Sunday Poll: The Dallas Cowboys are on the Mock Clock
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 28, 2010 2:00 PM CDT
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PrintHere's something a little different for this edition of the Sunday Poll. I mentioned in earlier posts that BTB is participating in a 1st-round mock draft among blogs on the Browns' blog, No Logo Needed.
Each representative blog for their respective NFL team had 24 hours to make their selection. 26 picks have been made. Now, the Cowboys are on the clock.
Listed in the poll, are some of the top players still available at #27 in this mock. Before selecting which player you would choose, make the jump to see who picked whom between #1 and #26.
Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
2. Detroit Lions: The Wayne Fontes Experience
Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma
3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Bucs Central
Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
4. Washington Redskins: The Curly R
Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
5. Kansas City Chiefs: Chiefs Report
Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa
6. Seattle Seahawks: Dave Krieg's Strike Beard
Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
7. Cleveland Browns: No Logo Needed
Eric Berry, DB, Tennessee
8. Oakland Raiders: Just Blog Baby
Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
9. Buffalo Bills: Buffalo Sports Now
Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
10. Jacksonville Jaguars: Black and Teal
Earl Thomas, S, Texas
13. San Francisco 49ers: Niners Nation
C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson
14. Seattle Sehawks (from Denver Broncos): Dave Krieg's Strike Beard
Charles Brown, OT, USC
15. New York Giants: Ultimate NYG
Sergio Kindle, LB, Texas
16. Tennessee Titans: Music City Miracles
Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech
17. San Francisco 49ers (from Carolina Panthers): Niners Nation
Taylor Mays, S, USC
18. Pittsburgh Steelers: Steelers Today
Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
19. Atlanta Falcons: The Falcoholic
Sean Witherspoon, OLB, Missouri
20. Houston Texans: Houston Die Hards
Joe Haden, CB, Florida
21. Cincinnati Bengals: Bengal Stripes
Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State
22. New England Patriots: Blauhg: A New England Patriots Blog
Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame
23. Green Bay Packers: Lombardi Ave
Jerry Hughes, DE/OLB, TCU
24. Philadelphia Eagles: Iggles Blog
Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State
25. Baltimore Ravens: The Ebony Bird
Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
26. Arizona Cardinals: Voice of the Cardinals
Brandon Graham, DE/OLB, Michigan
27. Dallas Cowboys: Blogging the Boys
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In real life
with those options I think we’d definitely be trading down, but if I have to pick 1 I’d go Davis.
dachssnewblog.blogspot.com
I was about to write the same thing. You are a faster typer
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
yes i think we would be getting a pretty sweet deal for one of Davis, everson, or JPP
I picked Davis but drafting JPP could be a massive steal
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by TexasGarcia37 on Mar 28, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I would take Pouncey pretty quickly.
He improves the interior of the line pretty quickly and could replace Kosier soon or perhaps Gurode down the road. No need to overthink the pick.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Agreed
I compare Davis to Andre Smith from last years draft. Scouts have said his heart isn’t in it. His conditioning is bad, not as bad as Smith’s, but bad enough to be a concern. If your heart isn’t in it, that conditioning isn’t going to improve. A couple scouts reported that he did poorly in the combine interviews. Sounds like a slug in the making.
Rabid and luvin' it
any scout who leaks his team's interviews is likely blowing some serious smoke
or should be fired. I wouldn’t want to work with anybody who runs to the press to blab about job interviews, especially before any picks are made.
Oh, now it's the scouts fault
Since Davis doesn’t display the heart and self-discipline to perform at his very best at the combine, it’s somehow the scouts fault?
Rabid and luvin' it
explain to me why a scout would smear a player in print?
You are aware that any comment about a prospect at this time of the year should be taken with a huge box of salt?
Teams are jockeying for position and want to throw teams off players they like. Hey, if teams want to pass on Davis for the reasons you mentioned, great.
This is how Dallas got Flozell in ’98. He was a projected 15-20 guy who got dropped because of “attitude” and “being deaf” etc. Dallas scooped him up in the early 2nd.
Two different scouts?
And a couple people that weren’t official scouts but were just there reporting and talking with the different prospects? Yup, they’re obviously all in collusion. Not to mention the draftniks that have commented that his tape from the beginning of the season was pretty bad, until he finally got into some semblance of game shape. Who, if they take their future seriously, comes into the season out of condition and has to play themselves into shape in the middle of the season?
Rabid and luvin' it
Came out of shape before school and combine but yet dominated in college anyway.
He was rated in the top 10 based on his play before the combine. He easlily have the measurables to back him up.
By the way, you can find just as many scouts who say the opposite. His game film doesnt lie.
KICK ASS every day!!!
I've seen both
I’ve seen film where he’s dominant and I’ve seen film where he comes up empty on the block and I’ve seen a lot in-between those extremes.
He did that during the Cincinnati game. It’s almost like he misread the defense or had some other mental lapse. He struggled several times in that game.
His measurables weren’t that impressive at the combine:
Measured 6’5" 323lbs…right at the average height of the OT’s at the combine and heavier than all but three (Ciron Black-6’4" 327lbs, Mike Tepper-6’5" 324lbs and Kyle Calloway-6’6" 323lbs)
40 time of 5.35…slower than all but 9 of the 20 OT’s that ran…so mid pack.
