Dez's Mentor
by dunkman on May 23, 2010 9:54 AM CDT
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I read this and intially thought wow this is more fodder to crticize Dez...
I worried that first, Wells can be seen as a sort of shady character - bail bondsman, that sort of thing. And that he's been advising Michael Crabtree, whose negotiations with the niners was far from desirable. Just the kind of thing to get Dez bad pubs.
But the more I read, the more I liked. Two things jumped out at me.
"We never talk about football," Bryant said.
"Dez knows how to play football," Wells said. "We talk about how to live life."
and
Wells helped Crabtree find an agent as well as a lawyer, a financial adviser and marketing representatives. Crabtree, the 10th player selected in the 2009 draft, signed a six-year contract with the San Francisco 49ers that reportedly could earn him as much as $40 million. But the deal was made only after acrimonious negotiations lingered until October, well after last season began.
For his efforts, Wells received no compensation.
"That's what family is for," said Crabtree's mother.
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I always wondered how Crabtree's deal worked out for him in relation to what the others got.(his slotted contract money)
Did he still more or less fall into his selected slot(money wise) or did he do much better.
If he got more money was it guaranteed of based on performance boosters.
KICK ASS every day!!!
Here is the link..
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d810d9ec2&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
Looks like same signing bonus as where he was supposed to get for that spot in the first, but a little more per year at 6.6 mil a year average, and the others in that range are 5.5-5.0.
Thanks, I believe the guaratee is all that counts cause they can cut you.
Still, that nimrod will be trying to renegotiate in 3 years.
KICK ASS every day!!!
its all performance based. He has to win the superbowl and be mvp multiple times or something nuts to reach the ceiling of the contract.
Fulton Greenwall: Perhaps we should slow down just a teensy-weensy bit?
Ace Ventura: Nonsense, poopy-pants.
by I am a Romosexual on May 23, 2010 10:50 AM CDT reply actions
But took forever getting to the team
I still wonder about the advice he was getting. Former players and the “former personnel guy” media commentators all thought he was an idiot.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
While Crabtree had
a solid argument, he was screwed from day one. The only thing Heyward-Bey had on Crabtree was a forty time. Crabtree was far more productive in a tougher league. He had won all of the awards, his team was in the running for a national title, etc. The fact that the people in the clown car picked Heyward-Bey before him, should not have lessened Crabtree’s value (at least in his mind). In the end Bey got a 5 year deal with a base of 38.25 and 23.5 mil guranteed. Crabtree got a 6 year deal with a 32 mil base and 17 mil guranteed. It looks to me like Crabtree took a hit with the extra year even though it was 8 mil more than originally offered.
I don't think he had a solid argument at all.
And whoever was giving him advice about it was foolish and in the end it didn’t help Crabtree.
Crabtree was picked at 10. He gets paid at that rate. Whether or not he thinks he should have went higher is irrelevant. The 49ers don’t owe him more money because he thinks he’s better than where he was drafted.
Dez Bryant was drafted 24th but considered a top 5 talent by many, we have concrete evidence Dallas’ own scouting board had Dez listed in their top 15 players. Should Dez get top 15 money then? No way, he was picked 24th and that’s were he should get paid.
Sean Lee was drafted 55th overall but we know Dallas had him rated top 16. Lee won’t be getting top 16 money and nor should he.
Crabtree had no case. All he did was waste time and needlessly anger his employer and the fans.
He has a solid argument
in a free market system that pays for skill and production based on who will be potentially the best player. Unfortunately, for him, he was not in that system. His argument wasn’t whether he should have gone higher but whether or not he was a better player than Heyward-Bey. Every objective fact that could be measured said he was a better player. When one adds in Oakland’s draft history, the argument becomes more credible.
The fact that a group of old men (football owners) could pay off another group of old men(politicians) to allow a collusive payment system does not in and of itself make Heyward-Bey better than Crabtree. That was Crabtree’s argument. It was more about the salary cap and how players like him are hurt by it then it was about the money. It has always been the owners who wanted the cap/salary slotting not the players. Now it’s the owners crying about the money again and threatening to lock out the players in 2011. It is utter hypocrisy that men who made their money as capitalists now seek to marginalize others and eliminate the free market when it might not benefit them.
