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Sunday Poll: Who Can Cure the Cowboys' Field Goal Woes?

One of the weakest positions on the Cowboys' 2009 squad was at placekicker. A bad case of the yips forced Dallas to say good-bye to former Pro Bowl kicker Nick Folk in December. And then the same ills affected his replacement, Shaun Suisham. The team neglected to re-sign him after the season's end.

The Browns recently waived former Alabama kicker Leigh Tiffin and signed Suisham. Another kicker of name to come out of college this year was Texas' Hunter Lawrence, who signed with the Buccaneers after the draft.

Dallas had their chance to draft either one of those guys in April, but seems content with David Buehler. His progress has been steady, and he has been learning what he can from kicking coach Chris Boniol to be a more fundamentally sound placekicker.

Buehler described his own talent as "raw," since he didn't start kicking until his senior year in high school and didn't have a kicking coach at the University of Southern California. Even without individual instruction, Buehler was fairly successful at USC. He made 78.8 percent of his field goals during two seasons as a starter, and was an All-Pac 10 first-team choice in 2008.

Star-divide

Buehler will continue to practice both kicking off and placekicking. His other roles on special teams could be reduced if he wins the placekicking job. Sure would be nice to save a roster spot if the team can count on Buehler.

This month's Organized Team Activities will allow Buehler to practice with an offensive and defensive line for the first time since he began working with Boniol, although the defense will not rush him.

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Buehler said he wants to break his own franchise record for touchbacks this season, but he doesn't like to set goals when it comes to field goals.

"Obviously, I'd like to make all of them," Buehler said. "Chris always talks about 'go one for one.' See every kick as an individual kick, and go from there. That's kind of my mindset right now."

Tutelage from former Cowboys' kicking coach, Steve Hoffman, helped Boniol tremendously. Now, he wants to pass on all he has learned.

"Once you get to that level as a player there's not much new technique," Boniol said. "There's always something you can study and learn from but I think where Hoff helped me a lot is just having someone in your corner that encourages you and somebody who can help you on the day to day stuff: how to do it on the field, in the weight room, in the locker room. You get a young player that doesn't know how to be a professional and there's a lot to learn, especially in an organization like the Cowboys."

By the way, if anybody else wants to try out, brush up first at the Chris Boniol Kicking Camp The soccer style kicking development camp runs from June 12-16.

Buehler's main competition so far comes from Connor Hughes. Hughes knows that he has a lot to prove if he plans on winning over the Cowboys.

"Obviously, I want to make it. I'm not here to try and out-kick Buehler by any means. He's a special kid. He's a linebacker [type] that kicks the football on kickoffs. I'm just here to make field goals. I want to compete, kick the ball well and make it a real [hard] decision for the coaches."

Kicker/punter Delbert Alvarado was signed as a UDFA out of South Florida after the draft. Having his versatility in practice gives the Cowboys another leg in case one of the kickers has a hammy issue, like Hughes has had.

At the rookie camp, Hughes was limited because he's rehabbing from a left hamstring injury.

"It's a little strain in my plant leg," Hughes said. "But that's pretty much gone. It's just about me getting back out there and getting through the motions and shaking it out a bit."

Said Cowboys kicking consultant Chris Boniol: "Right now, we're just trying to get him healthy. We know he's a good kicker, but until he gets completely healthy, there's not much that we can tell. The injury affects distance more than accuracy. It has some effect, but on the kicks he's made, he's done pretty good."

Hughes hasn't yet stuck with an NFL team, but he did have a rather productive college career.

Hughes set Virginia records in points (332), field goals made (66), attempted (79), extra points made (134) and extra points attempted (138). His 83.5 percent accuracy rate on field goals was second in school history.

He spent training camp with New Orleans in 2006 and was with Pittsburgh in 2007. He kicked in the Arena Football League for Philadelphia in 2008.

With the way Nick Folk has performed during New York's OTAs, it sounds as if the Cowboys made the right choice in releasing him.

It's too soon to say the Jets have a kicking crisis, but Rex Ryan admitted he's concerned. Former Cowboys PK Nick Folk, whom they're counting on to replace Jay Feely (Cards), was brutal. At one point, he missed three straight from about 40 yards.

