Dez, Roy and Marty B
Hey guys offseason boredom has hit seeing as Jerry is, wisely I think, not doing anything in free agency so far and the Combine is over. I read this article on the national football post http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Is-Dez-Bryants-draft-stock-falling-fast.html, and it got me to thinking, what would Jerry do if Dez Bryant fell the same way Randy Moss did?
If Dez's stock continues to fall before the draft I'm sure we'd be here asking that question so because I'm bored I decided to tackle the question preemptively. My answer depends on how much of a head case Dez is. But the idea intrigues me. Sure Dez is a bit of a head case but I can live with head cases that produce and don't blame their qb, so Dez as of now passes those tests.
However, their are two Dallas pass catchers who currently draw my ire more than Jerry Jones' early 2000's drafts, and they epitomize the attitude I do not want from any pass catcher on the Cowboys. If we thought Dez's attitude similar we need to take evasive action.
First: Roy Williams (Is it a coincidence that RW is WR but in reverse, I think not, whoever posted that recently is a genius)
I know the biggest objection to drafting Dez will be this would mean that we would have to cut Roy, but it's 13 mil in an uncapped season and he's off the team forever. Jerry says he won't do it, but Stephen needs to take Jerry out to the woodshed and show him the game tape of Roy late in the season. And none of this Roy is a good blocker bs. If that's what you want let's put Doug Free out there.
I don't hate Roy Williams don't get me wrong, but I hate what he does to the offense. Every time he's on the field, he makes the offense worse. When he's on the field it's 10 on 11. If that isn't bad enough what's worse is Roy seems fine with it. All the I'm a number 1 receiver, we're just not on the same page bs. AS A RECEIVER YOUR JOB IS TO MAKE YOUR QUARTERBACK LOOK GOOD. That means you don't drop the ball, you go over the middle, you give 110%, you don't smile when something goes wrong, you take pride in being the best you can be, and YOU DON'T BLAME ANYONE, PARTICULARLY THE QUARTERBACK for you assinine play (the we're not on the same page bs is either blaming Romo or admitting to being underprepared and therefore not belonging on the field).
Second: Martellus Bennett
While were on the subject of idiot pass catchers, apparently Martellus Bennett thinks he should get the ball more. This is what I have to say to you Marty B PLAY BETTER AND YOU WILL GET THE BALL MORE. Don't drop the ball, run good routes, block well and you'll get plenty of playing time.
Final Word:
Now the only thing I have left to say to Roy, Marty, and Dez if we did draft him, is this "IF YOU WANT TO TALK THE TALK YOU BETTER WALK THE WALK."
Moral of the story for Jerry:
This is a put up or shut up league. Roy and Tellus talk a lot and don't do much else. They don't belong on the Cowboys roster. Last offseason we got rid of a lot of those loud mouthed yahoos now it's time to finish the job. And don't draft any new ones either--that means unless Dez can play some serious ball, let him go somewhere else, we don't need any more UNDERACHIEVING, WELL-PAID, LOUD-MOUTHED YAHOOS on this team.
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Marty B.
Marty have all the skills in the world for a TE but he doesn’t have the smarts to play the position…he look like a rookie out there last year, and he was a rookie the year before that…
trade
Marty B tv, i like him but we don’t need him, i’ll be happy with an early second rounder pick (top 10)
Seriously?
We are beating this RW thing to death. JERRY AINT CUTTING RW. So why don’t we move on? Anyway, I would rather give him 1 more year in our system to sink or swim, so if and when we do cut him, it’s because we atleast gave him a chance. Let it go dude.
I totally agree with the RW comments. This guy is a clown. In my opinion him staying signifies a lack of balls from Jerry to admit rw is a bust. He got hurt a few games and Austin emerged. If he was gone all together who else could prove themselves? I say cut him, eat the money, and give someone else a shot or pick somebody new up. When we made Roy the #1 coming into this season him and crayton were the only proven receivers. We didn’t go out and get anyone else because we thought we could do it with them and the new guys. Well by the end of the season we still only had two proven guys and neithers name was Roy. I personally think if given the chance ogletree will make a significant impact on this team.
by BrettWreck on Mar 9, 2010 7:47 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Option #5
Draft Dez (if no one else with a better draft grade is there) trade him immediatly for a draft day profit, get back into the 1st round or very early second and take pouncey
HUH?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
LMFAO.