As for Heyward-Bey and Crabtree, the first year results are in:
Crabtree 48 recs. 625 yards 2 TDs Heyward-Bey 9 recs 124 yards 1 TD. For now Crabtree’s “I’m the better player” argument is quite valid.
The owners get hurt by the salary cap as well. Half the guys will fail.
Palyers get guaranteed contracts. Im a capitalist but its a sport and doing this way keeps the league balance and fair. Its the owners product. They ought to have the right to protect their product. If you dont like the pay or work, find another job. There isnt a gun to anyones head.
Obviously it wasnt just his 40 time that hurt him. Looks like him being a turd didnt help.
KICK ASS every day!!!
I think your looking at it all wrong Jevans.
None of your points apply here because the NFL is not the free market. It’s a private business. And even if it was a free market principle here Crabtree still has no case as you are worth on the free market only what someone is willing to pay. The most anyone was willing to pay Crabtree was pick #10 money, hence he was picked at #10. If Crabtree thought he was worth more than that it’s irrelevant.
To the point about Crabtree getting stiffed by these business men; if Michael Crabtree feels that his potential employer (NFL or 49ers) is holding back his potential earnings he’s well within his rights to not voluntarily enter his name into the NFL’s recruitment process (the Draft) and take his talents elsewhere on the market. He didn’t though because there’s no other job, private or otherwise, that is offering the money that the NFL is offering Crabtree. So he gleefully accepted the conditions, which include wage slotting. After the fact, when he didn’t go quite as high as he liked he then threw a tantrum.
Please explain to me
how the player will know what a team will be willing to pay them without entering the Draft? As for wage slotting, there is nothing in wage slotting that prevents negotiation on base value of the contract versus length versus guranteed money. In Crabtree’s case, he took another year on his contract and got a higher base salary. Heyward-Bey did the exact same thing versus Andre Smith who was picked before him and got more guranteed money. It can surely be argued that the longer term of the contracts provide more security for the player if the player performs well.
As for the owners, they are free to sell their teams at any given time and reap the profits that they have made in the increased value of their franchise as the player is allowed to not sign the contract. Jerry jones paid around 200 mil for the Cowboys whose value today is around 1 bil. Yet small market owners are still bitching and are threatening to lockout the players for 2011. Please. There are no broke billionaires.
"Please explain to me how the player will know what a team will be willing to pay them without entering the Draft?"
I’m sorry but I’m not sure what your referring to or mean here?
Negotiation – Yes, like you said, Crabtree can negotiate base value, contract length and bonus money but it’s around the parameters of his slot like the other 250+ drafted players do. The difference is they all made it to camp and preseason games at some stage while Crabtree was still arguing into October. Big difference. Also from what I read at the time most people who analyzed the contract and it’s clauses said Crabtree really didn’t get anything extra out of it so he essentially just wasted his time and angered his fanbase for nought.
Again, I’m not sure what your point is in your paragraph about the owners in regards to Crabtree’s holdout.
You said
“…if Michael Crabtree feels that his potential employer is holding back his potential earnings he’s well within his rights not to voluntarily enter his name into the NFL’s recruitment process (the Draft)…” I’m asking how will any player know what is being offered him without going into the draft? If he doesn’t enter the draft there will be no offer from anyone so he has nothing to compare the offer to.
Crabtree’s request was very much around the parameters of where he was slotted. The original offer from the 49ers was 32.5 mil over 5 years with 17 mil guranteed. He ended up getting 40 mil over six years because he felt he was better than Heyward-Bey and should be compensated for it. Take a look at some of the other contracts listed in the post above. Mark Sanchez was picked at #5 and got 3mil more in base salary (60 mil) than Tyson Jackson (57 mil) picked at # 3. Sanchez got a whopping 34 Mil more in base salary than Andre Smith who was picked at #6 though Smith’s contract is only four years.
The 49ers took your position instead of giving Crabtree what is essentially an incentive laden increase if he performs well. If he doesn’t perform, he doesn’t get it. they could have done that in July. Plus the 49ers got another year and therfore were able to decrease the annual value of the contract. This holdout was not all on Crabtree.
