Cowboys Draft '10, Mock 5.0 -- Trade Down City
I'm going to work scenario one off my trade down chart. The Cowboys cut a deal with the Browns, who have failed to land Sam Bradford and are now trying to move into the late 1st for a signal caller. That, or the Rams have swapped with Cleveland and are now using some of their bounty to get their badly needed QB at pick 27.
Pick 2A (38): Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida.
A bit high? Not really. I think rumors of his big drop are exaggerated. I also doubt he'll be around at 59. The Pats have three 2nd round picks before the Cowboys' 2nd rounder and would snap him up with one of them, if a team like the Steelers doesn't snag him at pick 53.
Pick 2B (59): Vladimir Ducasse, OT, U-Mass
I've seen him in mocks as high as Washington at 36. I don't think he's Mike Shanahan's style of blocker. I can see Washington going OT there if they go QB in the 1st, but they're a more zone blocking team and a Charles Brown or Jason Fox seems more their speed. Ducasse also looks like the type of prospect who will need some time to develop, which could push him later into the 2nd.
Pick 3A (81): Morgan Burnett, FS, Georgia Tech
I can also see a CB here. A lot depends on how much the Cowboys like Alan Ball as a FS prospect. Burnett might require a slight move up, but he's behind Nate Allen on most composite boards and should be in this area of the draft.
Pick 3B (90): Jacoby Ford, WR, Virginia Tech
Ford could be gone by this point but I see him in the 3rd. From what I've heard the WR position shapes up a lot as it did in '08. I don't see more than perhaps two receivers in the 1st round but then see a rush on them in the 2nd. This could push a prospect like Ford to the 3rd. You never know with WRs. Donnie Avery and Eddie Royal looked like mid-pack, 3rd-4th round guys two years ago but their supersonic Combine times had them off the board in the first dozen picks of the 2nd.
4th round: Al Wood, NT/DT, LSU
An active run stuffer with a powerful lower body. Wood gets a lot less press than NT prospects like Terrence Cody and Cam Thomas, but he looks like the type of player who can give Dallas 20 good snaps a week.
6th round: Thad Turner, CB, Ohio
Because you can never have enough corners in the pass-happy NFL.
7th round: Kevin Matthews, C, Texas A&M
A competitor for Cory Proctor.
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This is an excellent draft. The first 4 picks would be solid contributors right off the bat. The ILB pick is perfect and excellent value. Ducasse fits our RT mold and has LT upside. It does not force safety but finds a good one in round 3. NT needs an upgrade and gets one, CB and C are fortified by solid prospects.
I could not disagree with you more.
This draft would set us back worse than last year. Spikes is way to slow to be a quality NFL starter. He was exposed in the SECCG and now we know why. I mean wow there are 5 or 6 OL faster than him. Ducasse is not a OT. He will be an average guard at best. The guy has not lateral agility at all. He was falling all over his feet during the Combine. I do like the Burnett pick, but I think he is gone in the 3rd. Jacoby Fords lack of agility and Quickness makes this way to soon to draft him. He makes way to few plays for his speed because it is all straightline track speed. He is not a true playmaker. IMO this is to early for a DT, especially one from LSU. I would much rather grab a DB or WR here. I think in this scenario take Rodger Saffold OT in the 2A slot, Burnett in the 2B slot and John Jerry OG in the 3A slot. 3B is where we could take an ILB, either Donald Butler from UW or Jamar Chaney from MSU. Both of them have the size, strength and speed to be SILB. 4th round is where I would grab either AJ Jefferson CB Fresno, or Scott Long WR Louisville. Both of these guys are excellent KRs and solid position players. 6ht round I would grab Marshall Newhouse if he is still there. This will allow us to toatally rework our OL depth. I am fine with the Matthews boy in the 7th. I loved his dad and if he is even close to as talented he is worth it.
so my picks
2A Rodger Saffold OT Indiana
2B Morgan Burnett S GTech
3A John Jerry OG Ole Miss
3B Jamar Chaney SILB MSU
4th A.J Jefferson CB Fresno State
6th Marshall Newhouse OG TCU
7th Kevin Matthews C Texas A&M
I really like your first three picks.
