Cowboys Draft '10: Mock 3.0
by Rafael Vela on Mar 6, 2010 1:59 AM CST
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The Cowboys go through many, many mock permutations before they pick for real. Today, I'm taking a similar approach. What happens if the top OT and FS prospects are gone when it's Dallas' turn?
1. Jared Odrick, DL, Penn State
Odrick looks like the five-technique end the Cowboys look for. He's got prototypical size ( 6'4", 298 lbs.) power and hand usage. He looks quicker than Marcus Spears was coming out of LSU, which means that unlike Spears, he can stay on the field for three downs. He's the type of player would could slide inside to DT when the Cowboys play nickel and generate pressure.
2. Major Wright, FS, Florida
The last of the top-tier coverage safeties, Wright looks like the best bet to be on the board if the Cowboys stay put at 59. He's not the ballhawk that Earl Thomas, Nate Allen and Morgan Burnett are, but Wright may be better than the last two in man coverage. Reads like a player with the proper tools who would benefit from coaching. Impressed in his Combine drills, where he displayed easy change-of-direction and drive on the football.
3. John Jerry, OG, Mississippi
I've seen him in the late 2nd, and he might rate there on some boards because he dominated during Senior Bowl week. However, he's a guard in a deep draft and guards fall. He'll go higher if teams think he can play RT, where he started for Ole Miss. Fits the Dallas mold of a big, aggressive mauler. A Leonard Davis type guard.
4. Jeremy Williams, WR, Tulane
Lost in the crowd of big receivers coming out this year, Williams just produces. Didn't flash warp speed at Indy but showed deep speed on the field. Is more natural tracking the ball than a lot of the other higher rated big wideouts. Can locate, leap and snag the football. Had microfracture surgery after his junior season, which may also drop him. He was nonetheless a very, very productive receiver as a senior.
6. Mike Tepper, OT, Cal
Another guy who gets high mid-round grades in some mocks and lower round grades in others. Has battled injuries during his college career but has returned and produced. Played LT for Cal but projects to the right side as a pro. A tough player who can generate a push in the run game, something Dallas wants from its right tackle.
7. Thad Turner, CB, Ohio
Raw prospect with the speed to cover man-to-man.
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no Center pick?
if one of the RFA DE’s are taken, won’t the compensatory pick be their replacement in the second round instead of the first?
odrick
I like this player, I watched him this season as he plays for penn state…with this first round pick I am definitly satisfied…but what about Spears? Trade or let odrick play back up NT? Ratliff should get some rest in the games…
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
if some team take Spears
and thre’s no Lupati and Earl Thomas, i like Odrick, he’s remarkable, but just as DE i don’t see him as a NT, we already have a slight NT
No return game help...
that is my only complaint
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 6, 2010 8:03 AM CST reply actions
I'd rather not pick a DE in the 1st round
unless he is a real stud. All we ask or DE’s to do (or at least what we expect from Spears and Olshansky), is to hold the point on running plays. This isn’t a rare skill. We have 3 guys (Hatcher, Bowen, and probably Dixon) who could step in for Spears at any time without the difference being noticeable. Don’t forget, our best D-Lineman was drafted from a big school in the 7th.
If the top Tackles and FS are gone, I would rather have them go WR or the best Guard on the board. Yes, the bust factor is high. But, unlike other positions, most of the superstar receivers in the league have come in the top 2 rounds (with huge exceptions like Pearson and Austin). If you don’t take a receiver in the first 2 rounds, the odds that you will get a really good one are infinitesimally small.
I get what you're saying...
but if you had an end that could apply more pressure, the D would be even nastier.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 6, 2010 8:29 AM CST up reply actions
Most? Here's a few taken in the 4th or lower
Donald Driver – 7th
Brandon Stokley – 4th
TJ Houshmandzadeh – 7th
Steve Smith (Car) – 3rd
Wes Welker – UDFA
Marques Colston – 7th
Brandon Marshall – 4th
Pierre Garcon – 6th
Devery Henderson – UDFA
Kenny Britt – UDFA
Miles Austin – UDFA
I will grant that many of the top receivers were taken high, but just as many were taken lower.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
but playing the devil's advocate
you cant make that claim without disclosing the pool of candidates is probably 100x larger. You have 11 success stories out of 1,000s of possibilities, compared to 11 out of 100.
