Free Agency Friday for the Other Beasts in the NFC East
Update 3: Eldorado Owens to the Bengals?
Update 2A -- What's with the Aaron Kampman? Mike Lombardi just tweeted that he's NOT visiting the Eagles.
Update Two -- Via Jay Glazer's Twitter: Julius Peppers taking a physical in Chicago. Aaron Kampman detouring from Seattle to visit the Eagles.
Divisional Updates:
-- The NFL Networks' Jason LaCanfora tweets that the Eagles and Patriots have offers out for DE Julius Peppers, but ESPN's Adam Schefter tweets that he should become a Bear this afternoon, barring an unforseen breakdown in contract talks.
-- The Giants are bidding for Antrel Rolle, but can they beat the Dolphins? The Miami Herald's Armando Salguero tweets that he's heard from the player's agent that S Gibril Wilson will be released today. Is one more related to the other?
-- The Redskins hare hosting OT Tony Pashos. Don't know if this is in addition to, or as an alternative for Packers LT Chad Clifton, also a player of interest. We're seeing the immediate hand of Bruce Allen at Redskins Park. He's locked Dan Snyder's big checkbook away and turned from targets like Julius Peppers to more practical players who can bolster his team's emaciated offensive line.
While all may be quiet on the Cowboys' front for now, all else is crazy on Free Agency Friday. In the last 48 hours, players have been released, the restricted tender deadline has passed, and a slew of free agents hit the open market.
The Julius Peppers sweepstakes are on. Chicago has reportedly offered him a fat deal, but his agent, Carl Carey, says they may still check out Philadelphia today.
"Chicago will be our first visit and we don’t want them looking over their shoulder worrying about other teams right now," Carey said. "They were the first to call and they’ve made us a ballpark offer and it’s good enough to where we’ll make a visit. Pending the outcome of that visit we may visit with Philadelphia and see where we are from there."
More Beasts in the East after the jump.
Philadelphia Eagles (9-4)
6-2 Home, 5-3 Road
4-2 in the NFC East
So, if the Eagles don't land Peppers, could then they go after Aaron Kampman?
With the clock inching toward midnight Thursday the Eagles apparently are pursuing a defensive end in free agency.But the target is Aaron Kampman, not ultimate prize Julius Peppers, according to a report in the Chicago Sun-Times.
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On the plus side Kampman is eager to get back into a 4-3 defense, where he’s most comfortable playing strong side end, after playing out of position as a 3-4 linebacker.
The Green Bay Packers reportedly offered him a deal averaging $5 million to stay.
Other names being thrown out there:
The Eagles also may be interested in Arizona safety Antrel Rolle, Houston cornerback Dunta Robinson, Indianapolis linebacker Gary Brackett, and Minnesota running back Chester Taylor.
Brackett, though, has reached a deal that will keep him with the Colts.
The Eagles' RFA tenders:
| WR Jason Avant | Second-Round Level |
| G/C Nick Cole | Second-Round Level |
| LB Omar Gaither | Original-Round Level (Fifth-Round) |
| LB Chris Gocong | Original-Round Level (Third-Round) |
| CB Ellis Hobbs | First-Round Level |
| G Max Jean-Gilles | Original-Round Level (Fourth-Round) |
| LB Akeem Jordan | Second-Round Level |
| P Sav Rocca | Right Of First Refusal |
| TE Alex Smith | No Tender Offered |
| FB Leonard Weaver | Second-Round Level |
Leonard Weaver is expected to sign an extension today.

Washington Redskins (4-12)
3-5 Home, 1-7 Road
0-6 in the NFC East
Packers LT Chad Clifton will be in Washington visiting the Redskins today. His agent was in Redskins Park last night.
Clifton is weighing whether to return to Green Bay or sign with a new team after receiving an offer worth approximately $5 million a year from the Packers. Clifton is hoping for somewhere closer to $7 million per season with at least $20 million in the first three years of any deal.
The Redskins began the free agency period yesterday by cutting 10 players.
