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With the 27th pick in the BGN mock draft, the Cowboys select...

Per the request of APerfectStar, and risking the ire of Big Ham, I made this a fan post.  If you already read it in the fan shot section, sorry for the redundancy.  Anyway, I had the Cowboys in the BGN mock draft and took Maurkice Pouncey.  It's written for the BGN audience, of course, so I'm sure I'm saying a lot of things you guys already know, as well as a few that you may not.  Besides, since Terry can't post on BGN, I have to give him the chance to argue with it, haha.  Enjoy.

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The Cowboys' offensive line is old, and has absolutely no depth whatsoever.  It should be their biggest, most glaring concern heading into the 2010 season and beyond.

So how old are they?  The Cowboys' OL is so old, that...

  • By the end of the 2010 season, 4 of their starters (Marc Colombo, Leonard Davis, Andre Gurode, and Kyle Kosier) will all be 32 years old. With the exception of Juqua Parker, if you put those 4 players on the Eagles, they would be the 4 oldest non-kickers on the team.
  • Despite dumping 34 year old Flozell Adams and getting 8 years younger at LT with the 26 year old Doug Free, the Cowboys still have the oldest offensive line in the NFL, with an average age of 30.2 years.
  • Someone told them to act their age, and they died.  OK, so that didn't really happen.

But wait, 32 isn't that old... Is it?  It's certainly old for running backs, but offensive linemen usually play into their late 30's... Right?

Wrong.  A little trivia for everyone reading this... In the entire NFL, how many offensive linemen are 34 years of age or older, are currently on an NFL roster, and are clearly going to start for their team in the 2010 season?  (Jeopardy music playing)... The answer - One.  Jeff Saturday, at 34, is the only definite starting offensive lineman over 33 years of age in the entire NFL, which means that there are NONE that are 35 years of age or older.  Of the longtime NFL OL starters that may not be starters anymore… Walter Jones (36) has already "tweeted" that he’s retiring, Kevin Mawae (39) and Flozell Adams (34) don’t have a team to call home, and Casey Wiegmann (36) is expected to lose an open competition for the starting Chiefs’ center job to the legendary Rudy Niswanger (per Arrowhead Pride).  Now, if the Cowboys are of the belief that NFL players lose their ability overnight, then they don’t have to worry for a couple years. But if they’re of the belief that a gradual, steady decline begins a few years before they can no longer compete at a high level in the NFL, then the Cowboys should probably start to do something about getting younger as soon as possible.

How did the Cowboys get to this point, where they’re realistically going to have to replace 4 of their 5 starting offensive linemen in the next few years?

he simple answer is… They haven’t fared well when drafting offensive linemen.  The last accomplished offensive lineman the Cowboys drafted was Andre Gurode, with their 2nd round pick way back in 2002.  After calling Gurode’s name, here’s a list of offensive linemen they’ve drafted since…

There’s not really much that needs to be said about that list.  I know it’s bad, you know it’s bad, Cowboys fans even know it’s bad.  If you’ll notice though, not only have the Cowboys not drafted any offensive linemen in the 1st round the list above, but the Cowboys have not drafted a single offensive lineman in the 1st round in the entire Jerry Jones era.  In fact, you’d have to go back to 1981 to find one.  But perhaps the biggest failure was in 2009, when despite having a whopping total of 12 draft picks, they only drafted ONE offensive lineman, which is mind-boggling considering the age of their collective offensive line.

The pick here is simple.  The Cowboys should be flat out thrilled should Maurkice Pouncey drop to this spot.  He’s a Top 20 talent, and at pick 27, the Cowboys can get good value and fill a major need.  In a dream scenario, one of the top tackles will fall here to Dallas, but since their entire OL needs to be turned over in the very near future, Pouncey fits nicely.  He’s a bigger center at 6’4, 304, and the Cowboys like bulk on the OL.  He can compete immediately with Kyle Kosier for the starting LG job, while learning from one of the better centers in the NFL, Andre Gurode.  This pick will solidify a G/C spot for the next decade.  A little useless combine footage of Pouncey...