After that, I would look to get the best WR/playmaker in that second third round spot whether it is a guy like Mardy Gilyard or Taylor Price (although Price may very well be gone). In that fourth round, I would look to grab Micah Johnson from Kentucky to be the heir apparent to Bradie James. In the sixth I would look for a DE/DT like Corey Peters from Kentucky who is 6’3" . Finally, in the seventh I would try to get Walter McFadden from Auburn to give us another corner with some real cover ability.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 21, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
*Corey Peters from Kentucky who is 6'3", 300 lbs.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 21, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd be happy with this draft, but
2a Pouncey – Saffold would be a reach at the top of the 2nd Pouncey plays C/G
2b Cook – The Cowboys are talking to Chris Cook about a switch to FS. Faster and better coverage
3a Veldheer – Bigger, faster, stronger than Saffold; small college concerns
3b Perrish Cox – Fast cover corner; never too many CBs
4th Chaney – Replace Brooking eventually
6th Gettis – Big, fast WR
7th Tony Washington – OT prospect that did very well at the combine, but has character issues
Hmmm....I liked a lot of those picks Raf, however, I'd still like to see
the Boys take a chance on Nate Allen with their no. 27, he’d complement his fellow S.Fla. alumni, Jenkins, and shore up our safety depth. Providing all the 1st rd grade OL are gone, of course.
I'd have no problem with Nate Allen
if the Boys could trade back 8 to 10 spots and get him in the early to mid 2nd. Dallas should be able to get maybe a teams 2nd, 3rd and 5th. This draft seems to be very deep. I think Dallas can help themselfs a lot in the middle rounds.
I dont see any way we taking a CB in the first round...Maybe 3rd or 4th round
There is no reason for it at this point in time…next year maybe
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Can't have too many good CBs.
If the Boys have him as the best player at their pick, then take him. Better to draft the best player than to draft for need IMO.
He wont be rated higher than Dez, Tate or Pouncey
Im not a fan of Nate Allen to begin with. He would be a reach at 27.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I agree with you on Nate Allen.
Brandon Spikes has character issue’s. He may also be more of an outside LB than an inside LB.
OLB? Character issues? Nate Allen in the first?
Ok,
I’ll admit, it felt great to see Raf pick my pet cat Morgan Burnett and I love this mock, but your reasons for hating on Spikes and wanting Nate Allen are flawed.
Allen is a reach at 27. He is a steady player, but has at no times been shown to be a playmaker. Nine interceptions in three years at SF is just not worth first round money. Plus DB’s have had a history of the second round being virtually as strong as the first round – the total opposite of the QB position. I fell into the same trap, but no way is Allen a first round pick.
How is Spikes Not the Prototypical 3-4 ilb thumper? And he has 4 pick sixes in the past two years?
Sure he might be able to swap with Ware or Spencer in some sort of disguise package, but he is an Inside LB.
What character issues? Eye gouging? Have you ever played football? Or any full contact sport? Stuff happens in piles buddy, it just does.
wow...you sure got your panties in a knot
I don’t think Nate Allen is that big a reach in the 1st. Maybe we get lucky and Earl Thomas falls. It would not hurt my feelings if they get Kyle Wilson. But not everyone agrees with you on Brandon. He is one scouting report that supports my argument.
“Right now on the field it looks to me like Brandon is slow to react to plays, but because of his speed and quickness, he is able to recover. At the next level, this will be a big problem. With all the time playing MLB, he still takes bad angles, runs himself out of plays and prefers not to take on a block because he would rather make the big play. For me, character is still an issue. I’m not fooled by the “asking for a bigger suspension” thing. Brandon obviously has street smarts and is smart enough to know how to market himself to the NFL. It’s a good way to suggest to people (who question his character) that he has turned the page. Personally, I’m not fooled. "
I think the need at safety is greater than the need at ILM and Allen will get on the field quicker. Didn’t we draft a bunch of LB last year?
Who says
Spikes is slow to react to plays, he is the only person to ever say that, every other scout out there says Spikes has THE BEST anticipation for an LB in the whole draft, and will play faster than he times because of that. Wow whoever wrote that whole thing on Spikes has him different than every other scout out there that I’ve read, that he is excellent taking on blocks, an on-field leader, very football intelligent, has a passion for the game.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 20, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Funny Bama specifically picked on him in the SECCG.
Spikes can be forced into coverage and when that happens he is dead. He does a good job recognizing plays, but with the speed of the NFL I seriously doubt he will be a playmaker.
He's definitly going to be a 2 down player.
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 21, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly!
That is why I would rather draft Jamar Chaney in the 3rd round. He can be a 3 down player.
I'm a boxer man, with the occasional tighty whitey
but no panties.
I just think you are way off on Spikes, and Allen just doesn’t jump off the screen when I watch him play.
and how the hell do you think Spikes got the four pick sixes?
Laterals?
lol
Allen doesn’t jump off the screen for me either, I still think Burnett is overall a better safety than he is, and if nothing else production shows that he is.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 20, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Check out this link
Is this the same Spikes that couldn't break a 5.0 40 on his pro day recently?
Sounds like he is slipping.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Using MBIII or Bennett as tradebait, I think this team could improve MOST by trading up and landing a solid OT prospect.
