NFL Free Agency Eve '10: Ready, Steady, Swap!
by Rafael Vela on Mar 4, 2010 10:20 PM CST
Email
PrintWe've commented today that the unrestricted free agent ranks are populated by older players. Any decent young player, no matter how marginal he may seem has received a high round tender. Consider Cowboys backups like Sam Hurd and Cory Proctor have 2nd round tenders tonight.
I doubt that 32 teams intend to stand pat, with last year's rosters. This looks like teams arming for a major swap meet. I asked around tonight to see if teams were in fact looking to trade. One source told me to scan the RFA lists, because many general managers are talking about trades. The question is whether they have the nerve to pull them off?
Early indications are yes. The Lions and Browns have apparently reached an agreement that would send DT Corey Williams to the Motor City for a low-round draft pick. Disgruntled Chargers CB Antonio Cromartie is also on the verge of being shipped to the Jets for a conditional 3rd-round pick.
The RFA comment does not quite mesh with these two deals, which are for players under contract. My understanding is that teams cannot deal players who have not signed their tenders. That said, could we be close to a flurry of NBA-style sign-and-trade deals, where teams work out compensation up to, but not necessarily the amount called for by the players' tender(s)?
Stay tuned.
250 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
nice call Raf.
We haven’t seen trades like this in the NFL in I don’t know how long.
RAF
Do you have any idea on who the cowboys could target?
by TONYINCC on Mar 4, 2010 10:29 PM CST via mobile reply actions
We all do.
Fact is nobody knows what Jerry is going to do. But it will be something. All we can do is sit here and watch.
Ready for some baseball.
Seems like he's decent.
But not as good as his interception numbers would indicate. Could be a bit of the NBA phenomenon of putting up good stats on a bad team. Pass.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 4, 2010 11:48 PM CST up reply actions
well Rolle seems to be out of reach,
and i am the leading proponent of acquiring a Safety in FA, so I want him.
I would rather just go with Hamlin.
I know he’s not thought of highly around here, but if you look at how the defense, the secondary specifically performed with and without him there, I think you’ll realize that his play is more important than just the (awful) interception numbers. There’s something to be said for having someone who can organize and lead your secondary.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 4, 2010 11:57 PM CST up reply actions
its not so much that i think hamiln is bad
i just think that improved play at that position would take this D to the next level. oshiomogho could do that
I don't think he could.
I think the tradeoff you’d get in getting increased interceptions is less leadership and a less organized defense. Maybe I’m wrong, the Cowboys are the ones who would know best. I have a feeling they will look at their secondary and decide that while safety would be the main place they could upgrade, it would cost too much for a potentially marginal upgrade.
A shame that Rolle is going for so much, because he would not be a marginal upgrade.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 5, 2010 12:26 AM CST up reply actions
Atogwe is better IMO
So I dont think he would be considered Marginal, 24 TOs in 28 games is absolutely crazy.
Atogwe would definitely be an upgrade over Hamlin.
He wouldn’t be a bad fallback option if Rolle’s price gets too ridiculous, as it looks to be.
Ready for some baseball.
At what price
I happen to think he is worth 6-7 mil a year, but I want to frontload as much as possible just in case.
???
He had 3 forced fumbles and 2 interceptions in 13 games last year? That’s worse than I had been expecting.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 5, 2010 12:36 AM CST up reply actions
so lets assume you are mostly correct in your assumption
so then what does this mean, a safety in the draft is the only answer
Pretty much.
Rolle, high draft pick, or a major leap forward by Michael Hamlin or Alan Ball (unlikely)
If not that, I’d rather roll(e) with what we have.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 5, 2010 12:37 AM CST up reply actions
Sharper.
Not saying I like that idea, but he’s definitely an option and would be a MASSIVE upgrade over Hamlin.
Ready for some baseball.
I thnk if we go that route
We would def need to draft a safety early. Sharper is up there in age, and we burned him pretty bad.
We need to get better.
I’d take Sharper on a 2 year deal, he’s a decent upgrade. You’d still like to draft a guy who can replace him soon in case age catches up to him too quickly.
