The VRR: Draft Week Trade Imminent for the Cowboys?
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 20, 2010 2:13 PM CDT
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PrintIf the Cowboys are interested in trading up from 27 to grab a guy like Dez Bryant, they would need a little more ammunition. Now, they could trade one of their high 2011 picks to get a pick or two more to add to their current total of six. But that might not be as intriguing from a value perspective.
They could also trade some veterans for picks or combine picks and vets to leapfrog a team they think will take their guy. According to Jerry Jones, some teams have already called inquiring about acquiring a Cowboy or two.
[Jones] acknowledged that he's already fielded some phone calls from teams interested in players currently on the Cowboys' roster. He declined to mention which specific players teams had inquired about, but Martellus Bennett and Marcus Spears are pretty good guesses.
Michael Lombardi reports that the following players are on the Cowboys' trade block.
The Cowboys would part with defensive end Marcus Spears, linebacker Bobby Carpenter, wide receiver Sam Hurd, safety Pat Watkins and lineman Cory Procter for the right price. All of them are being shopped around the league.
More VRR after the jump.
Some of the trade reports surfaced from this CBSSports blog.
According to sources throughout the league, the St. Louis Rams (owners of the first pick), Seattle Seahawks (6, 14) Cleveland Browns (7), Denver Broncos (11), Miami Dolphins (12), New England Patriots (22), Philadelphia Eagles (24) and Dallas Cowboys (27) are all actively exploring trade opportunities.
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Dallas is also exploring aggressive trade-up options. Owner Jerry Jones loves Dez Bryant and will consider moving into the late teens should the Oklahoma State receiver fall to that point.
JJT profiles Dez Bryant--on and off the field.
This quote by Stephen Jones seems to suggest that a Nate Allen or Morgan Burnett may not be the choice at 27.
"If the right pick's not there," Jones said, "we're certainly not going to push a safety up the board."
Speaking of safeties, Gerald Sensabaugh is back working out in Valley Ranch.
Jerry Jones on keeping Sensabaugh and Miles Austin around:
"I know we want to sign them to long term contracts," Jones said before a speaking engagement for the SMU Athletic Forum. "Let's be real clear about that. Both of them are long-term players in my mind with the Cowboys other than that I wouldn’t give you a status report I wouldn’t."
And again from the blackened heart of Mordor, Mount Doom grumbles...
You've heard that the Eagles acquired LB Ernie Sims from the Lions in a three-team trade, right? He's a pretty good player and all, but the Eagles had better hope he's been working on his cover skills.
Hopefully the Eagles do not look at the film the last time Sims had at least some responsibility on Witten. It came in 2007 at Ford Field with Sims a starter for the Lions. All Witten did was catch 15 passes for 138 yards, at the time career highs, and bring down the game-winning touchdown pass with 18 seconds to play in the Cowboys' NFC East-clinching win against the Lions.
McNabb and T.O. together again as Redskins? I'd be down to see how that shakes out.
If you plan on being in Vegas May 4-6, go hang out with Cowboys great, Tony Dorsett, who will be there at the National Hardware Show.
In addition to meeting Tony Dorsett in person and receiving autographs, National Hardware Show attendees can also enter a sweepstakes to win a personally autographed #33 jersey by Tony on each of the show's three days.
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Are the Cowboys thinking the grass is always greener by getting rid of their own players? Or is this maneuvering to get cheaper players in the future with the anticipation of a new cap in the next CBA?
I didn't know what a mancrush was. Derek Holland showed me.
It's about churning
Keeping fresh blood coming in with the hopes of upgrading or at the very least having no to little drop off as well as reducing costs. Also it’s about possibly suckering somebody into giving up more than was necessary, cough Roy Williams cough.
Let the chips fall where they may
And out of the players on that list, Marcus Spears
might be the only player I’d even have second thoughts about trading.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
IDK I fear that we haven't seen enough
of Sam Hurd thanks to RW
Don't Panic!!!
by levcd on Apr 20, 2010 3:44 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Same here
Spears has been solid, but I guess they feel he has reached his potential and is now holding Bowen or Hatch back
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 20, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
They like Bowen alot and Spears is just plain average. He isn't in their long term plans so using him as trade bait makes sense.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Very nice and timely VRR
Just when I was trying to calm down and breathe deeply before the draft got started, you post this and now I’m all twitchy again.