Said Ryan: "Yeah, it concerns me. We'd all feel a lot better if they decided to make a few." Folk, of course, was run out of Dallas last season because he imploded late in the season. That Feely decision could backfire on the Jets in a big way.

A BTB hat tip to Leon for the FanShot.

So, who else is out there? Scout.com ranks their top 13 free agent kickers for this offseason. Only Shayne Graham and 20-year vets Matt Stover and John Carney are still available.

The most interesting name may be Graham. In '09 Graham hit 23 of 28 field goals with a long of 53. Last offseason the Bengals placed their franchise tag on him. It seems the team soured on Graham after he missed a couple of field goals in their 24-14 playoff loss to the Jets.

Graham's kicks in particular ended any hopes of a Bengals rally. He missed two fairly routine field goal attempts of 42 and 28 yards in the second half that kept the game out of reach.

Cincinnati is content with moving on from the 8-year vet to instead stage a kicking duel between Mike Nugent and Dave Rayner.

As for Carney, well--he's about seven years Boniol's senior and may elect to retire or coach.

Kicker John Carney started the 2009 season as the Saints kicker and ended it as the Saints' kicking coach. The team called on him after starter Garrett Hartley was busted for violating the NFL's substance-abuse program and suspended for four games.

He made 13 of 17 field goals and 50 of 52 extra points but was ultimately replaced by Hartley after 11 games. After 21 years in the NFL, Carney might retire now that he's won a Super Bowl with the Saints.

Todd Archer points towards Indianapolis. Stover is a decent emergency option, but what if Adam Vinatieri happens to get cut?

He might be vulnerable in Indianapolis because of age, price and roster flexibility.

Some of those concerns would be the same with the Cowboys, except price. He is scheduled to make $2 million this year for the Colts. He would have to take significantly less if he were to signed by another team if he is cut. He has kicked in big games and made some of the biggest kicks in the NFL in recent memory. He was 7-of-9 last year but missed a ton of time with a knee injury that kept Stover active during Indy's playoff run.

Vinatieri recently participated in the Colts' voluntary mini-camp though.

Vinatieri also said he was healthier after undergoing surgery on his kicking knee last fall. The best clutch kicker in league history made a brief late-season appearance after the injury, then was replaced in the playoffs by veteran Matt Stover.

It is almost sickening to know the Cowboys made just 20 of 31 field goals last year. And they hit less than 50% between 40-49! What's up with that?

Pickings are slim, which is why the Cowboys can afford to wait and see how Buehler develops. But if you know something about Hughes, vote for him. Is Graham too much of a choke artist for the Cowboys to even bring in for a workout? What about the graybeards, Stover and Carney? How about bringing in a youngster like Tiffin?

Oh, how the Nick Folk-of-old had us spoiled. Now, it's back to the drawing board for a new, hopefully consistent field goal remedy.

Poll
The Cowboys' best option at placekicker would be to...
Stick with David Buehler
1061 votes
Go with Connor Hughes
46 votes
Sign Shayne Graham
146 votes
Sign Matt Stover
200 votes
Sign John Carney
39 votes
Sign Leigh Tiffin
47 votes
Pray that the Colts cut Vinatieri
249 votes

1788 votes | Poll has closed

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Why does no one ever mention Louie Sakoda???

Dude was the top Kicker prospect in the ’09 Draft but for some unknown reason was never drafted. He is from the University of Utah and I personally watched him destroy records in his time there. He is playing for the Saskatchewan Roughriders of the CFL right now but I would love to see the ’Boys at least bring him in for a workout. I would put my BTB membership on the line for him to get a chance.

For The Love!!

by wheatie_87 on May 23, 2010 3:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Also...

This was my first comment on here although I have been a member of BTB for a year and a half and check up on the posts almost daily. I hope to become more involved and share my opinion. I hope y’all can accept me…

For The Love!!

by wheatie_87 on May 23, 2010 3:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

been there

you’re good. it’s a pretty accepting group. I’d be interested to know a little more about that kicker. how was his distance? I’d bet that’s his problem. You’ve gotta be able to kick the heck out of the ball at this level.

by speedmetal on May 23, 2010 8:08 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Dude...

