Sunday Poll: Looking at the 2010 NFL Draft Selections by Each Beast in the NFC East
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 25, 2010 12:04 PM CDT
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PrintIt seems as if everybody here at BTB likes at least some aspect of the Cowboys' draft. But, how do their selections compare to those of the other Beasts in the East?
Before you vote, make the jump to review the picks made by the Eagles, Giants, and Redskins. While Philadelphia and New York concentrated on defenders, Washington grabbed its left tackle of the future.
(24) WR Dez Bryant, Oklahoma St.
Round 2
(55) ILB Sean Lee, Penn St.
Round 4
(126) Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, Indiana (PA)
Round 6
(179) RT Sam Young, Notre Dame
(196) CB Jamar Wall, Texas Tech
Round 7
(234) DE Sean Lissemore, William & Mary
The Eagles led all the Beasts in the quantity of selections with 13. Check out Bleeding Green Nation's for analysis of each of their team's picks.
(13) Brandon Graham DE Michigan
Round 2
(37) Nate Allen S USF
Round 3
(86) Daniel Te'o-Nesheim DE Washington
Round 4
(105) Trevard Lindley CB Kentucky
(121) Keenan Clayton LB Oklahoma
(122) Mike Kafka QB Northwestern
(125) Clay Harbor TE Missouri State
Round 5
(135) Ricky Sapp DE Clemson
(159) Riley Cooper WR Florida
Round 6
(200) Charles Scott RB LSU
Round 7
(220) Jamar Chaney LB Mississippi State
(243) Jeff Owens DT Georgia
(244) Kurt Coleman S Ohio State
The Giants took seven players during the draft. Check out what Big Blue View has to say about their team's picks.
(15) DE Jason Pierre-Paul, South Florida
Round 2
(46) DT Linvall Joseph, E. Carolina
Round 3
(76) FS Chad Jones, LSU
Round 4
(115) LB Phillip Dillard, Nebraska
Round 5
(147) OG Mitch Petrus, Arkansas
Round 6
(184) DE Adrian Tracy, William & Mary
Round 7
(221) P Matt Dodge, E. Carolina
NFL.com's breakdown of the Giants' selections.
The Redskins had the least amount of draft picks (6) in the division. Visit Hogs Haven for an SB analysis of each selection, plus what they think of the Jason Campbell trade to the Raiders.
(4) OT Trent Williams, Oklahoma
Round 4
(103) LB Perry Riley, LSU
(174) TE Dennis Morris, Louisiana Tech
Round 7
(219) WR Terrence Austin, UCLA
(229) C Erik Cook, New Mexico
(231) OT Selvish Capers, W.Virginia
NFL.com's breakdown of each of the 'Skins picks.
Okay, now that you're all caught up on all the draft picks in the Beast, vote on which team you think had the better draft.
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Honestly
I couldn’t have hand-picked better 1st Rounders for our rivals. The Eagles traded up and had a chance for Earl Thomas and passed on him for (what I consider to be) a decent but not great pass rusher prospect. The Giants missed out on Rolando McClain, and instead settled for a guy I feel has bust written all over him (Jason Pierre-Paul). Then, last but not least, the Redskins pass up Russell Okung for Trent Williams, which is an error in my opinion (though not a major one).
To cap everything off, we land the best value-pick of the entire 1st round in Dez Bryant and give ourselves a legitimate out from the Roy Williams situation.
Which is my opinion
Makes him about a decent but not great pass rusher prospect. Good draft board overall.
Allen by far was the best by the Eagles selection...
looks like alot of quanity, but not quality to me…
Graham was a serious reach at 13 IMO, but they were desperate for a pass rusher. IMO, they should’ve went for the best player on their board which would be Earl Thomas by far.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
I think they needed the pass rush way more
It was a smart decision to leave S to the 2nd round. Graham ahead of Derrick Morgan was not.
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 25, 2010 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I can see that and maybe they have the philosphy of not drafting safties early.
Allen is a good player, but not on the same page as Berry or Thomas. Im actually happy they didnt draft Thomas.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
What I meant was
An impact safety was easier to find in the 2nd round than an impact pass rusher. Sure Earl Thomas is a standout, but safety was deeper. And I agree, I let out a big YES when I saw the eagals didn’t select Earl.
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 25, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say Allen is an impact safety. I wasn't real sold on him to begin with, but getting him in the 2nd was good value.
Dez is going to roast him for the forseeable future.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
You really think they didn’t pick the best player on their board, after they gave up two third round picks to move up?
I am the people's troll :3™
It's all speculation
and it’ll take some time to sort out who was a good pick and who was a bust. Except for the Skins, the rest of these teams have a very good recent history in drafting well, so I’m assuming the whole East picked solidly.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
the Cowboys had him rated as a 2nd rounder on their draft board.
