Cowboys Flashback: What's a Phillips' 34?
With the draft in the books, I think we've reached a good time to re-assess the type of defense Wade Phillips runs. His 3-4 scheme differs from the "purer" version BIll Parcells ran in '05 and '06, and is better suited for the speedier linebackers he's drafted. Some people have questioned 2nd round pick Sean Lee's potential effectiveness, commenting that he appears "small" in clips they have seen on YouTube.
Read this analysis of Wade's D, first published in February '07 and updated here to accommodate current Cowboys' personnel, and see how Phillips' scheme, which protected and enabled 227 lb. Donnie Edwards, perfectly fits the skill sets of inside backers in waiting Lee and Jason Williams:
Perhaps the most intriguing comment in Wade Phillips’ inaugural presser was his declaration that he would call the defensive plays for his "Phillips’ 3-4″ next season. The players, as blogger Emmitt>>Barry noted in his morning thread, are excited by the change.
What exactly is a Phillips’ 3-4 and how does it differ from Bill Parcells’ scheme?
I went to the tape and saw that Phillips in San Diego used almost identical personnel to Dallas, but ran a very different attack.
Parcells’ defense has been referred to as vanilla this week, and in some respects it is. He drafted big front seven people, linemen and linebackers and set them up in a straight-forward, one-on-one defense. Look at Dallas in most 3-4 first and second down situations last year and you saw:
a.) three linemen always, and I mean always, lined head up over the opponent’s center and tackles. That’s because Parcells is one of the few coordinators who runs a true two-gap defense.
This means that on run plays, the three linemen are given responsibility for the two gaps to either side of them. They are to control the lineman directly in front of them, read which way the play is going, shed the blocker and fill the appropriate lane. It’s a read-and-react scheme and it depends on big, strong, smart line play.
b.) It also puts a premium on big linebackers, since they are not protected in the ways that middle and weakside linebackers are in the speedier 4-3 schemes that Dallas used to run or that the many Tampa-2 team use. The inside linebackers have to take guards head on and the outside linebackers need the bulk to control tight ends and take away the outside run.
San Diego takes a very different approach. I watched tape of their 2005 game against the Cowboys and saw a decidedly one-gap approach.
The first dramatic difference comes in the placement of the linemen. Rather than lining head up like the Dallas three, the Chargers guys lined up in gaps or did a lot of shading, lining up on a lineman or tight end’s inside or outside shoulder. In fact, I rarely saw a Chargers lineman or linebacker taking an opponent head on.
Here’s one typical front that gave the Dallas running game trouble. With Dallas lined up in a strong left formation (meaning TE Jason Witten was lined up next to LT Flozell Adams) the Chargers deployed this way: RE Igor Olshansky lined up on Adams’ inside shoulder. NT Jamal Williams shaded C Andre Gurode’s left shoulder. LE Jacques Cesare lined up wide of RT Rob Petitti.
ROLB Steve Foley lined up wide of TE Witten. ILB Randall Godfrey lined four yards off the ball and over Adams’ left shoulder, in a stacked position behind Olshansky, who was lined up immediately over Adams’ right shouder.
The other ILB Donnie Edwards was also four yards deep and lined up over the C/RG gap. LOLB Ben Leber was, like Godfrey, lined up over the RT Petitti, but off the ball.
Draw this up on a piece of paper and then look at the lane assignments. There are seven gaps around and between the Cowboys’ line and Phillips has assigned a front seven defender to each one: Foley has the gap to Witten’s left; Godfrey the gap between Witten and Adams; Olshansky the LT/LG gap; Williams the LG/C gap; Edwards the C/RG gap; Leber the RG/RT gap and Cesare the gap outside RT.
And that’s if the linemen stay in their positions. The Chargers would sometimes give this look and then make a lot of last second shifts. Williams at NT would flop from being on the Center’s left shoulder to his right. The other linemen and linebackers would also change their alignments late.
Update: I want people to note that Phillips was already playing his nose tackle, in this case the 348 lb. Jamaal Williams on the shade. I continue to see discussion of moving Jay Ratliff outside, and mention that he plays on the shade because he's too light to two gap and clog the middle. Phillips wanted Williams to use quickness and power at the Chargers and he counts on Ratliff to do the same. Jay is about 40 lbs. lighter, but every bit as strong and even faster.
