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2010 Cowboys Draft Grade: For Entertainment Purposes Only

The 2010 NFL Draft is in the books, along with it the Dallas Cowboys 2010 draft class. Six players taken over three days, two on offense, four on defense.

Going into the draft, most everybody agreed that the Cowboys areas of need included the offensive line and safety. When you release two starters - Flozell Adams and Ken Hamlin - at those positions, it immediately elevates the ‘need' level. After that, you could make a case for a variety of positions as areas of need, or more precisely, areas we could use some youth and competition for the future starting spot.

Grading a draft days after it happens is like a reality TV show - sure, it can be entertaining, but it's not really reality.

So this is purely an exercise in hedonistic entertainment, and is in no way meant to mean anything.

Grading the Dallas Cowboys 2010 Draft...

Star-divide

 

Need

Potential

Impact 2010

Draft Value

Dez Bryant

WR

1st Round

Moderate. Could have gone the season with what we had, but adding a playmaker opposite Miles Austin is a bonus.

Huge. Stud athlete with high production in college.

Expect Bryant to see the field early and often in 2010. Could potentially become a force.

Huge. Easily rated as a Top 10 talent with many scouts and teams. Dallas got him at #24

Sean Lee

ILB

2nd Round

Moderate. James and Brooking are aging, especially Brooking. Neither covers the pass well. Only Jason Williams was a potential future player at the spot.

High. Was rated as the second best ILB in the draft. Comes from a college that produces well-rounded linebackers.

Depending on his skills, should at least see time in nickel or as a sub. Will also contribute on special teams.

High. Was conservatively rated as a high-second round pick, the Cowboys got him much later than expected.

Akwasi Osuwu-Ansah

S/CB

4th Round

Very High. The Cowboys needed safety help and they plan to convert AOA to that position. Versatility as a S/CB could pay off.

High. A very athletic player who has yet to truly refine his skills. A dynamic return-man on special teams.

Could challenge to start at safety, but much more likely to be a sub and contribute on special teams.

Moderate. Projections had him anywhere from late 2nd to 4th.

Sam Young

OT

4th Round

Very High. Tackle was a position of concern after the release of Flozell Adams.

Low to moderate. By most accounts, the kid's a battler, a scrapper, but the athleticism/agility is limited, especially the feet.

Likely wouldn't see the field.

Low. Actually picked higher than a lot of services projected.

Jamar Wall

CB

6thRound

Moderate. They have three good CBs, but behind that they would have to move Alan Ball back over for injuries.

Moderate. Physical player that shows good ball skills.

Potentially only on special teams.

Moderate. Went within the range of projections.

Sean Lissemore

DL

7th Round

Low/Moderate. The Cowboys have a rotation of DEs, but could use help at backup NT.

Moderate. Because of his speed and agility, he's a threat to make an impact.

Probably minimal.

Low. Many thought he could have been picked up as a UDFA.

 

I'm giving this draft a solid B.

I really like the Dez Bryant pick, if he produces up to his talent level, then in three years this will be a successful draft. Sean Lee also has a chance to do something special. AOA is a gifted physical specimen who may be a player down the road. The other three picks could go either way.

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How is it a B

We ABSOLUTELY failed on NEED. You really think AOA is our answer at Safety? I’m hearing everywhere we’re gonna need to groom him, didn’t know we had that time considering how hyped we are about the Super Bowl THIS YEAR.

by elFURIOSOpozo on Apr 25, 2010 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uh, the goal is not to win the Super Bowl this year

It’s to remain as talented and competitive as possible for as long as possible. Chances are you’ll get to the promised land somewhere in there. Going for broke on one year just because of the home Super Bowl is setting yourself up for failure though.

People act like we should’ve traded our 1sts from 2011 and 2012 just to get Earl Thomas and a decent OT. Sorry, that’s just dumb. You let the picks come to you and you get the best guys you can with them. Do that every year and you’ll have a hell of a team for a hell of a long time.

by Key19 on Apr 25, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

talented is fine but...

Forget E. Thomas but what about trading down for more picks and snag Ducasse, Burnett, N. Allen or Jd Walton in the third?

by elFURIOSOpozo on Apr 25, 2010 9:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

The Cowboys were never going to draft Ducasse

Sorry.

Nate Allen also went too rich for their blood. I don’t blame them. They know Doug Free, Alan Ball, Mike Hamlin, Robert Brewster, and friends a LOT better than we do. If they really thought these guys couldn’t cut it, then maybe they would’ve been more aggressive in filling “needs.” But I think they have confidence in all of these guys.

by Key19 on Apr 25, 2010 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Trade down.

