Restricted Free Agents: Sign Away now, or wait and trade for them later? Following up on: Jared Gaither?
Hey guys, I've been taking in the free agency signings and thinking about how the restricted free agent market is going to play out. This is my take.
First, Jerry always has said that around draft time picks get overvalued and players undervalued. While I don't generally agree with Jerry the GM, I do agree with him on this point. That means that we will get better value for our draft picks if we wait. Also, I think for the most part teams tend to apply higher tenders to players than where the player actually grades out. Following this logic, assuming the team is actually willing to part with the player for the right price, the price to get him probably comes down if we wait.
I recently posted that Jared Gaither OT BAL might be an interesting possibility for us in the restricted free agent market. I think many of us concluded that it was something worth looking into. I'm starting to feel like waiting and if we decide we want him, trying to trade for him after the restricted free agency period is over (Raf also suggested something like this in the Jared Gaither? thread, and Raf is wise), if
1. No team tries to sign Jared Gaither for the first round compensation he is currently tendered at. Obviously, if a team does try and sign Jared Gaither, then we would need to try and sign him also if we wanted him. If BAL met the offer of this team (or ours if we offered), then it is doubtful we would've been able to sign him away anyways.
2. He is not a part of BAL long term plans (we don't know but here a few possible reasons why he may not be: the development of Michael Oher, the fact that he was tendered only a first round selection, Gaither will want to be paid Left Tackle money next offseason, but Oher can play left tackle and will eventually want that money too ). If this is the case then, BAL will want to get something in return for him.
If both 1 happens and 2 is correct, then I think the asking price on Gaither would come down. Look how the Anquan Boldin situation panned out, the Cardinals definitely got less for him by asking too much for him in the first place and holding out for it only to part with him for less later. I'm not saying these situations are parallel, I'm merely suggesting that if 1 and 2 happen the Cowboys would have some leverage to bring the asking price down.
I know that some of us would be willing to part with our first rounder for him or another restricted free agent, but why give up our first rounder if we don't need to and before we need to. We don't have to make what would essentially be trading our first for Gaither until we are on the clock and know who is there. What if Earl Thomas is there? What if Anthony Davis is there? What if Mike Iupati is there? What if Joe Haden inexplicably falls to our pick? Wouldn't you like the flexibility to say, I'll take Earl Thomas, thank you very much. How many of you would be upset if we gave up our first round pick and then Earl Thomas did fall to 27? What if we could get him for say a 2nd and 4th in 2011 instead of a first. Even if Roy Williams and Anquan Boldin were equally productive, do you want to give up a 1st, 3rd, 6th and 7th or a 3rd and a 4th? Uhh, don't know about you, but I'd prefer the second deal.
What the Cowboys should be doing now is our due diligence on players they are interested in without tipping their hand.
I think if we do this perhaps we could be looking at
1. Best Free Safety Available: Nate Allen or Earl Thomas
2. traded for Jared Gaither
3. Alex Carrington, DE, Arkansas State or Tony Washington, OT, Abilene Christian
4. Marcus Easely, WR, UConn (quincyyyy's guy)
6. Clifton Geathers, DE, South Carolina (he may not last this long)
7. Walter McFadden, CB, Auburn
Also, I'd like to quickly address what may happen with some of our RFA's
First, of all, I'm getting the vibe, that Marcus Spears, will be traded. Perhaps not, but I think that Jerry might see Spears as a maxed out player and perhaps a progress stopper for Bowen, Hatcher, and Dixon, and will look to get what he can, perhaps a trade with the Dolphins (Parcells likes his own guys). Plus, Spears will be cheap for the team he goes to, and they can play a wait see approach with whether or not to offer him a long term deal.
Second, I think there's a strong possibility that Hamlin gets cut, or Sensabaugh is traded/signed away. I think Jerry likes Mike Hamlin and Alan Ball, and I think they'll add another safety early in the draft.