The other issue is, there’s been reports that New Orleans tailored their system to him, so he may not be as good as he showed last year. My thought is, even if he’s not quite that good, it would be an upgrade. He plays the rangy centerfield FS well; certainly gets more interceptions.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 5, 2010 12:44 AM CST up reply actions
Atogwe is on a whole different level than Hamlin.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
I also heard that the panthers are going to cut delhomme, talk about getting out now to avoid the cap hit later.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
They need to.
No reason to keep him around. Matt Moore looked great. I love Delhomme, but it’s time for them to move on.
Ready for some baseball.
It was too be expected...teams dumping inflated contracts.....
Im not sure what Jerry is waiting for….
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
i came up w another
Solution if we did trade gurode. Maybe we could sign mawae for 1 year, and hopefully(big if) get pouncey, and give him a year behind mawae.
I know mawae is 39, but he has been a rock, and will be the smartest lineman we have had in a while. Just a thought.
by TONYINCC on Mar 4, 2010 10:36 PM CST via mobile reply actions
This is the Year...
The Dallas Cowboys could have home field all the way through the Super Bowl, which happens to be scheduled on Ronald Reagan’s 100th birthday. If there was ever an occasion to go “All In”, now is the time.
Here are Tex’s three free agent fixes:
1. Jamal Williams – overpay for the prototypical 3-4 tackle. Combined with a spry Ratliff, the critical position would be the strongest in the NFL.
2. Nice Rackers – not placing Folk on IR was a mistake.
3. Stephen Neal - Cowboys need an offensive player who can bring that Super Bowl attitude to the huddle.
Dude
seriously, Ronnie is dead and buried but keep the politics out of this site. That’s twice now you’ve made this point. Starting political flame wars, and they’re very easy to do, will get you banned.
Consider yourself warned.
Accurate Fact...
It’s an important date in American history, not a political statement. The Super Bowl is being played in Dallas on February 6, 2011.
by Montecito Tex on Mar 4, 2010 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
You could use the same argument about posting the Confederate battle flag
“it’s an important artifact in American history.”
Right, Tex, and we’re all stupid. You make you “point of fact,” somebody makes a snarky remark about the ex-President and off we go. I’ve seen this before. One “fact” and then I came back three hours later and the comment thread it 500 long, with five people going at it tooth and nail over some tangential point that belong on a political blog.
Stick to football.
by Rafael Vela on Mar 5, 2010 1:17 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I know this has to stick to football....but....
for some reason I can’t get the picture of Christopher Lloyd popping out of nowhere and going, “Ronald Regan the actor!”…. sorry coudn’t resist.
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 7:39 AM CST up reply actions
I was going to mention something about George Washington
glad I didn’t…
I am not about to start a partisan political debate
no matter how hard you try to tempt me…
Did George chp down the cherry tree or did he use his reputation for honesty to cover for someone else?
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
I like the 3 guys
Especially Neal. We would still need to focus the draft on FS, OG, OT, and WR.
not placing Folk on IR was a mistake
Seriously? Folk was available to be brought back up until a few weeks ago if we had wanted him….we obviously didn’t want him…
It does not mean it was not a mistake
I do not know how to determine if a particular kicker is going to get his head strait, but if Folk works out his kinks this off season he will be again be one of the better kickers in the league and he is still young.
yikes
Rotoworld says redskins close to deal w peppers
by TONYINCC on Mar 4, 2010 10:55 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Rolle is down to NY Giants and Miami
I can’t help but think that if Rolle signs with Miami, it could push Earl Thomas down to Dallas in the draft. Many mocks I’ve seen have Thomas going 15th to NYG. There are still some other teams looking for safety help between NYG and Dallas (Pittsburgh, Cincy come to mind) but its a thought.
i wonder if we will see another 100 mil contract thrown around this offseason
if there is a lockout in 2011 do you think peppers will allow a few minimun salary player camp out in his mansion..jkjkjk
Lombardi
was saying that DEs get more money that interior
dlineman, so he expects for Peppers to get more than FAT albert, if the Skins sign him.