The Eagles used a 1st and two 3rds to get him. I think the Eagles overrated him. Im not saying he won’t be a good player, but I think the Eagles used too much to get him.
Who's to say that the Cowboys board
is the master of all boards? They could be wrong, you know.
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 25, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe the Eagles rated him higher because of scheme
Not that he would be a bad fit if the Cowboys drafted, but Andy Reid is trying to find the next Trent Cole.
absolutely
and honestly, the draft positions don’t really mean squat until the players go and perform on the field, but its fun to argue over:)
Yep. The Eagles were right on Deshaun Jackson
And we were wrong last year. We know that much at least.
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 25, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
trent williams is not a error
Okung is at all better player, but he doesnt fit in zone blocking ground attack…okung is better pass blocker, but Williams is better in run blocking…
I have a williams in my last mock and I agree with Shanahan, Williams is better fit in his offense..
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
Value over Needs is blinding EVERYONE
Value Grade of this draft: A-
Need Grade of this draft: D
Ciron Black has supposedly signed with the Steelers, a big whiff there. As i said after we snagged Dez, we had ZERO ammunition to make moves the second day.
No Allen, no Burnett and we even missed on JD Walton. The dust will settle after this Dez Bryant deal and we’ll see how far Value will get us this year.
Owusu-Ansah should play FS
And I think we got REALLY lucky to get him as late as we did. I would have preferred a better OL prospect, but Dez is INSANE value. Are ILB’s are getting up there in years, so Lee is a great pick.
You can’t force things when they’re not there. That’s how you end up with Sam Baker or Tim Tebow in the first round.
by ChrisRichey on Apr 25, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
I agree for the most part. Although I wouldn’t rate the need grade quite that low.
I was saying on another board Jerry’s drafting style this year reminds me of my ex-wife shopping:
Her: Hey, check out all this great stuff I got.
Me: “Why’d you buy all of that stuff? We don’t most of it”
Her: “We might eventually…besides, I got it on sale.”
Me: “Whatever. BTW, the credit card bill came.”
facepalm
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Apr 25, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Need drafting sounds great
But it gets you in trouble quick. We’ll be a much better team next year with this draft than if we’d gone all out for needs this year. You can’t just assume that this is gonna be your year and go all-out on it. What if Romo tears tears his ACL in the 3rd preseason game? Would you have rather we’d gone all-in on this year with lower-talent need-filling guys, or have gotten 3-4 quality starters for (hopefully) years to come?
I like this draft because it will keep us competitive for years to come. There’s more to the Cowboys than 2010.
+1
I love this draft, because they are thinking long term. Teams that panic and start reaching to fill what appear to be immediate needs soon find themselves chasing their tails.
Let’s do this thought experiment. We draft Vladimir Ducasse in the second round, instead of Lee. The team rated him as a fourth rounder, but Jerry demands we draft the best tackle on the board. We take him, and he’s a raw project that will need a year or two to be ready to play. If we have an offensive line injury this year, which is everyone’s concern, drafting Ducasse doesn’t solve your problem anyway, because he’s not ready to play. In addition, Keith Brooking wears down at the end of this year because he’s 35, and since we didn’t take Lee, we have to get by with a green Jason Williams or (forbid) Barbie Carpenter. So now the offensive line still has a hole, and the linebacking corps regresses to where it was in 2006-2008, with no first round talent like Lee in sight to fill the gap, and tight ends and running backs are prancing free 10 to 15 yards downfield. And guess what, when Ducasse is ready to play, he won’t be a Okung or a Bulaga; at best he’s a Doug Free, at worst a James Marten. So maybe you have to go back to the well and draft another tackle project, while still having a gaping hole at ILB.
Bill James did a landmark study of drafting for need versus drafting for best player available back in the mid-1980’s and it completely put the subject to rest in my mind. I wish I could somehow do justice to the article, because it addressed all the common complaints of those who want us to draft for need. Teams that draft for need can’t see the long term future of their franchises, and utlimately find themselves at best on a talent treadmill and at worst losing ground to their competition.
Assuming our scouting department did their normal outstanding job of putting together their draft board, and I have no reason to think they didn’t, we absolutely made the right decisions and our first two draft picks. In my mind, it’s not even close. This draft set us up to be a deep and dominant team for years to come, whereas chasing subpar talent to fill perceived needs would have set us back. Well done, Jerry.
OL is a short term and a long term need.
One that we insist on addressing as a low priority.
Rabid and luvin' it
Exactly.
The ONLY way we would have been able to make this draft make “sense” for us to pick our needs over value is if we spent an arm and a leg to move up. We had nothing for draft picks this year, and we don’t have many players we’re willing to trade.
That being said, was I cheering for us to move up to 4/5 to take an OL? No way, not worth the price. Now I do admit I was yelling at my TV for Dallas to move up and snag Earl Thomas. I bet if he would have slipped closer to 20 we would have made a move… I think Thomas is that good + need.
