.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 1:28 PM CST up reply actions
What is funny to me...
The NFL is now a QB driven passing league. So a safety who did very well in a passing conference like the Big 12 should be coveted, but according to people here he sucks because he was in a passing conference. Makes no sense to me.
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by TexasGarcia37 on Mar 2, 2010 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
Bingo Texas......
Some of you guys sound like you want RW back again….a 6’2 220-225 LB in todays NFL is a in the box saftey which we dont need on this team. Mays is a in the box safety the reason he is being compared to RW.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I want a S that can do both.
I agree that Thomas is the best S against the pass after Berry. I just do not believe he will be physical enough to be successful. He reminds me way to much of Reggie Nelson.
We need someone who is a playmaking ball hawk that can defend against the pass...
thats Earl Thomas, NOT Mays…If we want a LB back there playing safety then Mays is your guy. Thomas is over 210 lbs…thats plenty big enough for a FS.
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Roy Williams (OU)
Am I the only one who thought Roy Williams was awesome his first couple years?
Did Roy have a really strange career? I mean, Dallas drafted him because he was a playmaker, and his first couple years he was. He seemed to have great football instincts … he was always seemed to be around the ball or to be making big hits. And then all the sudden he couldn’t cover anyone.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 3, 2010 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
He was....
He never was a great cover guy but his first realy 3-4 years he was a beast against the run and made WR’s fear about going across the middle.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 3, 2010 5:18 PM CST up reply actions
I agree
The first 3-4 seasons he was an absolute hitting machine. Never much in coverage, though he did manage more INT’s than our current safety’s.
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
by APerfectStar on Mar 3, 2010 10:05 PM CST up reply actions
he did have a knack for making plays
he lost Darren Woodson who did the coverage behind him, and he lost a step cause he was only just barely fast enough to make plays
by AustonianAggie on Mar 4, 2010 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
Mays was never used in the box
He played deep middle. His speed allowed him to close on running plays.
Man I love you internet tough guys.
It is obvious that the guy stacked up for the Combine. If you are to stupid to put 2 and 2 together that is your own problem. As for my football knowledge, Ic ould care less what you think about it. So go back to your moms basement and let the grownups talk.
hmmmm
Did I threaten you? Did I claim toughness?
BTW, I think that most people on here know I’m not a kid.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
They all shift their weight based on what will help them.
He does need more weight to play S. That we can all agree on. Can he keep the weight on is legtimate but his body type doesnt strike me as guy that struggles with that. If he was 180 I might be able to believe it.
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You're talking about...
a difference between 195 and 208, he played between 195-200 in college.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
Ummm, Louis Delmas was 199 at the Senior Bowl last year
Came to Indy at 203. I had some smug guy, who sounds a lot like you, tell me “don’t be fooled by the creatine weight.”
Right. Tom Ciskowski loved the guy. Do did Jim Schwartz.
Delmas had a good ‘09. Not great, but good, which is impressive considering he’s a rookie with Combine weight who played in a small conference.
Who made you the football police? You’re not telling anybody where to go. And I have a hard time considering you a grownup with your tone.
In fact, you sound just like that other guy, who got himself banned. May be time for an ISP check.
High five...
from my basement! Hahaha
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 2:22 PM CST up reply actions
hahaha
When’s Grandma making us some sandwiches?
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Yeah waiving the ban stick around really showed me.
I have done nothing but state my opinion on here. Until I was insulted and responded in kind.
Go right ahead.
So you would ban me because I disagree with you? Because I do not tolerate people that insult me, or because I do not think Earl Thomas is a legitimate 200lber? Sorry if I insulted your boy, but I did not start the insults.
Maybe you were insulted...
because you talk to people in a condescending tone.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
So it is okay for YOU to talk to people like that, but if someone responds they get banned?
Seriously man, I do not go out of my way to talk down to anyone, but I also do not take it from others. This is a forum. It is suppposed to be a sharing of ideas and debate. I am sorry if I debate a little to strongly for some of you. If that is the case fine let me know and I will try to tone down my passion. I do not know any of you any more than you know me. So if you can be civil so can I.