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Less than you think
On average, there are about 20 receivers taken in the 4th-7th Rounds. All the above were drafted from ‘01-’08, so by that estimation:
160 picks / 11 hits = 7%. Normal bust rate on 1st/2nd Round WRs is around 60% (40% hit rate).
There are certainly more hits than I mentioned above as many turn into merely serviceable pros (Crayton, et al), and the rate is somewhere between 15% – 20%. While low, it certainly is a much better value than using your prime picks in the 1st and 2nd Round.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
I'm pretty sure Britt was a first rounder and Hederson was a second rounder
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I stand corrected
CBS Sportsline only had drafts to ‘08 and I misspelled Henderson’s name, so neither came up on searches.
The analysis, though, does not change. WR is a crapshoot and 1st Day picks (Rounds 1-3) are best used via the Planet Theory and pressure players.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Left out T.O.
I know this goes against my point. But he was a 3rd rounder and makes up for 1 or 2. I still think your odds of getting a quality WR drop precipitously after the 2nd round (at least more so than any other position).
It's an annual mental masturbation exercise
It’s also inane.
Our chances of getting a quality WR in the 1st Round (and only somewhat better in the 2nd) is zero, zilch, nada.
It’s because GM Jerry won’t do it. He’s said. He’s held to his word. He’s given his reasons. They are (somewhat) sound and I’ve tried to relay them.
I don’t necessarily agree, but I do understand his reasoning. But y’all can go on spewing the virtues of the next great WR that will be available at #27 or #59 and I’ll be secure in the knowledge that it will not happen.
But for a moment, realize that nearly every “superstar” WR that’s been drafted by a team no longer plays for said team. Hmmm…..
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
there is a chance Tate will be there...
With Boldin going to the Ravens it just increased
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
kenny britt? d henderson?
kennry britt – round 1
devery henderson – round 2
by CowboysFan4Life on Mar 6, 2010 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure you're the first person to call Brandon Stokely a superstar
anyway, instead of arguing, why don’t we (i.e. you) actually figure out the answer. What needs to be calculated is:
Superstar WRs drafted in 1&2 / All Superstar WR
vs
Superstar WRs not drafted in 1&2 / All Superstar WR
The first step is too look at the draft position for all WRs. Then they have to be characterized as Superstar or Non-superstar. Then calculate the percentages.
It’s possible that more than 50% of superstar WRs will be non-round 1&2 picks because rounds 3-7 & UDFA represent a much larger pool of players (e.g. 1-2 = 64 players per annum vs 3-7 = 132 players per annum + UDFA).
I’m fairly certain that the % of superstar WR drafted from rounds 1&2 will be greater than their percentage of the total player pool. For example, ~29% of players are drafted in rounds 1&2 (64 / 224). However, I’m guessing you’ll find that more than 29% of superstar WR are drafted in rounds 1&2, which implies that if you’re looking for a superstar WR you have a higher hit rate in rounds 1&2.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 6, 2010 11:39 AM CST up reply actions
How 'bout reiteration of 1st Round Bust rate on WRs?
To answer your question, it’s about a 50/50 split. So technically, you’re right. But it doesn’t show an accurate representation, as many “Superstar” WRs are not playing for the teams that drafted them (i.e., Santana Moss, Randy Moss, Plaxico Burress, Ashlie Lelie…ok, last two are iffy, but you get the point).