We would have had to give up one of our RB’s or WR’s to have made that happen, or draft picks next year (not willing to lose a 2nd or 3rd next year). How could you justify giving up Crayton or MB3 / Choice? No thx. Yes we could have let Crayton go, but you say that now cuz we have Dez to take his roster spot :P
by DaStarShinesBright on Apr 25, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Brian Bulaga dropped to #23
That was within striking distance and he was considered a top 10 OT.
Rabid and luvin' it
He got a 1st round grade
But not as high of one as Dez’s.
That’s where things get sticky. How much higher does a WR have to be rated above an OL for the WR to be worth it? Obviously, they decided that the difference between Dez and Bulaga was enough to merit passing on the bigger need.
We’ll see how things work out. If Dez busts and Bulaga becomes a 5x Pro Bowler, Jerry will look mighty silly.
Yeah, once they are relatively close
I don’t buy the argument of “bettter value”. At some point Dallas needs good linemen, I have heard several Dallas-area sports writers opining that Jerry’s world view is scrape the bottom of the draft for offensive linement and bring them along, and spend your draft picks on offensive and defensive skill players. It could be true, since the draft provides some empirical evidence. It’s just a philosophy I disagree with. I’d be a happier camper today with Bulaga or Pouncey over Bryant. But if Bright and Brewster turn out to be solid or better, and Bryant becomes the next Irvin, then I’ll be proven wrong and that’s fine too.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
But Ducasse was projected in the 1st early 2nd
And even Raf projected Lee as a 4th round or later pick here.
So if anything, we reached for “need” in taking Lee… Only thing is… we have a much greater need at OT. You don’t draft purely on need. But you do take the Best Player Available at your positions of need.
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 25, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
No offense to Raf
But I’ll take his thoughts over Jerry + CO’s when he’s won his own 5 Super Bowls.
The Boys had Ducasse as a 4th and Lee as #14 overall. Deal with it. They know a hell of a lot more than you or anyone else around here. I’ll trust their judgment.
Obviously Jerry has only won 3
But the point is that the team has been successful enough to win 5 Super Bowls without taking words of advice from Raf.
You were questioning the team for neglecting depth on the OL over there.
Now you’re in this thread bust others chops for basically doing the same thing.
I know every team wants depth
I get that. But I also get that every expert worth anything says that we constantly have depth issues on the line, and they don’t say that about every team. And I’ve seen what our depth looks like. It’s bad.
by Key19 on Apr 25, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Rabid and luvin' it
They haven't done anything about it
And that’s bad. But to say that the way to solve that is to force OL reaches in the draft is wrong. I stand by my statements in that post, which can be summed up as “we don’t have OL depth, and the team is wrong for not addressing it.” But you’re also assuming that I would agree that reaching for OL in this draft just for the sake of trying to do something is the right thing to do. And I think that’s flat-out wrong.
I think they’ve been a bit too passive in years past to acquire stronger OL depth when they had decent opportunities to do so. This draft is not what I would say was a decent opportunity. Any guy we got was gonna be developmental. So why force a high developmental OL pick just to have the fans say “oh, they took an OL in the 2nd, yay all of our prayers have been answered!” if they don’t think they’d be much better off with that guy than with Sam Young. Instead they got a legit young ILB (which is just as much a depth concern as OL imo).
The Cowboys Scouting Staff Had Ducasse
As a fourth rounder. You can see their draft board here. He’s ranked as a fourth rounder, not in the first or second. Raf did suggest him as a second rounder in one mock, but not in the link you referenced, and in any event it’s the scouting department rankings that matter, not Raf’s mocks.
You don’t “reach” when you take your 14th best rated player with pick number 55. That’s the exact opposite of “reaching”; it’s taking great value. And out ILB corps is as badly in need of talent as is our offensive line.
I’m curious, what would you do next year if Brooking (who’s older than any of our offensive linemen) ran out of gas and you had to get by with Carpenter or WIlliams as your starter, and still had no immediate answer if Doug Free gets hurt? Throw Ducasse to the wolves and at the same time have opposing QBs feast on running backs catching 15 yard passes in the flat on almost every attempt?
Why is everyone saying get by with Williams?
Isn’t the guy projected to be a starter in a rather near future? I wouldn’t even go as far as putting him in the same sentence as Carpenter.
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 25, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I Think Raf Was Surmising
He might be starting in 2011. I think he would be better than Carpenter, but I wonder if, sight unseen, he’ll be ready to start next season.
I had him as a 2nd in the last rating
but I should not be the authority on draft rankings.
I was trying to project where I thought they would grade those guys
based on the data I could find. Nothing more.
I agree about Lee, but I'm starting to waiver
I totally think we overreached for Lee. If nothing else, I think we could have just snagged him without moving up. I’m not sure who was available DB / OL wise, but I believe the best available were 3+ rated.