Oh, and I followed the McNabb and T.O. thread, but immediately stopped reading when I came across this line:
ESPN’s Ed Werder, who just returned from Redskins Park, and Sal Paolantonio teamed up on this report.
by One.Cool.Customer on Apr 20, 2010 2:23 PM CDT reply actions
lol @ the last part.
Nothing to see there.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
so the Famous Philly homer
and Cowboys hater team up…. I’m surprised they didn’t make up the story that Romo was at the bar and not Rothelisberger
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 20, 2010 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions
It's A Tough Task Deciding
how much gas a player has left in his tank.’’
It’s apparent that they thought Adams was out of gas.Ball played as well as Hamlin for less money.
The free agents we signed last year panned out well.
I don’t know what the Boys have up thier sleeves but I figure a trade or a FA are in the future.
by TCB Orange Dino on Apr 20, 2010 2:25 PM CDT reply actions
If the draft went this way, I'd be extremely happy!
Rnd 1: Move up to get Dez
Rnd 2: Pick best safety left (Hopefully Burnett or Allen)
Rnd 3: John Jerry
Rnd 4: OL (best center available)
Rnd 6: Connor (FB)
Rnd 7: Fastest CB or ILB left
Looks good.
One problem though. You still have all of your picks. How did you move up to get Dez without giving up any picks? Just saying.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Dallas could trade Roy Williams
It would hurt like hell to do it, giving up a talent like that, but that is one possibility.
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
I'm telling you, Roy is a steal, especially if we just swap picks
Dude’s going to be a premier LT in this league, you watch.
Epic Fail since 1985
by the red scare on Apr 21, 2010 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions
haha
sean your a a fool
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 20, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
You trade a guy like Spears, who, if valued as a late 3rd rounder
could move you up seven spots.
And it will take a move up to 20 or so to get Dez, assuming he clears Denver.
Cincy and the Pats would take him at 21 or 22.
Who is at 20...
Houston?? Maybe they would take Spears, they have had Dline problems forever, without Mario they would be in serious trouble there
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 20, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
There are only 3 Centers in this draft
None will be left by the time we get on the clock at the 3rd, much less the 4th.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 20, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I was thinking that we had to trade a player to move up to get Dez
If there are only 3 centers, then we can use our 3rd on the center and the 4th on another OL. Maybe Newhouse.
we don't want to compromise.
I agree, its pouncy or walton. the rest are fudder. although tennet from boston college has an upside he is at least two years away.
by CowboysFanatic on Apr 20, 2010 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Reggie Stephens
played both Center/Guard and has the tools to become a player, but will be a project
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 20, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
good trade for the skins
the guy was made to be a 3-4 end, he was in the wrong scheme in St. Louis
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
He was overrated in college and it still hasnt changed...
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
they traded him for a bag of footballs and some week old doughnuts.
how the hell are we going to get anything for spears?
Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK
Carricker has been injury prone
He got beat down as an undersized DT. But exchanging fifths was worth the risk for a potential starter.
Few thoughts
1. Don’t trade up too much for Bryant, please. Wouldn’t mind rolling the dice, but not betting the farm. As the Cowboys have been somewhat linked to Bryant for a few weeks now, I’m hoping it’s a smokescreen.
2. Interesting that Carp is on the trade block. Must mean they like how J. Williams looked to a certain extent.
3. Happy to read about not reaching for safety in round 1.
+1
Randy Moss might of been the fastest guy in the NFL when he came in. Dez Bryant will not be that. Rick Gosselin at DMN has been tying a link between Dallas, Dez and Randy Moss, comparing the two situations. But the promise of Dez’s talent has a lot of hyperbole, and he won’t be the immediate league change Moss was. As soon as Moss was drafted, Minny became a contender.
by AustonianAggie on Apr 20, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont think the Dez talk is a smoke screen.