Now, I’ll preface this by saying my definition of “hit” is a little stricter than most. The player must meet the following criteria:
- Played for the team that drafted him for >5 years
- Been a #1 receiver for at least 4 of those years (or significant contributor as a #2)
- Have more than 1 season >800 yards
Given that criteria, Roy Williams would qualify as a hit. So I came up with another category…Maybe. Players that met 2 of the above criteria but brought value to their team through trade or superstar performance in at least 2 years fall in this category. Names like Keyshawn Johnson, Plaxico Burress, Santana Moss, and Roy Williams all fall into this category.
From ‘91-’07, the breakdown of hits, misses, & maybes are:
14 Hits, 41 misses, 12 maybes. That’s a 20% hit rate.
The Maybe category includes OJ McDuffie, Joey Galloway, Terry Glenn, Keyshawn Johnson, Plaxico Burress, Santana Moss, Donte Stallworth, Ashley Lelie, Javon Walker, Roy Williams, Roddy White, Dwayne Bowe, and Robert Meachem.
Even if you were to include all those, the “hit” rate improves to 39%. Simply abysmal compared to all other positions.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
I'm totally lost by that explanation ...
Here. I’ve started compiling the necessary information. At the bottom, click over to ‘Sheet 2’ for WRs. Anyone can edit the spreadsheet. Changes will be saved when the webpage is closed.
I’ve done the NFC East WRs. If everyone volunteers to do a division we’ll have the necessary information quickly.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Aq_pzudn-VEDdDJfYTltRkhEb0M5ellnVjJaTjA5YXc&hl=en
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 6, 2010 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Draft choice can be misleading
Santana Moss was not the 1st Round Draft choice of the Washington Redskins. He was traded from the Jets for Laveranues Coles.
Roy Williams was not the 1st Round Pick of the ’Boys (though traded for a #1 & #3).
Lastly, just because a WR is starting in one of the 3 WR slots, does not mean he’s not a bust (i.e., Malcolm Kelly, Devin Thomas, Robert Meachem…though he gets an incomplete to date)
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
I'm not sure I see the relevence.
JJ said "most of the superstar receivers in the league have come in the top 2 rounds ". That’s either true or false.
I think you were saying that’s false, that less than 50% of superstar WRs are found in rounds 1-2.
It’s pretty easy to determine assuming we can agree on who’s a superstar WR. I’m also curious now myself.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 6, 2010 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
Just plug in a division
get the ball rolling.
if JJ and KDP each do a division we’re halfway there.
you can get draft position on wikipedia. it goes fast.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 6, 2010 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
Again, misleading
Washington did not get Santana Moss in the 1st Round. They traded a 4th & Coles for him.
Dallas didn’t draft Roy Williams.
What’s your definition of Superstar? At a minimum, only #1’s would qualify (but then that would leave out Welker). Just being on a roster doesn’t mean your good.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
So there's no confusion
When we refer to where players were drafted, it means where they were originally drafted coming out of college.
For definition of a superstar I’d just take the Pro Football Weekly top 10 WRs just as a simple 3rd party objective measure. Otherwise the debate could be endless with no real benefit. PRW prob provides a reasonable proxy.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 6, 2010 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
PFW Top 10 WR
Larry Fitzgerald
Andre Johnson
Randy Moss
Calvin Johnson
Steve Smith (Carolina)
Reggie Wayne
Brandon Marshall
Anquan Boldin
Greg Jennings
Wes Welker
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 6, 2010 1:29 PM CST up reply actions
Let's see with this top 10
1. Fitz — top 5 overall
2. Johnson — top 5 overall
3. Moss — ist rounder
4. Calvin Johnson — 1st overall
5. Steve Smith — 3rd rounder
6. Reggie Wayne — 1st rounder
7. Brandon Marshall — 4th rounder
8. Anquan Boldin — 2nd rounder
9. Greg Jennings — 2nd rounder
10. Wes Welker — UFA
First off, Boldin has no business on this list. You can’t put a possession receiver in your top 10. The guy averages under 20 deep throws a year and has for years. Part of that is Fitzgerald being the deep threat, but I’ve looked at his numbers before. The guy gets over 90% of this throws within 10 yards of the LOS.
