One Man's View of Dallas' 2010 Draft
Last year about this time, I chastised the Cowboys front office (namely Jerry and Cisky) for such a horrible job of using their draft picks to get value and find talented understudy players for the offensive line, defensive line and secondary. I ridiculed their foolish and feeble responses about “drafting for special teams” and wanting to “wash out” the bottom of the roster when asked about their strategy. I was angry about passing on will Beatty and Loadholt last year. I loved Sammie Lee Hill, Dorell Scott and Vaughn Martin, but Dallas thought otherwise. I really liked Mike Wallace and Brandon Tate, but obviously Jerry and Cisky didn’t. Even without a #1 last year, I really POUNDED on the Dallas brass for what I called a largely “wasted draft class”.
You can breathe easy, because this year, I am not going to do that.
I think Dallas made some shrewd moves in this draft. I also think they went over the falls on a couple of choices. To get a true view of how things went…and maybe should have went, let’s break this down pick-by-pick.
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Dez Bryant: moving up to get Bryant was risky…but I LOVE RISKY! The draft shouldn’t be about always taking the guy everyone thinks you’re supposed to take. Jimmy Johnson made a living off of taking players no one thought he would take. Sure, you don’t want to be the Raiders or Bengals, but you don’t want to be robotic about judging character, skill and passion for this game, either. Clearly, this move will define the draft for Dallas as time goes on. But out of the gate, I love this pick.
Alternatives: had Dallas stayed at #27, Jared Odrick, Devin McCourty and Kyle Wilson were there. I would have been fine with Odrick since I am not a fan of our DE’s, but I applaud the move Dallas made to go up.
Grade: A+ but only because this is a boom or bust move. Dallas should be doing the same things with their O-line. Remember when people derided the Bigg signing?
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Sean Lee: This one ticked me off a lot at the time, and while I’ve calmed down a bit, this was where I thought Dallas lost out on what could have been a tremendous draft. Don’t get me wrong. I like Sean Lee. He is a high character guy with good tackling skills and, when healthy (which is another story altogether), fits the Wade 3-4 ILB spot nicely. But here’s my gripe; he’s been a durability concern with his knee at a position that wasn’t worth taking THAT risk at in THIS slot. They also gave up too much to get up there. In hindsight, I saw a lot of options with what we gave away to move up here. Now, Lee may stop the revolving door of thirty-something’s playing next to Bradie James. Lord knows I want Barbie gone and Jason Williams (from last year’s wasted draft) obviously isn’t instilling confidence in the coaches. But this was not the right pick at the right time.
Alternatives: Morgan Burnett, Vlad Ducasse and Terrence Cody were all on the board at # 59. Any of them would have been a better pick and contributed sooner to a team with needs at those spots.
Grade: D+ and although this guy could turn out to be a ten-year starter, ILB isn’t a position that will prove to be the reason we do (or don’t) progress further in the playoffs in future years. Talent and depth issues at OL, DL and Safety have and will continue to plague this team in big games and there were good options up there for Dallas at this spot.
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Akwasi Owusu-Ansah: AOA is supposedly going to play a “redshirt” season while Dallas attempts to take the very athletic DB from a very small school and coach him up to be a free safety. Okay, this may turn out to be a good long term plan, but they just passed up on Burnett and unless Wade is truly comfortable with Alan Ball trying to help out on Desean Jackson and Mario Manningham, Dallas is in real trouble. Think about this – how many times did you see Wade and Campo yelling at each other last year when the center fielder was out of position? Well, that was with a wily veteran back there and if Ball starts, those sideline displays will become the new ‘Real Coaches of the Dallas Cowboys’ reality TV series. But wait, here’s the thing…if Dallas can bring in a vet to help play a one or two-year stopgap, then I think this could turn out to be a very good pick. In fact, this could turn out better than when the Jags picked Rashean Mathis. The more I think about it, the more I love this pick.
Alternatives: Jason Fox, Reshad Jones and Cam Thomas all still available when Dallas picked…as stated, I really like AOA’s athleticism, but he may turn out to be productive only after Dallas’ window with this core group of players has started to close.
Grade: A- which is contingent upon the fact that I think Dallas will sign a vet and AOA could become something special in time.
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Sam Young: Really? In the aftermath of a playoff run where Dallas’ Offensive line again proved to be the weak link on a team trying to make a statement to the rest of the NFC, THIS was the best they could come up with? This guy was inconsistent at best during his career and got beaten like a rented mule by guys who will never play in the NFL. In his defense, he had questionable coaching, but this guy was a huge disappointment at Notre Dame. I know people will want to say “whoever you liked wasn’t high on their board” or “they must know better than you”. Possibly, but remember, I’m the guy that said “WHISKY TANGO FOXTROT” when Jason Williams was picked ahead of Will Beatty last year when people said the same thing. One year later, Beatty has a bright future with the G-men and Williams is seeing his replacement being drafted in this year’s second round. Maybe they don’t know better. How badly does that mess with your mind?
Alternatives: Kyle Calloway (mainly because I like the way Iowa linemen approach the game…nasty), but come on, it’s the 6th round. You can’t expect much at this point. I question the strategy here, more than the pick itself. Young may have been selected just to appease the fans.
Grade: C+ and the plus is for picking SOMEONE that plays a position along the OL.
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Jamar Wall: This was the biggest head-scratcher for me…not because I have anything against wall, but more because he, unlike AOA, hasn’t displayed the athleticism to make the transition from the heavy zone schemes he played in college.
Alternatives: with J’Marcus Webb, George Selvie and Selvish Capers still on the board, it’s hard to make sense of a guy who is a better fit for Tampa’s or Indy’s back half schemes. Heck, if CB was a target spot, why not take Syd’Quan Thompson? At least he looks like a press cover corner.
Grade: D for dumbfounded.
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Sean Lissemore: At this point in the draft, you’re generally talking about camp bodies. These are the coffee grounds of the NFL draft. Can you imagine, back in the day, when the draft went to for 5 and 6 more rounds? And with pick number 1,473, the Saint Louis Cardinals select…Joe Momma from P.U. Okay, on to Lissemore, on a roster as talented as the one Dallas sports, it’s hard to believe that Lissemore would supplant a Jason Hatcher or a Stephen Bowen. But then again, the NFL is all about injuries.
Alternatives: whatever!
Grade: See Alternatives!
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Overall, Dallas gets a solid B from me. The Bryant and AOA picks were awe-inspiring. The Lee and Wall picks just didn’t add up to me. Strategically, it’s unthinkable to me that Dallas wouldn’t look to create a young talent base along the O-line. Look at draft history to see who teams pick and whether they turn out to start for that team or not. Dallas has struggled to find starters from its draft classes since Tuna’s last draft. Bryant looks like a lock to start at some point (nobody will sit still for a player wearing #88 on the bench!) and then who knows about AOA’s ability to move to safety and Lee’s durability? The rest of the group is pedestrian. Nonetheless, even if you dump the 1st pick for comparison’s sake, this is a better draft, pick for pick, than the 2009 version and hopefully, it portends more good things to come for the OL and DB’s as camp cuts start to mount.
GO COWBOYS!!!
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Not as critical as I thought you would be
Though I still disagree on certain aspect :)
Especially Lissemore. I think you underestimate the value 7th round picks can have. We’ve got a pretty good 7th round DT already don’t you know.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
+1
I was suprised. I think I gave them a B when I did my grades.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 3, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Are you betting on lightning striking twice?
And yes, I was sure you’d love the Sam Young pick.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
To be honest
You graded the Young pick higher than I would have. Nothing I saw from him at ND suggested to me that he has NFL potential. But hopefully I’m wrong.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on May 3, 2010 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Being a Domer, that doesn't bode well for Young...
Was his coaching as bad as people say?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Charlie Weis coached him
and he is meant to be football smart. He has solid technique in drill work but it vanishes during real games. He gets killed by speed rushers and isn’t a good enough athlete to be viewed as a project with high upside.
That being said, he has started more games for ND than any other player in school history, so he has experience. However athletic limitations and an inability to transfer proper technique onto the field make it seem like a wasted pick. He has the ceiling of a guy like Proctor, but can only play RT. I do not understand the logic behind the pick.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on May 4, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I truly think it was intended to appease the pundits
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
you're wrong on this
“Morgan Burnett, Vlad Ducasse and Terrence Cody were all on the board at # 59. Any of them would have been a better pick and contributed sooner to a team with needs at those spots.”
I think you’re absolutely wrong here.
Ducasse wouldn’t contribute for a year minimum, and apparently the Dallas scouts felt he was a 4th round grade (but we’re not the best at grading OL). Still though, that guy would be unlikely to see the field. Would he provide depth in case Columbo’s play falls off? sure, but the idea of going with a 4th round grade OL over a 1st round grade ilb is nuts.
Cody is a part time player, in no way is he worth more than Lee, thats ridiculous. Especially when you consider wade’s scheme is different from the normal two gap 3-4 that Cody will play.
Lee is likely to be a full time starter very soon. Burnett possibly could have made a bigger difference sooner, but I think the AOA pick makes up for that. Given this coaching staff’s hesitancy to play rookies, I think its unlikely a rookie safety would see the field over Ball, who we seem to like.
I think most cowboy fans severely underrated our need for a quality inside linebacker in this draft. Look at our roster, and I doubt anyone other than Jason WIlliams is left in 2 years. If Bradie or Bobby are still on the roster then, that would be a pretty big disappointment.
Other than that, I agree, although I feel its worth mentioning that we should’ve considered trading up for bulaga, in a move that would’ve made more sense than picking Ducasse for sure.
overall though
another really good post. I enjoy reading your stuff blings.
Thanks
On Ducasse, if you don’t draft OL talent earlier in the draft, you end up with a bunch of Pat McQuistans blocking for some of the best skill players in the game and you get what Dallas has gotten in the last decade and a half; disaster in meaningful games against teams with good pass rushes. Obviously, Ducasse was thought of more highly by other teams. Maybe rating OL talent isn’t this scouting department’s forte’?
Cody went to a team that is known for playing a much more aggressive run defense than Dallas. Can you imaging Cody lined up with Haloti Ngata? Scary.
Saying Burnett wouldn’t play is a stretch. Ball is a long TD waiting to happen.
You’re right about one thing…most (okay, all) Cowboys fans didn’t have a ILB in the first two rounds of any mock and if they had, would have gotten an earful because of it.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
you go based on your evaluations
if they rated ducassee a 4th rounder, then taking him in the 3rd would be a reach. if he was there in the 4th and we didn’t take him, then that’s another story. we have reached for OL men in the draft in the past and didn’t turn out so good.
by CowboysFanatic on May 3, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
If we had Ducasse ranked high, I would agree
Cody will need someone to whip him into shape or you’re looking at a part time defensive player.
And I agree on Burnett – out of the three you listed, he would likely fight for a starting spot. And we
I love everything I’m hearing on Dez, but I think a trade up for bulaga would’ve been more prudent, even if we had to give up next years 2nd round pick. We had one major, serious need, and he would’ve filled it.
I would give the draft a B+
I just find it hard to give it an A without OL being addresed. I may change my tune if we pick up any guys after cuts.
insert,,,alex barron here....
woman, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart! lol
Not knowing what Free gives us at LT
…and with Buehler as the kicker, I’d say it was 3 needs.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Free might not be known to us as a LT ... but the staff watches him in practice against Ware
… I’ll defer to the coaches here.
And since there was not one Kicker taken in the draft, I guess you could say we didn’t reach?
It’s hard to argue with the BPA approach, especially on a team with “merely” depth issues. It would be very hard for even a 1st round O-Lineman to start this year. I think we need to start planning for the future, but your own argument has revolved around this “window of opportunity” idea, and O-Line can’t be fixed in the ST.
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Wait a minute
did you see what Ware had to say about Free?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
yes
Ware said that free was a little quicker and harder to get around than flozell. maybe not as powerful but he is got a lot more quickness to him.
by CowboysFanatic on May 3, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
The sad part is.
Not only were those guys still there at 59 , but we still could have kept the pick in the 4th that they traded to move up . Even then AOA would have been there in the 4th as well if they still wanted him since they had two.
That's an excellent point!
So…why didn’t I make it?
Grrrrrrrrrrr.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I had a similar reaction to the Lee pick
and the main reason was that it caught me totally off guard. I had never expected us to take a linebacker, much less with the 2nd pick. I hadn’t even looked at any LB prospects, so when the name was called I said, Sean Who???
But the pick is growing on me. The more I see and hear about this guy, the happier I’m becoming, and the more I’ve looked at the LB situation the more convinced I’ve become that this was actually a sound move.
I am also quite taken with the Lissemore pick. Ever since quincyyyyy pointed him out in one of his highly anticipated posts I’ve had my eye on him, and if he is indeed able to spell Rat, he’ll be the steal of this draft.
Nice write up, Blings.
by One.Cool.Customer on May 3, 2010 1:12 AM CDT reply actions
I may have been one of the few on here who was not annoyed with the Lee pick when it happened
He really stood out to me at the combine with how fluid he was and his balance. I, too, was not anticipating a very high pick on ILB, particularly one who is not the “thumper” type that Jerry told the fanbase they may consider drafting. But most people swept that comment under the rug. Now, I would have questioned picking him in the 1st round and I did have some trepidation about trading up to get him with other prospects who seemingly were graded on the WWW in the same range as Lee at positions of more obvious need. However, it is a little narrow minded, imo, to be so beholden to positional need that it skews your evaluation of the player.
Personally, if the draft broke a different way and Dallas traded back into the early 2nd round to take Lee, I would have been fine with the pick. The disappointment, and a valid one, is in not finding a way to select a high upside offensive lineman. I did not like the Young pick and I, too, really question the Wall pick, but understand looking at need in the 6th round. Wall did not quell any anxiety during the mini-camp.
Really?
You’re going to need to explain those comments about Lee to me.
I went back and watched the Combine workout and it appeared to me that he was still kind of working through the rehab process. In fact, I thought he kind of stunk it up at Indy. You could say he ran well at 4.74, but he’s not a heavy ILB and won’t run at that speed with 10 more pounds on him.
He wasn’t in the top 10 in any drill except the vertical jump.
So again, how did he stand out to you at the Combine?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
you literally must be blind
because from what I saw Lee looked really good at the combine, showed extreme quickness in all the drills and ran very well.
He also a 4.5 at his pro day.