Gone are backup quarterback Todd Collins, receiver Antwaan Randle El, guard Randy Thomas, kick returner Rock Cartwright, cornerback Fred Smoot, running back Ladell Betts and defensive tackle Cornelius Griffin. Their contracts were terminated.
Also exiting via waivers: Running back Marcus Mason, fullback Eddie Williams and defensive end J.D. Skolnitsky.
The team then re-signed C Casey Rabach to a three-year, $12.3 million deal.
With the defense's potential switch to the 3-4 alignment, you have to expect Dan Snyder to start spending some cash.
While Shanahan says he'll run the best defense he can with the personnel available, he'll begin this week seeking out the pieces that will enable him to run his preferred style. He could find some of those players on the free-agent market.
Had the Chargers not placed such a high tender on RB Darren Sproles, Washington and Philly would have been two of the first teams knocking on his door.
The Chargers had initially announced that they would not tender Sproles, which would've made him an unrestricted free agent, and it was believed the Redskins might pursue him. Washington was one of four teams Sproles had planned to visit this weekend, according to the Union-Tribune. The others were Kansas City, St. Louis and Philadelphia.
Chris Samuels' retirement does not mean he is finished being a Redskin. The 10-year veteran will begin learning the nuances of coaching beginning once camps begin.
He'll be on the Redskins' staff as a part of the Bill Walsh Minority Fellowship and his internship will run through minicamps, organized team activities and training camp. Keenan McCardell, the Redskins' new wide receivers coach, went through the program last year with the Giants.
The Redskins' RFA tenders:
DT Lorenzo Alexander--Right of first refusal (no compensation required)
QB Jason Campbell--Received first-round tender ($3.1 million)
S Reed Doughty--Received second-round tender ($1.759 million)
DT Kedric Golston --Received second-round tender ($1.759 million)
OT Stephon Heyer--Received second-round tender ($1.759 million)
LB Rocky McIntosh--Received second-round tender ($1.759 million)
DT Anthony Montgomery --Received fifth-round tender
G Will Montgomery --Received seventh-round tender
CB Carlos Rogers--Received first-round tender $1.542 million)
LB Chris Wilson--Received second-round tender ($1.759 million)

New York Giants (8-8)
4-4 Home, 4-4 Road
4-2 in the NFC East
The biggest name linked to the Giants right now is S Antrell Rolle; he will reportedly visit the Meadowlands today. They look as if they have to first outbid the Dolphins.
According to another source, the Dolphins offered the safety a five-year contract Thursday evening, shortly after the Cardinals released him to avoid paying a $4 million roster bonus. However, the Dolphins' offer was under the $8 million per year Rolle is seeking. The New York Giants are expected to offer that much when Rolle is expected to visit Friday morning.
The Giants' RFA tenders:
The Giants announced today they have tendered one-year contracts to restricted free agents DT Barry Cofield, WR Domenick Hixon, DE Dave Tollefson, WR Sinorice Moss, LB Gerris Wilkinson, WR Derek Hagan, OL Guy Whimper, OL Kevin Boothe and DB C.C. Brown. Cofield, Hixon and Tollefson received second round tenders.
Moss, Wilkinson, Hagan, Whimper and Boothe received an original round tender, and Brown received a Right of First Refusal tender.
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The Giants have also tendered one-year contracts to three Exclusive Rights players: RB D.J. Ware, TE Scott Chandler and DB D.J. Johnson.

After all the dust clears, perhaps we will see Dallas shore up some positions with a free agent or two. Yesterday, they tendered all their RFAs except for K Shaun Suisham. Though, as Raf points out, the NFL may be on the verge of a major swap meet.
With the Cowboys offering second round tenders to Marcus Spears, Jason Hatcher, and Stephen Bowen, 3-4 teams know where to look for a young DE.
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have to do something.....you dont get better by doing nothing
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
You get better by doing your homework and picking your shots...
remember the free agents we signed last year? Hit on every one and we didn’t break the bank in doing it…There will be more cuts in the coming days and weeks.
Bingo.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 10:44 AM CST up reply actions
agreed, but they need to move on Jamal Williams. He would give us what we are missing in the middle..