Yes. I’m with that strategy. If Sean Lee is lighting up people half-way through the season and playing 3rd down coverage like glue, then great. JJ is a genius.

But if the more likely happens—that’s he’s a good, serviceable player—then I wouldn’t have given up a 4th rounder to the brotherly-hate cheesesteak eaters in a draft that was widely labeled as among the deepest drafts. Instead find a suitor, trade #59 for an early 3rd and an early 4th and get two players instead of one. Burnett and JD Walton would be have this draft a A+

by Eagles suck on Apr 25, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

It better be the goal

In 2011 there maybe a lock out and everyone knows the world is ending in 2012

by 082288 on Apr 25, 2010 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

SORRY GUY BUT WHER DID U CUM FROM?

This season is what it is all about super bowl at Dallas and DAllas playn in it!!!!

JJ went and draftd guys that could impact this team this year!!!! EVEN AOA !!! He could at least return kicks.

The goal every year is to win a super bowl, but this year its in bold print for the Cowboys.

JJ isnt that dumb to give away the draft 4 a safety.

by lostar2009 on Apr 25, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

The goal is to win the Super Bowl. But many fans around here want to go all-in on making it there this year, and that’s just a horrible strategy.

by Key19 on Apr 26, 2010 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not only is it a horrible strategy, but it is one I don't understand in the least.

The goal should be to field a productive team every year. If you get into the playoffs every year, odds are that at some point you will make it to the Super Bowl. I do not like the thinking that so many seem to have that it was all about this year.

by Arson55 on Apr 26, 2010 2:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Building a Productive Team Every year

That’s exactly what I am trying to say we ARE NOT doing with this year’s draft. The front of the team looks great but what about the depth and long term value of the positions? What will happen if one of Offensive Linemen goes down again, we don’t have the depth we had with Free in there?
How does drafting this linebacker help our need at safety? Everyone knows Ball and Hamlin (Mike) weren’t recommended for long term use, and I doubt AOA will be groomed over the course of one training camp to be our solid safety.
What does "all in" have to do with trading down for more picks? How does "all in" not apply what we gave up to move to snag Dez?

by elFURIOSOpozo on Apr 26, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

What we gave up to snag Dez?

We swapped a third round pick for a fourth round pick. That hardly seems like excessive value to move up and grab a guy that they had ranked that highly on the board.

How do you know Ball isn’t recommended for long term use? Not by the fans certainly, but how do you know the coaches aren’t looking at him, and thinking, ‘This guy can play.’ I’m willing to bet that they are, because quite frankly I do not think that they cut Hamlin if they don’t feel they can get through the year with what they already have at safety.

This draft has little to do with fielding a productive team this year. Odds are this is going to be a productive team this year regardless of who they picked in this draft. This Cowboys team won its first playoff game in a long time, and it is short a mere two starters from that team. One of whom was a marginal at best player. The other was an aging veteran whose best days are clearly behind him.

by Arson55 on Apr 26, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Your argument is very selective

You could make the same argument at ILB— if Brooking went down (and he’s old, it happens), we’d be in serious trouble without Sean Lee. Carpenter has shown he’s not an NFL starter (like Corey Proctor, Holland, etc. on the OL) and Jason Williams mans Bradie’s position, not Brooking’s.

Similarly, if Miles Austin goes down, we were pretty effed at WR. Like, “the entire offense grinds to a screeching halt” effed. I’m not saying WR was a need, but if you start playing the “What if someone gets hurt game?”, there are a lot of positions that become scary.

Yes, we still have depth needs at OL and FS, but clearly the coaching staff feels pretty good about Brewster, Alan Ball, etc. You can’t be deep at every position. This isn’t 1992.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Apr 26, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

AOA COULD START DONT COUNT HIM OUT!!

To me i look as if it was last year before Free came on to the scene who did we have no one!!!!

I do believe that a new center would b our biggest upgrade on the oline.. It would push Gurode to G…

A true Center .. a smart one too

by lostar2009 on Apr 26, 2010 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Grizz you had it right up until the last one

Lissimore will be a stud.

2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it

by quincyyyyy on Apr 25, 2010 8:06 PM CDT reply actions  

it's not either way with him

2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it

by quincyyyyy on Apr 25, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lissimore has more natural athleticism than Rat did coming out of college

Lissimore was on the track team before he bulked up, and last year had 2 interceptions as a DT! He also had 66 tackles and 6.5 sacks, although he does play for William and Mary so the competition is not that great. But the interceptions are impressive for a DT playing on any level.