Only 21 benches…lower than all but 6 of the 20 OT’s that benched…not so good.
Good arm length at 34" though.
To put it in perspective, Charles Brown, who is a smallish converted TE, benched just as many times with 1.25" longer arms.
Rabid and luvin' it
well a 100+ million dollar career and HOF golden ticket for the rest of your life...
might just motivate him to work out more and concentrate. You have to admit, as cute as college cheerleaders are, motivation they provide pales in comparison to what the NFL offers.
Just remember what Raf reminds us of every year.
Go with what you have before the combiine. This is the lying season. Goods ones drop and bad ones rise. Smoke screens everywhere.
I was hoping we could get Davis in Janurary and felt we had no chance. In this mock he falls to us. Screw the combine. He is a player that played well enough to be top 3 after the season and they knew about his conditioning then.
Measurables to me have to do with 2 things. 1) Does he have enough athletism to play the position(30 inch arms on a LT or 4.8 speed for a WR or CB just ain"t gonna get it) 2) What are his limitations or his ceiling. (He can play but just how good can he be) Obviously there are more tests that answer more questions but you get the idea.
I watch them play to know if they can play.
KICK ASS every day!!!
haven't seen you commenting in a while.
came across this and thought you would find this interesting.
http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/03/17/n-f-l-draft-which-teams-build-wisely/
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 29, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks. When you read that you realize its about talent aquisition any way you can.(sp)
I wish they wouldnt have included undrafted rookie FAs. Those are draft picks to me because you get them new and put them though your program.
I really thought the better teams would had higher numbers in draft picks and less FAs. Of course FAs are signed usually for the misses in the draft. Biggie Davis and Kosier come to mind for us.
It also seems at first glance that the better teams hit big in rounds 6+ UDFAs. Romo, Saturday, Austin, Brackett, Colston. Few names that caught my eye.
KICK ASS every day!!!
I agree that UDFA's are the equivalent of drafting well
So the % of the cowboys’ talent that’s homegrown is higher than indicated by the analysis.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 29, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting. A top 4 OT falls to 27 and only 32% of the respondents pick him?
He’s got some flaws, but he’s what, 20, 21? I grab Davis with both hands at this spot,
and thank all the teams from 10 to 26 who need OTs, who passed on him.
Why I picked Pouncey ... (and why I'm probably wrong ... :)
I feel like the most immediate need is for our interior linemen, and Pouncey seems to be the low-risk / high-return pick.
Davis, and solid OTs in general, are harder to come by … and given our needs from a bit longer-term perspective, you’re probably right.
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Quality LTs are hard to come by
Look what what a good young one costs when they hit the market. Jason Peters brought a 1 and a 4.
If my pick comes up and a potential quality LT in on the board, the only positions who trump him are QB, DE/OLB (pass rusher) and CB.
Key word...potentially
Does Davis have potential? Yes.
Does Davis have the heart to realize that potential? Several scouts say no.
Evidence? He came to the combine and performed mediocre. That’s should be their number one priority if they’re serious about a NFL career. How do you come in and not perform the best you possibly can if you’re serious?
Rabid and luvin' it
who are these "several scouts"
do the pick for teams that would love to create a negative buzz and have Davis drop to them?
It’s bad form to bad-mouth players to the press. It’s rarely done. If you don’t like a guy and don’t want to pick him, why smear him in print?
What do you men “perform poorly at the Combine?” The guy came out early, so I have a hard time meshing “he’s not interested in the game” when he comes out early and is projected in the top 10-12 spots.
You haven’t said a thing about his GAME performances. He’s likely going in the top 12 based on those.
Coming out early
Has really nothing to do with love of the game. If anything, it’s quite the opposite. Coming out early is seen more as going for the money before a) you get hurt or b) striking while the fire’s hot.
Like I said in a reply above, he performed poorly at the beginning the past season. Why? Because his conditioning wasn’t up to snuff. Hmmm, comes into the season at less than optimal condition, gets into shape mid season, gets a break after the season and then comes into the combine at less than optimal condition. I see a trend here.
Rabid and luvin' it
seeing the same info on Davis
“boom or bust; poor work ethic; questionable love of the game; poor work ethic; " etc.
has the athleticism to be an LT even with his glacier slow 40.
Based on what I’ve read would take Pouncey over Davis even though we could use a future LT. Better work ethic and can play G or C maybe even as a rook.
"What we've got here is failure to communicate"
i think you are taking smoke and media propaganda and coming up with your position
Davis would be grabbed by the Cowboys with
two hands and a foot if he was around at 27.
Talk about how he actually played, stop trying to read his mind.
by alanTdot. on Mar 28, 2010 7:38 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
that said, there are some real "wow" picks here
Campbell at 8 is a big thank you from the Cowboys, cause that pushes a legit 1st round grade down a spot.
Same with Brown at 14. Seattle needs a LT, but they could trade down and get him.
I also have a hard time seeing N.E. take a guy who looks like a slot receiver in the 1st. Wes Welker tore a knee ligament. He’s not dead.
lol
BTB League Consolation Ladder Champ...thought you knew.
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 28, 2010 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Shhhhh.....
The Tate tribe will come and eat your soul.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 28, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
I voted for Davis - never can go wrong with a top LT
What kinda 40 does Flo run?
