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As a fellow Buckeye leaves the Cowboys, I cannot help but wonder why some fans blame him for his average career in Dallas.  After all, it is not as if Carpenter chose not to succeed: Bobby did not go JaMarcus Russell on the Cowboys.

 

Carpenter was a beast of an outside linebacker at The Ohio State University.  Bobby came from good stock, as his dad played for Bill Parcells in New York.  Linebackers have the highest success rate of any position in the first round of the NFL draft.  Parcells was coaching the Cowboys, Greg Ellis was making the difficult transition to outside linebacker in Parcells’ version of the 3-4, and was complaining (how odd…) about the position switch.

 

Carpenter was a pass rushing, play making stud in Columbus.  He would come off of the edge and terrorize backs of all shapes and sizes.  He could even drop into coverage and cause chaos there.  He beat the living daylights out of Vince Young in Texas’ championship year.

 

But Ohio State played a defensive line scheme very similar to that employed by Bill Parcells.  The linemen in Columbus were big, strong guys that were nothing more than “dancing elephants” (as Marcus Spears described his role in Parcells’ 3-4).  That permitted fast linebackers with a sense for the ball to penetrate without having to engage a tackle, guard, or center with any frequency.

 

Parcells drafted Bobby to play an outside linebacker spot in his 3-4, but Ellis, despite all of his complaining had other plans.  Greg had a very good season, and kept Carpenter on the bench.  Carpenter switched positions to inside linebacker during the season, and had his greatest game as a pro in the playoffs against Seattle.

 

Bill Parcells left that offseason, and with the arrival of the new Wade Phillips 3-4, Bobby became a true square peg trying to fit a round hole.  Carpenter was great at evading contact at Ohio State thanks to the defensive line interference.  In Phillips’ 3-4, the defensive linemen took on more of an attacking role.  Gone were the days of consistently having a 300 pound offensive lineman engaged by a 300 pound defensive lineman.

 

Now Carpenter is going to linebacker starved St. Louis, to play with fellow Buckeye great, James Laurinaitis.  Bobby finds himself in a 4-3 defense again, but Spagnuolo made his mark in the NFL running an attacking style defensive line that disrupts pockets and backfields.

 

The switch to the 4-3 alignment may be enough to get Carpenter’s career back on track, but the attacking style defensive line may negate that advantage.  I would not be surprised, however, if Bobby has a career season and accumulates more sacks than anyone on that defense.  After all, that is what made him a first round pick coming out of Columbus.

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I liked it so much, I posted it twice!

If someone could eliminate the duplicate post, I would appreciate it.

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by ScarletO on May 10, 2010 8:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Click on the Manage Fanposts link up at the top right

From there you can delete it

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on May 10, 2010 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

A career year!?

So that would be what, THREE sacks and a couple of dozen tackles? :-) I liked him coming out of college as a lot of people did, but let’s face it, he never lived up to his billing, and he DID have several chances to make a name for himself. It just never happened for him. As for the GREAT Ohio State LB’s, it hasn’t really been the case for quite a while now. Who was the last really great OSU LB? Hawk? He’s pretty good, but not great, and seems to have regressed since his rookie year? Laurinaitas might turn out OK, but I always got the impression he was kinda soft in college. I could be wrong on that, it was just an impression I had. He seemed to prefer to run around poeple. Time will tell.

by John Boy on May 10, 2010 8:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, inherited his father's genes and possessing a HB's mentality

seeking to avoid collisions rather than cause them. Not the makeup you want in any LB, much less a 3-4 asked to engage offensive lineman and shed blockers.

by ddthinks on May 10, 2010 8:46 PM CDT reply actions  

as a starter.....

 considering stl doesnt have anyone at his position to challenge him, and bein that he will come in and start im sure, then he cant help but have a better statistical year, he couldnt break the starting line up here and in my estimation from jus watchin em play, i also felt he moved to the ball late and was a bit soft on tacklin ball carriers.

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on May 10, 2010 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is the problem....

While I think that Carpenter’s strength probably is pass rushing, pass rushing is a very small part of what a 4-3 LB does.

I thought him and AJ Hawk, might have been part of the best LB tandems I’d ever seen, but after seeing AJ Hawk struggle as well, I’m wondering if both were really good… but neither was great.

Perhaps they fed off of each other, as well as a good d line.

I just think Carpenter is a liability against the run, a decent but not great cover lb, and there is nothing special about his game.

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 10, 2010 11:18 PM CDT reply actions  

nailed it !

so ! barbie are you the nail… or the one who hammers it! ? barbie,,, well im a lil bent atm from the recent blows…and the coaches jus dropped the hammer out of frustration…..but..but in my defense .. there was a knot……..namely , brookins lol

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on May 11, 2010 12:11 AM CDT reply actions  

we give Carpenter a hard time and no one is too sad to see him go, but I give him credit for always doing whatever was asked of him, being a positive guy, playing hard, saying the right things and not complaining about the situation despite being a poor fit and opportunity for him. I hope he can resurrect himself in St. Louis and have a good season/career.

by scottmaui on May 11, 2010 6:04 AM CDT reply actions  

Chad Greenway

Chad Greenway (17) was picked one spot ahead of Bobby Carpenter (18) in the 2006 Draft. They have similar builds, play a similar game, came from Big 10 programs, and were considered day one starting (three down) linebacker prospects as they entered the NFL. Greenway went to a 4-3 and has had the benefit of the Williams Wall in front of him ever since he returned from his medical redshirt year (2006). Carpenter will now play for a less talented (compared to DAL or MIN) 4-3 team. He’ll be a starter by default for at least this season. Moreover, he’s going to an inferior team that is likely to be on the field longer as they play from behind. I’d be surprised if Carp doesn’t but up Greenway type numbers this year.

by BATTMANN on May 11, 2010 9:05 AM CDT reply actions  

I think we all wish Carpenter

the best.He will be on a team that wants him and if he doesnt do well it’s on him.

Carpenter was considered to be a reach on draft and that he was Parcells pet cat.

My guess is that the coaches felt that there was more up side to the young LBs and this team needed some insurance at the OT position.

Bobby didn’t play badly last year but we never saw the progress and performance expected of a first round draft choice.

by TCB Orange Dino on May 11, 2010 6:35 PM CDT reply actions  

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