Third, I think that one of the Adams/Columbo/McQuistan trio will not be on the team come the 2010 nfl season with the early front runners being Adams and McQuistan.
What do you all think?
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Great post Trip...
I agree with what you are proposing, as Rafael pointed out in a post in a similar vein nearly simultaneous to yours. The sign-and-trade is the RFA play, not the tender option. Having said that, I think McQuistan and even Procter are more likely to be gone than Flo or Columbo. Bailing on starting offensive linemen who are still productive is an extremely risky venture.
That would be interesting
wait and trade off a 2nd rounder, probably doesn’t even have to be this year’s 2nd rounder for Gaither, maybe swap Spears for a 3rd which will give us 7 picks this year again…the possibilities… move up w/ a 3rd rounder and grab ET…. awesome
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 6, 2010 10:39 PM CST reply actions
Would Be Great For Us
I would love to see us trade our 2nd for Gaither and still get a starting S with our 1st. With the recent activity of the Giants signing Rolle I think there’s still a chance Mays could fall to us.
Agree on Spears
but I think McQuistian and Proctor are gone before Spears. I don’t see Columbo or the Hotel getting cut though. A Hotel/Columbo/Free combo would be formidable. Reading between the lines, I am getting the feeling too that JJ is going to get much younger on the OL (C/G) and getting a stud DE, if available. I understand the logic behind getting a stud ball-hawking safety, but I would be very happy if we got the BPA at OL/DL in first two rounds and staying put with Hamlin/Sensy/Ball combo as DBs. Either way, with half the draft from last year still to see action, we are going to be friggin’ LOADED with young talent…well positioned for the next five years. GREAT POST.
"The Most Dangerous Man in the world is the one with nothing to lose"
Great Post
Anything we can do to upgrade the offensive line is the way to go; Gaither for a player and a 2011 second rounder would be awesome.
Sumthn must give!!!!!!!!!!!
Gaither would b great but ….. At the cost of a new contract and the possibe release of Flo…. seem more as subsution move. Plus do not forget we got Free so a move and a expensive move at lt instead of g/c i dunno
by lostar2009 on Mar 7, 2010 9:58 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Is it possible
Gaither is a 1 year replacement? or is that too short-term? Isn’t he up for a new contract next year? Downside is we overpay to acquire for a single season if we don’t work out a deal. Upside is we get a year to see if Free can get to the next level and Brewster can contribute. Better than overpaying in a new deal…
I'm not losing my memory, I'm living in the now
I agree with the general consensus
that I would be great with trading our second and a 2011 pick for Gaither. That way we could keep our first this year and use it to address another position like safety, DE, or WR.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Easley is the shiznit
and Geathers is just a freak of nature.
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
Good point Triplets
I doubt many teams would give up a 1st, but a lot would give up a 2nd. If Dallas wanted to compete using their 2nd they would have to sweeten the deal with something. BAL happens to be looking for a TE, so Bennett could be the key to Dallas getting Gaither. Bennett and a 2nd for Gaither and a 5th or 6th would be a reasonable trade.
There is a good chance Spears gets signed somewhere else and Dallas receives a low 2nd or 3rd. Some might not feel he’s worth that much, but compare him to some of the 3-4 DL guys getting big contracts and he’s better. Dallas could come away with Gaither, retain the 1st rd pick, add a 2nd or 3rd, and a 5th or 6th.
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
I wouldn't give up Bennett for Gaithers in a straight trade
Dallas, with Witten and Bennett as a dou can make a very dynamic offense. I’ve been waiting for 2 TE to make a huge impact for Dallas for a long time and Bennett still has this year to show he can rival Witten. I don’t want to lose that chance either, that Dallas could have a revolutionary offense with two top end TEs.