With the arrival of Pouncey, the Cowboys can now also move on from the disaster that is Cory Procter.  Procter served as the only depth behind Andre Gurode at center (he’s also a backup guard), and that has been the main reason he’s been able to stick around for way longer than he should have.  Mr. Procter, I leave you with one final salute… Funny locker room guy, bad player…

And a little bonus coverage – Just like we don’t have a lot of tape on Kevin Kolb and aren’t quite sure what to expect of him, Cowboys fans are a little unsure of what to expect of a player that’s slated to start at the extremely important LT position, Doug Free.  Since we’re already on the topic of the Cowboys’ OL, it seems like an appropriate time to take a look at him.  Free is known as a very athletic LT that moves his feet extremely well.  He can get to the second level very quickly, and is great in the screen game.  However, he doesn’t anchor well, and can be bullied by physical defensive ends.  He was no match for Jared Allen in the Cowboys’ playoff game vs. Minnesota.  That said, a little tape on Free – (Note – Be sure you haven’t eaten in the past hour before watching this).  On this play, watch Free, who is playing RT.  By the time Felix Jones is 10 yards downfield and at the 40 yard line, Free has already come all the way across the field, is 10 yards ahead of Jones at the 30, and is already engaged on the last possible guy that can make a play on Jones, which happens to be Sheldon Brown.  This is really impressive athleticism by a guy of Free’s size…

The previous picks...

#1 Ndamukong Suh, #2 Russell Okung, #3 Gerald McCoy, #4 Sam Bradford, #5 Eric Berry, #6 Trent Williams, #7 Jimmy Clausen, #8 Bruce Campbell, #9 Bryan Bulaga, #10 Derrick Morgan, #11 Rolando McClain, #12 Sergio Kindle, #13 Joe Haden, #14 C.J. Spiller, #15 Mike Iupati, #16 Jason Pierre-Paul, #17 Anthony Davis, #18 Kyle Wilson, #19 Brandon Graham, #20 Dan Williams, #21 Dez Bryant, #22 Tim Tebow, #23 Charles Brown, #24 Sean Weatherspoon, #25 Earl Thomas, #26 Terrence Cody

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I'd be fine with that pick.

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 17, 2010 5:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Bye, Dawk

You really are a Cowboys fan at heart. Not even Terry would post that Felix Jones run on BGN. Thanks for a good pick. I hope you’re right.

by oldboysfan on Apr 17, 2010 7:01 PM CDT reply actions  

no argument from me Dawk

I like the pick

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 17, 2010 7:20 PM CDT reply actions  

i was ok with this as a fanpost

but i’m glad you’re starting to admit you’re a cowboy

by ratware on Apr 17, 2010 7:34 PM CDT reply actions  

The Pats took Tebow in round 1?

10 to 1 the guy who had the responsibility of picking for Bellicheat was partying with a bunch of guys in dreadlocks on a beach in Jamaica at the time he mailed that one in.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Apr 17, 2010 7:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Yup...

Everyone pretty much hammered him on that one. Senseless pick.

by JimmyK on Apr 17, 2010 7:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I dunno

the pats do like him, and that is the perfect situation for him, behind an elite QB where he’s under no pressure to start, and can work on his technique for a while with great coaching and mentoring from Brady. Then they can turn around and trade him off like they did Cassel. Not a totally implausible or poor pick imo.

by scottmaui on Apr 17, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd actually consider that the Patsies would be grooming.....

…Tebow to take over for Brady in 3-5 years when he retires. Brady is 32 after all. I certainly don’t think they’d pick him just to be able to flip him in a few years.

by MadMick on Apr 17, 2010 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

But I do agree it's goofy that they'd pick Tebow that high.

Would they use one of their three 2nd-rounders on him? Certainly.

by MadMick on Apr 17, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

i agree

but… 32 isn’t necessarily that old for a QB, and how long do you want Tebow on the bench? 5 years? I could easily see Brady still playing in 5 years, and after 3 years when Tebow is NFL ready, the Pats saying we can’t start him, and with the premium on QBs in the league, let’s get our value back for him. If Brady retires earlier, tho, then they’ve got him ready.

I also don’t think they’ll take him in the first round. Second wouldn’t surprise me. But I think someone might take him in the first, it’s certainly not that far-fetched, even some teams higher than the Pats. and Bellicheat can be pretty unpredictable lol.

by scottmaui on Apr 18, 2010 3:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, I was thinking more from the standpoint of how cut-throat the Pats are as an organization.

And/or how sentimental they aren’t. The Jets and Dolphins are making aggressive enough moves that I don’t think it will be anywhere near the same kind of cakewalk for the Pats to the AFC East Division Crown they’ve become accustomed to.

