NFL Draft 2010: Are Underclassmen Riskier Picks?
We keep hearing that the 2010 draft is deep and could potentially be one of the deepest since the '83 draft. Most people will agree that it usually takes three years to determine how good a draft was, so how can the depth of this draft be determined months before the draft?
One reason that I often saw mentioned in the context of this year's draft is that both the quantity and quality of underclassmen will elevate the overall quality of the draft. And there is a precedent for this: Fifteen underclassmen went in the first round in 2009, tying the record shared with the 2004 draft.
Imagine what the 2009 draft class might have looked like without the juniors at quarterback (Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez and Josh Freeman) and wide receiver (Michael Crabtree, Jeremy Maclin, Percy Harvin, Darrius Heyward-Bey, Hakeem Nicks and Kenny Britt). Think about the 2009 QB situation for a minute - without the three underclassmen, our very own Stephen McGee would have been the second highest QB pick!
We'll see in due course just how good or bad the 09 draft really was, but what we can do right now is look at how underclassmen entering the draft have performed in years past. Specifically, how underclassmen drafted in the first round have fared.
Here are some raw stats to get you in the right groove:
- 10 of the last 20 number one picks were underclassmen.
- Of the 317 players drafted over the last ten years in the first round, 118 (37%) were underclassmen.
- Of the 100 players drafted in the top 10, 43 were underclassmen.
- 45% of all underclassmen drafted in the first round are offensive skill position players (QB, WR, RB) vs. 'only' 24% of all seniors drafted in the first round.
After the jump, armed to the teeth with the benefit of hindsight, I set out to see whether drafting underclassmen is a riskier proposition than drafting seniors.
The Cowboys and underclassmen
Over the last ten years, the Cowboys have not shied away from drafting underclassmen. Below is a sampling of current and former Cowboys who were underclassmen - some hits, some misses.
2001: Quincy Carter - 2002: Antonio Bryant, Derek Ross, Roy Williams - 2003: Jason Witten - 2005: Marion Barber - 2006: Anthony Fasano - 2008: Felix Jones, Martellus Bennett, Orlando Scandrick - 2009: Brandon Williams, Kevin Ogletree
Felix Jones and Roy Williams (S) were the only first round underclassmen over the last decade. Ken Hamlin (2003) and Igor Olshansky (2004) were also drafted as underclassmen by their teams and later made their way to Dallas.
Underclassmen picked at No. 1
The NFL has allowed underclassmen to enter the draft since 1989. Drafting underclassmen in the number one spot has been a hit and miss affair. And if you ever wanted proof that life isn't fair: despite a truly pathetic NFL career, Tim Couch went on to marry a Playboy Playmate.
| Year | Player | Hit or Miss | Year | Player | Hit or Miss | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2009 |
Matthew Stafford | Hit: so far, so good | 1995 |
Ki-Jana Carter | Miss: The Ryan Leaf of RBs |
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| 2007 |
JaMarcus Russell | Miss: 68 million reasons | 1994 |
Dan Wilkinson | Miss: 16 seasons, in the NFL, 0 awards | |
| 2006 |
Mario Williams | Hit: Two Pro Bowls |
1993 |
Drew Bledsoe | Hit: Massive stats, 4 Pro Bowls |
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| 1999 |
Tim Couch | Miss: stank up the joint |
1992 |
Steve Emtman | Miss: Injuries cut career very short |
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| 1997 |
Orlando Pace | Hit: 7 Pro Bowls, 3x All-Pro | 1990 |
Jeff George | Miss: 16 seasons, 8 teams, 0 awards |
Underclassmen by position: chasing shiny things?
As shown at the top of this post, there has been a clear emphasis on drafting underclassmen in the offensive skill positions. The heavy boys (O-Line, DT, DE) by contrast make up 44% of seniors drafted, and only 22% of underclassmen drafted.
| First round draft picks 2000-2009 by position | |||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| TOTAL | QB | WR | RB | TE | OL | DT | DE | LB | DB | K | |
| Seniors |
199 | 16 | 18 | 14 | 7 | 36 | 22 | 30 | 23 | 33 | 1 |
| Underclassmen |
118 | 10 | 25 | 18 | 8 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 9 | 20 | 0 |
Recently, Raf and I showed that the Bust Factor for Wide Receivers in the first round over the last 10 years was close to 50%. Given that the underclassmen are very WR heavy relative to the seniors, it follows that as a whole group, underclassmen have a higher bust rate than seniors. So we'll not look at overall numbers. Instead, we'll compare the offensive skill positions only.