Sakoda was used as a punter last year, so he couldn’t even win a PK job in the CFL. What yr. did you graduate from UoU?

Oh, and good to have you out in the open here! Just a little tough love/trash talk…hope you don’t offense :-)

by Left Coast Cowboy on May 23, 2010 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I did not graduate from the U of U

…you assuming that is equivalent to a swift kick to the groin to me. I am at BYU which is the U of U’s biggest rival. I just saw him as Mountain West opponent but I have respect for him.

And yes I realize that he isnt/hasnt done jack squat so far in the CFL but I guess I am still appalled that though he was projected as the #2 kicker in the ‘09 NFL Draft he wasn’t picked. Maybe there is something that I am not realizing though…

For The Love!!

by wheatie_87 on May 23, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just bustin' yer chops a little

Was he even brought into any NFL camps last yr. as an UDFA? Saw your write-up below, and I’m surprised too if he wasn’t even given a chance to compete for a spot.

by Left Coast Cowboy on May 23, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

No offense taken

I’m just happy to start being a more active part of the BTB community. Im glad for the
feedback on this issue.

For The Love!!

by wheatie_87 on May 23, 2010 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I heard it was okay to date multiple girls at the UoU

…and the chicks never got mad about it.

:-)

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on May 23, 2010 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

wait a minute

no one discovered until now that he didn’t have a kicking coach at USC?

for some reason, that makes me feel great about his prospects of improving his accuracy. kicking is all mental, and a guy that is used to being a real football player should certainly have better mental makeup than these scatterbrained all-my-life kickers.

I predict a pro bowl year for the kid now- don’t think his kickoffs will suffer either (although his leg seemed to wear down just a little at the end of last season). another year of NFL strength and conditioning will do the trick

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by KD Drummond on May 23, 2010 7:54 AM CDT reply actions  

not so fast

He’s practicing twice a week. It’s going to take time for him to learn the skill and even more time to become consistent. And that’s assuming that he has the right stuff to begin with – though he’s one of the last people I’d doubt.

He won’t be of any great value until he becomes consistent and I don’t see that happening in 4 months. Maybe 8 months and just in time for the playoffs :)

by speedmetal on May 23, 2010 8:16 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

i voted pray for Vinatieri

I think Buehler will do great – in 2011. I was shocked they weren’t doing this last offseason so he’d be ready to go if needed. Seemed like a major oversight, and now it’s clear that it was.

by speedmetal on May 23, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

What do you base your timeline on?

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 23, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

only life experience

not actual football knowledge. I just know it takes time to become good at things and even more time to become consistent.

by speedmetal on May 23, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

The recent book "Outliers" talks about 10,000 hours (7+ years) to begin to master something ...

Whether it be a musical instrument, playing a sport or trading stocks, the “mastery curve” for each will be different according to the talent and circumstances for each person. Kicking a ball through the uprights sounds simple enough, but probably takes years to perfect.

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by DalaiLuke on May 24, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who said he's practicing twice a week?

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by Brandon Worley on May 23, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

source:

David Buehler is the kicker. Should the Cowboys worry?

Now, Boniol has Buehler kicking twice a week at Valley Ranch to get ready for the task at hand.

“When I came here I progressed in leaps and bounds from where I started,” Buehler said. “I’m lucky to have him as a coach. He’s got me on the right track and I’m confident in my kicking and I’m kicking twice a week right now.”

by speedmetal on May 23, 2010 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

156 votes and 4 comments?

Everyone letting the toggle speak volumes, eh?

I’m with you KDP, but I’m not predicting anything. I do favor seeing if Boniol can coach up Buehler to where he’s anywhere near his college accuracy. Reliability will come with experience, but I’m all for saving a roster spot.

"We'll see." --Bill Parcells

by Uncle Angus on May 23, 2010 8:07 AM CDT reply actions  

Good post and I think

Buehler’s gonna be fine. I think the Boys feel the same way and that’s why they’ve only brought in Connor for competition. I do wish that Parcells had not let Steve Hoffman go, though. I always felt like Hoff had a gift for teaching kicking and we never had to worry about that aspect of the team while he was here. One of the few “big” mistakes that Parcells and his ego made.