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I like Williams at the right price, but is he willing to play a backup role?
Will he take a 1-2 year contract?
I think so
he knows Wades defense so it make alot of sense.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I wouldn't speak so fast, the Chargers wanted to keep him at a lower pay and reduced role...
there is a reason he balked at their offer. If you are willing to take that lower deal here, why not stay where you were…players only leave when they are not wanted or they get more from a new team.
Antoine Cason was about to beat him out too.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
woops
wrong post haha
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
With the demand for NTs these days . . .
I just get the feeling he may get a big contract. Worth a shot though.
Once the dust settles
Do you see us then making moves? It would be nice to see Jerry throw out some money for one of the “big” (i say that loosely besides Peppers) guys…. I would really like to see us grab that kid from Baltimore…. Maybe we will get some 2nd round picks from the aforementioned players… Who knows… I just dont want to see us sit on our hands here.
I'd actually like to see us sit on our hands for a little while.
Last offseason the Cowboys were very patient and brought in some good FA players without throwing around boatloads of cash. I just think it’s a smarter way of investing your personnel dollars. Since they did such a good job last year, I’ll trust that they know what they’re doing this time around, too.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
I hope the gints pick up dunta and give him a fat contract it will be Chis Canty all over again, a guy
with injury issues who is overrated and will not do much.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
The Falcons look to be the front runner for him right now.
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/35716943/ns/sports-player_news/
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 5, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I forgot about that, oh well, I was hoping the tex-anns would have kept him so miles could burn his butt when
they play them this year.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
Isn't this year a little different, usually a capped year the FA have to get their deal done ASAP to get at the
available cap cash that has not been committed to get the best deal. The longer a FA waited the lower the contract value, but this year with no cap I wonder if the same idea applies?
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
We should stoke the fires
by showing some interest and at least increasing the asking price for the Eagles (Peppers) and Giants (Rolle).
id be cool w that
But if they know we are in the bidding war they may shy away.
by TONYINCC on Mar 5, 2010 10:11 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
kyle vanden bosch
Signed w the lions.
by TONYINCC on Mar 5, 2010 10:15 AM CST via mobile reply actions
any clue on money? He’s more reliable than Julius Peppers
by AustonianAggie on Mar 5, 2010 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
I don't know whats garuaunteed, and he's getting older
but I think thats a steal, he really energizes a defense. Glad he didn’t go to an NFC East team. Would of been funny if Snyder had reunited him with Haynesworth. But thankfully Snyder wants the most expensive guy he can find
by AustonianAggie on Mar 5, 2010 10:31 AM CST up reply actions
The Eagles dont normally pay players on the bad side of 30
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
PFT.Com has a article up saying we were one of the 8 teams pursuing Cromartie...
knew it…Maybe they were thinking safety for him
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I doubt it...
He didn’t tackle as a corner, and he supposedly hates zone coverage.
That would really make playing a safety hard.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Here’s Jamal Williams stat line -
year team games sacks tackles
2004 Chargers 15 4 16 0 0 0 32
2005 Chargers 16 0 0 0 0 0 53
2006 Chargers 16 2 0 0 0 0 69
2007 Chargers 13 0 0 0 0 0 39
2008 Chargers 16 1.5 5 0 0 0 56
2009 Chargers 1 0 0 0 0 0 3
career Total 148 13 29 1 14 0 394
1.5 Sacks, I thought he was a back field disruptor? Anyway, I don’t see how he’d signifigantly improve over Siavi at this point. Jamal Williams was at his best in 2004, 5 and 6. Would he improve our back up NT spot by a value worth 2.5 million a year?
OMG....he would be such an upgrade over Siavi...you kidding me...
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
He'd be an upgrade...
if he’s healthy.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 10:52 AM CST up reply actions
How old is he?
