NFL Draft 2010.
I think it might be a rough day early for us in regards to the Oline. I think there's a real chance that all the Olineman we'd consider at 27 will be gone; Okung, Bulaga, Williams, Davis, Iupati and Pouncey.
Bruce Campbell may make it to 27 but is he worth it? He's only started 17 games and has questions about inconsistency, durability, technique and intelligence. All players at this late first round spot will have some serious questions but he's got to many for me. There's Olineman to be had later on.
With Pittsburgh (18), New England (22) and Baltimore (25) all needing DE's for their 3-4 I think Jared Odrick, who looks to be the consensus premier 3-4 DE in the draft, could be gone too.
On the DB front Berry is a top 10 lock and Earl Thomas and Joe Haden look very likely inside the top 20. Kyle Wilson appears to have climbed inside the top 25 as the chances of the second best CB getting past the Texans (20), Green Bay (23), Philly (24) and Baltimore (25) seem slim.
So of the 25 first round rated guys, and with Dallas picking at #27, I think we're going to miss out on most of them. But there's one player, at a position of dire need, who we know Dallas has judged as a first round prospect, who I think might still be on the board at 27...
Round 1, Pick 27;
Taylor Mays, Safety, USC, Rated 17th – 22 years old, 6'3" 230 pounds, 34" arm length, 10" ¼ hand.
4.31 forty, 24 bench reps, 41" vertical, 10'05" broad jump, 4.24 twenty yard shuttle, 6.95 three cone drill.
Cue the booing. Despite most reliable sources confirming that Mays is predominantly regarded as a genuine first round prospect, there's more than a few internet experts that have declared this young man unequivocally a bust. Many Cowboys fans have also taken particular dismay at the idea of Mays because "we don't need a another Roy Williams".
I don't see Mays as a Roy Williams clone and it often seems to be based on little more than that they're both big and can (or could in Roy's case) lay big hits. In reality Mays is much bigger, faster, stronger and explosive than Roy was coming into the NFL.
Mays is 6'3" 230. Roy was 6'0" 219.
Mays runs genuine flying 4.3's. Roy ran an average 4.53.
Mays lifted a strong 24 bench reps. Roy lifted a poor 13.
Mays had a huge 41" vertical. Roy had a pedestrian 30".
Mays had a great 10'05" broad jump. Roy had an average 9'07".
Taylor Mays excelled in every major drill testing his physical ability. Roy Williams severely underwhelmed in all of them. What this tells me about Mays is that he works very, very hard on his fitness and conditioning. He's obviously a committed worker. What this should have told us about Roy was that he obviously didn't work hard on his physical conditioning. Something that proved to be very true in the NFL. Roy Williams' overweight 225 pounds does not compare to Taylor Mays' extremely fit 230. Roy's lack of work ethic also seemed to spread to the film room.
Over Roy's last few years (without Woodson to hold his hand) the teams official site ran several articles stating that Roy not only needed to get in shape but that he needed to spend much more time in the film room. Obviously neither happened and Roy's game continued to degenerate until he was cut. The biggest problem with Roy Williams wasn't some innate problem that revolved around his size (or hips) it was that he was lazy. That's why he was a failure. Lazy is not a word anyone utters when talking about Taylor Mays.
Mays has also been criticized for his lack of interceptions but it has been noted that it wasn't really his role at USC;
Carroll insists it's because quarterbacks seldom challenge Mays deep. A scout for an NFL team seconded that notion, adding that the preponderance of college spread-style offenses also limits Mays' opportunities. Mays' style of play has something to do with it, too. At 6-foot-3 and 230 pounds, he often goes for the blow-up hit in lieu of the ball. "He's trying to use his size and strength to disengage the ball from the receiver; I can see why he does that," the scout said.
In the Senior Bowl, where he was coached by the staff of the Miami Dolphins, he made a heads-up interception at the goal line. Mays said those coaches told him to look for the ball rather than zero in on receivers. "In the NFL, you get paid to get interceptions" he said. "It started to pay off once I started to look for the ball. I know I can do it. I wasn't really coached just to do that at USC, but I know I can make that transition." Mays passed on a chance to run the 40-yard dash because he did more than enough in that department at the scouting combine. Although some scouts timed him at a blistering 4.24 seconds in Indianapolis, teams eventually agreed on a still-impressive time of 4.31.