2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it

by quincyyyyy on Apr 25, 2010 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lissimore Is Now Officially My Pet Cat

Lots of teams were interested in him, I believe the Patriots and Giants offered to sign him if he didn’t get drafted. Good thing we picked him up. He sounds very athletic and mobile, the sort of lineman Wade loves. Ratliff II, anyone?

His name is pronounced “LEE-sih-more”. His first name is Sean, so you have to listen carefully to hear the difference between his name and Sean Lee’s.

by kindablue on Apr 25, 2010 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I cant find any tape on him

Can you guys?

Let the chips fall where they may

by sublimezg on Apr 25, 2010 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Couldn't Find Tape

And had to go to the William & Mary official web site just to find out how old he was. He turns 23 on 11 Sep.

by kindablue on Apr 25, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

blargh

Let the chips fall where they may

by sublimezg on Apr 25, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great Stuff, Thanks

He had one good play sliding down the line to stuff the runner on 4th and one at the 4:06 mark. Looked to be active although I didn’t see him make many plays. He’s still my pet cat.

by kindablue on Apr 25, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

He picked the QB off the ball during the muffed snap at 3:00 also

Look for #93. The QB was trying to make the recovery and Lissimore knocked him away from it allowing his team to make the recovery. Heads up move.

Here’s another video on their defense. BTW, the Giants took their other defensive lineman Adrian Tracy in the 6th round.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doMxe-AyO5s&feature=fvw

Lissimore makes a nice TFL at about :35.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Apr 25, 2010 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lissimore is fast

after he had his guy beat the QB didn’t have a chance to get away from him

2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it

by quincyyyyy on Apr 25, 2010 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sean was on my freshman hall

so I’m enjoying my small connection to the Cowboys. My only other personal connection was playing against Fasano in HS. It’s amazing how much bigger Sean got since our freshman year.

by WAREwolf94 on Apr 25, 2010 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

It’s amazing how much bigger Sean got since our freshman year.

Mild red flag here?

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey

by Seanrude on Apr 25, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

bahhaa...

I was 5’10 135 when I graduated HS, now I’m 6’2 220. Some people just bloom late.

Let the chips fall where they may

by sublimezg on Apr 25, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

man would you like to play safety for the cowboys?

you’re bigger than alan ball, we can get rid of him

by ratware on Apr 26, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

I’d very much like that. Where do I sign?

Let the chips fall where they may

by sublimezg on Apr 26, 2010 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tribe Pride!!!

I am really hoping the guy sticks!

by Doctorjorts on Apr 25, 2010 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

yep

no wonder Dave thought he went too high

by Sean N on Apr 25, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, sounds kinda James Marten-esque

Maybe an extra body at RT or OG, but not much more than that? Can’t teach athletic ability— if it’s not there, it’s never gonna be. Even Colombo, who we look at as a gritty, “want to” player, came into the league as an excellent athletic talent as well.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Apr 25, 2010 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I figure if a guy has had 30 or so starts at a major program

and is a sixth rounder, he is near maxed out. I would prefer a more raw talent.

by I_miss_Switzer on Apr 26, 2010 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

I Loved the Draft

Time will tell whether the scouting staff came the right conclusions and whether Jerry and company made the right decisions, but right now I give us an A.

Good summary, Grizz.

by kindablue on Apr 25, 2010 8:07 PM CDT reply actions  

I give it a solid B also

they should get at least three solid players out of it. Wish they could have addressed LT better, but I don’t want them to reach for someone they really don’t think will be a player. I still don’t get the Sam Young pick. Hopefully, they see something that I don’t. Would have rather used that pick on a solid kicker.

by illcowboy on Apr 25, 2010 8:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Can't wait for training camp

it will be really nice to see the last two draft classes fully healthy and competing for positions.

It's fun to do bad things. -Latarian Milton

by TexasGarcia37 on Apr 25, 2010 8:19 PM CDT reply actions  

True

Didn’t get much of a feel with the exception of a few from all those last year. Lets hope Brewster especially is a stud. Know nothing much about him, but if they didn’t put him immediately to I.R. when he tore that muscle hoping he would get better tells me they think a lot of him. I think Butler and Hodge will be interesting to watch as well since we got a little bit from them.

by shaneshot on Apr 25, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jamar Wall

is the only pick I really didn’t like. I’m pretty much “meh” on Sam Young. But didn’t this team learn their lesson last year with Mickens and Smith when it comes to stiff, zone cornerbacks? They don’t fit us well.

by BigD88 on Apr 25, 2010 8:22 PM CDT reply actions  

he isn't stiff

he has good fluidity and is very quick, Mickens had a knee issue that wiped his quickness away and w/out either he was doomed to fail

by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 25, 2010 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Disagree with your grade Grizz...