What if over the next three years:
-The Pats only win one division crown?
-The Pats only get as deep as the AFC Title Game round once?

What would a 35-year old Brady be worth? Now, of course, for something like this to actually happen Tebow would’ve had to filled in for some four or five-stretch of games and showed that there’s something to him.

by MadMick on Apr 19, 2010 4:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

As for Tebow, is he really that inferior of a product to that dimwitted dwarf Rex Grossman?

After all, Grossman did play in Spurrier’s very QB-friendly Fun N’ Gun and apparently his mechanics should’ve been scrutinized a little more closely because he even effed up simple things like the QB/center exchange more than any QB in recent memory. Tebow’s bigger and there’s been no real knocks on his arm strength.

Since Tebow isn’t going to go anywhere and start this season, the biggest danger for Tebow is using him too much in the wildcat and him getting killed trying to truck over NFL-quality defenders the way he did college guys. He’s already been damaged significantly by the killshot he took from the Kentucky dude. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Cc8fwpYAHM&feature=related

by MadMick on Apr 19, 2010 4:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sexy Rexy = BUST

Tebow = SOON TO BE A BUST

They both end up on the same NFL Network show about prominent college QB’s that never made it in the NFL in 5 years.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Apr 19, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Or Maybe

He was with Jerry and his new GM.

by oldboysfan on Apr 17, 2010 7:42 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd have told him to draft Tebow

That’s like an Oakland pick IMO.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Apr 17, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

great pick

I’d be delighted with Pouncey if he fell to us at 27, he’s my #1 choice, pet cat. takes several wow picks in front of us to get him, but it could happen, and if it does it’s a no-brainer. immediate depth across the interior, ready to take over for Kosier or Gurode in 2011, and since we just did get younger at LOT, I think interior line is actually more of a pressing need than OT anyway.

by scottmaui on Apr 17, 2010 9:01 PM CDT reply actions  

In all fairness

That impression Proctor did cracked me up.

by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 17, 2010 9:52 PM CDT reply actions  

It's a nice post

Are you sure your really a Eagle’s fan?

by Trey, on Apr 17, 2010 10:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Love the pick.

Thanks for thinking like a Cowboy, even if it might have pained you to do so. Dez Bryant and Pouncey happen to be my favorite players for the Cowboys in the first (That have any kind of possibilities, even minute.. leave me alone… to make it to the Cowboys). I would be jumping for joy with this pick. Our guard for a year or two and then our center for so many years to come.

by Static on Apr 17, 2010 11:48 PM CDT reply actions  

I would love this pick

It’s too good to be true. He’ll be gone. You’ve done your job. Getting our hopes up, only to be crushed on Thursday. I HOPE YOU’RE HAPPY.

Seriously, though, good job. Put a lot of effort analyzing a team you loathe and actually making a smart pick. Thumbs up, good sir.

Epic Fail since 1985

by the red scare on Apr 18, 2010 2:42 AM CDT reply actions  

My only question is this: where's the evidence Free had a bad day in Minnesota?

I haven’t re-watched the game (too painful), but I don’t recall Jared Allen having a huge day. In fact, a few people have posted on BTB that, after watching again, Free was the least of our O-Line problems that day (I know, not saying much, but hey… maybe ask an Eagle, they were home watching, right? :)

The other discussion this week was around Free’s play in practice vs. Demarcus Ware, and how he’s impressed the coaching staff to leave them confident in starting him at LT.

The proof will be in a full season of starts. But I for one am confident we are okay with our new LT.

Pouncey? I’d be running around in the streets if that happens. Please, BD… be right for once :P

Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)

by DalaiLuke on Apr 18, 2010 7:04 AM CDT reply actions  

You are right...

Free didn’t have a bad game (it also wasn’t great). He was in for 40 snaps and gave up 2 QB pressures (which was the fewest on the Cowboys line that day; next closest was Gurode who gave up 4). That 1 Jared Allen sack was credited to Jason Witten. Flozell, whom he replaced, was in for 27 snaps and gave up 4 pressures to Allen, who despite not having a boat-load of sacks like Ray Edwards, actually had probably the best game of any Vikings defender.

by BVandy on Apr 18, 2010 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, a slow and rusty Colombo was the issue in Minnesota

