2010 NFL Draft: Dallas Cowboys Undrafted Free Agents
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 24, 2010 7:57 PM CDT
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PrintHere are some preliminary reports on players the Cowboys are signing as undrafted rookie free agents (UDFAs).
[EDITOR'S NOTE: We are updating as new names are reported.]
Matt Nichols, QB, Eastern Washington -6'2", 219
A solid 3-year starter who has played in some big games against some pretty decent defenses and done well.
Has a bit of gunslinger mentality. Can pinpoint the ball. Let's it fly. Leaves nothing on the field and is a competitor's competitor.OK size and arm strength. Intelligent and football smart. Will work. Has a little magic in his game.
Runs hot and cold. Has been a bit undisciplined at times. May need to be groomed for longer than you have patience for. Not imposing in any sense. Sometimes exhibits a tad too much swagger.
Story on Nichols' signing:
If Nichols can earn a third-string spot, he gets his contract. However, even if he fails, then there remains the chance that he could still wind up on the Cowboys’ practice squad and earn over $60,000 there.
Being on the practice squad means that he wouldn’t be eligible to partcipate in an NFL game. However, the Cowboys or any other team has the option of plucking him from the practice squad onto a 53-man NFL roster at any point in the season.
Dallas has had some success turning practice squad signal-callers into actual pro quarterbacks. Current Carolina Panthers starting quarter Matt Moore was a former Cowboys practice squad player.
Grandell said that Nichols is expected to be the only free-agent quarterback signing by the Cowboys.
Phil Costa, C, Maryland - 6'3, 300
U of Maryland PROFILE:
An intelligent, versatile player who was the leader of the offensive line as a senior ... a hard-nosed player with good feet ... a two-year starter ... played mostly guard until his senior season when he started at center ... one of the Terps' top reserve linemen in 2006 and 2007 ... emerged as the starting right guard as a junior ... played in 40 career games, including 30 starts (13 at RG/five at LG/12 at center) ... started the final 24 games of his career ... a two-time Academic All-ACC performer ... one of the strongest players on the team during his career ... owns the all-time record among Terps' offensive linemen in the clean (435 in 2008) and is second all-time in the vertical jump (35.5 inches in 2007) among offensive linemen ... also has the third-best strength index (748 in 2008) in school history (among offensive linemen).
Story that he signed with Dallas.
Barry Church, S, Toledo - 6'2", 219
NFL.COM PROFILE:
Church has been an outstanding safety for the Rockets over his four seasons. He has an excellent combination of size and strength for the position. Church is best coming downhill attacking the line of scrimmage. He is a tough, competitive player that is better closer to the line of scrimmage. He has good vision to leverage the ball and excels at filling the alley, as well as reacting to patterns in the passing game. He lacks great range, speed and lateral agility in coverage and this could limit his effectiveness at the next level. Church has the physical stature, toughness and instincts to be an impact player on coverage units (special teams) with a chance to work into a starting safety position.
Chris Gronkowski, FB/TE, Arizona - 6'1", 242
Positives: Undersized tight end/H-back with marginal upside for the next level. Displays good blocking vision, nicely redirects to defenders and works hard. Fluid moving about the field, and does an adequate job catching the ball.
Negatives: Marginal strength at the point of attack and struggles handling linebackers.
Analysis: Gronkowski has been a marginally productive player in college. He will have an uphill climb to make it at the next level and must quickly produce on special teams.
Lonyae Miller, RB, Fresno State - 5'11", 221
From NFL.COM PROFILE:
Miller is a good-sized running back with adequate running skills. He will show a good burst through the hole but will get ahead of his blockers at times, as well. He tends to run a bit erect and will take some shots that a more compact runner can deflect with shoulder pads. He is not very interested in blocking when asked to stay in and pick up the blitz and is not as punishing a runner as he could be. Needs work on finishing his runs. He has enough wiggle to go with good speed and a good burst through the hole to warrant consideration as a late draft pick.
Terrell Hudgins, WR, Elon - 6'1", 237
Strengths:
Power, size, ball skills, plays fast, a durable, consistent, sure-handed receiver who can make all the catches: the routine as well as circus-style football catches, including one at Chattanooga that made ESPN's SportsCenter where he pinned a pass thrown short to the back of a defender and secured it with one hand. He scored a touchdown on the play.
Weaknesses:
Speed, he is likely to run in the mid 4.6 range at the combine/pro day. But he might run slower and a move to H-back simply because he doesn't have the height of a Ramses Barden type to stay at WR in the NFL. He caould also refine his cutting and accelerating out of his breaks.
Phoenix14News story on Hudgins signing with the 'Boys.
[UPDATE]: From Todd Archer's tweet:
Chet Teofilo, G, Cal - 6'3", 329
SI's PROFILE:
Positives: Highly considered offense lineman who struggled as a senior in 2009. Bends his knees, blocks with leverage, and keeps his feet moving. Immediately gets his hands into opponents, stays square, and jolts defenders with good hand punch. Makes solid use of blocking angles, and anchors at the point of attack. Fights hard throughout the action.
Negatives: Stiff, lacks balance and struggles to finish. Nonexistent as a senior and barely saw the field.
Analysis: Teofilo displayed flashes of ability after moving to the offensive line prior to his sophomore season. He has the size and skill to play in confined quarters at guard if he gets his game back on track.
[UPDATE II]: From NFL.com:
Will Barker, RT, Virginia - 6'7", 320
SI PROFILE:
Positives: King-sized position blocker best in a small area. Blocks with good lean, a wide base, and stays square. Patient in pass protection, effectively gets his hands into defenders, and easily moves them from their angle of attack. Makes good use of angles, displays solid awareness, and keeps his feet moving. Controls defenders once engaged in a block and rarely gives up an inch.
Negatives: Exploited by speed rushers, struggles with his footwork and cannot slide off the edge. Rumbles about the field and ineffective in motion. Gets lazy with his hands and will do a bit of leaning on opponents.
Analysis: Barker has been a durable lineman at Virginia and possesses the size to play at the next level. He's a limited athlete with marginal upside yet could be an effective backup on the strong side if he improves his strength and learns to consistently block with proper fundamentals.
Hat tip to Key19 for the FanPost.
[UPDATE III]: Rashaun Greer, WR, Colorado St. - 6'0", 200
SI PROFILE:
Positives: Productive possession receiver with marginal upside for the next level. Extends his hands, offers the quarterback a big target, and uses his frame to box out defenders. Gets up and fights for the reception, possesses good eye/hand coordination, and wins out in battles. Adjusts to the errant throw then looks the ball into his hands.
Negatives: Does not display naturally soft hands and unnecessarily lets the pass get inside him, doing too much body catching. Slows into routes, gets choppy footed and struggles to separate from defenders. One speed receiver who does not beat opponents vertically.
Analysis: Greer looked as though he had the makings of a potential fifth receiver on the NFL level after his junior season, yet his play slid back last season. He must play extremely well in camp this summer from the get go to have any chance of making a final roster.
A BTB hat tip to kindablue for the post.
[UPDATE IV]: Bryan McCann CB/KR, SMU - 5'10", 180
McCann was a player the Cowboys brought in for "Dallas Day". They also walked away quite impressed from his Pro Day workout.
On his first attempt at the 40 — Ford Stadium’s field is not thought of as a particularly fast track — McCann clocked a sizzling 4.32 … a time made more impressive by the fact that he ran it in to the wind. When the runners reversed directions, he ran even faster, clocking a 4.28, which is .15 seconds faster than any cornerback ran at the NFL Combine last month.
The scouts and coaches in attendance were impressed. Several snatched up DVD copies of his bio that his agent, John Biggins, had at Pro Day. The Cowboys were impressed enough that they called Biggins immediately after the afternoon’s events.
Hat tip to quincyyyyy for the post.
[UPDATE V]: Mike Tepper OT, CAL - 6'7", 324
Tepper signed with the Cowboys yesterday.
NFL.com PROFILE:
Tepper started at left tackle for the Bears during his senior year after missing his fifth year and being granted a sixth year by the NCAA. Previously he had started on the right side and that is probably a better fit at the next level. Tepper also missed the 2005 season after major surgery to repair a broken leg suffered in a car accident.
He is an adequate athlete with above average body control and a good feel for angles and how to position himself. He can struggle when out in space and may eventually slide inside to guard to compensate for his lack of lateral range. He is a bit top heavy and will overextend into blocks too often causing him to lose balance or fall off blocks.
P/K Delbert Alvarado, South Florida
Alvarado concentrated on punting the last two seasons and had a net average of 40.5 yards in 2009, As a freshman in 2006, he made a 56-yard field goal. He is likely a ``camp leg,'' brought in to protect punter Mat McBriar from over-extending himself as he returns from knee surgery.
DE Lorenzo Washington, Alabama - 6'4", 291
Washington is a big, strong defensive lineman who had average production for the Crimson Tide during his career. He flashes natural strength and power but can be inconsistent to anchor effectively when not playing with good pad level. He doesn't have great quickness and needs to expand his pass-rush package (moves and counters).
He is inconsistent with his effort and can be somewhat of an underachiever for his talent level. He is best between the tackles, because his lack of lateral agility gets exposed in space. Washington has the size and strength to give depth to an NFL defensive line but will need to develop in several areas to contribute consistently.
Thanks, all for keeping an eye out!
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+1
Washinton & Hunter Lawrence would be nice
Adopted Giant: Mike Krukow.
Grab Some Pine, Meat
Kevin Frandsen: Better than any SS on the Giants roster
Hoping for BowkerMania to hit AT&T Park in 2010
Big Tony washington
I’m an Abilene Christian student, we always wondered why T Washington showed up on the iPhone registered sex offender app. Turns out he had “consentual sex with his 15 year old sister when he was 19”. Seems to me that character issues are holding him back. I’d live to see him go to the boys though. He dominated here, sucks to see a bad mistake and being in D2 hold someone back that has a shot
by longhorn3621 on Apr 24, 2010 11:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Yeah that is such a weird mistake too.
I don’t even know if I consider that a character flaw… its so odd that I don’t even know what to think.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah but it's kind of weird flaw...
I mean, I wish I knew more about the circumstances of his life.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Eh, I think I've heard enough, too much really
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on Apr 25, 2010 2:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Tony Washington
Grew up in a tough situation. Made several mistakes as a kid. Had a scholarship to DI school, but lost it once the coach found out about his off-field issues. Went to smaller schools and worked his a** off to pursue his dream of playing in the NFL. Hasn’t had any off-field issues since he’s been in college. Matter of fact, he’s been a model citizen at ACU. Tough player on the field, plays with a nasty streak, and has respect for the game, his teammates, and his coaches. Athletic tackle who’s long arms and quick feet mean he can handle speed rushers. Need to add some strength, but has the frame to handle some extra muscle. A few years in a proffesional strength and conditioning program and working with a line coach and he has the talent to become a starter in the NFL.