We're all getting bent
Over some kids weight gain. Provided he keeps pounding pizza and cheeseburgers, Thomas will be drafted in the first round.
If he can maintain the 20lbs he added for the COmbine.
Which IMO he can not. That is all I have said. I do not claim fact I state an opinion. I am sorry if I hurt some Longhorn fans feelings, but I call them how I see them.
lol
Must be a typo.. you know damn well you didnt run under 4.20
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Iupati won't be there
because of the run on OTs (and Iupati w/ his arm length might be converted to tackle) someone like Earl Thomas might drop. It’s all about getting the best player available.
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by DatNguyenNguyenScenario on Mar 2, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
It's very hard to say who will or won't be there
Iupati frequently gets mocked to the Steelers at 15, I’ve seen Earl go there too. That doesn’t mean either can’t fall to us. It depends on things Jerry has no influence over – like how many QBs, RBs and TEs get picked before 27.
Another slot could get filled with Mnt Cody’s bench or Golden Tate’s wheels. Even if a top 3 safety doesn’t fall, then it’s far more likely that Iupati will be there. Likewise, there are other long armed monster OL that will be available in the early to mid second. These guys just come with less certainty than the first round talent.
Pipe Dreams
Jerry has NEVER repeat NEVER drafted an Offensive Lineman in the first. Ever. Why would that change now?
I think if Lupati is there and Earl Thomas is not
we’d draft Lupati, even though he’s a guard. He’s bring a lot of power and competition to start immeaditely
by AustonianAggie on Mar 2, 2010 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
If Dallas drafted Lupati
and he started, and we started Free, as well as Brewster at RT, we could have a lot of new faces on OL next year
by AustonianAggie on Mar 2, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe because Jerry watched the Vikings game.
Iupati is the only guy, IMO, that can come in and instantly make this team better.
Because with Iupati on the field ....
Flo would never get hurt or commit a false start, Gurode would call the correct adjustments and Columbo would stonewall Edwards.
I believe Iupati would also be a good pick at 27 but he would not have won that Vikings game.
is there an echo in here...lol
Agreed on that Impatient…
.Lupati is a Guard all the way, maybe a RT at best…he is def not a LT at the next level.
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Official 40-times Leaderboard for DBs
Cornerbacks
Ghee, Brandon 4.45
Cook, Chris 4.46
Owusu-Ansah, Akwasi 4.47
Pender, David 4.47
McCourty, Devin 4.48
Thomas, Kevin 4.48
Jackson, Kareem 4.48
Safeties
Mays, Taylor 4.43
Berry, Eric 4.47
Wright, Major 4.48
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Slow year for corners
not dissing 4.4, but not one 4.3?
by AustonianAggie on Mar 2, 2010 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Not many 4.3 WRs either.
Also remember 40 times do not equal game speed.
while true
there is usually 1 or 2 who run and play at 4.3. It looks like a good year for safeties with 3 being talked about as 1st rounders, and OTs, but no one is going on and on about the CB depth
by AustonianAggie on Mar 2, 2010 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
It's not top heavy, but it's deep
There are a lot of good CB prospects that should be available through the 5th rd.
Some of them are bound to fall.
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
by APerfectStar on Mar 3, 2010 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
Should be. This is a very solid bunch of guys.
There may not be one HOF Cb, but there are a lot of very solid pros in this bunch.
How can the be the best draft in the last 25 years
with no possible HOFers.
I kid. Lets put the anointing oil away.
What I don't understand about Taylor Mays is this regression he underwent.
Last year, had he come out, I think it was pretty well assumed that he would be a top-15 pick. Now all of a sudden, he plays a year in a rebuilding defense and he is considered a borderline first round pick. I guess my question is does anybody think that perhaps his tape is being overanalyzed or that expectations for him to be the next Ronnie Lott last year were a little too high. I haven’t really watched his tape, but it does seem a little like the opinion on him has polarized a little too much (although personally I would really like his weight to be less).
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
I have thought about that....
… but it’s hard to get on board with him when you watch him play.
He doesn’t do anything great, hell even Roy was making plays in college, he was lighting people up across the middle and really intimidating people, but Mays doesn’t do anything great.