Ok thanks, I see what you mean now.
To answer the question; he makes an educated guess about where he will get selected. The NFL has a committee that also informs players as too where, in estimation, they can expect to be drafted.
I’m sure Crabtree was told he would be likely be a first round pick. He obviously excepted those conditions and decided that his likelihood of getting first round money was his best option in life.
Nowhere would he have been guaranteed to be the first WR taken or the highest paid WR, he’s not entitled to that and unfortunately for him he wasn’t the first WR drafted. Complaining about it and asking his employer to compensate him beyond what was reasonable (hence the long holdout) was poor logic in my opinion.
I see that you
Really don’t believe players have the right to negotiate despite your rhetoric to the contrary. We’ll just agree to dis agree.
Absolute nonsense.
I’m happy to agree to disagree but your putting words in my mouth yet again.
I guess that shows the strength of your argument that instead of just commenting on what I have said you twice now have made silly insinuations about what I’ve said rather than just accept my words at face value.
Luke you seem to be saying Crabtree had no case. Ok
I am going to exaggerate the point so you understand where I I am coming from. Al Davis could have picked Stewie Griffin of Family Guy at #7. It seems you are saying well no matter that Stewie never played WR, Crabtree has no right to argue his production over Stewie’s lack of same because Crabtree was picked at #10. Well just what argument should Crabtree use? "Give me more money because I want it? Hoefully you will accept the analogy in the spirit offered since I’m out drinking right now. Low battery, gotta go.
I see your point with your Davis – Stewie pick.
I understand your premise I just don’t agree with it.
Al Davis is one off the owners of an NFL franchise whether we like it or not. He had pick 7 in the draft and it’s his decision who to select. He felt the speed of Bey was more valuable to him than the production of Crabtree. It wouldn’t have mattered if he’d a have picked a WR that was expected to go in the 7th round instead of Crabtree. That’s his right as owner and general manager. Bey was considered a first round talent and Davis liked his physical potential more than Crabtree’s. These things happen in the draft every year. There’s no guarantee that any of these guys will succeed and sometimes sure things bust and sometimes the unheralded become great.
There were 9 other teams who liked other players more than Crabtree as well. Crabtree had no case and I think his argument boiled down to just what you suggested; "give me more money because I want it". That’s why he got little support within the league from everyone; players, personnel people and fans, and that’s why he eventually caved and signed a contract that, apparently when analyzed, is not much different to what he could have signed in July.
The 49ers did not owe him more money simply because he thought he was better than those drafted in front of him.
So we should pay Dez ridculous money because he got shafted?
Just look at his Junior year where people said easy top 5 pick following his senior season- that validates us paying him Top 5 money? Ugh, no. He fell to 24 so he gets 24 money. Get drafted, gladly accept your contract, take your millions and be happy you’re in that position.
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This is an apple and oranges comparison.
First of all Dez didn’t have the credentials Crabtree had to make his case. Secondly, the two players were picked fairly close at 7 and 10 respectively. Third, Dez got suspended for his junior year and did not play for a team contending for a national title. Crabtree’s argument was versus a particular player drafted very close to his position by a team that has a track record of drafting poorly. Dez Bryant’s situation has nothing to do with the Crabtree argument nor did I ever say that it did. If you don’t think that Crabtree had the right to even negotiate/argue the position than that’s up to you.
Nobody has said Crabtree can't negotiate.
What we’ve said is his demands became foolish and his reasoning worse, hence he was still sitting at home in October while the rest of the players were knee deep in the season. It doesn’t matter if Crabtree thought he was better than Bey. Oakland didn’t, case closed.
And the Dez Bryant situation is relevant because he was the almost unanimous #1 WR who went a few picks after a WR predominantly rated #2 or #3 (Demaryius Thomas). Should Dez get more than Thomas? No, he was picked after him.
So what that the players
were knee deep in the season and btw who gives a damn what the fans think?It obviously mattered to Crabtree because he wasn’t going to play for the original offer and he ended up getting what he wanted which was more than Heyward-Bey. So I guess the case wasn’t closed.