This move wasn’t as openly crazy as Denver’s 1st round Tebow jump (wow, really?). Really, who had Tebow before McCoy and Clausen… name one team other than Denver. I digress…
I have to believe the Cowboys had some knowledge that someone was gonna pick him. Now the kid is a REALLY good LB… and VERY smart and a good tackler (something we need badly). Remember… we play a 3-4 Defense (2 DEs and 1 DT with 2 OLBS and 2 ILBS). We have great OLBs, and Brooking is badass and getting old, but I don’t trust my future to Bobby… he makes me sad in the pants when I think we spent a 1st rounder on him.
by DaStarShinesBright on Apr 25, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Apparently we traded up to leapfrog the Patriots, who were waiting for Lee to fall to them.
Once we snagged him, the Pats traded down and drafted Brandon Spikes, which shows they were definitely looking for an ILB, and probably would have drafted Lee.
That is true as well.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Apr 25, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually the Jaguars are on the record saying that they were trying to trade
with the Eagles at the same time we were to snag Sean Lee. I think that competition explains why we gave up a high price (4th rounder) to jump up and grab him.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Apr 25, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Also
Lee was the 2nd-rated ILB in the draft by many, and the only reason he had a 2nd round grade amongst the media sources was because of injury concerns. The Cowboys gave him the ok on the injury front, so they therefore did not dock him any value. Does that give him more value than what other teams might’ve given him? Maybe. But I do think he was beginning to get some serious demand at the time we drafted him. He was going to go pretty soon at that point, and we thought he was the #15 player in the whole draft. Gotta do what you have to so you’re sure you’ll get him.
Whether they’re right or not, we’ll see. But they operated perfectly in accordance with following their board. We just gotta hope the board was actually right.
I agree, feeling needs in a draft is a big mistake
Draft is to acquire good players, period, needs, especially for talented teams like the Cowboys is way overrated
In Romo we Trust
Romo would be less likely to tear his ACL if he wasn't running from the opposing D so much.
LOL
Rabid and luvin' it
Romo could go untouched in the pocket all preseason
Then try and scramble for a 1st down, take a bad slide, and blow out his knee. Things happen. Putting all your eggs in one basket is lunacy.
Excellent point
I think the Boys got a good crop for now and the future!!!
by Bermystar on Apr 25, 2010 1:20 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
they made several head scratchers
for as much credit they get as good drafters, they sure miss out on a LOT of pics.
Gotta admire the way they turned one pick into like 7, but did they get anyone that will make an impact?
Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK
That's the Question
They’ve had some excellent picks recently (Cole, Celek, Jackson, Maclin), but lots and lots of guys who were complete flameouts: Bryan Smith, McGlynn, Ikegwuonu, Abiamiri, Tony Hunt, Bunkley, Gocong, Jean-Gilles, Patterson, Reggie Brown, Matt McCoy, Ryan Moats, Considine. Every year the media swoons over their drafts and gives them A’s or A+’s, but the track record is much different.
Philly fan here
Dude, this is just factually inaccurate. McGlynn is in his third year and hasn’t been asked to do anything so you can’t say he’s a flameout; Abiamiri has been injured; Bunkley has been a starter for 3 years, Gocong was for 2 years, Patterson has been for 4 years, Brown was for 2 years, etc. Bunkley and Patterson are considered two of the best young DTs in the game. You need to check up on your info a bit.
Ah
So McGlynn can’t get into the game to help out a shaky offensive line—now that’s great evidence he has value! Abiamiri has four sacks in three years; Bunkley six career sacks in three years; Gocong was so highly cherished he was packed off to the Browns for a bag of Doritos and some pocket lint; Brown was another Eagles WR bust, a second rounder who averaging 500 yards and three TDs a year while with Philadelphia. I don’t know anyone who believes Bunkley is “one of the best young DTs in the game”, other than Eagles fans. He’s mediocre and disappears in games.
I did check up on my info. Maybe you should, too.
The philly draft crop is for retooling, and the best case for them is that they drafted some impact players along with some trade bait for future drafts.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
Will Osi be available?
I wouldn’t mind him as a pass rusher. I bet he would love sending Eli off on a stretcher.
Pretty expensive to play backup to Ware or Spencer.
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Apr 25, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
He would just be a pass rushing third down specialist. He can’t play the run, and can’t play coverage. He would be a high-rent version of Victor Butler. I’ll pass.
Not to mention
Osi had 7 sacks 4 forced fumbles and Butler had 3 sacks and 1 forced fumbles in a small fraction of the playing time.
Rabid and luvin' it
From the tone of Tom Coughlin on Friday
No. He seems adamant on keeping all of his pass rushers right where they are. Besides, I highly doubt we would trade him to our no.1 opponent next season. who do we look like, the Eagles? lol.