I will laugh.
They will put themselves in cap Hell if they end up doing that.
Ready for some baseball.
I'd much rather...
…the Bears get into a bidding war with the Giants over Rolle. If he isn’t going to end up as a Cowboys, I really don’t want to have to face him twice a year.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 4, 2010 11:50 PM CST up reply actions
Does he want to be a 3-4 OLB?
I can’t imagine he’d go to WAS to play DE in a 3-4.
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
by APerfectStar on Mar 4, 2010 11:11 PM CST up reply actions
When they hired Jim Haslett.
Peppers said a couple of years ago he wanted to be a 3-4 OLB if memory serves me correct.
Well that's been rumored to be in the plans for next season
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
by APerfectStar on Mar 4, 2010 11:15 PM CST up reply actions
Yup. This Washington Post article discusses what they need to do to transition to a 34.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/02/AR2010030203762.html
BTB League Consolation Ladder Champ...thought you knew.
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 5, 2010 6:14 AM CST up reply actions
since when did Shannahan have 3-4 Defenses? Seems like Denver switched to a 3-4 right after he was fired
by AustonianAggie on Mar 5, 2010 9:01 AM CST up reply actions
Hes not getting out of Chicago...
They have no first or second round pick to acquire a true starter so they will break the bank for him..
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
i like Atogwe and Rolle
but Rolle may be a little over priced. thing is that in this FA environment you can count on that price coming down
When has Peppers ever damaged Dallas?
Marc Colombo has handled him several times, once on a bad ankle. So has Flozell.
Maybe not us
But I watched him manhandle a couple teams this year(what a surprise, contract year) and I have always been impressed with him, except when he plays dallas. Thats a good thing!
Completely agree.
He for some reason just does not scare me.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
agreed, but i'd perfer that to
rolle and landry, Peppers is so old and he has dropped off a bit the last few years
Landry
Is a RW clone, garbage
Michael Irvin to Keyshawn Johnson "I know where me and Rice belong on the top ten receivers of all time list, but who do you have in the bottom 8?"
Please!
I saw that the Giants were preparing a ‘mega-offer’ !
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 4, 2010 11:51 PM CST up reply actions
Bears dropped out of Rolle
sweepstakes, so doesnt look good, Redskins are another team rumored to be in on it.
I'd even be ok with that.
The Redskins can upgrade all they want in free agency because they have farther to climb to catch up with the rest of the NFC Beast.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 4, 2010 11:58 PM CST up reply actions
Well if anyone around here wants any chance of Earl Thomas falling
the first step is for the Giants to find a different route to go.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
And they're off
Midnight ET! let the games begin!
READY SET CHILL!!!
Thats what we always do and still seem to get what we need when we need it!!!
"No room for toe dippers....."
the sensi pickup last year was an absolute homerun
hopefully something similar will happen this year. my wish list,
a bargain priced Jamal Williams
a few extra picks due to the signing of an RFA or two
a new contract for Austin
Atogwe Oshiomogho (since it seems Rolle is looking to break the bank)
a solid backup veteran CB got on the cheap like Ken Lucas
Pouency
Id love all that
I think with the Big time receivers out there, I would like one of those too please.
yeah, with our track record, even he would come in and underacheive
How about we give them Roy, Barber, and a 3rd. Yeah thats it, if they agreed to that i would start rooting for the Chargers too, lol.
Boldin can be had for a 3rd.
I’d do it. Then pay both Austin and Boldin whatever Roy is getting. I wouldn’t be opposed to just cutting Roy and pretending it never happened as well. I do it in my head all the time.
We talked about this earlier
He is 30, injury prone, and going to want money, not to mention he has never been that fast. I am on board with cutting RW11.
I wouldn't.
We gave up a 1,3 and 6 for Roy. Just a 3 for someone as potentially dominating as Boldin doesn’t seem like much to me.