The criteria we apply for labeling someone as a hit or a miss is simple. If you become a consistent starter on your team, you’re a hit. If not, you’re a miss. For better or for worse, guys who looked promising but don’t start because of injuries are also listed as misses.
Wide Receivers
Using the above bust factor rule of thumb, 13 of the 25 underclassmen WRs are misses (52%) and 8 of 18 senior WRs (44%). Too close to say that there is bigger risk associated with underclassmen WRs, so let's go grab us some Golden Tate, right?
Wrong.
In the table at the bottom of the page, I have listed all the underclassmen WRs drafted in the first round since 2000, their games started per year and their hit/miss rating. Of the 19 WRs drafted between 2000 and 2007, 12 (62%) are misses, a much higher rate than for the full decade, 2000-2009 (52%).
The underclassmen WRs average for the last decade is 'saved' by what appears to be a strong 2009 WR class (Michael Crabtree, Jeremy Maclin, Percy Harvin, Hakeem Nicks and Kenny Britt). We'll know more about that group in two years time, but so far, only Heyward-Bey, with a meager 9 catches in 11 games, looks like a miss early on.
Drafting a WR in the first round is generally a risky proposition. It might be even riskier drafting an underclassman.
Underclass defensive backs on the other hand only have a 30% bust rate (6/20), seniors are only marginally lower at 24% (8/33), the misses are evenly spread over the years, so there is little to no extra risk in drafting an underclassman DB.
So Jerry, go ahead and grab Earl Thomas.
Quarterbacks
In the last decade, 26 quarterbacks were drafted in the first round. Using the same bust factor rule, 3 of 10 (30%) underclassmen can be considered misses (JaMarcus Russell, Alex Smith, Rex Gossman) and 6 of 16 seniors (38%). Because of the small base numbers in each case, the difference in percentages is negligible.
Over the last decade, drafting an underclassman QB has not been riskier than drafting a senior. The Cowboys have drafted a QB in the first round only twice in franchise history (Morton '65, Aikman '89), and it's not going to change this year.
So Jerry, go ahead and grab Earl Thomas.
Running Backs
32 running backs were drafted in the first round in the last 10 years. Rigorous application of the bust factor rule shows that 44% of underclassmen (8/18) are misses, while only 21% of seniors (3/14) can be considered misses.
But here's where we run into a little trouble with the 'games as starter' classification approach. Donald Brown, Darren McFadden, Chris Wells, Jonathan Stewart, Felix Jones, all of them '08 and '09 underclassmen, all qualify as misses with that classification.
As more and more teams adopt a two- or even three running back system, individual starts become less of a measuring stick for running backs than they may have been in the past. Based on their season stats and because I'm a magnanimous and generous guy, I am awarding Wells, Stewart and Jones honorary hit status(denoted with a * in the table at the bottom). This in turn lowers the miss rate of underclassmen running backs to 28% (5/18), close enough to the seniors' numbers to be able to say that there is no increased risk of drafting an underclass RB in the first.
And since we are not in the market for a running back in the first round, I say Jerry, make Earl Thomas happen.