If it was just the fact that the draft guys are wishy washy about him, it’s one thing, but the fact that there are GM’s thinking about him as a LB is kind of scary.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 2:32 PM CST up reply actions
Didnt Urlacher play safety in college and go to LB in the pros. He even returned kicks in college.
KICK ASS every day!!!
Yeah....
But he grew like 6 inches in college. Urlacher is a freakish story.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 3:01 PM CST up reply actions
he also played for New Mexico
given his athleticism, his coaches would just move him to any spot, where ever he could just do the most damage
by AustonianAggie on Mar 2, 2010 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
Yup, he was a Lobo
Still hangs around ABQ too.
When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.
True
but I do find it interesting that Mayock still has Mays as his third safety ahead of Chad Jones and Nate Allen (two guys who have gotten much more positive pub than Mays).
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Me too
Maybe not Chad Jones so much, but Nate Allen and Morgan Burnett seem to be better prospects. I don’t know 1/1000th of what guys like Mayock know. But I’d rather not see Mays on the Cowboys next month.
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
by APerfectStar on Mar 3, 2010 10:14 PM CST up reply actions
Chad Jones is another big bodied safety
I don’t know much about him, but he could be a second round bargain version of Mays.
My dream pick is Suh....
but that is nothing more than a dream. HAHA
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
thats an unrealistic dream
as is any top 15 player. However, somebody like Thomas could slide, it’s happened.
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I know....
I want Thomas too, but I can honestly say there are aboue 7-8 guys I would be satisfied with.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 3:26 PM CST up reply actions
I'm thinking more and more it will be a 3-4 DE
seems everyone will be reaching for Tackles,
and the one guard who’s 1st round worthy will be taken in the teens.
The safeties will be picked over,
The WRs are only 2 deep for top end talent
This is a deep DT draft
-all forcing quality DEs down.
by AustonianAggie on Mar 2, 2010 3:46 PM CST up reply actions
I'd be fine with that too.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 2, 2010 3:48 PM CST up reply actions
Suh would be the ultimate dream come true
Suh, Rat and Drago across the front line, ah well, one can dream.
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
by APerfectStar on Mar 3, 2010 10:16 PM CST up reply actions
Stick with Barber
Its way too soon to give up on the Barbarian.
I don't remember that
Chad had first round hype but was he sub 4.3 at the combine?
40 Times
don’t mean much, Felix Jones ran a 4.49(slow for his size) and you will not hear anyone complaining about his speed on the field.
Also, am I over thinking this too much or do we have a weakness at inside linebacker? Our starters are both in their 30s, and the back ups for these guys is an unproven Jason Williams and Bobby Carpenter.
…thus, I would not mind Sean Witherspoon at 27.
Consider me a complainer
I thought Jerry reached with better value – Mendenhall and Mike Jenkins available. I know he’s a the perfect complement. Then if Jerry needed a speedy complement to Barber, why didn’t he draft one – Chris effing Johnson!
At the time I thought the predraft association of Felix with the Cowboys was just a smoke screen. I’m happy he’s turned into a qualtiy RB. I hope he has a big year!
Browsing through this thread
I find it amazing that Cowboys fans still talk about Earl Thomas as if there’s a possibility he will be sitting there at #27.
Are you guys delusional? He’s probably not making it out of the top 20, and sure as hell not making it past Philly at #24.
Safeties fall
There is a real probability, not just possibility.
The same comment you make was said about RB when we eventually took Julius Jones (and had our pick of the lot).
Same for Jenkins in ’08.
Same for Mendenhall. And all those WRs a few years ago.
The fact is some talent will fall. It will not be a LT. It will not be a OLB or DE. It will not be one of the two DTs.
The type of players that fall are G, S, WR, ILB, and RB. We don’t need a RB. We won’t go for a WR (though many would argue we should). GM Jerry’s never drafted an OL. That leaves S & ILB that could very well see some talent fall to us.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Dude, probability is possibility
Plenty of guys had big Combines. Some teams will reach. The Boys will get a quality player at 27, right now I believe it will be Odrick, Pouncy or Tate.
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