I don’t care about the contracts either, I don’t think the salary cap is coming back and it’s not my money.
yeah i know it is alot less but that guy has a number of issues against him
his metrics vs anything aside from bad corners are horrible
he has a bad injury history
he wants money
he has allways been slow
he is on the downside of his career
Yeah
it’s a 3rd. Or two 4th’s. Maybe even Stephen McGee or Kitna could be trade bait for the Cardinals. 30 isn’t that old for a WR though and we are ready to win now. No way could we get someone as good as Boldin with a 3rd.
BOLDIN
and roy are the same player…statistically..glorified number 2s. Raf had a piece on it some years back.
"No room for toe dippers....."
well a few years ago
Roy was a good wide receiver. His numbers have been significantly worse the last couple of years.
But come on. Boldin in the slot would be tearing it up.
Roy
in the slot might be good!!! Im telling you there is compelling evidence that demonstrates there production against the same level of talent and it was equal neither one of those guys won there battles against the RED corners
"No room for toe dippers....."
But how did they do against the Blue Meanies
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
by APerfectStar on Mar 4, 2010 11:52 PM CST up reply actions
Then we would stop the progress of KO
I think PC is about to be in the last year of his deal, I like Marshall, and many others more than Boldin. We are asking for it, picking him up. If jerry trades for another WR, he better be the most sure fire thing you could possibly imagine.
Giants apparently
set to offer Rolle 8 mil a year.
Shaun Rogers being used as trade bait.
I would take him and Jamall Williams. That would be a mean Goal line D.
Rogers would make me very happy.
He’s still a monster.
yup, he could line up in spears spot if
we are insistant on leaving Jay up the middle, but Rogers really collapses the pocket. Rat will get his no matter where he is at IMO.
if rodgers comes to dallas you can pretty much guarantee spears is gone
i doubt it happens though, plus i think squidlo’s rule regarding “no jerks” makes me hesitant
Yeah I know
I just remember playing him last year, and astonished at how much push up the middle he would get. I think he could be an ASSet, but Im not holding my breathe.
He's got the same issue as Peppers.
He doesn’t give you consistent effort. In fact, he’s worse because a lot of times he’s out of shape and can’t finish games strong.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 4, 2010 11:53 PM CST up reply actions
He definitely is not an every down player
I know that. We saw him huffin and puffin on the sidelines it seemed every other series.
ugh Texas player
I don’t like Texas and Florida players. I don’t know what it is about those organizations. They consistently produce underachievers.
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
It's because they let people major in Keg Stands.
Still, it’s not like they don’t have talented players coming out. They just have a lot more so there are more busts to point to.
Exactly.
the said can be said about every other major school.
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 7:41 AM CST up reply actions
MIN fans must be thrilled to hear that
The dude that destroyed their OL now in the division.
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
by APerfectStar on Mar 4, 2010 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
Never watch Rams games
How good is Atogwe?
He gets TOs like crazy, but is he actually good in coverage?
by Cowboysaficionado on Mar 4, 2010 11:19 PM CST reply actions
He's a 90 in Madden.
If that means anything. Can’t say, watching the Rams play football has been very difficult the last few years.
well technically Roy Williams is worth a first and a third
Marshall is only worth a first
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
Don't forget the two Pats from the '06 draft
McQ and Watkins. No two players got more hype from Parcells than those two.
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
seriously though
we could get some value for Roy in a trade like that, the broncs would need to get a receiver in return in a trade for marshall. Maybe Roy and a legit player like Bennet
thats too much IMO
we could give them a 3rd or something like that along with Roy. I think Bennett alone, could be an even swap. I am very confident in Phillips to not let any production go to waste at the second TE position.
I just want to get roy the hell outa here
dude is a bad example of how not to earn your paycheck. that said, i am sure he will be around next year and i hope he proves me wroung
MAYBE HE SHOULD CHANGE HIS NAME!
Sheesh, who knew the solution was that simple, ROY UNOUNO, there you go.
Why Brandon Marshall?
Dude was benched by his coach twice last year and has a history of emo problems.
No thanks.
BTB League Consolation Ladder Champ...thought you knew.
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 5, 2010 6:17 AM CST up reply actions
I'm saying the same thing...
Love him for fantasy football but I don’t want him to wear a star.