If Davis flops, move to RT, still flops move him to OG. However, there’s a reason Okung and Williams were the first two OTs taken. Every other OT prospect has issues of some sort. Could Davis be the best, maybe. Is he more likely to bust than Pouncey another maybe.
Does JPP have more potential than either Davis or Pouncey – absolutely!
Jerry shouldn’t have much trouble getting an early 2nd and 2011 first with those prospects on the board
If I'm starting a franchise....
…..and I have a LT, QB, DE/OLB, CB that all grade out about the same. I’m taking the LT. I’ve seen average QBs excell behind good protection.
Damn dude you're crazy. look better. You always take the franchise QB if you can get one.
You know Peyton Manning was only sacked 6 times last season right? He had a terrible left tackle. The Saints won the Super Bowl with a guy named Bushrod starting at LT that Ware destroyed.
A great QB can make his offensive line better by going through his progressions quickly, ,being able to decipher defenses and getting rid of the ball. Or guys like Romo and McNabb can run around avoiding defenders which makes their respective o-lines look better.
obviously something went wrong with my previous post.
I wish you could edit these things.
What position did Parcells take his first year at Miami?
That’s right a LT. What happend to David Carr in Houston without any protection? You can’t throw the ball from your back.
David Carr is a bad example.
He got himself killed by holding onto the ball for way too long. He did the same exact thing in Carolina behind a good o-line. He’s just a terrible quarterback.
But what people forget is this...
the Texans selected mammoth OT-Tony Boselli in the expansion draft, but as we all know, he prematurely retired due to a number of different serious injuries.
In my opinion, some bad luck was also involved.
Is playing smart too much to ask?
by silverblue5 on Mar 29, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
And to your point about Bushrod....
……he was facing a crippled DE that day.
That was my rationale as well
And interior linemen are simply easier to come by.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
+1
I saw Davis, didn’t even bother reading the other names on the list
by One.Cool.Customer on Mar 28, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually I was wondering if there was another Anthony Davis.
But then I realized it might be a trick question. If he’s there, he’s the pick.
Banging your head against a wall uses 150 calories an hour.
This.
This was a no brainer to me, but apparently it’s not as big of a no-brainer as it appears. If you picked Pouncey over Davis please explain.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
How can you pass a LT for the next 10 years.
I love Pouncey but the drop between Centers in the late 2nd/early 3rd isnt nearly as wide as the drop between LTs. Better chance of getting a starting Center than LT later in the draft.
KICK ASS every day!!!
I voted for Pouncey
Reason being is that I am somewhat confident that Free is our LT of the future, whereas I don’t know as much about Brewster nor do I have any faith in Proctor. Also, I do have concerns about the lack of work ethic as far as Davis. Guy blew off his pro day because he ate something that upset his stomach.
by Beuerleincouldhavebeenbetterthentroy on Mar 28, 2010 2:41 PM CDT reply actions
I had the same reasoning, but it's hard to ignore the opposing argument: VALUE
Great OTs = usually only available in the top 20 picks.
Great C/Gs = more like the top 50 picks (well, except last year, Unger at 49 … grrrr
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Yeah that was my thinking as well
although I understand why a lot would vote for Anthony Davis since he does have that potential to be a great LT. I suppose I would be very happy with either pick.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 28, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Pouncey
His draft stock has steadily increased, while Davis’ has been dropping. Factor in Free as the heir apparent at LT, the quality of the OT’s available in the 2nd rd, and I think it tips the value in favor of Pouncey here.
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
by APerfectStar on Mar 28, 2010 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions
wouldnt we want to pick a player whose draft was high closer to the end of the season
that is when the ranking would have been most earnestly based on game performance. All the movement since then is all combine and debate.
Or more warts exposed by draftniks
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
by APerfectStar on Mar 28, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Dez Bryant!!!
If trading up with the Bengals to get Dez isn’t an option then I would definitely have to go with Anthony Davis. Like Squidlo said there is a much larger dropoff after the second rd between tackles and interior lineman
by Demarion Warber on Mar 28, 2010 2:52 PM CDT reply actions
why not, that is arguably the most reliable position to draft and amoung the most important
also there are some legit OTs this year
+1 OTs are highly likely to go intop 10
I’m thankful bruce campell is gone early as he has grreat measurables but everyone slams his film
by AustonianAggie on Mar 29, 2010 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Pouncey
And pick up Vladamir Duccasse in the 2nd (trade up if you must)
Davis if we stay at 27.
I think though if Bryant makes it to pick 20 the Cowboys will move up. Dez and Miles would be lethal for years provided we can patch up the o-line somewhere else.
I would be SHOCKED if we traded up for a WR
“…patch up the o-line somewhere else…” is ignoring the only major weakness on the entire team. If Romo plays well behind a somewhat suspect line, imagine if you give him a measure of comfort.
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Didn't KC Joyner
debunk the myth of the all-important left tackle?
if fans think that Pouncey is a better prospect than Davis,
then picking Pouncey isn’t that OMGWHATAREYOUDOING of
a pick. i, personally, think Pouncey is a better prospect.
Columbo isn’t exactly garbage. Free is probably ready.