Rat is up to 303 lbs. these days, and uses his long arms and incredible punchout to gain an advantage off the snap. Given his power and speed, I wonder if the 298 lb. Sean Lissemore will get an early shot at the backup nose tackle role. He's at the same weight Ratliff carried when he entered the NFL. He's a priority viewing target at camp this summer.
One aspect of the linemen shading is that it allows the Chargers to stack their inside linebackers. This was especially beneficial to the 227 lb. Edwards, who is too small to handle the pounding he would take in Parcells’ system.
Furthermore, the Chargers do not play a passive front. The Chargers guys do a lot of slanting and looping, trying to shoot the gaps and get in the backfield.
Update: Phillips uses inside backer twists on occasion and they helped James get eight sacks in '08. Wade played it more straight up last year and the rush defense gave up almost 20 fewer yards per game, rising from 12th to 4th.
What we will see, at some point this coming season and certainly by 2011, is more running and stunting from the inside guys. Williams lists today at 246, just one pound less than James, but there's no comparison in speed. Williams ran a 4.49 at his pro day and explodes to the football. Lee, however slight he may be, is only six pounds lighter than Keith Brooking and a good ten heavier than Edwards, who used his quickness and instincts to post three straight 100-plus tackle seasons in the middle of the Phillips' 34.
The scheme offers some protection to the both inside backerers, and if they are good at engaging and shedding blocks, they will get plenty of action.
We're watching the final phases of the switch from the Tuna-gap 34 to the true Phillips 34, from the power 34 to the speed 34.
Meep-meep!
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Quality Post
I believe the most crucial pick is Kwasi and we should follow how quickly he is able to adapt to safety. I wonder how many projects in the NFL have successfully transitioned from collegiate corner to NFL quality safety….. Would be an interesting stat…. I also want to know if any of the 6’7 ginger twins we selected and/or signed will provide quality depth…
Darren Sharper was a CB/FS from William & Mary
there was some talk early in his career that he could play on the corner, but Ron Wolf took him at the bottom of the 2nd to play centerfield, and he did — and still does.
I hope AOA can as well
I’m wondering if they try him more at safety first? or more at corner? I think he would be able to get on the field quicker at safety than corner…
great post and analysis
Coaches are quoted already as stating he will be a safety first.
Thankfully taking the opposite approach than Pete Hunter. And, thankfully, Akwasi doesn’t have the same sense of entitlement as ‘ole Petey and he’s willing to play FS.
Hunter makes me shake my head
you wonder if he would still be playing if he had embraced the move to FS.
For all the talk about Bryant, it's Mr. AOA who could really be seen as the key in a couple of years
If the safety problems on this team could be filled w/ a young guy instead of another FA signing the D would really hit a Super Bowl level of play.
Stlii a worry for this year though….
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Apr 27, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
He makes me shake mine too.
I still wonder how our offense got shut down in that playoff game by a team with Pete Hunter as a starting corner.
by Mandmeisterx on Apr 27, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
As crazy as it seems since he washed out
I think he would have been a passable FS. He was at times a decent corner, but looked like a safety playing corner.
by I_miss_Switzer on Apr 27, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
great post Raf
Just proves that Lee’s size at 237 shouldn’t be a concern at all in Wade’s 3-4
In Romo we Trust
Not his size...
…so much as his injury history that seems the biggest concern. He’s a little slower than ideal (I’m sure the injuries to both knees didn’t help), and I’m a little concerned he skipped the senior bowl to avoid injury (though that probably also shows his intelligence).
I’m not a hater, just a worrier : ) – this kid seems as good as ANY ILB in this years draft IF he stays healthy.
by Left Coast Cowboy on Apr 27, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Lee isn't slow at all
He ran a 4.7 at the combine and a 4.5 at his pro day, thats pretty fast for an ILB at 237.
And I agree with your injury concerns and it’s really the only reason he was even available at pick 55 in the 2nd, he would have easily been a first rd pick if he would have remained healthy his entire career at PSU.
