Why we shouldn't keep Patrick Crayton
I like Patrick Crayton. I like what he brings to this team. Great hands, good return skills, and most importantly, a reliable receiver for our QB. While many people here and throughout the Cowboys Community still want him here, I included, none of us are looking at the negative side of his presence on the team. So in this post, that is what I want to accomplish.
1) Patrick Crayton is an Average Receiver: With Crayton, we know what we have. He's an average possession receiver, who has average speed, and average size. In 2009, Crayton had an average number of catches (37), an average number of yards (622) and an average number of touchdowns (5). No matter how you look at it, Crayton will never be anything more than average. He will never start for a team in this League, and if/once he does get traded/cut, he will only be a stop-gap, which leads me to my next point.
2) Patrick Crayton is a Progress Stopper: With the Great Purge of 2008, we saw many new and better players replace them. Jenkins, Spencer, Sensabaugh, Austin, and Scrandrick all stepped into their respective role and upgraded it. This year, we replaced Adams and Hamlin, and we have seen what Free and Ball bring to the position. We know that Bryant and Ogletree will make the team, but after that, we have a multitude of unproven (with the exception of Hurd), young receivers that could end up being the next Miles Austin. As long as Crayton is on this team, we are potentially throwing away unknown talent. What if Titus Ryan or Manny Johnson or Jesse Holley could bring a new dimension to our already potent arial attack? Until Crayton is gone, we will never know.
3) Patrick Crayton is on the downside of his Career: No matter how you look at it, Patrick Crayton is a declining wide receiver. He's 31, and in the next 3-4 years, will most likely be out of the league. If he is on the roster this year, he will be the 4th receiver, and no matter how much trust Romo has in him, if he's not on the field, it won't matter. He's become expendable, and replaceable. He might be a number two on some teams, but it will not be here.
4) Patrick Crayton quit on his team: This is what bothers me the most; his diva attitude to this team. He's not even trying to show that he wants to be on this team and compete. When he goes into training camp, he's going to be a cancer around younger players, and we do not need that on this team. He's alienated himself from his teammates, and his coaches. His hold out is not based on salary, but on his attitude. If he really wanted to be part of this team, he would be busting his butt to justify his spot on the #3 receiving position. I've lost respect for him, and I assume the organization has as well.
In closing, I know many of you will not agree with this post, but I think it's necessary to look at the other side in this argument. Even if Crayton is not let go this year, he will most definitely be gone by the the 2011 season. I want Patrick to succeed, but it will no happen in Dallas. We can argue over Roy Williams, and we can go back and forth over injuries, but will it really change anything? It's time to move on, and watch this team continue into a new era and thrive.
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Because we paid the money,
he knows the playbook, veteran experiance, no trade value, we aren’t even through training camp preseason so who know what injuries we will have…. For real, why does this topic get rehashed every two fan posts??
Semper Fi Do or Die
I agree..Crayton is average
Crayton had about the same kind of year as Roy Williams, but he doesn’t make as much as Roy Williams (I know)! Roy has a much better upside than Crayton and has shown flashes of greatness in his NFL career.
I don’t think Crayton is good enough to be demanding a trade. He should be happy the Cowboys want him.
I keep hearing about his great hands. I don’t think I remember him ever making any great catches.
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Patrick Crayton is an Average Receiver: With Crayton, we know what we have. He’s an average possession receiver, who has average speed, and average size. In 2009, Crayton had an average number of catches (37), an average number of yards (622) and an average number of touchdowns (5). No matter how you look at it, Crayton will never be anything more than average.
Let me ask you a question that will seem like a non-sequiter but I promise is relevant to this discussion.
Who is a better RB: Matt Forte or Felix Jones?
by Fan in Thick and Thin on May 26, 2010 6:17 PM CDT reply actions
Based of yards per carry I would say that the answer is Felix.
Of course, I am fully aware that Forte had better absolute stats (more rushing yards) and that is why you are asking. ;-)
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on May 26, 2010 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions
yup
and the logical follow-up question is:
If it’s correct to judge a RB on per attempt productivity (as opposed to absolute productivity), doesn’t that apply to WRs well?