He was 16
If he had been 19 when it happened, I would be much more frightened by it.
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 24, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
chill out bro
You don’t know him, you don’t know what he’s been through. And I’m tired of arguing about this crap. All I care is that the kid could help this team.
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 24, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Age doesn't matter?
Incest is a a moral flaw at the very least. I will say that it does make a difference if it was his step-sister though. I will also say that it makes a difference that it was consensual, but in the long run that is one weird situation and he should have made a better choice. That also being said when it comes to sex, few guys will resist the bloomer pudding.
Ahab the Arab
I say keep an eye on this kid, this Louie the Looper. He's going places!
I think it was his step-sister. Not that it should make difference..just saying
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
A bit of psychology
I don’t know the story with washington but I thought I’d use my degree for something and interject here. When siblings are raised together from a young age they gain a sexual immunity of sorts to each other, it’s called the westermarck effect. Basically we get programmed from the critical period of birth to around 6 so that we don’t end up creating a race of genetically flawed imbreds.
If siblings are not raised in constant contact at during this critical period and meet later in life, they stand the chance to have a strong sexual desire for each other. In a sense, we are attracted to those who are genetically similar to us. We don’t mate with family because of the above effect, but we do like similarity. Um, think of people who are married that sort of look alike, not very scientific of an analogy but our physical appearance/health is a reflection of our genetic code.
So I don’t know the situation with Washington, but it is possible that some odd circumstances led to the sexual encounter, and considering she wasn’t raped or assaulted I’d say this is more a personal problem and not a case of a sexual deviant or criminal. Just throwing this out there.
NFLDraftScout ranked him the 22nd Center, 668 Overall
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2010_C
There were 7 Centers chosen.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2010/tracker#dt-by-round-input:1/dt-tabs:dt-by-position/dt-by-position-input:ol
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 24, 2010 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Top Undrafted Centers (From NFLDraftScout)
John Estes – Hawaii
Jeff Byers – USC
Kenny Alfred – Wash. St.
Kevin Matthews – Texas A&M
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 24, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
C'mon Wade
Use those family connections to get us Kevin Matthews.
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 24, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Estes went to the Jags
It appears Kevin Matthews is the only ranked Center still available.
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 24, 2010 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Aaaah, just beat me to it
I just made a fanpost about two UFA signings we’ve made. Great post here though, very concise and informative.
Costa is 2nd all-time in Md. in several weightlifting categories
I bet I know who is #1. (Hint: he played for the Cowboys).
lol
about Nichols
May need to be groomed for longer than you have patience for.
Let the chips fall where they may
Will Barker
Olineman from Virginia, apparently signed.
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 24, 2010 8:02 PM CDT reply actions
I also love
the Garret-Virginia link. They have been producing some good players the past few years. (Not to mention our 3rd TE and 4th WR are from there!)
Measurables, Courtesy Gil Brandt
Greer (6-foot 1/2, 206 pounds), who did not participate in the NFL Scouting Combine, ran the 40-yard dash in 4.51 and 4.50 seconds, had a 34-inch vertical jump, 9-foot-9 1/2 broad jump, 4.37-second short shuttle, did the three-cone drill in 7.0 and did 18 lifts of 225 pounds in the bench press.
A smooth, polished playmaker, is an excellent route runner, according to coaches, and only lacks experience.
You happened to have a link?
I’ve looked around but can only find mention of it in a few unofficial blogs.
Sounds real, though.
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 24, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Cool...good enough...thanks!
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 24, 2010 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Updated post with his SI profile.
You might have to refresh page.
No one’s got Hunter yet. Hmmm…
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 24, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I'll go as far as the TWashington signing
Don’t really care about any other guy lol
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 24, 2010 8:08 PM CDT reply actions
Wish I could get happier with this draft, but it's not happening. I'm all right with Bryant,
and I’m hopeful about Owusu-Anseh (did I spell that correctly?), but other than that, I don’t get it. Not a damned thing done to improve the most glaring problem on the team.
I agree.
But like everyone keeps trying to reassure me, the offseason isn’t over yet. I’m trying not to panic, but whatever.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I guess I hoped that the offense would be addressed for a change, and I don't
mean adding yet another high profile WR. Once again, more picks tossed at the D and ST, and the biggest needs on offense neglected. What choice do we have but to wait and see if JJ has some other ideas for the O line? I’m not sure what signing more scrubs will accomplish. I can predict that if the team stands pat, or settles for a bunch of UDFA who are no better than Procter or McQuistan, the line will wear out and fall apart by mid-season, as always, with no one to pick up the slack.
JJ has already said he will get a veteran
by Musiccitynorm on Apr 24, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks. Well,that was interesting. He gave that answer in response
the a question about whether he’s re-sign Flo.
What is there to panic about?
I mean…it’s months away from the start of the season.
I mean, I just don’t get panicing about a team that just went 11-5.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
Did everyone forget that we finally had a good December, got to shut up the media, thrash the Eagles, see Tony Romo become a better decision maker, see Miles Austin, Mike Jenkins and Anthony Spencer blossom into pretty big pieces of the puzzle, and once more(because it makes me smile) thrash the Eagles?
Sometimes people on this board act like our O-line was on the Lions level….
The O-line was pretty terrible man, don't kid yourself.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I wouldn't go that far
They were pretty good most of the time, but need to be more consistent, and figure out how to use their massive size to pick up short yardage when necessary, I still don’t understand how they can suck at that.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on Apr 25, 2010 2:59 AM CDT up reply actions
Conveniently ignoring the Vikings game, the Green Bay game, their
performance against the Redskins, and other games when their necks were saved by Romo’s skills. The Cowboys are good, but they’re not great, and that begins and ends with the O line. I’m upset because my expectations are rising, not because I’m down on the team. I don’t think this line can get it done. If they can, and I’m wrong, awesome. No one will be happier than I. If not, you come on back here and tell me again about how great things are.
Because in my mind there are two pretty big needs that have yet to be addressed.
I mean, I don’t think we’re going to have a losing record or anything if we don’t address those things, but I don’t think we’ll make much noise in the post season without doing so either. So there’s that.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Agreed
Plus, anyone that thinks we’re going to be as lucky as last year with injuries is likely to be disappointed as well.
Not panicing, but we’re going to need depth and lots of it. The higher the quality going in, the less dropoff if/when that depth is needed.
Not to mention the 3rd hardest schedule with the majority of the projected tough games being aways.
Rabid and luvin' it
How much depth did you think we were going to have...
4 OL in the draft?
I like lineman as much as the next guy but there isn’t any guarantee a rookie would be an upgrade immediately this year anyways.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
I would've been happy with a Tackle that has a legit chance of stepping in at mid season if needed.
Add a G/C in the upper middle rounds and it would’ve made me ecstatic.LOL
Rabid and luvin' it
Ok...
well would you have rather not had Dez Bryant then?
I mean Charles Brown was really the best tackle left in the second and then after that it’s all development.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes
And I realize I’m in the minority there.
My rationale…by picking up Dez our passing game became really scary to other teams…right?
Well, our passing game was already pretty darn scary to the opposing D last season. How much did we really gain? Some, but not a lot.
Now, how much do we stand to lose if we can’t protect Romo consistently throughout the season and post season against stronger teams? We stand to lose a lot. Romo got sacked a career high last year and was showing the effects in the playoffs. It took him longer and longer to shake off each of those sacks because his back was killing him.
Rabid and luvin' it
You have a valid point.
If that is your belief that is fine. I personally would have liked more depth on the line as well.
I just don’t have huge reactions when the season is months away.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
True
I really do hope for the best. I’ve been one of Travis Bright’s biggest cheerleaders during the off season. I also hope Brewster made the most of his season on the sidelines.
I just don’t hold much hope for Proctor and McQuistan.LOL
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Apr 24, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
i think our passing game last year wasnt as scary
as our running game. Teams werent afraid of roy williams.
#6 overall passing offense is nothing to sneeze at.
And I agree, teams weren’t afraid of RW. But then again, they weren’t afraid of Austin when the season started either.LOL
I just believe we could’ve let Ogletree, Hurd and Johnson get a legit shot before going after another WR. And use that pick in an area where we weren’t so stacked.
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Apr 24, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Roy Williams is FAR from our only weapon in the passing game.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Teams initially doubled Roy if i'm not mistaken
then he got injured in Denver, and Miles became the #1
I agree with your logic.
But as staunch as I am on upgrading the O-line and FS, I just can’t justify passing on Dez. I can’t fault them for that pick, I just can’t do it. Now after the first round, yeah. I would have done things a little differently.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I'm not picking on your particularly...
but there isn’t a guarantee that a guy picked in the second round was going to provide what we need THIS year anyways.
I would be pissed if they were players that sucked and didn’t meet positions but that wasn’t the case.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Did you
happen to read OCC’s articles about our passing and running game? Our OLine isn’t terrible, it’s just terribly inconsistent.
By the way, I remember reading last year that the Cowboys are constantly finishing with the least amount of injured players in the league. Call it luck, but I call it good conditioning by Coach Joe.
No, I didn't read his articles.
I respect his opinions and all, but I base my opinions on what I’ve seen with my own eyes. Speaking of injuries, you can’t expect to get that lucky with injuries all the time. I mean, we have a great conditioning program in place, sure. But what happens if one of our O-linemen goes down? Seriously, go look at who our backup options are. It’s a legitimate concern. And Free safety is another one.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I think its safe to say
we addressed FS as well as we could without selling the house for Thomas.
Definitely disagree.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I dunno...
maybe not this year… but just reading some stuff on some sites I respect… that Ansah kid might be a huge steal.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 25, 2010 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, at some point in the future.
Don’t get me wrong, it’s highly possible he turns out to be very good in a couple of years. I just don’t think he’ll make an immediate impact anywhere but on ST.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Yeah...
I bet he’s immediatly the dime corner possibly too.
But hell after Nate Allen IMO there wasn’t a guy I was just sure of as a safety, even burnett.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 25, 2010 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Burnett and Major Wright.
I think that’s where the really good guys ended and then everything after that was going to end up taking a little time to develop. All of the guys that were considered ball-hawks taken from Wright and below were pretty solid. This draft was deep with good FS prospects.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
It's all a big conjecture
It’s not guaranteed that a drafted S will have instant impact on your team no matter where he’s drafted.
As an example, over the last few years, I only see a few guys standing out on their rookie years: Byrd had an outstanding year; Delmas had a very good year considering he played with scrubs; and Kenny Phillips had sort of a good rookie year with the Ggirls;
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 25, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
The same can be said for all positions, and all draft slots really.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Either way
The only big impact rookie safeties this year will be Eric Berry and Earl Thomas. As far as Nate Allen is concerned, I’m gonna hope he busts. lol
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 25, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, you and me both.