I think the argument really depends on Brewster and whether he
will be an interior man or a right tackle. if he is a RT than i think
Pouncey is a great pick.
if Brewster is going inside, then Davis makes more sense, arguably.
that being said
i think people too frequently remember the times that
Flo has a breakdown and gives up a play or when Columbo
gets beat, and then they revert to the mindset that the o-line
book-ends are the be all, end all of the o-line.
think about Kosier getting muscled around like a rag doll. Remeber
Bigg getting beat time and time again by delays and stunts. Think about Proctor.
Now tell me that o-line depends on the tackle spots.
i’m not buying it.
Its about needs meeting value. I dont buy all that Joyner is selling and by observing the NFL neither are they.
Brewer has always looked like a G to me. Maybe he could play RT but I see him excelling at guard. (based on very limited college film and build) Davis is a top 5 talent who has fell to 27. I beleive I could get a C/G prospect in the next two rounds with more upside than any LT.
For the sake of arguement lets say LT isnt any more important than than any other line position. That doesnt change the fact that our LT is old and play is falling off. People say Free could play LT and I concur. However Free can absolutely excell at RT and be middle of the pack at LT. Im looking for more than middle of the pack.
Davis is a gift. if he falls to 27. I like gifts. Im going to plug his ass in and move on to other concerns.
KICK ASS every day!!!
i completely understand your argument.
the problem is that i disagree that Davis is a top 5 talent.
i think he and Pouncey are in the same tier, top 15.
for the sake of my argument, i’d say that i think Davis has a Jason
Peters potential.
i also think Pouncey has the-guard-from-the-Saints-whose-name-
escapes-me-for-some—reason potential.
i’d take that guard from the Saints over Peters any day of the season.
pouency isnt this super prospect people are making him out to be
he has his warts. he is a little undersized and played the shotgun, that is just what i know off the top of my head. there is a reason Davis is consistently ranked higher
C/OGs are almost never top 15 picks - I can't think of a recent one.
An elite C/OG prospect is easier to find than an elite LT.
Agreed on all points.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Jered Odrick
This kid looks like a clone of Rat, I think he’s definitely the best player on the board.
In Romo we Trust
I'm somewhat surprised Odrick got so little votes.
But of course I didn’t pick him either. We’re all o-line happy, and with pretty good reason I suppose. Let’s all hope this is the way things fall. I really like the idea of having Pouncey on the team, but Davis has to be the pick in this case.
Odricks stats in college arent as good as Spears was coming out
And Spears played in a better conference. I say no to Odrick.
by alanTdot. on Mar 28, 2010 7:33 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
He isnt a two gap NT, 3-4 DE's still have to produce
by alanTdot. on Mar 29, 2010 8:04 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
SEC isn't that much better than the Big 10
Odrick is a player and I’m willing to bet he’ll be a better player than Spears as a pro, and I say this being a PSU hater.
In Romo we Trust
"SEC isn't that much better than the Big 10"
You can find talent anywhere, and the competition in division 1 schools in major BCS conferences shouldn’t change anyone’s perspective on anyone.
HOWever, just as far as the amount of talent goes, yes the SEC is better than the Big 10 and every other conference.
You don’t base evaluation on that though.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 29, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I never said SEC wasn't better
I said it wasn’t that much better than the Big 10. All you have to do is look at the NFL rosters and the Big 10 produces talent almost as much as the SEC, it’s closer than you think.
In Romo we Trust
Anthony Davis
Is my man. Some pundits had him as a top 5 pick before the combine. There’s very little that could drop a man quite that far.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
Pouncey
Davis to me has a much higher chance of being a bust while they have nearly the same ceiling of becoming Pro Bowl caliber players
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 28, 2010 4:00 PM CDT reply actions
My thinking exactly
Adopted Giant: Mike Krukow.
Grab Some Pine, Meat
Kevin Frandsen: Better than any SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
I'd take Demaryius Thomas.
Roy needs to be replaced and receivers take awhile to develop.
sleeper
I like him. I want him in the 2nd.
by CowboyCurtis on Mar 28, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think he'll be there.
I don’t even think he’ll be there at #27 in reality though. I’ve seen him in the top 10 of some of the newer mocks. I don’t think he’ll go that high but he could easily go to someone like New England. His hype has been building up for awhile now.
The Cowboys will be thrilled that Anthony Davis is still there in this scenario. Kind of a no-brainer in my opinion.
I think they need the most help at OL, CB, or DL. But they almost never reach for a need – I think they’ll take the best player available, no matter what the position, and it wouldn’t surprise me to see them move either up or down. Luckily, the OL and DL is stacked this year, and there are some nice corners available too.
Agreed
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 28, 2010 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotta go Anthony Davis
but I would still consider Jason Pierre-Paul.
It would be great to have these options…but neither will be available when this is for real.
by doomsdayreturns on Mar 28, 2010 5:08 PM CDT reply actions
selecting between Davis and Pouncey is a GOOD problem to have for us.
I don’t think we’ll go wrong either way.
Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK
Agree
either guy would help the team.
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
by APerfectStar on Mar 28, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess you can look at it that way.
I’m still going Davis though. You don’t pass on one of the top OT’s in the draft if he falls to you at 27, especially when there are other good options at G like John Jerry and Brandon Carter later in the draft.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
True, but this mock is not made entirely up up SBNation blogs.
BTB League Consolation Ladder Champ...thought you knew.
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 28, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Either OL prospect would be a good choice
I personally voted Puncey.