Mays may not have been a great ball hawk in college but he's certainly got the skill set (speed, leaping ability) to do that in the pro's with coaching that emphasizes it over just going for the KO. And unlike Roy Williams this kid will absolutely put in the work to succeed.
Carroll, who has extensive NFL experience and has trained numerous players for the league, said Mays will enter it as prepared as anyone. "He's exemplary," Carroll said. "He'll be as good as anybody they have at knowing what's going on, understanding the game, being able to converse about it, the desire to want to know more and understand how he can get better. All that stuff will be off the charts." Mays has an NFL-ready work ethic; he regularly stays after practice to catch balls from the JUGS machine and work on other techniques.
Scouting report notes;
"Good key-and-diagnose skills. Aggressive in run support, but disciplined and rarely out of position. Understands his role as the last line of defense and generally takes good angles to minimize big gains by opponents".
"Rare recovery speed. Is a rangy defender and can blanket most deep receivers". "Controlled aggression in coverage makes him well suited for a zone scheme. Sees the action and reacts quickly. Loses a step in transition, but accelerates smoothly. Good change-of-direction skills. Reliable open-field tackler. Intimidating hitter over the middle".
"Rare straight-line speed for a man his size. Reads the action quickly and has great burst to close. Times his leaps well and uses his long arms to bat away passes. Would rather go for the big hit than compete for the ball".
"Flashes outstanding ability in run support. Good key-and-diagnose skills. Can elude blocks, but is willing to take them on and can discard due to his upper-body strength and long arms".
"Reliable open-field tackler. Breaks down well to make the secure stop. Explosive hitter who loves to intimidate opponents. Lowers his shoulder into the ball carrier and can separate the football from the man".
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A physical set that compares to any of the best in the NFL and superior to any current NFL Safety.
A great work ethic that is seen in both the weight room and the practice field.
The desire to be great and the willingness to be coached.
A productive college career.
No negative off the field incidents.
Dallas likes to grab guys who can contribute and make an impact immediately with their first round picks. Taylor Mays would become an instant starter and improvement over Ken Hamlin for Dallas with the potential to be one of the leagues top Safeties in a few years. I may be in the minority but I'll take that with the 27th no worries.
Video – First Draft Taylor Mays (highlights & interview);
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-draft/09000d5d8176f27e/First-Draft-Taylor-Mays
Video – Taylor Mays Draft/Combine;
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d817803fd/2010-Draft-Vignettes-Taylor-Mays-USC
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Round 2, Pick 59;
Lamarr Houston, Defensive Tackle, Texas, rated 52nd – 22 years old, 6'3" 305 pounds, 33" arm, 10" hand.
4.84 forty, 30 bench reps, 33" ½ vertical, 09' 06" broad jump, 4.71 twenty yard shuttle, 7.61 three cone drill.
A made a post a few days ago about how overworked Ratliff is and how we really need a quality backup to afford him some rest. I think Lamarr Houston is the perfect guy.
He's one of the most versatile defensive lineman in the draft. This is a player who can be an impact contributor as our badly needed backup NT (and also a nickle pass rusher) this year and has the potential to take over at DE next season. Of the 300 pound and over participants at the combine not one was faster than Houston (in fact his forty time of 4.84 is virtually identical to Ratliff's combine time of 4.85 though Ratliff was 292 pounds while Houston is 305).
He's regarded as being "extremely agile for a 300-pounder and works relentlessly to reach the quarterback". He's also strong against the run with "upper body and hands that are strong enough for him to pull down ballcarriers while engaged with blockers". He also "regularly lines up at the five-technique, standing his ground against larger linemen using a strong punch and leverage". A "very strong tackler, comes with aggression and does not let go once in contact". And last but certainly not least he's "very competitive, has an above-average motor and is willing to play hurt".
Houston a great senior year too; 68 tackles, 22 for a loss and 8 sacks.
Lamarr Houston may not look like a prototype 3-4 lineman (whether NT or DE) but he's in the mold of Jay Ratliff who also doesn't fit the prototype but could play either position. His strength, quickness and motor could make him a Ratliffesque one gap penetrating NT or a 3-4 DE that has a pass rush.
Video – Lamarr Houston Draft / Combine;
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/09000d5d81745e39/2010-Draft-Vignettes-Lamarr-Houston-Texas
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Round 3, Pick 90;
John Jerry, Guard, Mississipi, Rated 83rd – 23 years old, 6'5" 328 pounds, 34" arm, 9" ¾ hand.
