Ken Hamlin and Flozell Adams Released by the Cowboys
[Update: This in from the DMN: the Cowboys released both Ken Hamlin and Flozell Adams.]
Not only is this Ken Hamlin's final day, the Cowboys have also decided to release left tackle Flozell Adams, according to his agent, Jordan Woy.
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"He has enjoyed his time in Dallas with his teammates and the Cowboys' organization," Woy said. "Now it is time to move on to a new team. Flo feels he has several good years in front of him."
There is no confirmation from the team, but Ken Hamlin's most recent tweet suggests that he may be moving on.
I would like to say to all of my fans that I appreciate all the love that you have showed me in Dallas. It was a good run..... Thanks
Hat tip to DatNguyenNguyenScenario for the FanShot.
Todd Archer also picked up on Hamlin's Twitter account message and has this to say:
A source indicated that a move would happen but nothing official has come from the team. After missing the first day of the off-season conditioning program on Monday, Hamlin had been working out at Valley Ranch every day since.
Hamlin was scheduled to make $5.596 million this year with $1.09 million guaranteed remaining on the contract he signed in 2008.
Certainly, something is up. Either the Cowboys have faith in Alan Ball, or they are seriously contemplating drafting or bringing in a new safety via free agency/trade.
Yesterday was April Fool's Day, Mr. Hamlin. What's going on?
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I think he got a bad rap
While he’s never been an INT machine, he’s played centerfield more adeptly than any predecessor since Woodson.
But maybe they think Mike Hamlin could step up?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Mike Hamlin and Allan Ball
still I thought this sort of thing would wait for training camp.
If they release him now it’s because Jerry is trying to give him a chance to land where he wants
by AustonianAggie on Apr 2, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Doesnt really efffect the draft plans..
A little surprising, but I guess they feel Free is the guy for LT. Looks like Ball will be starting opposite Sensabaugh. They are probably working on a new contract with Sensabaugh now they can dump Hamlins contract.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I'm not ready for this move yet.
As much as fans like to be negative about Hamlin, I don’t see Ball or a rookie coming in and doing any better.
If this is true, hope they have some kind of better plan in mind.
Anomoly............Finally here.........
Atogwe or any rookie taken early in the draft will be better than Hamlin.
He is a bum. If anything they better have a better plan in mind than handing the job to Free at LT. I’ve heard some rumblings that they could draft a rookie to challenge Free or go after Jared Gaither. I support this.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Honestly I would not be upset
Hamlin is solid but I like too see a ballhawk back there with good range..Maybe alan ball or mike hamlin is that guy in ther eyes
It was bound to happen
less for his lack of performance and more for his $ implications. He was above average, but being paid as exceptional.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
wow
“If they release him now it’s because Jerry is trying to give him a chance to land where he wants”
This is 100% JJ being loyal to his employees, if true
by AustonianAggie on Apr 2, 2010 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Flo gone?
I dont know why, but I’m a little shocked by this, yet very very interested in how they’ll replace him.
Some people on BTB would bet that Dallas was going to target
O-linemen and Safey in this draft. Double down on that bet now, odds just got a lot better.
Cant go into the draft expecting to fill starters....they have something else in mind or reallly like Free and Ball that much
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
possibly even Mike Hamlin.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 2, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm sure Jerruh
like his left tacklish Free, Hamlin getting dropped does scare me a little bit just cuz we don’t know who would step in right now
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 2, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Let me get this straight...
We release a quality LT and a below average FS… But Roy Williams is still on the team?
This made a lot of sense
Jerry saw an opportunity to shed obscene amounts of salary without losing much talent and went for it.
http://oursaviorchuck.ytmnd.com/
This is really not a surprise with flo and hamlin its all about money...
Makes sense to me
If we wanted to dump money
we could dump Bigg Davis – our least consistent offensive lineman.
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 2, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
They restructured his contract last year to accomodate Ware's.
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by Aaron Novinger on Apr 2, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Bigg is OK
Flo was a liability and he was on a downhill slide
I called this months ago.