In Romo we Trust
I think Jared Odrick ran a 4.5 at that very same pro day
For someone who says they don’t look at the Combine or those types of workouts, you sure change your tune when it comes to players you support.
But then again, I’m used to that from you.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
It is part of Terry's charm
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
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Gotta love him
He is consistently inconsistent.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I never said I didn't watch them
Actually, I said they’re fun to watch, my point is that the vast majority of the drills are useless when attempting to translate whether a guy can play or not.
When I’m watching them, I’m looking for fast twitch athletes, could care less what the results are and how they rank among their peers.
In Romo we Trust
Lee looked fast twtich to you?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Honestly, I can't find a write-up on Lee that suggests he is a fast twitch guy
Chris Johnson is fast twitch. Desean Jackson is fast twitch. Kevin Ogletree looks fast twitch.
Nothing about Sean Lee looks fast twitch.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Then so should Cody
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Cody
is unrelated to the argument about Lee.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on May 6, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions
It was a JOKE!!!
Argghh!
Obviously, Notre Dame doesn’t offer classes in comedic excellence.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Comedic excellence?
hmm… if you say so.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on May 6, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I have 20-18 vision, TYVM
Maybe the crud in the PA air clouded your TV and you thought Sean Witherspoon was Sean Lee?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Oh, do you have Agoraphobia?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I'll try to explain 5Blings...
As you read, I mentioned that his fluidity and balance impressed me. The positional drills were really what should out to me in comparison to his contemporaries. I really did not go into the combine with any expectation of drafting lb. I watched the lb workouts mostly for Spikes as I thought he could be a possibility. But, watching drill after drill, Sean Lee stood out as someone who had no to minimal missteps, good change of direction, excellent form on his drops.
On a related note, I don’t know how seriously I can take a grading format that would assign a grade of D+ to that pick, regardless of the injury concerns, perceived strength a the position at the pro level, or what they ultimately gave up in the deal (mid 2nd move on even the more aggressive traded picks charts which assign more value to those picks than the conventional one publicized for years).
You could potentially consider it a one round reach at the peak of pessimism, perhaps.
The grade isn't solely about the player, it's about who they passed on and what they gave up to get him.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Who knows?
None of them had a serious knee injury.
One of them played Free safety and did so with aplomb. Something no one on the current Cowboys roster can say.
One of them was the NT on the best defense in College Football.
One of them was one of your pet cats.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
so what??
That doesn’t mean any of them will be better players than Lee, it’s all speculation, but if I’m going to speculate, I’m going to speculate based off the opinion and evaluations of one of the very best scouts in the league…Tom Ciskowski.
In Romo we Trust
How come you never speculate based on the opinions of more accomplished talent evaluators who aren't employed by the Cowboys?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
You both are looking at it from the wrong standpoint.
There is not a wrong and right answer, or at least one that can be evaluated in 1 year or sometimes even 2 years.
Even the best of GM’s and evaluators mess up.
Your both basiclly just reading what someone else wrote and making your own assumptions. Lets just enjoy the ride and find out shall we?
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 3, 2010 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Where's the fun in that?!?!
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Oh don't get me wrong, I love reading grades.
But the argument you two are having on which GM’s are right… well you’ll see about that pretty soon I guess. You can both say “well look at this guy” to justify your argument. Doesn’t make one any more wrong or right.
I do find it funny though, that Terry has a full love fest with the Cowboys scouting department and has full faith in them, but before hand was super critical of Dez Bryant.
That’s like having your cake and eating it too.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 3, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
As I said...
Consistently Inconsistent.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I don't agree with everything you say.
But I will say that you stay consistent.
I do think that Jerry, while you pretty much hate him, has done better after the Parcells era.
Are there still boneheaded decisions? Sure, but it seems like there are more calculations done and there are at least as many hits as misses.
That being said, like you I’m still concerned about the O-Line. Not the starters as much as the depth.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 3, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Although...
you agree that if Free struggles, then your confidence in the starters may be misplaced?
Or is that really a question of who dallas signs to back Free up?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Sure.
I’ll admit that.
If he struggles all year I’ll definitly be wondering.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 3, 2010 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions
What if he gets hurt and misses time?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Then too.
I said I wondered about Dallas’s depth, so I think that kind of covered that.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 4, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Cowboys scouting department didn't draft Bryant
Jerry Jones did. I never said he wasn’t a great prospect, I didn’t like him because he wasn’t clean enough for me, but Jerry’s a risk taker.
In Romo we Trust
So Jerry doesn't use his scouting department?
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 3, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions
absolutely
however, he makes the decision who to draft. He’s got all the information and advise, but Jerry pulls the trigger.
In Romo we Trust
So do you think the scouts advised Jerry not to get Dez Bryant?
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 3, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Ohhhh, I was there...
Cisky: “Jerry, let’s move up and get Bryan Bulaga”
Jerry: (whispering to Wade) “and then I said, you think Tiger was wild, well you aint seen Stephen at the Pro Bowl. The man’s a walking hard on”"
Cisky: “Jerry, let’s go up and get B.B.”
Jerry: (calling in the pick) “Okay, we take D.B.”
Card Runner at Radio City: “D.B., yes sir!”
Cisky: “JERRY!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO”
Jerry: “What?”
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
no, I don't think they advise him of anything
Coaches, yes, I think the scouts just present the evaluations.
In Romo we Trust
How do you think it works, Terry?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Scouts present the evaluations.
Ciskowski, the Coaches and Company make the board according the schemes and talent available.
Jerry pulls the trigger according to the information.
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Seems pretty reasonable
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by accidental innuendo on May 4, 2010 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Well the scouts had Brayant as the highest rated player still on the board.
So technically JJ went with who the scouts had rated the highest.
KICK ASS every day!!!
Terry thinks Jerry listens to no one
Who knows for sure?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
thats not true at all
actually I think Jerry lately has been listening to his scouts, coaches and son Stephen a lot more and has been going by Ciskowski’s board which is why we’ve drafted well the past several years.
In Romo we Trust
thats a load of crap
our scouting department seemed very fond of him. He was 11th on our board
Terry
The scouts had Dez rated in the top half of the 1st rd. The draft board clearly shows it.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
I was thinking Ozzie Newsome or Jerry Reese
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
AJ Smith
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
Although he's major a-hole
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
True
Almost as bad as Bill Polian
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on May 3, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Polian has a right to be a jerk, he has a bling
AJ has bupkiss.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
so your saying we should follow another team's board?
I’ll go with Ciskowski over Newsome and Reese any day.
In Romo we Trust
Yes, we know that...
but WHY?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
well lets see
Spencer, Felix Jones, Mike Jenkins, Orlando Scandrick, Tashard Choice, Bennett (yeah yeah yeah I know), Free, deon anderson, allan ball, victor butler, john phillips, and probably jason williams. that’s not a bad track record. he was also part of the team when we drafted ware, spears, rat, barber, crayton, etc.
that’s not a bad track record. newsome ain’t god. he is a good GM, but not god. he also has his share of misses.
Reese…seriously….you can’t be.
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't give him credit for Tuna's drafts
Reese is very highly regarded. In fact, they may be one of the two or three best drafting teams in the league since he got there.
“Newsome ain’t God.”
Well, I just can’t find words that do any sort of response to that kind of intellectual discourse justice.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
they made up for that
by shelling out some 50 million or more for guys who performed horribly. As did the Eagles last offseason.
Hmmmm
Let’s just compare drafts from 2007 on…
The 2007 draft for the G-men included Aaron Ross, Steve Smith, Jay Alford, Zak DeOssie, Kevin Boss, Adam Koets, Michael Johnson and Ahmad Bradshaw. That rookie class helped them mightily on their way to BLING. 3 Starters.
Our keepers that same year? Spencer, Free, Cricket and Alan Ball. 2 starters.
In 2008, they got Kenny Phillips, Terrell Thomas, Mario Manningham, Bryan Kehl and Jonathan Goff. 3 Starters.
With two #1’s we got Felix, Jenkins, Telly B, Choice and Scandrick. 1 starter.
In 2009, they drafted Hakeem Nicks, Clint Sintim, Will Beatty (hurt me to type that), Ramses Barden (who got hurt) and Travis Beckum. 2 starters.
We got Jason Williams, Pudgy Brewster, McGee, Vic Butler, Brandon Williams, Hamlin, Buehler and Phillips. 1 Starter if you count Buehler I guess.
Them: 8 starters
Us: 4 starters
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Cowboys have 7 starters there, not 4
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on May 5, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Even using your misguided focus on "starters"
Our keepers that same year? Spencer, Free, Cricket and Alan Ball. 2 starters.
Spencer, Free and Ball will all be starters in 2010.
With two #1’s we got Felix, Jenkins, Telly B, Choice and Scandrick. 1 starter.
Feliz and Jenkins both start, so again you have miss counted.
In 2009, they drafted Hakeem Nicks, Clint Sintim, Will Beatty (hurt me to type that), Ramses Barden (who got hurt) and Travis Beckum. 2 starters.
We got Jason Williams, Pudgy Brewster, McGee, Vic Butler, Brandon Williams, Hamlin, Buehler and Phillips. 1 Starter if you count Buehler I guess.
You know that it is far too early to even begin to judge this draft class.
So even if you used the flawed number of starters argument (which for some reason you tend to favour) we match the Giants and the “mighty” Reese.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on May 6, 2010 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Hang on
Ball hasn’t started yet and lots of people on this blog hope he never has to.
On 2009, who says when it’s okay to judge a draft class. The early results are in.
Nicks looks like a beast. Sintim is the stud I thought he would be. We’ve talked about Beatty.
Where’s the beef?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Considering
half our draft class was injured, and we didn’t have a first round pick (an instant impact guy) it is completely unreasonable to compare our 2009 draft class to that of the Giants. As I said, half of them haven’t even played a game yet.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on May 6, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
yet
its not about quantity. its about quality. Spencer is much better than all those you listed for the giants. Kevin Boss!! are you kidding me? you also have to see the impact of the players on the game and that’s what you so conviniently didn’t address. in that same span I wonder how many starters did detroit or Rams draft? I bet you its more than 4. does that make them better than us.
You can’t dismiss the impact of Jenkins, Spencer, Jones compared to steve smith, manningham, boss.
I agree on the beatty pick. he was my pet cat
by CowboysFanatic on May 6, 2010 7:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Excellent point ...
I expect a classic 5Blings change of subject or non-sequitur …
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
How about those Mavericks???
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Too soon dude.
That one still stings pretty bad.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Dump Dirk
Petition starts here…
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Not in a million years.
Its not his fault that Carlisle refused to play Beaubois or that Terry decided to be a complete no show on both ends of the court or that Marion couldn’t be counted on for much more than the occasional lay-up or that Dampier got more playing time than the superior Haywood or that Caron Butler doesn’t understand what it means to go to the hole consistently and would rather take long jump shots when we already have the best long jump shooter in the game.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
I find it funny
that this actually worked.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on May 6, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Couldn't resist.
Too much pent up anger after that series.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Well, on Beatty's case...
He started some games (4) because the starter, McKenzie, struggled due to injuries… And McKenzie is expected to regain his starter status in the offseason…
So, because Beatty started 4 games he’s counted as a starter… Meanwhile, players like Bennett (13 starts), Scandrick (6 starts), Phillips (4 starts), Ball (3 starts), Choice (3 starts) and Felix (1 start) are just guys because they aren’t starters… Even though they have shown starting quality when they have been forced to start…
Mmmmh, something tells me that the judge isn’t impartial…
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
No one on a blog is impartial, but that's another post altogether.
If someone is trying to tell me that Dallas has drafted as well as the G-men since 2007, then you’re right. Impartiality has been thrown out the window.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
we haven't drafted as well
we have drafted better…. :)
by CowboysFanatic on May 6, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Truthfully
Dallas has drafted as well if not better. I’ll take Spencer, Jenkins, Felix, and now Dez against any 4 guys you want to pick from the Midgets drafts.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
+1
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on May 7, 2010 6:08 AM CDT up reply actions
He also had logic on his side
If that’s important.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on May 8, 2010 3:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Is that Notre Dame logic?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Call it what you want
but changing the subject isn’t really making a valid counter-point.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on May 9, 2010 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Says the Cowboys fan
What would the guys over on the NYG side say?
Better yet, what would the BGN people say?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Because BGN
can always be relied upon for logical unbiased arguments?
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on May 9, 2010 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for making my point better than anything I could have said
…as they probably see you as just as big an biased, ten-gallon-hat-wearing, half-ton-driving, slow-talking Cowboys homer.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
you seem to admire him so
so I just thought I add an adjective or two :)
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Rat Is An Island
We have nothing ready to go should Rat go down and he is being asked to play at 110 plus percent; so the Cody pick would have been attractive.
I think they'd move Igor over to NT if Rat was out for an extended period
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
APS, I think they tried Igor at NT in Sd and he floundered...
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Ah, didn't know that
He sure looks like a NT. Strong like bull.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on May 3, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions
no it wouldn't
if you need to give rat 10 reps off during the game. draft someone in the lat3er rounds. wait a minute. that’s what we did. plus I didn’t like cody.
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Here's what New Era said about Lee
“He had to sit out the 2008 season after tearing his right ACL. The injury knocked him out for 15 months and has somewhat limited his lateral agility.”
Maybe he’s not as fluid and balanced with pads on?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
of course a player coming off a recent ACL injury
is going to be initially limited in lateral ability, but two years removed there isn’t a problem.
If you watched him run drills at the combine, you’d see his lateral agility was really good.
In Romo we Trust
Most Players These Days Fully Recover
From an ACL tear after two years. Thirty years ago, it would end a player’s career. Now, it’s just an extended interruption to their careers.
I agree with the majority of your points.
I loved the Dez and AOA picks. Absolute great value in both instances in my opinion and they both can add to our return game while developing at their respective positions.
The Sean Lee pick riled me up at first since we took a lot of LBs next year, but I have also come around a bit. He can be Jason Williams’s partner in crime and he seems to be a very instinctive linebacker. My complaint is in the same area as yours since I would have loved to get Morgan Burnett there (although that would have possibly kept us from picking AOA so maybe we win anyway) or maybe an offensive lineman to help our unquestionable biggest depth concern. Of course since then our board has been leaked so I suppose that I completely understand how they managed the draft, but it definitely was initially confusing at the time.