5.15 forty, 31 bench reps, 27" ½ vertical, 08'05" broad jump, 4.69 twenty yard shuttle, 7.93 three cone drill.
No need for much of an explanation here. We need more depth on the Oline badly and we'll need new starters real soon. 32 year old Kyle Kosier is in the last year of his contract. Jerry was a Tackle in College but projects as a Guard of Dallas' mold in the NFL.
Some scouting notes;
"Strong punch at the snap as a pass blocker. Sticky hands and can control the pass rusher when he locks on".
"Good initial pop at the line of scrimmage to stun the defender and can overcome his opponent with his strength and mass as a run blocker. Shows some nastiness and looks to pancake his opponent if he senses he's off-balance".
"Surprising agility to get out and around the line. Good initial quickness off the snap. Intimidating presence at the second level and can wall off defenders from the ballcarrier"
"Massive man. Not just big, but very strong. Broke the Ole Miss record with 34 repetitions of 225 pounds last year -- a difficult feat considering his long arms".
Video - John Jerry Combine Workout;
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d816dcc81/2010-Combine-workout-John-Jerry
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Round 4, Pick 123;
Tony Washington, Offensive Tackle, Abilene Christian, Rated 144th – 22 years old, 6'6" 311 pounds, 35" ½ arm, 10" ½ hand.
5.09 forty, 33 bench reps, 29" ½ vertical, 09'06" broad jump, 4.84 twenty yard shuttle, 7.52 three cone drill.
Some scouting notes;
"Washington has good height with long arms and adequate bulk. A hard worker who plays with a mean streak. Uses a jarring explosive punch and possesses the initial quickness to set fast and thwart speed rushers. Shows good recognition in pass protection picking up the blitz."
Washington is one of the top small school prospects in the entire draft. He has an unconventional incident in his past but his behavior since seems to have put most evaluators minds at rest and he's become a solid mid-round pick. He's raw but has a lot of natural talent which showed in his combine performances. Has Right and Left Tackle potential in the Pro's and that's good for a team with long term questions at Tackle.
Had a great combine. He only did limited drills at his Pro Day and only one team attended and had their scout run him through the drills, the Dallas Cowboys.
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Round 6, Pick 187;
John Connor, Fullback, Kentucky, Rated 223rd – 23 years old, 5'11" 241 pounds, 32" arm, 8" ½ hand.
4.64 forty, 24 bench reps, 35" vertical, 09'03" broad jump, 4.32 twenty yard shuttle, 7.15 three cone drill.
Deon Anderson is an average blocker, a solid special team player and a nonexistent contributor rushing and receiving. He was also tied for 2nd as the most penalized FB in the league last year. I think some competition for those 300-400 snaps a year could be beneficial. Conner looks good enough to supplant Anderson.
Scouting notes;
"Conner has a thick, muscular build and a low center of gravity. Strong lower half allows him to push the pile in short-yardage situations. Delivers good shots blocking and shows the ability to clear running lanes. Talented special teams player who makes a lot of tackles on kick coverage".
"Old-school traditional lead blocker willing to sell out to knock the linebacker out of the hole. Keeps his head on a swivel and is aggressive in pass protection while blocking inside-out".
"Soft, reliable hands. Shows the ability to extend his arms and pluck the ball out of the air".
"Bullish runner who doesn't waste time looking for the big play. Good lower leg drive and forward body lean to get the tough yards".
Combine Workout Video;
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/09000d5d816ced8b/2010-Combine-workout-John-Conner
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Round 7, Pick 219;
Kevin Matthews, Center, Texas A&M, Rated 317th – 22 years old, 6'3" 298 pounds.
5.27 forty, 32 bench reps, 29" vertical, 08'03" broad jump, 4.83 twenty yard shuttle, 7.69 three cone drill.
His grandfather, Clay Matthews Sr., played in the NFL in the 1950's. His father is one of the NFL's greatest offensive lineman, Hall of Famer Bruce Matthews (14 time Pro Bowls and 9 times All-Pro). His Uncle is 4 time Pro Bowl LB Clay Matthews II. His cousin is 2009 first round pick and rookie Pro Bowler LB Clay Matthews III. It doesn't come much better than that in the bloodlines department.
Started the last 2 years for Texas A&M. Matthews had an "exceptional performance in the position drills" at his Pro Day.