Because if you look at Crayton’s per attempt stats, they’re better than average.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on May 26, 2010 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions
It is a question worth pondering
but the question in my mind is how do I think other receivers could do if they were put in Crayton’s role. Honestly, I recognize that Crayton is a very steady player, but I think a guy like Jacoby Jones would be more explosive and threatening to defenses. As such, I was a large supporter of bringing in a WR this offseason to give us more firepower. I am quite glad that Dez’s perfect storm made that possible.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on May 26, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Good point,
but to counter your question, is 2.2 catches a game the kind of number you want to see from your 3rd WR?
by Alexcomestokill on May 27, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
it's all dependent on # the of times he's targetted
is 2.2 catches a game the kind of number you want to see from your 3rd WR?
The number of total targets is going to be relatively fixed.
Romo consistently has 32-34 attempts / games, which translates to ~550 attempts per season.
~125+ go to Austin (125 was for a season where he was #1 for 11 games)
~125 go to Whitten
That leaves 300 targets to be divided between Roy Williams, Crayton, Martellus Bennett, Felix Jones, Phillips, Barber, Choice, Ogletree.
Crayton is clearly one of the more efficient WRs (i.e. he does a lot with his targets).
Here are some WRs who have a similar # of targets and efficiency.
Kenny Britt, Malcolm Floyd, Hakeem Nicks, Mike Wallace
by Fan in Thick and Thin on May 27, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I fully agree (I have been one of Crayton's main detractors on this board)
but unless some team jumps for a trade, I would at least hold on to him until training camp to see if another team suffers an injury or god forbid we do.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Crayton is better than we give him credit for..
How many times have you seen the pass rush get to Romo, only to see Romo shake the defender(s) to find Crayton in the back of the end zone? Jason Garrett might not have any special redzone plays design for Crayton, but when Romo is in trouble, Romo is looking for 82 and 84.
The Key Point Is He Is A Progress Stopper
Let Romo learn who he can and can’t trust among the young guys. I think the success that that Miles Austin had last year was not solely because of his maturation as a reciever, but also in large part to the familuairity that grew between the two on the practice squad; So again, let him find out who he can trust. Younger, Faster maybe better. But yes, string him along and see how healthy we are at the end of camp.
It aint personal, it’s buisness.
I've got mixed feelings about the guy. He has made some great plays
over the years. He has also made some clunkers, like everyone on the team. It’s the attitude I’ve always wondered about. He’s got a mouth on him, and on more than one occasion has provided unnecessary bulletin board material for other teams. I think he also chose up sides with TO year before last, and continued to defend that divo when I think it would have been prudent to shut up. Now, he’s acting like a star player who is taking his marbles and going home. He’s not a star and never has been. He’s a serviceable player who should understand that this is a business. If they can shop him and get something for him, great. If not, I suppose keep him around and see how the other receivers weather training camp, as bad knees says.
I don't know why all this talk about a guy that is going to be cut...
He is as good as gone. If he is lucky he will be the #5 WR on this team this season.
"First rounders need to be starters" Jerry Jones.
Go Philadelphia Flyers!!!!
Because it's Cowboys talk that people have an opinion about
I’m kind of an air head and don’t really get in to a lot of speculation or a lot of number/stat post; but I like my Cowboys and if someone posts a subject were I might be able to give a educated opinion or a smart*$$ comment on-well I’ll do it.
Amen. This. Word. What the man said.
Why we’re all here. And why we come back, day after day.
by One.Cool.Customer on May 27, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
not true boyz, as usual
Cowboys won’t cut Crayton until all the receivers make it through camp and preseason healthy. If that happens and some young WR proves to be potentially good, like a Johnson or Holley, then he could be cut.
It’s certainly not as definite as you think.
In Romo we Trust
Terry, wake up buddy...the guy is gone...
He doesn’t contribute on special teams which makes his worth even less. He won’t beat out Ogletree so he will be the #5 on depth chart.
If and that’s a big if, he is here he won’t be on the 45 game day roster most of the time which means he will be inactive….
"First rounders need to be starters" Jerry Jones.
Go Philadelphia Flyers!!!!