As for the last three picks, I feel pretty good about Wall and Lissemore. I like Lissemore’s athleticism and his comparison to Rat so I feel in retrospect he was a good flier in the seventh since the potential payout is quite large. As for Wall, I liked the scouting reports I initially read since they seemed to highlight his experience on an island in the Big 12 and his physicality as a former RB. Now of course it seems clear that Wall has struggled in rookie camp, but I still have hopes that he can turn it around and at least turn into an Alan Ball type who can be a good 4th corner with some physicality and maybe a special teams ace.
The one player who I have left out to this point is Sam Young. That is pretty much because I think it was and will be a bad pick. He doesn’t have the feet I like for a tackle according to scouting reports and in the time I watched him at Notre Dame I was consistently underwhelmed by his level of play considering his top recruit status. I would love for him to prove me wrong, but I see it quite doubtful that he can make it in the NFL as a tackle with poor athleticism. Thankfully though, I actually do have some hope for Mike Tepper and Will Barker as UDFAs. They both come from good programs and were considered draftable by many scouts. I really don’t think it is unreasonable for one of them to stick on the roster as a possible RT of the future.
Overall, I certainly agree with your final grade considering a B was my exact grade as well.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Wall is a bust
I see stiff hips and the ability to play the ball only when it is in front of him.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Well those were similar knocks to Alan Ball.
I am a fan of Dallas bringing in CBs just about every year and I think Wall’s legacy is far from written based off of one rookie camp. I am not saying he will be great or even good, but it is not even OTAs so I think calling a player a “bust” is way premature.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on May 3, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
I have never been called "premature" in my life, TYVM
Now F15, on the other hand, I cannot speak for.
:-)
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I agree/disagree w/ your post
Dez – I agree, he is a baller
Sean Lee- completely disagree now, before I did think it was like WTF y not Burnett? But now after thinking about it and seeing how Williams and Lee will become our ILB for the future I have grown on the pick, and also despite how I originally thought of a player, I don’t have the resources NFL scouts or the experience in judging talent and they had him in their top 15
AOA – could be a gamechanger, same opinion
Sam Young – I don’t like the pick, still don’t really but again like w/ Lee, gotta go w/ their pick on it
Jamar Wall – I do like what he can bring to ST and as a 4th corner
Lissemore – love this pick, he has a great set of tools and a great motor, for a 7th rounder what else do you want?
Thats why I said A, using my homer-vision I can see at least 4 sticking for awhile
by nicholas.rodriguez on May 3, 2010 1:59 AM CDT reply actions
A? Really?
Yeah, I have no response to that.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
If you get 3 starting players
1 w/ potential to be an All-Pro and at least 1 backup, you have found 4 players and is the goal in every draft… how is it not an A when you get 4 players? Stop trying to act like you know more about these prospects than the Cowboys scouts do, they scout for a living and have infinitely more resources than we do so you can say that Burnett was there, or Ducasse in the 2nd round yet they had Burnett as a 3rd rounder and Ducasse as a 4th rounder while Lee was a 1st rounder, his knee was checked out by the Cowboys trainers some who have been there for 20 years, they would know if it could become and issue. You also undervalue Wall, he is a very strong corner that excels in press coverage and getting to rough up the WRs a bit. Young was inconsistent but they saw some tools that they could mold as well.
by nicholas.rodriguez on May 3, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions
The simple answer
They bust on more picks than I do. I bet they bust on more than you do too.
I wonder how Quincyyyy’s highly anticipated mocks do against the Cowboys?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
It's this kind of arrogance that leaves me wanting to debate you :)
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
DL...
Honestly, If I told you the first 2 picks would be Bryant and Lee, what would your reaction have been?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Well, at least not by me
What do they say?
A legend in his own mind?
:-)
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
are you kidding?
you surely jest with this last comment.
by CowboysFanatic on May 3, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
I have a hard time thinking they bust on picks more than we do
by nicholas.rodriguez on May 3, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Why?
We need OCC to track that stuff.
Isn’t that what we pay him for????
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
ha ha ha, I wish
but on a completely unrelated note, I don’t check in for a day and there’s 400 unread comments in this post????!!!!
Blings, you have been one.busy.customer.
by One.Cool.Customer on May 4, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions
BTB is like a vitamin
You need to be on it every day.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Absolutely not true
Under Wade, the drafting has been good, if not great.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
Pfffttt
Here we go again.
If you can find a way to compare dallas to other teams for the 2007, 2008 and 2009 drafts that shows they been good (or great), I’m your huckleberry…
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Real nice work, 5Blings ... Rec'd
I’d like to see a follow-up to your thoughts on the 2009 draft … NEXT off-season.
I’m curious to see how our 2009 draft looks after another year, and it would be interesting to see how your own pet-cats from last year have fared. I remember your frustration last year … but only time will tell the whole story.
As for this write-up, as the eternal optimist, I don’t totally agree with your assessments, though you’re probably closer to realistic on these guys than I am … then again, the Cowboys staff is on my side of the ledger :)
Dez – agree
Lee – you seem to miss the BPA point … the Cowboys were REALLY high on this guy. They also didn’t value any of your pet-cats nearly as high as you were hoping. Only time will tell, but I disagree that a quality ILB can’t be a difference-maker.
AOA – basically agree
Young – your whole Beatty/Williams argument is still premature – and we didn’t just draft his replacement … as for Young, while he’s not about to become our future LT (by the way, we have one, his name is Free, a guy you most likely panned :) … if Young can be the future at RT, then he’s a value in the 6th. Again, I defer to our front office.
Wall – I tend to agree with you, but time will tell
Lissimore – I totally disagree with you here, as this guy looks like a real find in the 7th … or at the very least he shows the potential to give Rat more rest. Not sure why you’re calling him camp fodder for DE when he’s competing for DT.
Overall, great work … rec’d
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
+1
I agree with everything you just wrote.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on May 3, 2010 3:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Lissimore – I totally disagree with you here, as this guy looks like a real find in the 7th … or at the very least he shows the potential to give Rat more rest. Not sure why you’re calling him camp fodder for DE when he’s competing for DT.
That’s because he’s in love with size… Lissemore’s size makes you think of a younger (lighter) Ratliff… Which in the opinion of 5Blings is the size of a 3-4 DE, not a NT… No matter how well he plays the position…
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
He's essentially correct
I’m not a fan of lighter NT’s.
I am always worried about Rat’s durability and have lobbied for a heavier guy to anchor the nose (like every other 3-4 team looks for).
Wade will reap what he sows here.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Blings, this is where your bias trumps your objectivity ...
Wade’s ALREADY reaped what he sowed here; you simply can’t argue with Rat’s performance at NT.
The other area I think you’re having a hard time removing your bias glasses is with the alternatives for Lee. Burnett is trumped by the AOA pick (Where did the Cowboys have Burnett ranked?) … Dallas didn’t think much about Ducasse as a 2nd round option … and see sentence one for my thoughts on you and Cody :)
Lee graded out significantly higher than your alternatives, and in an area that needed to be addressed. You say yourself you don’t like Williams at ILB, so how could you possibly not have ILB on the priority list?
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Bling doesn't care where the Cowboys had those players ranked
he saw them ranked high by many other draft experts and is basing his criticism off of those opinions.
In Romo we Trust
No
Dallas’ grading scale seems to differ mightily with the rest of the NFL.
Evidence: Cody was taken in round 2 by a team that has a good history with down linemen. Dallas’ history? Spears and Olshansky are just bodies.
Burnett was ranked lower than other teams had him. I’d have taken him FOR THIS TEAM over Lee. But what do I know? We could always go with Terry’s view and how Isaiah Stanback will be a star in this league.
As for ILB on the priority list, it is on there, just not in round 2 when good OL and DL prospects still abound.
And DL…bias always trumps objectvity. I never claimed to be truly objective. anyone who tells you that is lying.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
The Giants HAD a good history with linemen... now they don't ...
The Ravens, like the Giants, can hit just as easily as the next team. I don’t buy that argument. I also don’t buy the argument that this was a team need, but clearly we disagree here:
Spears / Olshansky just bodies? Is that why our run defense is so horrible? (hint: it’s not) Is that why this D gave up less than 15 pts / game last year? (hint: that’s damned good) The 3 down-linemen in a 3-4 are critical to the success of the unit, yet we must be doing it with smoke and mirrors, right? (Spears / Rat / O-ski were rocks)
I’d agree with you that good O-Line prospects were still on the board… and I was also disappointed… but you can’t ignore your board. Clearly you believe your information to be superior to the Cowboys FO. That’s okay, you’re allowed an opinion. It’s just that I’m allowed to think it’s wrong :)
… and finally … you compare your knowledge with Terry’s love of Stanback … that’s settin’ the bar high!
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
I have friends in low places
LOL
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I bet Cody will never come close to the productivity of Spears and Drago
I think he has was a bust waiting to happen
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
Look at the stat lines for Drago and Spears
Cody could sit on the bench and have a similar career line.
Wade got double-digit sacks out of Luis Castillo one year (really nice kid, BTW).
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
castillo is a better prospect
than cody.
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions
They're two completely different players
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
yes
but still castillo was a better prospect as dez was a better prospect than burnett or kyle wilson. I wouldn’t spend a 2nd round pick for a back up DT. I know the ravens did, but Ngata can also play DE. so they may have plans. beside Ngata is due for a new contract next year and he may want a lot of money which the ravens may not be willing to pay.
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I am not an Alabama fan by any means...
But that’s really speculation based on nothing.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 4, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Who could eat more?
Brewster or Cody?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Focus on the other times...
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
man boobs
can eat brewster out of the building. come on dude. that’s a guy in collge with no money and he was up to 370. give me a break.
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't Brewster hit the same plateau at one point?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Brewster WAS the same plateau at one point
I think I read on here that he lost a buttload of weight while still in college though..
So did Cody
…went from over 370 to under 340 recently.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Cody was pushing 400 at one point at Alabama
He finally decided to commit to losing weight in order to be drafted higher. Saban never was able to get the kid in better shape. I would not trust him to keep the weight off once he gets a contract.
Brewster was a different story. He arrived on campus close to 400 and steadily worked it off to get to around 325 by the time he graduated. I think he’s shown he’s dedicated enough to drop the weight and keep it off, rather than suddenly lose just enough weight to better his draft stock.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
I thought Pudgy Brewster's (came up with that myself) weight ballooned again after he got hurt?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Good job on the nickname
I didn’t know about the post injury weight gain, do you have a link?
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by APerfectStar on May 5, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Here was one that I saw but not THE one...
http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/tag/_/name/robert-brewster
“He has yet to put on shoulder pads as a professional. He missed all of last season after tearing a pectoral muscle while lifting weights over the summer. He’s still reshaping his body, which was too blubbery despite losing significant weight at Ball State.”
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Doesn't sound bad
He arrived blubbery (I’ve read the stories about his excess skin from losing weight) but he’s been working out. That was a blurb from Mar 17.
On May 5th Mosely wrote this:
Brewster, who arrived at Valley Ranch with a blubbery body, has earned rave reviews for his work in the strength and conditioning program.
I think he’s maintained his weight or even lost some since being drafted.
Might have to shelve the Pudgy Brewster for the time being. See what you can come up with for Montrae Holland.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
On it!
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
How about...
EndoMontrae Holland?
Monrotund Holland?
Montrae Heavyland?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Montrae drinks Hollandaise?
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by APerfectStar on May 10, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh noooooooooo
Really APS? Really?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
yeah, I guess it's normal for players
to get close to 400 lbs without having an eating disorder…yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
In Romo we Trust
But you don't feel the same way about Brewster?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Actually...
Cody is under 350 at last report.
What is Pudgy tipping the scales at now?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Well, it was only reported that he's slimmer and more athlethic...
When the Cowboys drafted him he was an odly shaped 330… So, my guess would be somewhere around 320?
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Who's going to camp this year?
We need some photos of these guys in shorts so we can see who’s been eating at Souplantation and who’s been at Sonic.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
He's a big dude anyways.
Why don’t you stop talking to me like that man?
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 5, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not like I'm alone in that thought.
But I guess I won’t make any more comments about i if you can try not to be a pompous ass.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait, I will be right back, I have to do something
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Ok, I am back now. I had to go change my pants because I pissed myself laughing at that notion
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LOL ... another wait post!
careful rudeboy or you’re my next pet cat … and you see what it did to dunk :)
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
where is Dunkman?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
His CMP has been down ever since Dalai pet catted him
CMP = comments per day
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Wouldn't that be CPD?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I have no idea why I typed CMP
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by APerfectStar on May 7, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
What did you do to Dunk?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
You're saying you're NOT?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
So you're implying...
that I wasn’t the only person that might think that?
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Have you ever read any of the lengthy exchanges between he and I?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Haha...
yes, you might think I have been a bit sarcastic there?
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 7, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
You know, I'm not sure what I thought of Doug Free...
I do remember busting a blood vessell over Isaiah Stanbust.
I kept the list of homers on here who said he would be great. Hehehe, you all know who you are!!!
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Yeah the Isaiah Stanback pick was odd.
I mean while he was here I hoped he’d do something but I was scratching my head at that.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 3, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
That pick and most of that draft was a dumpster fire...
8 picks yielding 2 starters with half of them no longer being with Dallas (maybe worse if Cricket doesn’t stick in 2010).
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2007 was a good draft
Hit on: Spencer, Free, Folk, Cricket, Ball
Missed on: Marten, Stanback, Courtney Brown
Traded our 1st for a 1st in 2008 which became Felix.
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You call folk and Ball hits?
We cut a hit and we have another hit who hasn’t been able to hit because he can’t get on the field?
Interesting…
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Alan Ball is slated as our FS.
Also the team didn’t notice a drop off from Hamlin to him. Sounds like a pretty good hit to me, albeit a late developing one.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on May 3, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I can't call him a hit without seeing him play
You think someone outside of BTB would call him a hit?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Well he did play there last year.
And he obviously played well enough to make the Cowboys confident they could cut Hamlin.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on May 3, 2010 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Or confident enough that they could sign Darren Sharper
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Perhaps
but considering that Dallas made no real move on Sharper and has only brought in a small school prospect to develop as a S I think the coaching staff has shown it has confidence that Ball can perform at least as well as Hamlin this year.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on May 4, 2010 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Eesh
Scary.