The biggest issue is how they’re going to address both positions.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I hope Jerry remembers
what happened when Flo went down vs. the Vikings.
Watch that tape again
Free didnt do that bad. It seemed to me that Columbo was the turnstile in that game.
I agree
I’m just saying we were 1 player away from having the line break down. Flo was one of the positives on our O-Line.
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 2, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree
But my money was on Flo hitting that wall this year. I would rather begin the year off with Free as the starter and getting the reps from day one. I like that scenario better then having to insert Free midseason when he’s been warming the bench most of the time.
That was my thought as well
Once athletes start to go, it’s neither slow nor pretty.
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Flo Was Worse Than You Say
HIs sacks, penalties and pressures were very high. His last few years have been below his average. Especially in pass protection.
yeah
that first play was Witten one on one with Jarred Allan. Witten will loose that play each and every time. That was not Free’s fault
exactly
but people think it was, cause the first play he’s in, a guy on his side got a sack. if you watched the rest of the game, he played well for a guy who got thrown in the middle of a playoff game.
Against one of the top ends in football.
Free will be fine. That was just not a good spot to get thrown in at left tackle for the first time.
Colombo was obviously not ready to come back from his shin injury in that game
He looked like he was stuck in cement.
Not sure if he’s gonna fix that this year, though. He is aging. I thought he was our bigger OT problem.
Maybe Gaither from the Ravens is now in play?
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
That was my thought as well
Hopefully they have some kind of contingency to replace Flo.
As much as I like Free, he was the only semblance of quality depth we had on the OL.
On the Lunch Break the other day, they were saying that the Cowboys sound comfortable with Bigg Davis being the backup at LT.
So, it could be Free as the starter, and then Davis as a backup with a potential developmental draft pick like Newhouse or someone drafted even later.
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by Aaron Novinger on Apr 2, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
It just shows that they are ready to move with Free as the starter there.
Don’t be scurred, folks…he can do it!!!
Having said that, all this Gaither talk won’t come to fruition if they plan on giving Free his shizot.
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by Aaron Novinger on Apr 2, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont think they ever had an interest in Gaither...
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I don't think they did, based on this move if nothing else but
a lot of fan talk about him..
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Really, my concern is more with RT than with LT
I have confidence in Free too. I’m just worried that Colombo has the same problems that we just cut FLozell for— aging, highly paid, injury prone.
OL depth overall is obviously a concern, and I’m sure it’ll be addressed. But I have changed my mind in the past half hour after reading the boards, and I don’t think Gaither is a must-add.
(OJ Atogwe would be nice though. Alan Ball is not the answer to our turnover needs!)
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
I think they will for sure for sure draft a swing G/RT in the second or third.
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by Aaron Novinger on Apr 2, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Hellyeah!
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by Aaron Novinger on Apr 2, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
He'll need to settle on a first name before that happens.
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by dunkman on Apr 2, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hmmmmm
Okay, that’s something I had not considered at all. Mainly because of Bigg’s awful career playing LT in Arizona. And the fact that he hasn’t played or practiced at the position in 4 years. But I guess as a backup…maybe?
I don’t know. I understand you can’t have riches at every position. I would just like to have a bit more quality OL depth at every position, and after today’s cuts, OT is at the top of my list. I’m sure we’ll use some draft picks to address it, I’d just like them to be 1st – 3rd rounders, not 7th round Pat McQuistan style picks.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
They also quoted Colombo as having said that Bigg can and would be ready to man the LT spot if sh!t went down.
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by Aaron Novinger on Apr 2, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
and Columbo
thinks Bigg could play just as well as either him or Flo could play it
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 2, 2010 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions
That has to be out of sheer desperation
I really hope he is not asked to play LT
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by accidental innuendo on Apr 2, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe but
it’s possible that they see Free as ready to step in now, and the guy they draft as having time to develop before Colombo craps out.
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Right...