Yes he does he's a Punt returner
He isn’t on coverage teams, I don’t think; But I’m on the side that leans toward the younger guys.
He lost his spot as a PR and he doesn't contribute on special teams like Hurd does which makes his value less..
"First rounders need to be starters" Jerry Jones.
Go Philadelphia Flyers!!!!
Cowboys won't rush to cut him for the reasons I stated
If you want to continue to be delusional, have at it.
In Romo we Trust
ok Terry.. well see what you say when he is cut buddy...
"First rounders need to be starters" Jerry Jones.
Go Philadelphia Flyers!!!!
Remember the two punt return touchdowns last year?
He doesn’t contribute on special teams which makes his worth even less
And:
He won’t beat out Ogletree so he will be the #5 on depth chart.
He did last year, so what have you seen during the offseason to be able to make that statement with such certainty?
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on May 28, 2010 3:05 AM CDT up reply actions
c'mon....
My Grandfather couldve scored on those two holes made for him. He didn’t do anything special but run up the seam.
Ogletree has another year in the system and he really started to come on the end of last season. A blind man can see he brings more to the table than a old and slow Crayton.
"First rounders need to be starters" Jerry Jones.
Go Philadelphia Flyers!!!!
Go back and look at the SEA return to refresh your cloudy memory.
You obviously despise Crayton for whatever reason, and are constantly trashing him, but for God sakes give him the credit he deserves when he makes the big plays.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on May 29, 2010 6:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on May 29, 2010 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions
For those two TD's he had last year I can count ten times as many fair catches he has made....
I despise him because he can’t shut his mouth. He acts like he is something special and he is not. He is an average WR, average to below average PR. Were not going to miss his 37 catches of last year with Dez and Ogletree in the mix. Get over it people….were better without him than with him now….When Dez starts tearing it up this year everyone will be saying Crayton who?
"First rounders need to be starters" Jerry Jones.
Go Philadelphia Flyers!!!!
Young Dude (I say this based on the way to write)
Most of the people on this blog are much older than you (and generally speak respectfully to each other) so when you start telling them what to do it does not help to make your point.
Be it right or wrong. In this case your both.
I agree with Alex and you that we don’t need PC, but we would be dumb to realize him right now just because some fans (you) don’t like him.
If one or two WR gets hurt in camp like Scandrick then we have to go with a guy like Holley making the team. Based on last year Holley needs another year on the practice squad. Its way to early to start making roster moves to be filled with unproven players like Johnson or Holley. I like PC as an insurance policy.
Woodson is a Hall of Famer!!!
by I'm a Cowboy on May 29, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Whether everyone wants to realize it or not the only reason his is still on this team is for insurance
against injury. Crayton’s knows it the reason he is bitching. At some point he will be cut during training camp., maybe before if he keeps running his mouth.
As we’ve previously pointed out, it may be hard for the Cowboys to unload Crayton’s $2 million salary. Crayton wants out in part because he suspects that the Cowboys will keep him around through training camp as an insurance policy, dumping him before the regular-season begins if each of the other top wideouts emerge from training camp and the preseason unscathed.
It’s also possible that the Cowboys will first try to squeeze Crayton into taking less money before dumping him.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/01/cowboys-prefer-to-trade-patrick-crayton/
"First rounders need to be starters" Jerry Jones.
Go Philadelphia Flyers!!!!
He talked about them forcing him to take less money
and that’s why he wants them to let him go now. He knows exactly why he’s here and the exact plan for him. Which is why he’s mad. But it’s not unreasonable why he is where he is. Our team got better, and if he’s got to go he’s got to go. The NFL is a business and some people win and some lose.
Semper Fi Do or Die
He does have to go and he will
I may not care for him, but he deserves to latch onto another team sooner rather than later. I would be pissed if I were him to if I knew the only reason they were keeping me around is to protect against an injury in traning camp.
"First rounders need to be starters" Jerry Jones.
Go Philadelphia Flyers!!!!