TOP Ranked Center prospect
VS
(debatable here)
- - #6 OT prospect
The old saw about “you can find C or G in the 3rd / 4th round and develop them”
is true as far as it goes.
But why take a third option at a position when you could have the besT?
ANYTIME you can take a best at his position in 10 years guy, you are foolish to start talking about value of the position.
22 starters are valuable to team success, some more than others yes, but the 4th best anything is seldom better for a TEAM than the BEST of any position.
Because you can get the second or 3rd rated center in the middle 2nd to early 3rd.
Your down to the 8th-10th best OT by then.
KICK ASS every day!!!
No other top rated Center
has the size we covet, its basically Pouncey or at best a 6th rounder
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 28, 2010 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Gurode is 6'4 318 at 32 years old and with a little bit of a gut.
Pouncey is 6’4" 304 at 20 years old. He can put 14 pounds with no problem over the next couple years and without the gut.
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Mar 29, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
One other thing...
Since he’ll probably be starting out at LG first…Kyle Kosier 6’5" 307
Rabid and luvin' it
Again
Why take a C with 1/2 of the skills when we can take the best and be done with it?
Mediocrity comes from thinking you can take “some guy in the 3rd” and work him into a serviceable player.
Just seems dumb to me, take a flyer on the 6th guy at a position everyone thinks is so important over again the best player at a position entering the draft in a decade.
Is a mediocre LT more beneficial than a Pro Bowl C?
Ehhh...
Sometimes you can find value in the late rounds (Jay Ratliff for one) however, I agree with you here. If you have the chance to draft an Anthony Davis or a Maurkice Pouncey you do it.
Centers drop. You can pick up the 2nd or 3rd rated center in round 2.
I dont think Davis will be mediocre. I think he will be the best when this class gets to its 3rd year.
You think you get mediocre picking a Center in the 3rd. Try picking a LT in the 3rd. Then you can also pick up a splint for your QBs spine and a spatula to get him off of JJs new turf..
KICK ASS every day!!!
Flozell was a 2nd rounder (#38)
Matt Light was a 2nd rounder (#48)
Marcus McNeil was a 2nd rounder (#50)
Chad Clifton was a 2nd rounder (#44)
Andrew Whitworth was a 2nd rounder (#55)
Jermon Bushrod was a 4th rounder
Jared Gaither was a 5th rounder
Charlie Johnson was a 6th rounder
David Diehl was a 5th rounder
With the exception of Diehl, all these guys were starting LT’s in the playoffs last year. Half of all the starting LT’s in the playoffs last season were selected in the 2nd round or below. Three of them were selected in the 4th or later. I included Diehl because he’s given our defense fits over the years.
Rabid and luvin' it
Lets not play this game.
Romo and Warner were playoff QBs who werent drafted. Brees and Farve 2nd round yada yada yada.
Talent can be found anywhere but we are drafting and we are playing the odds. Its all a gamble. Im hedging my bets. I need a C/G and a LT. Centers tend to drop on draft day LTs rise.(fact) I like the odds of me getting better total value with LT who was rated 3 after watching play in the 1st round and picking up my Center in the next round.
If you want Dallas drafting your LT in the 3rd round or later get at it. Pouncey was considered a late round pick after college play. He has steadily risen since. I dont like to pick guys that rise after football season.
KICK ASS every day!!!
And I'd rather pick the best at a position of need
Rather than gamble on a “Top 5” of a position of need that has character and consistency questions.
Rabid and luvin' it
And who says we have to wait until the 3rd
We can pick (or move up slightly to pick) Saffold, Ducasse or Veldheer in the 2nd .
Rabid and luvin' it
I would rather have Davis and Walton than Pouncey and Safford/Veldhee.r
I think we have to move up slightly in both of our second round choices as I dont see them at 59.
KICK ASS every day!!!
If that is the case, then the Tackles in the 2nd round get even scarier.
Or Safford is a little better than we thought. Or tackles rise and Centers fall. LOL!!
Im a left Tackle guy, what can I say. I love Pouncey but Flo will fade before Gurode.
KICK ASS every day!!!
Funny thing is Flo fell to the second round because deaf and motor.
McNeil fell because of spinal stenosis.
Gaither shouldnt be included because of he would have been a top 3 tackle prospect but his grades prevented him from playing. He had to come out in the supplement draft and his lack of games played and rep hurt him. He also entered the supplemental draft becuse it wasnt until june 25th he even knew he wouldnt have been eligible to play college.
Bushrod and Whitworth started at LT because of injuries.
Diehl was drafted as a Guard and moved to T because of injury and is kind of an anomally. He is a rare dude.
KICK ASS every day!!!
Its good to be skeptical about what comes out from sources this time of year BUT
There have been a lot reports that do not sing Davis’s praises. I went hunting around Rutgers boards (don’t laugh there are actually several) and late last summer there was talk he was not in great shape at the beginning of the season. He seemed to work his way into it but still that seems to gibe with other reports about him not being fully prepared going into the combine. And if he drops THIS far then more then a few teams buy off on that. So I went with Pouncey.
Demaryius Thomas
Or, Colt McCoy
by Montecito Tex on Mar 28, 2010 7:38 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Pouncey
The word on Davis’s attitude and work ethic are not a recent developement. I’m sure it could be just the smoke screen that has been spoken of. Pouncey is a top ranked C and a leader. He can provide backup at G and C right away and probably start if needed. LT are very important, but Davis just scares me.