I just don’t see another area on this team that is nearly as important. But if we do trade back, I hope we decide to go with quantity … again… on the O-Line. Shot-gun style drafting of 3 OLinemen, knowing that maybe only 2 make the final cut… but that would hopefully be 2 solid additions to the ONLY area of dire need on this team.
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
I honestly have no idea, but 4th sounds awefully weak ... even with RBs a dime a dozen
… and what about Bennett? His trade value must be at least a 3rd, no?
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Supposedly they turned down a first round pick a year ago, I doubt Jerry will sell low on such a dynamic talent.
2nd round
As much as he loves him, I have a hard time thinking that Jerruh would refuse a 1st rounder.
by Cowboysaficionado on Mar 20, 2010 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions
i'm with you
i think with should go with quality instead quantity, so trading up would be a good idea and i think MBIII should stay but however he’s got trade value, and it’s better than a 4rounder, if we trade someone i would like to suggest this guys:
Ken Hamlin (third or fourth)
Bobby Carpenter (maybe a fourth or third round)
One of our DE’s (if Spears a second)
Marc Colombo (take a fourth)
so if jerry do something like this he would collect picks which later could gonna use on trades, maybe he could giveup the 27 and 59 picks for a top 15, for huy like anthony davis or the 27 and the third round pick for a top 20, this would be easier knowing he has later pick to use in development and backup guys
Need two to tango
who is giving up all those picks for the Cowboys second tier and disappointing players.
a lot of teams could do that
just ask the seahawks giving up a second rounder for an unknow player.. Charlie who…?
Parcell could give up a low round for his guy Bobby…
Charlie Whitehurst is a QB
Smart guy can make all the throws. Worth a flyer for a young QB who might be a starter.
He has value, Bobbie Carpenter, not so much.
but its a premium position
remember Chicago gave up 2 1st rounders and a 3rd for Jay Cutler
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 20, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
he has potential, like Matt Moore did when the Cowboys lost him off the practice squad for nothing
Moore is now a starter and took Delhomme’s job.
Whitehursts dad was a QB – although pedigree didn’t really help Bobbie Carpenter – he is smart and has been taught by Norv Turner who did ok with a few QB’s in the past so I hear.
The SD GM said the distance between Volek and Whitehurst was quite small.
Seattle last did the same thing with a guy who had zero stats playing behind a stud QB – Brett Favre – named Matt Hassleback and that worked pretty good.
the diference between Charlie and Cutler
is well… cutler had a pro bowl season in denver and with Matt Moore is the fact Carolina didn’t give up any draft selection for him, but well i understand your point regarding Favre and actually almost the same thing happened with Matt Schaub, but i stand on my point he’s unproven and he was a third QB, i think there’s a reason why the chargers staff didn’t promote him over Bolek
Yeah Voleks contract!
Truthfully,
The comparison with Moore is probably the closest. Moore was third string, but the team tried to hide him on the pr. That 2007 team had the established started and the wily veteran to back him up in Romo and Brad Johnston. SD has Rivers and Volek, same situation. You wouldn’t want to have no veteran behind your starter, unless your starter is a 1999 Brett Favre.
MB3's trade value is minimal. He has been banged up two years in a row, and his contract is huge
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
that's why i'm saying he should stay
i just pointed tha’s his value is more than a fifht rounder, actually i think he will rebound this year and well the next offseason will be the perfect time for a trade for him
Only Marc Colombo
might get the Cowboys what you are suggesting. Case in point: the tender on Spears is a second, with no offers thus far. If a team can get him for a second, plus a contract offer that the Cowboys would have to match, why hasn’t Spears even visited anyone?
These guys simply aren’t worth what a lot of fans think they are. But in the case of Colombo, let’s not ship him off until we have a replacement. We aren’t going to get that replacement, right away, with a fourth rounder.
Unlike a Cowboys' season, in life, there may not be a next year.
those late picks
would be used in order to make easier tgive up the first and second or third or whatever it takes to trade up for i top four OT, so i think that would be enough as replacement for Colombo, for example trade the first and third to select in the 16-22 range, maybe some Trent Williams or Anthony Davis will be available, so jerry take one of those, we have Colombo’s replacement and without remorse for losing the third since we have an extra fourth round to pick some backup/project player
Spears tender is a 1st
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
by APerfectStar on Mar 21, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought OL was the biggest need last year
Center in particular. After the Minnesota game it is clear that OL still is the biggest need.
I certainly agree that OL is the biggest need
But I disagree that Center is the biggest problem. Gurode was selected for the pro bowl this year, but didn’t play because of injury. That injury did slow him down during the latter part of the year, and he has now had surgery—successfully I understand.