| WR underclassmen drafted in the first round - games started by year | |||||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Year | Player | Pick | '00 | '01 | '02 | '03 | '04 | '05 | '06 | '07 | '08 | '09 | Hit/Miss |
| 2009 |
Darrius Heyward-Bey | 7 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 11 | Miss |
| 2009 |
Michael Crabtree | 10 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 11 | Hit |
| 2009 |
Jeremy Maclin | 19 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 13 | Hit |
| 2009 |
Percy Harvin | 22 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 8 | Hit |
| 2009 |
Hakeem Nicks | 29 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 6 | Hit |
| 2009 |
Kenny Britt | 30 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 6 | Hit |
| 2007 |
Calvin Johnson | 2 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 10 | 16 | 14 | Hit |
| 2007 |
Ted Ginn Jr. | 9 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 9 | 14 | 12 | Hit |
| 2007 |
Robert Meachem | 27 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 0 | 3 | 7 | Miss |
| 2007 |
Anthony Gonzalez | 32 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 9 | 2 | 1 | Miss |
| 2006 |
Santonio Holmes | 25 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 4 | 13 | 15 | 16 | Hit |
| 2005 |
Troy Williamson | 7 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 3 | 11 | 8 | 1 | 1 | Miss |
| 2005 |
Mike Williams | 10 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 4 | 2 | 1 | 1 | - - | Miss |
| 2004 |
Larry Fitzgerald | 3 | - - | - - | - - | - - | 16 | 16 | 13 | 15 | 16 | 16 | Hit |
| 2004 |
Reggie Williams | 9 | - - | - - | - - | - - | 15 | 7 | 14 | 6 | 11 | 0 | Miss |
| 2004 |
Michael Clayton | 15 | - - | - - | - - | - - | 13 | 10 | 9 | 4 | 9 | 9 | Miss |
| 2003 |
Charles Rogers | 2 | - - | - - | - - | 5 | 1 | 3 | - - | - - | - - | - - | Miss |
| 2003 |
Andre Johnson | 3 | - - | - - | - - | 16 | 16 | 13 | 16 | 9 | 16 | 16 | Hit |
| 2002 |
Donte Stallworth | 13 | - - | - - | 7 | 3 | 10 | 13 | 11 | 9 | 7 | x | Miss |
| 2002 |
Ashley Lelie | 19 | - - | - - | 1 | 10 | 16 | 13 | 10 | 3 | 6 | - - | Miss |
| 2001 |
David Terrell | 8 | - - | 6 | 1 | 7 | 15 | 0 | - - | - - | - - | - - | Miss |
| 2001 |
Koren Robinson | 9 | - - | 13 | 16 | 15 | 8 | 5 | 0 | 1 | 12 | - - | Hit |
| 2001 |
Freddie Mitchell | 25 | - - | 1 | 1 | 6 | 9 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | Miss |
| 2000 |
Plaxico Burress | 8 | 8 | 16 | 15 | 16 | 11 | 15 | 15 | 16 | 9 | x | Hit |
| 2000 |
Travis Taylor | 10 | 8 | 13 | 15 | 16 | 9 | 13 | 16 | 0 | - - | - - | Miss |
| QB underclassmen drafted in the first round - games started by year | |||||||||||||
| Year | Player | Pick | '00 | '01 | '02 | '03 | '04 | '05 | '06 | '07 | '08 | '09 | Hit/Miss |
| 2009 |
Matthew Stafford | 1 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 10 | Hit |
| 2009 |
Mark Sanchez |
5 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 15 | Hit |
| 2009 |
Josh Freeman | 17 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 9 | Hit |
| 2007 |
JaMarcus Russell | 1 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 1 | 15 | 9 | Miss |
| 2006 |
Vince Young | 3 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 13 | 15 | 1 | 10 | Hit |
| 2005 |
Alex Smith | 1 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 7 | 16 | 7 | 0 | 10 | Miss |
| 2005 |
Aaron Rodgers |
24 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 0 | 0 | 0 | 16 | 16 | Hit |
| 2004 |
Ben Roethlisberger | 11 | - - | - - | - - | - - | 13 | 12 | 15 | 15 | 16 | 15 | Hit |
| 2003 |
Rex Gossman | 22 | - - | - - | - - | 3 | 3 | 1 | 16 | 7 | 1 | 0 | Miss |
| 2001 |
Michael Vick | 1 | - - | 2 | 15 | 4 | 15 | 15 | 16 | x | x | 1 | Miss |
| RB underclassmen drafted in the first round - games started by year | |||||||||||||
| Year | Player | Pick | '00 | '01 | '02 | '03 | '04 | '05 | '06 | '07 | '08 | '09 | Hit/Miss |
| 2009 |
Knowshon Moreno | 12 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 9 | Hit |
| 2009 |
Donald Brown |
27 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 1 | Miss |