As for the rest, you have 5 first rounders, and the other half coming from the late 2nd or lower.
The list is Pro Football Weekly 2009 Season Preview
Just and a quick and dirty 3rd party source.
Anyway, it supports JJs statement that ‘most superstar WRs are drafted in round 1&2’. By this list 70% came from 1&2.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 6, 2010 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
again, the challenge with WRs high is not to avoid them
but to get the pick(s) right.
Look the Giants vs. the Redskins in that dept. recently. New York has Steve Smith, Sinorice Moss and Hakeem Nicks, all in rounds 1-2. The Redskins have Malcolm Kelly, Devin Thomas and Taylor Jacobs.
One team hits, the other whiffs completely.
The average is 50%, but the good picks are all on one team’s ledger and the bad picks on the others.
Look at the Lions — 4 top 10 picks in 5 years. One hit for them. Some teams can draft WRs and some can’t.
Four top ten WRs in five years
How did Matt Millen get his job, much less keep it for so long?
I know right,
it was disgusting last year hearing him call games and talk about what it takes to win.
To an extent...
He’s still a good commentator. I agree that he sucked balls as a GM, but he made his “knowledge” of the game known while broadcasting. Funny thing is, what he says on TV is very true and spot on, he just didn’t practice what he preached. Exactly why commentators should not be GMs.
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-The Ed Reed
4 of those 10 acquired by trade/FA
And that doesn’t even get into the Santana Moss, T.O., Plaxico Burress guys. Nor does that “objective 3rd party list” include 3 of the top 5 receivers from last year.
Where’s Austin?
Great catch about positioning. For those M&Ms (Mental Masturbationists) who want to keep hijacking this thread on WRs, just tell me how many “SUPERSTAR” WRs have been drafted at #27 or below and not in the 2nd Round .
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
I'm indifferent to the source
whatever metric you want, most pro-bowls, most 1,000 yard season, some other source that’s ranked WR. As long as its not www.fighter15-mymadeuprankings.com, I think you’ll find a similar result.
I’m getting the impression you’re not interested in the evidence. You just like offering unsubstantiated opinion irrespective to the facts.
I’m answering a simple question.
Are most superstar WRs drafted in round 1&2
When JJ wrote that you wrote ‘Most?’ as if that was a false statement. You didn’t say ‘yes, they’re drafted high and you can trade for them.’ You said ‘I will grant that many of the top receivers were taken high, but JUST AS MANY were taken lower.’ I think that’s false.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 6, 2010 6:25 PM CST up reply actions
Furthermore
Reggie Wayne has the best player in the history of the league throwing to him; and Andre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald are once in a generation talents, so of course they were first rounders. I hardly think it’s fair to use those two to talk about other first round wide receivers, yes, I’m sure if a receiver that talented and with those kind of skills that Jerry wouldn’t hesitate to take them if he were in position to take them. If we look at FO’s DYAR rankings of top wide receivers that the list goes:
Sidney Rice
Vincent Jackson
Wes Welker
Miles Austin
Randy Moss
Reggie Wayne
Marquis Colston
Steve Smith
Hines Ward
Santonio Homes
(Fitzgerald is 11th)
thanks for helping make my point
here’s the round and overall position of the players on your list. 50% were taken in 1st&2nd round. And this is a list that’s got Wes Welker, Colston, and Hines Ward as better than Andre Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald. Call me crazy but I’m guessing the Patriots/Saints/Steelers would be ‘clapping their feet’ if the Texas or Zona came around offering a Johnson/Fitzgerald for Welker/Ward/Colston trade.
Sidney Rice, 2 , 44
Vincent Jackson, 2, 61
Wes Welker, UDFA
Miles Austin, UDFA
Randy Moss, 1, 21
Reggie Wayne, 1, 30
Marquis Colston, 7, 252
Steve Smith, 3, 77
Hines Ward, 3, 92
Santonio Homes,1 ,25
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 9, 2010 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
Better measurement would be "How acquired"
Example, Randy Moss, Santana Moss, Roy Williams, etc would have “Trade”, rather than Round 1 as their method. Antwan Randel El was the Skiz’s #2 and he was acquired in FA.