Unlike a Cowboys' season, in life, there may not be a next year.
more speed...
our OLB will be in attack mode so i would prefer we pick a ILB with more speed, that 5.0-5.10 (40) scare me to death knowing he is going to cover backs that run in 4.4 and TE that run in the 4.6. total mismatch…
It's not speed, it's instincts
Our current ILBs all had good stopwatch speed as draftees.
How do they cover?
by Rafael Vela on Mar 20, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
How about a fast LB with good instincts? It is not an either/or proposition
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Fast LB with good instincts?
The team didn’t draft Ray Lewis.
Raf
A little of topic here, but do you think the Cowboys have any chance of losing one of the second round tenders to get the extra pick needed to move up any? Also what do you think of Jordan Shipley as the slot receiver.
he has said no
To shipley like 50 times.
by TONYINCC on Mar 20, 2010 12:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't understand the man-love for Shipley...
I will admit that I didn’t see him play much this year, and he did have a monster NC game, but the thing that stood out most to me were his 3 drops of perfect or very catchable balls in the NC game. I can drop passes. I want someone who can catch them.
He has great hands
He will be a Wes Welker. Crayton is advertised as the best hands of all Cowboy receivers. Jordon Shipley has better hands than Crayton.
Anyone that could give us an upgrade over Crayton Im a fan of..
It’s no secret we want a slot WR. Shipley has great hands and very quick.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
You probably saw his only drops all year.
Unlike a Cowboys' season, in life, there may not be a next year.
What about Washington out of TCU?
Should be there at 59 and is fast 4.66 40, 6’3’ 235 LBS. Could play at 240 to 250 LBS. He seems to have a lot of upside.
i think instincts can be taught in the NFL
with hard work, determination, and good film study..SPEED, either you have it or you don’t have it
They all cover better than Spikes!
Heck Spears covers better than Spikes.
.....
I doubt it.
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 21, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions
What about JJ's comments
that he will stay put at 27? Or is that BS?
by Cowboysaficionado on Mar 20, 2010 12:46 PM CDT reply actions
everything from everybody is smoke at this time of the year
Look, I’m going through permutations.
If x happens, then what?
if y happens, then what?
and so on.
Trade down is always an option. What might it look like?
if pick 27 offers the Cowboys only 2nd round grades at positions of interest, then trading down seems wise
I’m all for getting extra picks in a deep draft … I’m just hoping we spend a few of them (2-3 w/in the top 4 rounds) on the O-Line
Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
We have four picks in four rounds now
We don’t need to trade out of the first to do what you are suggesting. I would love to have two of the first three going for a tackle and a guard and the other going for a cover safety. Give me that, and I couldn’t care less what JJ does the rest of the way. But please, please, please, let’s not have a replay of last year.
Unlike a Cowboys' season, in life, there may not be a next year.
Can Someone Please Explaine?
In a normal draft year there are 1st round grades placed on 22, 23 players (or thereabout) Isn’t is quite possible that with the great influx of underclassmen jumping in this year that there could easily be 1st round grades on 30 or more prospects. And doesn’t that translate to more prospects with second and third round grades and so forth?
Everything I’ve read is that this could be the deepest draft since 1983 which leads me to think the Boys should easily have access to a 1st round talent when 27 comes around.
Anyone care to help me out with my thought process? Is there a website somewhere that sets a draft board like the pros do and rates the talent according to 1st, 2nd, etc. round talents?
If this draft is so deep I’d be tempted to trade future picks to move up in the mid rounds of this one.
by Jaymanburlington on Mar 20, 2010 12:59 PM CDT reply actions
The Cowboys have 23 players as 1st round value
or so it’s been reported. There are more and better 2nd tier players in this draft and that’s what makes it such a good draft on paper. Anyway that’s the way I understand it.
Here's where you fell for the great NFL Draft hype machine
there are no more underclassmen this year than in some of the previous years. Here are the figures since ’05
2005: 53, 2006: 48, 2007: 40, 2008: 54, 2009: 46, 2010: 53
Here are some draft boards you could check out: Scott Wright, Wes Bunting, Scout Inc., and draftinsider.
… And DIRE WOLF just beat me to the rest of my reply :-)
by One.Cool.Customer on Mar 20, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I like this setup,
But I feel like we could get Pouncey at 27 and then Ducasse at 59 and that alone would make for a great draft in my eyes.
Ducasse will not be there at 59...
I’m not even sure Pouncey has a first round grade, but I would still draft him at 27. If Bruce Campbell is there at 27, I would consider him too.
I would then trade my 3rd round pick to move up and get Ducasse. They would provide immediate depth and both could be eventual starters. With the 4th, 6th and 7th, I would get the best available players.
by beautifultyrant on Mar 20, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Raf, if indeed Ducasse is tied for 5th among the OT ratings with Charles Brown...