As far as Nate Allen is concerned, I’m gonna hope he busts.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
You might be surprised though.
Don’t sleep on Major Wright. The guy was a monster in college. Him and Haden were the anchors of that secondary.
Like I said, everybody from Major Wright and before is pretty freaking good. Don’t be surprised if a lot of those guys make immediate impacts with their new teams.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
And it will continue until something is done about it.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I thought it was pretty funny.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't. But then I think people should be able to express
opinions without having to put up with moronic mocking.
I think your taking things a little too serious.
It was just a delightful little jab. That picture has been used before on other things.. matter of fact I think I was the first person to ever do it.
I’ve seen some pretty rude comments on here before, but that was just in jest.
Lighten up.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 10:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, like you said below, it's a matter of opinion. "Delightful" is
kind of subjective.
GO COWBOYS!
All right man...
Whatever man, I don’t think most people would think of that as moronic mocking but whatever you say.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
You're right. It was brilliantly worded disagreement. But
you know what? I’m done. Now that I’ve vented, I’m going watch and wait. If nothing is done to plug up that line, let’s see who’s right. I hope all the optimists are, believe me.
Dude what is your deal?
It was a JOKE. Just a joke.
Your getting mad over something that really isn’t that serious.
And then your using smartass comments toward me like I’m some 14 year old. I don’t really appreciate it.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Let me say this one more time. It was a "joke"
at someone’s expense when they were trying to make a serious point. Those kinds of “jokes” are meant to cut off discussion by embarrassing someone into silence. It happens here all the time, and it’s pretty much never funny, except to the people who also want contrary opinions silenced. That is MY opinion.
His opinion isn't getting silenced...
The guy was (humorously) indicating that he had heard this before. That’s all. In fact, I suspect most of us actually agree, at least in part, with many of txhc’s points. He just happened to say it enough that the record picture became a usable joke.
Thank you.
I really didn’t think it was that hard to see.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah but if it had been done to you or one of your buddies you would of had a fit.
That is what I do not like about this site. It actually has cliques. You guys gang up on people that disagree with your little sunshine pumping clique.
Can I join the clique?
So pardon my disposition; why should I listen to a system that never listened to me?
No I wouldn't have.
I never gang up on anyone. I don’t have cliques, so don’t talk to me like you know me you.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 25, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
If you're referring to me...
As part of someone’s “clique,” I have posted replies maybe five times in my life. I was just especially annoyed at your defensiveness.
And, while I can’t speak for anyone else, I certainly would not have had a fit… it was not a big deal. Sheesh.
oops... I referred to flounder as if he were fernie
Got mixed up with who I was talking to. My bad.
But the stuff about being in a clique still stands. That’s ridiculous. Everyone who’s not easily offended is “in a clique” just to gang up on… somebody… who… I don’t know it doesn’t make much sense.
The ironic part is that we often actually agree on the issues themselves. But anyway.
Well, now I feel better. I know how YOU
would react . I saw someone picked on and made fun of. I didn’t like it and said so. The people defending the teasing are, if anything, more defensive than I am.
i wanna join the clique!
I’ll hang out back and smoke cigarettes and skip every class if I have to!
by alanTdot. on Apr 25, 2010 1:45 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
That's it
You were up for consideration to join the super secret cool dude clique, but forget it now.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on Apr 26, 2010 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions
It's cool, I'm not offended by it.
FWIW, I’ve been hounding these points steadily for about a month and a half.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
And that's cool.
It’s not a dumb point, I mean the line is very VERY valid point I think.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Me too, that's why I've been hounding it so hard. :P
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I don't think it's cool, but I think it's cool that you're not offended.
I’m with you on the O line, though, and I’ve been hounding it for a while myself. I’m just going to keep on hoping JJ has a plan (even if it’s to bring Flo back as Free’s back up).
Because I've been asking the same questions every year, and every year I
see the same results. NOW we have a chance to make real noise, and I don’t believe it’s going to happen if the Cowboy stand pat with this line. If JJ has a plan, I’ll be thrilled. In the meantime, if I want to panic, that’s my prerogative.
So bascially we're going 5-11 this season...
and I can find more productive things to do with my Sunday’s. Thanks for the heads up. I owe you one.
by Road Warrior on Apr 25, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
You bet. That's exactly what I said. Interesting that I either have
be blowing flowers up the como se llamas of Cowboys management, or I must be claiming that the team is going 5-11. You should definitely find something more productive to do than misrepresent what I’m arguing.
Sign Tony Washington
and all will be forgiven.
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 24, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, that's a tough one...
but I’d hate to say we wouldn’t give a guy a second chance because of his, ummm, indiscretion????
I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.
Don't get it
What were you hoping for? Would you rather reach for players that are solely based on need? They said that this was not a really deep draft for Tackles. They let the draft come to them and only moved up slightly when needed. They got the wow factor in Bryant and the lunch pail guy in Lee. Owusu-Ansah is a player that can develop into a solid safety and the last pick was a grip it and rip it from the heels swing on a player that can maybe turn into something. This isn’t Madden where you can draft Bryant and Suh and Okung and Thomas. Cowboys did a good job and I walked away feeling good about this year and not without a giant question mark over my head like last year.
We didn't have to reach
There were a bunch of OT’s who would go in the late 1st round in most years that fell to us in the 2nd.
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 24, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I would rather reach for players based on need. I felt better last year than I
do this year. Does that answer your question? We have needed O line help for years, and I don’t need more rationalizations about how great our draft was this year despite not addressing the biggest need.
Signings Keep Coming In
Lonyae Miller, RB, Fresno State, 6-0, 221. Rated as a 4th to 5th round player by CBS Sportline.
A low-mileage prospect who might have a lot of productivity to offer. Although Miller started 14 college games, his career average of 5.51 yards a carry ranked 13th among NCAA backs active last year. He arrived at Fresno State as a star high school recruit but never became a featured back in a system laden with talents such as Mathews. But scouts who study his games will see flashes of brilliance that make Miller intriguing, such as runs of 90 yards (vs. Idaho), 80 (vs. Hawaii), 72 (vs. Nevada) and 69 (vs. Colorado State). These bursts show he might be more than a tough, short-yardage back. He had the longest run in the Senior Bowl (18 yards) and finished with a game-high 44 rushing yards. His athleticism was validated at the combine, where his workouts included a 40 time of 4.43 seconds, a 10-foot broad jump and 26 repetitions with 225 pounds in the bench press. – Frank Cooney, The Sports Xchange, NFLDraftScout.com/CBS Sports/USA TODAY
Unless he's willing to contradict himself directly, he's not trading Barber. See the
above link from JimmyJohnson.
I know he said he hasn't discussed trading barber
but did he say “We will under no circumstance trade barber” ?
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
What I Heard Him Say
Was that there was no truth to the rumors that Barber was ever on the trading block leading up to the draft. He was not asked and did not say whether he might be in the future.
ok well now then
that is entirely a different matter. So Jerry might be willing to trade barber.
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
Keep them coming..
Grab some more OL. I am now happy with this draft. Got some WR talent, got some LB talent, got my pet DB talent, and some OL depth. loves it
Besides Costa not a single OL from this list is legit
You better hope we pick up Tony Washington, because as of now only Costa, Young, and second year practice squader Travis Bright are our best shot of adding depth to our OL
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Not Teofilo?
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 24, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions
This is not a good sign...
Nonexistent as a senior and barely saw the field.
Anyhow, I really like Travis Bright, and I doubt Teofilo could be him out.
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
Jerruh is a cool old man
I wish he was my grandpa
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 24, 2010 9:00 PM CDT reply actions
+1
I would love to be able to have access that family would have
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 24, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I want Scott Long WR from Louisville
He has good size and was in the top 3 of every WR drill at the Combine.
Already gone to the 49ers I think
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Apr 24, 2010 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Allen Fanaca
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I'm pretty sure.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Alan Faneca*
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
from what I've gathered...
He’s horrible @ pass blocking
FEAR the STAR.
"You have been banned from Bleeding Green Nation" -JasonB
by .FRoST.USAF on Apr 25, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
No.
He means Alan Faneca. You know, the former Pro Bowler?
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
yes
his name is Alan Faneca, or was it Al Faneca, I can never tell
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 25, 2010 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Sure it wasn't Al Franken?
Although, I did hear Alan Faneca was available as well.
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Apr 25, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Was Mawae all that bad last year
I’d consider it.
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 24, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember reading that he was trailing off a little
… and playing dirtier to compensate for his declining athleticism.
Kind of reminds me of Flo’s story here.
Rabid and luvin' it
just one more time
I hear Alan faneca is available
I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.
hm, dont think so..
but i did hear that Alan Faneca was available
Interesting to find out if the post that claimed rumor of Crayton to
Dolphins for Smiley have any merrit. Still don’t feel a dire need to trade Crayton, but, if it’s straight up for Smiley as a backup guard, I’d likely do it. Ogletree better be ready to make consistent contributions as the slot receiver just in case of injury or Bryant struggling with routes.
Hell throw in Barbie and Barber!
If we can get Smiley healthy he is a stud! Would instantly be the best OG on the team.
Yo Flounder how do you like the Ansah Pick?
Do you think he is a safety now?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
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No I do not think AOA is a S now.
In a year or 2 he might be though.
He might be a S on Dime and Nickel situations this year.
Perhaps with Ball in on the base.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I just meant a good S
I like the pick. I think AOA is a terrific athlete, but moving from CB to S will take time.
Agreed.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
This is what you said
Awasa is not a S, you can dream of converting him to FS all you want, but he is not physical.
LOL! Just say you were wrong and I was right.
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I said you might be right.
Key word is might. Personally now that we drafted him I hope YOU are right. To make you feel even better I would raather drafted Ducasse than Lee.
Really so how many probowls has AOA been in quincyy?
Just because you want him to be a S does not make him one. You, I and every other Cowboys fan HOPE he can be a FS. So you can stick your smug little I told you so on the shelf until he proves something.
dude
u showed us all him pretty much, cudos and another Quincyyy pick Sean Lissemore was picked as well…good job man
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 24, 2010 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
HOw do you figure.
I am wrong because he was drafted? Has he played a single snap at FS yet? Has he proven anything? No he has not. My god man what are you 7. If you think getting AOA over Burnett is a good thing then I weep for you.
Looks like the best kicker is gone
Swenson to the Colts
crossing my fingers we get NT martin tevaseu
does anyone know if he has been picked up yet?
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
Where are you guys seeing this stuff at?
Anywhere I can go to see who all has been signed?
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
http://www.nepatriotsdraft.com/p/2010-nfl-undrafted-free-agents.html
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
This one too
But it doesn’t list all the guys and isn’t updated all that often. But at least it has some more credibility to it.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d817c634a&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 24, 2010 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Awesome, thanks.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Here's the one I usually use
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on Apr 25, 2010 3:18 AM CDT up reply actions
I have seen Costa
play and he is an absolute monster – very aggressive with a nasty streak. And very intelligent calling the OL plays – I can not believe this kid was not drafted. He can knock guys off the ball and is great at run blocking.