Both of Allen’s big plays came against Witten one-on-one, not Free. Edwards was the major problem in that game, and he was playing left DE versus Colombo.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Apr 18, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

my take

I voted yes for liking the pick but it`s a little iffy, first off prior combine he was slightly taller than 6ft 5 and now is a tad over 6ft 4 and 318 became 304…I think the Boy`s would want him in the 320 range. As for comments concerning Free and Jared Allen, Allen managed one sack when Free kicked inside and Kosier failed to kick out and Witten whiffed other than that he was pretty much a non factor.

by ziggy19 on Apr 18, 2010 8:26 AM CDT reply actions  

Pouncey

…is pretty much the same size as Kosier (6’5" 307) and I’m sure he can put on the other 13lbs between now and when he’s 31 to match Gurode.;)

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Apr 18, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

hate to agree with an eagle fan...

but would take Pouncey in a heart beat. Top rated pick at his position and is projected as a starter his rook year.

"What we've got here is failure to communicate"

by angie'sdad on Apr 18, 2010 8:53 AM CDT reply actions  

I disagreed with the pick

not because I don’t like Pouncey, I do. But if Mays is still available, he’s my pick. I think he’s getting a bum rap from all the “experts” online.

"Let me not mourn for heroes who have died fighting but rather let me be glad such heroes have lived." G.S. Patton

by JAHII on Apr 18, 2010 10:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Pouncey

Not even close

Let the chips fall where they may

by sublimezg on Apr 18, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

…Pouncey fills a bigger need and is a better fit for our system.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Apr 18, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know

Safety is a pretty big need. I’m not saying I like Mays over Pouncey, but I think Safety is the bigger need. Ask yourself this: would you rather have the best C in the draft or the best S in the draft? And with people saying Pouncey is the best Center prospect in 10 years, would you rather have him, or Ed Reed?

Basically, I’ll take Pouncey over Mays, but no way in hell would I take him over Berry or Thomas (obviously neither will fall, but this illustrates that Safety is the bigger need).

And I know that interior O-Linemen are drafted low, but there’s a reason for that: they’re not as big of a need. Pouncey plays his position as well as anyone in the draft, yet a whole lot of teams are going to pass on him; a few teams may pass on him twice.

So pardon my disposition; why should I listen to a system that never listened to me?

by NICK L on Apr 20, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

You partly answered yourself for me

I’d take Pouncey over Mays and the other two won’t fall that far so it’s a moot point.

As for which is the bigger need, we’ve got more young depth at Safety than we do on the OL. Ball and M. Hamlin plus a 2nd or 3rd round FS in this draft should be able to hold down the fort for one position. The LG, C, RG and RT all need to be backed up and replaced in the next couple years. Pouncey can help with depth at 3 of those positions.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Apr 20, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Love you like a brother OCC, but...

If we pick Taylor Mays in the first round I’m going to throw my beer through my new flatscreen that I bought to watch the draft.

Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK

by HudBaby on Apr 19, 2010 3:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

can you videotape that?

Please :)

Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)

by DalaiLuke on Apr 19, 2010 6:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hud

That’s not OCC, though he is using OCC’s avatar.

"The last time the Eagles visited Cowboys Stadium, they were spitting on the star. This time they left Cowboys Stadium pissing their pants."- Mike "Fish" Fisher

by DC_fan on Apr 19, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Indeed

I can’t imagine that he cut and pasted the Cowboys star onto the exact same position on Captain America’s chest as I did :-)

by One.Cool.Customer on Apr 19, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1 on the beer throwing...lol

"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham

by Boyzfan94 on Apr 21, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I sort of agree. I picked Pouncey based on what I think they should do, not necessarily what they will do.

by JimmyK on Apr 21, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree.

I’m fine with either as long as Jerry doesn’t get too goofy with a possible trade up; which I’m sure he’ll do.

by MadMick on Apr 21, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll add Jerry is stupid as hell...

If he trades THIS year’s first and second-rounder to move up and get Dez.

by MadMick on Apr 21, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

btw Dawk

this is all really solid analysis, good write up, thx

by scottmaui on Apr 18, 2010 12:44 PM CDT reply actions  

I said it last year and I'll say it again

Doug Free was a better option last year than Flo. I said that in the pre season. What I saw him doing on the second level in pre season was really special. his run blocking at the point of attack was much stronger than I thought it would be and his only weakness was getting bull rushed. rotovibe pointed out that it was a technique flaw and could be fixed.