When your 1st and 2nd round picks are HUGE and HIGH, that qualifies as a near A grade. Teams are expected to get starters in rounds 1-3, contributors in round 4, reserves in round 5, and you roll the dice in rounds 6-7. In other words, you HAVE to give the earlier picks more weight. But as you rightfully state, cannot judge a draft until the guys show their wears.

by ddthinks on Apr 25, 2010 8:30 PM CDT reply actions  

Also, personally, would qualify AOA as a High value.....

I had not seen even the most conservative draft projections having him last past the early 4th round. To get him late 4th round equates to what occurred with Lee.

by ddthinks on Apr 25, 2010 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't know why but

I keep likening AOA to Anthony Henry, and what might have been had we turned him into a safety early on. They are almost exactly the same size, both have similar athleticism (though I think AOA is more dynamic and an overall better athlete), and both were picked in the 4th round. Interesting.

Let the chips fall where they may

by sublimezg on Apr 25, 2010 8:31 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, I think AOA is a much better athlete than Henry, at least in his Cowboy days.

by Jordan Sams on Apr 25, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's Not Saying Much!

He was almost in a wheelchair his last three years.

by kindablue on Apr 25, 2010 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Henry did have ball skills though.

And was an aggressive tackler. Actually, he was a very good player, the man just couldn’t stay healthy.

by Arson55 on Apr 25, 2010 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes in that way they are similar

the big difference, AOA has been clocked running the 40 in 4.32, Henry may have been 4.6

by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 25, 2010 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

4.55

And yes, AOA is real fast for his size

Let the chips fall where they may

by sublimezg on Apr 25, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

4.6 maybe in his heyday

The last years I bet he would be a 4.8, I remember him being toasted constantly.

by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 25, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Going out on a limb here

But I think you can actually expect quite a bit more from AOA

Let the chips fall where they may

by sublimezg on Apr 25, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe Cowboys era Henry..

…but early career Henry was a stud nickel CB and led the league with 10 picks one years in Cleveland. The guy was quite a player for a while, and even in his first couple Cowboys years he played very well when his knee allowed him to.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Apr 25, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm optimistic about Sam Young

people say he was mediocre at Norte Dame but he played on a flumoxed team. He played 4 years, as a starter, so that meant no matter who they brought in through recuiting they could never knock him off the roster. He seems like a player

Also, as a 4 year starter, he’s been reliable and seen a lot of football. He’s had enough experience against many of the best DEs in College that he could be the first swing tackle, right now.

by AustonianAggie on Apr 25, 2010 8:34 PM CDT reply actions  

They Say Young Has Slow Feet

but didn’t he run pretty well at the combine?

by Iowacowboy on Apr 25, 2010 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

After watching tape,

he may get run out of the camp…I hope not, but he could get his behind really handed to him.

"The Most Dangerous Man in the world is the one with nothing to lose"

by SaratogaRacing on Apr 25, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sean Lissemore

is going to knock Junior Siavi off the roster and play 250 snaps or more at DT, I predict

by AustonianAggie on Apr 25, 2010 8:34 PM CDT reply actions  

I'll take that bet

Because they’re starting with him at DE. :)

by Key19 on Apr 25, 2010 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

they are starting him there

but Wade said that NT would be easier to learn (not play of course) so we could see him there as well. Also he will be a sub in some packages.

by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 25, 2010 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Listen to the first :35 of this video

The guy is taking about this player being the kind of NT that Wade likes right before they draft Lissimore:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN-V8LTw2-M&feature=player_embedded#!

They may be calling him a DE, but it sounds like they’re planning on making him a NT.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Apr 25, 2010 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

Eventually he will be a NT, but the bet was 250 snaps at NT this season, and I just don’t see that happening.

by Key19 on Apr 26, 2010 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree

I think Wade was looking for a NT backup who has traits similar to Rat.

Of course he might also see snaps at DE. Being able to rotate in at all the line positions is a nice bonus.

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Apr 26, 2010 2:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I know this draft talk is spilling over to various threads, but...

the thing that really pumps me up about this draft is getting two players with the wiggle to not only possibly play as punt returners, but also could translate to RAC yards both on offense and defense.

by ddthinks on Apr 25, 2010 8:35 PM CDT reply actions  

we'll see what Jamar Wall can do

he’s going to replace Patrick Watkins at the bottom of the DB chart

by AustonianAggie on Apr 25, 2010 8:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks to everyone who made the draft so much fun

I usually go away and hibernate between the end of the year and the draft. I’m sure for a lot of people here, that’s good news when I don’t post. It sure is fun to come back and start getting excited again and the draft is a great way to get it going again.