The point GM Jerry always make is that WR is best acquired via FA/Trade once they’ve proven themselves. And once again, I do not necessarily agree, but his point is well founded.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
I can't follow your logic on 'how acquired'
The question is
Are most superstar WR drafted in round 1 & 2?
It’s a really straightforward question. If a WR is subsequently traded it does not change where they were originally drafted.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Mar 6, 2010 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
Ummmm
Kenny Britt was a first rounder and Henderson was a second rounder.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 6, 2010 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
Raf, 2 questions
1) Does Dallas approach the draft as an organic whole, or is each pick independent? I mean obviously Jerry would draft 7 TE’s if they were the best players available, but how much do prior picks way on what they do with a given pick?
2) Have you looked at Greg Hardy? He could convert to OLB, has sick athletic ability and has been falling on a lot of boards. I am of the camp you can never have too many pass rushers and if her falls to the third round could be interesting..
BTW as an Ole MIss fan I saw Jerry some. He was a 3 yr starter at RT but the offense really improved when he moved to RG late in the season. I think he isn’t that mobile… More Torrin Tucker part 2 than Big..
That seems like a pretty calculated response....
and by calculated I mean rude.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 6, 2010 8:58 AM CST up reply actions
bevomav is a top of the line youtube scout.
He knows what he’s talking about. lulz
Guys that base their " scouting " on
Youtube Highlight vids. Kindda obvious :P
by Cowboysaficionado on Mar 6, 2010 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
Ah, as opposed to all a prospects' plays?
HIghlights can make anybody look good. The 1-13 ’74 Houston Oilers have a rocking highlight video which turns up on the NFL Network every once in a while. Dan Pastorini throws some awesome TD passes in it. I looked up his stats one night and he only had 7 TD passes that season. But every one of them was in that video!
I used to joke that Steve Sabol and the NFL FIlms guys could make anybody look good. They could probably do a spoof video of the ’44 German Wehrmacht. “In their sixth year under HC Adolph Hitler, the Germans suffered on the Eastern and Western fronts, but look to bounce back strong with their now seasoned young troops in ’45!”
You owe me a new laptop
I just spit up a nice Merlot all over my keyboard…you sot.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Hey, I didn't get this job on my looks alone!
Can you just hear John Facenda or the guy who replaced him doing something nuts like this? Sabol is a film nut, he would probably go for the idea if it got in front of him.
I can...and it will haunt me
Almost as much as that Oilers season.
“Ryan Leaf. A cannon armed God. 2nd pick in the entire draft and a wonder. After enduring a difficult start to his career is poised to become the leader of this great team so desperately in need of his gifts.
"
Ooh, ooh…I got one. “KING KONG” Suh, the distructive force that hasn’t been seen since the days of Doomsday and the Steel Curtain is set to make his mark on the National Football League.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
No Need to
Joseph Goebbels was one of the great propagandists of all time. Their speeches and film clips barely acknowledge the disasters of Nov 1942 onward.
Steve Sabol is an amateur compared those guys.
Oh, I've got a '43 copy of Die Deutsche Wochenschau in my video collection
I know how newsreels can sell cheese to people.
But all newsreels were doing that then. Actually sound more like a project for the Monty Python group, if they were NFL fans.
It would.
Those guys never passed up a chance to lampoon the Germans.
If Jerry makes it to us in the 3rd it would be a great pick.
I can see John Jerry pancaking defensive lineman and linebackers while our tailback streaks up the field. I’m down with the 1st and 2nd round picks too. In that dreaded scenario where none of our preferred players are there, those picks are a great comeback. This could be our draft if we’re beat to the punch on OL and Safety. One question Raf: If Jerry doesn’t fall that far who do you take? I have Veldheer or Mike Johnson as good possibilities in the 3rd in this scenario.