UPDATE on the UDFA post.
[UPDATE V]: Mike Tepper OT, CAL – 6’7", 324
TP/K Delbert Alvarado, South Florida
DE Lorenzo Washington, Alabama – 6’4", 291
Thanks, all for keeping an eye out!
The post has some profile info on each.
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2010/4/24/1442471/2010-nfl-draft-dallas-cowboys
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 25, 2010 12:50 PM CDT reply actions
Sorry that's supposed to say P/K Delbert....
Interesting there. Guess they need another leg so McB doesn’t get worn out. Plus, maybe the dude can kick accurately.
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 25, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
if he is a cowboy no way he kicks straight...
The place is haunted. Guys come and can kick other places then after a short time… boom they’re Shaun Suisham…
I believe that we were looking for possibly four contributors
from this draft. Well are they there? Dez should on special teams and some multi receiver sets. Once again Lee should play on special teams and possibly cover tight ends on third downs replacing Carp. Bob will return punts and provide depth at safety hopefully and Lissemore could replace Savii backing up Rat and possibly DE if Spears or one of the others are moved before the season starts.
Would I have liked to drafted Oline and Safety earlier ? Yes. Do I like the players that were drafted ? Yes. For the most part.
That's interesting that 30 people picked the Skins
Do they realize that if Williams turns into Mandarich, Andre Smith, or even Jason Smith then the Skins got nothing but backups for a team that went 4-12 last year? I was one of the people not happy with JPP on Thursday night, but he’s a good kid and has the tools to be good. That’s why coaches get paid the way they do. But we drafted four prospects besides him who could legitimately start by the end of the first year, not counting the punter. Hopefully they don’t have to, because there is no need, but I will take our draft as far as the mission of the FO and the need of the players against yours or the Eagles, and the Skins could potentially walk away with nothing except McNabb from this draft.
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Homer: Explain how!
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by bigbluethruandthru on Apr 25, 2010 1:07 PM CDT reply actions
yeah you got some solid players, but JPP is boom or bust
if he’s a bust, people aren’t gonna remember much that you got a solid DT or S
As much as I love Dez
The same can be said of him. 50/50 boom or bust.
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 25, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he's more than that
Dez has produced at the college level and dominated at that level. JPP was drafted on potential.
And Did It as a Sophomore
In one of the best football conferences in the country. Ray Sherman said with development, he had the tools to be in the Terrell Owens or Calvin Johnson class.
Think more Andre Johnson
T.O. drops far too many balls
When I think of a guy
that doesn’t have exceptional speed but has tremendous body control and ability to adjust to the ball. That’s exactly who I think of.
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 25, 2010 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions
JPP
Had ONE good season in college. ONE. I believe Taylor Mays was a Top 10 pick before coming back this last season. JPP’s team-mate George Selvie was thought to be the real deal after one year. He was just drafted in the 7th round by the Rams after teams realized he wasn’t as good and didn’t have as much “potential” as originally thought.
Plus, that one season had what, 7 sacks?
It wasn’t like he was just unstoppable.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Apr 25, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
He actually had 6.5 in case anyone cares
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Apr 25, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Dez looks like a beast
if his head stays on straight, i’d say you got a certified monster in the first.
the difference is we wouldnt have broken the bank with him...
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
The fact that you think a 4th and 5th rounder are good enough to start for your team...
says more about how bad your current team is than how good the picks are.
I do like your later round picks as future projects, but that 1st rounder JPP has bust written all over him. Check out this Football Outsiders article:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2010/introducing-sackseer
Read my post more carefully
I said hopefully they won’t have to start because someone ahead of them will lock the position down (Goff and Seubert). But if they end up starting, I think they will be fine.
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Homer: Explain how!
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by bigbluethruandthru on Apr 25, 2010 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions
How could anyone think WR and ILB are NOT major needs?
If Austin goes down, who will be happy with RW, Crayton and Ogletree as our only options? We needed another playmaker WR to keep defences from loading up the box against our running game. Three solid but unspectacular recievers won’t do that.
More importantly, we NEEDED a starting ILB. Brooking is old and Brady is getting there. Carpenter may not be on the team very long and we currently have nobody backing up Brady. J. Williams is an unknown, right now.
No offensive lineman drafted outside the top 20 was going to start for us this year, no matter what. Sean Lee has a good chance of starting, and at the very least competing for the nickel LB (which should make all the Barbie haters out there happy). Lee and Bryant will also immediately add tremendous atheleticism to our special teams.
The only OL that would be ready to fill in as a starter in case of injury THIS YEAR would be a veteran free agent, which Jerry said he would look into after the draft. I don’t really see how drafting an OL in the 2nd round would help fill a need for this year.