Thanks to all the writers here who have done so much work leading up to this weekend. Thanks too for my fellow bloggers who add all the great commentary.

by StillHateTheGiants on Apr 25, 2010 8:37 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

+100

well said, thanks to all the guys that do the heavy lifting. You know who you are.

I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.

by nspirals on Apr 25, 2010 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

indeed

Love it

Let the chips fall where they may

by sublimezg on Apr 25, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I had a blast following along on BTB

The one liners people were throwing out there really added to the overall draft experience in a silly (but good) way.

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Apr 26, 2010 2:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

six and seven

The late round picks hadn’t Been contacted at all. It appears as though the board had been picked clean by then. But lissemore is intriguing with the wrestling experience.

by just4fun on Apr 25, 2010 8:41 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Cody and Vlad were just sitting yhere

In the 2nd round. Like a gift. We got a great player, but the thought of Cody at NT on 1st and 2nd with Rat at DE seemed too good to be true. We could have moved Spears and been better for it.

Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.

by Lord Humungus on Apr 25, 2010 8:42 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Vlad had a 4th Round grade from the Cowboys

There was no chance in hell they were taking him in the 2nd. Sorry.

by Key19 on Apr 25, 2010 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Neither does Rat want to move back to DE

What is it with people fixated with that? Rattlif is special at NT.

by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 25, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I know right?

It makes absolutely no sense to me either. Rat is arguably the best NT in the league – why move him to another position. Will be just as dominant at DE? Would we be able to find someone who dominates as much as NT to replace Rat?

Its much harder to find a dominant NT than a dominant 3-4 DE I think, and we have one- why move him?

by Sean N on Apr 25, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

especially when ur outside backers are top notch

You want to disrupt the middle and move that QB toward one of them. Nobody else on the roster will do that as well as Ratt and it’s not even close.

Let the chips fall where they may

by sublimezg on Apr 25, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Will Barker OT Virgina

he’s another 4 year starter from a major college. I like these guys with good pedigre’s; I think our second string OL will be entirely made over by our draft picks and UDFAs

by AustonianAggie on Apr 25, 2010 8:58 PM CDT reply actions  

hopefully one of these lower picks produces

i don’t recall a huge buzz about scandrick when he was drafted, except that he was obviously exceptionally fast. same with choice, i think a bunch of us were like hmmmm, a RB?? i don’t think many people expected MBIII to be as good as he was in his prime.

then again, there’s always barbie and spears as counterpoints. i just don’t why people are definitely down on some of these unknown picks.

by blee on Apr 25, 2010 9:05 PM CDT reply actions  

we were pretty high on scandrick and choice

we knew scandrick was a 5th round steal and people choice would be a great locker room guy

by Sean N on Apr 25, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was sold on Choice

when someone here posted his My Everything or Nothing speech.

by 082288 on Apr 25, 2010 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

No that run of starts his rookie year

against some of the best defenses in the league when they still couldn’t stop him impressed me.

…now I’m just making myself sad that he still isn’t the starter. I love Jones, but there is no doubt in my mind that Choice is the best of our backs.

by Arson55 on Apr 26, 2010 2:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

B is good

and the wildcard is Dez – he could very well be another Marty-B though – let’s give him a chance but I get a bad vibe about this guy.

"The Most Dangerous Man in the world is the one with nothing to lose"

by SaratogaRacing on Apr 25, 2010 9:14 PM CDT reply actions  

bad vibe?

All of his post draft comments have me raving!
Most of his game day videos Wow me.

What do you see that I’m missing?

by BishopWest on Apr 25, 2010 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

yea really

Yes sir, no sir.. He seems very quiet and reserved to me. I don’t see any Marty B in him at all. If anything I see Marty B. and Terrell Hudgins becoming really good friends, assuming he sticks around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P6JYMvVAKk

Let the chips fall where they may

by sublimezg on Apr 25, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

On The Lunch Break

They gave the impression that Marty B and Dez were at least acquaintances back in college (just from playing each other), if not actual distant friends.

Worrisome to me, but hey, no one ever thinks that maybe Dez will rub off on Marty B in a good way. They just always assume Marty B will rub off on Dez in a bad way. lol

by Key19 on Apr 25, 2010 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I ilke the draft

I would have preferred Burnett to Lee, because he fills an immediate need.

