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Don't jerk around with overtime format

It ain't broke.  OMG, the winner of the coin flip has a 56% chance to win!!!!  So effing what. 


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Play some friggin' defense. 

Don't make changes to OT in the playoffs that you wouldn't make in the regular season.  The regular season determines the playoffs so the rules should be the same.

If you MUST try to even it out... start by moving OT kick-offs back to the 35 yard-line.  That will result in longer drives and more opportunities for the defense to make a stop.

Try that for a few years.  If that doesn't have a big enough impact, require a touchdown, but I want to keep it sudden death.  There are few experiences in sports fandom more intense than watching NFL team play in sudden death OT.  Mistakes are magnified, as are successes.  Simply put, sudden death is awesome!!!!!

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I really don’t have any big problems with OT except that I think a touchdown should be required to win. I like the idea of if the team that gets the opening possession only gets a FG then the other team should get a possession. There’s quite a few kickers that have the leg to hit from 50+ yards.

I really don’t want to see the college style OT. It’s fun to watch but it belongs on saturdays.

by jack dein on Mar 2, 2010 4:41 PM CST reply actions  

I agree with the last part.

It should be sudden death. The only thing they should change about the OT format is that somebody should have to score. There should be no such thing as a tie in sports. Other than that it’s fine.

Ready for some baseball.

by txhc on Mar 2, 2010 5:08 PM CST reply actions  

And by score I mean a FG, touchdown, safety, whatever.

The game shouldn’t be able to end in a tie, that’s my only problem with it.

Ready for some baseball.

by txhc on Mar 2, 2010 6:04 PM CST up reply actions  

i dont get the detest to win by a fg in OT

Its ok to win by a fg in regulation. Why should it be any different

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on Mar 2, 2010 5:54 PM CST reply actions  

Here Here

I agree, that the OT should be left alone.

The media and a segment of fans want to see it changed; I have not seen any players or owners come out and say that it needs to be changed.

I like the current format because it is an unfavorable position for the teams to enter, the emphasis is to finish the games in regulation; not to extend the playing time. It is supposed to be a risky proposition for either team to take their chances in OT; and any coach that takes the strategy to play for OT instead of the win must fully understand they are at the mercy of a coin-flip.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Mar 2, 2010 6:45 PM CST reply actions  

Actually that is a really good point I never considered
I like the current format because it is an unfavorable position for the teams to enter, the emphasis is to finish the games in regulation

RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.

by aussie_cowboy on Mar 3, 2010 6:08 AM CST up reply actions  

I'll play the loyal opposition.

While the coin flip winner wins 56% of the time, they win on the opening drive about 40% of the time. I don’t think ‘Play some frigging defense’ is much of a response, since the team losing the toss has to play defense and put a drive together to score some points.

I also hate watching a team make a big play in OT and then immediately play for the FG. I think the quality of football on that drive will be better if the team is still trying hard to stick it into the end zone and not settle for the 30 yard line.

Also, the rule change only affects one possession. (And it only affects that possession if it doesn’t end in a TD.) After that point, it’s sudden death. (And ‘sudden death’ will now include a turnover or a failed 4th down conversion.)

by RickT on Mar 2, 2010 11:40 PM CST reply actions  

OT isnt suppose to be fair

Fair is having 60mins to win the game. And like huthut said its a gamble if coaches bank on OT.

Sudden Death is fine
Winning by a fg where its regulation madden or OT is fine

Im sure a defense like the 00 ravens would love to play D first to make them go 3 and out and give there own O better field position.

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on Mar 3, 2010 4:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Fair

I think that’s where we’re going to part company. I don’t think fairness ends at the end of the 4th quarter.

I’m not impressed by the ‘banking on OT’ argument, though. First, because at least one coach isn’t playing for OT and can end up on the short end of the coin, if I can mix a metaphor. Second, if you’re down 3 and you’re on their 30 yard line with :02 to go, I have a hard time saying that sending out the FG team is a bad idea.