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In conclusion – The 2 positions on defense most needy are filled. Mays can start at Safety and Houston can spell the Rat effectively and help in the Nickle.
Conner arrives to compete with Anderson who's been solid on special teams but uninspiring on offense.
The Offensive Line is given an influx of players to compete both inside and outside. Washington becomes the swing Tackle, backing up Free and Colombo this year, with an eye on Colombo's starting spot in the near future. Inside, Jerry and Matthews join last years third round pick Robert Brewster to hopefully push the McQuistan's and Procter's out the door and then compete for starting spots next year and beyond.
Thanks for reading and let me know what you think.
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I wouldn't boo the pick of Mays
But I do believe that the reasoning you gave is exactly why he won’t be available at pick 27.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
Certainly possible Aussie,
but that would make it 3 Saftey’s gone before #27. That’s a lot. If it does happen though, hopefully that just means an Olineman drops.
I'm not violently opposed to picking Mays the same way I am Campbell.
As for him being an immediate starter, he’d have every chance to win the job against the likes of Ball and Mike Hamlin but I’d almost guarantee he’d have his share of struggles if he did win the job. Houston does seem to possess many of the same qualities as Ratliff so I like that pick too.
However, if things shook out that way I’d probably rather get some combination of safety/receiver in the 1st and 2nd rounds such as Benn or Demaryius Thomas and Burnett. I also have a strong preference for McCourty over Mays at 27.
I voted good draft. I was hoping for more earlier. I think corner is just as important as safety or nose tackle depth and that position wasn’t addressed at all. I love Jerry in the 3rd. I do like the late fliers on Conners and Matthews as well.
Nice post and well thought out Mick, thanks.
I agree that Mays would have some growing pains but overall I think he’d be a better option than Ball or Hamlin.
Your Safety/WR combo would be fine with me too. Benn and Burnett would be great if we could trade down a little.
I’m little surprised though that you think CB is as important as S and NT. I see the Safety spot as needing a starter. I see NT as badly needing a backup who’ll get playing time right away. Where as I see CB as having 3 good players their already.
What do you think of OT Washington as a prospect? I get the feeling Dallas likes him.
Sisterdiddling aside, he's a solid prospect......
………As long as Martellus Bennett doesn’t release any concept albums about his sisterdiddling.
I know Terence Newman was able to stay healthy for the entirety of last season but the fact remains that he is 31 and did miss 9 games in ‘07 and ’08. Now I have no doubts that he’ll provide another two seasons of borderline elite corner play. But I also won’t be shocked the next time he has to miss a month of action and every time that happens you have to worry what the long term effects will be.
Now obviously Jenkins is the real deal and has one corner spot locked down for a long, long time. As for Scandrick, I’m not so sure. Although he was solid for most of the year, he regressed overall and particularly struggled against the Giants. I’m not content with Scandrick as the heir apparent to Newman and I’d like another young promising player to push him for both that role and perhaps even the role as nickel corner.
I hope Dallas likes Tony Washington
When the scout says he plays with a mean streak that’s an understatement. He tries to block his guy into the stands or drive him straight to h*ll. Off the field he had an alarming incident when he was 16, but has matured greatly since then. I’ve had to speak with Tony several times, and as mean as he is on the field he that much nicer and a gentleman off the field. He’s a devoted father (not related to the incident with his sister) and takes responsibility for all his mistakes in the past. He’s listed in the 305-315 lb range but has the frame to add more bulk. I year or two with Joe Juraszek and he could be a real steal of this draft. I’m a full-fledged member of the Tony Washington bandwagon.
give me
Nate Allen, Morgan Burnett or Chris Cook over Taylor Mays…hopefully one of them in rd 2 but even if at 27 so be it.
I think if Mays is there, you have to take him
but I’m still wary. Houston is a good pick if he can adequately play both NT and DE. Otherwise it may be too high to take someone who will only get backup snaps behind Ratliff at NT. But I like the pick because I do think he’s capable.
In general, I’d prefer that someone prior to the Boys lands Mays and Jerry and Co. go BPA. I’d hoping the Boys can get Myron Lewis later in the draft. I love the rest of your picks with the exception of the 6th rounder on Connor. I wouldn’t hate it, I just believe with 3 quality TE’s the need for a classic FB is greatly diminished. I’d almost rather take a flier on a big HB and put significant time into developing his lead blocking.
Mays cant cover...
This is no band wagon talk this is a known NFL NETWORK special!!!