I am with Dave, I give it a B, easily can be an A if Dez, plays like Boldin in his rookie season-AOA contributes on KR

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by Wmillion on Apr 25, 2010 9:28 PM CDT reply actions  

I disagree about the impact Dez will have this year

I think he’s a lot more unrefined and raw as a WR than fans realize. With his kind of athletic ability, it’s easy to make plays in the Big 12 where you never see press coverage against really good CBs.

I think it will take him a season or two to learn how to run better routes and beat press coverage, until then his impact this year will really be limited as a punt returner although I see him as being really good in this capacity in 2010.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 25, 2010 9:34 PM CDT reply actions  

My biggest concern about Dez

Is how many parallels you can draw to Roy Williams.

Big XII
Not a burner, but fast enough.
Pretty good size.
“Elite” hands.

NFLDraftScout even listed Roy Williams as Dez’s closest NFL comparison. lol

shudders

by Key19 on Apr 25, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

I said before that he could turn out to be really great

or a RW clone. If I recall correctly, RW was considered just a good as Bryant in the 2004 draft. I thought he’d be a risky pick and he is. There is a reason 23 teams passed on him.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Apr 25, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

heh

 I said before that he could turn out to be really great or a RW clone.

so you’re saying he could either be good or bad? Well played, sir.

by Joey2zs on Apr 25, 2010 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't see that comparison at all

They don’t run the same, they’re not built the same, and uhhh, let’s see Roy boy return a punt…

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by sublimezg on Apr 25, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

explain to me how they are built differently

They are both ripped to shreads

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by Terry on Apr 25, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry

If you can’t see the difference in builds it’s not worth explaining. They are built VERY different.

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by sublimezg on Apr 25, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Density/thickness

…well then, but anyway.

Bryant has a larger frame/more muscle density and is quicker, more athletic in his breaks, more of a natural runner.

by - Adrian - on Apr 25, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dez is about 15 pounds heavier and an inch shorter

and is much quicker than Roy. They are different. Roy looks lumbering when he runs sometimes. Dez is a lot smoother

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by quincyyyyy on Apr 25, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

They are the same height

but Roy is much longer, looks like a string pole while Dez is complete solid muscle

by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 25, 2010 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right

Dez resembles Andre Johnson more than any other receiver I can think of. Dez is an inch shorter and 3 lbs lighter than him. Both are beasts.

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by sublimezg on Apr 25, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dez

is 6’2" 225lb

Row is 6’3" 215 (that’s what he is listed at, but I remembering him saying he lost some weight last season…

the difference is in their builds more than anything, and how they run

by - Adrian - on Apr 25, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

Andre Johnson is the best comparison

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Apr 26, 2010 2:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

I dunno, I still think Andre is closest. Just my opinion.

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by sublimezg on Apr 25, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Roy is 6'3

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by quincyyyyy on Apr 25, 2010 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would say the difference is that Dez has a much better ability to move laterally.

That is why he returned punts and Roy Willy never did (unless I am forgetting something). I also would say that Dez is quicker at getting to top speed and is stronger coming out of college.

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by Cowboyfan729 on Apr 25, 2010 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I sure hope you are right man

Two 1sts, two 3rds, and a 5th for two Roy Williamses? I think I might have to quit the NFL for a while… :(

by Key19 on Apr 25, 2010 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

go to images.google.com

and then look at each of them, you will see their bodies build is completely different then go search youtube.com for each of their highlight vids (they both have college ones) and you will see the difference

by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 25, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've seen Dez and Roy

So I know they have their differences, but they do have their similarities as well. And then, like I said, the player comparison on Dez’s page was Roy. It’s not a perfect comparison, but a passable one on some fronts.

by Key19 on Apr 26, 2010 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dez out of the slot?

He has drawn some TO comparisons because his physicality-TO thrived in the slot.

He would draw 3rd corners, typically smaller guys.

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by Wmillion on Apr 25, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

and he would eat them alive

in the slot he will get a more free release being a yard off the LOS, which IMO will help his transition be more seamless

by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 25, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

With two PFHOFers in this draft how can it be a B. 88 is a gimme, and if they give 46 to Ansah he should make it, and

 at we’ll, at last, have Cliff’s number in the Hall.

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by CowboyMan on Apr 25, 2010 9:39 PM CDT reply actions  

I think I'll wait until free agency, trades, and UDFA to play out, then I'll wait

 three full seasons, before I give a grade. Randy White rookie season, Bust (well, not quite, but almost), then MVPSB and PFHOF bound. But go ahead, I like reading the posts and who knows, yoooooooooooooooooou may be right.