…but then we literally have no backup at LT, and Brewster is our backup at RT? Worrisome.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Ok so tell me which team has 2 starting quality LT
I mean, we do have Pat who’s been the swing tackle b4 Free, now Free gets to start, you’ll have Pat and Robert as your backup tackles and Proctor as your backup interior lineman. I know that is not exactly what we want, but you really can’t have quality depth anymore. unless you are drafting really good.
Yes, I hear you on that
And if we had two top tier starters, like we did the last few years, I’d be fine saying “Well, you can’t have depth everywhere” and knowing our backup situation was lacking a bit.
But I think now we have two starters at OT with some question marks (Colombo— coming off a bad injury and a horribel playoff game, and aging quickly; Free— never played a season as a starter before). So when that is the case, I think your backup situation becomes more important.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
1 name
Vlad Ducasse, he is the guy I want to draft
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 2, 2010 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
i dont think you remember that game correctly
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I understand the moves I guess...
Just do not understand the timing. We all figured they would attempt to upgrade here but there are no safety nets for these 2 spots now.
Anomoly............Finally here.........
I appreciate Jerry for his loyalty...
it’s one of the things that make him stand out from other owners who have historically sought the limelight. But, I don’t like being pigeon-holed into drafting specific positions in the draft. I thought this should have waited until after the draft.
Flozell's bonus was due in June...
I don’t get the advantage of letting him go today. At least see how the draft goes first.
One word
Loyalty.
That doesnt just go a long way in the locker room but also when trying to woo free agents & undrafted free agents.
I guess it kind of goes both ways, if you think about it.
Teams that sign either of them now, before the draft, are less likely to go all out to pick a premium player at that position in the draft.
Excellent point
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
My hats off to Jerry
If this is truly a move of Loyalty to his former employees. Ive worked for a few major Corporations and Christian Universities and have never felt they cared more for their employees than their bottom lines. Hard to say but I feel it was true.
Wow. Great move by the Cowboys.
I might actually be excited for the upcoming season now. Jerry getting some balls. Best news in a while.
You might actually be excited....
…for this upcoming season? Did you watch last season unfold at all?
But we need an OT in the draft now too
So don’t give up too much to move up. Or get Gaither from Baltimore.
I don’t see us moving up nearly enough to get Thomas or Berry. I imagine we’ll wait for better value.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
so who is out there to sign?
It will be hard to just plug rookies into those positions if we end up spending our picks on a S and OT
Feliz says his greatest thrill was striking out Boston Red Sox DH David Ortiz, one of his heroes. Yet, when he called to tell his parents, his mother had a request: Strike out New York Yankees third baseman Alex Rodriguez, too.
"So when I did that," Feliz says, "I told my mom, 'There you go. There's your present. Don't ask me to strike anyone else out, OK?'
Doug Free is the leading candidate for LT
Right now I think the FS is between Ball, Sensi, and Mike Hamlin. But I think we can expect this position to be addressed in the draft, especially when you look at the list of players Dallas has scheduled for visits.
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
I think Hamlin is backing up Sensi at SS, and Watkins is behind Ball at FS
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Slowly but surely...
I begin to understand and see the light….
Props to Mr. Jones for being loyal. I have nothing against Hamlon or Flo and wish them the best….in the AFC.
Anomoly............Finally here.........
The fact that Flo and Hamlin were going to be released
had leaked out yesterday maybe the reason Jerry went ahead and pulled the trigger today.
Holy crap.
I like it, though. This is actually similar to what the Eagles do, letting high priced veterans go right before they really, really decline. I think it’s smart.
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 2, 2010 12:01 PM CDT reply actions
Hate to see them go but glad to see them leave
In a way Flo was a fixture in dallas for so long it will be sad to see him go. But now we can get younger. Looks as if Jerry does have something up his sleeve.
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yeah I like flo
i’m not as eager to see him out
by AustonianAggie on Apr 2, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
They are also reporting Flo cleared his locker out yesterday
Apparently he jumped early…
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OT Needs
Um, Jared Gaither anyone??? In case you haven’t already…feel free to vote in the poll under fan posts.