Mays even said it out of his own mouth he have to work on his coverage.
So you are telling me you will pass on Nate Allen and Burnett for Mays?
Its all.....
about scheme does he fit what Dallas is doing? This guy may be the truth at Safety but me ill look at other dafties with cover and man to man abilities
That's my feeling on Mays as well
he’s a first-round talent, just don’t think he fits the profile of what Dallas wants in a safety. Mick makes an interesting argument that Mays may be able to transform into that type of player, but I’m sure Dallas would prefer he not be on the board when they pick.
I do feel this........
If Dallas scouts and coaches he could be that player in a few years then i say take him… If not dont waste the pick
Everybody agrees on Mays' measureables.....
It’s his play in the games that stinks.
I had not thought about this but Houston came to Texas as a running back and could take some snaps there as a goal line blocker or runner.I just know about him playing on the nose.
I like the later picks but I would pass on Mays.
by TCB Orange Dino on Apr 17, 2010 11:29 AM CDT reply actions
This is why I'd like to trade up a couple spots
cause its very possible all those OL go right before us. I like your draft overall, but I think its practically a requirement that we come out of this draft with a top ol prospect who can start immediately. I just don’t see this OL going through another season without injuries.
I don’t know enough about Mays to make an argument either way. I think hes being underrated at this point though. I wouldn’t be opposed to taking him, but given your first round, I’d prefer to trade down a couple and grab an extra third if possible.
i think mays is like campbell
high risk/reward and is risk i would not like to play with, the pick i loved the most was the lamar houston one
Really like those picks.
Resigning myself to the idea of Pouncey being gone at 27. Love the Matthews pick late and the picking of three linemen in the Draft. Bound to get a hit or two. Taylor Mays at 27 isn’t my first choice, but willing to give it a shot. We might just strike gold.
Wow
People dont give Mays enough credit. Yeah he hid his share of struggles his last season but it was his play on the field during his previous year that wouldve made him a top draft pick. So he was obviously doing something right.. And USC’s Defense was horrible last year and gave the secondary no help.
People seem to think he’s all physique and overrated. I would choose him if he’s there.
Gonna be a star. Hopefully with a star on his helmet.
by howboutdemcowboyz on Apr 17, 2010 7:11 PM CDT reply actions
I'll be highly disappointed
if we pick Mays since he can’t cover and has bad instincts.
In Romo we Trust
The Cowboy's scouting department
would disagree with you. They gave Mays a first round grade.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Apr 17, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, that's been argued to exhaustion...
But the Cowboys surely gave 1st Round picks to guys like:
Bradford
Clausen
Spiller
And at least one of the DEs that can’t transition to 3-4 DE or OLB.
It doesn’t mean that they’re going to take them, it just says what the team thinks of them because they have to do their homework in preparation for the draft.
And we don’t even know what the team thinks of him… For all that we know they may think that a 4-3 team is going to take him to move him to WLB… They could also think that a team could use him as Arizona uses Adrian Wilson, as a near the box SS…
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
They also need a DE...
But they won’t take a DE that doesn’t fit their scheme (a 4-3 End).
My contention has always been that Mays doesn’t fit into Wade’s preferred scheme and that’s what I tried to say up there, the Cowboys won’t take a player that doesn’t fit into what they like to do.
I’m just stating my opinion, you guys are doing the same.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
You keep saying 'scheme'?
Just what do you think Wade wants his Safety’s to do? Man-up on the slot guy all game? Maybe take the other teams #1 WR for a few snaps?
You said yourself a few day ago that Wade likes to play his safety’s 2-deep or the whole secondary cover-4. That suits Mays fine. It certainly suits him more than the cover-1 single high Safety he played very often in college (and he still did a good job of it).
Safety’s are also routinely in their teams top 3 tacklers. It’s not just about how they line up in man coverage, they to be physical and strong too. He’ll be doing more tackling at safety than he will be lining up one-on-one with WR’s. That’s what your CB’s are for.
Yes, Wade likes to use his Safeties 2-deep and in cover-4....
But it doesn’t fit Mays fine. Let’s look at the past few years for whatever it’s worth…
Ken Hamlin and Roy Williams. Who looked better back there and why? Was that because Hamlin had much better hips, range and instincts?
Gerald Sensabaugh and Ken Hamlin. Who looked better back there and why? Sensabaugh is faster, has better hips and a much better backpedal (Rafael remarked in TC how his athlethicism made him compete with CBs).