Exactly, before last year he had the nickname capt faircatch. Terry is entering mickey spagnola territory here
his return yards were inflated by the two TD returns he had. Pat was a career 7-9 yd per punt return range if he was not fair catching half the time; to his credit the man would make the catch he rarely had a muff. But the guy is a hard working average player. The guy is what he is, and it is time to see what the new crop has to offer. RW is headed for the same fate as PC, his contract is going to be his undoing, he will not be able to live up to the 5 mil to 6.8 mil he will be slated to make over the next two years.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
Well for all intensive purposes I don't think Crayton contributes to our ST any more.
He won’t be the PR (barring injury) and he doesn’t cover kicks and punts like Sam Hurd. As such, I think it is rather correct to say that Crayton will not contribute on ST this upcoming year (barring injury).
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on May 28, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
With Injuries Being The Great Equalizer in Football
It would be wise to keep Crayton on the roster — at least through TC.
I echo Terry’s comments.
Crayton won’t set the world on fire with week-to-week playmaking highlight reels, but if we suffer through a string of preseason injuries to our WR corps, it’d be nice to have him available.
Is playing smart too much to ask?
and that's the only reason he will be around....sucks for him, but that's the business
"First rounders need to be starters" Jerry Jones.
Go Philadelphia Flyers!!!!
This is a good column
You make some excellent points. But although Crayton’s pure receiving numbers are “average,” let’s keep in mind he has mostly been a slot/#3 receiver and that he still has a very impressive 14.7 yards per reception average. Last year alone he had receptions of 80, 64, 44, 32, 28, 25 and 25 yards. In other words, his catches are quality.
But his age is a concern and he could be a progress stopper…
Some of his catches were very impressive.
And he has a Quarterbacks vision playing WR. but when he’s only averaging 32.34 yards and two catches a game, the catches that you referenced really bloated his average.
by Alexcomestokill on May 27, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
but when he’s only averaging 32.34 yards and two catches a game,
Romo averages 32-34 attempts per games.
Romo is also a career 63% passer. Hence, completions per game will be ~21-22 per games.
Please explain how many receptions per game you expect for each position. Your total must equal 22.
Austin (#1 WR):
RW (#2 WR):
Crayton (#3 WR):
Hurd (#4 WR):
KO (#5 WR):
Whitten (#1 TE):
Bennett (#2 TE):
Phillips (#3 TE):
Barber (#1 RB):
Jones (#2 RB):
Choice (#3 RB):
Anderson (FB):
by Fan in Thick and Thin on May 27, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
here one example
Austin (#1 WR): 6
RW (#2 WR): 4
Crayton (#3 WR): 2
Hurd (#4 WR): 0.5
KO (#5 WR): 0.5
Whitten (#1 TE): 5
Bennett (#2 TE): 1
Phillips (#3 TE): 0
Barber (#1 RB): 1
Jones (#2 RB): 1
Choice (#3 RB): 0
Anderson (FB): 1
by Fan in Thick and Thin on May 27, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
He's a math guy, English isn't his forte
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on May 29, 2010 6:36 AM CDT up reply actions
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by Fan in Thick and Thin on May 29, 2010 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Lighten up Francis
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on May 30, 2010 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I can guess what you'll say next too
’don’t be so sensitive’
which will be amusing coming from the guy who complained that a fanpost including an this quote of his shouldn’t have been a fanpost because it wasn’t “Cowboys” related.
Just wanted to make sure the Pac fans got to see this.
A description of his awesome work out for CIN.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=jc-directsnap021610&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
This guy is done.
-A Perfect Star
by Fan in Thick and Thin on May 29, 2010 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Glad you were amused but I didn't complain
Just pointing out the fact that you made a fanpost that was not Cowboy related, that’s a fact, not a complaint. I was also not the only one to point it out.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on May 30, 2010 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I see your point
but by using averages, you kind of lose perspective on how much Crayton actually impacted the games, at least last season. For example, crayton had at most 4 catches last year. I don’t have the data to back this up, but I would expect that the third wr could pick up the slack a little better when teams double up on guys like austin and witten – my guess is most other 3rd wrs had at least a couple 6 catch games. Though I guess we do run more 2 TE sets, which probably hurts him.