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by CowboyMan on Apr 25, 2010 9:44 PM CDT reply actions  

Wasnt Randy White learning a whole new postion

LB to DL?

Spencer did not exactly wow in his first season. I would not say he was a bust, but there was not a wow factor either.

by 082288 on Apr 25, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

you guys had a great 2 rounds

probably right up there with the best this weekend. dez bryant will be a beast for you, that’s a guarantee.

by wilddre22 on Apr 25, 2010 10:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I was glad

to see Dallas sign Barry Church. Figured he would have been a late draft pick.

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by tyler2 on Apr 25, 2010 10:09 PM CDT reply actions  

OT: Tony Washington

I can’t believe this dude wasn’t signed by anyone so far. I know he did something dumb when he was a kid, although the act wasn’t even malicious.

The NFL is so heartless they won’t give this very talented kid a chance over this. I can’t believe a non-malicious act when he was 16 will affect him the rest of his life. Sad. I’m really disappointed that there are so many cowardly owners in this league.

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by quincyyyyy on Apr 25, 2010 11:00 PM CDT reply actions  

same

There’s still a chance he’ll get a shot somewhere. I sure hope he does.

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by sublimezg on Apr 25, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm

Has a lot of talent, rated as top 10 OTs, and even though the crime wasn’t malicious and i’m sure it wouldn’t be repeated…ever. It is still a strange mark that would scare most owners off from, I wonder what Jerry thinks on this guy, maybe let the dust settle a little bit and sign him. Marcus Dixon was in a similar (but not as gross since it wasn’t family) incident and we signed him so maybe we are just waiting a bit to grab him to see what the response could be. I’m sure Jerry has at least talked to people about him.

by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 25, 2010 11:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Girl claimed he raped her as far as I remember

He served jail time but I think it was an age issue and not a consent issue. Don’t quote me on that, but it’s something along those lines.

by Key19 on Apr 26, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

it was consensual

when the white girls father found out what happened he made her file charges. It was racist and B.S.

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by quincyyyyy on Apr 26, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think he had sex with a girl when they were both teens

He says that the girl’s father was horrified when he found out and got her to say he raped her. The jury acquitted him of rape but convicted him of statutory rape since the girl was 15 and 3/4 at the time. Under Georgia law he got a mandatory 10 yr sentence but that was overturned by the Georgia supreme court and he was released.

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=3370379

by Sean N on Apr 26, 2010 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dixon got a raw deal

I have been rooting for the guy since Dallas signed him. Hopefully this is his season to make it onto the roster.

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by APerfectStar on Apr 26, 2010 2:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

A lot of people has done stupid stuff in their younger days

And a lot found a way to be drafted and play in the NFL…

There’s something else going on with Tony Washington, the guy doesn’t become an untouchable for being naughty with his half-sister.

Might it be intelligence? I remember reading during the process a leak about an interview and how his answer to a question about the incident wasn’t to the scouts liking, it made him look as if he didn’t knew that there was something wrong with that…

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by Chandus on Apr 25, 2010 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I read an article on him

and that’s what it said. One scout was genuinely worried about him

I worry about this kid. Whether it’s that again or something else, he has a history of serious problems. What disturbs me is that I don’t know if he sees anything wrong with it, He said where he comes from, this kind of thing happens all the time. I don’t think he’s at all ready for the rejection he’s about to face once people find out.

by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 25, 2010 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Didnt JJ say recently that he is willing to give 2nd chances unless

The player broke the with drugs or had mental issues? I think the quote above would go under mental issue.

by 082288 on Apr 25, 2010 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

it was not his half sister

it was his biological sister

Getting past the whole incest thing there are other red flags

Who called the police?
Why has his sister just recently started talking with his again. If it was completely consensual?

by 082288 on Apr 25, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

it can be consensual but still ruin a relationship, uh which is why the whole thing's a bad idea

but yeah, unless his parents were religious freaks or something, how did the cops find out? that’s a whole ’nother set of worms.

by blee on Apr 25, 2010 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

from that article...