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
I would think 31 at least....he has 12 years in the league
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Depends on if he would want a backup role and how much money.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
I think he would....can't underestimate the Wade connection..
those guys loved him when he was with SD…Williams is not a starter at this point in his career.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
yeah
I agree, but you never know with ego and everything.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
we want our back up to play 15 to 20 plays a game; would Jamal Williams at 34, 350 lbs, really effect the out come of games at a signifigantly higher rate than Siavi?
by AustonianAggie on Mar 5, 2010 10:54 AM CST up reply actions
definitely
jamal williams would play more snaps than siavii, due to the ability to play him 30 snaps, and move ratliff around on the line.. not just to be spelled
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Ratliff may really be his best at NT
and not at DE, where he’d face more athletic blockers
by AustonianAggie on Mar 5, 2010 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
not talking of a permanent switch
where that assessment is mos def valid…
but as a change of pace, cause confusion for the offensive line, the ability to swing rat outsid and still have a take on two blockers space eating DT on the field can only improve the defense. siavii doesn’t do that.
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Looking at sacks...
…for a player of his style is silly. He’s a great space-eating, run-stopping NT for a 3-4. Well, he was…not I’m not sure with the injuries. I’d be very interested in him as a backup though.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
C'mon Jerry!!!
We need to make something happen quickly. Cromartie for a 3???? We could’ve used him…. Now Rolle is visiting the Giants? If they ink Rolle, i’ll be visiting Jerry to give him an azz whoopin’
He is going to do real good with Rex's style of defense believe me....
He wouldve flurished here under Wades style also….
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He might have.
For a third I think it was worth the risk, but I know that if he doesn’t tackle better, Ryan will get all over him.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
No brainer
For a 3rd rounder, I would’ve done it in a heartbeat…. not looking forward to seeing Newman giving 10 yard cushions.
I really hate the inactivity
He wasn't going to replace Newman right away anyways.
Stop freaking out.
It hasn’t been a whole day. I mean look at all the FA busts last year.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
I bet you Newman was going to the slot if they signed Cromartie
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Well there is no way of know that...
but I doubt it, Cromartie isn’t a better CB right now than newman on a play to play basis.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
I seriously doubt if they signed Cromartie he was playing the nickel...
Cromartie is too big to be a slot CB….I would bet my paycheck Newman wouldve been moved to the slot which, I think is best for him at this point in his career anyway, but we wont go there…. :)
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
You can go there...
based on the numbers you would be wrong, but that has never stopped you before.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Plus...
Newman moves to the slot sometimes anyways when they go to the nickel.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
not saying it would happen...
If it did happen im sure there would be an open competition for the 2nd CB position…Cromartie under Wades style would be better than Newman…IMO
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
He still needs to tackle better...
or Rex Ryan is going to eat him up.
Newman didn’t tackle great last year either, but AC made him look like Ray Lewis.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 11:09 AM CST up reply actions
Cromartie hasn't exactly been lighting it up the past 2 years after his breakout 2007.
So we cleaned house last year, and now we’re trying to bring in trash, again?
He went down hill once Wade left...
I think a change of teams and style of defense will do him good…
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
And just because
You have played for Wade before does not make you a Wade guy.
If Wade wanted AC here, we would have been here, considering it only took a 3rd rounder…
Anomoly............Finally here.........
never know, but they were interested from what the article said
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I thought AC was drafted after Wade was in Dallas
by AustonianAggie on Mar 5, 2010 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Nope, Wade coached in SD in Cromartie's breakout season.
See the trend here, Wade’s ex players generally want to play for Wade, because he puts them in a good position to succeed.
No he didn't.
AC broke out in 2007
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
Wait a minute...
that doesn’t make sense anyways.
Wade took over with Dallas in 2007, the SAME year that Cromartie busted out with SD.
So he isn’t really even a Wade guy.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 11:20 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah is rookie year...
but he didn’t bust out under him.