I’m not giving up on pat McQuistan either. The guy has some talent and could be a player if the chance arrives. Bill Parcells did not rave often about players but the ones he did all turned out to be superstars except one- Pat McQuistan.

Corey Proctor is a joke.

oh yea on madden its damned near impossible to cut flozell, hes got a hundred year contract or something :)

by Musiccitynorm on Apr 18, 2010 3:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Cory P

That is not what you’d call “an NFL body”

Is he working out w/“Mount Cody”?

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Apr 18, 2010 4:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Other than Free having an awful day at Minnesota (no one was great, but he

wasn’t the main problem), i can’t quibble with what you’ve said. I’m praying for an O lineman in the first round. And that Cory Procter vid may be MORE terrifying than Buffalo Bill.

by Fernie67 on Apr 18, 2010 5:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Can't disagree Bye Dawk

and 90% of BTB readers can’t be wrong. I believe 5Blings’ mock had the Cowboys drafting linemen 1 and 2. That makes sense, considering the O-line is the foundation of an excellent offense. Or so we’ve been told since we were wee tykes.

I think Cowboys fans would be ecstatic if Free could play decently, and Robert Brewster and Pat McQ competed for some playing time. Add in a couple high draft picks and you have the beginning of a new and youthful O-line. Hopefully.

Btw, when the heck did Montrae Holland leave?

by DavidH22 on Apr 18, 2010 7:55 PM CDT reply actions  

He became an Unrestricted Free Agent

There was no effort to bring him back since he was healthy/inactive for pretty much every game last season. He fell out of favor for whatever reason.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Apr 18, 2010 8:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome writeup. But I don't believe it

I don’t see Pouncy making it down to #27. How does mount Cody go so high in your mock?

by JimmyJohnson on Apr 18, 2010 10:29 PM CDT reply actions  

BD,

You make a compelling argument.

If you could summon this impartiality on a regular basis, you would make a hell of a journalist.

Your only credibility gap exists when you compare Cowboy fans to yankee fans and that we are somehow bandwagon(?). I have to laugh every time I read that.

Great post. Is Terry really banned? If it’s true that’s too bad. I would want that guy to argue for me in court.

Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK

by HudBaby on Apr 19, 2010 3:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Is Terry really banned?

Apparently, yes. I think he got banned for running his mouth immediately after a Cowboys win over the Eagles a couple years ago (the year the Giants won the SB, I think). That’s a big no-no.

by JimmyK on Apr 19, 2010 7:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am too

So unfair…

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Apr 19, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ha, what did you do?

by JimmyK on Apr 19, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

A little thing called the Cincadelphia Beagles

It was a great post, IMO.

Obviously, the BGN’ers are hypersensitive about that stuff.

Who knew???

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on Apr 22, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

not true Dawk

I got banned because Jason is a sensitive little girl, I was commenting on that game thread, just simple trash talk, nothing more.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 19, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Talking smack during or after a beatdown is basically asking for a ban, haha. I don’t know specifically what you said so I can’t really comment on whether I agree with your ban or not, but if you’re on the site of the opposition after your team just spanked them, people are pissed and patience is short – Probably best to wait a week.

by JimmyK on Apr 19, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Grizz doesn't ban fans here for smack talk

so long as there are no personal attacks or profanity and I did neither that night. Like I said, Jason is just a sensitive little girl.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 20, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, again, don’t know what you said, so I can’t comment on whether or not I agree with the ban… But I know that after losses, when I want to discuss how/why we lost and vent about how much we suck, I don’t need some fan of the opposing team saying “Nanner nanner nanners!” Personally, I have no problem with those kinds of bans.

That said, just as quickly as you were banned, you can very easily be “un-banned.” Here’s my suggestion… If you want to be reinstated, email Jason, apologize for whatever you did, and ask to be reinstated… nicely. He’ll let you back in.

by JimmyK on Apr 20, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

A month ago

I was fairly certain Pouncey would be available at #27, but right now, I’m feeling like he’ll be off the board before Dallas picks. Hope I’m wrong.

Again good job on the write up BD, only a Cowboys fan (at heart) would put this much effort into it ;)

to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''

by APerfectStar on Apr 19, 2010 11:21 PM CDT reply actions  

A lot of people are now saying he could very easily go in the top half of the first. Personally, my dream draft scenario would be for Eric Berry to slip to 10, and the Eagles trade up with Jax from 24 and only having to give up their late 2 (55th). But that’s not happening.