I like the move
I just think it’s bad timing…he should have waited until after the draft. Superbowl or bust!
Yeah, but no need to tip your hand.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Probably true, but still.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Can't believe it..
Just yesterday I was thinking how nice it was that the Cowboys get to address their depth concerns with 2 draft classes since they didn’t need the rookies that much last year. Now we’re back at square 1.
Even if you assume that Free can be an average LT right now and that Ball can be an average FS (which isn’t assured), there’s basically no depth now. You’re one OT injury away from Brewster starting, one secondary injury away from…MHamlin starting?
Unless they make some trades or signings, the pressure just got ratched up on this coming draft…where they will pick pretty low. They were at sea level, now they’re at coal-into-diamonds.
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
by GhettoBear04 on Apr 2, 2010 12:08 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
I would think they will be bringing in a free agent at one of those spots to compete with whomever they draft.
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by Aaron Novinger on Apr 2, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow
I’m not too surprised about Flo as much as I am about Hamlin, as I question the depth that this leaves on the team. While Ken wasn’t worth what we were giving him or what he was due this year, and while the secondary did just as good without him when he was injured this year, this still leaves a fairly big hole in the secondary. I mean, Sensa is good for the one spot, but I can’t imagine going into next year with one of Michael Hamlin or Alan Ball as the starter.
As for Flo, it was a matter of time. He got hurt last year and really was hit or miss all year. That, mixed with the fact that the dude has clearly lost a step, his penalties, and his injuries adding up, on top of the money he was owed this year, the time was right for this move. But still, wow.
I'll live and die with number 9....
I'm sad to see Flo go..
If only because he’s a longtime Cowboy. Losing a LT that can play always hurts but this shows the confidence they have in Free. You don’t release a starting caliber LT unless you have an in-house solution that you trust. I mean, there’s no guarantee the draft yields that player so they already have a plan.
As for Hamlin, I liked him too, but he’s the type of player that is replaceable. I know Dallas had trouble finding a player to fill that role before Ken, but every year there are safety prospects that bubble up and have strong seasons and Hamlin was just a shade above good. Hopefully Ball comes through or we get that impact player in the draft. Safety is one of the positions (even if he has to make the secondary calls) that can come in and play right away. And if we get a very good prospect at the position in the draft I would be that’s the case.
Here here
Great Cowboys career by Flozell. Stuck with this team and played very well through some very tough years.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
as of now
I wouldn’t mind getting Nate Allen with #27, and give our 2nd rounder to Baltimore for Gaither. But this is still fresh, so I don’t know if that’s a great idea.
Seems like we've got two holes now
One is at OT. We need a backup there who is not Brewster.
One is at FS. We have NO depth there right now— Alan Ball is our current starter, and no one’s behind him (I’m not counting Courtney Brown).
So I’d imagine Jerry will address one of these two holes in trade/FA (OJ Atogwe or Jared Gaither) and the other via our first or second pick. Just my initial take.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
The issue is that you then can't use those high picks for interior help
Like Iupati or Pouncey.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
I don't they see it as a hole
Free takes LT, Colombo is the starting RT. The holes are back-up/developmental player at T, G and C..
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I'd consider no backup at OT a hole, though
You’ve got an aging RT coming off an injury and a horrible playoff game, and you’ve got an untested young guy at LT. Having no real backup for either of them is a big hole, to me. Moreso behind Colombo than Free, who I think they have confidence in.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
It is a hole
and they’ll have to fill the BU positions across the line. No one is happy with Procter as BU C or G either.
But Colombo hasn’t deteriorated as much as Flo, so I’m guessing they think they have a year or two to play with.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
My understanding was that KC Joyner's metrics had Flozell as a stronger run blocker than Colombo
I know he was aging more quickly, but I just considered him a superior player to Colombo, I guess.
I think that building OL depth, at ALL positions, is a great goal in the early rounds of the draft. I’m fine with doing that and not pursuing Gaither. But I then think that we need a FA/trade solution for safety (like Atogwe).