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by CapnComebackII on May 23, 2010 8:10 AM CDT reply actions  

+1,000

One of Parcell’s worst moves. Our kicking problems started with the release of Hoffman. And, with the exception of Folk’s great year, we have never recovered. The release of Hoffman also led to Vangerjacht – probably the worst blunder of the Parcells regime.

I remember reading about his kicking problems in Training Camp and everybody on the blog saying “It’s just training camp. He’ll be fine. He’s the most accurate kicker of all time”. Then Preseason came, same problems… Then the regular season… and it got worse. By that time it was too late to get anybody but Larry Allen’s mentee.

by JimmyJohnson on May 23, 2010 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hoffman brought OK kicking to the cowboys

on the cheap.

He found guys off the street, none of whom were really good, who were paid minimum amounts to kick at a level that ranked in the bottom half of NFL performance.

Guys like tim seder, who was a high school teach if I recall, were NEVER THAT GOOD.

I dont have the stats, but I would like to compare all of Hoffman’s products with what Folk did last year. i bet the numbers weren’t that far different.

folk, I think, simply lost his confidence. I did not expect this to happen. He seemed to me to have ice in his veins, but the drafting of Buehler and his injury seemed to really get inside his head. it was downhill from there.

As to hoffman, i’ll keep Joe D thanks very much.

by THEjarhead on May 23, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wrong

Folk kicked 64.3% last year. Over 16 years, Hoffman had 10 different kickers and their average FG% was 79.1%. Sure, that’s not the top of the league. But it is a huge improvement over everything we have had since (with the exception of Folk’s 2 good years).

Not only that, but McBriar credits his hang time to Hoffman’s coaching.

by JimmyJohnson on May 23, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Folk is a 79%

kicker in his career stats, despite last year.

And if you’re suggesting that folk would not have melted down under hoffman, i point to years where other hoffman projects took a nose dive, tim seder was below 65% one year under hoffman’s tutoring.

richie cunningham took a bad tumble under hoffman, to the point he was cut.

billy cundiff essentially had one year in his career where he hit 79%.

This is not to suggest that hoffman is a bad coach, but he is not the end all, be all, of kicking coaches out there, and dallas never was consistantly a great kicking/puniting team with him calling the shots.
Yet fans lament the day he was fired as one of the worst in our history. i dont think thats the case.

by THEjarhead on May 23, 2010 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed that kickers lose it

But, under Hoffman, we were always able to cut ties with a kicker, bring in a no-name, and get average – to – slightly above average performance. We had a new kicker every year or two under Hoffman for just that reason.

When Folk was terrible last year, it would have been nice to know we could easily replace him. Instead we had to go with equally unsteady Suisham.

It seems like there are 32 teams and only about 27-28 NFL-caliber kickers in a given season. You either have to get one of the 27, or develop one. I don’t think it was always that way… There used to be a Zendejas brother waiting in the wings for his shot at the NFL. But for some reason, there just don’t seem to be as many quality kickers to go around.

by JimmyJohnson on May 23, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly, JJ

They never waited too long to find a new kicker because Hoffman was able to do what he did so many times.

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on May 23, 2010 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Does Hoffman currently have a job?

I thought he did a good job but the more time passes the more he takes on mythical qualities.

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on May 24, 2010 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's the ST coach in KC.

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on May 24, 2010 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

He's a Succop

(somebody had to say it).

Hoffman is the best kicking coach in the league. But I doubt that translates into being a quality ST coach. Sort of a Peter Principle situation.

by JimmyJohnson on May 24, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wrong

Not only did Hoffman find Succop (who could’ve been Dallas’ kicker if Hoffman were here), he apparently got a lousy team to play ST for him in KC. Chiefs finished in the top 10 on ST in most categories…more than you can say for the Chiefs defense and offense (bottom 5 on both). So actually, being a good “kicking coach” may not make you a good ST coach but in this case, it’s moot b/c Steve Hoffman is both.

by teamsjunkie on May 28, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ryan Succop

Last year’s Mr. Irrelevant, had the kind of year every rookie kicker dreams about.

Another superfluous performance out of the one and only Steve Hoffman.