Pretty much, Crayton had two huge plays – one against philly in week 9, one against TB in week 1. Outside of these plays, he was not very effective. As always, he was good in the red zone, and he pretty much owned joselio hanson late in the year. But you’d expect more out of a #3 wr than 2 big gains, a couple red zone plays, and beating up Joselio Hanson right? And seriously, I just listed all of his highlights. There are about 10 games that he hardly impacted at all.
I like Crayton, I think hes a very reliable player, and a severely underrated red zone asset. I think the team is absolutely right in keeping him till we at least see our players get out of camp healthy. But I’m not a fan of this catch total argument.
If we need a play in the red zone, I don’t hesitate to put Crayton in there. The guy has been money in that situation the last two years. But between the 20s, I find it hard to believe a guy like Ogletree wouldn’t bring more to this offense in the future. And then you’re left debating between Hurd and Crayton, which is essentially debating whether you’d rather have a strong special teams guy or a reliable wr in case one or two of your top receivers go down.
Here's a spreadsheet you can play around with
I already put last year’s targets in. Play around with the targets (just keep the total targets at 550) and see if you don’t think 2.2 receptions / game is normal for the #3 WR.
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Aq_pzudn-VEDdGtNbkdWRFlrU3ZNdXJlaDF1LTJlcnc&hl=en
by Fan in Thick and Thin on May 27, 2010 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Alex?
come on, I’m dying to see you explain how the targets/recptions should be spread around.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on May 28, 2010 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree with this post
I think the main point is the point about being a locker room cancer. Crayton is barely willing to accept being the number 3 receiver much less the number 4 or lower. He’s an average wide receiver, that’s it, the problem is he doesn’t know it and he isn’t willing to accept his role.
Does anyone really think a guy with the kind of mouth he has is going to be anything but a terrible influence to all the young players in the locker room when he isn’t getting the playing time he thinks he deserves? We got rid of T.O. for similar reasons and he is twice as talented as Crayton. This guy is done with the Cowboys. Period.
yes
I think Crayton is a decent, solid player. the problem seems to be that he thinks he’s more than that. I vaguely remember in training camp one year Bill Parcells talking about his #3 receiving having a big head and thinking he was better than he was. anyone else remember that? I’m pretty sure he was talking about Crayton
That's an insightful and funny remark by Parcells, as usual
but Crayton made a lot of himself – former WR, 7th round pick, limited skills, playing with established NFL stars like Keyshawn Johnson, Terry Glenn and Terrell Owens, etc. In some ways he has the right to be confident and proud of himself.
How would you feel iv every year you are loyal to your job and you showed good level of production production at work and you still were getting passed over every year. I don’t blame him one bit for his diva attitude or asking for a trade. Do the man a favor, let him go.
"On a journey to anywhere you can draw your own map."
My Opinion on Crayton
I respectfully disagree with the blog. I like Patrick Crayton and I think he fills an important role on the 2010 Dallas Cowboys.
The blog author sees Crayton as an average player in the negative sense. I see an average player in the positive sense: Crayton is dependable, a known quantity and very flexible. The stats quoted in this post are nice numbers for a guy who doesn’t see the field much. I think Crayton had 8 td’s a year or two ago, and if forced into a significant role in 2010 I think he could put up those numbers again. As a receiver, he is flexible enough to play any of the three receiver spots. He also bring value to the team as a punt returner – he may not be great in this role, but once again he is dependable and a known quantity.
The blog author sees Crayton as a progress stopper. I disagree. To make my point, let’s say Dallas keeps Austin, Williams, Dez, Ogletree and Crayton as the 5 wide receivers. That means the 53-man roster has three young guys (Austin, Ogletree and Dez) and two developmental guys (Ogletree and Dez). That’s enough youth for my taste.
The blog author sees Crayton on the downside of his career. I disagree. At age 31 I think he can match is career productivity for a few more; one more at least.
The last argument is that Crayton is a diva. I think diva is too strong a characterization, though he always has been a bit too mouthy for my taste. But there are far worse out there for sure. I think Crayton’s recent words and actions are born out of frustration. He wants a job next season, and the worst situation for him over the next three months is to go all the way through training camp with the Cowboys and then receive his walking papers on the final cut. He wants some assurances that he will be given a fair opportunity to make the Cowboys or he wants the chance to prove his worth to another team during training camp. That seems like a reasonable position for me.