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Only person I've seen play is
Jeremy Williams. And we already have him on the team in form of Patrick Crayton. I like how he plucks the ball outta the air, but I’d like more speed at receiver.
That's him!
I’m pretty sure that I’m hanging my #27 hat on Odrick. He would be a great addition to this line.
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maybe, maybe not
Besides Odrick being a slight reach, don’t see the boys taking a player in the 1st who had “off the field issues”. See Wright still being there at 2 but again somewhat of a reach. Jerry should be there at 3; like him and his longish arms and bulk; Williams will be there at 4 due to his lack of speed. With his short arms Tepper would be a candiate for RT.
Still believe the boys will go for OL on day 1 even if its a reach since it’s their biggest short and long term need.
"What we've got here is failure to communicate"
Williams would be good
but if we are going to draft a possession receiver I would rather it be Freddie Barnes. He has the best hands out of anyone in the draft.
Although I think Emanuel Sanders would give our offense more oomph.
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Let me ask you guys something
How many possible suitors are there for Earl Thomas? I count 7 teams that pick before the Cowboys that could lack a playmaker in the secondary: 49ers; Steelers; Falcons; Texans; Eagles; Ravens; Cardinals;
How much would it take for the Cowboys to move up to 18 or so? Everyday I want this guy on the Cowboys more and everyday he seems more out of reach. sigh
by Cowboysaficionado on Mar 6, 2010 9:54 AM CST reply actions
Add Seattle and Miami also.
He seems well out of reach, especially since Mayock has him in his top-10.
Yep
I didn’t include Seattle they could actually get Eric Berry with the 5th.
by Cowboysaficionado on Mar 6, 2010 2:44 PM CST up reply actions
Common draft mistake #1
Don’t fall in love with anybody. The odds are they won’t be there. He’s not the only FS who
could help this team.
+1
You’ve gone a great job in your draft series to show the thought processes of the teams that do a good job drafting. Many treat drafting as an emotional subject, but your analysis has shown that it’s a cool-headed process that requires enormous preparation time to succeed.
Especially in this draft, when the talent pool is relatively deep, falling in love with one player leads to wasted opportunities.
Odrick could be a target, but I would like to see someone in this group
In order of peference:
1-Iupati
2-Earl Thomas
3-Pouncey
4-Nate Allen
If they are all been selected, then I would like the team to start looking at other positions, than OL & Safety, such as DL, WR, CB, etc or even see if they could find a trading partner to move down. If the Cowboys want an immediate impact player, Odrick fits that bill, but in my opinion, Defensive Line is a smaller need position to fill.
I guess it really depends on how much they like Bowen and Hatcher
I’ve said this before, but Bowen had 3 sacks this year. He has really come along nicely.
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I kind of want to draft a true run stopping NT like Linval Joseph, who benched 39 times at the combine
although Joseph can get some pressure as well. I really like him in the 4th round.
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Planet Theory
I love the choice, but don’t think he’ll last to the 4th. Would be a great 3rd round choice.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Odrick is much better value than
Pouncey or Allen. Just my opinion, but Earl Thomas is long gone before we pick.
side note
Cards are going to have a tough year. A side from losing warner, the lose bolding, dansby, and rolle. Sucks to be them. I’m glad I’m a cowboys fan!
by TONYINCC on Mar 6, 2010 11:26 AM CST via mobile reply actions
they'll get some good compensatory picks next year that is for sure
that is if there is a draft next year.
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There will be a draft next year.
That would be the last thing before the NFL shuts down for the year. :(
TERRIBLE SPELLING
Sorry,
And yeah they will get compensatory picks, but I don’t think 2 3rd rounders, can make up for their losses in the short term. If they scout GREAT then perhaps in a couple years they will recover. I was more feeling bad for Fitz, the dude is an absolute stud, and is going to waste several years now while they look for a qb, and rebuild.
by TONYINCC on Mar 6, 2010 11:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Looks good.