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on May 24, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Shouldn't put all our eggs in Buehler's basket

It would be fantastic to eliminate the extra roster spot we waste on a kicker. But we should have taken a decent kicker to camp to compete. Based on all of last year’s feedback, Buehler was nowhere near NFL field goal kicker level last year. Can a rookie kicking coach coach him up? Maybe. But we have no idea if he is capable of any kind of control. His Senior year in college he made 69% of his field goals. He was terrible outside of 40 yards – where NFL kickers are supposed to be consistent.

If Buehler doesn’t work out, the pickings will be slim for a decent field goal kicker on the street – as the Jets already know.

by JimmyJohnson on May 23, 2010 8:52 AM CDT reply actions  

There are still plenty of FG kickers out there....

and will be in the preseason if he does bad.

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 23, 2010 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

From what I understood....

Buehler was never asked to really compete on field goals. Folk had that job locked up, and Buehler was asked to focus on kickoffs and punt coverage units.

Now, he’s going into camp with an entire offseason of training for field goals, training with one of the best kickers the Cowboys have had and a guy who studied under Steve Hoffman. If we can’t have Hoffman, then Boniol is about the next best thing.

I might have been interested in Taylor Lawrence coming in, but I just don’t think I’m a big fan of using two roster spots for kickers. And there is no doubting how important Buehler was last year with his kickoff ability.

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by Brandon Worley on May 23, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

At first I read that as "Lawrence Taylor"

I thought man what is B-dog talking about?

“Hey Dave, this a cool fact – no matter when they were born, they all look like they’re 18 when you’re coked out of your head! I swear, it’s freakin wierd, but it’s true”

FREE THE OGLETREE!!!

by dunkman on May 23, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm guessing that's an LT line.

My, how the mighty have fallen. From terror on the field, to punchline in retirement.

“Hey dawg, bring me one of those teeny-bopper hookers you so good at!”

“Well, Mr. Taylor, I can beat one into submission, and drag her up to your room, but that’s going to be extra.”

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by White Wolf on May 23, 2010 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

There will be plenty of kickers available AFTER training camp.

Right now, most teams have at least 2 kickers in camp, but they will cut down to one when the season starts. Some unspectacular but solid veterans will lose their jobs to younger, cheaper guys. If Bueller doesn’t pan out, we’ll have a lot more options in late August or early September than we do now.

by Yoko Romo on May 23, 2010 2:11 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think Buehler will win the job

Boniol seems like he’ll be a good coach and be there to watch Buehler’s technique just like a swing coach keeps an eye on a golfer’s swing.

Unless he really sucks in pre season, Cowboys want to svae a roster spot and go with the big guy.

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by Terry on May 23, 2010 9:03 AM CDT reply actions  

I think Dallas has to go into camp with a veteran

Like Graham or Carney. The roster spot issue is overrated. I don’t recall a single game last year where it put Dallas at a disadvantage.

by Tex34 on May 23, 2010 9:28 AM CDT reply actions  

It's more about young prospects than game day.

You can only take 45 to the game anyway, I think, and some of those are guys you hope never make it onto the field, like backup OL and QB. That’s why Proctor was always more valuable than his play suggested, because he could back up 3 spots instead of bringing a backup center and a backup guard.

Where it would be most beneficial is the ability to have one more developmental guy on the roster without risking losing him from the practice squad. Having Buehler win the kicking job enables a spot for a guy like Titus Ryan or Sicko.

by Baked Potato Soup on May 23, 2010 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on May 24, 2010 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not Carney

Kickers seem to really tail off in terms of performance once they hit a certain age/mileage.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on May 24, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

really? I thought you liked to stick to facts :)

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by DalaiLuke on May 24, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Here's the deal...

No one has seen Buehler kick this year, not since Boniol starting working with him.

Not. A. Single. Person. (other than the Cowboys, of course)

That will change tomorrow, when the media gets a look.

Forget the Vanderjack issue: I really, really doubt the Cowboys would be comfortable going into the summer without feeling positive about the kicking situation. There are just too many options out there they could go with if they weren’t, yet here we sit: it’s Buehler and Hughes and unless Buehler starts tanking that’s going to be the case.

If Buehler does struggle, I can guarantee the Cowboys won’t hesitate to make a move.

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by Brandon Worley on May 23, 2010 9:34 AM CDT reply actions  

This is how I see it too.