I had to laugh at this as well. Get back into the first round? WTF are you going to do, draft Dez, trade him for a lower first rounder and time travel back to get a better player? Or draft him, trade him for the pick right after and get somebody else? Or draft him and trade him for a second rounder???? Holy Hell what a dumb post.
Ready for some baseball.
I dont think he articulated his
pt well at all but i THINK what he was meaning was this:
1) Draft Bryant
2) Trade to a team higher up in the first round that wanted Bryant but didnt want to spend their #5-10 overall pick on or something. Perhaps pick up a 2011 first round pick and another lower round pick
3) Use your second round pick plus possibly another pick to trade into the back end of the first round or top of the second round.
Now i dont know if there would really be a net gain in all of this but i THINK that is what he is getting at.
"JD gets complete blame or credit for what happens in 2010 and I think Nolan wants it that way. JD is paid to be a real GM and needs to start performing like one." - Josey Wales
by Michael Cave on Mar 10, 2010 1:40 PM CST up reply actions
LOL?!
We draft at 27 y’all… think about it..
FEAR the STAR.
"You have been banned from Bleeding Green Nation" -JasonB
Perhaps...
BOTH of y’all are trying to say…. draft at 27, and trade for SECOND & later picks? Not happening… still laughing though. :D
FEAR the STAR.
"You have been banned from Bleeding Green Nation" -JasonB
You dont draft Dez Bryant and then trade him....you crazy...
If Jerry drafts him he is here to stay….he or Tate would be the insurance policy next year if RW was cut.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
If Dez is there, you take him.
In fact, I would go so far as to say if he drops to that 20ish range that Jerry should really look to trading up for him like the Eagles did with Maclin. He is a guy who is a great athlete and compares favorably to Crabtree coming out last year. Is he a sure thing? No of course not. As has been pointed out, WRs have a high bust rate and it is hard to predict exactly how they will translate, but he would be too good on the field to let him go. I know there are some concerns about his character with the whole NCAA thing, but I think the reward way outweighs the risk in his case.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
He would be by far
the BPA but would him being near Deion everyday be a good thing or a bad thing
by nicholas.rodriguez on Mar 10, 2010 3:47 AM CST up reply actions
I am not really that concerned about that. I think Dez just got nervous when asked about Deion, and made a poor decision in lying about it. I don’t think hanging out with Deion for a little while is a huge crime and I would be more than willing to risk that his talents could show up on the field and that he could stay out of trouble.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 10, 2010 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
*I would be more than willing to risk a first round pick on the fact that he will stay out of trouble and show his talents on the field.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 10, 2010 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly, people are blowing the whole situation out of proportion.
He didn’t do anything wrong. He thought he might have, and he tried to cover for himself by lying about it, which is what got him in trouble. He got scared and made a stupid decision. He doesn’t have any character issues, he just made a dumb mistake. The simple answer is yes, I would take Dez Bryant if he fell. None of this “despite character issues” stuff. If he’s there you draft him.
Ready for some baseball.
So Dez Would Be Better Than A Former All Pro WR?
I call BS on that.You Roy Williams haters think a green kid who played two seasons at OSU is going to come in and out perform Roy Williams.Not going to happen.
JJ made the deal for Roy and in all of our opinions he overpaid for what he has gotten so far.So the onus is on Jerry.
There is a window open now for the Cowboys to get to the Super Bowl and a raw rookie WR isn’t going to take us there.
by TCB Orange Dino on Mar 9, 2010 10:33 PM CST reply actions
I'll bet you any amount of money Dez Bryant has a more productive season than Roy Williams next year.
Ready for some baseball.
good god, I might have a more productive season than Uber Blocker Roy
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
I could outperform RW
I can run sloppy routes, fail to get separation, and drop passes just as well as Roy. I suspect any kid who actually wants to play the game will outperform RW by leaps and bounds.
by JimmyJohnson on Mar 13, 2010 12:33 AM CST up reply actions
YES!
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
by APerfectStar on Mar 15, 2010 1:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Then We Are Not Going
let’s call off the season and blame it on Roy Williams.Or better yet Jason Garrett who can’t find a game plan to include Williams.Or Wade or better yet Jerry Jones.
Hey we can be like TO and blame Romo and Witten and Jessica Simpson.
by TCB Orange Dino on Mar 9, 2010 11:36 PM CST reply actions
Picking up Dez Bryant if he falls
would be the best move since he would almost certainly be the BPA by a wide margin. And say what you want about Detroit, but they picked Calvin Johnson when they had Roy Williams and that has worked out pretty damn well.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 10, 2010 12:15 AM CST up reply actions
Yea that has worked out real well they have won a ton of games
by rioplayer7 on Mar 10, 2010 9:35 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
The individual decision worked out pretty well, wouldn't you say?