If the situation is right I think Jerry makes the move.
In an interview Willie was ask if he was thinking about retiring. He paused for a moment, smiled and replied " I play music and golf, which one do you think I need to give up"?
Agreed
It doesnt make any sense NOT to make a move for Bryant- unless of course that move requires “giving up the farm”. But with an offense that already features a lot of talent, it makes sense to add someone who could put us over the top for years to come.
The o line and safety need to be figured out as well, but Dez would tthrow this offense into hyper drive, and we could man handle opposing defenses.
And right now I dont want to hear “well if the o line doesnt protect it doesnt matter whos catching/running/throwing the ball” To that gentlemen i say shinannigans! We had an offensive line last year that blocked pretty well. There were times that they ccould have done better (especially in power blocking/short yardage situations), but for the most part they did their jobs respectively well.
Granted there is always room for upgrade, but you can pretty much say that for any position (unless your the colts and you have Peyton Manning).
So heres to hoping that Jerry’s man-crush is the real deal, and he makes a move for one of this drafts most talented athletes!
Cheers
by missingthe90s on Apr 20, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Oldest Line in Football
The Cowboys have THE oldest line in football.
Even if you thought last year’s line was sufficient, it’s only down from here from that group.
I would argue that the line was hot-and-cold last year, a clear indicator of age. To win a superbowl you need to win either for or 5 games in a row against the best teams in the league. Hot and cold. Only takes one cold to end your season (See: Metrodome Meltdown this year, 4th quarter of Giants playoff game 2007)
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 20, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
read below
I havent stated that the line is 90’s dynasty reincarnated. Im simply saying that if (and totally IF this scenario were to be pulled out of the hat) Free was injected in the lineup and plays as well as he did last season. Then we trade for Gaither, who has a ton of tread on his tires! add in the fact the brewster is a developing iline prospect and we have yet to see what he has..
Induldge me,if you will, because these are three VERY POSSIBLY SCENARIOS.
1-Free is what we hope he will be
2- Gaither can be had for a 3 and spears, or somthing of that value
3-Brewster turns out to be a player
thats three of your four future starters on the roster (again, if Gaither were to be brought in). And you suddenly have a lot of depth this season, and can turn the reigns over to any one of those guys if one of them starts showing their age.
by missingthe90s on Apr 20, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
another wr is not going to make a HUGE difference
We need ol help or else in two years from now none of those wrs will have time to get open.
2nd the oldest OL comment
And Romo took a career high number of sacks as well. Our pass blocking was atrocious.
If games are won and lost in the trenches, we need to fortify the OL.
Not to mention the bust factor of WR compared to OL in the 1st
If Dallas trades up, I hope it’s to nab Iupati or Pouncey (or even Thomas for that matter), not Bryant.
it wasn't atrocious
honestly, Romo just laid down for a couple of those instead of trying to make something happen like he would’ve in previous years. Outside of the Packers, Broncos and Vikings games, they didn’t play poorly.
As I've re-watched games
they were leaky. Romo made some cray escapes or the sacks would have set NFL records.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Romo's done that for years though
Every year I’ve felt like you could add 10+ sacks to our total with a less mobile qb.
I can’t say I’ve rewatched the games, but it seemed to me like outside that one stretch with Philly-GB, and the early season Broncos game, Romo generally had time.
The Saints had a defense that was hell at times for opposing qbs, and we handled them. We handled the Eagles the last game and the playoff game.
Actually, now that I think about it, that second Giants game was ridiculous too – Romo was running for his life and playing outstanding football while our line was being killed by guys who didn’t pressure any other qb this year.
And some credit has to be given for the effectiveness of our run game – even though they weren’t great straight ahead blockers, they were pretty solid at the end of the year, which played a huge role in us winning the division.
Romo Makes This Line Look Good
But can’t carry the team. I truely believe we won’t wiff a superbowl until we rejuvinate the line.