If they stay put at 24, Pouncey would be an excellent consolation prize.

by JimmyK on Apr 20, 2010 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

I see the Eagles trading with Miami

Parcells will likely want a 2nd rounder back (from the Marshall trade), and Philly really, really want some help in the secondary. Berry is highly unlikely to even come close to the 10th spot, but if both Joe Haden and Earl Thomas are still there at 12, the Eagles will immediately wet themselves and trade up to 12th with Miami. Miami trades its 12th (1,200) and 4th rounder (111th, 72) for Philly’s 24th (740) and 37th (530) pick. 1,272 to 1270, everybody’s happy.

by One.Cool.Customer on Apr 20, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

Miami trades its 12th (1,200) and 4th rounder (111th, 72) for Philly’s 24th (740) and 37th (530) pick. 1,272 to 1270, everybody’s happy.

I wouldn’t be happy. Personally, I find the draft value chart useless. The picks that teams like Philly and Dallas have at 24 and 27 (especially in this ridiculously deep draft) aren’t that much less valuable than the early picks in the first round. There are a ton of great players in this draft. And Philly’s pick at 37 is gold – Teams will have the opportunity to regroup, assess how the first round shook out and decide if it’s worth putting a package together for one of the early picks in the 2nd round. I would hate… that’s H-A-T-E… to see the Eagles piss away that 37th overall pick to move up to 12. I’ll even take it a step further – If the Chiefs wanted to trade their 5th overall pick, which I’m sure has some sort of crazy high number on the draft value chart, for the 24th and 37th (which would give us Eric Berry), I wouldn’t even consider that deal.

Now… if we’re talking the 24 and the 55 for Jacksonville’s 10th overall (assuming either Berry or Derrick Morgan is still on the board), now we’re getting somewhere.

by JimmyK on Apr 20, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

pass the pipe my man

I in turn will accept no less than all three of New Englands 3 second rounders for our extremely valuable 27th pick :-)

by One.Cool.Customer on Apr 20, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let's take a closer look at how silly the draft value chart is... And I'll even use the team you mentioned, the Pats...

Their picks, and values associated with those picks…

1st round – 22th overall – 780
2nd round – 44th overall – 460
2nd round – 47th overall – 430
2nd round – 53rd overall – 370
4th round – 119th overall – 56
6th round – 190th overall – 14.6
7th round – 229th overall – 1
7th round – 231st overall – 1

8 total picks, including 1 in the first and 3 in the second – Total value of the Pats’ entire draft = 2,113

Total value of the first overall pick = 3,000

With that said, would you agree that the draft value charts overvalue the early picks to an insane degree?

by JimmyK on Apr 20, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

And just for fun, let's do Dallas...

1st round (27th overall) – 680
2nd round (59th overall) – 310
3rd round (90th overall) – 140
4th round (125th overall) – 47
6th round (196th overall) – 13
7th round (234th overall) – 1

Total Value – 1,191

The Dolphins’ pick at 12th overall = 1,200

Wanna trade your entire draft for the 12th overall pick?

by JimmyK on Apr 20, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was actually thinking that as I typed it.

by JimmyK on Apr 20, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well, well, well, in the end, the draft value chart wasn't all that far off

The Trade: Denver traded the No. 13 (1,150) overall pick to Philadelphia for the No. 24 (740) overall pick, and two third round picks, No. 70 (240) and No. 87 (155). Denver gave up 1,150 and got back 1,135. So much for that ‘useless’ chart.

by One.Cool.Customer on Apr 23, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

Haha, touche… But in fairness, I felt like we gave up too much.

by JimmyK on Apr 23, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

And screw you and your stupid math… jerk.

by JimmyK on Apr 23, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

rofl, as soon as that trade happened I had visions of green men in leotards dancing before my eyes. I whipped out the draft value chart and the green men disappeared again.

by One.Cool.Customer on Apr 23, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha, honestly, one of my first thoughts when I heard what they gave up was… “Oh no, that sounds like it’s probably pretty close on the draft value chart.” But immediate research on Brandon Graham superseded looking it up, and then I just forgot about it… until you reminded me of course.

by JimmyK on Apr 23, 2010 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gosselin has him going very late in the first

I believe Rick.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Apr 20, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

That does give me a little more hope

If he still has him late in the 1st in his final mock on Thur AM, I’ll be even more hopeful.

to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''

by APerfectStar on Apr 20, 2010 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

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