And we can also look at Wade’s years in San Diego, Atlanta and Buffalo, his Safeties were always the size of Sensabaugh and Hamlin because he prioritizes range and reaction speed over tackling ability, they didn’t tended to be in the top 3 in tackles, because he wants them way back as the last line of defense.
Mays has the straight line speed to minimize some of the concerns, but it’s the other things (backpedal, hips, instincts and awareness) the ones that give me pause.
And it isn’t as if Wade’s Defense needs to be toyed with… It’s an extremely good Defense, having to change it to fit the skills of one player is a recipe for disaster.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
I think this is
a very interesting debate. It breaks down to why they jettissoned Ken Hamlin. Was it because of the lack of ints.which is the popular belief, or because Wade wants to use more zone blitz schemes? Only Wade knows for sure. As for Mays, I am not that worried about his back pedal and hips if Wade is going to stick to his basic 2 and 4 deep cover schemes. I think Mays WOULD be a beast on a team like the Jets or Ravens because of the versatility of their defensive schemes. If the Cowboys do take him, it would seem a waste if they didn’t use him in a way that maximizes his skills. They don’t have to scrap the entire defense to add a little diversity.
No it was because a Roy became a slow, lazy, fat boy.
And unlike Roy, Ken Hamlin actually put some effort into the film room and was aware of his responsibilities and the responsibilities of others. Roy didn’t stand there with that dumbfounded look on his face pointing fingers because he had bad hips it was because without Woodson giving him direct orders he had no idea what he was doing the last few years.
Were Roy’s backpedal and hips holding him back those first few years when he was smashing people everywhere and picking off passes and getting selected All-Pro?
Sorry, my computer froze and I clicked enter after writing yeah...
One of Roy’s biggest problems came in plays were he took awful angles to the play, that isn’t a problem of film studying, it’s more a problem of physical limitations, he couldn’t turn and change directions as fast and his poor awareness showed.
His poor backpedal didn’t helped when he was supposed to cover TEs, either.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Wade's most successful Safety he ever coached by a huge margin was Steve Atwater.
Wade was the defensive coordinator in Denver when they selected Steve Atwater in the First Round in 1989 and he coached him until 1994.
In that time in Wade’s defense the 6’3" 221 pound Atwater was selected to 5 Pro Bowls and 2 All-Pro teams.
Looking back through the years almost all the other Safety’s he coached were smaller and they were garbage too.
You're actually trying to use an example of an early 90's Safety...
… In this conversation?
Wow, it isn’t as if the League has changed a bit… One bit of trivia: back then how many teams kept one in the box safety and how many use that kind of safety in today’s League?
BTW, I’m backing down from this conversation, there’s no way in which something positive will come out of this.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
I'm just saying,
you cited that Wade uses smaller Safety’s now but all the small safety’s he’s had have been average at best. Look at Wade’s pass defense rating numbers at the teams he’s been at with these small safety’s, mostly bottom half to bottom third in the league. Why aren’t all the small, fast hip Safety’s getting it done for him?
What I’m saying is I don’t care whether the Safety’s big or small just that he’s a good player who’ll work hard. I think Taylor Mays fits that description.
Smaller, better hips doesn’t necessarily equal success.
Mays is no more a guaranteed bust than #8 overall pick, coverage safety, Michael ‘great hips and backpedal’ Huff was a guaranteed success (4 Int’s in 51 games and many missed tackles hardly makes Huff a success).
He'll be an excellent safety
For any DC creative enough to use him the right way. If he gets to the Jets, I may begin watching every one of their games just to see how Rex Ryan uses a weapon of this caliber.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
I gave this draft an excellent grade, Luke
and I would LOVE me some May$. I think he’ll be a superstar by his 2nd season in the league due to his measurables and work ethic, which I’ve stated on here before. Someone else with a great defensive petigree will probably take him though, like the Jets or Baltimore. If he falls to 27, Phillips snaps him up and dances a jig. I also really liked your other picks, filling most major needs that we have. Your article is clear, concise and very well argued/.stated, reasoning-wise. You’re giving Raf a run for his money here, bro. Good work.
"Let me not mourn for heroes who have died fighting but rather let me be glad such heroes have lived." G.S. Patton
Thanks Jahii.
Mays has very good potential and most importantly, like you said, he’s got a ridiculous work ethic and is very coachable. That’s a pretty good combination.