In Romo we Trust
Speed concern is widely reported...I'd love it to be wrong
Wade’s judgment that Sean was the #1 LB in the draft means a lot more to me than all of this…but I didn’t make up the speed concern
CBS Draft Scout
- Scouts do have some concerns with his pure speed and strength
- Pass defense: One of Lee’s pronounced weaknesses, he has a high back-pedal and only marginal depth in his pass drops due to questionable deep speed.
Draft Breakdown
- Doesn’t possess ideal speed. Range in coverage is limited. Not a sideline-to-sideline guy and can have trouble against speedy backs or receivers. Not a pass rusher.
Pennlive.com
Linebackers Sean Lee and Navorro Bowman, who ran 4.72 at the combine, said they ran 4.6s [at their Penn St. Pro Day], with Lee averaging closer to mid-4.6 and Bowman going 4.61.
by Left Coast Cowboy on Apr 28, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
even if he did run a 4.6, thats still pretty damn fast for a LB
You can count the LBs in the NFL who run under a 4.6 on one hand. So these scouting reports who say he doesn’t possess ideal speed clearly don’t know what the hell they’re talking about.
In Romo we Trust
I'm not sure he has the frame to carry more weight
but thats okay, Singletary wasn’t big and he’s a HOFer.
In Romo we Trust
It will be really interesting to watch the young ILB's
in training camp. Great post, Raf. Thanks for clearing up some questions about Wade’s defense.
"Everybody wants something but nobody wants to pay the price" - Michael Irvin
I hope there are a few packages where Brooking and Lee are both in the game.
Don’t know what they’d be, but I can imagine Lee will take Carp’s spot at least on goalline packages.
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on Apr 27, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I think Lee
will take Barbie’s spot on the team, let alone packages
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 27, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
That would be nice...
now wake up Becho!
No one is going to give up a pick, mainly because A) He sucks and B) everyone knows that there is a good chance Dallas will cut him anyways.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Apr 27, 2010 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions
what I read about lee was
he has problems in coverage and is more like brooking a 2 down LB. despite all the hate for carpenter he was a decent 3rd down LB covering RBs and TEs. he doesn’t make you go wow, but he was decent and did a good job.
I think the battle is between carpenter and hodge this year. if hodge shows that he has improved enough in pass coverage (which he showed a knack for before getting injured), he probably will take over carpenter’s spot since carp has reached his peak.
the LB spot is surely crowded, specially the MLB with
Brooking
James
Williams
Lee
Carpenter
Octavian
Hodge
by CowboysFanatic on Apr 28, 2010 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Lee is very good in coverage.
He has 3 career interceptions (2 more than Myron Rolle, I believe, whom many suggested we draft at safety) and at least 15 passes defensed. One of the scouting reports I saw said he needed to work on deeper drops in coverage because at Penn State he was only asked to take short drops due to the defensive scheme. He has the athleticism and ability to read offenses that should make him a very good coverage LB.
+1 the kid was an all state basketball player in high school
and was highly recruited as a basketball player by some big time D-1 colleges but his love was playing football. I think he’ll be able to cover backs and TEs like a blanket in the NFL.
In Romo we Trust
Great post...
We looked so close to elite last year that hearing that Wade is putting the final pieces in place makes me positively giddy.
I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.
Thorough breakdown, as usual, great stuff
Really intrigued at how Phillips will deploy the ILB’s this year. As you referenced, Brady had 8 sacks the year before last. Once (or if) Jason Williams gets comfortable at the position and acclimates pro level hand usage and pass rush moves, you could envision the guy being a monster.
Rafa
I can definitely see what you are talking about especially since the Cowboys have not attempted to draft any ILB in the mold Bradie James. I will try and catch a reply of one of the 2007 charger games to see it for myself.
My question is what would a prototypical SS and FS look like in a ‘Phillips 34’? Does Sensi fit the mold? Would Darren (Woodson Please) Sharper fill the roll at FS?
Woodson is a Hall of Famer!!!
Character guys
Regardless of how the media labeled Dez as a “faulty character” guy…. (which thankfully happened and he landed to us….I believe that we drafted all “quality character” guys who will continue the movement we started when we dumped T.O and the artist formerly known as Pacman. Lee seems to be a class act and a natural leader. I can’t wait for them to heal and hit the field.