So here is the summary of my position. I am not advocating for Crayton to be one of the top three or even four wide receivers on the team in 2010 or the starting punt returner. However, your team cannot be completely made up of starters and high potential guys who haven’t proven anything as yet. You must have some solid, dependable, proven and yes, average players on your roster for known depth. Crayton fills that role admirably both as a wide receiver and as a punt returner. The Cowboys do not need four young wide receivers on their 53 man roster, three of whom would be developmental guys. If we need one or more developmental wide receivers in the pipeline, I say put them on the practice squad.
Patrick Crayton is a valuable insurance policy in 2010. Let’s pay the $2M insurance premium and keep him around for a t least one more year.
I think this post
and the OP’s post sum up this argument the best. There are good points for both sides.
Personally for me, it comes down to this: Is he more important to this team than Sam Hurd? Lets keep in mind that this is the first season austin stayed healthy, RW is a disaster and Dez is playing pro football after almost a year off. Look at the histories of Austin and RW and it looks highly likely that one of them goes down for some stretch of time.
I like Ogletree, and I have no problem with him being #4 wr, but I think we have a very unproven group once you take crayton out of it.
Outstanding points, foyesboys.
One more reason I’m FOR keeping Crayton… at least through TC.
Is playing smart too much to ask?
Jerry is not going to pay 2 million to a player who will essentially be inactive most of the time...not going to happen
"First rounders need to be starters" Jerry Jones.
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If Crayton is on the team he will be active every game
He is one of the 2 best slot receivers in the league.
this = he is a top 2 # 3 receiver.
Not bad for $2Mil
Unless he becomes a distraction, he is on this team and cut in the off season next year.
Hmmmm Just read the transcript of his interview today.
Seems he is intent on being a distraction.
Too bad, he is throwing away $2 Mil, I do not think anyone would pay him more than $1 – $1.5 to be their #2 or #3.
incorrect...the 5th WR is mainly inactive most of the time....
We won’t activate 5 WR’s on the 45 game day roster….
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How much is he paying Roy W to be essentially inactive?
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Like it or not RW will be the 2nd WR on the depth chart come Sept.
He may get bumped to the 3rd spot at some point if Dez explodes..
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I agree
I know he did some good stuff for this team but I don’t think I’ve ever forgiven him for the critical drop in the Giants playoff game. The worst thing was the comments about the Giants earlier in that same season. After we beat the Giants in NY to complete the season sweep, Crayton made that weird remark about ‘urinating’ in their home stadium to mark territory. I couldn’t believe he said that. Even at the time we knew there was a chance we would have to play them again in the playoffs. And it’s among the most embarrassing comments I’ve ever heard a Cowboy player make.
And after giving them such great bulletin board material for the playoff game in Dallas, he dropped that ball. Pee on your hands, Patrick?
And now he’s pouting because of our awesome first round pick?
He can go talk about marking his territory in some other team’s uniform. At least I hope so.
by David Scheppler on May 28, 2010 12:15 PM CDT reply actions
LOL
I must have missed that quote. If anyone has a link to it, I’d love to read the interview.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on May 29, 2010 6:38 AM CDT up reply actions
In my book, that quote gets him extra credit
“We love playing on the road,” Crayton said. “One, because you love coming into another man’s home. It’s kinda like an invasion. We’re kinda like big dogs, with what we’re trying to do. We’re trying to come in, urinate a little bit, and mark our territory.” from DMN
by One.Cool.Customer on May 29, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions
I understand
why you would give him the extra credit but he wouldn’t get any from me. He should have known they may have been coming back to Dallas for the only game that would actually matter.
Because of that remark the Giants got to mark their territory here without even having to say it.
by David Scheppler on May 30, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Clearly a sarcasm:fail on my part
Anyway, welcome to the Blog David.
by One.Cool.Customer on May 30, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Oops
My mistake. Thanks…
And thanks also for finding that quote, I hadn’t remembered it exactly.
by David Scheppler on May 31, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Very nice
I think that was Mark Schlereth’s thought process as well. They didn’t call him Stink for nothing.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on May 30, 2010 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions
There are some good questions raised here but there are other questions unanswered
The concept of stopping progress is one I have raised as well but not in regards to Patrick Crayton.