I’d be happy with either Odrick or Iupati in the 1st, but I think I’d prefer Iupati. Guys like Odrick are tough to find though and I would completely be on board with scooping him up.
In the midst of all this, how much does it
suck that Baltimore just got Boldin for basically nothing but a 3rd (plus swapping a 4th for a 5th, big deal)
while Jerry gave up a 1 and a 2 for RWilliams??
Who would those 2 players be on the roster if we’d had those picks? We’ll never know.
JJ’s done a good job overall for the last 4-5 years, but whe he blows it, he blows it.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
what were the picks we gave up
And who was selected at those slots, just to get an idea
by TONYINCC on Mar 6, 2010 12:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I can only comment on the 1st round but off the top of my head
we could have had Rey Maualuga, Percy Harvin, or Michael Oher. With the 1,3, and 6, we could have also traded up to 10 and gotten Michael Crabtree.
Well on the bright side
we made one of the worst personnel moves in recent memory and we still have a good team. But yeah… Moss (4th), Welker (2nd), Boldin (3rd), and finally Roy E. Williams (1,3,6). Yikes.
meh
you win some, you lose some.
For every Roy Williams or Joey Galloway trade, there’s a Miles Austin or Jay Ratliff find that kinda evens it out. Every GM has hits and misses ….. you take the good with the bad.
by what_the_crap on Mar 6, 2010 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
I like this mock because it is cynical at the top, we don’t get our short wish list. Still all the players seem good and have a role. At DE, Dallas is trying a shake up, either to get more out of Spears or to move on.
I like the safety and appreciate that he’d be the last choice of a 2nd round safety. If he can cover in man better than others he may have more upside. I’m most interested in Ints but Dallas had a great season last year just forcing incompletions.
I only like the last half of deep mock drafts so I can learn about more players. Guys mocked in rounds 4-7 are pure chance
my take
1. Jared Odrick, DL, Penn State only makes sense if we move one of our DE`s say Spears but then we would have another 1rst rd pick as compensation or negotiate his rights like a trade say a 2nd from the Patriots, now with that 2nd rd`er if we get a LT project say Ducasse then the Odrick pick makes perfect sense.
2. Major Wright, FS, Florida Ithink the sheer number of prospects at the FS position will convince the Cowboys to wait until rd 2 to address the position unless Earl Thomas makes it to 27. But the Boys are in love with Chris Cook so he would be my guess here.
3. John Jerry, OG, Mississippi Now assuming Odrick is the 27 pick and is made because we trade Spears and get Ducasse it still seems ok and really adds youth to the Oline.
4. Jeremy Williams, WR, Tulane with his questionable speed is he gonna be another version of Hurd or Crayton? what about a burner ? I tell you that Antonio Brown WR Central Michigan looked really good at the Combine AND brings a return element.
6. Mike Tepper, OT, Cal again with the scenario we got Ducasse we could go elsewhere with this pick, there`s some big cb`s with potential that will fall due to question marks worth rolling the dice on.
7. Thad Turner, CB, Ohio ooops a cb worth rolling the dice on….hmmmm here`s my adjustment to your mock.
RD 1 Jared Odrick DT Penn State
RD 2 Vladimir Ducasse OT Massachusetts FR Pats or another 3-4 team
RD 2 Chris Cook CB Virginia
RD 3 John Jerry OG Mississippi
RD 4 Antonio Brown WR Central Michigan
RD 6 Boris Lee ILB Troy
RD 7 Thad Turner CB Ohio
Not a bad draft
but I would probably go after a receiver with more speed (although I do think Jeremy Williams could be another consistent WR). I do like the first three picks in general, although I think Major Wright might be more of a third round talent.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Draft Board...
Hey Rafael,
Since you seem to have quite a bit of knowledge on what the Boys previous draft boards look like, I’d love to see you speculate about what their board (at least the 1st and 2nd round grades) looks like. Thanks.