They are at lest encouraged at this point or they’d have a veteran kicker in right now.

FREE THE OGLETREE!!!

by dunkman on May 23, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

+10000000

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 23, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

I do not know if the FO will stick with buehler or bring in a veteran or two to compete. But I do trust Coach Joe

and I know he is not going to go into the season without a solid FG kicker, whether that is buehler or someone else.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on May 23, 2010 10:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Buehler isn't the answer

Let’s see how the competition in Houston goes.

Whoever loses that duel would be an immediate upgrade over DB.

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by 5Blings on May 23, 2010 10:41 AM CDT reply actions  

I'd like to at least see how he kicks...

Before we claim he isn’t the answer.

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by Brandon Worley on May 23, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.

by aussie_cowboy on May 23, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Brandon, allow me to introduce you to 5Blings ... :)

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by DalaiLuke on May 23, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

I saw him kick in warm ups against Seattle and San Diego...

EEEESH!

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on May 23, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

dude that was last season

I think having a kicking coach will make all the difference in the world

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by Terry on May 23, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

He was the same guy I saw at USC

If all it took was a kicking coach, why are there so many kickers who fail?

Were those teams setting their kickers up for failure by not having the legendary Chris Boniol coaching them?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on May 24, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's a good point.

Kickers really don’t have to have coaches, as they can practice everyday if they choose so. I wonder if NFL kickers have a set of crossbars in their backyards? I would.

Anyways, when you saw Buehler kicking at USC, was he a soccer style guy? Hiring Boniol as a coach/consultant would make more sense if he was.

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on May 24, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't recall...I'm a Bruin Alumnus and spent my time straining my vocal chords getting him to miss

truth is, when I saw him trotting onto the field and the offensive juggernaut that is USC leaving, I was a happy camper.

Do you think they are overhauling his technique entirely?

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- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on May 24, 2010 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

And BTW

YOU were the one telling me and everyone else on this blog last year that Folk would be fine after I said his injury was not one that was easily recovered from.

Do you recall those statements of yours that proved to be wrong?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on May 24, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

I predict you will get radio silence in response to this

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by Seanrude on May 24, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

From someone who likes to use facts.

You’re basing that off of no information one way or another. I agree with Brandon, lets wait and see how he looks before assumptions.

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 23, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Um, no, but thanks for trying...

I live in So. Cal, have been to and seen many a USC game and I can tell you, he’s pretty much a big leg with not a lot of control.

People are comparing Chris Boniol’s ability to coach up a kicker to Steve Hoffman and yet, there are no FACTS to support that. Hoffman worked magic with complete unknowns on multiple occasions. Boniol hasn’t done it once.

Why don’t you go dig into that assumption a bit?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on May 23, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dammit, you might be right

None of us really know what Buehler is capable of, but I think we can all agree that it is a big risk to rely on him when we have a championship-quality roster everywhere else.

by East Bay Ray on May 24, 2010 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

you don't know that blings

Buehler very well could be our FG this season and for years to come.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 23, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anything is possible

But the best predictor of future success is previous success.

I…am…just…sayin’.

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on May 24, 2010 9:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hope you are wrong

But I fear you might be right

by 082288 on May 24, 2010 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Buehler's success at USC

isn’t any worse than the Cowboys kickers over the past several years.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on May 25, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Aaron .. you need one more option for the poll

SCORE MORE TOUCHDOWNS!!

…. twil take care of everything

by spadesking131313 on May 23, 2010 10:43 AM CDT reply actions  

save the extra roster spot, try Buehler

My sense is that of course getting a reliable kicker is the #1 priority, but all else being equal, they’d much prefer not to have to spend an extra roster spot on it again. As we found out from Folk, it’s hard to predict kicker reliability. I just don’t know that we’re going to find anyone out there who we can be too sure will do a better job than Buehler will, after his offseason training with Boniol. And to spend a valuable extra roster spot on it, we’ve got to be pretty damn sure that he’s going to be significantly better than Buehler would be. Last season we thought it would be worth it because of who Folk was before, but then he tanked and ended up being the worst kicker in the league. So we just don’t know. I think we’ve got to at least give Buehler every chance, and unless he looks absolutely horrible through camp, we roll with him to at least start the season.

by scottmaui on May 23, 2010 11:31 AM CDT reply actions  

I love the Cowboys

it’s great when we care so much about a kicker in May ….. can’t wait for Sept!!!

by Dub_TC on May 23, 2010 12:36 PM CDT reply actions  

Would be a shame if Buehler can't do it

It’s all well and good about his fast 40 yard dash time, his bench pressing strength and his booming kickoffs, but it’s not really too much to expect that a kicker you draft in the 5th round can kick FGs, is it? It’s time to apply his talent to that specific need we have.