"The Most Dangerous Man in the world is the one with nothing to lose"
Hope he is in the NFL.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
good info
thanks
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 24, 2010 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder if Tony is getting any offers
at all.
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 24, 2010 9:30 PM CDT reply actions
Not to Thread Jack, but Campbell getting sent to Al's crazy institution was a kick in the nutz on the way out.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
the raiders were a QB away from being a pretty good team
plus cambell is not a west coast QB, his release is to slow. I think he fits in Oakland.
by Musiccitynorm on Apr 24, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I went over to hogs haven asking them the same question just to stir them up.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
Too bad the Broncos
…got Chris Marinelli OT from Stanford. I was wondering how he’d do. He wasn’t invited to the Combine but got decent reviews.
Rabid and luvin' it
While I wish that Dallas had addressed some more depth at the line.
I don’t hate the picks. It isn’t like the guys that were drafted are all in spots that are loaded.
I don’t get the hate on Sean Lee, he was like the #2 prospect on Mayocks board when he got picked and he was over every offensive lineman.
Ducasse was really the only guy I really liked once it was in the second round.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 9:38 PM CDT reply actions
I don't hate the Lee pick
…so much as I’m leery of the injury history.
I realize it was an incredible value at that pick. But, it won’t do us much good if he’s cheering from the sideline because he’s hurt again. Sometimes it’s just bad luck (wrong place-wrong time), sometimes it’s style of play and sometimes it’s just biological/poor conditioning.
I really, really hope it was just bad luck and it stays away from him for a long time.
And yes, I wouldn’t have minded a T/G in that slot either.LOL
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Apr 24, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Ditto AFB
If DAL had taken Ducasse at that pick instead of Lee, there would probably be a lot less stress going on with regards to the OL.
Sean Lee seems like a young Brooking based on the reports of his skill set, football IQ, leadership and intangibles, so I think Dallas fans will love him once he starts playing.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on Apr 25, 2010 3:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Completely unrelated but this is what being a creep is all about
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 24, 2010 9:41 PM CDT reply actions
My exact thought
I hope this guy is dead.
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 24, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
If you'll excuse me...
I have to go take a scalding shower and scrub with a brillo pad for an hour or two
I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.
What's worse is that I just finished watching "The Lovely Bones"...and now this!
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 24, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I live in the city where this show was made.
Here’s a response that is particularly apt:
“Now everyone’s trained to be on round-the-clock pervert alert and to report the slightest pinch of a cheek. Back then, no.
Googlegooglegoogle… Their mothers were on the set (part of the game, right?), as was his wife (co-host) and daughters (also made part of the show), and a couple million fine, upstanding Canadians were watching at home from 1980 to 1987. Lots of eyes were on him.
And yet he was not dragged from CFTO studios and tarred and feathered. I think it’s safe to assume that people back then didn’t think the way you’re thinking right now. Some of the girls might have thought, “Christ! What an annoying man! Yuck! How embarrassing!” — like getting horrible Christmas kisses from old aunts and uncles, but, even worse, on television, where all of your friends can see — but I’d bet it didn’t cross many minds that he was doing anything but playing around."
And to be truthful, I just thought he was annoying and not someone who really was a pervert. At the same time there was a high school music teacher who older brothers and sisters would warn their younger siblings not to ever go to his cottage. He taught at my high school for 25 years before he was finally caught. Different time indeed.
This is my thing...
this time last year the talk was, “without Owens the offense is going to be horrible and the runningbacks will suck because everyone will stack the box”.
The coaching staff felt good with what they had, Miles Austin, and didn’t consider it a major priority.
Now the line is a different thing, of course because it’s obvious it is getting old, but I feel like there is a pretty good group off offensive personnel in this group and they have been pretty good at development, so I’m going to hold my judgement until later.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 9:48 PM CDT reply actions
The Coaching Staff didn't know about Miles
He was on the bench until Roy Williams got hurt. We just got VERY lucky that Roy got hurt and Miles had such a huge start.
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 24, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions
They were high on Miles for the last two years.
They said that when they released Owens. Raf even said he’d probably had started in 08 if he hadn’t gotten hurt.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
He couldn’t stay healthy but showed flashes of what we saw more consistently last season.
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Apr 24, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, the coaches knew what they potentially had with Austin before RW was injured
Anyone who saw the ’08 GB game could tell he was special.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on Apr 25, 2010 3:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I have to agree with this
McQuistan will stay at one spot this year and will be better.
We are no where near as close to the year we had Pettiti and Tucker as starters
by Musiccitynorm on Apr 24, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Not panicking, but I do feel this draft was a little short sighted.
Sam Young was a wasted pick and personally I think Lee was as well. Would much rather have grabbed either Jerry, Ducasse, or Brown at 59 and used the extra 4th to get back into the 3rd.
While he is a very talented player, and will fill a need eventually
He is probably not going to be a starter this year, and we could have made a play for one of the safeties like Nate Allen, Morgan Burnett, or Major Wright that would have likely made more of an immediate impact.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I wouldn't say he's a wasted pick.
Just that we have bigger needs.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
How long do you expect Brooking to play?
They got Lee, and if he’s carrying a 1st round grade he’s projected to start as a rookie. He might not be the starter on opening day, but he’ll probably be the starter at some point in ’10.
And let’s say they got Ducasse, and Brooking wore down by the end of the year. They they go into the ’11 offseason needing to get a rookie who can play immediately.
So they get him now. And this is “short-sighted?”
by Rafael Vela on Apr 24, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Not saying it's short-sighted.
If anything it’s definitely a move for the long term. And I understand the rationale behind it, believe me. My point was that it’s not as immediate of a need as other things.
But no, Brooking probably has another year or two in him and who knows what the plan is for James. I understand the move. I just don’t like it because our two biggest areas in need of upgrade haven’t really been addressed in terms of help this season. I also understand that the offseason isn’t over yet.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Last year's draft
Remind me here: Were those Williamses that we drafted last year ILB or OLB? If ILB, then what does drafting Lee mean about that draft? Everyone is ready to plug S Lee in NOW. I thought last year took care of the depth concerns at LB. Is last year a bust or is this year’s draft not so smart after all? Also, I for one am somewhat bothered by the fact that now, after the fact, is when we start hearing about Dez Bryant’s heart condition and learning disability. Seems like a hint at two strikes to me.
Brandon Williams is an OLB
Jason Williams is an ILB.
Understand the the team is prepping to replace BOTH of the ILBs. Has Bradie James ever done anything to suggest he’s more than an average ILB?
H’es 29 now. He’s already peaked.
by Rafael Vela on Apr 24, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I understand
But, is B James replacement more of a priority than OL needs? I know that we are not tuned into one tenth of the decision making process. But it would be nice to know how this was arrived at. I love the Dez pick. Hope like hell that it is a franchise moment on the level of picking Randy White or ESmith, but those two negatives make me nervous. Elite athletes have DIED with heart rate issues. I trust the experts doing the evaluation here, but I’m still nervous.
According to my five minutes of research on wikipedia
conditions that lead to sudden death because of irregular heart beat are for the most part easily detected
So no need to worry there :)
Don't Panic!!!
hope so
hope it’s all much ado about nothing. It interests me (not to be confused with “angers me”) that these two issues came to light immediately after his being drafted. Curious as to how much of it was common knowledge among the whole NFL. If it was beneficial to keep it all quiet before the draft, then why is it cool to make it known now? Preemptive excuse? Again, not bothered, just curious.
Yeah, I'm wrapping up my MD right now
And “irregular heartbeats” are super common… there are lots of subtypes, but the dangerous kinds, as levcd pointed out, are really easy to detect if you’re looking for them (as our medical team was). The super-common types are all completely benign. Don’t worry about it.
I’d say the idea of a vast conspiracy to slightly lower expectations for Dez Bryant via mention of a benign heart condition (while everyone in the organization rhapsodizes about how high we had him ranked) makes as much sense as the idea (which I just made up) that Jerry Jones is secretly gay and only drafts based upon “sexiness.” It’s possible… sort of.
As long as it's not Wolff-Parkinson-White syndrome
or Torsades de pointes
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on Apr 25, 2010 3:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Or Third-degree AV block... or Mobitz Type II...
… or prolonged QT-syndrome (ok, that’s almost the same thing as torsades) …or Brugada syndrome …or… lol. But they’re all easy to spot on EKG if you know you’re looking.
I'm kind of in aggreeance with you on this.
I think we already had depth at ILB. While Lee is definitely an upgrade over most, if not all of that depth, the fact remains that there are still plenty of LBs on the roster. Which is why I don’t really like the pick, even though the player is a very good one.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Huh?
SILB — James; J. Williams
WILB — Brooking, Lee
Who else? Or do you think Bobby Carpenter should be an every down player?
by Rafael Vela on Apr 24, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Definitely not.
Like I said above, I definitely understand the move. I just don’t like that we still have two glaring holes. How about this. You’re one of the smarter football guys I’ve come across in reading different blogs. Tell me this.
1. What do you think about the FS situation? Are you really convinced that if we go into the season with what we have at the position that it will be good enough? Because honestly, all I see are a bunch of mediocre players that would make quality backups, but not much else. I don’t see a playmaker. What do you think happens? Do we make a move for a FA, or do we leave it how it stands?
2. What if Free fails? And how about the depth? What are they going to do? Do they bring in some veterans in FA, or do they just roll the dice and pray that what they have is good enough?
Talk me off the ledge.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I think Ball would be ok at FS
we dont need a superstar there, just someone adequate and I think he can be.
2) Jerry said they’d get some veteran to be the backup LT. I dont like it either but at least theyre trying to address it.
You're looking for depth
and they’ll have veteran options at FS and OL.
Sharper is still on the market. But you’re looking for backups. How many of the guys on the market want to start? You could trade for Jamaal Brown tomorrow, but are you gonna sit Free to start him? Cause you have to if you pay any significant pick for him.
What this team needs is a Derek Kennard, or a Jason Favini type guy. Those guys will be available in May.
by Rafael Vela on Apr 24, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
That's the thing though.
I’m of the opinion that we already have the depth we need. I think we’re missing a couple of starters.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Well if thats the case...
there is not guarantee that anyone would step right in and be better in 2010.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
What about Gaither?
What about Sharper/Atogwe? The stats seem to suggest otherwise.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Man, I'd love Atogwe
And I don’t understand why we aren’t getting him. I know they want to see Alan Ball and Mike Hamlin, but you can’t just force guys into starting roles if you’ve got good options from elsewhere.
My point exactly.