Which of the 1st round picks Seattle lose
if they sign Brandon Marshall?
by Cowboysaficionado on Mar 6, 2010 3:55 PM CST reply actions
which pick is Seattle's and which is the one they acquired via trade?
cause they would have to surrender their own.
Yep, theirs is the 6th
I thought that would be why.
by Cowboysaficionado on Mar 6, 2010 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
Because when you make a tender signing, you give up YOUR pick
The 14th pick or 16th pick is considered the original teams’ pick which was traded to Seattle.
You don’t get to pick and choose which pick you give up. This isn’t a trade.
heck it`s confusing
Boldin was tendered a 3rd rd pick…only a 3rd rd pick…the Ravens sign him and negotiations with the Cards takes place and the Ravens get a 5th and Boldin for a 3rd and 4th so my thinking is that if the Seahawks want Marshall they can still negotiate with the Broncos for him.
I don't believe Boldin was tendered
he was under contract. That’s why he’s been whining the last two seasons. he’s wanted the Cards to rip up his deal and give him a new one.
he got an extension from the Ravens, on top of the current deal he was under.
ooops your right
but another reason for my confusion…Patriots traded Cassels to the Chiefs for a 2nd rd pick after franchising him.
Cassel’s steady improvement sent his stock soaring as he entered free agency. So the Patriots put the franchise tag on him, requiring any team that signed him to give them two first-round picks. But that tag would have cost the Patriots $14.65 million if they kept Cassel as insurance if Brady’s health was questionable.
so in the Cassels case
the Patriots took less than the alotted compensation, also this wording from yahoo article…
Brandon Marshall(notes)
The Broncos only placed a first-round tender on Marshall, which might surprise some teams, but if the intent is to trade him, then this is the right tender. By placing a first-round pick on Marshall, the Broncos are essentially saying to all teams in the bottom of the first round, "Come and make an offer." Would the Broncos take less than a first round pick? I strongly doubt it, but they also won’t match an offer sheet.
ok by saying in the article would the Broncos take less? kind of implies that they could???
and this
http://blogs.nfl.com/category/news/page/2/
News
Marshall set to visit Seahawks
If the Seahawks sign Marshall to an offer sheet and the Broncos elect not to match, Seattle would owe Denver the No. 6 overall pick in the draft. The Seahawks own two first-round picks, including No. 14, which incidentally they obtained from the Broncos last year.
Of course, the Broncos and Seahawks could work out a trade for lesser compensation to move Marshall, which is a very real possibility.
Keep in mind, the Seahawks lost unrestricted free agent Nate Burleson to the Lions on Friday, creating even more of a need at receiver.
Really like the Odrick and Jerry picks
If Wright is the only FS left at that spot, I guess he’ll do, but I would really be disappointed not to come away with one of the higher ranked guys.
Even with Odrick in the 1st, I think the Boys would be smart to take a good NT prospect to take Siavii’s spot.
Tepper – thumbs down, his injury hx is seriously bad. Go back to Welch from Vandy.
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
3 mock drafts and NO ILBs???
I think inside linebacker should be one of the Cowboys’ biggest priorities (behind Safety, and on par with O-line). Brooking and Carpenter are currently starting (if you consider nickel LB a starter), but probably won’t be in a year or so. If James is injured, we are starting Carpenter or Curtis Johnson? Oh No! I like Jason Williams’ potential, but we don’t know if he is good enough to take over for Brooking, or just play a role on nickel, or neither. We need a smart, versatile linebacker who can cover in the nickel, tackle on run downs, make the right calls if subbing in for James, and compete with Williams for Brookings job in the future. There are several LBs that might fit- my personal choice would be Sean Lee from Penn State in round 2-3.
I think our philosophy
will always be to target LB`s and TE`s, we did last yr and we enter next season with 2 guys from last yrs draft that were on IR, Brandon Williams will be a OLB and stephen Hodge will be a ILB on passing downs and I agree with your assessment of Jason Williams as an unknown commodity and I`m guessing we draft Muckelroy as early as rd 3.
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