Interview with Mays talking talking about his visit to Valley Ranch
http://67.72.16.166/krldf/2332307.mp3
I think we do think we fans automatically get a bias when we hear the comparison to Roy.
Is he another Roy? I don’t know, but when it comes down to it, I trust the coaches in their film study and time with him to be able figure out if he’s capable of playing what they need from a S.
So I can’t say he’s my fav pick now, but if they pick him, I’ll feel good about it, confident and a lot more excited about his upside than worried about comparisons with Roy. Only his play will tell the tale, but I do think he has the potential to be a very good player in this league, and could be the last piece to basically complete a very high quality starting roster across this defense which could easily be a top 5 defense this season.
What If Pouncey Is Also Available?
Pouncey or Mays? Even if you love Mays, this is a tough choice.
I'd take Pouncey,
we need Olineman in the worst way.
But I’ve got a feeling him and Iupati might be gone.
I be all over Pouncey
I feel Mays is to over hyped. All them stats are nice but is he a good tackler or always going for the big hit. Because if he is going to be the FS he needs to be a very good tackler.
by tattooed cowboy on Apr 19, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I've heard that there is
many teams in the teens who would seriously consider Dez if he’s there. Anyone from Denver (11), San Fran (13 & 17), Seattle (14), Pittsburgh (18), Atlanta (19), to the Bengals (21) could grab him.
San Fran is out of the Dez sweepstakes..
They have Ginn and Crabtree, they wont be paying another receiver top dollars. I also don’t think that the Bengals or Atlanta will touch him. The Bengals just signed Antonio Bryant and have other needs. I believe Atlanta has 2 high WR, Roddy White and someone else.. but they also have other pressing needs. I can, however, see Denver, Seattle and Pittsburgh in the race for him.
Good points.
Forgot that the Bengals had signed Bryant to a big deal.
San Fran might consider it with their second first rounder. They don’t really have anyone after Crabtree. I don’t know if getting Ginn for a 5th precludes them from taking a top WR but I agree with your premise that it does make it less likely.
Atlanta’s #2 WR Jenkins has been underwhelming so maybe they look for another superstar for their offense and young QB.
It’ll be interesting to see where he goes.
SF really isn't paying Ginn a lot
His numbers are all south of $2M per year: 2010- $1.03M; 2011- $1.39M, 2012- $1.8M(voidable).
In comparison, we’re paying Hurd $1.76M this year to basically be a special teams gunner and 4th(or 5th) WR. We paid him $1.5M last year.
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In his latest mock Goose has Dez going to Dallas.
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I put it as a good draft
And I think it is really close to being an excellent one. I’m not a huge fan of Mays, but I think if the Cowboys’ staff thinks that he is better than Allen, then I’d be very happy with it. You make a strong case for him and it convinced me to not be so hard on him. I’m actually warming up to him in fact. A physical freak, with a great motor and a hard worker. I just hope he is intelligent enough.
the real difference between Roy W and Mays in college
is that Roy made plays all over the field.
Mays, notsomuch.
I don’t want the Tony Mandarich of the defensive backfield.
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On NFL Network, all those guys said Mays was NOT a 1st rounder
Matter of fact, Casserly and Lombardi said he was probably better suited as an NFL linebacker.
The one thing you didnt mention regarding Roy Williams vs Taylor Mays was this:
Roy made plays. Mays made virtually no big plays.
I will take a ballplayer over a workout warrior every day.
Tuna said Roy Williams was a biscuit away from being a LB.
In an interview Willie was ask if he was thinking about retiring. He paused for a moment, smiled and replied " I play music and golf, which one do you think I need to give up"?
I'd love this draft!
3 quality O Line prospects, I agree that Taylor Mays would be an impact player from Day 1, and a quality DL prospect. Of all the picks, he’s the least likely to be there for Dallas in round 2. Guys like him rise to the top of round 2, borderline round 1
I think of al the mocks I have seen this draft season
this one is my favorite. I only wish there was some way to get a good WR prospect into the mix, without losing any of these players.
I was in the anti-Mays camp...
but this was mostly about not wanting another Roy W. – which is completely unfair.
You paint a fairly compelling picture on Mays but I do worry about getting too excited about physical stats. Its the games tapes and intangibles that are far more important.
Overall though I would be very happy with this draft, including being prepared to give Mays a shot.
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