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 7:42 AM CST up reply actions
Do it, Do it, Do it
I dont think they are that dumb, but if they take roy and a 3rd I would do that too.
Damn.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 4, 2010 11:54 PM CST up reply actions
Google news search Antrel Rolle.
A few articles from rotoworld and NY papers suggesting a very big deal is going to be offered to Rolle, meeting his $8 million/year demands.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 5, 2010 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
I want a good FS
but to be honest how good can he be, if him Big Daddy Wilson and DRC are in that secondary, and they were just plain crappy?
Ill take atogwe in a heartbeat.
I'm not sure about last year.
But he would answer the pretty glaring need for more turnovers in the secondary. He has the reputation of being a little too much of a gambler sometimes, but he is still pretty good despite that. Plus, any guy who gets a lot of turnovers probably fits that category (hello Asante Samuel).
It’s hard to tell if he’s worth that money because he’s a safety, not a CB, but he would fill out their secondary pretty nicely. They would be a MLB and some D-line draft reinforcements from being really good on defense again.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 5, 2010 12:17 AM CST up reply actions
He's good.
I don’t know that I would give him $8 million a year, but he’s pretty good.
Ready for some baseball.
Yeah, that's kind of my stance.
Depends on the number of years I guess, but I think that’s going to be high (5-6), too. If it were 4 years, $6 million, I’d be sold.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 5, 2010 12:24 AM CST up reply actions
We had over 900 earlier at Lone Star Ball.
For the Rangers first Spring Training game. The game wasn’t even televised, lol.
Ready for some baseball.
I'd be surprised if Spears doesn't get traded. DMN blog makes a good point
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/03/cowboys-marcus-spears-on-the-hot-seat.html
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
If Hatcher and Bowen are making more than Spears
then I think that is a good indication of things to come
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
I understand what we're doing
but its still kind of surprising. If we don’t get offers, all we’ve managed to do is piss off our starting caliber 3-4 DE.
Yeah probably the guy
that wanted to pick him with the 11th pick instead of Ware, will take him at that price.
Dallas has what, four DL with tenders?
They’re going to trade one of Spears or Bowen, IMO. But, doing that put DE much, much higher on their wish list next month.
I think it will be spears
because he has more value IMO. I think he could actually get better, but he hasnt proven much more than Canty, and we could be cutting weight at the right time again.
bowen have 3 sacks this year in limited time
I think that kind of flew under the radar. Pretty impressive when you think about it.
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
He played almost completely on 3rd-down nickel and dime packages though.
BTB League Consolation Ladder Champ...thought you knew.
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 5, 2010 6:19 AM CST up reply actions
Canty was much better than Spears
Spears has shown next to nothing since he’s been here. Easily the weakest link on our Defense. I would be happy giving Bowen a change to hold down that starting spot.
Spears hasn't been that bad though.
He’s a good 3-4 end in this league, her offers no pass rush but he’s a decent 3-4 end.
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 8:59 AM CST up reply actions
Spears ranks 25th out of 39 3-4 DEs
according to Pro Football Focus. Olshansky, Hatcher and Bowen all rank higher. Oddly, they rank 11th, 12th and 13th all in a row, statistically. Those three guys are ranked as having a positive affect on the game with Spears having a negative affect. In run support (where Spears is supposed to be strongest) he’s ranked 32nd out of 39 players. he doesnt really do anything well. I would have put a 2nd round tender on him and begged someone to take him. (Or can we not do that since he was a 1st round pick?)
He's really that bad?
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
I think they will part with Spears
He’ll bring the most in return and the Cowboys must feel that Hatcher, Bowen, and maybe Marcus Dixon can adequately fill the void. In addition, they must like the crop of 3-4 Ends in the draft (which looks fairly deep), and gives them another option to replace Spears.
Possible 3-4 Ends in the draft:
Jared Odrick, Alex Carrington, Arthur Jones, Tyson Alualu, Lamaar Houston, Mike Neal, Vince Ogobaase, Corey Wootten, Linval Joseph, CJ Wilson, …you get the idea…a bunch.