Because the Lions took him, they were able to trade RW for a 1st and a 3rd. Simply because a team’s overall direction is poor doesn’t mean they aren’t capable of making good draft choices.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 10, 2010 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
Well
To be fair, the Lions have had awful management up until last year. They are making positive moves for the first time in a long time, and if not for playing in a stacked division(Pack and Viks, and the Bears have potential), I could see them hovering around 6 to 7 wins next season.
I'll live and die with number 9....
The Cowboys may get there but Roy is not going to take them to the Super Bowl. The team will have to overcome Roy's lack f production
and you say “Former All-Pro” and I say “Career Year”
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Wow, an actual Roy fan
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
by APerfectStar on Mar 15, 2010 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Dez Bryant will be fine.
I lived in Oklahoma for 5 years and I never heard anything bad about the kid.
The NCAA violation was looked at as another way the NCAA was being stupid by most people that follow college football.
How good is Dez Bryant… well scouts compare him to Andre Johnson.. so YEAH I would take him.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 10, 2010 9:38 AM CST reply actions
Well I'll go with NFL scouts...
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 10, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Pipe Dream
No way the #1 WR is there at #27.
He’s been talked about as a future NFL superstar since he was in high school.
There are a bunch of teams that want this guy before #27.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Yeah I feel the same way.
There is smoke in the air, he doesn’t go past #12
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 10, 2010 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Agreed... but I will continue to dream haha
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 10, 2010 12:28 PM CST up reply actions
You guys hating on Dez obviously haven't watched him play
The kid has good speed, very soft hands and amazing body control. He reminds me a lot of Roddy White. He doesn’t have character issues either, as those living in the state or who follow the team closely have already stated.
If he is available at #27 and Dallas doesn’t take him, that will be just as bad as Parcells passing on Steven Jackson.
I think it'd be worse actually.
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 10, 2010 2:26 PM CST up reply actions
+1
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
by APerfectStar on Mar 15, 2010 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions
It would be Christmas in April
if Dez Bryant falls to 27.
I expect Christmas in April every year.
Sometimes, though, Jerry Clause doesn’t always get what’s on my list.
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by Aaron Novinger on Mar 12, 2010 6:48 AM CST up reply actions
If Bryant or G.Tate were available at #27, you gotta go with big Bryant, but it aint
gonna happen, both guys will be gone by then, and I’m thinking will be looking at a new NT to back up The Rat, or an OL-man in the first.
OR, knowing Jerry, we will trade outta the first for some early picks in the second and/or third.
Tate is overrated
His comparisons to Steve Smith are undeserved.
The guy is not an accomplished route runner and his hands are suspect.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Question:
If Dez falls past #20, do you try to trade up for him?
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 11, 2010 5:21 PM CST up reply actions
Not if Jerry really does think that the WR spot is good.
I would be tempted, if the price is right.
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 12, 2010 7:58 AM CST up reply actions
I would be pretty tempted too.
I would certainly look to the Bengals and offer maybe a deal like MartyB and our second round pick, and our 6th round pick or something like that.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 12, 2010 9:19 AM CST up reply actions
Three Words
Abso
Freakin
Lutely
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I would agree as well.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 15, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
What?!
Golden Tate isn’t the next big thing?! But…but… he ran a 4.3!
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 12, 2010 7:58 AM CST up reply actions
The funny part about the whole Tate 40 time discussion
is that Roy Williams ran a 4.36 and that doesn’t make him a deep threat in the NFL. I also would like to say that if people really want us to draft a Notre Dame WR, I would rather wait a year and get Michael Floyd since I think he is clearly the better of the two.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 12, 2010 12:14 PM CST up reply actions
I don't dislike Tate.
People think that… but he got caught from behind in college quite a bit.
John McClain: Welcome to the party, pal!
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Mar 12, 2010 5:00 PM CST up reply actions
I am glad to see that I am not the only one who feels that way.
I watched him plenty, and while he did make plays, I never thought he seemed to have that speed or lateral quickness to be a guy like Steve Smith.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Mar 12, 2010 5:36 PM CST up reply actions
Actually, I think his OFFICIAL time was 4.42
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

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