If the slotting is so absolute, as it seems to be in your mind, how does Sanchez get more money than Tyson Jackson? How does he (Sanchez) get better than twice the money of the number six pick Andre Smith? Crabtree NEVER asked for that type of money. In fact he took the same guranteed money and gave the 49ers a sixth year. This holdout was crap. You know and I know that any money that is not guranteed is funny money anyway. Now if the guy becomes an all-pro in the next couple of years they risk a hold out. It was stupid to try to hold that position when his agents had already seen Heyward-Bey give Oakland an extra year and he also got more guranteed money than Andre Smith who was picked before him.
You realize they pay different for diffrent positions
and skill players right?
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by Jeremiah_24 on May 26, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Which is why
salary slotting is not an absolute science. No wage scale really is.
....talk about apples to oranges dude.
You bring up a QB’s pay vs a non QB’s pay like that’s a valid point but me saying the Dez/Demaryius=Crabtree/HB situations are different. If you fall behind another person IN THE SAME SKILL POSITION AS YOURSELF you get paid less. That is salary slotting, and it’s for a reason. They had a chance at somebody in direct competition with you and did not choose you for whatever reason. You need to stop waffling man.
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Whoa man,
I did not bring up the QB vs non QB salary comparison with Luke other than to say two things: first that it is not an absolute since Luke is implying that once owners make an offer players should just shut up and take it. And secondly with the Andre Smith comparison that Sanchez as a #5 got 34 million dollars more than Smith who was a #6 in base salary did but only 7 million more in guranteed money. Check JLmax09’s link in his post at the top of the page. 34 million dollars is an awfully large slot. The slot between Mathew Stafford at #1 and Jason Smith at #2 was only 11 million and 8 mil guranteed. Obvioulsy I know QBs make more than OLs. The point is the difference in the size of the disparities.
I was trying to illustrate the point that the Crabtree “demands” were not as “foolish” as he was trying to make them especially considering the fact that Crabtree’s agents had those offers in their hands when they were negotiating. Crabtree surely has the right to bring up his productivity during his college career versus the opinion of one man who picked another person before him. I addressed your Dez/Demaryius issue below
You can backtrack if you want,
but you clearly compared a QB salary slot to an OL salary slot ONE reply after saying I couldn’t compare Dez/Dem vs Crab/DHB… You can’t give me a list of 30 things that would make that make sense. Sorry
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Who's backtracking?
I just compared a QB’s salary to an OL’s salary not once but TWICE! The illustration was to show the wide variance in the amount of money in the slotting not to compare the production of the players involved.
But since you only seem to want to deal with players of the same position let’s do Stafford and Sanchez.
Stafford 6yrs 72 mil base 41.7 guranteed avg 12 mil per.
Sanchez 5 yrs 60 mil base 34mil guranteed. Avg.12mil per. Same average annual over the life of the contract but Sanchez was 4 picks behind. Yet Crabtree should have just folded his tent. Ok.
As for Dez, what you don’t seem to get is that Dez can’t make the same production argument Crabtree made. Crabtree was making the argument that he was the best WR in college football at the time of the signing of his contract. Can Dez make that argument? No because he didn’t play his junior/draft year. It’s not that deep.
I beg to differ. Even with a year off
I didn’t hear a single person say talent wise he wasn’t the best. Did you? Of course not.
About Sanchez, that was all on the Jet’s. The wanted him with a passion, moved up to get him. That wasn’t him being disgruntled riding the bench. Like I said some owners are willing to pay for players they want.
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Pretty sure he porduced his first two years
so that’s production. Look at Bradford… Did he produce last year? No. Did he get injured….twice?? Yes. And he went first. You are being ridiculous if you think the last year is all that counts. Besides in the 3 games he did play he did rather well so I don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.
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Both players (Bey and Crabtree), at that point, had zero production in the NFL.
College production is not the only criteria that draftees are evaluated from. Less statistically productive college players get drafted over more statistically productive college players all the time.