Where have you gone, Brock Marion?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I don't know if it is that scary
but it will definitely be something to watch this offseason.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on May 4, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Doubtful
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
that was pleasee with a sarcasm
not too obvious from the post.
point being. I didn’t think sharper was going to be on the team nor an upgrade of any significance.
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions
You don't think Sharper would be an upgrade over Alan Ball?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
It depends on your point of view
In my eyes, Ken Hamlin was a steady-but-not-much-else-to-talk-about performer and Alan Ball looked like a continuation of his level of play…
On the other hand, a player like Sharper would have indeed carried a playmaker quality to the position, but he’s also seen as a player that can be burnt down like a match (Romo had a crosshair on him for most of the game).
I’m certain that teams tried to go after Hamlin and Ball because they aren’t playmakers that can make teams pay, but they were never burnt.
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
at what cost
and he is coming off injury. at some point the money has to factor into it as well as his health. plus the cowboys staff wasn’t very high on him.
but he is a name everyone has heard of, so he must be better. isn’t that how it goes.
by CowboysFanatic on May 7, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
A healthy sharper would be...
but that surgery is a major one he had. At 35, it wouldn’t suprise me if he doesn’t start the season out on the pup.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 7, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
You think his surgery is more major than Lee's?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Lee is a year removed from that surgery
and is not 35. So in other words Sharper having that surgery this offseason is much more worrisome than a surgery Lee had over a year ago.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
I get that
…but Sharper has the advantage of having been a pro bowler and great player.
Lee has youth on his side.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
From a pure physical standpoint, you still have to be more worried about Sharper
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on May 10, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions
So, I was thinking...
Was Rob Pettiti ever a hit in your view?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Well let me phrase it this way:
If you had told me that we would draft a tackle to successfully start at RT I would be ecstatic. Unfortunately, the more realistic way to shape his term in Dallas was that he was forced into starting and performed terribly. Ball on the other hand has been a core special teamer and performed pretty well in my opinion when he has gotten on the field as a fourth corner and a starting safety. As such, I would say the differences are kind of stark.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on May 3, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
So the answer to the questions was ____?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Petitti was not a hit since he performed pretty awful
when he was in. Ball played to a level at least equal or similar to that of Ken Hamlin a player who if drafted by us would definitely be called a hit based off his number of games started.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on May 4, 2010 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions
If you'll recall...
Pettiti played well in spot duty before he was forced to start and looked pretty good at first.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Well it has been a while so my memory has been faded
but I don’t remember him doing well once he was pushed into a lot of time. Then again, it probably didn’t help that that was the year we lost Flozell (if I recall correctly) and then had to send the help towards Torin Tucker rather than helping the rookie Pettiti.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on May 4, 2010 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Correct
But spot duty and playing full time are two different things and I think we agree there.
So, it stands to reason that it would be premature to label Ball a hit.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
That is a valid point and one I could buy into
but I think you are glossing over the fact that he played pretty well as a fourth and sometimes third corner due to injuries. He also has been a core special teamer. I would agree though that there is gray area regarding Ball’s evaluation as a draft pick.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on May 4, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Not glossing over it intentionally
…but not wanting to overestimate the importance of it either.
At one time, Jacques Reeves would have been viewed in the same light you have Ball in.
The Pettiti example was an egregious one used to make a point.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Well I think Ball definitely performed better than
Reeves but it is an interesting contrast. I think we will have a much better answer after training camp and a few regular season games.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on May 4, 2010 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions
actually, blings, this example doesn't work at all
Ball played well as a starter.
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
SPOT starter
The nature of fan opinion on BTB about players, especially DB’s (raise your hand if you wanted to trade/cut/harm Jenkins after he whiffed on the tackle in the Giants game), is fickle.
The example is highly applicable.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
theres,,thaat,, premature,,, again! lol...
woman, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart! lol
Folk was a hit for a awhile
I guess you could discount him, since he went bad after the off-season surgery, but for 2 seasons he was money.
Ball is at worst at backup CB and FS. Maybe our starting FS this season.
But those 2 aren’t the meat of the ’07 draft. Spencer, Free, and the ’08 1st rounder that became Felix are what make that draft good, IMO.
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by APerfectStar on May 4, 2010 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions
So you attribute his downfall tot he injury/surgery?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
maybe..
facts are before the surgury he went to probowl and he was money. after the surgery he couldn’t hit the side of a building. draw your own conclusion.
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Funny
I remember saying that before last season and several people (Terry, for one) telling me he would be fine.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Whaddya mean SOMETIMES?!?!
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I think kicking is so much mental
once he seemed to lose it, it kind of steamrolled. You don’t miss sub 30 yard kicks unless your head isn’t screwed on straight.
having kicked before
I think after the surgery he changed his kicking motion. instead of going on a more vertical plane he had more of and outside-in motion which caused him to miss a lot as well as lose a lot of power (think like a golf swing but less complicated). and after he started to miss a few, the mental part as you said made it pour.
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Agree
I’m not a kicker, but what you describe is what I was thinking might have happened to Nick. Somewhere in the rehab process he altered his kicking technique which caused him to struggle, then the mental aspect of going into a slump was what finished him off.
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Not correctable through film review and good coaching?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
yes, and no
depends on what ail’s him. sometimes you can’t correct it because your leg (tendons, ligaments, etc.) just won’t do it a certain way.
and he also lost the mental aspect of his game. for kickers that is a pretty major operation.
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
It's the one position that requires position coaches and shrinks
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I agree it wasnt all mental
and theres substance to what you say..I think its a mix of the two.
Has anyone corroborated the physical part?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Folk was a big hit
that injured his hip and couldn’t regain his form. not for that injury he would still be our kicker-
2009 BTB Part Deux Fantasy League Champion. 'Kill Everybody 13-2'. KDP knows football.
But he did get injured, and he couldn't regain his form, and he isn't our kicker
So…he’s not a hit.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
print that list up
that would be funny!
“Did you see him outrun Felix on that kickoff return!”
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on May 5, 2010 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I liked the Lee pick
In fact, I had him as one of my first round possibilities in the draft contest. And if you can believe Wade’s comments yeterday, Williams is doing quite well, we could easily see a Williams/Lee ILB pairing in the next year or so. Lee was drafted to take Barbie’s spot this year.
Didn't Dallas hype James Maarten too?
I don’t belive everything I hear out of Valley Ranch. Neither should you.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
dude, it's week 2 following the draft, what do you expect out of Valley Ranch?
In a world where the consensus belief is to wait 2-3 years, you’ve already assigned a bust label to Wall based only on Rookie cam[ … and Valley Ranch has pom-poms… neither is really credible at this stage.
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
You still have to take your shots, DL
Waiting around and sitting on your hands is silly. It’s like me writing a post about, “I knew Michael Irvin was going to be good”.
Come on. You’re at the craps table. Place your freakin’ bets!!!
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I'm not placing any bets until I at least see what the horse looks like.
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
He's 6'2", 225 and wears #88
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Well, there you go...
So there’s the lead horse.
The betting window is open.
Terry, I assume you’re betting on a flop?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
you assume wrong
and I’m not betting on anything, but obviously I’m hoping he’s the next Michael Irvin. Time will tell if Jerry’s risk taking this time paid off.
In Romo we Trust
Wimp
You’ll go out on a limb for Sean Lee but not Dez?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I still love how he criticized Dez for "character issues" but
was willing to say he would want Jonathan Baldwin on Dallas someday. This is hilarious considering Dez has never been arrested but Baldwin has been arrested on multiple charges during his time at Pitt.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
And when he gets called out on it...
he disappears.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 3, 2010 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Now now now
BTB is for everyone and I love me some Terry. What would i be without my nemesis?
Wait, I think I said that about Fighter15. BTW, where the heck IS he??
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
there is no reason to go out on a limb for Lee
he’s as safe and clean of a pick as they come
In Romo we Trust
You've said that you expect multiple pro bowls from Lee; What do you expect from Dez? Do you think Dallas should have drafted him?
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
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If you want to see a highly ironic comment
and one that is indicative of Terry’s views on Dez, search “you make no sense” under Terry’s comment activity. It actually was removed from the thread he originally posted it under.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Its the third comment from the top of his comment history.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
if you search it that is
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Stop the bashing please
As someone who has thicker skin than most, let’s keep this friendly and fun, K?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I really don't consider anything I have said "bashing."
I am only referring to what he has written. I am not asserting anything about him other than what he has said. In that sense, I don’t consider pointing out his comments to be personal. And to be honest, I hope he doesn’t take it personally because as you may remember going back to the beginning of last year it was he who I commonly argued alongside as we tried to protect Romo’s good name.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Oh yeah...
How did that work out for ya?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I thought it worked out well haha. It certainly kept me entertained during class going back and forth arguing semantics for the most part. What can I say, I enjoy arguing.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Well, he must have read my posts
Because he did what I said he needed to do to get to the next level, albeit a year late.
I’ll be sure to fashion a post together before the season begins that goes through what Romo needs to do to take the next step. Hopefully he reads that one too.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Like I've never heard THAT before
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Unreadable
I think using all bold face had the opposite effect of what you were shooting for. I usually enjoy your posts, but this is too hard to read.
by Baked Potato Soup on May 3, 2010 7:54 AM CDT reply actions
Not sure why it came out that way...
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Better BPS?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Who loves ya?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Sean Lee
I think Sean Lee will define this draft class. If Lee is the player the Cowboys think he is, this draft is an A. If Lee proves injury prone or ineffective, this draft is a C. Bryant looks like a player, I’m very high on AOA… and I hope Sam Young is a product of Notre Dame’s inability to “coach up” blue-chip recruits (Sam Young was one of the higher rated OL in the country out of high school). You call Bryant a boom or bust pick, I’d put Lee into that category as well. I also hated giving up our 4th round pick to get Lee, but if he turns into a 10-year starter and leader of the defense it’ll be worth it. If he turns into the second coming of Bobby Carpenter then it’ll be looked at as a disaster.
What if Lee is another Bradie James?
Not a pro bowl fixture, but not a bum either…then what do you grade it?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
If Lee is another Bradie James...
I’d be a happy camper. Still would give this draft an A. If you don’t me before the draft you could get an above average starter, who doesn’t miss games, and is a leader of an entire unit at pick 55.. I would be happy.
What if Lee is Bradie James and Vlad Ducasse and Jared Veldheer go on to be pro bowlers?
STILL an A?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
hypotetical
and we can play this game until the cows come home. what if Lee goes on to 8 probowls and has a HOF career and ducasse gets injured and never gets going aqnd veldeheer just bombs. would you still say that they were the right picks?
by CowboysFanatic on May 11, 2010 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions
No, because using something so egregious is nonsensical.
You don’t like the line of questioning so you can choose not to answer, but don’t deride it just because you don’t like where it leads.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
since this was your view and assessment
I have to disagree with a couple of your comments.
I liked the Sean Lee pick. why? because he was rated highly by our scouting team and that’s what you do when you have the chance to strike. get the guy you rated highly and get him instead of waiting for somebody else to grab. him. Also in the pre-draft posts I mentioned MLB as a position of need that we need to address sooner than later. I wasn’t as high on Ducassee. I did not, let me repeat, did not like Cody. I liked Burnette, but if Lee is rated higher, then by all means take him
AOA was one of my pet cats. in my mock I had us take him in the 3rd. to get him in the 4th, was really good. I think he is got the athleticism to start contributing right away and we should see him involved and see him get some playing time by mid-season. apprantley he is really smart and although he is a rookie, his speed, size and athleticism will help him out of some mistakes.
I liked the sam young pick and don’t see all the criticim you pile on. byu the 6th round all the players have some flaws. all the analysis I read about him I saw columbo after his injury (some what a player not with a lot of athelticism). I think he is a perfect fit for the right side.
I don’t know much about Jamar Wall. I woudl have gone somewhere else. I am scratching my head on that one too. I think he won’t make it pass the camp.
Lessimore was another one of my pet cats. small school guy. like I said all the guys in 6th and 7th round have some warts, but this guys’s athelticism jumps out of hte page. at 6’4" and almost 300 pounds, he runs a 4.8!!! and apprantley he is relentless and a hustle guy. he also swapped between DE and DT, go back and read Ratlief’s bio when he was coming out. you will see the same guy. I love that pick. I think he spells the end of Siavii.
over all I was very happy with this draft and think we came away with 4 future starter, perhaps 5.
I give us an A-
Confused
The fact that Dallas moved up aggressively to get Lee indicates that they were very high onhim. That point is not in question, is it?
The point I made, which you didn’t address, was about his durability and the fact that in a short window where Dallas could make a deep playoff run, ILB was not as big a need as other areas which lack a true backup or starting caliber player.
I love it when people tell me, “but they were high on him, so it’s good that they got him”. No…it isn’t always good. Take a look at the 2006 draft. Dallas was high on Roy Williams (pick one) too.
Sometimes, letting the draft come to you is a better strategy.
On Young, I don’t know what you’re reading. Young’s feet are in question. His athleticism was painfully absent at Notre Dame where, as I said, he was smacked around like a pinata at a birthday party by no-name DE’s.
I’m not going to spend any time arguing the merits, or lack thereof, of a 7th round DT. It just isn’t time well spent. The problem every fan is going to have to wrestle with now is that every time we draft a late round DT, he’s not going to be the second coming of Jay Ratliff. Sorry, but he won’t.
A-?
Well, at least you are consistent with your name. :-)
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
read my post again
I had thought MLB was a bigger need than saftey. I argued that if James or Brookings went down, we were in trouble. Jason Williams is a great athlete who is learning the NFL and we knew that last year when we drafted him. Carpenter is…..I don’t have words to describe him. we needed depth for the MLB in a desparate way. MLB is critical to the 3-4 success where as a saftey is icing on the cake. Plus we had ball and were getting hamlin back and hte coaching staff was high on him. there are also options in FA for saftey spot where as no MLBs left. Lee was rated higher than burnette. both positions of need. good pick.
and Lee had his injury in his Junior year and played his senior year or am I mistaken? lots of players suffer injuries in collge and recover to have great careers.
and regarding the Roy WIlliams pick, we could argue that about every peak during those years. we just had awful, awful awful drafts. no ryhme or reason. no plan. reach at every peak. just plain bad.
regarding Young, I haven’t watched a lot of tape, but read a lot of evaluations of him. as you said he doesn’t sound athletic. there was concern about him getting beat by speed rusher. most stuff I read about him reminded me of Columbo (after his injury). seems like a RT if he ever develops. apprantley he also wasn’t that bad at the post season senior bowls. its the 6th round. what do you expect. like I said every player past 5th round has warts.
and as you said. its the 6th round.
by CowboysFanatic on May 3, 2010 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Disagree
ILB a bigger need than safety because you’re worried about injury? No way Jose.