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
We just have a doulbe a team in corpus
so maybe thats why, I guess, Nah I stopped playing baseball at 10 and played football from 6-18 that probably has more to do with it.
Between Peppers and Cutler
the Bears will have two of the more overrated nfl players in the last 5 years.
Martz, Cutler and one of the worst weather stadiums in the nfl
yea, THATS gonna work out well.
It makes since think about it
they need a big receiver for Cutler, and they don’t have premium draft picks, and Roy had his best years under Martz. It’s going to happen! (please god)
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
Yeah..
…maybe ‘underachieving’ would be a better term. Supremely talented, but never quite reach their capabilities.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 4, 2010 11:55 PM CST up reply actions
Hmm...Rolle is in Miami tonight.
Could they beat the Giants to the punch? Come on Parcells, you can do it!
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
I would rather the Giants signed him. They are one of the teams that are looking at Earl Thomas and if they sign Rolle they won’t draft him.
Too many possible roadblocks for Thomas to get to Dallas
Went over this with a U.T. friend today:
1. the Giants could take him;
2. The Texans could take him
3. The Eagles could take him;
4. The Ravens could take him. Ed Reed was musing about retiring.
He’s Luke Skywalker’s single shot and the Cowboys are the air vent in the death star at this point.
Agreed.
They’d have to trade up. Even though the Texans need a CB more than a S, I think that Thomas being from UT combined with where the next tier of CBs seem to be getting rated suggest that Thomas would be the pick there. They could go RB, but I’m wondering if they’ll wait until at least the second.
Also, I have a feeling the Eagles are going to end up with a player that we want…just a weird hunch.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 5, 2010 12:07 AM CST up reply actions
that's the down side of giving a team the beat-down 3 times in one season
they get to pick in front of you.
Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK
Ahahaha!
I love it! It’s crazy to think they would be 13-3 if they had swept us instead of us sweeping them.
Then again, it’s crazy to think you could say the same thing about the Cowboys and Giants.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 5, 2010 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
If the Giants sign Rolle I doubt they would draft a safety. Phillips should be back next season. If falls past them then the move up is shorter. The Texans are at 20, Eagles and Ravens are at 24 and 25. Ideally if he fell past Houston then we could move up in front of Philly by giving up our 1st and 2nd. Hopefully we get a 2nd back for Spears so it wouldn’t hurt much.
maybe, but they'll have to feel he's really special to justify a move up
Burnett, Allen and Major Wright can play too and a trade up to the mid-2nd might get one of the first two. they might get Wright standing pat in the 2nd.
the news that Mays has the 49ers and the Seahawks buzzing is good news
they have double picks in the 1st and if they force him, then getting Thomas past the Texans would get the phones buzzing in Dallas.
The scuttlebutt is the Texans are looking for Thomas and a big time running back. They might have their choice at 18.
The Eagles could take him but Brandon Graham has to be their prime target, I’m thinking. They need a pass rusher badly.
I’d look at Baltimore, especially if they get a FA receiver in the next week. Dallas might have to play ’08 all over again and move up to 24 to get their guy.
DAAAAMN OLB
at least make him an ILB, unless you are talking 43 then I guess the Will backer would be fine, he weight more than Kevin Burnnett.
I think Mays should move to OLB in a 4-3 defense. He’s big, fast and a good tackler but he’s not that good in coverage.
ok makes more sense
probably not a bad idea either. I doubt seattle is looking to do that, with tatopu(sp?) and curry.
I think Burnett should be the answer IMO
I’d be very happy to see the Cowboys move up in the second round to get him, I hope they don’t sleep on him like they did with Louis Delmas.
by Cowboysaficionado on Mar 5, 2010 12:16 AM CST up reply actions
they didn't sleep on Delmas
he was just too four out of their reach. They picked what, 53rd? he went 33rd. And they didn’t have a 1st, so they didn’t have trade up ammunition in that draft.
But what do you think about Burnett?