It’s not like Wade made him into a beast that year.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
No but Wade was
there when he was drafted…but why are we still talking about him……
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 5, 2010 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah I mean I get that...
but there if there is a perception that Cromartie fell off because Wade left, it would be false.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
SD still had the same basic defense the year after Wade left
I remember reading not to long ago that AC blamed his fall off on not being in a defense like Wades. But i’m fine with our CB’s we have now. honestly. You guys give newman a hard time, but he’s not a bad CB by any means. Everbody talks about him not being a good tackler, but I remember severall occasions thinking to myself “not to many cb’s would’ve came up and made that tackle in the run game” He’s a tiny guy, he’s not always going to be able to tackle everybody all the time. I mean he was 3rd on our team in solo tackles i believe
Michael Irvin to Keyshawn Johnson "I know where me and Rice belong on the top ten receivers of all time list, but who do you have in the bottom 8?"
Newman used to be a sure tackler...
He has had his moments, but he’s still better than AC.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
I agree, he has had his moments, but there was a few season there I was convinced he was a sure tackler
Michael Irvin to Keyshawn Johnson "I know where me and Rice belong on the top ten receivers of all time list, but who do you have in the bottom 8?"
Yeah Newman has declined in that area for sure...
as far as Cromartie…he wont need to tackle under Rexs system. All he needs to do is cover the opposing teams second best WR’s and he will be lights out for them.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
He won't need to tackle...
Are you serious?
I didn’t know there was a defensive system that allowed a corner to never tackle.
I say this because we’ve been doing this for a long time, but I think that BTB might need to start mandating drug tests.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
you have to think about the meaning of the statement...
If Cromartie is real good then he just needs to cover, not so much needing to be a great tackler. He wont be asked to do much run support…not saying tackling isnt important, but some systems utilize their CB’s where they dont need to be great tacklers.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
ie., Deion Sanders....
was a horrible tackler, but was a great cover CB…you dont have to be a great tackler to be a good CB…
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
.....
You said that Rex Ryans system meant it wouldn’t matter if he tackled or not.
And are we really going to meantion Deion Sanders in the same breath as this guy?
Deion SHUT people down. Even though Comartie had 10 ints, he never shut people down.
He never locked down WRS.
That is just insane that you would make that comparison.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
Really...
Revis is the best cover corner in the league and he still had 54 tackles last year.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 1:22 PM CST up reply actions
not saying he will never have to tackle...was exaggerrating..
but he wont need to be a great tackler if Rex can bring back the old Cromartie from 2007.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Well he better get alot better...
or Ronnie Brown and Ricky Wiliams are going to steam roll him.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 1:35 PM CST up reply actions
agreed...
I will add their defense shortly after Wade left changed from Man to Man to more zone….this was Cromarties main complaint
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Now that I get.
I think he’ll fit in good with Ryan, mainly because Ryan makes everyone look better, but I don’t really like the fact that it seems like he is making alot of excuses.
And while Ryan plays alot of man, it’s not like he won’t ever have to play zone, they aren’t going to strictly go man agains the Peyton Manning’s and Tom Brady’s of the world.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Also...
I think the Jets were way more desperate for a corner.
Dallas has three solid CB’s where the Jets have one great one and then a big pile of nothing.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 10:57 AM CST up reply actions
They released Lito Sheppard so they needed a CB...
but Im thinking they knew they were landing Cromartie before they cut him
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Lito Sheppard...
was aweful for them last year.
Unless he’s playing dallas he’s been pretty mediocre.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
He was bad...he got rosted in the playoff game if im remember right
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Bears making moves...Peppers nearly signed
The time is near.
Neil Hayes of the Chicago Sun-Times reports that Peppers is taking a physical in Chicago and a signing is imminent.
The only question left is how much money Peppers will earn. Hayes hears that Peppers will earn $12-14 million-per-year over six years, which is actually less than we imagined.
It’s all about the structure. We’d be surprised if Peppers doesn’t get the most guaranteed money for a defender in league history.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/05/report-peppers-taking-physical-deal-is-imminent/
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Giants signing Rolle would be great, they’ve been over paying for DBs for years, in the draft, and now in FA — hopefully
by AustonianAggie on Mar 5, 2010 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
6'2" and matching up with tall WRs
I don’t know if Cromartie would be good or bad.