You’re comparing a position that has two proven vets manning the helm to a position that has NOBODY who has started the season at that spot and NOBODY behind them.
I suppose, if your unproven 2nd or 3rd year player gets hurt, you don’t have that much of a letdown when another unproven player steps in for them, but that’s a feeble argument at best.
If you go back and look at the posts prior to the draft, you’d be hard pressed to find BTB’ers who said ILB was a bigger need than safety or OL, especially after letting Flo and Hamlin go.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Well, that's another of the problems that I have with your logic...
To you, a starter is a starter and a backup is a backup…
It doesn’t matter that the backup plays in the Nickel and Dime packages, which means that they will play in as close to 50% of the defensive snaps as possible… He’s still a backup and a lesser player.
The problem with the Cowboys is that James and Brooking shouldn’t be playing in the Nickel and Dime packages due to their limitations but were force to play them… If those 2 guys (Williams and Lee) manage to play those spots, it’s a well made investment and deserving of a high emphasis on the part of the Cowboys staff.
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
I agree! The fact that my definition is based on the the meaning of the word and yours is based on, well, nothing...
THAT IS CONCERNING!!!
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
you miss his point ... he's saying that the Nickel guys are "starters" in that they play 50% of the time
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
No, I got his point
I just find it nonsensical.
You can’t have 53 starters.
You get 22. Pick whoever you like, but you only get 22.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I think his point wasn't about starters
but about the amount of playing time, thus production you expect from a player and the impact that player has on the success of the unit. was that so hard to understand?
for example Scandrcik and Carpenter played a good bit last year and their success and failure in their respective roles had a great deal of impact on the team. for example Scandrick was fairly successful, where carpenter was average, which forced Wade to change his philiosophy and not attack the offense with James as much as he had the previous year. that to protect carpenter both in coverage and against the run.
same with crayton, and although he didn’t start, he played quite a bit in the slot and his success had direct impact to success of the offense and the rest of hte players, based on his play.
now, was that so hard to understand?
by CowboysFanatic on May 3, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
so if the Cowboys start a FB, then there's no discussion of a slot?
… and forget about discussing a 2nd RB, a 3rd CB, a Nickel LB …
why?
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
My simple answer is this...
I have no way to look at all 32 teams and compare how each team fares in the draft using that measurement.
I can easily track the teams draft choices versus the 22 starting slots. I just cannot do that based on the % of snaps they played.
Do the math: 22 starters *32 teams or some fraction of 53 players * 32 teams?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Don't worry
To 5Blings Scandrick is the same kind of role player that Holland was.
It just doesn’t matter that Scandrick played in more than 50% of the snaps and Holland wasn’t even activated for a single game…
They’re both backups? Why can’t you get that?
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Yeah I don't get that either.
A starter doesn’t mean more valuable either IMO.
Marcus Spears is a starter, but Felix Jones is more valuable and an impact player.
Starting isn’t a good measure of judgement I don’t think.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 3, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions
As I've said, if you can come up with a better one, I'm all ears
But how do you rank Dallas with Tampa? Are you going to calculate how each of their draft choices and their relative VALUE?
Pointless discussion until someone brings facts to the table in the form of data.
In God We Trust (everyone else bring spreadsheets).
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
And I've said before.
You can look at players that have impacts or play a percentage of snaps.
A nickel CB is basiclly a starter, they play over half of the snaps. I would say.
I would say Felix while he doesn’t get the first snap of the game is essential. I’m not going to make a spreadsheet, because its really not that big of a deal to me.
OCC can do that.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 3, 2010 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Well don't look at me...
I already took the easy way out!
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
It's simple, really.
Just look up Approximate Value for each draft class on Pro-Football-Reference.com. Example for the 2005 draft class here.
This thread is already too long for me to know exactly what you’re looking for, but Approximate Value is the easiest way I’ve found so far to compare draft classes.
by One.Cool.Customer on May 4, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
that compares year to year
How would one compare team-to-team?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
hrmph
you sort by team? Or you copy paste multiple years into a spreadsheet and sort by team?
by One.Cool.Customer on May 5, 2010 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks
Let me know when you’re done with that…
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Oh man, are you sure you want to mess with a German guy
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
I'm an equal opportunity messer
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Dallas' window isn't that short
And Lee may very well give us that pittsburgh caliber defense that can carry us for the next 5-7 years.
He's not in the Steeler LB mode
…but I get what you are saying.
One thing the Steelers (and the defense of the moment, the Jets) get is more production fromt their Ends.
Ours aren’t that productive.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I'm probably the only Cowboys fan that liked the Sean Lee pick
better than the moving up to get Bryant. Why? Because Bryant is like Blings said, risky, a boom or bust type pick. We’re all hoping it’s a boom, but the risk is still there with him.
Lee, however, was an extremely safe and clean pick, the kind I absolutely love in the first and second rounds. Are the some durability concerns with his knees? Sure, but the risk of injury is really there with any player. Irvin blew out his knee his rookie year and went on to a HOF career.
I also loved the Akwasi pick as well, this kid should become a player in time.
In Romo we Trust
Yeah, Bryant could absolutely flame out
But on Lee, I don’t think he’s as safe as you think.
He suffered a nasty (and I mean nasty) ACL injury in a non-contact drill. No one questions his passion for the game or his cerebral approach, but you have to ask whether he’s a candidate for another injury there. I read somewhere that he hurt his other knee in high school?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I doubt it, he's no more injury prone than anyone else
Like I said, there have been players that suffered ACL tears and went on to great careers. It’s not the really tough injury to back from like it once was.
In Romo we Trust
I agree that it has become easier for players to come back from than before
…but previous injury history suggests whether they’re more likely to have chronic issues than any other measurement.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Adrian Peterson was overrated?
He had 3 serious injuries in his College career, dislocated shoulder, a high ankle sprain and a broken collarbone to go along with several minor bump and bruises…
Sometimes you have to take the injuries history like a grain of salt, because their talent may prove to be worthy.
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
I don't disagree
…but don’t compare Sean Lee to Adrian Peterson.
And AP’s injury history caused him to fall in the draft and causes many players to fall. So the perspective I am describing is held by many in the NFL scouting world.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Plus I'll also say that...
Peterson had so much upside that he was worth the risk. Not against Lee, just saying it’s kind of a different scenario.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 3, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions
And, just to further the point...
AP has not been all that durable so far.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Ok, what about McNeil the LT in San Diego?
Who also fell all the way to the 2nd Round?
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
fall all the way to
7th pick…..come on……get real
by CowboysFanatic on May 3, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
IT'S A FREEFALL!!!!
:-)
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
players recover from those injuries
the ACL and MCL tear is not as bad any longer. a lot of players come back the same year.
now micro-fracture surguries like Hodge is having have ended more careers than saved. I don’t have high hopes for Hodge, although if healthy I think he would have replaced Carpenter.
by CowboysFanatic on May 3, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Is Lee your 2010 Scott McKillop?
:-)
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I meant in a pet cat sorta way...
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
no, I actually hate Penn State
and rooted against him while he was a Nittany Lion, I just think he’s one of those football playing dudes that Parcells like to refer to who can just flat out play, regardless of any other considerations.
If he stays healthy, he’ll be a beast in the league.
In Romo we Trust
Don't hate
It’s not healthy.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I have intense dislike for them
…but I respect them too.
Andy Reid is a great coach and they’ve been formidable adversaries. I’m not sure there’s any game I get more excited about than Dallas-Philly games.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
well blings you just defined hate...intense dislike
and I respect PSU as well, but as a Pitt grad, hating them is required for graduation.
In Romo we Trust
I can't hate someone and respect them
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Add to that: NE Patriots and Bill, the Eagles, Montana's 49ers, my cousin's ex-husband ... hmmm... must be more ...
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
I used to respect the Eagles
somewhere in the last 4 years, I lost it. Probably mostly cause of McNabb’s arrogance and very poor play in tight games.
In the early 2000s, I HATED that team, but I had a ton of respect for them. And McNabb.
I respect them.
I respect any team that poses a tough test for Dallas. They always do.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Yet Wade Is
5-2 against the Eagles as Cowboys head coach. I respect them, but not as much as I used to. I think they are on the down escalator. Still good but not nearly as dangerous.
You think they are worse off without McInjury?
I’m not so sure.
They are a young team that was a win away from bringing home a division title.
And with Reid at the helm, they always scare me.
The area they’ve definitely lost ground in is at DC. No one will be able to match what Jim Johnson did there.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
they'll be better wihout McNabb
My concern is with the oline and defense. The C will miss the start of the season and that OL overall is questionable. That defense has so much new blood, I can’t imagine them gelling that quickly.
But I think they will be much more dangerous with Kolb.
I agree
Everyone picking them to be a wayward team has no sense of history here. Even when the Eagles rebuild, they seldom tank.
Their defense will likely make a ton of mistakes early. The problem is that they have an easy schedule out of the gate. I could see them 5-1 or 4-2 to start the year.
I used to count on McInjury’s mental errors to work against him in tight spots. I just don’t know what they have with Kolb.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Not Sure About the Wayward Team Comment
I never said they would be tanking. In fact I went to great pains to point out they would still be a good team, to avoid someone overreacting to my comment and misinterpreting it. Where I do think we legitimately disagree is in the value of McNabb. I think he is a borderline HoF quarterback, whereas we know nothing about Kolb. He may well turn out to be good, but he’ll have to be extremely good to be better than McNabb. And with a defense that lost a lot when they lost Dawkins and one of the best defensive coordinators ever, I don’t think they’ll be going 12-4 any time soon.
Young, talented team stocked by recent drafts with a great coach
Scares me.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Yes, the Cowboys are formidable :)
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on May 10, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I opened the door
…that one is on me.
;-)
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Terry
Your continued use of hyperbole will never cease to amaze me.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on May 6, 2010 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Heres my take on Lee
The NFL Draft is all about the future. You draft for the future. If you are 1 or 2 players away from seriously contending, you fill them spots through free agency.
This is why the Sean Lee pick makes perfect sense. If the Cowboys staff has any issues with his knee, they sit him for the year. Maybe let him compete for Barbie’s nickel spot, but no more. Not only will this give him time to heal, but also he will be learning from one of the best ILB in the game, Keith Brooking. Next year he can step into the starting job for Brooking. As for who we could have gotten, there are just as many questions about them players as there were for Lee.
Cody is a 2 down player only. He is projected for run downs only. We have a Probowl player in Rat, who I believe is relatively young. We really do not need a high round draft pick to spell him. I think Siavii filled in quite nicely for Rat last year, and 1 more year under his belt, he should play more this year.
Vlad Ducasse is as big of a developmental player as there is. All of the scouts say that he needs at least 1 year, more then likely 2 before he will help any team out. This more more a Lee Vs. Ducasse pick here. Did the Cowboys Scouts believe Lee had more upside then Ducasse. Evidently they did, plus Lee can at least contribute a little this year. Ducasse would have been taking up a roster spot.
Morgan Burnett is the only other player here that I thought maybe the Cowboys would go after. He would have contributed a little this year, either at the Safety position or on special teams. I am still hoping we go after OJ Atogwe, although AOA certainly does look promising. I would have agreed with this pick, but again, the Cowboys scouts must have thought Lee has more upside.
With all of this being said, it would have been really nice to have that extra 3rd we gave up to get Lee. We could have drafted a developmental O-Lineman with that pick. I think Lee will be our Starting ILB next year and for many years to come. His knowledge of the game will be a huge help. He will be the QB of our D. Lee and Cowboys should have gotten a B for this pick, but with the option to change it to an A+ after the 2011 season.
When do you think Lee will start? 2010?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Not at all
I think he wins the nickel LB job from Barbie this year. He learns from Brooking and supplements him in 2011.
IMO...
There is no way Bobby Carpenter is on this team going into the season.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 3, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
You think they cut him in camp?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Well...
Think they’re going to run 5 ILB’s into the season? I think the writing is on the wall.
He was on the trade block.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 3, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
yea hes a goner
especially with us wanting to get Williams and Lee PT, theres no way Barbie is standing in their way lol
Agree
Lee will beat Carp out, and if he doesn’t than Williams might. Either way, he’s a bubble player now, and I don’t think he makes it past the final cut unless someone is injured.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
That's a lot of love for the rookie with a bum wheel...
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I think his wheel is alright now
Who do you predict will be playing nickel LB in week 1?
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on May 4, 2010 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Carp, sadly
Wade’s schemes are tough on newbies
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Maybe...
I don’t think Carpenter will be, from everything I hear.
IMO if they thought it would be so hard on a newbie they wouldn’t have tried to shop Carpenter.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 4, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
They were 3 years late in getting any value for Barbie...
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again.
Buy low, sell high. Dallas often gets dyslexia when trying to follow my instructions.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Hmmm...
possibly it’s because you haven’t handed them your GM credentials.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 4, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh you wait...
that fateful plane ride is coming and Jerry will see the wisdom that is…5BLINGS!
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I would try email.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 4, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions
One prediction proven wrong already ;)
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
What?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Carp at nickel LB in week one
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on May 7, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, some things you WANT to be wrong about
;-)
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Thanks for clearing it up
On Siavii, I am not as high on his ability to spell Ratliff as you are.
Burnett would have immediatley been given a shot at starting.
Ducasse could have filled in at either OG spot and RT as he learned the game. But you don’t find guys with his strength and athleticism that often.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I would have been alright with drafting Burnett...
Although if we go after OJ in June, we wouldn’t need Burnett and drafting Lee would look like a smart move. I still have high hopes with things working out this way. I think that drafting AOA, and everyones high hopes for him, pretty much quell any thoughts of going after OJ.
Ducasse would not have started this year at G or RT. The only way he would have made the field is if someone would have gotten hurt. Which again is another issue. Our depth at O-Line is horrible, but so was our depth at MLB. But like CowboysFanatic said below, we have 2 O-line guys on the roster in Brewster and Bright that no one really knows about. Hell we could probably act like Brewster is a 2010 draft pick, he didn’t play at all last year.