Any FS we draft would also take some time to learn our defense. I think Akwasi has as much long term potential at FS as anyone outside of Berry and Thomas, and if he doesn’t start until next year, that is fine by me. I’ll survive with Ball, Watkins, and M. Hamlin just fine. An injury to Ball we could handle by starting Watkins or Hamlin, but an injury to Brady could very well doom us if Carpenter or Curtis Johnson were pulled into duty.
yeah I agree
but OL depth is just a big need that we haven’t properly addressed for a long time. It used to be that our starters were great and if we kept them healthy we’d be fine. That worked for a while, but now some of our starters aren’t so great anymore and we really don’t have anyone who could replace any of the projected starters. Brewster maybe, but that has yet to be proved.
I agree, OL depth is really important...
but we drafted a project last year and brought in veterans (Holland and Preston). We drafted another project this year and we will bring in another veteran or maybe two (who hopefully will be much better than Holland). If the college and pro scouts hit on a couple of guys like they did with Columbo, Kosier, and Free, then we will do just fine with this strategy.
yeah thats why I said 'properly' address
we’ve drafted mid round guys/ late round guys, tried to coach up guys that other teams have cast off. Some of it has worked but a whole lot of it hasn’t. I remember when we used to draft OL higher up – the days of Gurode and Flozell, even Al Johnson – he was decent for a while. Nowadays we kinda roll the dice trying to develop guys.
I think Jerry is philosophically against
Drafting OL high for initial depth. He trusts his starters and doesn’t see why having 6 starting-caliber guys is needed. He figures depth is used for developing cheaper guys that can come in when needed. He was right about Free so far, I’ll give him that. Maybe they’ve finally figured it out. We’ll see what Brewster does.
Not as big a need as O-Line
The dropoff from Gurode or Kosier to Proctor is huge. Proctor will lose games if he is the starting Guard. The dropoff to McQuistan is the same or worse. And the Dropoff from free to Bigg is probably the worst of all (Since Bigg can’t handle rushers in the confined space of the Guard position). Not to mention the fact that our starters aren’t that great to begin with.
Linebackers, on the other hand, are pretty much set. Our starters are above average (Brooking is a star; James is average). If one goes down, much maligned Bobby Carpenter can play the position at least as well as Akin Ayodele. It would not be close to the kind of game-altering scenario we would have if Proctor ever sees the playing field again.
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 25, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
If Carpenter could play as well as Akin Ayodele
He would’ve already. And correct me if I’m wrong, but the team was generally no good compared to what it is now when we had Ayodele at LB.
We know Bobby sucks. We know Procter sucks. We don’t know about Jason Williams. We don’t know about Robert Brewster. We know the OL is old. We know Brooking is old. Seems pretty even to me.
No
If we lose Austin, and players produce similarly to last year, we’re going to need an awful lot of help from our defense to win games. I’m not sure RW/Crayton/Ogletree would scare ANYONE.
If we lose brooking, our defense will revert back to its 2007-2008 version of good but not dominant (maybe slightly better than that considering how spencer has come along). Carp is NOT a suitable answer, the guy is poor against the run. And by 2011, we’re looking at a situation where we’d need to replace Brooking AND James – thats similar to OL.
OL is a bigger need, but not by that much.
I was preaching this very fact for two months prior to the draft....
Too many questions with these WR’s….Austin was the only true playmaker. Now we have 2 and possibly 3 if Ogletree blossoms like we expect him to.
James being an average ILB and nearly at the end of his contract, Brookings a little old in the tooth ILB was a definate need. Its real possible we could see Lee and Williams as the two starting ILBs in 2011.
"Austin made the play, Austin saved the day" Brad Sham
Poor Drafts
We drafted okay but the other three drafted terribly IMHO.
Philly adds more small linemen that our O-line has never had any trouble pushing around. Just look at the holes we gave our running backs in the last two games of the 2009 season pushing around their smaller linemen. Nate Allen is a great addition to their team. And they got a bevy of picks some of whom will work out but not this year.
Giants still have no Mike linebacker, I think JJP has bust all over him and Linvall Joseph is a good solid player but not a play maker.
Redskins are the redskins. Can’t wait to see Demarcus Ware initiatie their new left tackle in the first game of the season. They’d better hope that LT works out because they got nothing else with this draft.
Cowboys by far got the best draft with Philly next, Giants, and then Redskins, as usual, in the rear.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 25, 2010 1:45 PM CDT reply actions
Philly is not just undersized on the line
but they drafted undersized LBs and S as well. Speed is great, and maybe in the right scheme all those smaller faster guys will be good, but right now I foresee us and the Giants running all over them.
Don't forget about the Ansah
He brakes a lot of tackles in the open field, and has the speed not to get caught from behind.
I believe the fact that Kwasi dances a lot
might freak out Joe D a little. However I think he could be a very good kick-returner.
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 25, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions
It works against some teams
Some teams struggle with the speed.