“His unique situation required authorities in both New Orleans and Texas to accept his transfer of residence, something law enforcement officials in his home state of Louisiana initially refused to do.”

seems like he can freely cross state borders…

by blee on Apr 25, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

bc removing that from the books is no legislator's #1 priority

and because underage consensual sex never gets enforced…unless in a case like this. just like how the laws against sodomy were in the books but only enforced against gay dudes and how the death penalty for rape was only used to execute black people raping white women. law enforcement likes being able to choose who to arrest…

by blee on Apr 26, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's stupid really

Because being on the sex offenders list is preventing this kid from following his dreams.

by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 26, 2010 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

presumably he could've lied about it i think

cause the record only says “promiscuous conduct” since he was underage. though i guess there’s no way he could’ve kept that under wraps.

i think he deserves a second chance (and he’s supposedly been a model citizen at abilene christian). also the “second round grade” given by a scout in that article is influencing me quite a bit.

by blee on Apr 26, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah the more I think about it me too

thank you for all of your help with my questions blee

by 082288 on Apr 26, 2010 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nice to see you come around, man

A couple of threads back I remember you being really uptight about this kid’s situation.

by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 26, 2010 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well teh whole Incest thing is a tough one to get over

and like I said there are still some red flags, plus none of the 32 teams have made a move on this guy. But I do not think it was rape and thus should not be branded at a sex offender

by 082288 on Apr 26, 2010 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

It sure is

And the media might pound this kid hard if he gets signed. But I just wanna see him get a chance.

by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 26, 2010 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Would really like to see him get a chance with the Cowboys, but if not them I hope he makes camp somewhere.

by Left Coast Cowboy on Apr 26, 2010 2:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

sam young

no he wasn’t, he was suppose to go in the6th or 7th

by Longhorn on Apr 25, 2010 11:21 PM CDT reply actions  

And like I said in another topic

It seems like the media is avoiding him completely. I see people ask about him and it’s ignored ( on the web )

by Cowboysaficionado on Apr 25, 2010 11:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Initial reaction

Ecstatic about Dez, initially puzzled by the S Lee pick and largely ambivalent about the rest. Although I’m coming around on AOA. Because this draft turned out so completely different than I expected, I’ve had to adjust perspective. Going in – felt OL/S were immediate priorities, WR/ILB next year’s needs. Am a big believer in being opportunistic in my business and think that’s how DAL has played this. Am especially pleased we have upgraded our Return game for both aspects so much.

The entire Need vs Value debate is vexing – if we drafted solely for Value, then why didn’t we pick a QB or RB? Because the Need wasn’t there. It’s not all one or the other, these aren’t mutually exclusive positions, but is our priority proportional? It’s Science, but there is some Art as well.

Appears DAlLis satisfied we have the Starters on our roster to cover those Need positions and can add depth through FA. Even though our draft was bold, it also comes with considerable risk.

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by tdships on Apr 25, 2010 11:40 PM CDT reply actions  

This was not a deep QB or RB draft

A lot of RBs went undrafted this year for a reason. There was not that much value there. And if Spiller was there in the 2nd, I can’t say there was no chance of us taking him. Especially if Sean Lee was off the board.

by Key19 on Apr 26, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

That guy does not know much.

He claims the Cowboys can’t evaluate WRs, but we found Miles Austin. Also, it is a consensus that Dez Bryant is a great WR talent so I don’t think that evaluation should be questioned on the basis of the Cowboys can’t evaluate WRs.

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by Cowboyfan729 on Apr 26, 2010 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sounds like a sorry excuse of a troll atempt to me

Trying to get famous by being edgy.. pretty weak

Let the chips fall where they may

by sublimezg on Apr 26, 2010 1:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing.

He was right about one thing the NFC East will not have a weak QB this year. I was trying to think of another division that every team’s QB was strong. The AFC East was close (only Buff does not have a strong QB)

by 082288 on Apr 26, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think a B is fair

Dez is a great pick, he’ll be a great player for Dallas.
Sean Lee sounds like a young Brooking.
I like AOA, it will be great having a FS with that much speed who can cover. Plus nice ST player right away.
I liked the Wall pick a lot. He reminds me of Antoine Winfield a little bit.
Lissimore could be a poor man’s Ratliff, which would still be pretty good.

Don’t think the OL pick was good, but between Sam Young, Mike Tepper, and Will Barker, maybe one of them will step up and turn out to be something. Not getting my hopes up though.

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Apr 26, 2010 2:24 AM CDT reply actions  

I have no problems with a B.

In large part because of the War Room picture in that Fan Post. Looking at it the Cowboys didn’t have a lot of highly rated linemen on their board, and they had Lee rated higher than all of the safeties left on the board. I would rather the team follow its board rather than intentionally reach for need. Reaching for need is what teams like Buffalo consistently do, and why they consistently fail to gain ground.

Now if their board just sucks that’s another problem entirely. But we won’t know if their board sucked for awhile yet. I’m hoping not.

by Arson55 on Apr 26, 2010 2:48 AM CDT reply actions  

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