All in all it was a toss up between O-line depth and MLB depth.
You got to admit though, we could have the best LB corps in the league for years to come if this works out though. Ware and Spencer on the outside, Williams and Lee on the inside.
Isn't Jason Williams our depth at ILB?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Isn't Mike Hamlin our depth at S...
or Patrick Watson, or Brewster at OT, or Bright, or Holland. You can say that at any position. Eventually you need to upgrade your depth and hope that you hit on someone to become a starter instead of just depth.
Maybe they knew that they suck at judging O-Line talent, and figured they had a better shot at hitting on an MLB instead of O-Line. Wade is pretty good at judging defensive players.
Of course I could be full of it, we really will never know until 2~3 years from now.
Scary
Maybe they knew that they suck at judging O-Line talent, and figured they had a better shot at hitting on an MLB instead of O-Line.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
it would be scary if it weren't total fan-created crap
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
You're no fun
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
True, but...
you can’t argue with the fact that Dallas has struck out on OL prospects more often than other positions. Sam Young doesn’t bolster my confidence.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I'm not hangin' my hat on Young
But Free? And since Brewster? And Bright? I’ll reserve judgment on all three until we’re into training camp.
And they wanted Unger last year – was that such a bad idea?
They’ve whiffed on a few, to be sure… but come on, for the number of success stories now on the roster, your pessimism hardly passes the “reality” test.
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Stay on topic, DL
This is the O-line section of the thread.
For more general topics scroll down to comment # 341.
:-)
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
+1
I agree, Lee is future starter if things work out.
Cody would never replace Ratlieff (and lets not get into move rat to the DE position). Rat is all pro as a NT. wasting a 2nd round pick for a plaeyr that would never become a starter and get 10 reps a game at most. not a good idea.
now, the argument 5blings should have pursued was why not burnette since FS is a bigger need and that point could be argued until the cows come home (MLB need vs. FS need).
we also have some other developmental players on the team, like brewster and bright. Free was a 4th round pick himself. so we are not as prevy to what the coaches know. taking ducassee in the 2nd would have been a reach.
by CowboysFanatic on May 3, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
In all honesty...
Really couldn’t any pick be a boom or bust pick.
I mean yeah there are some guys like a Rolando McClain that are considered “safe” picks, but there are some guys before that I’ve seen that were considered “safe” and they ended up being crap.
And on Lee, I will give Wade the benefit of the doubt here. Since he became the head coach, his defensive picks in the first half of the draft have ended up being pretty damn good.
I don’t hate the guy, but I can also say I don’t know enough about him to substantiate that he’s going to be a multiple pro bowler, like some people on here.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 3, 2010 12:37 PM CDT reply actions
Correction...
any first round pick.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 3, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Your point is a good one
Even the greatest personnel men have seen their first rounders flop.
I think the issue may be that Dez has displayed immaturity that other players (like Lee) have not shown, and that makes his potential for bust higher than normal.
At the same time, his athletic ability is off the charts.
So maybe the chances of him being an “okay” or “solid” player are not as great and just polarizes the dynamic even more?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Yeah...
I think the same way as alot of the major analysts out there on Bryant, that most of that stuff was overblown.
He was all Academic in 2008, so if you have the capacity to learn AND have freakish physical skills…. I think he’s got a good shot.
It tells me ALOT that Ozzie Newsome was going to take him, because I think that he might be one of the best GMs in the NFL. And apparently they weren’t too scared, because the Ravens were going to take him.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 3, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Ahem
Ozzie took my guy Cody.
Just sayin…
:-)
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Hey...
I always said Cody was a 2nd round guy remember?
AND I think that’s the best situation for him. That is going to be a big duo of DT to run through.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 3, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
A rare miss for the Oz man
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
Also...
I don’t remember ever reading that the staff was down on Jason Wiliams.
IMO last years draft will be evaluated by me more this year.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 3, 2010 12:49 PM CDT reply actions
You think Brewster will end up being Larry Allen?
Can Dallas really afford to keep Buehler if all he can do is kick off?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I think Brewster can be the next Erik Williams
and the answer to your last question is absolutely.
In Romo we Trust
So you think we will carry three kickers
Where do you think we’ll go light?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I don't know about Brewster.
Of course I guess my expectations aren’t that he’s the next Larry Allen either.
I do think that Buehler can be kept until you can find a kicker that can kick AND do well on KO’s.
There was a lot of hidden yardage that was taken away from his ability to regularly put it in the endzone.
I also think that Jason Williams will be evaluated more, if he can’t get on the field this year, that’s a bad sign.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 3, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's the best O-line addition of the off season
On Sam Young:
“Although, he does lack athletic ability and speed (528). Has trouble with speed rushers and in the open field as a run blocker. Does not move well laterally and gets off balance at times. He must show more consistent leverage in pass protection, and improve his upper body strength and power.”
and from another source…
“He looks the part at times, but too often was he found chasing after speed rushers or being overpowered by the more powerful defenders. He is a limited athlete that projects as the backup-type at the next level.”
Ouch.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Yep.
Not great. But that’s kind of what I expect from a 6th round(wasn’t that the round?) pick.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 3, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, 6th round.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
and you expect a HOFer from a 6th rounder? and
who says calloway would be any better? in your opinion, ALL IOWA linemen have a nasty demanor, thus that would make them better OL men? is that the premise of your argument? most places I looked he was ranked lower than Young. both have warts.
by CowboysFanatic on May 3, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions
That was half tongue-in-cheek, brother
Surprised you missed that…
;-)
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
based on last year, the surprise would be if we DIDN'T keep 3 kickers
And for this O-Line debate … I wouldn’t be surprised if the Cowboys were quite high on both Brewster and Bright. It seems to be the only explanation for why they’ve stayed away from both FAs and higher draft picks. If Brewster and Bright are rising stars, then we wouldn’t be nearly as needy along the O-Line as most fans project.
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Or, we'll just stink it up against good pass rushers as we've done in the past
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
so in your opinion its better to reach
than take the BPA? or is that take your BPA?
by CowboysFanatic on May 3, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
BPA @ positions of need
…not unbridled BPA
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I've been critical of Romo in big games, but the truth is, I haven't seen the O-line perform well in those games either
So it is difficult for me to know who is REALLY choking in those games.
If it’s the O-line, great. Let’s focus there.
If it’s not and Romo is just making boneheaded decisions, that’s another story.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I'm well aware of your criticism of Romo
… and still waiting for the admission that you were wrong :)
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
LOL...that will never happen
Bling will also never admit that 11-5 and a playoff win isn’t mediocre as well.
In Romo we Trust
But it did happen
admittedly, in a sort of roundabout way, but still…
The sour taste of mediocrity with some reality for dessert
by One.Cool.Customer on May 3, 2010 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Always got my back, eh OCC?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I do too...
Although it was super roundabout.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 3, 2010 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions
You honored your debt, and that counts for a lot in my book
I may disagree with you more often than not, but, but, but
(cut to close up of eyes welling up with barely contained tears)
I love you like a brother, man.
(cue violins)
by One.Cool.Customer on May 4, 2010 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah...I get that a lot
But the feeling is mutual.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
that thread is merely a veiled continuation of his distrust for Romo
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Not distrust
Hope for emotional maturity beyond his years. Hope that he recognizes this very unique opportunity to etch his name in the history books as one if the greats.
Hope, my friend…it’s the life’s blood of every fan.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
... and you're beyond hope if you don't see Romo's production to date
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
I'm not a stat guy
I’m a blings guy.
Aikman’s stats looked awful next to Steve Young’s, but aikman got the blings.
For God’s sake man, look at my moniker!!!
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
ok
Payton Manning or Troy Aikman?
you don’t think the surronding players make a difference?
I guess we can say then Payton manning = Trent Dilfer
both have one bling.
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
No, but when the blings are equal, you look deeper
wins, division titles, playoff appearances, etc.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
so where does Marino Rank
is he not a great QB? Elway did win 2 at the very end. what if he didn’t? where would he rank?
each of those guys had very incomplete teams they played in. football more than anything else is a team sport. defense, offense, special teams, etc.
How about Warren Moon? another HOF QB? Jim Kelly?
wasn’t exactly their fault their teams didn’t win. in fact one could argue that it was because of them that their team saw any level of succeess.
now Romo’s career is not over. he has been maturing over the years. but you can’t deny the stats and what he has done when he has had the tools and opportunity. or do you fault him for the Minn. game in the playoffs?
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions
... don't expect a reply here, it makes too much sense
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Marino ranks behind Elway
…for the two big reasons you mentioned.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
and since when do qbs win blings by themselves individually??
Last time I checked football is a team sport. QBs don’t win games, it’s a myth.
In Romo we Trust
But there are those that do, and those that don't
and that’s why Danny White, while a very good QB in his own right, won’t be remembered like Drew Brees will.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
You've said that I am delusional a lot
Then I point out such things as comments from you about how Pennsylvania is a wonderful place to live and how Will Beatty was soft and things of that sort.
I never say you’re delusional, but I do question the basis for your outlandish contentions.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
see, thats proof you are delusional
because I never, ever said PA is a wonderful place to live, quite the contrary, I’ve always said it’s a s%it hole and I hate living here.
In Romo we Trust
Well...
that’s probably why you say everyone is delusional.
You need more happiness in your life.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Sorry
Couldn’t respond sooner as I was out on my board at the wedge.
Good swell this a.m.
It’s been trash lately, but I caught a couple of nice rides. Some double overhead’s!!!
If you watch closely in the mornings, you’ll see me going out with my spring suit in the lower right cam whenever it gets big.
http://www.newportbeachca.gov/index.aspx?page=612
Sucks here…
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
LOL ... I clicked on the link and at first couldn
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
grrrrrr... couldn't figure out why the screens were BLACK!!!
(I’ll check back when the sun’s down HERE :)
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Another day with some big tubes
…but sadly, I have other commitments.
Saw some 12-footers yesterday.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
LOL
I’m sorry Terry, not laughing at you, I’m laughing with you.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
did you think free
was going to be FA’s replacement?
he may not be Larry allen. in fact not that many will ever be. but can he be a good starter at some point in the futuer and a valuable back up.
by CowboysFanatic on May 3, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree
…but I’m nervous about protecting a QB who isn’t 6’5" and 240 and has had back, rib and finger injuries in a relatively small number of starts.
Gotta protect the man…
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I think you're a little off base about the ILBs
Sean Lee was not drafted because the team has given up on Jason Williams already. He was drafted because BOTH ILBs will need to be replaced in the near future. The coaches have already put J-Will behind Brooking and Lee behind James. I understand that this does not mean a whole lot at this stage, but I think it’s pretty obvious that the staff would like both young LBs challenging for playing time. Brooking and James both looked gassed at times late in games. If we could give both of those young guys some snaps this season, the vets will be fresher in the 4th quarter, the defense will defend those TE crossing patterns better (they killed us last season), and both young guys are getting on the job training, where the team can evaluate whether they should be the successors to James and Brooking.
Yep
That was the basis on Lee, not Williams.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 3, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions
That's a fair point
At the same time, aren’t you surprised that Dallas DIDN’T address the OL with anything other than a 6th rounder?
I’m not arguing against ILB, but in Pavlov’s NFL hierarchy of needs, since we spent our top pick on an ILB last year, why weren’t the people who are lauding this pick have ILB listed early in any of their mocks?
I’ll tell you why, because no one thought that the need to build the talent pool at ILB trumped the need to help the OL and safety spots.
Now, after the fact, people are thimping their chests over this one.
I’m used to the homerism that comes with fandom, but this is where I draw the line.
Dallas didn’t lose to Minnesota in a blowout because Bradie and Brooking were gassed. They lost because the Romo couldn’t get untracked while running from Edwards and Allen. Thus far, how can anyone with a hint of objectivity be satisfied with their inaction?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Well, speaking as someone who finished in a 7 way tie to win OCC's draft contest....
6 of us, I believe, had Sean Lee listed among our correct predictions….
Ohhhh, a bunch of Nostradamuseseses, eh?
Soytenlee!!!
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
call 'em what you wish ... but they completely refute your argument :)
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Not really
How many people participated in OCC’s pool?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
you really need MORE THAN 6 guys picking Lee?
… after you just claimed nobody?
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
The question was asked to show that if 6 was a small fraction of the people participating, then the point is on solid footing
Why so scared?
:-)
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
25 participants. And I listed 6 winners, there were others who may
have picked him as one of their expected targets that did not have two others hit. http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2010/4/20/1433455/put-up-or-shut-up-looking-for-the
So, with that math, more than 75% of the participants thought otherwise?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
10/25 is pretty damn significant
I think you made the mistake of following the draft day thread with all the crazies lol.
Seriously though – 40% getting the pick right in a mock – that pretty much disproves what you’re been saying for however many posts.
So I went back and actually looked at this whole episode you're thumping your chests over and I reject it out of hand
First, it wasn’t a mock draft at all. It was an exercise where people picked 25 players (Dallas drafted 6) that might be picked anywhere in the draft. TWENTY FIVE PLAYERS!!!
The best anyone did was pick 3 out of the 25. That’s a great hit rate if you’re a loser, you live in Loserville and your dog is named Loser’s Mutt.
This is an absurdity at best and an atrocious basis for your point at worst.
Show me a real mock, the one where you can’t pick 25 players, where ANYONE actually picked the Dallas choices (hint: there were several on BTB leading up to the draft) that had Sean Lee in them.
When you finally come to the painful realization that you can’t, I’ll be here…still scoffing.
Boo…yah.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
You claim Lee came out of left field,
more to the point claimed people defending the pick are doing so only after he was selected, and I provided evidence to the contrary.
No you didn't
Your definition of what would be considered evidence would not stand up to a legal litmus test.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
hahaha
I just wanted to say, I really enjoyed that post.
I guess you make a good point on lee, they could’ve thought he would’ve been picked in the third or something. Still though, its pretty heavy evidence that people on BTB had heard of and liked the guy.
Well, we are a smart, draft-geek bunch
I would expect nothing less from BTB’ers.
Again, I’m not down on Lee. I like the kid. I just don’t like him for a team as OL-challenged as we are. The Viking game should not be erased from our memories so quickly.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Someone sounds upset that they missed out on the fun :(
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
Yeah, obviously there was a Sean Lee party and nobody invited me
…which is strange because I’m usually wherever the action is.