Is he a big drop off from Earl Thomas?
by Cowboysaficionado on Mar 5, 2010 12:43 AM CST up reply actions
Don't forget the Steelers
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Good point
That said, say we did sign a FA safety, whos to say we dont draft Burnett or Allen Still?
If we sign someone I doubt we draft another safety. Allen and Burnett are both good players but neither would start over Sensabaugh and whoever we signed.
If Rolle to Giants - does Earl Thomas fall to Dallas?
Yeah, I posted the same idea earlier. I think I’m now rooting for Rolle to NY.
Word out of Miami is that Gibril Wilson will get cut
I dont say this because I want him, but to say that if Miami doesnt end up with Rolle, and they get Dansby in FA, they may take a hard look at Earl Thomas in the draft.
As you can tell, I think Thomas falling to Dallas is our best scenario.
Assuming he can recapture what he was.
He’s going to get targeted an awful lot across from Revis.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 5, 2010 12:07 AM CST up reply actions
He must have A LOT of off field baggage
To fall from being considered a top10-15 CB to being traded for the equivalent of a 4th, sounds like the Chargers were happy to be rid of him.
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
His 7 illegitimate kids literally require a lot of baggage.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Yep
It wasn’t so long ago that DRC jumped into the top of 1st round solely because of a fast 40 and the fact that he was Antonio’s cousin.
I'm interested to see if AC's tackling gets better.
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 7:44 AM CST up reply actions
He was awesome for one year
he had 10 ints, and made some huge plays on Peyton Manning in a play off game. I don’t know what happened to him, I think he can be good again, assuming he still has the physical tools
by AustonianAggie on Mar 5, 2010 9:22 AM CST up reply actions
Well...
he’ll get plenty of chances to intercept balls this year with Revis on the other side.
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 9:25 AM CST up reply actions
Intersting on Marshall
Peter King tweets the Ravens are scared of giving him a big deal and
will go after Kevin Walter or Boldin instead.
I think the asking price is too high right now
Everyone knows that the broncos are not content with Marshall, and Marshall is not content with them.
I was thinking the same thing...
…driving home from work today.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 5, 2010 12:12 AM CST up reply actions
honestly, thats kind of what I have been thinking
You never know what Jerry is saying or what he means.
it would be too good to be true
we would have to include another player of real value. unless the draft rolls on by and they get desperate
I think teams have learned...
…that no matter how talented the WR, their bad attitudes can make them not worth it. It seemed like there had been a thought that if these guys had a change of scenery, they could realize their potential without the extracurricular nonsense…but it hasn’t seem to work out that way.
Maybe Ray Lewis could put him in his place, but there’s a lot of young guys on that team, especially offense, that might not have the locker room cred yet to handle Marshall properly.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 5, 2010 12:15 AM CST up reply actions
what about marlin?
I just read that Marlin Jackson wasnt tendered. would he be a good fit at safety?
I'd rather have Sensi and Hamlin.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 5, 2010 12:15 AM CST up reply actions
Step away from the Hamlin GB04
jk
Dont know where Terry is, but he would be arguing that Michael Hamlin is the answer…..pffft
He fine so far
but I dont think from the sample size you could call him the heir apparent. People some times speak as if its a forgone conclusion, that Mike Hamlin will be a pro bowl safety. I would be so glad, if he could prove me wrong.
For the Atogwe lovers...
…looks like the Rams have first right of refusal on him, offering him a $1.26 million deal. The reason he’s ‘available’ is because they don’t want to pay him $6+ million this year. But they have the right to match any contract until April 15th and I imagine they would match a $3.8 million contract. I could be wrong though. Again, I think it’s a marginal upgrade over what the Cowboys already have for the price.
Also, Scouts inc rated him as a 67 on a scale to 100, which would put him in a tie for 38th best safety. They rated Hamlin as a 75, good for 10th. But that was going into last season and is just one agency’s take (associated with ESPN, available to Insiders).
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
Good stats
That said, look who Hamlin gets to play with, and look at OJ.
I mean our front 7 is awesome, our corners are very good(except when Newman decides to admire himself) and Sensi, is probably the best Safety we have had since DW. He has made a name for himself in that Sh**hole. I would be elated to have him.