I would trade Gaithers for a 2nd though, if Baltimore would accpept that. They probably would, because normally in the NFL you don’t give up something for someone who might be cut (if he’s truely not in the future plans)
by AustonianAggie on Mar 7, 2010 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
Bennett hasn't proven enough
If they would take Bennett for Gaither straight up, then this isn’t even close, IMO. You take the LT and wish Bennett good luck. Look at how potent the offense was last season with minimal involvement from Bennett. While I understand what you mean about the 2 TE offense (because I was looking forward to it also), I’d say that it’s still very much up in the air whether or not Bennett will live up to what we are hoping for. Gaither and Free would give the Cowboys a pair of OT’s that could be starting for a long time.
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
Imagine that...
The Tackle spots shored up with 2 very solid young pass blockers in Gaither (23) and Free (25) for the next 10 years. Romo wouldn’t know what to do with all that extra time!!
Amen
I’m actually of a mind that I would go ahead and trade our 1st this year if necessary for Gaither. We know the team would like to draft an O-lineman with that first pick if possible. What are the odds we can draft a guy who’ll be as good as Gaither with that pick?? It’s just like drafting an O-lineman except with more experience.
You can do a lot of things in life. You can't stab a teammate with a pair of scissors. - Kevin Smith
I agree
Bennett and a second for Gaither is a done deal in my book. Bennett is a luxury and finally solidifying our tackle position for the foreseeable future (Gaither at LT, Free at RT) is worth that luxury plus a second rounder for sure.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Could be his agent posturing to get BAL to sign or trade him...
Also, I like the last line in the following article (http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2010/03/would_ravens_trade_gaither.html):
“At this point, the Ravens only have two picks in the first four rounds of the NFL draft.”
Vandy,
Yeah when I saw that my eyebrows perked up!
Seems they have pick 25, 57 and then don’t pick again until 152.
A 2nd and Bennett for Gaither and a 5th (they have 2) seems like a realistic deal that works for everyone.
I'd make that deal in a heart beat.
Step out of the way, Jerry. Where do I sign?
Ready for some baseball.
It seems like such a perfect fit right?
I do wonder though why Gaither doesn’t seem to be attracting more attention from teams.
I mean, he’s a 23 year old LT that’s played at a very solid level already. Baltimore seems to have an embarrassment of riches with Oher and seems like their willing to deal.
Maybe there’s more to his injuries last year then what been reported and teams are leery? Because I see no other reason why not to give up a good pick for this guy rather than play Russian roulette in the draft.
I think there is also concern...
that he doesn’t work very hard and doesn’t play thru injury; at least that is what some Baltimore fans are saying. I think the real story is that BAL sees Oher at LT, with the thought of moving Gaither to RT. However, Gaither doesn’t want to play RT and wants to get paid like a LT. They have concerns he is a good, not great pass rush blocker and gets beaten by quick edge rushers.
Having said all of that, he gave up 6 sacks, 3 hits and 24 pressures, while tallying 20 penalites on 1798 snaps over the past two seasons.
Flo’s same stat line: 15 sacks, 24 hits and 63 pressures, while tallying 26 penalties on 2128 snaps over the same period of time.
Nice info Vandy, thanks.
Baltimore also drafted Tackle Oniel Cousins in 2008 with their 3rd round pick. Perhaps they think he can man RT while, as you said, Oher goes LT because they think he’s their best lineman. If that’s the case then there’s no point in them hanging onto Gaithers (who wants to play LT) and they should get what they can for him.
His numbers versus Flow’s is what makes me interested. Gaither isn’t flawless in his game but he is already better than Flow and he’s only 23. It’s probable that there’s still improvement in his game too.
Yep.
He’s 23, is already better than Flo, is probably going to continue to improve, and is a monster of a man. Would you give up a first rounder for that, if that’s what it came right down to and they couldn’t be talked into a trade of something less? I would, and I wouldn’t even have to think about it.
Ready for some baseball.