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
I buy that
I’m the guy who has railed about this line for the past four years. But of course even if Flo were somewhat better than Colombo, they also have to look at his salary figure and what continued decline will mean. Since Jerry is all about making sure Romo can excel (as he should be) this had to have been pretty carefully considered.
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I'm actually fine with Free starting at left tackle.
But does this again raise the hopes of getting Gaither? I still think that adding him to the team and getting them both locked up for the conceivable future may be the best way to insure a good offensive line for years to come.
Right
Because I don’t see Colombo as being in a much better situation than Flozell at this point. Highly paid, aging, got exposed a few times last year. Seems like you need a backup plan there too, and I don’t think Robert Brewster is gonna suffice in the short term.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Thanks for everything, Flo .... Dont let the door hit ya, Ken
Flozell had a great Cowboy career. We all hated all the penalties, but he provided excellent protection for our QBs. I put him 46th in my list of All-Time Cowboys. I would have kept him one more year to ease the transition to Free and give a rookie tiime to mature.
Glad we cut Hamlin at his pricetag, but wish we had a back-up plan. Now we have big holes in uor team going into this draft. I liked the idea of being able to draft BPA. Now I think we have to go FS and OL in some order of the first two rounds.
by TCBinNYC on Apr 2, 2010 12:24 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
You have a list of 46 best all-time Cowboys that you keep continually updated?
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Don't you??
I have Procter at 885, but I have to re-work it after these roster changes…
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The fact that Proctor falls in the three-digit range
Tells me your list is way off base.
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by accidental innuendo on Apr 2, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
No no, I do, of course.
It’s on a huge chart pasted across my living room wall. Ken-Yon Rambo is #1,246.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Wow, remarkable coincidence
That’s exactly where I have Proctor
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by accidental innuendo on Apr 2, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I have Proctor much lower
He’s even behind guys who never logged a regular season snap, like Woody Dantzler.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Hahaha
Well played
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by accidental innuendo on Apr 2, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
HA! Yes, I do have a list of All-Time Cowboys
It was done last season (several people on this board participated) in conjuncture with the DMNs list of 50 greatest Cowboys.
Even with this, you're not locked into taking those positions.
You already have starters in place. Ball and Free played well enough that you can work with them there for now. You do not have to spend first round picks on back ups. Yes, you can draft those positions, but only if you legitimately think they are good value at the position.
Exactly
This won’t change their strategy in the draft. Because it frees up money, it might impact FA signings, though.
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I think it does
Your point is good, but one of our top two picks is going to be a reach for either OT or S.
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by accidental innuendo on Apr 2, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Assuming they were already worried about Flo and Ham I
they probably had the same priority set for both positions.
There happens to be more OL and S depth in this draft than in many years, so that may well have factored into the decision.
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I maintain one of the two positions has become more important
At least yesterday, you had capable vets manning both spots. Now, there should be reasonable concern.
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by accidental innuendo on Apr 2, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
It's a fair point
the way I look at this is that they had no intention of starting Flo next year, and he was too expensive to keep as the BU. So either way, they had b/u T high on their list. And really, i think everyone knew that even before Flo was dropped, so I don’t think it’ll change other teams’ behavior too much.
Safety is a little different. Either they like Ball or Ham II or they are going all out for a SS in the draft.
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Why a SS?
You think they’d move Sensei to FS?
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by Aaron Novinger on Apr 2, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
That's my thought
Unless you bring in a veteran with more experience. A rook won’t be able to QB the defense…
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All the guys seem to know the D much better based on last year.
Perhaps this is a good time to learn a youngun
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by Aaron Novinger on Apr 2, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Guess who screams SS and will most likely be there at 27
Taylor Mays
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by accidental innuendo on Apr 2, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Yuck. Can't Burnett play SS too?
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by Aaron Novinger on Apr 2, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Look at it this way...
If he’s like RW1, he’ll at least be awesome for a couple of years.