And, I’m still puzzled by what happened to Folk. I thought he had that position locked down for us for the foreseeable future before last year’s meltdown.

by East Bay Ray on May 23, 2010 12:46 PM CDT reply actions  

I would like to see Buehler compete with Shayne Graham or Matt Stover in training camp.

If the veteran wins the battle then we go with the 2-kicker roster that we went with last year. If Buehler wins the job then we can use that extra roster spot for a developmental player, and we would know that he really can kick field goals at an NFL level. No matter who the veteran is, I like the idea of a best man wins competition more than simply giving the job to Buehler.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on May 23, 2010 1:18 PM CDT reply actions  

Why do you need to see Graham or Stover NOW?

We know what they can do. They have nothing to prove by being at camp. It is no different kicking for the Cowboys as it is kicking for another team. If Beuller can’t do it, sign ‘em up on Monday of Week 1 and they’ll be ready to go by Sunday.

by Yoko Romo on May 23, 2010 2:17 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

That is fair enough.

However, I would still at least like to see the vet in camp for a little while. There are no guarantees in the kicking game, and I would particularly want to make sure Graham didn’t have any care over from his miserable end to the season. The other thing to keep in mind is that I think it would be useful to get the guy before some other team (like the Jets) realizes that their own FG kicker can’t cut it.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on May 23, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Because the decent vets will all get jobs by the time Dallas can get a good read on Buehler

Why not have the best possible players competing for every position?

Isn’t that what Wade was chirping about in his news conference?

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on May 23, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

GOTTA HOPE BUEHLER IS THE MAN

Since it appears the boys are going to do nothing else until and unless Buehler proves to not be the answer, lets hope he is. Unfortunately, by the time the boys realize he is not the answer, guys like Graham and Stover may no longer be available. They are really rolling the dice here.

by hayyabbott on May 23, 2010 1:22 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't know very much about kicking

What are the chances that moulding DB into a better FG kicker hurts his kickoff prowess?

by Satch30 on May 23, 2010 3:07 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

That's probably the million dollar question.

He excels in one area, and has to develop the other. Certainly there could be some dilution in the kickoff game, which would suck because I loved watching him boom those returners back.

But, if they take some of his punt coverage and field-goal-blocking-unit duties away from him, he should always be fresh. At least, for him, he can still cover his own kickoffs. I’m going to assume that he won’t want to be removed from the punt block/coverage teams either.

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on May 23, 2010 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good question

I wonder the same thing, and thought I had heard last year that he wasn’t getting any FG work at all, as the coaching staff asked him to focus solely on kickoffs. Is it like the difference between swinging a golf club and a baseball bat?

by East Bay Ray on May 23, 2010 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

we're gonna be alright!

one thing DB proved, imo last year is that he’s a competitor…any kicker who is aggressive and competitive enough to WANT to run down on the punt team to make a tackle, is deserving of an opportunity to kick FG’s w/o any flack from me

by p-cola-DC-Fan on May 23, 2010 4:55 PM CDT reply actions  

Details on Louie Sakoda

Ok, so it looks like the biggest knock on Sakoda is his height. He is only 5 ft 9 in. In three years as the kicker he made 57-66 FGs (86.4%) with a long of 53 yds against Michigan in the 2008 season. 18-23 from 40-49 yards and 3-6 from 50+ yards. Over four years as the punter he had 242 punts for 10,188 yds (42.1 yds/punt). He also made 137-140 XPM during which he made 56 consecutive extra points on two different occasions in his career. The only unanimous Consensus All-American in Utah football history, he was a 2008 first-team place-kicker by all five of the organizations that vote on the consensus team: Associated Press, American Football Coaches Association (AFCA), Football Writers Association (FWAA), Walter Camp and Sporting News.