A college player's production in his
Respective conference is the single most important criteria used in player evaluation. If that weren’t the case, Bruce Campbell could have been a top ten pick.
Not everyone goes off that.
You fail to notice teams take guys with potential and physical skill sets above people with #’s at times… Actually I am pretty sure it happens on a regular basis so I guess you can keep ignoring reality and live in this world where your opinion trumps anything that actually takes place in the draft.
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You are obviously not
reading what I said or choose to ignore it. I said it was the “single most importatnt criteria used in player evalutation.” Nowhere did I say that it was the ONLY criteria. I would have thought the Bruce Campbell analogy would have brought that point home but evidently it didn’t.
C'mon Jevans,
I didn’t imply that at all. I clearly said;
"Crabtree can negotiate base value, contract length and bonus money but it’s around the parameters of his slot like the other 250+ drafted players do."
What he wanted though was more guaranteed money than a player that was drafted at the same position ahead of him. This is clearly a completely different scenario than QB’s getting more than 3-4 DE’s.
It doesn’t matter what happened at pick #7. It’s got nothing to do with Crabtree because he was picked at #10. He’s not entitled to be the #1 WR drafted and highest paid just because he entered his name in the draft. The #1 picked WR is decided by the teams picking in the draft and the scenario that unfolded had Crabtree picked #2. Draft history shows us he will be paid less than the #1 WR drafted.
He decided that convention should be thrown out the window and that he should be paid where he thinks he ought to have gone rather than where, in reality, he actually went. What a can of worms would have been opened here if the 49ers didn’t stick to their guns and say NO. After months of missing valuable practice and games he finally made it to San Francisco as the #2 paid WR drafted. Stupid.
And I don't know how you can say he got more than Heyward-Bay.
He got a longer contract than Bey which, from what I’ve read, was a clause the 49ers got added in not Crabtree. But his average salary and his guaranteed money are all less than Bey’s.
Heyward-Bey’s deal ($38.25 mil over 5yrs) averaged $7.65 mil a season with $23.5 mil guaranteed.
Crabtree’s deal ($40 mil over 6 yrs) averaged $6.66 mil a season with $17 mil guaranteed.
I wouldn’t say that Crabtree ended up with a better deal than Heyward-Bey at all.
As far as the discrepancies between QB’s (Sanchez) and 3-4 DE’s (Jackson), as Jeremiah said, different positions are valued differently but Crabtree and Heyward-Bey play the same position. Crabtree was asking for more money than a player who was picked before him at the same position. Sorry, no can do.
The value of the
Contract was where the initial disagreement was between the parties. What about Sanchez getting the same annual average as Stafford despite being 4 spots behind Stafford? They’re both QBs.
Stafford got about $14 million more in guaranteed money than Sanchez.
That’s a big difference.
Crabtree wanted more guaranteed money than a guy drafted ahead of him at the same position. That was never going to happen. And it didn’t.
Show me a link
Where he said the money had to be guranteed. Every report I read or heard was about the value of the contract. If he said the money had to be guranteed than he would be wrong.
There where reports that Crabtree's camp wanted to be paid like a top 5 pick.
Which would be more base salary and more guaranteed money than Heyward-Bay got (and a few other players drafted ahead of him also).
"Although the specifics on what Parker is demanding is unknown, NFL sources have said the agent wants Crabtree rewarded a contract worthy of the top-five picks in the draft."
http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2009/08/crabtree-update-no-update.html
"Crabtree’s agent, Eugene Parker, is asking for a contract commensurate with the No. 3 overall pick – not the No. 10 pick – according to a report in the Denver Post. If that’s indeed the case, it might take a while for Crabtree to report to camp."
http://blog.pressdemocrat.com/49ers/2009/07/singletary-not-concerned-with-crabtree-negotiations.html
It wasn’t that Crabtree wanted to negotiate some parameters of his contract that was wrong it was that he and Parker wanted to completely throw the picking process out the window;
"There’s also a growing chorus of league insiders who are speaking out against the widely-believed effort by Parker to blow up the slotting process with Crabtree. Teams obviously would contend that the unwritten rules of draft-pick negotiation ritual should be honored; however, some of the agents who arguably would benefit from the introduction of chaos privately have described efforts to blow the curve as “inappropriate” and “unacceptable” and “wrong.”"