And I don’t hate the idea of a team winning on a FG. I just hate the idea of a team winning without having to play D in OT. If they’re not going to have to play D, you can at least expect them to score a TD.

by RickT on Mar 3, 2010 6:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Not weak at all

I seem to recall Green Bay intercepting Matt Hasslebeck and taking it to the house in OT. And if the coin flip winner only wins on the opening drive 40% then there is no reason to change it period.

by HutHut on Mar 3, 2010 8:08 AM CST up reply actions  

I would prefer it if they just played another 15 minute quarter.

by DavidLaFleur on Mar 3, 2010 3:01 AM CST reply actions  

play another 15 min quarter

"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales

by Michael Cave on Mar 3, 2010 3:38 PM CST up reply actions  

5th Quarter

I’d enjoy that, too. But the networks would hate it.

by RickT on Mar 3, 2010 6:15 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the winner of the coin toss wins in excess of 60% of the time, not 56%...

60%+ is a big number. But regardless, I’m a huge fan of the following proposal…

- If the receiving team goes down and scores a TD, game over.
- If the receiving team kicks a FG, the other team gets the ball back and has a chance to go down and score. If they get a TD, game over. If they kick a FG, the game resumes in a sudden-death format.
- If the receiving team doesn’t score at all, the game resumes under the normal sudden-death format.

More strategy, more excitement, no settling for FG’s… Just better.

by JimmyK on Mar 3, 2010 8:50 AM CST reply actions  

I like that a lot...

I assume that if the recieving team scores a field goal, then the other team must at least score a field goal as well; otherwise, game over. For instance, recieving team goes down and scores a field goal, then intercepts the other team… game over.

This builds a lot of strategy, I disagree that teams won’t settle for field goals, as they will definently be very important points.

Unless you are a proponant of winning by six, and the team must score two field goals to win… I don’t like that one very much.

by tyhall on Mar 3, 2010 12:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I disagree that teams won’t settle for field goals, as they will definently be very important points.

Agreed… What I meant by “no settling for FG’s” was that teams wouldn’t be content to just get into field goal range and kick a FG. They’d look to score, and failing that, obviously they’d settle for 3. I was a little unclear.

by JimmyK on Mar 3, 2010 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

So basiclly you could just make it...

the first to at least 4 points

John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 4, 2010 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

BTW...

I wanted to ask you about your stance in the trade Mcnabb, don’t trade Mcnabb thing.

John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 4, 2010 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

There's a host of better options for OT out there

1) Play another 10 or 15-minute quarter. (My preference…closest thing we’d have to basketball and baseball)

2) Require 6 points to win.

3) Keep playing as though it’s the end of the 1st/3rd quarters. Lots of crazy possibilities with this one.

If keeping sudden death, you have more interesting options:

4) Coaches bid on field position. Whoever bids to have their team start farther back gets the ball. Tell me this wouldnt be fascinating.

5) Eliminate field goals altogether.

6) Move the kickoff position.

As it stands, though, it’s basically like a baseball extra innings game that can end after the visiting team plates a run in the top half of the 10th.

And any ideas that OT shouldn’t be ‘fair’ are ludicrous

by U2boy417 on Mar 4, 2010 10:38 AM CST reply actions  

its professional football

why does anything have to be fair. These are grown men who know they have 60mins to win the game. If not its sudden death. They know that going in. Sudden death helps prevent unnecessary injuries also.

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on Mar 4, 2010 6:07 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree completely

OT is not about fair, not one player or owner has complained about the OT format, it is from fans and media who want to see what could have been if both sides had a go. The teams understand the game and that it is not supposed to be fair, it is about reaching a conclusion.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Mar 4, 2010 8:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Its professional football, so it doesnt have to be fair?

What? So should one baseball team only need 3 balls to draw a walk once extra innings hit? Everything about the rules of every sport shows a desire for a level playing field, and then when 2 teams have proven that they’re equal for the day…that level playing field should be wiped away? That makes no sense to me.

by U2boy417 on Mar 5, 2010 9:56 PM CST up reply actions  

thats ok it doesnt have to make sense to you

OT is fine. Players and coaches know what happens in OT. I never heard a coach or player complain about sudden death.

I dont get playing another full qtr. Why so if its tied at the end of that you play another qtr so these guys cant get even more tired and hurt. No way.

What the French?! Toast!

by thebigham on Mar 6, 2010 5:34 AM CST up reply actions  

I have no problem with OT....

but I also wouldn’t mind any alteration in it either.

It’s fair enough to me, I just would love to see what decisons would be made if you did have to score 4 pts. in OT.

I think it would make some interesting coaching scenario’s when a team gets into field goal range but comes up in 4th and inches.

John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 6, 2010 8:34 AM CST up reply actions  

OT Options

I like 4 and 6. Impressed with Scottmaui’s comment below on moving the kickoff spot.