Case in point; I saw Romo and his posse coming into an L.A. club when I was leaving. I’m sure it was no fun after I left.
:-)
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Was Jessica with him?
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
No
But he was with an actor (B-list) that I’ve never been able to remember the name of…see what too much BTB does to you!!!!
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Upon quick research, 10 had Lee out of 25 entries
It was also unfortunate that you did not lend your superior evaluation expertise to the exercise…
Maybe I was away when that went down?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
No, I said it. And I was right. And...you were wrong.
Scroll up…
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I think so too
that’s why Siavii is on the hot seat to be out here more so than anybody else. Lessimore is got the upside such that spears can give us some snaps at DT if necessary along with bowen and hatcher at DE in a rotation, getting lessimore eventually some reps by mid season as the coaching staff trusts him and as he learns more. Lessimore may end up at DE along with Ratlieff and that’s the pass rushing DE they were looking to get to add to the arsenal.
by CowboysFanatic on May 3, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I see him at DE, not NT.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Right
But I expect that Wade will want him to push Spears out of the way.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I would be shocked if he lines up at DE
you wanted me to bet on some horses … there ya go :)
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
I think he wants that but
he will also give some reps at NT. his game is similar to Rat. speed. relentless. good power. keep in mind it took Rat a couple of years to come to form, so don’t expect lessimore to set the world on fire. we got let him mature a bit, but I think we got us a gamer.
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions
How do you know???
You never even heard of the guy until Dallas called his name.
I continue to be amazed at people who can not watch one ounce of video on a person, read a web site and make comments like the ones you make here.
This is a 7th round pick that will most likely be gone by the first round of cuts. Do you know the percentage of 6th and 7th round picks that actually stick on ANY NFL roster?
Puhleeze…
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Dude You are so wrong. Lissemore has future pro-bowler written all over him
and you would know who he was if you read my fan posts:
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2010/4/2/1401675/quincyyyyys-highly-anticipated
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
LOL @ Future Pro Bowler
So did you ever go back and look at your previous mocks to evalute how you did versus Cisky, Tuna and Lacewell?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
not a probowler
but with 9 6th, 7th and UDFA on the team. couple or three of them probowlers, I think he has a good chance. it would be better to draft one in the 7th round to take about 10 snaps a game, one with potential than WASTE a 2nd round pick for a backup with questionable work attitude.
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Questionable Work Attitude...
Like Oher? Like Loadholt?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
yes. questionable work attitude
but not like them. obviously Oher was over blown. Loadholt ain’t that great and he STARTS for Minn. again Cody wouldn’t start on this team and would get about 10 snaps a game. you don’t waste a 2nd round pick for 10 snaps a game. you look for future starters. with Rat in the prime of his career cody wouldnt’ have a chance.
I personally put cody as a high potential bust candidate. but that’s my opinion which I am sure you will say is wrong because you are right about everything. right?
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, yes.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
back at ya ...
I continue to be amazed at people who can not watch one ounce of video on a person, read a web site and make comments like the ones you make here.
Blings, your own assessments come from what? Let me venture a guess … reading websites? Yet you obviously consider yourself an authority.
The bottom line: your opinions are little more than entertaining and debate-enducing.
Which, by the way, I find entertaining and debate-enducing :)
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
It's "inducing"
And yes, I’m an authority. But I admit I have help.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Then you shouldn't read anything I write
Sorry, couldn’t resist.
;-)
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
What's the 3 year rule?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
actually you would be wrong
he was one of the small school pet cats I liked. look for my other posts and you will find it. him and AOA were my two pet cats and I am happy we got them.
now Raf had a post regarding the “Wisdom of the Masses”. I may not have time to watch video of every player. after all much like you I am lurk on webistes to post and debate, but I read a lot of different analysis from different sites. and thus the “wisdom of the masses” as Raf put it very well. his read up on most places is very similar to Rat. his measurables are very similar as well. if you recall Raqt started at DE and then moved to DT.
I would assume about 5% of 6th and 7th rounders stick on rosters. but Dallas has had a history of success with 6th, 7th rounders and UDFA (Romo, Austin, Rat, Crayton, Ogltree, Hurd, Ball, Phillips). I think its a higher percentage than most other teams, but it would require Raf to do the detailed statistical analysis.
so yes, a 6th or 7th rounder may not have a chance of sticking around on most NFL teams. but in dallas there is a 15% chance.
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I forgot another one
Bowen is in there as well. so the percentage should be 17%.
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Triangle #'s as a way to rate players...
Sounds like you’ve dusted off Gil Brandt’s computer?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I didn't ask for stats
you did. I just presented FACTS and now you are dismissing them. what else do you need to know?
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Nothing. You've been entirely clear.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Don't the Percentages in General
But it’s not hard to figure them for Dallas. I’ll arbitrarily start with 2005, but we could go back earlier if you wanted:
2005: Justin Beriault. Injured, never played
2005: Rob Petitti. Made the team, played terrible, but is still in the league. If your point is he didn’t stick on a roster, I agree with you.
2005: Jay Ratliff. Current All Pro.
2006: Montavious Stanley. Like Petitti, he has bounced around.
2006: Pat McQuistan. Has not played well, but has stuck on the roster for four years.
2006: E.J. Whitley. Didn’t make the final roster cut.
2007: Alan Ball. Starting free safety, for now.
2007: Courtney Brown. Was on the roster for two years.
2007: Deon Anderson. Currently starting FB.
2007: Nick Folk. On roster for two years. Made Pro Bowl.
2008: Erik Walden. Cut but has spent the last two years with the Dolphins.
2009: Stephen Hodge. Injured, future career uncertain.
2009: John Phillips. Solid third tight end.
2009: Mike Mickens. Did not make final roster.
2009: Manuel Johnson. Currently on the practice squad.
That’s 15 players, and I would organize them into four categories: Starter, Solid Contributor, Journeyman, Washout.
Starters (3): Ratliff, Anderson, Ball
Solid (2): Folk, Phillips
Journeymen (6): Petitti, Stanley, McQuistan, Brown, Walden, Johnson
Washout (4): Beriault, Mickens, Whitley, Hodge
So the odds of each category are: Starter, 20%; Solid Contributor, 13%; Journeyman, 40%; Washout, 27%
So the odds are against a sixth or seventh round pick—no surprise there—but I would not assume they will automatically be gone. Some stick around, and a few go to the Pro Bow. The selection process is so uncertain, that one has to bring in those very late round picks to see if they play. Sometimes they can!
Agreed
I think the idea I was poking fun at was pro bowlers coming from late rounds.
When it happens, everyone hears about it because of it’s improbability.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
who mentioned probowlers?
the point was you can find a back up player in later rounds. sometimes you get lucky (once every 5-10 years) and you find a probowler. I included the UDFAs because they are fighting the same odds.
as mentioned in other responses most 6th and 7th rounders have warts of some kind or another.
too slow
too stiff
low level of competition
too small
take you pick. but usually ones with some kind of a good measurable sticks around, specially if they are quick learners. Rat, had size and quickness but knock on him was that he didn’t have a position in college and bounced around and was certainly the case his first couple of years in the league. crayton didnt’ have great speed but had size, learned fast and had great hands. ball was too small but had great speed and tenacity and he learned. Austin had the size, decent hands and great speed, but was raw.
same things you hear about lessimore, good size, great motor, good speed, but played in small school and is a bit raw.
will he learn? is he a good study? is he willing to put in the work to stick around, some of those are character issues that have been positive about him in pre-draft reads.
sometimes they get lucky and go to the right place and stick around. sometimes they end up in the wrong place and won’t get a chance.
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Quincyyyyyy did
You just need to scroll up a bit.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Q, have you ever gone back and looked at your previous Mocks to see how the players panned out?
Might be worth a post if you could round up drafts from 3-5 years ago…
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Pretty much agree with your assessment 5Blings
Dez pick is an A + in my opinion. Dallas was lucky he fell on draft day, and they only moved up slightly to get him. Great pick and great way to avoid giving up much to get him.
Lee, I didn’t like that pick at first, but after digesting it, I think he’s going to be a younger version of Brooking, and I think Wade has a keen eye for LB’s. So I’m happy with the pick. In a couple seasons we should have Lee and Williams as the starting inside combo who can both play 3 downs, and that’s a big upgrade in speed over what Dallas has right now.
I would give that pick a B+ because the Cowboys had him rated as a 1st, and got him in the 2nd, but they did give up a little more than I would have liked to move up.
AOA was a great pick, after missing out on Allen, Burnett, Wright he was the best cover FS prospect remaining. He’ll need a season before taking the starting spot, but in the meantime he can contribute on ST, and nickel and dime defenses. Maybe even provide depth at CB if needed.
Wall and Lissemore, liked both these picks. Wall had a rough rookie minicamp, but he’s got a nice resume’ to be a nickel/dime CB and ST ace. Lissimore, will be interesting to see what happens with him. He definitely needs some work, but could be a gem.
The OL wasn’t addressed very well in the draft, I’m not a fan of the Young pick, and I don’t see much to get excited about in the UDFA pool. So that knocks an otherwise good solid A, down to a B to B-. I think they have to look at the FA OL available the rest of the off-season and bring in a swing OT and maybe C, depending on what the backup’s show in camp.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
What camp cuts might make sense?
Baltimore can’t pay Gaither AND Oher, can they?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I'd look at the teams who took OL in the 1st or 2nd
Someone is getting pushed off the roster in SF, for example.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on May 4, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but those guys suck.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Of course
But do they suck less than the current OL depth? Maybe, maybe not.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
Man, that's a great point.
APS 1
5B 0
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
why not?
if they are making a push. gaither on the left. oher on the right. we know they have depth. what luxuary. so they have gaither at about 2 mill for one year. who wouldn’t take that.
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions
They aren't paying Gaither that much.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 4, 2010 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions
But Gaither wants to start!
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
they could actually start him
and they played it smart. he can start, with oher on the other side. they have depth at tackle, since because of injury they needed it last year. plus Denver just lost clady, so they may be interested in gaither as well (although they would have to figure out what to do with Clady when he returns).
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
He could play the right side.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 4, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Nah
He’s not a RT.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
agreed
Gaither is a LT. Oher actually played the right side and played well
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Well...
then I’m sure they’ll go after Gaither if he’s released.. but I still doubt it.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 4, 2010 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions
You doubt they'll cut him?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Yep...
From everything I’ve read they don’t plan on releasing him. I mean there isn’t really a reason to, besides him wanting to start.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 4, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I think he's a Raven in 2010
Didn’t sound like BAL was very serious about trying to trade him, JMO.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
I think he and his agent will make a stink
Kinda like terry when I said Romo had a bad game after we played the Giants last year.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Oh I'm sure they will...
but there isn’t anything in the Raven’s past that makes me feel like they’ll care.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
How is ILB depth any less of a concern than OL depth?
Sean Lee was a good, possibly great pick. Also, I think you are immensely underestimating Jason Williams. The guy was injured most of last year, but he is gonna be a beast. He’s one of the guys Wade is most looking forward to seeing this summer. He and Lee play opposite positions (although Lee CAN play Williams’ position if need be), so they are the perfect young LB tandem of the future. Brooking has maybe one more season left in him (I think when he’s starts to fade, it’s going to be over REAL quick) and Bradie James has been one of those no-man’s-land guys forever (not bad enough to cut, but not good enough to really be a pillar of a defense). He now will be expendable eventually because we have competent guys backing him up (not Bobby).
You answered your own question
If you believe in J-will, then the ILB’s (both of whom are studs) are starting the season with better depth than Pat Mcquistan could ever provide to our untested LT.
One more thing I want to say here…
This disrespect for Bradie James is completely unwarranted. every coach he has ever had on this team has sang his praises from the mountaintops and yet he gets dissed here.
I dismiss this baseless criticism of a guy who’s been a true warrior through good times and bad for this team and those of you poking at him should be ashamed of yourselves. The guy comes to work each day, does the dirty work and is a locker room stalwart.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
You could have substituted "Romo" for "James" before last year and the paragraph would still hold true.
Something to consider….
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on May 3, 2010 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
No
I haven’t seen Bradie James in Cabo during the off week with his star-studded posse.
So I reject your comment as a poor juxtaposition (and one that will likely now get me into BIG trouble).
Thanks a lot.
;-)
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
You would be right
except for the fact that by coaches accounts, which you validate with your comment about Bradie’s praises being sung, Romo is that same type of guy (locker room stalwart, true warrior, etc.). Plus I highly doubt you would have qualms with me calling Jason Witten the same type of guy as James and yet he was there in Cabo alongside Romo. So I think the comparison is actually pretty apt.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on May 4, 2010 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions
Ouch
The Witten thing hurts me. But I blame Romo for making him go too (helps me sleep at night).
The point is this, though. Romo has brought a lot of the scrutiny he has faced upon himself by making poor decisions, on and off the field.
I see him improving in both areas.
James never had such questions asked about him.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
And let's not hijack this with a Romo dialogue
I’d much rather discuss why they took Sam Young over the other players still left on the board.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Well that I am in certain agreement with.
I actually actively was hoping they wouldn’t take Sam Young when they took him. I hated the pick when they made it and still do. I honestly would have rather forgone getting any OL depth at all and taken the best alternate player at just about any position.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on May 4, 2010 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree!
There were still some good defensive players on the board and unless they think Young will beat out McQ, I don’t get it at all.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Unless Young surprises everyone to the upside, you're gonna be right about this one.
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
I don't think James's actual on the field game
is nearly as inscrutable as you seem to suggest. Regardless, I am glad we can all agree that Romo took great strides this year. The only difference is where we saw his starting point going into the year.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on May 4, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I defer to your infinite wisdom embedded in the compromise above
Well done.
Now, back to Sean Lee.
You’d take him over Ducasse?
Over Asamoah?
Veldheer?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
To be honest, I would have like to see the Cowboys
pick Morgan Burnett with that pick simply because he was a “pet cat” of mine. In fact, when we picked Sean Lee I certainly uttered a nice profanity and exchanged some interesting texts with another Cowboys fan friend since I couldn’t see the logic for picking yet another LB (and if we had to take a LB I was a big fan of Donald Butler out of UW). Now that we have in fact seen the Cowboys board I am going to have faith in their scouts. I also personally have come around a little on our need and want for another ILB.