I’ve always wondered why football teams don’t match-up corners on WR based on height. In hoops you’ll typically match up by height (pg on pg, sg on sg, sf on sf). I always wondered if that wouldn’t be a feasible strategy for football. If you have a Cromartie you put him on the tall WRs you face (e.g. Vincent Jackson, Sydney Rice, Moss, Malcolm Kelly). I’d love to see metrics on Cromartie against tall WR.
Anyway, I suspect $$$ is a factor. Whatever you allocate to your CBs (and we’ve already go T-New and Jenkins) is $$$ you can’t pay to another position. I don’t know if any team can afford to have 3 corners with multi-million dollar contracts.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 5, 2010 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
Well they do sometimes.
Remember Dallas would play Anthony Henry against Plaxico, and he faired pretty well.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 11:56 AM CST up reply actions
We made our moves already
We tendered everyone but Suisam. There isnt anyone out there that I couldnt live without. Build through the draft is the way to properly build a team. We arent the foreskins you know.
Yep, people always feel the grass is greener at their neighbors house, but most times the grass is growing pretty good
in one’s own front yard. Don’t be surprised when teams start making offers for our tendered players and willingly forking over draft picks.
My point exactly
I think we have a solid team in place. I dont need a bunch of big names that BSPN tells me are superstars.
I think someone should grab
one of our DEs, we have plenty and Dixon waiting in the wings…Also I think Spears has hit his ceiling, a good player but never dynamic
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 5, 2010 11:27 AM CST up reply actions
I think that's precisely Jerry's thought...he tendered Spears at an attractive level.
It’s not prohibitive for a team that needs a solid/proven/inexpensive 3-4 DE to fork over a second rounder. We got spare DE’s, and we could use the extra 2nd rounder to try to hit on an O Lineman.
2nd rd looks chock full of good prospects
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
NO, i think we may be
Going after some RFAs
by TONYINCC on Mar 5, 2010 10:56 AM CST via mobile reply actions
If anyone is like me
I’m just anxious to see who we get, there isn’t a name that really intrigues me but if I had to guess I would think we sign 2 maybe 3 players this year
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 5, 2010 10:57 AM CST reply actions
I think we’ll probably be suprised by the players we sign – like Kyle Kosier or Gerald Sensebaugh
by AustonianAggie on Mar 5, 2010 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
wow that was fast
Gibril wilson cut.
by TONYINCC on Mar 5, 2010 11:06 AM CST via mobile reply actions
No no no...
not just a bad contract, he hasn’t been very good.
He mad a big splash after the giants and then sucked with the Raiders, but because he was with the raiders everyone just thought, “oh it was because he was with the raiders” and the dolphins then turned around and unloaded on him, and he sucked with them.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
Because he sucked egges last year
the Miami Herald guys are doing cartwheels over his release. They thought he was THE weak link in the secondary last year.
Remember when we were all kind of hoping Dallas would make a play for him...
the year he went to the Raiders?
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
Sheepishly raising my hand
He always played well against Dallas
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
I did it too...
Everyone did.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 4:08 PM CST up reply actions
because he's horrible.
He has busted bad twice with the raiders and the dolphins.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 11:16 AM CST up reply actions
I'd think the Giants would try to resign him for cheap
he was pretty good with them, they need a safety, as they are looking at the over priced Rolle
by AustonianAggie on Mar 5, 2010 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
Sensi is better
so why do we need him…… Hell either Hamlin is better than him too
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 5, 2010 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Bottom Line...
…we can’t have Philly, Washington, and the Midgets improving while we sit around with our thumbs in our azz. Also, we have the toughest schedule next year, so we need to fill as many holes as possible.
Holes..... Hmmm
You guys are right, some can and will be addressed in the draft, but IMO, if you have a guy like Rolle out there, you get him and dump Hamlin. SD just cut Williams, I’d love to see the ‘Boys bring him in and slide Ratliff to end. Also, I wouldn’t be against bringing Anquan Boldin aboard.
I belive the OLine will be addressed in the draft….
I don't think Rolle is the game changer we want
esp for 8 mil a year when I expect a new cap to be in place by the start of next year, Williams if cleared by medical staff would be awesome tho, a nice cheap 2 year deal where he gets the incentive of trying to win a championship
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 5, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah....