My two pet picks-
Wilson and Weatherspoon-are gone in this one.
That makes Davis a no brainer. I think Pouncey is a second round prospect, and Davis’ value is such that he probably would have been the pick even over my favorites.
Ugh
How many days until this is over?
Argueing about a mock of a mock, one that doesn’t allow trading so is completely irrelevant
(except to boost comments here)
Would be fun to save this and have Cool.C do a statistical analysis of how far this comes from the real draft!
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
The thing is, this is all far more difficult to predict than the NCAA tourney, and look how messed up everyone's bracket is!
Instead of 50/50 odds of being right (and come on, Kansas was a bit better than 50/50 odds when they went down) … with the NFL draft you are looking at several choices at each pick. The variables of figuring out – for example – what each team REALLY thinks of their back-up guys … or what teams think of remaining free agents … are simply too complicated to project. Throw in potential trades and the entire process is merely a way to bide our time until draft day :) Fun? Sure. I like mocking your mocking of the mock of a mock. Wow, a rare moment … I actually winded myself with that last line.
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
It's "fun" for some
But people don’t argue over their NCAA brackets as if they are experts-
people post on this subject as if they actually know something, which they don’t.
You made my point with an excellent analogy, though, esp. the way the NCAA worked out this year!
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Mar 29, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I am not a draftnik, but I appreciate the depth of knowledge many posters here display...
And it does make draft day more interesting if you have a greater awareness of the options as the day unfolds. You might ask yourself “would I trade up here to grab XYZ value pick?” … whereas I’m just checking in on who the Boys took.
The NFL draft, like the NBA, has the potential to shift power within divisions and the whole league… it makes for an interesting day. But the pay-off of being a draftnik, to me, seems to be a better appreciation for the success and/or failures of different franchises… it’s knowledge that keeps on giving throughout the careers of these incoming guys.
Missing out on Unger affected the quality of last year’s draft for the Boys, yet the jury will still be out for another 2/3 years as to the ultimate value of 2009. Same will go here, where people will whine when their pet cat drops right past us … and complain like crazy … all with very little follow-up as to the accuracy of these pre-draft assessments.
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Provides offseason passion, discussion and arguements
Still pissed Jerry didn’t draft Chris Johnson, oh yeah I wanted Mendenhall.
Hard to complain when you land Felix and Jenkins.
Does CJ get that many carries here?
KICK ASS every day!!!
Nothing wrong with it
It’s just that this is, and I mean literally, about the 100th post/article on the draft.
Not counting fanposts, which I see as more appropiate for this topic.
Even I have an opinion-trade up!
I think it’s overkill in the search for “hits” on this site, for advertising.
But I come here for free, and they gotta pay the bills, right? They’d say they have to do it, don’t read it, etc.
And man do I agree on Unger last year.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Mar 29, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions
I went with Davis
he isn’t ready and with Free already in the fold, this will give him time to grow and mature in program
It's fun to do bad things. -Latarian Milton
I think what we are all missing is that at worse Davis is a servicable RT
With Free in the mix, this means that the line is solidified for 6+ years at the most important positions. Plus high rated OT prospects are so reliable and translate so quickly that you have to go Davis at this point.
how can cody be in third place
i would hate it if the boys picked him here. big reach at a position with negligible need, blek! JPP, Odrick, and Griffen should be miles ahead.
If I were Jerry here..
I’d take the free-falling tackle and trade up in the second to grab Pouncey. Tada! You’ve just solidified two spots on your offensive line and make Barber, Jones, Choice, AND Romo much happier.
Anthony Davis.
Hands down.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
1st time
logging in in quite some time! My question to you all is if you so content on taking Davis @ 27, then what would your plans be for Free? Free IMO is the best candidate for the future @ LT, he has proven himself so far. What makes you think that Davis is the answer over Free. The safest pick is Pouncey. He would give us an eventual replacement at LG and excellent depth at C. Finally would allow us to rid of Proctor!
Free proved he is a very good RT. He played 8 games and made plays there.
He also showed he could LT which is great for us but he would a more productive player at RT. Playing RT you are usually taking on the second best pass rushers. At LT your usually taking on the best.
Its like Patrick Crayton. He can play the #2 WR but he is more productive as the #3(slot)
KICK ASS every day!!!
And even if
Free is our future at LT, Anthony Davis should be able to play RT. We’d end up with two very talented young tackles who can single up on the DE’s/OLB’s around the league.
remember
we still have Robert Brewster who could be that RT guy to eventual replace Columbo. It was unfortunate for us that he got injured. Free has the feet, speed and agility sets for LT not RT. Sure he did an excellent job at pass protection while he was a RT, but his run blocking wasn’t all that good. He is much more suited for LT @ handeling the speed than @ R on the bull rush.
given our track records with drafting offensive linemen..
…I’m kinda pessimistic about Brewster. Was Brewster killing it in camp or something? I thought he got injured really early…
if i recall
right, it was actually just before camp, he was weight lifting and tore his pectoral. That’s why we haven’t been able to see him in action yet. But, apparently the coaching staff is pretty high on him as a RT.
Teams have traditionally put their best pass rusher on the RE(our left) regardless of speed/bull rush because of the blind side.