There’s still time to get all of those guys, I’m just not optimistic that anything will happen with any of them based on all of the comments I’ve heard out of Valley Ranch.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I was just talking about draft picks.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I would try to argue that one too, but it's pointless now.
The picks have been made. The draft is over, it’s time to look at the other options now.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I'm not saying they COULDNT
Everyone could, I mean but that’s not a guarantee.
I mean there’s a chace that Baker guy could be a nice backup immediatly. Anything is possible.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
True.
That would also ease a lot of my frustration. But there’s generally a reason those guys get drafted late or not drafted at all. They usually need some time before they can step in and make an impact. There are exceptions to every rule though, as you said.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I'm interested in Brewster.
He was a 3rd rounder that might be a RT even a guard.
I’m ready to see him after a full camp.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah hard to say on him.
He missed a lot of time due to injury. Hopefully we have something there.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Going into the draft I was more concerned
about Ball playing starting at safety than Free at LT. But the FO thinks he is ready so who I am to say he is not. They see him everyday in practice track his offseason workouts. Most people laughed when Jerry said Miles would be as good as T.O. this year, I trust his faith.
ball started a few games last year (anyone know how many?)
but when he was there i didn’t notice Hamlin wasn’t there
4 I believe
And I would really like it if some of the higher-ups here at BTB would re-evaluate his season in an article soon.
I noticed. The D didn't play as well when he was
out, but I think it was more about his defensive play calling than that they missed his skills, or lack thereof. I don’t have any numbers to back that up, though.
No you're right.
That’s what it was. Hamlin’s biggest praise was that he got everyone lined up really well. Too bad he never actually, you know, made any plays.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
In other words
…he’s got a bright future in middle management. ;)
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Apr 25, 2010 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Thing is
As they were saying on The Lunch Break this week, you’re only going to be right on so many developmental guys before you get one wrong. I hope they’re right on Ball, but there more times you go all in on the UFA/late round developmental well, the more chance you have of getting burned.
Well they have had plent of time to look at Ball.
And he is the only guy they’ve really stuck to out of several guys they’ve thrown at the position. He didn’t seem to play horrible last year.
I wish we'd stop throwing mid-to late round picks at offensive line
Free is the only one who’s actually looked good lately. Just once I want a high end tackle.
But safety? I don’t mind later round guys there.
Honestly
I think it’s at least partially a Parcells problem. Parcells drafted late OL every year and NONE of them panned out. First year he’s gone we draft Free and how’d that work out? I’ll be interested to see Brewster and our other recent guys to see if Jerry is onto something.
Look at what the 49ers did in the draft.
I hate them. If we would have had their draft, I wouldn’t be worried about the season at all. I would be saving up for my Super Bowl tickets.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
That's how you build a football team.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
They were impressive
With the OL. Mays, eh. But OL yes, impressive. But for better or for worse, Jerry will not spend a 1st on OL unless he truly believes they can and need to start right away.
Well...
it’s also easier to have a better draft when you lose more games
: )
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
True.
But they drafted very smart. Doesn’t hurt that they had two first rounders, but they used all their picks very wisely.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Oh I agree...
I loved their picks, but you give and get throughout drafts.
I love the niners o-line POTENTIAL, but I absolutely HATE their secondary.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Mays will end up proving all the doubters wrong.
I really do.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I actually agree on Mays.
I think there is a good chance he turns into a really solid player.
Of course, I like guys with good measurables. Measurables aren’t everything, but they do count for something.
Yep, and it's not like the guy sucked in college.
He was a 2x All American first teamer. You don’t get those kinds of honors for sucking. His game needs a little polishing in some areas, but he’ll get it together.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
You can be a great college player and still fail as a pro.
Doesn’t mean the guy doesn’t want to succeed, but I have some questions about him.
Straightline speed is great, but when the major analysts all think that he has problems turning for the ball and going side to side, that is a MAJOR thing to polish.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 25, 2010 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
At worst he'll be converted to SS and still be very dominant at the position.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I don't know about that...
Ever seen a SS that has problems covering before hmmmmm let me think….
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 25, 2010 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Heh.
I can see the comparisons. I just think Mays has a higher upside. Roy was what he was, he’s never been able to cover. Mays has shown flashes of being able to cover and making big plays on the ball. He just has some bad habits. There have been safeties with stiff hips that have overcome it and done fine.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Wooo woo
Roy made big plays on the ball in college.
Lets not make it out like he didn’t. AND Roy was much more of a highlight reel than Mays.
Not saying Mays should be convicted, or that he can’t, but he’s a work in progress.
I like Answa more in the 4th over Mays honestly.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 25, 2010 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions
It isn't JUST mays.
they have average to horrible corners too
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Now that I'll give you.
Guess they’ll have to wait another year on that one.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Umm...if you think we're missing starters
odds are that nobody outside of the first round was going to help with that. Aren’t you on record of being for the Bryant pick? If you want immediate starters that is the pick you should be down on.
Dez is different.
When a top 5-10 talent guy falls to you in the 20’s you just can’t pass him up. If it would have been just about anybody else in the first round that wasn’t a lineman or a safety I would probably be bashing the pick. But Dez was the best receiver in college football, looks to be a really good player in the NFL, and will give our offense one more weapon. Plus he is insurance if Roy falls on his face again.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Some things about the heart condition
— in ‘94, Larry Allen reportedly had a shoulder injury which would require surgery. it’s in the draft book I have from that year. Dallas’ doctors did their homework, cleared him and Dallas drafted a HOFer.
— in ’96, Randall Godfrey fell into the late 2nd because of a leg injury which the team again investigated and found to be irrelevant. Dallas got a bargain there. Godfrey was a solid MLB for years.
— in ’05, Chris Canty had his eye damaged in a bar scuffle where he was hit over the head by a bottle which shattered. There were concerns that he would be legally blind in the injured eye. Jerry Jones paid to send Canty to a Duke U. specialist, who told him Canty would not suffer long-term loss of sight. Dallas got him in the 4th and he was a value pick.
If there’s anything I trust in Dallas’ personnel dept. more than anybody else, it’s the doctors. This team goes the extra mile to medically evaluated players and they’ve been rewarded for their thoroughness when other teams have been scared away.
If the Cowboys doctors say Bryant is fine, I believe them. They’ve got a sterling track record.
by Rafael Vela on Apr 24, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
what about newman's "pulled groin" that turned into a hernia?
that was weird.
They probably knew what it was all the time but he tried to play though it.
Guys do that all of the time. But medical conditions of guys your drafting and medical conditions of guys on your roster is 2 different animals.
KICK ASS every day!!!
Heart condition is something people deal with regularly...
I don’t get how his learning disability is so huge, I’ll say this until I’m blue in the face he was an all academic american in 2008, so it isn’t like the guy is just some moron or doesn’t know how to study.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly.
A learning disability doesn’t make him unable to learn. It just makes him have to learn differently than most. And by all indications of his play on the field, he learns football just fine.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Apr 24, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Usually a learning disibilty helps athletes
for example dyslexia makes it hard to learn by reading written words but the brain compensates by improving learning in other area like physically doing an activity.
Don't Panic!!!
The thing is that not everyone would agree that OL and FS were the biggest needs.
I actually think that ILB was a bigger need than FS. I’m fairly confident that Ball will be an average starter at safety, and Watkins, while not good, can be a passable back-up at both safety positions. However at linebacker there is Carpenter, who is horribly miscast in this defense and Jason Williams who is a complete unknown.
So from my point of view the teams second biggest need was addressed. And there is still quite a bit of time left to address the back-up offensive linemen. Would I have wanted a reasonably talented lineman to have been drafted? Yes, certainly. But that one failing alone, isn’t enough to turn me off of a draft where I think they got reasonably good players.
I do think there is a reasonable chance that Lee is starting before the end of the year.
James is average and old, and Brooking is wearing down.
If it happens it will be due to injury.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Brooking was a gift from the football gods
after Ayodele’s still ‘07 and Zach’s flameout ‘08. The Cowboys understood that they couldn’t count on him doing it again. Good on them.
Look at their response and Minnesota’s. Farve played like he was the Senator in “Damn Yankees” last year. The only time in the last five years he didn’t crater in December. I kept waiting for it to happen and it didn’t.
But everybody is expecting him to repeat it. I have to wonder — if four of your last five seasons end with meltdowns and your 40 year old season was steady, which is more likely in ’10?
Dallas played the percentages. I heard back in March that they were looking hard at ILBs. And if you heard some of the Broaddus pieces on ESPN in Dallas, he was saying the same thing. They were looking at ILB as a need.
And they filled it.
by Rafael Vela on Apr 24, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Watched more on Lee
kid is a stud, he will be a good player
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 24, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Bradie James is a good player and only 29
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on Apr 25, 2010 3:57 AM CDT up reply actions
He is not a player I believe will ever be a difference maker on this team.
He is a typical overrated PSU LB. All brains not ability. He is small, but at least he is slow. Hey but he is a great character guy!
He's not small, he's not slow
but your sarcasm is tiresome.
by Rafael Vela on Apr 24, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I really don't get where people are taking this from
that he’s small. He’s 6’2" 236, for size comparison only Patrick Willis is 6’1" 240.
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 24, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
That is what I love about this site.
Anyone disagrees with you and your little clique and they must be wrong. Lee is almost identical to Pohluszny(do not care if I spelled it right) and Dan Connor. They are high effort guys that are mediocre NFL LB’s.
Also when did Jason Williams turn into a SILB. All of the talk when he was drafted was that he was going to be Brooking’s replacement. So does this pick of Lee mean Hodge is pretty much done?
Perhaps people respond so poorly to you...
because you come off as arrogant.
Maybe you don’t ever think about that?
Me and TXHC and Quincy disagree all the time but no one ever offends the other, same with me and 5blings.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 25, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
How is Paul Posluszny a mediocre linebacker?
The dude got hurt his rookie year in 2007 but before getting hurt was third in the league in tackles. In 2008, he was named the Bills defensive MVP. Then last year, he got hurt in week one, but after returning to action five weeks later he created 6 turnovers in the last 11 games to tie the NFL league for turnovers caused by a MLB. I really don’t think you know you are talking about when you call Posluszny a mediocre linebacker. At the very least, the Bills would seemingly disagree.
Also, as for Williams, I think he can play either position based off his size (which is one pound lighter than Bradie) and his speed (definitely faster than Brooking).
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Apr 25, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow Flounder
I’ve never seen a screen name so accurately define online posts.
I've never noticed the clique on this site.
I have noticed that everyone can voice an opinion and will agree to disagree if a matter is in dispute. That’s good discussion. AFB is probably one of the people who goes a long way to seeing various points of view. No need to berate.
Gracias OBF
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 25, 2010 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Is Brooking small?
Because Sean Lee will enter the Dallas strength program only five pounds lighter than Brooking. And as for slow, Lee ran a 4.6 at his pro day. That is not slow.