I’m not concerned about WR. Teams have won a superbowl with less talent than Miles Austin, Patrick Crayton, and Felix Jones at the skill positions.
Just get me a line that can give Romo time every time.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 20, 2010 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions
The line had trouble with certain types of teams for sure
Raf pointed out that the larger, more physical lines gave them trouble.
They struggled more than i thought. I was just watching the Dallas-Philly PO game last weekend. Even in what turned out to be a runaway win, Romo was scooting around to make throws in that game too, and they had more than a couple of drives ruined by line play.
I think Flo really is a shadow of his former self and Kosier and Gurode need to phased out over the next couple of seasons, if not sooner in the case of Kosier. Davis and Colombo are solid but they seem to have consistency issues – brilliant one play, yelling “Ole!” to the pass rusher the next. They don’t have to fix all of these, just one or two at a time and that’ll be enough to help Dallas over the next hump.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
agreed
there are several players that probably will fall to us and regardless of the scenarios I have seen some player we need is going to fall to us.
Pouncy
Kyle Wison
Dez Bryant
McCourthy
Iupati
Odrick
all good choices. if one is close and we really covet him, then move up a couple of spots and give up a 6th or something…..but don’t sell the farm to get a player.
by CowboysFanatic on Apr 20, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
You're not alone.
There are 3 first round safeties. Berry, Thomas, and Mays. That’s it. There will still be plenty of good safeties left in the second round though.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Mays is a first round talent, the others are not
Mays will likely be drafted 10 probably 20 picks before Burnette or Allen.
yea
says you! Mays is definately first round talent. Dont kid yourself.
by howboutdemcowboyz on Apr 20, 2010 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Mays will have an outstanding career
I hope he ends up in Dallas. Unfortunately I expect him to go much higher.
by AustonianAggie on Apr 20, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
-10000 to Mays....Do you guys have amnesia..
Hello…..MAYS= Roy “THONG” Williams part ll….
Why in the world would we want any part of that again….
He is not going to be drafed by us…take that to the bank fellows.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I agree
Regardless of what draft gurus are rating certain safeties, I think Burnett will be a solid NFL safety, and will adapt pretty quickly. I wouldn’t be surprised if he had the best career of the current safety class, aside from Eric Berry.
by NerdVernacular on Apr 20, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Cory Proctor?
Would someone seriously give up a draft pick for Proctor? Maybe he would be a package of players I guess. I cant imagine Proctor by himself has any trade vaue.
That's what I was thinking.
I’m not believing anything I hear right now. So much misdirection going on it’s not even funny. I want it to be Thursday already, I can’t do this much longer.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
we hate him
but I remember reading a few years ago, that although he doesn’t have a lot of power in run blocking he is decent pass blocker, can play multiple positions, doesn’t make many mental mistakes, doesn’t have a lot of penalties (adams, groude). he is not starting material obviously but can back up all interior spots. that has a lot of value. I also remember coaches saying he graded out as our best OL man in some games (which we lost).
I make fun of him too. but obviously he has enough value to be tendered a 2nd round pick. I rather trust the coaches on this one.
by CowboysFanatic on Apr 20, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I checked the value charts
Dallas would owe a draft pick to anyone who took Procter.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Maybe we can trade Free Reign for a 7th rounder.
When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.
haha
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Apr 20, 2010 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
"Maybe he would be a package of players I guess"
should be “Maybe he would be included in a package of players I guess”
Do any of the names mentioned above
as being on the trade block (even if paired with #27 pick) get us in the mid to late teens?
Also, what exactly is the “right price” for Proctor? A bag of Cheetos? Sorry if I’ve offended any Cheetos lovers out there.
Love me some Cheetos
Proctor is worth a half bag of week old Cheetos but you would have to throw in some handy wipes as well.
i think you are overvaluing the procter
Because I could put one cheeto out on the feild and see better blocking
Don't Panic!!!
by levcd on Apr 20, 2010 4:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
It's that "dry" heat
LOL…and you can have it. Year and a half was enough for me.