| 2009 |
Chris Wells | 31 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 0 | Hit* |
| 2008 |
Darren McFadden | 4 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 5 | 7 | Miss |
| 2008 |
Jonathan Stewart | 13 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 0 | 3 | Hit* |
| 2008 |
Felix Jones | 22 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 0 | 1 | Hit* |
| 2008 |
Rashard Mendenhall |
23 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 1 | 12 | Hit |
| 2007 |
Adrian Peterson | 7 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 9 | 15 | 15 | Hit |
| 2007 |
Marshawn Lynch | 12 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 13 | 15 | 6 | Hit |
| 2006 |
Reggie Bush | 2 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 8 | 10 | 9 | 7 | Hit |
| 2006 |
Laurence Maroney | 21 | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | - - | 0 | 6 | 3 | 5 | Miss |
| 2004 |
Steven Jackson | 24 | - - | - - | - - | - - | 3 | 15 | 16 | 12 | 11 | 15 | Hit |
| 2004 |
Kevin Jones | 30 | - - | - - | - - | - - | 14 | 13 | 12 | 10 | 0 | 0 | Hit |
| 2003 |
Willis McGahee | 23 | - - | - - | - - | - - | 11 | 15 | 14 | 15 | 8 | 1 | Hit |
| 2002 |
William Green | 16 | - - | - - | 10 | 7 | 12 | 0 | Miss | ||||
| 2002 |
T.J. Duckett | 18 | - - | - - | 3 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | Miss | |
| 2001 |
Michael Bennett | 27 | - - | 13 | 16 | 7 | 7 | 6 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | Hit |
| 2000 |
Jamal Lewis | 5 | 14 | 0 | 15 | 16 | 12 | 15 | 16 | 15 | 16 | 8 | Hit |
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Comments
Nice write up OCC. Lots of good stats.
When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.
Who else?
Sebastian Janikowski was taken by the Raiders in the first round in 2000. (Guess he ran one heck of a 40.)
The sad thing is
that compared to a lot of recent Raiders picks that was actually a pretty good one.
I'm out in Northern CA
This year the newspaper did the Raiders players of the decade: Janikowski & Shane Lechler… That says a lot about that franchise
Kevin Frandsen: The best SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
by Gobroks on Mar 8, 2010 12:57 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wow.
The Kicker and the Punter.
I knew the Raiders had a bad decade but never realised how terrible.
Hey, the Raiders will have one thing going for them.
In a few more years JaMarcus Russell will take over for Ryan Leaf as the example of choice for the mega-bust. That’s almost like history.
Seriously, has there ever been a worst first overall draft pick than that guy? He is so far beyond awful I don’t have a word for it…and I’m an English major.
Worse than Russell?
That would be hard to find. The thing with Russel was you could see it coming a mile away. He showed up overweight to the Combine, interviewed poorly and then flunked the Wonderlic. And then got Drafted #1 overall!! Terrible pick.
Most LSU fans....
Didn’t even think Russell was that good.
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 8, 2010 8:37 AM CST up reply actions
I feel bad for the Raiders because picking Russell was Dallas' fault.
Detroit had the worst record in the NFL that season through 16 weeks. The Lions had to play Dallas in Texas Stadium to end the season. Had the Cowboys beaten a very beatable Lions team, Jamarcus lands in Detroit and Calvin Johnson goes to Oakland.
As Kharma generally does, however, it came back and bit the Cowboys in the butt. Had Johnson signed in Oakland, not only would the Raiders be better, but Detroit probably would not have traded their then number one receiver, Roy Williams, to the Cowboys.
As a counter argument, however, the Raiders would have sent their first round pick to Dallas and would have drafted Brady Quinn later in the first round, as Lane Kiffin was a big Quinn supporter. Consequently, Dallas would probably have McFadden starting right now and Felix would be in Tennessee.
Maybe…
by ScarletO on Mar 8, 2010 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Didn't the Raiders go to a Super Bowl this past decade?