So we have reports that said he wanted top 5 money, pick 3 money, as well as other reports that said he wanted more than Heyward-Bey and others that said he wanted the same as Heyward-Bey.
It doesn’t matter which one was right. The point is he was picked at 10, not 3, not 5 and not 7 so his contract needed to be and eventually was, after months of wasted time, in line with the 10 selection.
Here’s a good article on how it ended up (realistically it’s 6 years 32 million apparently);
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/07/crabtrees-base-deal-six-years-32-million/
Actually,
under pure accounting rules it is 40 mil and serves what he considered his worth. The team has to account for all possible payouts including incentives when the contract is submitted. Is it LIKELY to end up being 40 mil? Probably not. Never the less it was obviously a psychological position he took to be the top paid WR.
I had not heard the “we want top 3 or 5 money” argument. My position was the right to argue/negotiate top WR money in the draft which can be accomplished when the picks are as close as 7 and 10. I am sure he believes he won his psychological argument despite the concessions he had to make.
I really don't get how you're saying Apples to Oranges.
I’m all for negotiation, but you can’t say your negotiation is based on you getting picked later than you should. If you are the #1 WR drafted 2nd overall WR you get 2nd money… unless the team is willing to pay you. The draft is set up in a way that you can legitimately look at what is a reasonable salary. If you don’t get drafted where you want perform and use THAT as your negotiation peice. If Crabtee wouldn’t have gone through his hold-out he would’ve come close to the 1000 yd mark. After that compared to HB you don’t think they would be willing to renogotiate in the near future?
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by Jeremiah_24 on May 26, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Crabtree's position was
that he and HB were both top ten picks and that he was the better receiver. He never said in anywhere I could find that he wanted top 5 money or something like that. Every objective statistical measurement that is normally used to evaluate college WRs was on his side. You say if Crabtree had signed earlier he would have come close to the 1000 yard mark which is very true. Also, if the 49ers had given him the deal he eventually signed in July, maybe they would have made the playoffs. Heyward-Bey aside, Crabtree was surely going to be the best WR the 49ers had.
You say “wouldn’t they be willing to renegotiate in the future”? What leverage would Crabtree have then? A holdout? If he was going to have to holdout he might as well holdout before he originally signed. Why take the chance of injury or failure for that matter?
Bottom line is that people here seem to agree that if senile Al Davis picks Heyward-Bey ahead of you that means he is better than you and should be paid more money than you. Crabtree was saying I performed better than HB and because he was picked before me does not mean he will perform better than me and therefore should be paid more than me. I think the argument has merit based on an objective evaluation of the two players and I believe that Crabtree will be a better pro than HB.
Some team owners are
actually willing to pay overacheiving WR’s yes. It’s to make them WANT to stay around. Contract extensions are given out every year.
Now yet again I will point out the Dez case. He will be better then Demaryius Thomas so how can you say that isn’t the exact same thing you just explained to me. The better receiver went second a few picks after the first went… failing to see how thats so different.
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I understand what you
are saying but Dez got to the #24 draft position because of his NCAA troubles. I mean you got to admit I don’t know of any player where interviewers were asking the player if their mom was a prostitute. That is not to mention the NCAA violation and suspension. Therefore, Dez got to #24 kind of on his own. None of the other 3 WRs you mentioned had those type of issues to my knowledge. With Crabtree and HB there were no “issues” to get in the way other than money and performance.
As for paying Dez more money than Demaryius and ignoring the so called “black marks” against Dez, we’ll have to see how that one plays out. Dez didn’t really play his junior year and Demaryius did so Dez is at a little bit of a disadvantage in making his argument. However, I am willing to bet right now that their salries are closer than the original offer made to Crabtree vs. HB’s original offer and that is despite Dez’s problems.
Crabtree fell because
of a stress fracture, Dez because he denied talking to Deion. Take your choice on which is worse, but it wasn’t guarenteed he would come back and be better than DHB.