First: Patrick is our punt returner. Only Newman is returning that has also successfully fulfilled this role on the team in the past and Newman has only been used in optimal situations. Relying on rookie punt returners in this league is folly without at least a veteran backup. There are too many difficult stadiums and conditions and too many judgment situations that are critical to catch the punt and not fumble it to trust rookies only, Patrick is an above average punt returner (I believe I read here he was 9th in average yards returned). Until another player proves he is better and as reliable doesn’t he need to be considered for retention?
Second: Patrick is not the first on this team to sound the concern about being replaced by a draft pick. Greg Ellis comes to mind in recent years. I did not like it then and I don’t like it now but it does not mean he is a cancer on the team. My own following of Patrick over these years has indicated throughout that he is a solid team guy who has never been a diva – only a typical WR in displaying confidence in his abilities. I can see Patrick’s position with his family. I suspect he wife may be behind his need to speak out. Also we have all seen misquotes before because reporters would rather have sensationalism than accurately conveying the intent of the player. Until he actually becomes a problem in the locker room (he can be cut at any time) wouldn’t it be more prudent to simply say no cut and assure him of getting a fair opportunity?
Finally: There are too few veteran receivers on this team without Patrick. Injuries happen and a team that is a contender needs to put winning first and have that assurance that the critical situations will have our best available. Slot receivers are a different breed and only Patrick has shown consistent production from that spot. Progress vs production is a tough balance that is more likely to see Patrick still with the team through training camp. Wouldn’t you feel more comfortable with this known productive player? Can you be sure the player replacing Patrick is above average and able to fulfill all these roles?
He sucks at it so why would we...
"First rounders need to be starters" Jerry Jones.
Go Philadelphia Flyers!!!!
2 Touchdowns last year
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Jun 2, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
And #9 in punt return avg...
with a 11.8 yard avg.
Who was better?
1 Michael Spurlock (TB) 30.0 avg (only 3 returns with a long of 77yards(TD), so other 2 rets only went for 13yds total)
2 DeSean Jackson (PHI) 15.3 avg (2 TDs)
3 Domenik Hixon (NYG) 14.2 avg (1 TD)
4 Brad smith (NYJ) 13.5 avg (Only 2 returns, 0 TDs)
5 Derek Stanley (SL) 12.3 avg (Only 3 returns, 0 TDs)
6 Joshua Cribbs (CLE) 12.2 avg (1 TD)
7 Wes Welker (NE) 12.1 avg (0 TDs)
8 Quan Cosby (CIN) 11.9 avg (0 TDs)
9 Patrick Crayton (DAL) 11.8 avg (2 TDs)
Take out the small sample guys and Crayton was #6. Yup, he obviously sucks…
Rabid and luvin' it
Boyzfan94's irrational dislike > than your logic
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Jun 3, 2010 7:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Just the facts...he is gone so like it...it's a matter of when....
"First rounders need to be starters" Jerry Jones.
Go Philadelphia Flyers!!!!
Boyzfan94's irrational dislike > than any logic
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Jun 3, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions
There is plenty of prozack for you guys when Crayton is cut don't worry... :)
"First rounders need to be starters" Jerry Jones.
Go Philadelphia Flyers!!!!
thats not saying much when the holes where the size of Grand Canyons...
How many fair catches he have again?
He lost he PR duties already. Thats not the reason he is still here. He is still here for insurance against injury and that only….
"First rounders need to be starters" Jerry Jones.
Go Philadelphia Flyers!!!!
I think Bradie summed it up best
Anybody can look good in shells – wait until you get pads on to see what they can do before you anoint any rookies (paraphrase)
The point I am making is timing is not right to release PC this early. He will prove himself worthy in TC or he can be released without any cost. TS if Patrick is not happy to move on short notice. The rookies can look like dynamite but if they fumble those fair catches they will not be doing it. I assume the decision to fair catch is done by formula and judgment, the formula being laid out by his coach. I would much rather a sure catch then amazing yardage leading to a fumble. Remember Bill Parcells taught on punt return difficulties his first year because he said so few guys can actually catch the ball in the heat of the moment.