Furthermore, instincts have a huge impact on an linebacker’s ability to get to plays and Sean Lee definitely has those.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Apr 24, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's the other point on Lee
I was convinced the Giants were gonna take him after the missed on McClain in the 1st. They dumped Antonio Pierce and need a MLB.
They passed on him to take a DT, one year after the spent a fortune on Chris Canty and Rocky Bermard to play DT.
And he winds up in Dallas instead.
I hope he makes them feel passing on him for a decade.
by Rafael Vela on Apr 24, 2010 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
He doesn't seem like
The vindictive type to me, but I hope you’re right. I guess they just didn’t think his knee was right, because he went in for a visit with them and everything. Oh well, our gain.
Oh, he's never expressed any anger at the Giants
I just want them to see him excelling for Dallas and regret that they didn’t take him when they had the chance.
by Rafael Vela on Apr 24, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I do as well.
There was an interesting take I read (I am pretty sure by Mosley) that said he could feel the Giants seething over last year’s defensive line problems when they just kept addressing that position group.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Apr 24, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Look I hope I am wrong.
As soon as the rookie meeting begin I will do what I always do. I will stop complaining about the picks I do not like and support every player we drafted 100%. Until then I will point out my displeasure with the picks I think were bad.
Agreed.
Everyone we took after the 3rd round are projects/depth. If we could have had Bryant, Ducasse/Jerry/Brown/Campbell, Allen/Burnett/Mays/Wright with our first three picks I would feel much better about this draft, despite Sean Lee’s talent. But if they go sign a Sharper/Atogwe and a solid offensive lineman or two in free agency/trade I’ll care a lot less about how this draft went.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Actually, no. I was thrilled that TO was gone, and felt the team would be better for it.
And now I’m saying this O line won’t get it done.
Well....
that’s your opinion and your entitled to it, and you might be right, but I wasn’t really talking to YOU. I was talking in general.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Well there was a large majority of fans and the media that thought that.
You didn’t poke a hole in what I said dude. What I said was true, there was a large portion of peope that thought the team was in serious trouble due to no passing threats.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Ugh, two disappointments for me so far
Titans sign OG/C/T Nick Howell
Jets sign OG/C Charlie Tanner
Also, while signing of Lissemore makes it moot, like UDFA DT Giants signed Nate Collins
What are they going to do with all those defensive linemen?
It’s crazy
by Musiccitynorm on Apr 24, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Throwing darts Norm.
You pick up a group in your hand and just chunk them and hope you hit a bullseye.
They did the same thing with WR a few years ago.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Just bring Flo back
He still has some juice left and it’s to be a backup anyway.
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 24, 2010 9:52 PM CDT reply actions
I truly believe
That if we suffer a major injury to Free, Jerry will not hesitate to call up Flo and get him back in here.
Flo will be signed by somebody
He is better than 20 of the 32 starting LT’s in the league. Probably still the best in the NFC East (over Peters).
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 24, 2010 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Did we watch the same player last year?
Adams looked really, really ugly at times last year. I really thought he was a shell of his former self. None of those dirty plays he made last year would have happened if he were still as capable as he used to be. He had to do that because he was trying desperately not to be a liability. Another year and an injury is not going to help that.
You're right about the dirty plays
And there were what… 4-5 of those… ALL SEASON…
He is still in the top half of the league in pass protection and top 5 in run blocking from the LT position.
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 24, 2010 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Not according to
Sort it by Pass Protection. He’s near the bottom of the league in that department according to that list. Now if you sort it by Run Blocking, you are correct. He is still elite in that department. Maybe we could re-sign him and move him inside. Only thing is he’s pretty tall. It would be very hard for Romo to see over him. And I couldn’t see him accepting a backup role.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
sort it by pass protection
look at the names and you will see there is something VERY wrong with that list. I find it hard to believe Flo gave up the most qb pressures in the league (why he is so low). I mean I know Romo does a lot, and many times he will make free rushers flat out miss, but thats ridiculous.
I'm just expecting his play to continue to degrade.
If it does, you’ll see a lot more of those dirty plays and several more sacks. Adams looks like he is losing it fast to me.
And I’ve never felt he was quite the run blocker as he was made out to be. He was an awesome pass blocker when he was good, but for a guy his size he never seemed to be as good as expected.
Flozell playing a reduced role also means reduced snaps
He would be able to perform at a high level for shorter periods of time. He won’t agree to be paid like a back up tho.
Yeah, he'll probably be LONG gone by that time.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Why on earth would we want "False Start" Flo back?
The first time he does his thing by getting a penalty on a third down conversion, you will be the first one bitching about his hurting the team. And you would be right! So why on earth should we bring this guy back??? It simply makes NO SENSE!
"Drew is a winner"....Roger Staubach
It's him or Pat McQuistian...
Or if Free AND Colombo go down, LT is Brewster and RT is McQuistian. Or Leonard Davis could be LT, but then you’ve got Cory Procter in at RG and you’ve still got McQuistian at RT.
Any way you slice it, we’re in trouble if Free goes down. And if Colombo goes down too, we’re sunk. Flo would provide enough to get us through an injury.
Are these actual 100% confirmed signings?
Or rumors of guys who could be signed by the cowboys?
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 24, 2010 10:09 PM CDT reply actions
Phil Costa will surely knock Corey Proctor off the toster
just show up
by AustonianAggie on Apr 24, 2010 10:19 PM CDT reply actions
Please, please
…be right.LOL
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Apr 24, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
+100
I don’t understand why Corey Proctor is still anywhere in our organization. The guy was a turnstile, and will get Romo killed.
I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.
I truly believe
That Procter is only around to keep the locker room happy. Think about it: if you’re Jerry, would you cut Procter and get a guy who’ll only be marginally better? Because if you do, you could really ruffle the feathers of the entire right side of the offensive line. Procter signs in Buffalo, the band never gets together anymore, Bigg and Marc are pissed that they spent so much work on getting their band going just to have it get broken up for the sake of some marginal upgrade.
I know it’s a dumb reason, but I think that’s at least partially the reason why Procter has us in a hostage situation.
You're assuming Buffalo (or someone else) would sign Proctor
I look at it as now Proctor would be free to do the leg work for the rest of the band.LOL
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Apr 24, 2010 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions
This is true
But hey, we traded a 5th for Montrae Holland. So I’d be inclined to think if we’d trade a draft pick for a guy like that, somebody would sign Procter as a FA. lol
you know what, it's crazy, but I buy it
If you know the potential upgrades are marginal at best, then make the move that doesn’t negatively impact morale or team chemistry.
It's not unreasonable. Procter is not good.
Though the coaches do have that ridiculous love for Procter (or he has some juicy blackmail on someone on the staff).
Proctor is essential...
Without him Free Reign will break up.
Never mind
I just read his bio again and saw that he started at LG/C/RG. That’s at least something. If it translates to the NFL, we’ll see. But knocking Procter off would be nice.
More importantly
…does he play drums?
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Apr 24, 2010 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
LMAO..you guys have NO patience!
We are not even in pre-season yet and you guys are already panicking. Bringing Flo back is NOT the answer. Garrett is not about to let this season start without plugging those holes on the OL. The draft is NOT the only place you get someone to do that with.
"Drew is a winner"....Roger Staubach
I don't think anyone (well other than one guy)
Is saying to just go out and re-sign Flo today. But it would make sense to re-sign him if Free went down for a significant amount of time. He would definitely be the ideal veteran to get, because he’d certainly be one of the best available and he also would have all the experience needed to plug right in.
I hope we don’t re-sign Flo, only because in my mind that means that Free survived 16+ games this season.
Even if Free were to go down....
Re-signing Flo would still NOT be the right answer. He has hurt this team too much in the last few years with penalties, etc…..to bring him back. Flo was never what you would call a smart player. His size was great but he constantly struggled against speed rushers and even in Aikman’s era, plagued this team with inconsistency.
"Drew is a winner"....Roger Staubach
You'd honestly rather roll
With Brewster/McQuistian/Procter than Flo? I think you’re nuts. We’d think those guys starting taking ’roids if they played like the shell Flo is now.
no......you aren't listening.
I’m saying it’s NUTS to resign Flo when it’s only APRIL. We have no idea what Jerry, Wade and Garrett have up their sleeves for the OL. There is PLENTY of time to fix it. Meanwhile, no need to panic right now. It’s still a long time to even the pre-season. All I’m saying is have a little patience and wait for it all to unfold.
"Drew is a winner"....Roger Staubach
I agree with you though
I’m not saying sign him in April. I’m saying sign him if Free goes down in say Week 9 and will be out for 6 weeks.
Isn't it more logical....
to think though that with his release, that they have thought that far ahead and were using the draft to pick up players they’ve had their eye on? It’s also logical to think they WILL plan on plugging those holes by the time the pre-season is here. I hardly think that Garrett is going to let his pro bowl QB get killed because they didn’t plug those holes on the OL before the season started.
"Drew is a winner"....Roger Staubach
It's my personal belief
That the Cowboys bank on continued health more than we would be comfortable with. Also, I think that Jerry feels that the developmental OL already on the team are good enough in a pinch.
But I could be wrong and they could have something else still in mind.
Well to be fair
this team is always insanely good at staying healthy. I don’t think it is ridiculous to say that they have the best medical staff in the league.
Well, I still feel like we're in the midst of the 09-10 season,
so it would technically be last season, which is what I meant. But whatever. Now I’m confusing myself.
My point was just that
He made it through every snap last season, which is the most recent data we have.
Not without some real pain, however, and while
taking the highest number of sacks of his career. Look, I’m agreeing with you; they’re banking on good health, and I’m not sure why.
Oh I agree
But the best medical staff in the league doesn’t make your first-year-starting-LT impervious to injury. Things happen. And if things happen to Doug Free, we’re in a sticky situation.
No one is impervious to injury
but I do expect a veteran tackle to be added for depth before the season.
JaMarcus Russell might be available
I hear he can put up a few pounds to play left tackle.
I heard the Chargers were looking at him as a backup NT.
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Apr 25, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Who?
Everyone says "veteran insert position here, but no one has any specific guys in mind, and if people starting naming specific guys, most people would realize that just because it’s a veteran doesn’t make it the answer.
I don't have someone specific in mind,
and I’m not suggesting it’s going to be someone good. Likely a camp cut or perhaps a similar trade to what brought Holland here. But you’re not always going to have great back-ups everywhere, The majority of teams will be in bad shape if they lose a starting offensive lineman. We’d like the Cowboys to be exempt from that, but it just might not be possible.
I know every team wants depth
I get that. But I also get that every expert worth anything says that we constantly have depth issues on the line, and they don’t say that about every team. And I’ve seen what our depth looks like. It’s bad.
Well....
to be honest though, Dallas is looked under a microscope more and more than most.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Not at all.