Why would it make sense, with so many teams angling for an OT, to expect to see him there at #57?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
sorry, I meant #59
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I don't see him as the 5th guy
Collating things I see:
Okung,
Bulaga
Williams
Davis
Campbell
Brown
I see Ducasse as maybe the 7th guy, depending on where teams have Fox rated. He could be 8th.
some teams might like Saffold better,
Ducasse could be the 8th or 9th OT
I still think he is made out to be a guard instead of a tackle.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 20, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions
How many times have you seen him play, or are you riffing off somebody else's report?
None of us have seen 5% of these guys play.
I am going based off of what I have read
and reports on how he performed at the senior bowl. So I suppose that is essentially riffing off other reports because like you said, I haven’t seen him in person.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 20, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Isn't everyone?
You either check out the internet highlight reels, read the sites, buy the mags or some combo of the above…
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I kind of figured that as well.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 20, 2010 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I have not found a single site that still refers to DUcasse as an OT after the Combine.
He did so poorly in all of the drills except Bench Press. He was clumsy and showed very slow feet. Mayock, Billick, et al from the NFL have said he is a pure OG at best. IMO he is the most over-hyped OL in this draft and I really hope we do not draft him.
Okay
So 2008 had similar OT depth in the draft with Long, Clady, Williams, Cherilus and Otah as the top guys and a drop-off after that. All went in the top 19 picks. Sam Baker went at 21 and Duane Brown at 26. That’s 7 going in the first 26 picks.
Guess who went at #59?
The 8th OT, Mike Pollak to Indy. So that supports your notion about Ducasse or whoever that OT who is in that area of ranking if things follow suit.
What I don’t know, and might need an OCC to go figure out from raiding other SB NAtion sites is the top three perceived needs for each team drafting before #27. Then you might have a more educated guess around whether Dallas will have a shot at a guy like Trent Williams in round 1 or have to wait until round 2 to look at a Jered Veldheer.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Yeah...
It will also be interesting to see the top of the draft especially because if teams like Washington, Seattle, and/or Buffalo manage to ignore their OT spot in the first, you can almost be sure they will be waiting at the top of the second or possibly trade back into the first to grab a tackle. That will have a huge effect on what type of value is there at #27 versus #59.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 20, 2010 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep...
The next OT didn’t go until the third round if I remember correctly (I was looking at that draft a few weeks ago).
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 21, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I really like Jared Veldheer
and Tony Washington, as well. Veldheer, coming from Hillsdale (where in the world is that?) he is probably not quite ready to start in the NFL, but his highlight reels look super. Same thing with Washington. Just my opinion—we all have at least one, right?
Unlike a Cowboys' season, in life, there may not be a next year.
Brown, at 296 pounds, may only appeal to a small number of teams (zone/cut blocking)
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
could live with this one but...
man I hate trading down; seems like when we do we get the Sherman Williams and Dwayne Goodriches; but since this is just mental masturbation anyway:
Spikes should be there at 38; gives us an active presence in the middle and insurance.
would prefer Saffold at 59 since he’s a better LT prospect even though his arms are an inch shorter than Vlads.
Doubt Burnett will be there at 81 as he’s projected as a solid 2 especially with a 4.4 on his pro day; if not go with Reshad Jones of Georgia;
love Ford at 90; sub 4.3 guys are rare; hope he’s still there;
big reach for Wood; see him as a 6-7 round guy. If we go with a NT in round 4 suggest Ross out of E. Carolina; pure NT
not seeing Turner listed in the top 50 CBs so would suggest Burney from CO; sub 4.4 at his pro day and solid at 5’10" 200 lbs.
like Matthews in round 7; if for no other reason he’s got the pedigree.
"What we've got here is failure to communicate"
why do you think Saffold is a better LT prospect?
He’s not as good run blocking;
Good DEs ate him up last year. Yeah, he looked good in the East-West, but was there a DE as good as Graham there? Graham destroyed Saffold.
How are you so sure on "reaches" in middle rounds?
Do you have access to any team boards?
This is the part of the process that always makes me chuckle. People come in with ironclad certainty that a guy you put in the 4th has a 6th round grade.
Based on what? Guys with real high grades from real team boards fall every year.
Marion Barber was a 2 and fell to the 4;
Jason Witten had one of the last 1s, highest 2s and fell to the top of the 3rd round;
Tony Romo had a 5th round grade and wasn’t drafted.
I’m not doing the drafting, so suggesting players to me doesn’t matter.
testy today?
based on my research Wood is projecting as a late 2nd day guy or maybe even a FA; rated around 30 for DT.