First: Dez Bryant and AOA were both drafted to add explosiveness to our return game. Also, there is precedent for rookies not being able to return punts. For instance, just look at how exceptional Desean Jackson and Percy Harvin have been in their young careers.
Second: It is interesting you would bring up Greg Ellis since Anthony Spencer’s play has certainly justified the Cowboys decision to move on from him. Also, I honestly have always thought Crayton was more of a me-first guy than he let on. Just look at his propensity to trash talk and make bold words (remember him telling everyone how the Cowboys would get another shot at the Patriots). You don’t usually see that in a great team-first guy. I also think his recent actions (staying away from OTAs while Spears and Hurd attend) certainly have revealed his true colors.
Finally: I understand that Crayton has experience, but if you look at a lot of the Cowboys most recent great moves they usually involve moving on from veterans to young players (Ellis to Spencer, Henry/Pacman to Jenkins). Youth, while it comes with some question marks, is not inherently bad by any means. Also, when you look down the line, we have Bryant and Ogletree. Both are guys that should excel in the slot and keeping Crayton around for this year will take reps and experience from those guys.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
I take it these were posted as responses to me
First: The rookies might be terrific right away and we don’t need the insurance. But if not (say fumble-prone) then there is not place to go.
Second: Greg Ellis was retained another year and that is my point with Patrick – after this year there is little likelihood of retention. here is even some chance they prove themselves in training camp and Patrick can be released. I assume you think Ray Lewis is not a team-first guy? (No, I don’t like the guy but he fills a role for his team that is vital.) No doubt you can think of others. Patrick’s comments have never bothered me. He is no TO and he has reportedly maintained the respect and support of his teammates so inferring something else from his bold talk seems a stretch. Staying away from OTAs seems foolish to me but it is not uncommon around the league. If he stays away from mandatory stuff then it sets up a more difficult situation for him. But he knows the offense. Romo knows how to find him. His staying away is not likely hurting the team but only himself. It is not reported this way but most such moves are directed by the player agent.
Finally: Again the rookies may make Patrick obsolete in training camp. If so, they can cut him at the end. I actually hope this is the case as I have long supported not stopping progress here. But dumping him now before you even know if they are ready seems hasty and knee-jerk and the Cowboys, having not released him yet, might agree.
Just to clarify, I am not saying the Cowboys should just straight release Patrick Crayton right away. I think it would be best for business to let him hang around and actually make sure our young guys can show up and do their job. However, my larger point is that if Dallas does choose to release him, I will certainly trust their judgement due to our success with moving on to younger players from older players,
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Jun 2, 2010 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
If Patrick Crayton was a pimple on Amani Toomer's ass....
The Cowboys would’ve at least hosted the ‘08 NFC Title Game. You’ll remember Toomer as the wily veteran who made Roy Williams and Greg Ellis look like they were skating on crisco and displaying the tackling prowess of Gumby dammit. See, that’s what an impact no. 2 receiver does in the playoffs; not what Crayton did in that very same game.
Now I don’t necessarily begrudge him for being pissed that he’s the odd man out despite outperforming overpaid non-entity Roy Williams. On other hand, he has to understand it’s just business, baby. Besides Jerry taking a last stab out of getting something out of Roy, I like promoting the much sleeker and younger Ogletree over Crayton.
Man, you take a little time off...and look what happens
Everyone goes Ape-$h1T over cutting the 2nd most productive WR on the team just because Dallas drafted a WR 1st.
I think everybody needs to calm down and let training camp tell us who stays and who goes.
And just remember this, if Dallas lets Crayton go, they will have exactly ONE WR on this team who has demonstrated any sort of chemistry with Romo.
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RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Jun 1, 2010 1:10 AM CDT up reply actions
You must be melancholy after ND lost the LaCrosse title to Duke...
which could be causing this uncontrollable reflex agreement thing.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
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"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Ya, and Payton Manning couldn't complete a pass after Harrison left
and how did Farve complete a single pass last year, or the year before? This is strange to me, I usually agree with you.
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