AZ didn’t think he was worth 8 mil either.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
They could have tried and resigned him.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
I hear the Dolphins will get him.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 12:00 PM CST up reply actions
This sounds awfully familiar....
if you have a guy like Rolle out there, you get him and dump Hamlin
- Most ’Boys fans, crica ’07.
Ive seen Rolle enough to think he would be an upgrade over Hamlin
not saying he is worth 8 mil, but he would be an upgrade.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I believe Rolle represents an upgrade over Hamlin, as well...
However, I’d be much happier if we drafted a Safety, and saved $8mil a year. Rolle is good, but he’s not great. And $8mil a year is great-type money.
Right,
Remember, with no salary cap, if you give a good player a great deal, then the truly great players on your team, who are likely then making less than this guy, will all want new contracts.
You can unsettle your entire team if you don’t pay according to merit. The solid G won’t complain if Tony Romo gets a lot more than him, but if a S he sees as being no better than him is making three times as much, and this G has company in the locker room, you have a problem.
Raf
Do you have any info as to what the plans are with Austin?
I’d assume they’ll wait and see if he signs an offer sheet with another team, but if he doesn’t, are they gonna pay him? I’d assume the longer they wait, the better the odds are they can sign him to a better (Team-friendly) contract.
What major holes in the secondary are there?
There needs to be some upgrades at safety, but I don’t think that is a huge concern.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
FS
is our only “hole” on the secondary and that is filled right now with someone that is adequate
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 5, 2010 11:37 AM CST up reply actions
Yep...
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
+1
I am hoping for the play making FS to come from the top of the draft. I’d also like a CB because this draft looks so deep at the position we could get a bargain, (bonus points if the guy can double as a returner).
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
You want to know what is sort of funny...
this EXACT statement could be seen a million places last year.
Who won the NFC East last year after Canty, Jason Peters, Haynesworth, and allllll of that money was spent and who was the team that won the division?
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 11:29 AM CST up reply actions
One good thing about this free agency period...it confirms all the NFC East teams are chasing the Cowboys.
I never thought I would see the Eagles abandon their philosophy of improving primarily through the draft. The 3 game beat down we put on them last year has really rattled them…hehehe. Looks like they’re feeling what we felt last off season, but exponentially.
Feels real good to be the top dog!
Who are the other NFC East teams going to bring in
that will put them head and shoulders above us, not to get to “homerish” but really, even if Peppers signs w/ Filthy, will that allow them to score more than 14 against us in 2 games, will bringing in Rolle make Eli a better QB and help their run game…. Can Snyder make a good football decision? The answer to all these questions is No, none of those helps the teams where they need help the most, except maybe Rolle to NYG and while he would’ve been a slight upgrade to Hamlin in terms of INT, he also gives up more big plays.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 5, 2010 11:33 AM CST reply actions
but I would be scared
to see Peppers twice a year….
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 5, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
Peppers didn't exactly do jack against us when we last played. Not much fear from me...
…but I KNOW they fear our edges (Ware/Spencer)…
I have learned that these big FA's aren't always that big.
Look at what the Saints and Cowboys did, they got effective guys for a pretty cheap price.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
On Cromartie....
listening to Charger fans on Jim Rome, and they feel like a they just stole a third rounder from the Jets.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 11:37 AM CST reply actions
well see...
Revis and Cromartie sounds pretty good….
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Yea, the Jets have a good defense...but their offense is what is lagging. Lack or receiver, an no lack of RB...
Nah...
RB is good. Shonn Greene looked really good, and Leon washington will be back.
They’ll be fine as Sanchez matures.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
I think that was a mutual thing.
They wanted him to take a cut in pay and he said no, and so they parted ways.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 11:50 AM CST up reply actions
RBs fall
this year will see a deep crop, but with no marquee Darren McFadden types. If the Texans pass, it’s very possible the Jets could get 1st or 2nd pass at the RB pool.
This class reminds me of the...
Deangelo Williams/Maroney class.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
Well yeah...