Ken Hamlin was every bit as good as Sensi his first year
by AustonianAggie on Mar 5, 2010 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
I think Sensi would have had an even better year...
if didn’t have a cast on his hand most of the year.
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
Atogwe vs Hamlin part deux
From Pro Football Focus:
Atogwe: 761 snaps, 56 tackles, 3 missed tackles, 31 times thrown at, 67.7% completion, 205 yards against, 0 TD, 2 INT, 2 Passes defensed, 59.2 QB rating against.
Hamlin: 723 snaps, 39 tackles, 2 missed tackles, 15 times thrown at, 60.0% completion, 165 yards against, 1 TD, 0 INT, 2 Passes defensed, 120.1 QB rating against.
15 times and 31 times thrown at.
That’s a small sample size to base a QB rating against off of.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 5, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Rolle gets offer from Miami.
5 years, but less than $8 million, which is what he is looking for. Giants rumored to give it to him.
Sun-Sentinel
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
In Florida you don't have to pay state taxes though right?
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 7:45 AM CST up reply actions
Correct!
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Mar 5, 2010 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
Washington's going for Chad Clifton
Put QB at the top of their wish list at 4 then? Shanahan is saying all the right things about Campbell but I think he’ll get his QB if he has the chance.
Good lord this is the exciting time of the year for Redskins fans haha.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Better than going to the playoffs for them?
Instead of eagerly anticipating their team making the playoffs each season, Foreskins fans wait for their team to waste away huge payoffs ;)
It's like their draft!
Hogs Haven is blowing up!
BTB League Consolation Ladder Champ...thought you knew.
by Aaron Novinger on Mar 5, 2010 6:23 AM CST up reply actions
Jake Delhomme got released....
That was a really silly longterm deal with Carolina.
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 7:46 AM CST reply actions
Does anyone know about DE.....
Dwan Edwards from Baltimore?
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 7:59 AM CST reply actions
i asked that
Same question last night, nobody responded. I was thinking if he was any good, he could be a replacement for spears.
by TONYINCC on Mar 5, 2010 8:13 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well he started with Baltimore last year and pushed Pryce out of the starting lineup....
but I’m sure Baltimore is probably going to pursue him.
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 8:19 AM CST up reply actions
Random comment...
I hope Gregg Olsen gets traded so that the NFL can actually see him catch passes.
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 8:01 AM CST reply actions
That being said...
If the Bears trade him, you could look at them at one of the worst 1st round drafting teams in the past 5 years.
Last year they threw tons of picks for the savior Jay Cutler, in the same year they traded a 2nd for the late Gaines Adams, who with no disrespect wasn’t doing that much in TB.
The year before they got Chris Williams, whom has been eh.
In 2007 they got Olsen, whom it looks is going to be traded.
In 2006 they didn’t have a first round pick.
In 2005 they drafted Cedric Benson who turned into a good back…with Cincy.
2004 was the last big 1st rounder with Tommie Harris.
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 8:12 AM CST up reply actions
Funny, Dave Wandstadt blamed busting first rounders on one of the reasons his Chicago teams were bad
1998 5 Curtis Enis RB Penn State
1997 No Pick —
1996 13 Walt Harris CB Mississippi State
1995 21 Rashaan Salaam RB Colorado
1994 11 John Thierry LB Alcorn State
1993 7 Curtis Conway
by AustonianAggie on Mar 5, 2010 9:38 AM CST up reply actions
Yep...
they have a bad history with first rounders in general since the 90’s.
I bet they are up there with other teams with some of the worst in the league.
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 10:04 AM CST up reply actions
Yep..
they had good solid late rounders and did well in FA.
I think I’d take solidly being in the hunt every year to just making one SB.
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
its pretty amazing how One And Done that team was – made one superbowl and then they were finished
by AustonianAggie on Mar 5, 2010 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
That was a weird season for them though...
remember they had an insane amount of turnovers. Like weird turnovers, strips and stuff.
Also when your best chance for points is your return man, that is probably not great.
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Certain photos copyright © 2012 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