I agree that it was lousy, but I do not remember the Cowboys playing in any Super Bowls this decade
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Even with that Superbowl appearance, I still like where we stand in comparison.
I try to imagine myself as a Raider fan and having to put up with all the bad decisions and misfires that have occurred since that Superbowl, and it would suck the life out of me. I don’t think I could deal with that level of futility…where I may find myself hoping for the early demise of an owner. At least with the Cowboys, I never lost “ALL” hope.
No way
That Ted Ginn is a Hit. Seriously. I was digging this until I saw that. If not for DHB, he would be the worst 1st round WR in recent memory.
Also
Donte Stallworth was a pretty good WR in his day. And he at least still is in the league after all these years. And I don’t think you can call Anthony Gonzalez a miss when he was a 3rd stringer behind two ridiculous WRs and then in his first year of starting he destroys his knee in the first game. I also find it hard to believe that 5 of the 6 WR 1st rounders from last season are “hits.” That just seems screwy. Give them some time and a couple of them will turn out to be Bobby Carpenters.
And you call all three 1st Round QBs from last year hits already too? How many of them had more TDs than INTs? Zero. They haven’t exactly arrived yet, and I think that if they had been taken in say the 4th round or if you’d never heard of them and put up those numbers you’d probably call them "miss"es.
You’re pretty quick to jump to “hits” with the RBs as well… I find it hard to believe that the last couple years have had ridiculously higher draft success rates than the years before… How about maybe using TBD on anyone drafted in the last two years. That would make the lists be more plausible.
Don’t get me wrong, I like what you’re doing. In fact I love it. But let’s be real and not pretend that just because someone was ok in year one and they were drafted high means they’re a “hit.”
agree
Ted Ginn stinks – always avoiding contact – he can return kicks faster than lightning when his coverage is good, but as a supposed “#1 receiver” he totally misses the grade
Forget about winning and losing; forget about pride and pain. Let your opponent graze your skin and you smash into his flesh; let him smash into your flesh and you fracture his bones; let him fracture your bones and you take his life. Do not be concerned with escaping safely - lay your life before him. - Bruce Lee
Nice article OCC
but I maintain that this sort of analysis (previous bust rate) is irrelevant when it comes to individual players.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
Ki-Jana Carter comparison with RYan Leaf is unfair
He tore up his knee in a preseason game and never recovered. That is what derailed his career.
Ryan Leaf was just an asshole.
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Ki-Jana had...
the greatest combination of finesse and power I have ever seen. He was going to be a great one! But b/c of the stinkin astroturf at the Silverdome he messed his knee up on his third carry of his first preseason game!
I don't watch much college football, so I will take your word for it
I just think the comparison to Leaf is way off base. Leaf and Heath Shuler are similar, with the important difference that Shuler has made something of his post-nfl life.
I don’t think a guy who suffers injuries should be labelled a bust. That is beyond their control, and to lump Carter (and guys like Steve Emtman) in with Leaf and Jamarcus Russell is unfair to them. A bust to me is someone like Leaf who just could never get his stuff together to have a career.
Anyone else remember the serious debate about whether the Colts should pick Leaf or Manning? If I recall the argument was that Leaf had unlimited upside while Manning was a s good as he was going to get. I wonder if Leaf has a dartboard with Peyton’s picture on it.
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
i agree with the earl thomas pick but
Pic of Earl Thomas < pic of any cheerleader
Don't Panic!!!
by levcd on Mar 8, 2010 1:38 AM CST via mobile reply actions
you are correct, that was a copy paste error in the table.
by One.Cool.Customer on Mar 8, 2010 8:10 AM CST up reply actions
Interesting article but off base with your hit miss selections.
You can not call any player drafted in the last 2 years as either yet. That is just not logical since it takes most players at least 1 season to truly get used to the NFL. Seriously calling Crabtree a hit this early is crazy.
Only time will tell
You raise a fair point, as others did further up the thread, and as I did in the first paragraph of this post – it usually takes three years to determine how good a draft really was. So you’ll get no debate from me on that.