"What we've got here is failure to communicate"
fair comment but...
I have Saffold as the 7th best and Vlad as 8th best OT.
Saffold has better athleticism than Vlad, played LT for over 3 years in Big 10 competition, was 2nd team all big 10; Despite his shorter arms see him as a better LT prospect.
see Vlad as a better RT prospect due to his size; plus he played at UMASS versus major college and had about half the starts as Saffold
"What we've got here is failure to communicate"
Saffold has much better feet and is not as raw.
He needs to build some more functional strength and that is a lot easier than teaching someone how to pay the position. Also run blocking is easier to teach than pass blocking. Saffold has the feet and skill set to be a good NFL tackle.
I like it
a lot, but would like it better with Nate Allen instead of Spikes and possibly an ILB in the 3rd if the value is there. Still hoping to take Pouncey though. I’d feel a lot better about waiting so long for an interior if we knew what we had in Brewster.
by Satch30 on Mar 20, 2010 3:46 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Oof
I’ve got a bad feeling about Brandon Spikes. I understand all that’s been said about his instincts, awareness, and knowledge, but can he overcome the crippling lack of speed when faced with NFL talent?
I look at Brandon Spikes, and I see current-day Takeo Spikes being abused in coverage over and over again. I hope I’m wrong; I’ve seen the guy and love his style of play. But that’s the impression I got.
Halleluja! Amen, Brother! Can I get a witness?!
Only took you 5 mocks to get it right, but better late than never. [Full disclosure, I kina liked your Mock 1.0]
I’ll take this draft and not look back.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
One change, though
As much as I like Jacoby Ford, I’d rather have JD Walton in his spot and a WR on down.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
I am not a huge fan.
I don’t like the first two picks. I don’t want to see the Cowboys go LB with our first pick in this draft since that is supposedly what last draft was for. If the Cowboys really need a LB behind Bradie James, I would much rather they wait until the third or fourth round and go for someone like Micah Johnson. rather try to get a safety like Nate Allen or go for a WR that can make plays. We could also use that pick to get maybe a falling offensive lineman since I find it very unlikely that a guy like Ducasse will go until #59.
Speaking of Ducasse, I think it is important to note that his career path is likely that of a guard. That doesn’t bother me terribly since we need a good interior lineman just as well, but I don’t really see him as a tackle.
As for the rest of the draft, I am pretty okay with the picks considering I particularly love Morgan Burnett (although I think he is a second round safety for sure) and Jacoby Ford, but that start to the draft just is not very appealing.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
isnt it amazing that a
Guy like ford with that much speed, can be as slow as lineman in a 3 cone drill, if people want to be hard on spikes for his 40, then people should be hard on ford for his 3 cone drill. He was absolutely miserable.
by TONYINCC on Mar 20, 2010 4:51 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
That is actually a decent point.
I do think he is much more of a straight-ahead speed guy. Anyone expecting him to be Wes Welker or Desean Jackson with that lateral agility will probably be disappointed. I still think though that he can be a great deep threat with that speed and stretch defenses. He also has experience returning punts, and I think his pure speed will definitely improve us in that area.
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by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 20, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Hear, hear!
I move to make Cowboyfan729 my co-chair in the Jacoby Ford fan club.
by One.Cool.Customer on Mar 20, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Heck yeah I am.
I freaking love me some Morgan Burnett. I like Jacoby Ford too, but that guy is from Clemson and unfortunately he hurt my Jackets pretty bad in their first game this year. Burnett on the other hand was probably my favorite defensive player for GT due in large part to that TD return against UGA last year. Its too bad Burnett and Derrick Morgan never really had any other complementary players this year to allow them to shine even brighter (Morgan would have had even more sacks if he wasn’t getting double teamed the entire game).
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 21, 2010 1:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Then why was Ford such a bad college KR?
Speed is great, but Ford is not a good KR. If someone could not do the job against college talent why will they suddenly be good at it in the NFL?
Well he averaged 24 yards per return with a TD
while Spiller at Clemson (widely considered to be a good KR) only averaged about three more yards per return. I am not sure where you are judging that he is a bad returner. Hell, Ford’s numbers are right about in line with Javier Arenas (another good KR). I am not quite sure where you are judging that he is a bad kick returner.
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by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 21, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
*My bad on the repeating sentence.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 21, 2010 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Ford was inline with Arenas?
Javier was 8th in the country with a 29 yard per return average.
Ford had 9 KR for 179 yards that is just under 20 yards a return.
PR
JA 9.3
Ford 7.9
No one really punted to Javy this season so his avg is much lower than the last 2 seasons.
I compared career averages.