Just saying it isn’t like Dallas is the only team with O-line depth issues.
Matter of fact I’d say that there isn’t many teams in the NFL that have offensive lines that could lose two starters and not struggle.
And lets also be clear that even these teams with great “offensive lines” like the Eagles, doesn’t necessarily mean anything. I mean look how much money they have invested in the O-line and look how they played against Dallas.
Look at the Vikings! The Saints beat the hell out of Brett Favre and the Vikes have a pretty highly touted offensive line.
They talk about Green Bay plenty.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 11:35 PM CDT up reply actions
The Vikings line is severly overrated
When it comes to pass blocking. Just like ours was when we won 13 games. Teams that win lots of games magically have elite offensive lines, deservedly so or not.
Green Bay lost in the first round of the playoffs. Is that good enough for you? I bet they go further this year now they Bulaga slipped to them.
Hey I'm just having a discussion dude.
Just saying that Dallas isn’t the only team to be talked about.
AND I don’t think GB lost in the first round because of the o line.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I apologize if I came off as rude
And I agree that we’re not the only team in that boat. But just because other teams are in that same boat doesn’t mean it’s ok to be in that boat. I have extremely high hopes for this team, and I think that not having insurance in the OL is the most likely thing that is our downfall this year.
Can't say I disagree.
It’s strange because I like the players we picked in the draft but I just don’t like the fact that there seems to still be a glaring weakness in OL depth.
It is odd to feel both satisfied and concerned at the same time.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
And yet here we are.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
:)
lol So true. I think the best way to sum up my thoughts on this draft is that I am encouraged that we will be able to remain amongst the elite teams in the NFL for at least a few more years, but I’m not convinced we did anything to really help us get over the top this year.
Adding Dez will be another high powered weapon on offense.
But it’s not going to matter if Romo can’t stay off his back.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I wouldn't disagree.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 25, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep.
That being said, it could be worst.
I don’t have any guys this year that I’m just scratching my head over. Good players are good players and if they have a spot to fill than that’s great.
There isn’t a pick that makes me think back to Skyler Green here.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 25, 2010 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions
I just need the Vikes line to stay
overrated if Favre decides in August he wants to play some more. Seeing him get pounded by the Saints was the only thing that eased the pain of watching Romo get pounded by the Vikes. Yeah, I’m petty.
I'm pretty sure that if you had someone
who knew what he was looking at go team by team and look at depth at offensive line at least half of the teams in the league would have depth issues just as bad as Dallas. And I bet a few of them would be otherwise good teams the same way Dallas is.
Look at Indianapolis, their line is horrible. Since Tarik Glenn left, they haven’t had a good left tackle, and they’ve lost the good guards they used to have. And that is their starters.
But they have Manning
And his ridiculous pocket presence. They can afford to shirk on the line because their QB essentially has a built-in invisible blocker that follows him where ever he goes. lol
Sorta.
I think Indy also got help from an insanely easy schedule last year.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
It's called tuck and roll
Least bit of pressure and Peyton rolls up like an armadillo.LOL
That saves a lot of wear and tear on him. He’s just really good at making good reads quickly and getting the ball the heck out of there.
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Apr 25, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
lol
That’s so true. Manning drops at the first sign of contact.
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 25, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Now I AM a broken record, but I don't get the faith around here.
Garrett and Jones HAVE let their Pro Bowl QB get killed the last couple of years by not plugging the holes in the line. But maybe I’ll drink the Kool Aid and assume that this year will be different. Stapling the rose colored glasses to my face as we speak.
well....
IF they don’t do what I logically conclude they WILL DO…and plug those holes with trades, etc…..then yes, we are in trouble. I’m simply saying be patient and see what they do between now and when the season starts.
"Drew is a winner"....Roger Staubach
Have no idea.
I’m just saying that right now is NOT the time to panic about it. These guys get paid gobs of green to go out and do just that. All of us sit back and become armchair GM’s and give our opinions about what they should do. While that’s fun to do, those guys go out and try to figure out how to pull that proverbial rabbit outta the helmet with the star on it.
"Drew is a winner"....Roger Staubach
Then how can you be confident that a veteran is the answer
If you don’t even have a guy in mind? I’m just saying, I’d understand the “veteran” talk if people named names, but to just assume that there’s some guy out there who we can get who will help us is short-sighted. If there were FAs that the team wanted, they would’ve gotten them already.
Not necessarily.
Vets will be released… not saying that any valuable one’s will but that isn’t entirely true.
O line depth is a real big issue.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
not necessarily.
we have no idea of all the deals that go on every day. All the phone calls, text messages, emails, etc……
I don’t have to be confident right now. Having said that, if they don’t do anything else, yes I will be nervous. All I’m trying to get across to you guys is….ITS WAY TO EARLY TO JUMP FROM THAT LEDGE. Give it time. The season is still 5 months away.
"Drew is a winner"....Roger Staubach
Oh I'm optimistic as hell about the season
But the worry-wart in me says “right now we have no one behind Doug Free and that should be more of a priority than what it has been for the front office thusfar.”
I'm trying man, I really am.
Believe it or not. I’m getting kind of antsy though.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
haha
well I wouldn’t hold my breath, september is a long ways away.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Ugh don't remind me.
The Mavs look like they’ll be bounced from the playoffs in the first round, and the Rangers look like they’re going to suck this year. Sometimes I wish I didn’t love this game so much.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
You're right, and I have no choice but to try to be patient. But
I’ve been waiting on this for years now, and I feel like the Cowboys have a chance to make a serious run at the SB if they protect Romo. It kills me to think that we could basically have the same problem on the O line we’ve had for years right when this team could be a true contender. I think it’s the one major flaw left.
Look.....we all LOVE our Cowboys...
I’ve been a fan since the 70’s…so I’ve been there and done that. We all get antsy hoping we can get this player or that one. I can remember when they got Tony Dorsett way back when. So many were skeptical but it did happen.
Yes we have needs, the OL in particular. Will they be fixed? Hope so and before the season starts.
"Drew is a winner"....Roger Staubach
I really think
We’re all arguing the same things here, with the only difference being those who think the FO will make the necessary moves and those who have their doubts.
I think you'd have to be crazy not to have a little doubt.
But I will say that Jerry said they would be looking at bringing in some vets for the O-line specifically in that interview with Dukes.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd like to think that
But everytime I see a vet become available there are 5 reports saying “Cowboys not interested in signing…”
Haha...
Well that works both ways. Look at the Skins, they’ve been throwing money around at every FA in the past 3 years and it hasn’t made them a great team.
I’ve actually thought Dallas has had one of the better FA signings in the past 3 years.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Davis was good at the time.
I don’t know if that was 3 or 4 but he was good when he was signed.
Might have been overpaid but he was a HUGE upgrade for the run blocking.
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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh yes there are doubts,
but I think overall the team has done a good job to get to this point.
Of course, I think is a pretty good chance Free is going to be awesome now that he is getting starter reps in camp and in practice. Not just okay, but freaking amazing. So I only want someone on the off chance he gets hurt.
Yeah, again, you're right. I've been a fan from way
back, too, and you’d think I’d have learned patience. I’ll get my good humor back at some point when the tension of this draft wears off.
What are your guys thoughts about the QB?
Will he beat out “Checkdown” McGee?
No
Jerry will not throw away his “War Daddy” pick after just one year. McGee is here to stay, even if he shows no progress from last season. Maybe if he still hasn’t progressed in Training Camp 2011, then he could be gone. But I don’t see any possibility he is gone this year.
Meh
Neither are our QB of the future.
I’m just glad neither of them are named Brooks Bollinger
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 24, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I have my doubts about McGee
But I wouldn’t rule him out just yet. Project QBs are called projects for a reason. If they showed their stuff in the first year, they wouldn’t be considered projects. McGee still has a lot of time to get his **** together, because Romo won’t be going anywhere (hopefully) for at least 4 years.
Thats what we said about Romo
But anyways I liked Rich Bartel over McGee. As long as we don’t see anyone of these guys play (kitna too) this season I’m happy.
all the more reason
to pick up some FA depth on the O Line….so we don’t see Kitna or anyone else
I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.
I'd be down for Jerry to...
try and trade Crayton & Carpenter for Smiley. Parcells needs a compliment for Marshall
I just have a hard time
Seeing them as willing to take that trade. Would you trade good OL depth for those guys? Because that’s what Smiley is to them.
I thought I heard a rumor that they were cutting him.
Or shopping him during the draft.
That's a little premature...
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions
HAHA
That was bad, I love it.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 24, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Just imagine the puns we could've had
If that UFA TE we wanted named Sicko hadn’t decided to retire after going undrafted. lol
Didn't Watkins start a game last year when Sensi was out?
Was it the KC game or the Denver game? I remember that we lost the ability to cover the TE as good as Sensi when he was in there, but maybe he M Hamlin and Ball all compete in camp and make each other better.
Grrrr
Why isn’t there a Kicker on this list?
One good thing to come from the 2009 season: Even the Saints now have more Super Bowl titles than the Eagles, LOL!!!
CB Bryan McCann SMU is a Cowboy
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4667919/cowboys-sign-undrafted-free-agents
I’ve seen a couple of SMU games this year. This kid is very good. He’ll at the very least make the practice squad.
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
Still quite a bit of interesting O-linemen available.
I think Washington, Black, Tysyhevaljena;lfk (whatever his name is lol), Carter, and probably some others I’m forgetting. If they would take a flyer on a couple of those guys and a kicker I’d be pretty stoked.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Brandon Carter is a saint
and it looks to me like Ciron Black has signed with the steelers. Tony is still out there, but who knows if he’s even getting offers.
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 25, 2010 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Updated up top.
Thank you sir!
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 25, 2010 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions
line injury scenarios
if Free goes down, Bigg slides over to LT (where I assume he won’t be great but will be adequate…less stunts to worry about, just block that DE/OLB), then…Brewster at RG???
kosier goes down —> brewster?
gurode goes down —> proctor? (ahhhh)
davis goes down —> brewster?
columbo goes down —> brewster/davis?
You could really say that
About any position they neglected. We have a lot of various guys from last year that have not shown us fans anything yet.
And this is exactly why I'm trying really hard not to crap my pants.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
and a rookie
is that much better, who did you want for us to draft and who did you want to lose to get them?
There is still Bright who was a good prospect last year and there are still things to be done, we may be able to get Smiley from Miami for little, once ppl know teams are shopping players the value drops.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 25, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
The Bucs did..
FEAR the STAR.
"You have been banned from Bleeding Green Nation" -JasonB
by .FRoST.USAF on Apr 24, 2010 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Garrett Lindholm is still out there..
3 outta 4 at 60yd+ FGs at his pro day
FEAR the STAR.
"You have been banned from Bleeding Green Nation" -JasonB
by .FRoST.USAF on Apr 25, 2010 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
That's impressive
However, I think that Jerry and staff have decided to roll the dice with Buehler no matter what.