The left end (our RT)by tradition has been a guy more suited to stop the run as more teams run to their right. With todays pass first game, teams put their best 2 pass rushers out there regardless but the better one usually goes to the blindside.
I saw Free making plays down field from the RT. How many times have you said a lineman making plays downfield.
Brewster looks like a G. I think they are just high on him as a player.
KICK ASS every day!!!
I wonder...
does the fact that “we” just resigned Cory “the human turnstile” Procter say anything about how the war room views the position? At least in the early rounds? In other words, does it make Pouncey a less-likely pick?
RT for Free.
I think he can be league average at LT, whereas I think he can be a Pro Bowl caliber RT.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Free is more Left Tacklish
According to Jerry,
Asked whether he thinks Doug Free could start at left tackle, Jones answered “yes.” He said he thought of Free as “more left tacklish than right tacklish.” Yes, that’s actually what he said. His point was that Free’s excellent footwork gives him a chance to be better suited for the left side. And based on his comments, I wouldn’t be shocked if the Cowboys decided to make Free the starter in 2010
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
by APerfectStar on Mar 29, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I've seen it.
I don’t care. I still disagree with the decision if that’s what they intend to do.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
You disagree based on one game where...
he didn’t get beat as bad as you think he did.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 29, 2010 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
We've already had this discussion man.
I watched the game and I disagree. I know you did too, but I saw it differently and I’m not the only one. What I saw was that Free was owned by Jared Allen in that game. I didn’t hear his name once when Flozell was in the game, but when Flozell went down and Free came in the announcers were calling his name out on nearly every play. He was putting a lot of pressure on the left side. I really don’t want to get into all this again, we disagree. Let’s just leave it at that, deal?
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Sure...
I guess we will.
All I know is there about 80 other people on here that would say he did decent against Allen. One would be a stat god, the other a tape analyst that has a degree from Yale.
So… I guess you know what side of the fence I’m leaning on.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 30, 2010 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
That's fine, and yes I know what side you're on.
I’m still not changing my mind. I think Free could probably play a decent LT for the Cowboys, league average to slightly above maybe. I just think he could be a Pro Bowl caliber RT and that there are probably better options at LT that the Cowboys could pursue. At worst, they go and get somebody like Gaither or in the draft, Free turns out to be better and the OT’s are still solidified for years to come.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I think Davis would be a steal
LT’s are hard to come by. I think some of the negatives associated with him can be attributed to the situation Rutgers was in this year.
Schiano’s play calls were really frustrating to watch, and he was blocking a freshman QB, and at times another QB who was exceptionally sloppier than the freshman. The team regressed. In an NFL situation, I think he’d probably improve dramatically after some attention to detail.
It would be nice to have both tackle positions addressed for the long term (Free at RT)
What about Aurelius Benn?
I think Benn should definitely be on our list of considerations. I would still vote for Davis because it is hard to find a top tackle, and he could even play G for year or two if we really like Free/Adams/Columbo at the tackle spots for now.
My second choice would be Aurelius Benn. In my opinion he has been the most talented reciever in the big ten for the last several years (go ahead, insert your own big ten WR joke here). He definitely has the ability to be a starting WR and a game changer in the NFL. The late rounds of this draft look great for finding little WRs who can return kicks and maybe play the slot, but I think the odds are slim that we will find another Miles Austin who can develop into a playmaker. I like my chances of finding a C/G in round 3/4 more than a #1 or #2 WR.
Being an Illini fan
Benn was hurt a little too much for my taste & I wish he’d had a QB that could get him the ball. Of course, I thought Alan Ball was a wasted pick & I think it’s fair to say he has exceeded our expectations.
Free at LT?
I have a question that has been concerning me for a while and I was trying to find an answer to before risking asking a question that I could get torn apart on…But here goes..
After Flo went down with injury in Minnesota, wasn’t it Free who came in and played LT the rest of the game? Granted, the O-Line as a whole had an awful day(Flo seemed to be keeping his side clean before he went down—at least what I could see from the stands). Free didn’t look to good, albeit against one of the better DEs in the league, I am still just really concerned about him on an island with the better DEs in the league.
Am I crazy or is this a legitimate concern???
I voted Pouncey because of everything I have read, it sounds like he would be able to improve LG now, and in a year or two, take over the C job and give improvement at recognition and blitz pick up. I haven’t read enough about Davis, but I liked the low risk/high-reward rather than higher risk/high reward(Davis) Either or I wont be upset with..as someone said it’s all where the team sees Free/Brewester panning out.
Free Actually
Held his own pretty darn good, IMO, against Jarred. The one play where Jarred got to Romo was when Witten was one on one with Jarred and Witten will lose that fight each and every time. But for the rest of the game, Free was pretty good there i thought.
Right
I think that Free actually gives this team a HUGE advantage in the draft. If a tackle capable of playing Left side is available, you draft him and you have two aging spots covered. If the guys is a project, Free can replace Flo if he takes the expected nosedive. If no tackle prospects are worth the pick in the early portion, you can afford to draft an interior lineman because Colombo is sereviceable and Free can replace either side competently.
I think I just talked myself into Pouncey….
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
I think the whole key is whether Dallas thinks Free can play LT or not.