Rabid and luvin' it
I put the money I save on long lasting food towards my electricity bill
Let the chips fall where they may
I'm beginning to develop a man-crush on Stephen Jones.
If the right pick’s not there," Jones said, "we’re certainly not going to push a safety up the board.
Seems to have a solid head on his shoulders.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
S. Jones makes me feel good about teaching my 3-year-old to love the star. We’ve already had the talk about why we hate the Eagles. It went something like this:
“Daddy, why do we hate the black team?” “son, that is very dark green that some silly men made up the name midnight green. we hate them because they suck and they boo’d Santa.” “Daddy, I don’t like the very dark green men”.
Keep the Cowboys strong, Stephen!!!
Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK
I have recently had the same discussion with my son
Every time he sees an Eagle, he tells me “Papa, das sind unsere Feinde, oder?” – Dad, those are our enemies, right? I high five him every time. Mind you, he doesn’t speak English and knows football only from Madden and youtube.
And what does he want for his birthday? A Barber jersey.
Incredible.
by One.Cool.Customer on Apr 20, 2010 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions
ein klein nachtmusik
BTB League Consolation Ladder Champ...thought you knew.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 20, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Know how you feel....
My 6, 5, and 2 year old daughters love to run around teh house cheering for the Boys in blue. The other day my daughter (6 year old) saw an eagle and said she did not like it because her daddy didn’t like eagles!!!!
!!!Go Cowboys!!!
by Night_Train on Apr 20, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay, so Carriker is dealth to Washington
To me, this could mean absolutely nothing (St Louis still takes Bradford, draft proceeds as planned), but let’s toy around with some other potential ramifications:
1) Suh is now in play at #1 overall (unless you think Carriker was a total nonfactor in the Rams’ DL plans, which is possible due to his injury history)
2) If Suh is taken #1 overall, then Bradford is in play, and there could be a scramble to move up to get him (unless Washington takes him at #4, in which case things proceed largely as planned)
3) Haynesworth now gets moved by the Skins, since they ahve more DL depth (although Carriker projects as a 3-4 DE, not a NT)
4) The Redskins are down to 3 total draft picks. I have to think they want more than that, and that Campbell and maybe Haynesworth to acquire more picks.
Thoughts?
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
I immediately thought that too, about Suh.
Maybe the Rams are not sold on Bradford.
BTB League Consolation Ladder Champ...thought you knew.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 20, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
this is a deep draft at DT
they could concievably take Price at top of the 2nd and still be OK at DT. you don’t win championships because you have the best DT in the game. you win because of your QB. I don’t think they are that high on McCoy.
problem is Bradford is at least two years away and they don’t have a lot of help for him.
by CowboysFanatic on Apr 20, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
From what I read
Redskins don’t lose a draft pick, they move down 20some slots in the 5th
I don’t know about #1 – Carriker didn’t even play last year and played only 8 games the year before. I would GUESS that the Rams are still set on taking Bradford. If they’re not…well…some team in the top 5 is going to get a very good offer from a team looking for a qb
Within hours, we will know the 2010 Schedule!
Just heard on the radio that Goodell said that the 17th week will have every team play within their division.
NFL.com measures the toughness of Dallas’ schedule.
BTB League Consolation Ladder Champ...thought you knew.
#3 hardest in league!
BTB League Consolation Ladder Champ...thought you knew.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 20, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
1st place schedule is always a bitch.
Hope Dallas plays a 1st place schedule in 2011 and has the 32nd pick.
In an interview Willie was ask if he was thinking about retiring. He paused for a moment, smiled and replied " I play music and golf, which one do you think I need to give up"?
First place schedule isn't always a bitch
A team’s place only determines two opponents. Its the predetermined opponents by division that makes a schedule tough. This year the two best divisions will play each other, AFC South and NFC East. That’s why the teams in those two divisions have the toughest schedule.
I didn't know what a mancrush was. Derek Holland showed me.
by DerekSTheRed on Apr 20, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
list of schedules by difficulty.