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by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 22, 2010 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions
and I used purely kick return averages
since I thought that is what you were referring to
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by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 22, 2010 1:37 AM CDT up reply actions
When discussing punt returns
I definitely concede that Javy is the better returner since he did in fact have almost a 4 yard advantage in punt return average.
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by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 22, 2010 1:41 AM CDT up reply actions
And once again I used career averages
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 22, 2010 1:43 AM CDT up reply actions
OK! I just did last year.
I really focused on last year because it was really the first year Bama had a decent STs coach. His KR really improved this season. I guess I am just so down on Ford because of his awful lateral agility.
I agree that his lateral agility
is not that of a guy who is going to excel at juking a ton of defenders out and taking the ball to the house like a Desean Jackson might. I just think he is a worthwhile pick in the middle rounds since his explosiveness combined with his general grasp of route running (which is pretty advanced compared to most track guys) will allow him to be a great deep threat who is always closing the cushion between the defender and himself. I also think that he could stand to help us on kick returns and at least give us someone to compete with Crayton for the PR job.
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by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 22, 2010 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Punt returners
need lateral agility, but KR, he would be awesome, maybe a end around as well
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 20, 2010 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I am not saying he has none.
I do think he has some and it is probably good enough to mix with his speed so as to make him a good punt returner (since that speed lets him get up the field so fast). I am just saying that I am not sure that he is a Wes Welker type with that extra level of shiftiness.
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by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 20, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I gotcha
I personally don’t see Ford as a PR tho, IMO right now he would be a very good 4th WR w/ some personal plays sprinkled in for him (think of Tree in the 2nd Philly game) and will immediately make our Avg. KR probably 3-4 yards higher w/ the potential for even more gain
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 20, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I see him as a punt returner
because I think his ability to get up the field so fast will allow him to put less of a burden on our blockers (as far as how long they must hold their blocks) and actually get a few yards added on speed alone. Plus, I think he is fast and small enough to make him a hard to hit target for gunners.
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by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 20, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Negative
If a CB knows a guy has to slow down to make cuts, it is MUCH easier for the CB to use the cushion to their advantage in order to make plays on the ball.
No WR who needs to gear down significantly to cut is ever worth their salt.
If they were, then Todd Lowber would be an All-Pro.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
First of all, Ford is a much more refined receiver than any Todd Lowber-type.
His work at the senior bowl and performance at Clemson speaks to that. His hands are better and he has a much better sense of route running than any track guy that just plays football in his free time. This will help him immensely with “gearing down” and allow him to be much more successful than Todd-Lowber types. All I was saying is that I don’t think he has that extra level of shiftiness like a Desean Jackson or a Dante Hall that can jump-cut at an extremely great level and allow them to be untouchable out of the slot. I think Jacoby Ford is much more like a Mike Wallace in the sense that he can be a pure deep threat (Jacoby’s 3 cone drill according to NFL draft scout was only .10 seconds behind Wallace’s).
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by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 20, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Just a different option
instead of Al Woods I would rather go for Linval Joseph. He is bigger and has major upside.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 20, 2010 5:58 PM CDT reply actions
Jacoby Ford is going to the Raiders
Didn’t you see his 40 time?
"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson
by BoyfromOz on Mar 20, 2010 6:12 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Brandon Siler (Florida MLB drafted by the Chargers)
was supposed to be in the 2nd-3rd range and fell all the way to the 7th. It’s not inconceivable for something similar to happen with Spikes, especially since Siler actually had good combine numbers.
That said, I would prefer to take someone like Tyson Alualu with our 1st pick in this scenario and hope Spikes falls to the 3rd or 4th.
+1
I’m a big fan of Alualu.
122 tackles, 13.5 sacks and 21 tackles for loss the last two years playing in Cal’s 3-4 defense. May be a little shorter than ideal (6’3, 33" arms), but he makes up for it with his hand placement, leverage and relentlessness.
Sure would be nice to generate some pressure from the DE spot.
Interesting mock
Defense: A
ST: B
Offense: C (unless Ducasse can challenge for LG spot as a rookie, then a B)
Overall, I like it.
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
I'd be happier with Burnett than Allen
I’m not sure at all that Allen would be an upgrade over Hamlin ballhawking wise. So I say, give me some Burnett. But he’s climbing up some boards after a very good performance on his Pro Day, so I don’t think he would be around on the 3rd.
by Cowboysaficionado on Mar 21, 2010 12:45 AM CDT reply actions
Yep.
Burnett is kind of like Thomas in the sense that he has CB-type skills at the FS position.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 21, 2010 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions
We would have 2 safeties
w/ corner skills, I like
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 21, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Like the Kevin Mathews pick
If he makes the teams and hangs on 3-5 years it will be a very good pick. If he turns into Bruce Mathews….