If they do, that really opens things up for Dallas since they can afford to wait on taking a tackle until a mid-round and instead maybe take an elite interior lineman.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 29, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they are convinced that he can
and that really does open up the draft for them.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Agreed with 729 and dunk
I think that’s why I feel I would rather get Pouncey to strengthen the interior of the line, then address OT in 2nd or 3rd, like Vlad or the kid from Indiana, and see how the dominos fall in a year down the road. I think Pouncey has the best chance of starting in year 1(LG).
Maybe Davis allows the Boys to consider Flozell expendable, but I wonder if Davis would be THAT much of an improvement to Flozell? Flozell pisses me off at least once a game, but there is something about knowing that the guy that has Romo’s back will do absolutely anything within his power to keep him clean. Flozell is far from Elite, but he is far from a ‘ham sandwich’ — phrase we use in my office for fantasy football guys who are performing below they should, but i think the idea comes across.
You're not alone on the Free stuff.
I’ve been fighting this fight for a while now.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
People Are Forgetting
that MInnesota game, where he did “not bad” as a left tackle against the game’s best pass rusher, was his FIRST GAME PLAYING LEFT TACKLE IN THE NFL. My point is, he did pretty good there and will only get better. Who knows how either Free or Davis will pan out, but we do know we have a player on the team who has demonstrated very good skills at right tackle who happens to be physically better suited to play left tackle. If he did such a good job at right, how do you think he’s going to do at left ??? In my opinion this is what’s on the Cowboys minds right now and I think a lot of fans will be surprised when the Boys pass on a left tackle in the early rounds in favor of interior linemen, like Pouncey.
True, but...
If he did such a good job at right, how do you think he’s going to do at left ???
No telling, two completely different positions. The LT has to face the elite pass rushers of the league. So far in that situation, the record is Jared Allen 1 – Doug Free 0.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Jared Allen .01 - Doug Free .02
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 31, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
anthony davis is just to good to pass on
but the quality of choices are better than I expect. Jason piere-paul could have ware like physical attributes, and that Center could really help too
by AustonianAggie on Mar 29, 2010 10:44 AM CDT reply actions
Agreed.
Plus I think that OT’s offer much more flexibility as far as trading goes and if they fail ultimately at LT, most are at least decent right tackles.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 29, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
I would be so torn between Anthony Davis and Paul-Pierre
I’ve seen Paul-Pierre compared to Ware before. Not sure how we would use three pass rushing OLBs like Ware, Spencer and Paul-Pierre, but it sure would be fun to watch.
No doubt Davis is the pick IMO.
At 6’6" 325lbs just what Dallas needs and I think wants. He is one of the top 3 OT coming out and if he falls to #27, that would be great. I don’t see him making to Dallas, but if he does I hope they jump on him.
Davis scares me
If its a top tackle vs interior linemen, I think its a no brainer in general. However, the background I’ve read on Davis is that he’s lazy and doesn’t really care about the game. Sure, it could be misinformation, but I don’t buy that.
I personally think in draft rankings that the physical attributes get overrated when compared to the mental ones. You see a lot of physically gifted players fail in the league, and a lot of others overcome their deficiencies through hard work. I’ll take the guy who’s wiling to work rather than the textbook prototype w/ a bad attitude.
My feeling is that a lineman, moreso than some other positions, has to work on his craft, and that you can’t get by just on physical talent. Most guys show that work ethic early on, so I don’t buy that you can develop it. Davis is a boom/bust guy because of that, either the light comes on and he lives up to his potential, or like many before him, his attitude gets worse after he’s a millionaire. I’d rather have a safer pick. I go Pouncey even though I think tackle is a critical hole on this team.
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by cowboysuberfan on Mar 29, 2010 12:04 PM CDT reply actions
+1
I agree, to me a player’s character and intangibles are just as important as their physical talent, if not more so.
In Romo we Trust
Thought you were a fan of how they play.
Davis played well enough as a Jr(he came out as a Jr) to be considered top 3. His “Combine” dropped him.
KICK ASS every day!!!
well specifically
his combine interviews.
In his 3 year college career, he’s been suspended one game for breaking team rules (I don’t know what that means, I always assume pot) and also once for a quarter (for being late, again, that probably really means pot).
by AustonianAggie on Mar 29, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah this pick is going to depend on interviews
but at 20 years of age, his persona can still be molded
by AustonianAggie on Mar 29, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
There isn't a player in the draft that's a lock.
He’s has all the tools to be a great OT in this league for along time. If he’s on the board at #27 and the Boys have him ranked as a top 15 player then they would be crazy not to take him. Who is saying he has a bad work ethic? Is it his college coaches, teammates or is it some talking head that really doesn’t know crap about the kid?
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 29, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
You think JPP is the BPA.
He’s not going to be able to step in and play right away IMO. The OL, safety, and ILB is a bigger need, but if JPP’s upside is through the roof go for it.
No, but the need is greater at those positions IMO.
If the Boys have a player graded much higher than anyone else on the board, take him. I’m all for taking the BPA.
Well...
I wouldn’t say ANY, I would think that Iupati(hope I spelled that right) ended up being drafted that he would have a really good shot of replacing Kosier.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 29, 2010 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
I would be pleased if Anthony Davis really did drop to 27th...
… and da King went ahead and drafted him.
Is playing smart too much to ask?
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