I didn't know what a mancrush was. Derek Holland showed me.
by DerekSTheRed on Apr 20, 2010 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions
sorry bad link
I didn't know what a mancrush was. Derek Holland showed me.
by DerekSTheRed on Apr 20, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
overrated
Arizona is going back down, they may not even win that division. The other east teams (cept washington) have every bit as difficult a schedule as we do.
Agreed.
It is so hard to tell year in and year out who is going to be good that stressing over the strength of schedule is a little premature. Plus, lets not short sell ourselves since all those teams that we have to play don’t want to play us either. Does anybody think the Colts are really that scary? The Saints? Just being honest, I don’t feel like there is any team that Dallas is incapable of beating and as such, I would spend much more time worrying about whether Dallas can maximize its talent than who is on our schedule.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Apr 20, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Looks tougher to me
The Eagles get to play the best of NFC North (Vikings and Packers) plus Indy at home.
Dallas has all of those games on the road.
I don’t like the way it looks – from Thanksgiving with the Saints all the way through the finale at Philly looks really tough.
by doomsdayreturns on Apr 20, 2010 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Who knows how Philly will do
they’re a bad draft away from being 8-8 at best the next couple years. If kolb isn’t good, they’re irrelevant.
We play AZ while Philly plays a tough 9ers team. The Giants (I think) have a nasty game against the panthers, who are going to be much improved and could win that division.
I could care less about playing good teams at home or on the road. Good teams will come to play regardless. We beat NO in NO last year.
Teams like Jacksonville & Chicago are games I’d worry about on the road. Watch for the team that plays in jacksonville in september, or the team that plays in Chicago in December. Those games are infinitely harder, and they physically take their toll on you.
SCENARIO
1st Dez Bryant
This involves a trade up, and I am going with the likely of the Bengals, who might still be interested in Martellus Bennett, and swapping places (possibly might have to throw in a late mid-round pick to get this deal done)
2nd Nate Allen or Burnett
Need a safety and it is likely one of these guys will be there, and if this is how it plays out snatch um up!
3rd and spears to Baltimore for Gaither
Oline is definately somthing that needs to be shored up, although this season I’m not half as concerned about it as some of the readers on here. Again, SOMTHING needs to happen, but we cant chance the whole line in one offseason, by making a move for Gaither and letting Free take his rightful place on his throne, two of the five future spots are in place leaving us in pretty good shape to make the rest happen in good time.
they must feel that
hatcher, bowen and dixon can give them what Spears does. Spears is not a bad trade bait for us to get an impact player. I still want pouncy if there is a way to get him, although I will be happy with dez bryant, brain farts and all.
A player like McCoy (TE from USC) could drop because of marijuna charges so he may drop to mid rounds, then trading bennett if he fetches a second might be worthed. McCoy brings a similar game, but are we trading one head case for another? I like dikerson out of pitt, but he doesn’t offer much as a blocker, where bennett excells at that. I just worry about Phillips becoming witten’s backup since his upside is so limited, then again if bennett doesn’t get his head screwed on right all the talent ain’t going to help us.
did I say I like pouncy? well let me say it again.
I like pouncy.
Love Trades, Frightened of Bryant
I am really really concerned about the prospect of passing on O-linemen in Iupati and Pouncey that could replace our geriatrics and be mainstays of our mauling line for a decade to, instead, take a gamble on a 50/50 proposition at WR. BTB has shown the bust factor on WR are off the charts and the Cowboys haven’t given us much reason to trust their ability to scout WRs (cough Roy Williams cough)
But I would love to get some extra 2nds or 3rds in this deep draft by getting rid of our underperformers like Spears and Carpenter. Or maybe move our late 2nd to an early 2nd. Would our defense change massively if we had Bowen in there instead of Spears? Would our defense change massively if we had anyone else but Bobby in their as the nickel and dime LB? Another team in another scheme might be able to wring more value out of them and we could grab some nice young prospects.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 20, 2010 3:52 PM CDT reply actions
I am with you
I think we are ok at WR and can get one to groom in the middle rounds, but a talent like pouncy doesn’t come around much at center position, so we can solidify the position for the next 10 years. its very critical position to the OL.
bryant is not that once in a decade type player. he is this year’s best WR, but doesn’t compare to some of the other ones in the past few years (based on scouting and talent evaluation).
by CowboysFanatic on Apr 20, 2010 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd like to see "bust factors"
for teams that have top flight qbs. My suspicion is, those wrs tend to do very well.