I think 1, 2, and 5 don’t work well because of TV considerations (and #2 could easily lead to a situation where a game ends in an OT tie, 16-13, and that just doesn’t sit well). FGs are a part of football.

I have to think about 3. It would certainly change how the end of the 4th was played, but I’m not sure that it would do it in a good way. It would put a stop to teams taking a knee (when they’ve got the ball deep in their own territory with seconds to go), but it would also take the urgency out of situations where the game is tied with two minutes to go. Think that’s a net minus.

by RickT on Mar 5, 2010 12:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah but there are a lot of other possibilities too

Games aren’t tied all at that often at the end of the fourth quarter.

If you’re down a random number like 1 or 2, nothing really changes.

What if you’re down 3 late? Do you play conservative for a FG knowing that the other team gets the ball next (essentially the equivalent of knowing you’d lose the coin toss), or forsake the FG and go for 6? What if you have a 40-yard FG attempt on 4th and 5? Hope to make the kick and stop the other team, or hope to get the first down? Fascinating stuff.

Regarding your comment that FGs are part of the game…i mean yeah they are…and eliminating them wouldnt be my first choice of OT options (that would be just playing another non-sudden death quarter of some length)…but I’d probably rather see that done than what we currently have.

by U2boy417 on Mar 5, 2010 10:01 PM CST up reply actions  

love this
4) Coaches bid on field position. Whoever bids to have their team start farther back gets the ball. Tell me this wouldnt be fascinating.

that would make for some very interesting decisions and post game questions. let the away coach place the first bid, then give the home coach a chance to beat it in something like 5 yard increments.

by strobman on Mar 9, 2010 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

and obviously give each coach a chance to better (worsen?) field position till one of the coaches stop

by strobman on Mar 9, 2010 4:43 PM CST up reply actions  

If you MUST try to even it out… start by moving OT kick-offs back to the 35 yard-line. That will result in longer drives and more opportunities for the defense to make a stop.

I agree with this. And actually made this argument last year.

Here’s a good discussion of this proposal to have the overtime kickoff from the 35 yard line instead of the 30, with statistics. It is from 2004 so this idea has been around for a while.
http://www.maa.org/mathland/mathtrek_11_08_04.html

A couple basic points:

- Prior to 1994 when the kickoff was moved back 5 yards to the 30, who won the toss did not significantly affect the outcome
- Since 1994, nearly one-third of overtime games have been won on the first possession by the team that received the ball first, and there is a 99.99% statistical certainty that the coin flip has made a difference in the outcome of the game over the last 10 years

So it makes sense to have the OT kickoff only from the 35. If prior to 1994 when the kickoff was at the 35 the impact of the coin toss was not statistically significant, that seems like the most simple, easy solution to the problem.

by scottmaui on Mar 4, 2010 9:45 PM CST reply actions  

I agree, the coin flip is awesome

I think it may make more sense to decide the game a few other ways though, here are some possibilities:

1. Whichever team has the player with the longest last name, that team wins.
2. Whichever team can name the most characters from the Simpsons wins
3. Air guitar competition!
4. Coin flip tournament, best of three coin flips

Any of these would be awesome choices. The more arbitrary we can make the decision on the outcome of a football game, the better. That’s why I love the coin flip. I just watched four whole quarters of football, I don’t want to see a fair conclusion! I want this thing over with! Just flip a coin and decide the outcome. In fact, we should just have a lottery at the beginning of the year to see which team will win the Super Bowl that year. That way we can bypass all that troublesome football and concentrate on what really matters: random chance.

by JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoo on Mar 7, 2010 11:32 AM CST reply actions  

There's Inequality Under The College Rule As Well

Say Team A’s offense goes first and finds itself in a 4th down situation in field goal range. The prudent move would probably be to kick the FG.

When Team B ends up scoring a TD, Team A has wasted its 4th down. Did Team B really outplay Team B?

What if Team A scored a TD? Team B will have a chance to use all four downs to score, instead of wasting a field goal.

So pardon my disposition; why should I listen to a system that never listened to me?

by NICK L on Mar 8, 2010 12:15 PM CST reply actions  

Eliminate the coin flip all together.

Mandate that the visiting team receive the opening kickoff and the home team receives the second half kickoff. For OT, as a reward for overcoming the home field advantage, the visiting team receives the kick off.

by HutHut on Mar 11, 2010 4:28 PM CST reply actions  

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