Jones is still good, he’ll be a nice find for someone in FA
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
That's a dangerous team
Young, good OL.
Good receiving TE
One big target in Braylon Edwards.
Shonn Greene is a solid young back in the Tashard Choice mold.
With their defense, they can win playing pound it ball on offense. Their
approach looks very much like Dallas in the early ’90s. If they got another
big time RB, look out.
Yep.
Although I would say Edwards isn’t what I would call very reliable.
That’s my beef with our Roy Williams, I don’t mind him not dominating, I just wish he would be reliable when open.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 11:55 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed on Edwards
but I think they’re going to have an excellent shot at a truly top flight RB this year, one who’s a clear upgrade over Greene, and I like Shonn Greene. If a Ryan Matthews or Jonathan Dwyer winds up in their backfield next year, wow.
I guess what we're lacking is the youth on OL
especially at the tackle and guard positions; other wise we’d already be the total package
by AustonianAggie on Mar 5, 2010 12:10 PM CST up reply actions
I hope Houston gets Matthews.
So they don’t pick Earl Thomas.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
Jets have a perfect OL
Greene is solid player, but nothing more than average IMHO…and thats the reason why was thomas jones still running the football quite well this year, despite his age…
interior linemans of Jets are awesome….manhold, faneca…wow…if they are having matt forte in their backfield…hm…the can really challenge chris johnson….
CJ is another example…excellent RB with Perfect OL can really rule the world…but without Titans OL, we could see only 60% of his potential…
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
average...
didn’t he average like 5 yards per carry?
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
you are true
I bet his YPC average with OL bears is under 4 :-)
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
They do have an impressive OL
All the Jets RB’s put up great YPC without much of a passing game threat.
Jones, Washington and Green have all had success.
Not to mention Brad Smith, that guy is a nice weapon to have running the wildcat.
If Sanchez turns out to be a star, I see them in the annual mix of SB favorites for a while.
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
Ehhhh, I dunno....
SG looked like he was a damn good back when given the opportunity last year.
I wonder if the Jets watched that play in the Divisional round where Cromartie totally pulled up and let SG run for the touchdown.
Yeah that's funny...
Alot of Dallas fans had Jenkins’s head on a stick for doing the same thing, in a game that was already a blowout his rookie season.
This was a playoff game!
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 11:51 AM CST up reply actions
Well if he doesn't make plays...
it won’t be because of lack of opportunities.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
Kinda OT - Madden 11
I know the Jets are going to be sooooooper overrated next year. Cromartie and Revis? Ugh, I’m already dreading playing against those CB’s in online games….
it matters on roster :D
this year I was playing league with roster where overall of Manuel Johnson was 81 and austin was 4th wideout in the depth :D
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
how about Gibril Wilson? I didnt watch him this year..but I thought that he is solid safety....?
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
noooooooo
he was horrible
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
ou....I am sorry ...ok, I dont want him anymore :D
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
me neither
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
More bad news for Steelers QB
another rape charge here
Also saw that J P Lossman is a Free Agent – The Bills traded with us to get him; we got the draft pick we used on Spears. I remember people debating whether we got hosed or not. Hard to believe
I wish I could look at it that way...
I look at it more like… we traded away the pick that could have been Steven Jackson.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
Okay, so the Cowboys would receive a first for Spears after all...instead of a 2nd.
That would be true had the Cowboys placed only the “first-round” tender on Miles Austin, who was undrafted in 2006. Because the Cowboys put the “first- and third round” tender on the undrafted Austin, the Cowboys would actually receive a No. 1 pick in return for Spears, according to the NFL.
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Not necessarily...
Dallas could still just trade him to someone, and they could still just release him outright.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 5, 2010 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
and they could still cut anyone they tender
that means dont expect everyone they tendered will be here come training camp. Know one is giving up a first round for Spears or even a second for that matter…I still believe Hurd wont be here for very long.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Ahhh
Thanks for clearing that up.
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
LOL
Quincyyyy’s comment on the link
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
+1
Just read the article again and I’m back to being confused.
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