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Sorry but
getting picked in the top ten is not falling. Crabtree was injured Dez was branded as a character risk. No debate on which is worse as far as getting paid is concerned.
Really?
Because after I interview someone I know I’m a good judge of character but I am sure as heck not a Dr! There is no debate in YOUR mind maybe, but not everyone agrees with you so there is still a debate.
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How can there still
Be a debate? Crabtree was drafted #10 and Dez #24. That ship has sailed.
Because in every draft class
there are many different factors. Teem needs, depth at cetain positions, etc. You can’t compare on draft to another like it’s the exact same thing. Where is your logic?
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by Jeremiah_24 on May 27, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Wait a minute.
You are the one that brought up the Dez/Crabtree comparison originally not me. Don’t try to use the fact they were in different drafts now. You knew that when you made the statement.
Luke
The people who were advising Crabtree are the same folks who Dez has in his corner. Eugene Parker, and Wells.
Rookie salary’s is one of the reason why the NFL does not have a current CBA.
This is one place where the NFL could take a page out of the NBA’s CBA.
Amen
How quickly would the luster wear off of the Cowboys new penny if Dez is not signed by the 1st or 2nd week of training camp.
Crabtree's holdout didn't work
It seems unlikely the pair would attempt the tactic again.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on May 25, 2010 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions
Dallas has a good relationship with Parker.
They’ll be fine.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 26, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
he actually got less I think. . .
Fulton Greenwall: Perhaps we should slow down just a teensy-weensy bit?
Ace Ventura: Nonsense, poopy-pants.
by I am a Romosexual on May 23, 2010 12:58 PM CDT reply actions
if I was Jerry
I would wait and see what the Broncos give pick 22? WR picked before Dez and add 10%, Dez is gonna be better and will still be bargain.
Going off the 24th pick of the 2009 draft
Dez should get around a 5 year $14.5 million (8.25 guaranteed) contract offer.
I just have a feeling...
….that there isn’t going to be a problem getting him signed. He seemed pretty darned happy to get drafted by the Cowboys. You never know what people are whispering in his ear, but I think there will not be much of a holdout, if any. Maybe that’s just wishful thinking.
"I just wrote the check, it's up to you guys to cash it!" - Jimmy Johnson to defense after failed attempt on 4th down deep inside Cowboy territory. AND THEY DID!!!!
Wells seems legit.
Pretty soon Dez will be able to afford his own place. I’d be more worried about some of the people the family drags in. Somehow, I just don’t think Dez is the character worry that he’s been made out to be. He seems like a polite, sincere, kid. I think he just needs to be careful with the media until he acquires some skills with handling them.
When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.
No, you're right
it’s not his character I worry about, it’s more the characters he’ll run into. Guys like Wells are great for young guys who have little else in the way of role models. And he sounds “clean” in that he appears to not need or want money out of these relationships.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Agreed
Dez’ major pressure could come from the success he’s going to have, because I think he’s going to have a lot.
When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.
Ol' Roy ... ? Isn't he the 2-time national champion b-ball coach of the Tar Heels?
Dez will do fine with the examples in the Cowboys locker room. These guys know how to work hard … while mixing in the fun. Choice is just one example, but a good one when it comes to both putting in the work and relaxing when the time is right.
Roy Williams #11 has been praised for his work ethic, Romo’s known for his “gym-rat” attitude, Witten’s a worker. It can also come from the guys lining up across the line … don’t be surprised if Mike Jenkins, Newman, Scandrick and etc. are also pushing Dez to be his best. That’s what teammates with an eye on the Super Bowl do – work as a team.
I don’t know anything about this Wells guy, but Crabtree’s hold-out is a strike against him in my book. Nonetheless, the whole thread is interesting… I like the discussion / tangent of the “draft slot / salary” debate. For my two cents, the Draft is the closest thing the NFL gets to “free market” supply and demand: your value is directly related to where you were drafted. When you consider the potential for any team to trade up at any moment, you basically have every team voting ON EVERY PICK… if a valuable player drops, he won’t go too far before a team is willing to trade up for the value of that draft position. End of story. All conjecture as to who was smartest / most valuable is moot – the picks are the final votes.
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