I still believe we need more OL depth, but I do know we signed a plethora of undrafted players… We will see if we have found any diamonds in the rough..
AND what is with the constant talk of this kid Sicko… I heard we finally signed him.. Do we not have good depth with Marty B and Phillips?
by michael83emery on Apr 27, 2010 10:35 PM CDT reply actions
or maybe they just was competition in camp
nothing wrong with that. Could also be that they want some ‘motivation’ for Marty B.
or we may keep 4 TEs
if and only if the Beuhler wins the kicking job. its going to be a battle between the last CB/S spot and 4th TE spot. I think we keep a FB and need to for short term.
by CowboysFanatic on Apr 28, 2010 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Sean Lee
I recently graduated from Penn State and I can tell you that Sean Lee is a football player. He plays with passion, and has a lot more power to his game than one might think. To be honest, I’ve always thought Poslusny was the better player, but I’m far from a scout. Just offering my opinion. I do know that Lee will work his butt off on the field, and will put in more time in the film room than just about anyone. He was the leader of Penn State’s defense in 2008, and he was injured the whole season. To me, that says a lot. Add that to his on field production when healthy, and you potentially have a quality ILB who can be a leader/extension of the coach on the field.
Maybe the transition to the Phillips’ 34 really is complete. I’m one of many who have assumed a playmaking S(strong or free) was a MUST in order to complete the transition, but I don’t remember him having one while he was with the Chargers.
That being said
I am intrigued by Kwasi’s skill set at safety. The jump from D2 to the NFL is huge, but he seems to have the athletic ability. Maybe we dont need a playmaking S, but I damn sure want one! I’m hoping Kwasi turns into the players the coaches are envisioning.
??
I’ve seen this now two or three times in the threads. After you finish playing basic word association (kwasi, hmm, hey I got it, modo), perhaps you should consider asking whether AOA would enjoy a nickname an author once used as a pun to mean “almost the standard measure of a human person.” and the character was unfairly treated, of course, but ultimately he did murder someone (wait, now i’m confused – is it good or bad to nickname a football player after a murderer – hardcore or tasteless?).
I hope you're being sardonic...
because otherwise, you really, really need have a beer, cut down on your PC pills, and unclench your cheeks. Scottmaui is a great board member, and was just messing around…he certainly doesn’t deserve a kick in the marbles from you.
Not trying to make this personal, but chill out, please.
I have noticed a new resurgence in Cowboy hating in 2007, which can only mean one thing- We're back.
point taken - the tone was much too serious
my point was really “that would be a crappy nickname” and i should have just said that …
With Williams injured and hampered last year
But coming back strong, and if Lee can step in as some suspect, we could see a dramatic difference in this defense by season’s end. Once those guys get comfortable, it could really hamper a team’s ability to move the chains with the run. The real difference would come in the short passing game, however, as having two inside backers that can cover would take this defense to the next level. And as we all know, the next level is elite. I still have faith that we got some real players in the draft last year, and circumstances have just prevented us from seeing it yet.
When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.
okay, what I want to know is...
is a Phillips 34 a Phillips 76 without full serve?
and can we call an ILB twist a Phillips head screwdriver?
yes to both
even though i was lost are the …
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 27, 2010 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm praying that J. williams is able to do well in TC
I want to see him and Lee out there on 3rd downs, it will improve our LB coverage dramatically just by the added athletisicm
by nicholas.rodriguez on Apr 27, 2010 11:22 PM CDT reply actions
I'm glad someone set the record straight about the slang "two-gap" being thrown around loosely
It drove me crazy reading it’s misuse
Shading your nose and stacking also does wonders to zone blocking schemes.
Reading Raf's description of Phillips 34
it’s pretty clear that, if things had been a little different, and Dat Nguyen had been here when Phillips arrived rather than Parcells, he would have been the ILB poster boy. He got too banged up taking on those guards in Big Bill’s 34, but he would have been who everyone pointed to instead of Donnie Edwards.
never mind, just a little fantasizing.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
Might be worth a gamble at his size
Davis had the same things said about him as well
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/04/11/a-clue-to-why-jared-gaither-is-available/

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