Speed rules!
I would rather the Cowboys draft one of the Nittany Lion LBs that they are bringing in for a visit (Sean Lee and Navarro Bowman). They have good instincts AND are fast and athletic. I’ve seen Spikes play several times last year, and was not impressed. I’ve seen many Penn State games and think Lee and Bowman are far better players. If the Cowboys want to draft a big, slow linebacker they wait until later in the draft and pick someone like Micah Johnson.
Not a fan of any of the Penn State guys in our system.
The only place they could play would be WILB and we drafted Williams and Hodges there last year.
Size could be an issue.
You might be right, but I think Lee could play either ILB position if he puts on 5-6 lbs. I think Brady had to put on a few pounds when he came into the league as well. Bowman is probably only a WILB, so if we are happy with Williams he probably isn’t worth a 1-2 round pick. I wouldn’t count on Hodges making the team next year, much less competing to be a starter. He is undersized and out of position as a LB, and coming off of microfracture surgery. I am rooting for him, and hope he can compete with Carpenter for nickel LB, but I wouldn’t count on it.
True on Brady but
he gained the weight to play in Parcells’ system, which required him to take on a lot of tackles rather than running to the gap. He took that weight off again when Wade took over, so a lighter ILB would work in the Phillips 34.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Rafa
I love this draft except I would draft a C/G (Pouncey Please) as my top pick. I would probably not happen at 39 like you have it here. But what about 36?
Do think this could happen if you use scenario 2 instead of 1?
Woodson is a Hall of Famer!!!
This by far and away my favorite mock by Raf
I’d love to get Spikes, Ducasse, Burnett and Ford.
In Romo we Trust
No thanks on Ford
But I’d take this 7 round draft in a heart beat based on the 1st 3 picks.
Spikes is slow..pass
Ford I wouldnt mind in the later rounds
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Hey Raf
Would Mardy Gilyard be available where Ford is? Because even though I am a fan of Ford, I’m more of a fan or Mardy
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 21, 2010 7:38 PM CDT reply actions
Now that is something I could agree with even though I like Ford.
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by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 22, 2010 1:46 AM CDT up reply actions
In most cases, I am against the Cowboys trading down.
IMHO, even though it is too early to tell, I think last year’s draft was a throw-away.
Now, having said that, and since it is your blog, I have a real problem with Spikes being the best player on the board at #38. That being the case, I would go with the top OL prospect or cover safety on the board; there is a good chance Maurkice Pouncey or even Charles Brown will still be around here. With that #59 pick, I have no real problem with Ducasse if a lineman wasn’t picked at 38. If that was the case, and if that earlier pick was a center or guard, we really need a tackle here so let’s go with the best available—Ducasse will play guard in the NFL. How about Jared Veldheer, a true left tackle that can replace Big Flo in a year or two.
In the third round, I see Burnett as more of a SS, rather than a cover guy, so I would go with Nate Allen, if he is still on the board, or even a CB who likes to hit. There are probably no free safeties, other than possibly Nate Allen, available here without reaching an awfully long way, so I am OK with Burnett if that is the case.
For that second third round pick, #90, I hate itsey, bitsey, teeny, weeny receivers! So, this would probably be a pretty good place to get that ILB—Sean Lee is a possibility here—but there may not be anyone available without reaching. Rather than reaching for an ILB, I am going to reach for someone else here: another OT, Tony Washington. First round potential, that if I don’t grab him here, may not be available shortly
In the fourth round, if he is still available, I would go with Jordan Shipley. The third round was a little too early, but he is good value here. If he is gone, then I am OK with your pick, Al Wood, at NT.
Sixth and seventh rounds? Who knows. Let’s go with a CB, A.J. Jefferson, Fresno State; and a SS, Barry Church, Toledo.
Unlike a Cowboys' season, in life, there may not be a next year.
Burnett's strongest qualities are on coverage
So I guess you’re wrong there.
by Cowboysaficionado on Mar 21, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep...
The scouting reports on Burnett almost universally hail his ability to cover.
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by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 22, 2010 1:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Need to study up on those safeties
Nate Allen is a top 50 pick, he’s not going to make it out of the 2nd rd.
Burnett is one of the better cover safeties in the draft.
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
by APerfectStar on Mar 22, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm souring on this draft
The only guys I really like are Earl Thomas, Maurkice Pouncey, Dez Bryant, and Anthony Davis/Bruce Campbell who are all unlikely to be there when the ’Boys pick.
I guess a trade would be the best option although I would probably be content with giving up our 1st rounder for Jared Gaither.
Adopted Giant: Mike Krukow.
Grab Some Pine, Meat
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
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