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by Aaron Novinger on Apr 2, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I said that in another thread and got hammered for it
I think there is a lot of RW I amnesia…
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Oh, he was my fav player for a while there.

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by Aaron Novinger on Apr 2, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Horse Collar
15 yard penalty.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Destroying a rival's morale...priceless.
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by Aaron Novinger on Apr 2, 2010 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions
No doubt
The Original Roy was a bad ass for awhile.
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
Making that a penalty is what caused his downfall.
It took away a lot of the fear that opponents had of him, and made him completely change his style which resulted in different (bad) pursuit angles and missed tackles. He was used to getting into that arm’s length spot when making his angles, and when that wasn’t legal anymore, he had trouble figuring out the new angle and wrapping up.
But he was my favorite player for a few years, too.
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 2, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
I think the impact of the horse-collar penalty on his career is often overlooked. I agree with you that there’s a significant correlation there.
by speedmetal on Apr 3, 2010 12:44 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Never
will i ever get tired of watchin RW’s highlights on youtube
Bring on some Taylor Mays!!
by howboutdemcowboyz on Apr 3, 2010 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Great youtube clip
You did not need to see the jersey to recognize Roy’s hits
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
Just watched that earlier.
I wish I could find the one that has that P.O.D. song all the way through it though, that one is awesome. Everytime he says “Boom!” RW lights somebody up. They took that version down because of copyright violation or something though, stupid. Same video as this one, but the song at the beginning plays all the way through.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
God I miss having that Roy Williams back there.
I always thought he changed right around the time it was announced he was engaged to that Destiny’s Child star. After that it just seemed he wasn’t in great shape and just couldn’t make the same plays that he used to. If Taylor Mays could be that player I would draft him in a heartbeat.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Apr 4, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
He will be, but better I think.
He is way faster and way more athletic than Roy. With a little coaching I think his questions about reading the ball can be answered. It’s not like he’s terrible, he gets interceptions, he just needs to learn to read the ball and the offense a little better. Worse things could happen than drafting Taylor Mays, I think.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
True true
But he will need a lot of coaching up.
It’ll be interesting to see how well we do with Jason Williams, another athletic freak that needs to pick up the finer nuances of his position.
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by accidental innuendo on Apr 4, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Our young defensive guys are in good hands.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
RW1 made amazing plays in college, almost ridiculous
I didn’t see quite that from Mays’ highlights
I just brought this up because it seems to fit too well that Mays has a first-round grade despite lots of on-the-field concerns, we release Hamlin and now we are looking for safety help.
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by accidental innuendo on Apr 2, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
lets qualify "lots of on field questions"
the only questions are a lack of turn overs and a preponderance for seeking big hits
by AustonianAggie on Apr 2, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I was being polite
The question is whether he can play in the NFL. I have no strong leanings one way or the other.
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by accidental innuendo on Apr 2, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
That is
EXACTLY what I was saying to someone the other day. Roy was a monster in college.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 2, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
can someone help me?
Why didn’t we trade flo? I would think we could have at least gotten a 5th or 4th round pick for him, no? Are there veteran rules, or financial implications of that?
A couple of thoughts
Sad to see both these guys leave…especially without compensation, but that was practically impossible.
Letting them both go now is better for their careers, but it really puts Dallas in a tough spot. This practically telegraphs Cowboys’ draft, and every team that was looking to make a move on an OT or a S now knows at least what pick to jump over. Additionally, BPA (albeit within a small set) becomes a very difficult strategy to follow.
Like others have said, this also creates issues with squad depth — without any trades, Free steps into the starting job, and now there are rookie(s) for backup. Safety does not fare better either. And if Alan Ball is thrust into the starter’s roles, where is our depth at corner?
Well, at least the off-season just got more interesting.
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by accidental innuendo on Apr 2, 2010 12:32 PM CDT reply actions
I have to assume at this point that a FA or trade move is going to happen pre-draft
So give it a week or so.
However, if not, you’re right, although in this information age I don’t know how much new info can be telegraphed.