Ours does not. The way they get us is through tricky play-calling that confuses our O-line and Romo. This year it seemed like our line was much better at recognizing their blitzes and Romo much better at avoiding turnovers.
If they can’t out-smart us, they definately can’t stand up man-to-man against our offense.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 25, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
The Giants had a plan and stuck with it
They didn’t make any panic trades, and took a pick at every round that fit the plan of younger, more athletic, tougher players. Yeah McClain would have been great, but did anybody really think the Raiders would pull the trigger on him? Trading to 7 would have broken the bank, and we needed more bodies. I didn’t like the JPP pick, but you keep saying “boom or bust” without seeming to acknowledge what a boom would mean for the NFC East. The next Jevon Kearse wearing blue and running circles around your huge fat linemen. And a nose tackle isn’t suposed to be a playmaker, he’s supposed to make it easier for other players to make plays. Haloti Ngata sure ressurrected Ray Lewis’ career didn’t he? Watch how much better our LB’s suddenly become when they have unrestricted paths to the ball carriers.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Apr 25, 2010 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
.....
The Ravens run a base 3-4 the Giants run a base 4-3… that’s not a great comparison.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 25, 2010 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Prediction
When we look back 4 years from now Akwasi Owusu-Ansah will be far better fs than nate allen…I like Allen but he lacks the size to intimidate wr’s and he struggles making tackles..However he is a good coverage guy and can play cb as well…But Akwasi Owusu-Ansah has better size/speed combination and is very athletic..He will end up being the better player down the road…
Maybe I am wrong, but I thought a lot of scouting reports
said Allen wasn’t a great slot guy. If I remember correctly, his skills were more covering TEs and running all the secondary calls.
Regardless, I never saw his ceiling as being all that high. I think both Akwasi and Burnett have more potential to be superstars in this league with their elite athleticism.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Apr 25, 2010 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Akwasi Owusu-Ansah
has a high cieling. If he lives up to his potential he could be a great safety in this league.
However, he’s definatley a project. He’s going to have to learn A LOT. He could definately be a bust.
But that’s absolutely fine because we got him at the end of the 4th round. That’s the kind of guy you want to snatch up then.
It’s even more excellent since the guy we took in the 4th round has more upside than the guy they took in the 2nd round. Good luck Eagles!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Apr 25, 2010 4:23 PM CDT up reply actions
That's definitely true
The Ansah’s upside is way higher than Allen’s.
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 25, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you maybe right..
If not for the shoulder concern I believe he would’ve been drafted ahead of Allen.
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I think that's too far
Kwasi is a small school guy. And he did not have DRC’s chance to perform in all-star games due to that injury I believe.
I don’t believe anybody would draft him in the 2nd round without some sort of showing against better competition.
I’m really excited about Kwasi’s upside though.
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 25, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions
last word on Gaither
It was clear over draft weekend that teams didn’t want to give up picks for veteran players.
The players that were traded were practically given away. Other talented players like Baltimore tackle Jared Gaither stayed put.
The Ravens revealed Saturday that Gaither didn’t even inspire a low-ball offer, which is somewhat surprising for a player with his talent.
Baltimore will have to make do with an over-abundance of quality tackles for the time being
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/25/no-team-made-an-offer-for-gaither/
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Just weird
If he’s all that (and from what I can tell he is) why in the world did no one make a play for him??
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
No one might think he's an elite tackle
And there are some work ethic issues from what I’ve heard. Maybe there isn’t a team out there that is willing to pay him top tackle money.
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 25, 2010 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Cowboys' signed players are up to 16
Which is the number that Jerry estimated. We did sign Washington… Lorenzo Washington.
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 25, 2010 4:58 PM CDT reply actions
Tony Washington's issue is so tense
that no one around the " media " seems to be talking about him. All I see around the web is football fans clamoring for their team to sign him.
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 25, 2010 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Its kind of a delicate situation...
I’d personally stay away from him as a GM, as a fan I wouldn’t pass up talent. But you never know how a locker room would react to a situation like this. Some make joke around with him if he has a sense of humor and others might not embrace him even haze him if he didn’t. Much different than the Marcus Dixon story.
Yep
I can see clearly why teams would want to avoid him.Even if they thought he was a good kid and turned his life around. I still wish the Boys would give him a shot. My guess is we’d never hear a peep from him.
Let the chips fall where they may
I'm So Over Tony Washington
I wish him well, but it appears with 17 guys signed that we’ve already decided on who is our 2010 UFDA crop.
Yeah, It's not gonna happen
But I do feel sorry for the kid.
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 25, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't underestimate
The Eagles draft. They got another small pass rusher, and the last time we played a guy like that (Ray Edwards) he schooled the O line. Smaller, high motor guys like BG seem to kill the O line always(Dummervil, Clay Mathews). Also, Nate Allen is going to give the Eagles a more reliable secondary, and Ricky Sapp was a steal in the 5th.