O for anyone wanting
new fanpost over our new draft picks
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 25, 2010 12:21 AM CDT reply actions
I'm actually pretty stoked about Ansah...
I’ve read alot of reports that says that he could be a steal.
If he hadn’t to have a surgery before the combine he might have been a 2nd rounder.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 25, 2010 12:21 AM CDT reply actions
I think we are agreeing on most things.
Just different ways of approach is all.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 25, 2010 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions
Oline still Available
Dace Richardson OG, Iowa – huge potential, huge injury risk, also played multiple positions
Tony Washington OT, Abeline Christian – Huge potential, huge moral issues
Kyle Jolly OT, NC – Has the tools, just needs to put them together
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 25, 2010 12:35 AM CDT reply actions
Also
Drew Davis OT, Alabama – Isn’t a top athlete but gives good effort that has improved every year.
Cord Howard OG, GT – Has the size and is explosive but struggled in the East-West Shrine game
Kenny Alfred C, Wash State – smaller center that relies on technique and quickness
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 25, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions
:(
I really wanted Carter and Black. Isn’t that guy from Fordham (can’t say his name) still available? He could be a good pickup that is kind of flying under the radar.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Andrew Tyshovnytsky
One of quincyyyyy’s small school super sleepers. Really impressive in his workouts. Looks to have major upside.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
O no
I’m having a hard enough time w/ Akwasi, but still plz sign this guy
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 25, 2010 2:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Does the writeup on Nichols remind anyone else of Romo?
A solid 3-year starter who has played in some big games against some pretty decent defenses and done well.
Has a bit of gunslinger mentality. Can pinpoint the ball. Let’s it fly. Leaves nothing on the field and is a competitor’s competitor.
OK size and arm strength. Intelligent and football smart. Will work. Has a little magic in his game.
Runs hot and cold. Has been a bit undisciplined at times. May need to be groomed for longer than you have patience for. Not imposing in any sense. Sometimes exhibits a tad too much swagger.
This seems like it could have been Romo’s scouting report coming out of Eastern Illinois.
Its like you read my mind with that comment.
I was even talking to one of my friends when I was reading this story and had to tell him (as a fellow Cowboys friend) that this kid sounds just like Romo.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Apr 25, 2010 3:33 AM CDT up reply actions
*as a fellow Cowboys fan
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Apr 25, 2010 3:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Not that he will turn out the same, but both seem to share many aspects
such as the gunslinging mindset, the ability to be hot and cold but still have swagger, only decent size, great accuracy, and a great worker.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Apr 25, 2010 3:35 AM CDT up reply actions
Also, I know no one has probably replied to themselves three times before
but if this kid turns out to have a better camp than McGee (which I know is way in the future), I really would prefer the Cowboys to not get cute and try to sneak him to the practice squad like they did with Matt Moore. That move still bums me out.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Apr 25, 2010 3:36 AM CDT up reply actions
lol - I was like, "wow, there's a whole conversation going...oh, wait" :)
But as an Aggie, I’ve seen McGee’s potential (albeit rarely displayed) and wouldn’t want to lose him either. And Kitna’s the only one capable of holding us over should Romo get injured for a stretch. So where does that leave us? Like Jerry says, these are the problems you want to have.
McGee and Nichols seem like deep developmental prospects with a ton of upside. Maybe one of them can kick field goals.
I am just saying that Jerry shouldn't try to get cute again like he did with Matt Moore
and try to be too greedy with roster spots. If McGee and/or Nichols shows the ability to be a long term NFL quarterback, I don’t want to see them trying to be snuck on the practice squad.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Apr 25, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
He's a camp body
Romo was a 1 in a million. And even Romo wouldn’t have been Romo if he hadn’t been coached up by Lee. We don’t have a Lee around here anymore. Wade Wilson is not a competent QB coach – much less a great one like Lee.
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 25, 2010 7:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks, Kindablue
I didn’t remember his 1st name when I typed that post. That’s why I just called him “Lee”.
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 25, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Barry Church
I’ve seen Barry play a few times being from northern ohio and he can flat out hit and ball hawk . I trully believe the Cowboys dropped the ball on Safety because Kurt Coleman from Ohio State could have played either safety position and was the defensive leader for the Buckeyes .
Yeah I was looking over his stats and my jaw dropped.
354 tackles, 5 FFs, and 9 INTs (2 returned for TDs) over 4 years. Holy hell. Yeah, he’s from a small school but that’s still pretty impressive. Here’s one scouting report I found on him:
Few players anywhere have as much experience as Barry Church. The 6-2 safety has started at Toledo for four years without missing a game. He is also just the second player in Rocket history to earn first-team All-MAC honors in four consecutive seasons. Church has been slowly improving with every season, but it was during his freshman campaign in 2006 when he made a big splash. During that season he totaled 71 tackles, but he also intercepted four passes and returned two of them for touchdowns — including one in dramatic fashion in the fourth quarter against Kansas which led to an overtime victory.
Church continued to improve in 2007 and tallied 92 tackles and picked off three passes. In 2008 the numbers were equally impressive with 93 total tackles and three forced fumbles. It was no surprise that Church was a consistent presence in the secondary during his senior campaign. On the year he tallied 98 tackles, 8.5 tackles-for-loss, 2.5 sacks and one interception.
What makes Church an interesting NFL prospect is his versatility. He can get into the backfield in a hurry or help out in coverage. That means he could play strong safety or outside linebacker in the NFL, but that will not be enough to make him more than a third or fourth round selection.
Sounds like a sleeper, I really like this pickup.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
by TXHC on Apr 25, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Let’s hope our batting average with UDFA’s continues. I’m stoked about Church.
ran a 4.64
no wonder he didn’t get drafted. Maybe if he slims down and works with Joe to get his speed and flexibility up to par he can hang with the Cooleys and Celeks of the league.
Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK
Barry Church SS, Toledo
I haven’t seen him play, but I like his scouting report and his stats.
Excellent size (6-2 222lbs), Instinctive, Physical striker, Smart & assignment sound. Tough and competitive. Durable (48 starts out of 48 possible games) Good character.
354 TKL 18 PBU 9 INT 6 FF
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
Got to see Barry Church in action once this past season
I have to say he was definitely the best defensive player we (I’m a Toledo Rocket alumnus) had. Very good hitter and nose for the ball. I got to see the home game against Northern Illinois and he was great on D. The last play of the game was his blocking of a FG (I believe it was a 42 yard attempt). Rockets won on that block.
I’m really hoping he makes the team. I think his biggest problem (and why he wasn’t drafted) was because Toledo wasn’t all that good. The game against NIU had our #2 QB starting because our #1 QB got injured the game before. Early in the 4th quarter, he goes down. Our #3 QB led our comeback. Very dramatic game. So glad I chose that game to be my 9-year old’s first college game.
by Northern Cowboy on Apr 25, 2010 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Goose gave Denver an A and Dallas a C
I think a C is about right, but an A for Denver is crazy. A huge reach in the 1st round at QB and the WR was a bit of a reach also. He gave Philly a C also.
Yeah I think most people would disagree with that...
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 25, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
wow
someone didn’t like the Cowboys draft, I don’t know really how they could get less than a B.
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 25, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Grading a draft a day after it takes place is useless.
and Goose knows it. You can only grade a draft years after to gauge a proper level of success or failure.
Goose works hard getting his mocks and draft rankings up, if wants to mail in a draft grade piece so as to take a bit of a break, who are we to begrudge him.
New player signed
Lorenzo Washington signed
http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl
there’s the link to the story couldn’t track down the story though
OT Mike Tepper was signed
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/04/cowboys-add-two-more-undrafted.html
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
he has talent
but at the combine he looked unathletic and did not carry his weight well. He is a good project
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
Tepper, Barker and Young
all sound similar. Huge, lumbering RT types who probably can’t play anywhere else in the line and who excel in run blocking more than pass blocking. I would have liked to bring in a challenger to back up the interior spots, someone who can compete with Costa to knock Proctor off the roster.
What is this, Horseville? Because I'm surrounded by naysayers.
Here's some info on Tepper from Wes Bunting...
he had this to say during East-West Shrine game practice notes…
However, the one guy on the roster who looks like he has the ability to develop into a starter at the next level is Cal standout Mike Tepper. Tepper possesses a big frame, has shown better range on his kick-slide than given credit for and has the ability to create a push off the edge. I wouldn’t project him as a left tackle in the NFL, but as a tough right-side player, I think he can play in the league.
Scott in Austin
Here's more info on Tepper...
from Big Cat Country… here’s the link:
http://www.bigcatcountry.com/2010/1/22/1265586/2010-scouting-report-mike-tepper
Scott in Austin
by scottc12345 on Apr 25, 2010 12:56 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks, Scott!
I think Tepper might be one of the better pickups they’ve signed after the draft.
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 25, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
What about Tony Washington, OT Abilene Christian
I just checked a list of Rookie FA’s so far and he is nowhere on the list. All I know is that he is one of the best OT left after draft day and has the prototypical size that we would like. Why not look at him?
Tony Washington (OT)
Height: 6’6"
Weight: 311 lbs.
Arm Length: 35 1/2 in.
Hand Size: 10 1/2 in.
College: Abilene Christian
Conference: Lone Star
Top performer @ NFL Combine in:
Bench Press, Vertical Jump, Broad Jump and 3-cone drill
Tony Romo off in dat hole, Watch roll and watch him throw, Watch him lead dem cowboys to the super bowl, now watch me "yua!" crank dat cowboys, Now watch me "yua!" crank dat cowboys, Now watch me "yua!" crank dat cowboys, Now watch me "yua!" crank dat cowboys!
The strange answer
If you haven’t heard, is that Tony had sex with his sister when he was 16 (she was 15) and is thus a registered sex offender. He’s a talented player who might get a look somewhere but he offers a pretty large PR risk.
by JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoo on Apr 25, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, well that explains why then
Tony Romo off in dat hole, Watch roll and watch him throw, Watch him lead dem cowboys to the super bowl, now watch me "yua!" crank dat cowboys, Now watch me "yua!" crank dat cowboys, Now watch me "yua!" crank dat cowboys, Now watch me "yua!" crank dat cowboys!
by ProBowlFactory on Apr 26, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
He also likes to bang his sister.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Well, I just think we need to find someone who can play the left side
Not a lack of confidence in free, but you can’t control injuries and if Free goes down, who steps in at LT? No one is able to right now, that is what the concern was going into the draft.
Tony Romo off in dat hole, Watch roll and watch him throw, Watch him lead dem cowboys to the super bowl, now watch me "yua!" crank dat cowboys, Now watch me "yua!" crank dat cowboys, Now watch me "yua!" crank dat cowboys, Now watch me "yua!" crank dat cowboys!
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