Juraszek and Houck project? For a secomd and fouth - one in 2011 even?
i think I am gonna reverse course on this one. I thought since there was such a scarcity of valid options at LT that a first and something would be required, but you are right, the longer this goes on the lower the price
Gaither, Iupati, Pouncey, Davis, Free,
A man can dream.
Would you give up a first rounder for that, if that’s what it came right down to and they couldn’t be talked into a trade of something less? I would, and I wouldn’t even have to think about it.
Me too. No brainer IMO as long as there’s no injury we don’t know about.
You can do a lot of things in life. You can't stab a teammate with a pair of scissors. - Kevin Smith
Me too. Too sweet
You can do a lot of things in life. You can't stab a teammate with a pair of scissors. - Kevin Smith
I would give anything to get this deal to go down:
give my soul to the devil, sacrifice my first-born, whatever it took. Another good, young tackle is just what this team needs.
Wow, hahaha...
That’s commitment to the team.
I wasn’t sure if there was anyone as keen on this than me but you sir have taken it to a whole other level!
Nothing has ever seemed so awesome an idea
and yet so possible. That first round tender just shouts ‘hey make an offer!’ HE’s got the size, he’s got the skill. Sure, he’s not perfect, but even if he never improves that’s still 10 years of solid tackle play. Gaither on one side and Free on the other means this team doesn’t need more than a solid swing tackle to back them up for the foreseeable future. I will be heartbroken if we don’t get a new tackle this year. Gaither looks like the best one available.
But just so as you are aware if this does go down, I’m at least partially responsible. :)
Perhaps you should threaten Jerry's first born,
that might make him take notice.
Actually, how about you lay siege to Valley Ranch and hold Jerry hostage until he makes the trade for Gaither. Then you can give yourself up contented and peacefully and no one even needs to get hurt. Sure, you’d spend a long time in jail but you’d have to be happy to know that we here on this blog would never forget your sacrifice to fix our Oline!!
Good post
good points
but i got some of mine
1. we should keep spears cause i think bowen and hatcher aren’t as well as run stoppers and in the 3-4 we need run stoppers more than pass rushing DE’s
2. walter mcfadden?
3. last year johnny knox was my guy, i think i was right, he’s good and i got mad about the boys looking who knows where instead of his performance on pro day, we lost him…so now i like that other guy from abilene haha
bring Tony Washington
Walter McFadden in the 7th would be a steal.
For some reason this kid is receiving zero love, but he has great cover skills. Look I am a Bama fan and would love to draft his kid. He has good height at 5’11, decent weight at 181lbs, and good speed at 4.43. He is a cover corner, but a little lacking in the tackling dept.
I really like him as a late round guy as well.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 11, 2010 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
Agree
He’s be a solid pick in the 7th.
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
by APerfectStar on Mar 11, 2010 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
Nothing assuming the Rams don't match.
I do think though the contract would have to be relatively rich for that to happen though. Therefore, I think it would be more realistic for Dallas to trade something like a third rounder and maybe a 2011 pick or a player for Atogwe.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 11, 2010 6:18 PM CST up reply actions
The Rams only have right of first refusal.
So if we sign Atogwe and the Rams decide not to match, we don’t have to give up anything.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 12, 2010 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
MARCUS SPEARS
personally i think it would a big mistake for dallas to get rid of marcus spears due to the fact that he provides real good consistent pressure opposite of demarcus ware.
marion barber
what ever dallas decides to do they should not even consider trading marion barber for a draft pick. he is worth so much more than a simple draft pick
Somethings Fishy about Gaither
Bal seems to do a great job w/ evaluating talent as seen by their great picks even while constantly drafting lower. So if they are going to give up on a 23yr old tackle just because he’s about to get paid next year makes me wonder. To give up a second and Marty B would be a steal for a tackle who can play at that high of a level.
The thing about it is that Gaither is a luxury for them.
They’re probably fairly confident that Oher is their future left tackle. So if you’ve got two viable young left tackles now why not move Gaither while you can still get something in return for him?

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