Their Draft Was Mediocre
They have a high bust rate, especially with defensive linemen. This year will be no exception.
List is Now Up to 17 Players
Here they are (see link for more details)
Matt Nichols, QB, Eastern Washington
Alfonso Greer, WR, Colorado State
Terrell Hudgins, WR, Elon
Verran Tucker, WR, California
Lonyae Miller, RB, Fresno State
Will Barker, OT, Virginia
Mike Tepper, OT, California
Chet Teofilo, G/C, California
Phil Costa, G/C, Maryland
Nick Tow-Arnett, TE, Minnesota
Chris Gronkowski, FB, Arizona
Junior Aumavae, NT, Minnesota State
Barry Church, S, Toledo
Bryan McCann, DB, SMU
Danny McCray, S LSU
Lorenzo Washington, DE, Alabama
Delbert Alvarado, K, South Florida
Simon Harris, TE, North Carolina State will also participate on a workout (I assume this means non-contract) basis.
BTW a little write up about Junior Aumavae
Finally a massive NT prospect…..
http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2010/01/12/sports/doc4b4c0a6227776554446542.txt
VERY much a longshot though, However, in other articles he claims the Cowboys told them they’d consider him in the 7th round.
Do we have a thing for long-shot prospects
named “Junior” at NT position or what??
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Wtf
Tepper had his leg run over by a car twice.
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 25, 2010 6:15 PM CDT reply actions
Wow
And he looks like he’s 38 instead of 22. I hope he can play.
by JimmyJohnson on Apr 25, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Dallas' draft has generally been well received...except for A**hole Rick Gosselin
of the DaMN. He gives us a “C”.
Wharter
Yeah he is an idiot..gives us a C..
but Denver gives up a 2nd, 3rd and 4th for Tebow who wont even see the field this year…Denver had the worst draft by far..
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This is sorta unrelated but it had me laughing pretty hard
Butler is ripping on Buehler for being a kicker.
Let the chips fall where they may
oops (link)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvN3wwXg_B0&feature=player_embedded#!
Let the chips fall where they may
Man I really like Ogletree
Another down to earth guy. I hope the arrival of Dez doesn’t push his progress down.
by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 25, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
My working theory is
it’ll be the Tree and not Dez that pushes Williams off the roster…
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Not this year he won't...
Love Ogletree, but he will be the 4th guy on the depth chart this season…Next year we may see Austin, Dez and Ogletree as the starting three.
#88 Dez Bryant-Welcome to the Cowboys!!!
This is my point...He'll start the season there
but if/when RW doesn’t get it done, The Tree will start eating into his time and that’ll be that.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Wanna feel a little better about O-line
From home page:
[Jones also didn’t rule out the possibility of adding some veteran players at other positions, particularly at offensive line and safety, where only Owasu-Ansah was picked in the draft, and even he won’t be able to participate until training camp because of a previous shoulder injury that required surgery.
“I’m not as clear there on the veteran safety as I am with where we are on the offensive line,” Jones said. “I think we do look at the veteran as a backup with obviously (Marc) Colombo and (Doug) Free and the three guys we’ve got in there in the middle.”
Jones wasn’t as confident about the safety position.]
Trying to translate Jerry speak, I take this to mean he is already comfortable with something that is available now, not just from cuts. In Jerryworld this is as sure as he gets.
I'm willing to bet Mike Hamlin will end up being our starting FS
and we’ll sign a vet tackle to back up Free. All this clamoring about we should have drafted safety and OL is nonsense, we’ll be fine at those positions.
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Let me help
“Despite having been a lineman myself, I believe in having nothing but old, overpaid guys play offensive line, backed up by fat underachievers or more old guys. I pay Tony to run, run like a deer. It’s more entertaining that way…”
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
NFC Draft Grades
Philadelphia: A+ The Eagles did what they had to do and is shore up their defense.
Washington: A Did well with only six picks.
Giants: C+ They did ok, but I think they would have done better in the first round.
Our Boys: C- An ok draft where we addressed some needs, but I am not liking the Dez Bryant selection due to his work ethic at times. With that said, hopefully he turns out to prove Jerry right and me wrong along with catching winning TD passes against Minnesota, the Giants, Eagles, and Redskins.
I think of the division rivals
you have to go with the Eagles. Probably most of those guys won’t pan out, but a few of them probably will. Neither of the other teams drafts look impressive to me of all. I think the Redskins first round pick looks better than the other guys, but they just didn’t have much else going on there.
Iggles had the least bad draft
I liked Nate Allen and Clay Harbor a lot. Plus they had the most chances to hit on a good player.
WAS got nothing other than Williams, they should go back to trading those picks away for over the hill players.
NYG, some nice DL players but a bit of overkill.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
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