I mean, all of us amateurs here have known for months the Cowboys would be looking at safeties and OLine in the draft. There have been 10,000 posts on the subject.
Is that really news to other teams?
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by Realist Larry on Apr 2, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
But where was always the biggest question? Now, we, and other teams, have a much better idea. This news improves their draft boards.
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by accidental innuendo on Apr 2, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
We will def
be looking at FS in the draft now. I’m not sold on Ball and I believe Mike Hamlin is more of a SS than that of a FS. We def need Oline depth now as well
I don't see what the big deal is.
Buehler can probably play both FS and LT in a pinch if need be!
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And Roy Williams can play LT
with his “great blocking skills” .
I see serious money savings here!
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by Realist Larry on Apr 2, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
But not FS cuz we have enough dropped INTs
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by Aaron Novinger on Apr 2, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha!
beat you!
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by Realist Larry on Apr 2, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
He'll probably move on with another team to have an All-Pro season.
Folk, too.
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by Aaron Novinger on Apr 2, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
A few good years left, although if he's on a loser I'd question his motivation.
Plenty of teams would lke him-
and they might put him at Right Tackle if he’s getting older?
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by Realist Larry on Apr 2, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
To me, this means the boys will trade up in the draft
and take Earl Thomas….. They’ll likely start Free at LT this year, and maybe pick up another OT in the draft to be a backup.
Depends on what you have
I think Hamlin is above average in skills but produces no TOs. What he does well is get everyone in the secondary on the same sheet.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
well right now we are pretty thin
Mike Brown hasnt been resigned,Jon McGraw,Jarrad Page and Rashard Langford. So you think he is more of a stopgap ?
Yeah, but
a good stop gap, especailly if you draft a young guy he can bring along.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
I would.
He’s solid, just not a big playmaker.
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by Aaron Novinger on Apr 2, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Romo may have to scramble for his life even more now....
Wonder what he thinks.
Probably just invited Free out for dinner and bought him a ’Vette or something.
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Free may be better suited for this high octane passing attack, IMO.
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by Aaron Novinger on Apr 2, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
FLo was very good at the point of contact
but Free will be better able to pull and block 2nd and 3rd level players
by AustonianAggie on Apr 2, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotta disagree there
Flozell was excellent at pulling and hitting guys on the run. His size was not indicative of his mobility. I know he couldn’t bend anymore with speed rushers coming on the edge, but he got to the second level pretty well the last few years. His run game prowess is underrated.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
But does Free have the ballast and drive to help in the run game?
That’s something we’ll be looking for in the draft— some OL muscle to drive a more forceful run game, particularly in short yardage.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
totally agree
Free is solid in the pass game but is not as good as either Flo nor Columbo in the run game. If memory serves me correctly (and it may not) but wasn’t it Free at the RT spot when we kept getting stuffed on short yardage and goalines?
Shortyard is usually up the middle or slightly to the right..
I’d put our poor short yardage on C and RG more than anything.
We usually do run right on shortyardage
behind Bigg. But don’t discount the RT in those situations, if he gets beat it makes it harder for the G/C to do their jobs. In short yardage situations DE will usually crash inside to try and disrupt in the backfield. If the T can’t hold his ground it causes the G to be responsible for moving out the DT and also making sure the DE can’t crash inside to make a play in the backfield.
Now I don’t know if this is the case with Free… but it would be interesting to go back and look at those type of plays more closely to see how Free held up now that it looks like he will be a big part of the Cowboys plan next year.
I think so.
I’ve read on here by many that he was abused in the Vikes game and that is simply not the case. He is a left tackle, not a right tackle. Plus, it can be advantageous to have someone so mobile when they pitch or counter left.
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by Aaron Novinger on Apr 2, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Flo Wasn't Very Good Pass Protecting of Late
all this feel good for Flo seems to ignore the reality that he was giving up lots of pressures and sacks added to the boatload of mistakes.
This may just signify that you will get your wish, mister!