Sakoda is currently a member of the Saskatchewan Roughriders of the CFL but hasnt played much there. I still think that he is worth a shot in contacting if the Cowboys are really serious about finding a Kicker. I have faith in David Buehler though I would just like to see the Cowboys have some consistency in the kicking game that we haven’t enjoyed in the recent past.

For The Love!!

by wheatie_87 on May 23, 2010 5:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Chat about faith ad

I guess they know how die-hard Cowboys fans really are!

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on May 23, 2010 7:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Hmm. This just ocurred to me...

What if Boniol is secretly sabotaging Buehler so he can

MAKE HIS COMEBACK????

FREE THE OGLETREE!!!

by dunkman on May 23, 2010 8:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Now THAT is believable...

Not that Boniol would be much worse.

In fact…

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on May 23, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

Septien

Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly

by DalaiLuke on May 24, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh no you didn't!!!

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on May 24, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on May 24, 2010 9:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is getting worser and worser

"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."

- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

by 5Blings on May 24, 2010 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Damn.

That should’ve been a poll option.

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on May 24, 2010 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL ... nice pic ... but doesn't really compare to O.Cool's cheerleaders :)

Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly

by DalaiLuke on May 24, 2010 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Should be noted

that Leigh Tiffen was not cut, he was waived/injured and has since cleared waivers and is on the Browns Injured Reserve list. Most likely will be stored on IR for the 2010 season. Not sure exactly what his injury is at this time.

by textaz03 on May 24, 2010 7:29 AM CDT reply actions  

Ah. Good to know. Thanks.

Must be something pretty bad.

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on May 24, 2010 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

3rd and 4th places

I’m surprised to see more voters choosing Stover over Graham. I thought Graham would even be in second place to Buehler.

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on May 24, 2010 9:21 AM CDT reply actions  

No love for Sandro DeAngelis of the CFL?

by dleung17 on May 24, 2010 10:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Not looking too good in OTAs today.

Buehler missed 2 of 4 so far. Both misses were from around the 30s—one to the left, one to the right.

Hughes missed his only shot.

Great.

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on May 24, 2010 11:30 AM CDT reply actions  

Is this an over rated problem?

I don’t recall missed field goals being a factor in any of our losses last year. Even if we had made all of our field goals, our scoring wouldn’t have matched our yardage. I think the biggest keys to taking it to the next level are generating defensive turnovers and the success of Free. All provided that the other starters either improve or don’t decline.

by Baked Potato Soup on May 24, 2010 12:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Missed FG's affect momentum, field position and play calling.

It’s a real kick in the ’nads to go into halftime down by 10 points instead of 7 because you just missed a FG. The same goes for making a decent drive from your 10 yard line only to stall at the opposing 20 yard line and then miss a FG to top it all off.

Then it gives your opponent nice starting field position to come back at you. That just another kick to the ’nads.

Garrett has a tendency to get away from the running game early if we aren’t leading or within a TD. That missed FG (or two) could be the difference. We get away from our running game early and it’s that much harder as the game goes on.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on May 24, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tater, you can't measure the value of field goals on a few games or even one season.

On that theory, kickers don’t matter at all … look at all the teams that won the SB in blow-outs.

Then ask the losers of the close superbowls if they matter.

Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly

by DalaiLuke on May 24, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not talking about never making a field goal.

I just think in the grand scheme of things, 8 more field goals wasn’t really the problem with this offense, as we still would have lost the games that we lost and won the games that we won.

The bigger issue, imo, is how to get the ball from the 35 to the red zone. Would those points have been nice? Sure, but we still would have been underachieving for the amount of yards that we gained.

by Baked Potato Soup on May 24, 2010 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

there's a wide difference between "field goals not a factor in losses" and "we underachieved inside the red zone"

These are two very different issues, and neither should be ignored.

Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly

by DalaiLuke on May 25, 2010 3:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

I’ll take this: our kicker does as well as their kicker

Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly

by DalaiLuke on May 25, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Perhaps we should sign Jeff Gillooly to a camp contract

I hear he has a real talent for leveling the playing field.

by Left Coast Cowboy on May 25, 2010 8:08 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

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