I take this back
The Pats and Chargers have had their share of failures.
It seems like anyone drafted by the Colts or Saints does well though. Giants have had some success, though they’ve thrown a bunch of picks at that position.
seems like the redskins
are back to their old trick and win now mode. they must feel they are close. but look at all the trash they have accumulated over the summer. has anything changed in washington?
Dan Snyder, signing the All Pro Team from five years ago
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
No way
I would trade up to get Dez. Now, if you are talking about 2 or 3 spots and you are sold on him then thats one story but to trade up more than that, I say no way.
No Trade ups, unless a LT falls
There is no way i would trade up for bryant, and if he were to fall to us, i would trade out of that pick……he is trouble, and we dont need to invite any more…….and the catches that bryant would get would be taken away from who ?? Austin, Witten, or maybe we just give up on the run (with a fantastic three headed attack) it is time to draft for the oline, we have the skill positions we need….
+1
Bryant is a smoke screen Jerry and Steven; with an abundance of LTs, a quality one should fall within reach . . . now that I would move up for.
I think you are right about the smoke screen.
Beside the RW trade Jerry and Steven has been really good the last few years. Dez Bryant is dumb as a box of rocks. He is more likely to bust than boom. They have to let the best player available fall to them. At 27 you consider Bryant. But they really really need OL help.
Just read...
That Cowboys will host the Saints on Thanksgiving….
Shocked at that one.
Anomoly............Finally here.........
Oh wow...
…I’d rather have an entertaining game on Thanksgivin’ than another blow out like last year. If I remember right, the Detroit game was pretty good though.
FEAR the STAR.
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Absolutely.
Although the last time the Cowboys played a non-gimp on their day, Ron Dayne provided a soul-crushing conclusion.
NFL.com readers poll, haha.
How will the Cowboys do in 2010?
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Miss the playoffs
51%
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FEAR the STAR.
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I'd give a 3rd, or MartyB
to move up to #20 or #21 to snag Dez Bryant. I don’t think he’s worth trading more than that. I suspect someone else will take him or move up and get him well before that, so I wouldn’t be printing any Dez Bryant Cowboy jerseys yet.
I can't believe this reunion trash is leading SportsDumpster.
Since when are crystal meth and shrooms unconfirmed sources?
depending on the price I would not be against trading up for Dez Bryant
I think he is going to be a great WR.
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
+1
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Apr 20, 2010 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Sounds like Philly in Week 17 again...WTF!?!
MNF vs Giants in Week 7, Cards on Xmas, Season Opener vs Skins
BTB League Consolation Ladder Champ...thought you knew.
Yeah, but if things go like we expect the Eagles will be riding the basement and will have checked out by that time..
Playing the same team the last game of the season is weird.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Hopefully that game will be irrelevant...
in favor of us, of course. And I was pretty pissed to see that, not because I’m scared of their team….but 3 years in a row….seriously?
by Thehomerpimpson on Apr 20, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
First, I really like that Choice is NOT on that list of possible trades.
Any of the other guys, goodbye. I have nothing against Spears, but no great loss either.
But, Jerry, please don’t trade up for a $%&*@#$ , possible head-case, wide receiver!
Pretty Please?
If you’re going to trade up, do it for an OLineman, dude!
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
Cowboys make noise on draft day and all may & June.
Ok! I have been called crazy and stupid by my own fans, but I comment on only what I see my cowboys need for us to win and beat every team in the NFL. You see all these NFC East rivals are busy building their teams to beat us that they forget the rest of the NFC teams. WE have to build a team invincible and cost efficent to jerry jones. We have in our team a good blend of talent, but, as we all saw in Minnesota we are not good enough. I don’t want to be good and to hear Jerry Jones say he is happy with what he has is making me sick. We are the Dallas Cowboys , the very best team in the NFL. And go GOD we now have a chance to play the super bowl in our backyard. I say let’s start with this draft and pick the best players that we need to make our team unbeatable.