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by Aaron Novinger on Apr 2, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
It's possible.
The Cowboys are very high on him apparently, and he was pretty good in college. Didn’t he play SS though?
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I'd rather keep him at SS and have Hamlin compete with ball at FS.
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by Aaron Novinger on Apr 2, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
This.
I wouldn’t be opposed either way though, Sensi has played FS too. I would still rather bring somebody in through the draft or go after Atogwe though.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
None of really have a clue as to what
the coaches or Jerry plans are. Jerry may pull a rabbit out of his ass and surprise everyone.
He's got something up his sleeve, I'd bet.
New Cowboy by Monday?
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by Aaron Novinger on Apr 2, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
He better chew his food better
to make the jump to the next level, Odrick said today he needs to work on one area. "Just being more violent overall,'' Odrick said. "Play the game and play it right, violently.''
I was not a huge fan of either player
but these moves have got me on edge. The way I see it now we must enter training camp with at least one new safety, one new offensive tackle, and another interior lineman. Whether these moves are through FA or the draft doesn’t really matter but Dallas now clearly has room on their roster for a good amount of new faces. This to me puts the pressure squarely on our scouting department’s shoulders. I will admit though that I like the idea of Dallas finally not becoming a place where overpaid veterans can just simply sit there and continue to cash their checks despite declining play (RW notwithstanding).
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Hamlin just tweeted again...
Thanks for all of the support from all of my friends, family and fans!!!!!
You’re welcome, dude!
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Should I post it to Arrowhead Pride then?
Turf Show Times? Maybe he’s reading one of those.
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by Aaron Novinger on Apr 2, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
so will Flo
all those teams we see drafting a top OL pick may take a look at Flo
by AustonianAggie on Apr 2, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
yes -- but -- I'm looking at Orlando Pace in Chicago
and thinking Flozel is playing at a higher level at this point
by AustonianAggie on Apr 2, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
places I suspect
Chicago, Oakland, San Fran, Redskins, Buffalo, Seattle(?)
Back up work in New Orleans? Payton knows him
Chicago, cause Flo fits the Martz mold
by AustonianAggie on Apr 2, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah Ha!
Thereby removing them from teams that may draft a tackle, thereby dropping one further down the board to
Us!
Maybe jerry told Flo to only sign with a team that has a higher draft pick than the Boys.
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by Realist Larry on Apr 2, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
it must be Christmas
Ken Hamlin is finally gone! I NEVER wanted to sign this undisciplined bum from day one. And by day one I mean the day he left Seattle and became a free agent. He is by far the most undisciplined free safety I have ever seen. He was VERY lucky to have had great corner back play in front of him because Newman and Jenkins sure weren’t ever getting any help from him.
It honestly really doesn’t matter who starts in his place at this point. This move is the epitome of “addition by subtraction.”
Couldn’t cover and couldn’t tackle. After having a few passes fall into his lap in 2007, he has done nothing. Goodbye and THANK GOODNESS!
by BigD88 on Apr 2, 2010 2:44 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Well, color me shocked. Unless they've got something up their sleeve
in free agency or in trade, they won’t be drafting just for depth. I thought they’d keep Flo for another year, and I know Hamlin had his issues, but the defense was not as good while he was out. They clearly missed their defensive QB.
Good and bad
The bad: Romo may have to watch his blind side more than he used to.
The good: Cowboys should be middle-of-the-pack in penalties instead of leading the league every damn year.
Before you ask why I'm a fan of both the Cowboys and Jets, I'll just say the answer is complicated and that it just turned out that way.
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Really, those were the biggest question marks for the team.
So it’s good to know that they have a plan of some sort to answer them. I mean, really, where can this team truly improve over last season? Safety and OL are the only areas in my opinion. Now we know that those positions are being addressed one way or another, for better or worse.
by Baked Potato Soup on Apr 2, 2010 5:00 PM CDT reply actions
CB can use some improvement
Of course, it’s rare that any team is perfect in every area, but still, Terence Newman is still iffy.
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