The challenge in evaluating players across so many different positions is in establishing a common denominator to measure them with. And you can call me crazy, but I expect that regardless of which player you draft in the first round, my minimum expectation is that that player becomes a starter on your team, and quickly.
If you agree with that premise in principle, then the numbers are a valid starting point for discussion. Sure, there’ll always be extenuating circumstances for any player, and occasionally I may have personally overvalued/undervalued a certain player, but that’s why I put up the whole list to provide for transparency and discussion.
The bias in the last two years actually works both ways in the overall picture. Some players have a lot of starts early, but deliver questionable numbers (e.g. WRs), others fail to get a lot of starts but put up solid-to-good numbers (e.g. RBs).
by One.Cool.Customer on Mar 8, 2010 8:29 AM CST up reply actions
Case in point...Mike Jenkins.
Talk about the “light switch” getting turned on after 1 season.
Meachem
he was a miss his first two years but not so now. He has a super bowl ring.
The thing with most of the WRs is it takes a couple of years for them to adjust to the pro game.
Crabtree was one of the best rookie WRs last year but he disappeared the last three weeks of the season.DeShawn Jackson did nothing in his first year except the last couple of games.
I think OCC stats show that wasting a high draft choice on a WR is risky business.
So OCC, if I understand you correctly
You’re saying…..draft a QB. (jk.) I am so down with Earl Thomas…along with about a million other people. I would love to see him with a star on his helmet.
When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.
Free insight into the Al Davis thought processes.
This is where stats stop making sense:
Statistically, the safest pick is a kicker. One drafted, one hit, 100% success rate.
by One.Cool.Customer on Mar 8, 2010 8:54 AM CST up reply actions
Way too kind!
Based on your measure, Bobby Carpenter would be a “hit”.
1st Round Draft picks should be difference makers. You know, the Aikmans, Emmitts, and Irvins of the world.
I know they’re on the D, but looking at Ware and Spears, most would consider Ware a hit and Spears a (near) miss. I say near, because his production is great…for a 2nd or 4th Round player.
A better, albeit more subjective measure is whether or not the player has become a difference maker. Is he a top producing player? The measure for WRs would be 50/800, while the RBs would be ~100/500. QBs are about wins.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
Who said anything about Bobby?
I don’t want to come down too harshly on Bobby here, but he has totalled three starts over four years. That is about as far away from a hit as you can get in the whole 317 strong list of first rounders.
by One.Cool.Customer on Mar 8, 2010 9:15 AM CST up reply actions
I use BP's measure of "starts"
A 3rd WR, 3rd CB, nickel LB, etc. Even you did that to acknowledge the platoon RBs. It’s a fair measure. Otherwise, you have to pull the asterisked RBs and many of the WRs.
My point wasn’t to say Bobby was a hit (he’s obviously not), but to question the measurement of starts as THE indicator of hit/miss and suggested a different measure.
But even with your incredibly low standard, it reiterates the extremely low performance by WRs. And I agree with other posters that using ’09 is WAY too premature.
One last note. A player drafted should have to contribute to the team that drafted it to be considered a hit.
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors. - Thomas Jefferson
O.Cool, dare I say you're slackin' now that you've made the big time? ... what's a reference to Tim Couch's wife without samples?


Doomsday returns... Wade Phillips style.
Thanks for picking up the slack Luke
I think One.Cool needs to re-order his priorities just a tad…
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 9, 2010 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
Off topic but...
O.J. Atogwe, a safety for the Rams, is available in free agency. Should the Cowboys take a look? Is he better than Hamlin?
by beautifultyrant on Mar 8, 2010 11:11 AM CST reply actions
He will get some INTs
but I worry that he may give up more than Hamlin did, a give and take situation
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 8, 2010 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
Hey Cool
I get the impression that you think the Cowboys should pick up Earl Thomas. Good player no problem with that. How far up will they have to get to have a shot. What will it cost in picks. The play of the safeties didn’t have Tony running for his life against Minny. I want to upgrade the safety play too, just don’t know whether trading up in the first is necessary to get that upgrade. I’m still more concerned with the Oline.

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