Y are ppl scared of Bryant
he has 0 character issues, loves the game more than anything in the world and was a world beater on the field last year when he played in 3 games he had 323 yards and 4 TDs, the year before that 1480 yards and 19 TD and if he could have come out last year he would’ve still been ranked the number 1 receiver over Crabtree. The kid is a beast, more in the Brandon Marshall mold than Randy Moss, has all the physical tools as well as the passion to be the best. The problem with getting him is our WR core will have to be reshuffled, maybe Crayton gets moved (progress stopper?). I have no doubts that the kid will do well in the league for a lot of years, and having him and Miles w/ some Tree in there will keep our passing game near the top for a long time
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 20, 2010 9:56 PM CDT reply actions
As This Blog has Doccumented
First round WRs have an over 50% bust rate, which means they don’t even become starters in this league. It’s an extremely risky proposition. I don’t think Dez is any more or less risky than any other generic first-round-grade reciever; it’s just way too much of a risk to give away a first and a second on a bet that will more than 50% end up busting.
Just go back in some recent past drafts and look at the WRs taken in the first. You’ll see a lot of “who’se that?” but at the time they were considered great 1st round picks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 20, 2010 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions
I may make a post on this
but looking back on the last 10 drafts, wrs aren’t THAT risky…IF you have a top 10 or so qb. The success rate seems to be ~60-70%. If you don’t have a qb in the upper half of the league, your wr pick fails miserably – each year first round boards are littered with wrs who struggle going to teams with poor qb play. The success rate of these is around 20%.
I don’t think its a coincidence we lose TO and all of a sudden Miles looks great. I think Romo has a lot to do with that. Give Romo a top 5 talent, and there is serious potential there.
one easy example is roddy white
with vick he looked like a bust. Ryan comes in and hes a near probowler.
If they get Bryant
what do they do with Williams? Three “#1” receivers, plus Wittena nd Bennett, plus 3 RBs, plus receivers like Crayton and Ogletree? It just can’t be done like that. Somebody would have to go. Ideally Williams. Otherwise I don’t see reaching for Bryant. Stephen seems to be in charge and I think he’ll go for OL early and often, assuming the situation presents itself.
Dallas cuts Williams and hopes that Bryant is half the blocker that Roy W. was
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
Bye Hurd
Hurd will be a casualty for roster space this year.
Next year it’s Roy.
If Ogletree comes on strong too then Crayton is given the “you’re too old and expensive” treatment and Austin, Dez, and Tree become our X, Y, and Z.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 20, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
no its roy
way too much money and by cutting him now, we can avoid cap ramifications in future years.
How happy would Roy be?
He walks with a fat payday (which he barely had to work for aside from a few blocks here and there) and then he gets a whole new contract with the new team that’s sure to pick him up off the curb. I mean, he’d have to be the luckiest receiver in the history of the NFL. I see what you did there Roy. Good game sir, good game.
Let the chips fall where they may
Roy wont be cut...c'mon. He has one more season no matter what scenerio plays out.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
if we get Dez
I don’t think so. I’d bet we cut Roy before Hurd. I think the team likes ogletree and has a lot of trust in crayton. Thats 4 wrs and two tes who we want to get touches. It makes a heck of a lot more sense to cut the guy who saves you more money.
If we don’t get bryant (a ridiculous talent) and get a later wr like Benn, then Roy should probably stay, but even then I think its a tough choice.
Crayton or Hurd are cut if Dez is drafted....
Next year RW is cut or traded if he doesn’t improve. Regardless, RW wont be going anywhere with any WR addition.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Crayton
Has been consistaint in an offense that has seen TO, Terry Glenn, and Roy Williams (soon) come and go. They’re not releasing him until they’re confident they have 3 better recievers.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 22, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
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