In all honesty though, I would have given the Cowboys draft an A for sure if they had taken Burnett there in the second and gone with a guy like Marshall Newhouse in the fourth alongside Akwasi (I think we could have taken both since Akwasi can play CB as well as safety).
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on May 4, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, giving up that 4th really burned me.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
how many 4th rounders make it in the NFL
do you have a stat of how many 4th rounders make it in the NFL? I know we have 4 on the team.
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
No, but I bet more of them stick than 7ths
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
show me numbers
or are you just guessing?
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Guessing
I let OCC handle the #’s.
I spend all my time keeping up with comments from people like you…
:-)
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
5B, I too wished we had found a way to get Veldheer or Ducasse
… but they both would have been projects. Your own argument is for this “window” that you somehow believe is quickly closing. Neither of those guys – or any other O-Line pick we had a shot at – would have made an impact this year or perhaps even next.
You seem to think you know Lee’s potential better than our FO … I for one accept their high grade, their assessment of his injury, and ultimately their decision to pick him when they did.
Time will tell. But you’re a bit more than arrogant believing you know these other guys were better choices. The Cowboys liked AOA equally to Burnett, so that argument is moot. Same with the O-Line guys.
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
oh oh
don’t call him out. he doesn’t like it.
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions
No
Actually I do.
It gives me a chance to call out the flaws in others’ thinking. That, and the inability to use capital letters appropriately.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
or
it also provides you with the opportunity to display your lack of complete grasp in certain areas.
just saying.
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I think both of those guys could have challenged the incumbants
It’s a statement about what’s in front of them.
Lee isn’t going to push Brooking for starting reps.
Does that make it clearer?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
but he could
challenge and oust Carpenter as the nickle LB. one of the reasons James sack and pressure productivity dropped last year was because of slight change in scheme from Burnette to Carpenter. two years ago Burnette who despite his size was better at shedding blocks and better in pass protection allowed James to attack the LOS and resulting in 8 sacks. Last year to protect Carpenter we adjusted the scheme and James dropped back a little more. carpenter sucked, he was below average. he made some plays but also altered how we like to do things.
yeah I know nickle LB isn’t a starting position but they play significant amount of time and its a critical role.
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I've never liked James too much
Going back to the 2007 or 2008 season, when he seemed to have the tendency to celebrate after making a solid tackle….8 yards from the line of scrimmage.
He seemed awkward in that leadership role (I remember he had some interesting quotes when the team was ignoring its poor defensive play early in 08), and in terms of his play on the field, he wasn’t anything special. Outside the second half of the 08 season I think hes been a pretty average, though reliably healthy, starter.
If you want to look at our defensive starters, and how they perform vs. what we expect of their position, James is pretty far down there. But then again, we do have an absurd amount of talent on this D.
Lunch pail guy...no locker room stupidity...
but I agree that he’s not a leader, but then, neither is the defense’s best player.
Brooking filled the leadership void and gave the defense an identity last year.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Yea but theres a difference
between an elite player whose quiet leading by example (Ware) and an average player forced into the leadership role who has done it pretty awkwardly.
Quiet leadership by example was probably something better suited for Bradie as well
I wonder how Ware would do if thrust into that role?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
you have to look at it before and after
before the draft we had little depth on the OL. little depth for the MLB position, unless you think Carpenter is considered depth. we have brewster and jason williams for each respective psotion. both of whom are developmental players. we have proctor OL equivalent of carpenter.
so both positions have age for starters. they are set as starters. lack depth and developmental players.
so do you reach for an OL in the second?
or do you grab a guy you rated as a 1st rounder?
both positions of need?
you think we should have reached. because you rate OL depth a higher need than LB depth.
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions
As did anyone who had an IQ above that of a rock
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
apparantley then you think
our coaching staff, our scouting dept, Jerry Jones all have IQ less than a Rock.
OK, that clears it up.
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I think they make bonehead decisions at draft time
Seriously, are you new here or have you been living under a rock?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I am kind of new around here
what rock do you live under?
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions
This entire post makes for a great read
….not gonna ruin it with a football comment of my own. LOL. Super good stuff on many levels.
Hey stargazer
I write this stuff so you WILL comment.
Don’t ever shy away from jumping into the fray.
We may seem a wild bunch at times, but we all have that common thread binding us together. We want to see the Cowboys win more blings.
;-)
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Not so much shying away
Just this post has been so comprehensive that I can’t really think of anything to add. I will say that Boys’ fans, I truly believe are the most knowledgeable, dedicated (maybe maniacal) and loyal.
Hmmmm, maniacal...
WHERE IS FIGHTER15?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I am a little disappointed 5Blings
Why isn’t Gopork on that list of missed 2009 draftees?
GOPORK!!!
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
My badddddddddddddd
Ugh.
I spent a week in Maui and I am not myself.
Apologies, APS.
Kropog is already a solid backup for the Titans and he’d have me breathing easier after THIS draft if he was sitting behind Columbo and Free.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Forgiven and agreed with
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
I bow to 5Blings expertise
because he obviously puts alot of study and film-time into his analysis. I’ve been following Dallas since I saw my first game at the Cotton Bowl as a kid and always tried to read up on college players long before the draft became huge like it is now. That being said, I’ve always had my fav’s and plenty of them turned out to be busts for Dallas or other teams. ‘Course I hit on some (Staubach, since he was my childhood hero at Navy), Emmitt (since I’m from FL and followed him through HS and college). But I know I will never be an expert at player analysis. So, who knows? We may get lucky and hit on all these draft choices, or none. My age and experience makes me no better or worse than most fans but this site has some of the most insiteful, intelligent argument on the web. I appreciate all the brains on here (Raf, OCC, 5Blings, Dalai, Chandus,Sublimz, Wolf (wicked sense of humor) and many other I can’;t remember right now. But, I do pray each year ALL our players excell and support JJ for one reason: He does ANYTHING he can to make my team better. All I can ask of an owner.
Roger Staubach was the original Captain Comeback......alas, I am but a Cheap Imitation.
Formerly JAHII
Thanks to OCC, Sublimz and others for the avatars!
Why didn't you go with the cap with the gun?
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 4, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
it does make for a good argument
and to pass the time until the real season gets here.
I just hate thinking of july looming and absolutely no football news…..its the longest month of the year
Blings Knows How to Light Up
A fanpost. He can get the comment count spinning like it is the super unleaded meter in the gas pump.
Respect.
Thanks brother...
Gotta keep the home fires burning while we wait for camp to start.
BTW, who is going to camp this year?
I want to heckle Sam Young and see if the guy has any stones.
Plus, I want to show Cisky my post about the Cowboys’ War Room and get his reaction.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
credit where it's due ... 5Blings RULES when it comes to generating debate!!!
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
... even if he's wrong most of the time
he’s like an upgraded version of TEX?
:)
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Hrrmph
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
bottom line Bling is this
The draft isn’t about selecting for need, it’s about selecting talent, especially in the first two rounds. The only time this isn’t the case in under two circumstances. First, when the BPA is a qb and you already have a franchise qb. Second, when the BPA plays a position your absolutely stacked, like for us, RB and TE.
If the Cowboys had Lee ranked as their 16th best player available, it’s a no brainer to take him or even trade up to get him as they did. You don’t draft the highest rated safety or OL just because they are immediate need positions. Although, IMO ILB is just as much of a need as safety and OL.
In Romo we Trust
Well put ...
ILB is just as much of a need as safety and OL.
When you look at how good the Cowboys are at acquiring OLinemen through FA (Bigg, Kosier, Colombo) … why bother with the draft? Especially when you consider the imminent window 5B seems so certain of :)
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
20/20 hindsight
No one was saying that before the draft.
Now, everyone thinks that.
I get it. Trust me, I get it.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Actually...
there were about 4 threads on the main page that said ILB was a major need, not a need over OL, but a major one.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 4, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, therein lies the point
Where exactly was ILB in the Cowboys’ hierarchy of needs?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
... asking where ILB was in their hierarchy is a far cry from saying there was no discussion at all
… just sayin’
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
No. it isn't
I pointed out very clearly that nobody had a mock with Lee in it (okay, no one who doesn’t run a draft web site…happy now OCC?).
It’s a fact that has not been refuted.
The extension is that people like Chandus and others agreed that it sat below OL, DL, FS, PK. You can’t laud the position pick now and not be called out for being sheepish.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I believe somewhere I posted ILB as 3rd, behind O-Line and Safety
which was a common belief … I’m way to lazy to go looking, but maybe you can prove me wrong?
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Dude, I went out and got all those links...I'm done!
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I know how hard this is for you Blings
so I will happily accept yet another roundabout concession.
by One.Cool.Customer on May 4, 2010 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh come on, you're like France
Don’t roll over so easily.
;-)
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Your insights continue to astound me.
I am in fact in France right this very minute. I am in a cheesy business hotel, it’s 2.24 am here, I should be fast asleep as I have a sales conference to attend tomorrow, yet I spend my time debating I-don’t-even-remember-what with you. And please don’t ever tell a German he’s like France.
by One.Cool.Customer on May 4, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Or the Opposite
I once asked a kind, middle-aged German woman in the town of Wittlich directions. She spoke little English, and I spoke even less German. After a minute of not being able to communicate, I wondered if I could put some of my conversational French to use, but when I asked her Parlez-vous français?, you would have thought I’d asked if her daughter was turning tricks on the streets. Note to self: Never speak French in Germany, never speak German in France.
Who are you, Jeff Ireland?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
You wanna know if my momma was a WHAT?!?!
I am gonna kick your %%&^$&#!
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Grab me a Coq au Vin and a nice Bordeaux on your way home, will ya?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
You seem upset
…so un-Zen-like.
What can I do to help?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
well below OL and right around safety
I don’t think safety was nearly as big a need as you say, and it was still adressed.
I would say
1 OL
2a Safety
2b ILB
2c Kicker
3a Dline
3b Corner
3c WR
Hopefully, this draft sends safety and ILB and WR down a ways. Next year, Oline, Dline and Corner will be our biggest needs by far (assuming no serious injuries)
When do we stop saying "next year" to O-line?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Next year
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on May 4, 2010 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions
THAT'S NOT FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Do NOT encourage the Domer...
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
when the draft presents us with quality OL when we're selecting
Picking OL just to pick them because it’s a need position is beyond stupid.
In Romo we Trust
Were you sleeping when they were handing out senses of humor?
Or did you just waive them off?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Just the facts, Ma'am...
I went back to EVERY mock dating back to my own (which I still think is the most fun) on BTB and not only did I not find a single one showing ILB as the poster’s selection at ANY pick, I only found ONE COMMENT on any thread (shout out to my brutha Cowboyfan729) espousing the virtues of an ILB, namely Donald Butler, who the Chargers shared the same man-love for. Prescient son of a gun…
So I say again to all of you who are singing the praises of the pick for an ILB after the fact, WHERE WERE YOU BEFORE THE CARD WAS READ???
FAQ’s
Yes, I am calling you out. No, I’m not taking you seriously if you can’t call balls and strikes when it comes to your team’s front office because you’re a sheep. Yes, I like Sean Lee as a player. No, I don’t like him at the spot we took him, given our needs. Yes, I wanted to see an OT taken early. No, I wouldn’t have traded away our 4th rounder. Yes, I’m tired now.
;>)
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2010/4/22/1436579/cowboys-biggest-draft-needs-by
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2010/4/21/1435902/scouts-inc-dallas-mock
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2010/4/20/1432564/feeling-the-pressure-my-last-mock
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2010/4/17/1427499/nfl-draft-2010
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2010/4/19/1429876/quincyyyyys-highly-anticipated
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2010/4/21/1435600/just-waiting-for-the-draft
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2010/4/16/1426064/keep-on-mockin-in-the-free-world
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2010/4/14/1422493/my-first-attempt-at-a-draft
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Go back and look at my final mock
I had us taking Danny Batten
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
What I also find interesting about my mock
is I was pretty spot on, almost all the players went where I thought they would go.
The ones I was off were only by a round: Sanders went in the 3rd and not the fourth, John Conner went in the 6th and not the 7th, and AOA went in the 4th and not the 3rd.
I think that is pretty good accuracy.
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
It's VERY good, Quincyyyy
I hope we don’t regret missing out on Sanders.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
But would he have beaten out Hurd?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I Don't Think So
Hurd is one of our better gunners, along with Watkins and Ball. If one of the other DBs could take Hurd’s place on special teams, then maybe.
I guess I was echoing a sentiment made by a few others
…that we need some smaller, waterbug WR’s who can cut quickly and help Romo out in blitz situations.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Ok, I'll jump in
I wrote 2 posts:
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2010/1/23/1266392/draft-talk-with-the-senior-bowl
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2010/3/23/1386939/to-reach-or-not-to-reach-its-all
In both, I mentioned a need for an ILB (In to reach or not to… I included a bonus option for ILB in the poll). It was of course a need that I wasn’t highlighting because I have no access to inside information, for example, how high or low they were on a drafted prospect from last year (Stephen Hodge) or how high or low they were on Carpenter, James and Brooking in the Nickel and Dime packages from last year.
As soon as I started reading Rafael’s posts about the needs and what he was hearing from his sources I didn’t post another mock, because if the regular mocks are a matter of throwing darts at a wall, this one was just too hard to read… Things could have gone in any direction… But I wouldn’t be surprized by the direction that the team took and I wasn’t.
Because I saw a need, even if it wasn’t one of my big ones in March and February.
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
HUH?
In the first link, you listed OL, DL, FS and K. All of these were aggreeable to me. So where’s the ILB piece?
In your second post, ILB isn’t even in your poll!!!!
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!?!?
Chandus, I love you only because you make me scratch my head with every one of your comments. ;-)
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Mmmh, someone is in dire need of reading lessons...
My first post was written in January and I mentioned OLine, DLine, FS and K as major needs and then I mentioned WR, ILB, FB and CB as positions that were also needs.
My second post was about reaching in the 1st Round and I indeed included ILB in the poll (it’s the last option with bonus in parenthesis). If you look at that, I was actually making a case for picking an ILB in the 1st Round…
And now, this is what you asked:
So I say again to all of you who are singing the praises of the pick for an ILB after the fact, WHERE WERE YOU BEFORE THE CARD WAS READ???
There I was, considering ILB a position of need in January and March.
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
I see...
So after you clearly outlined the first four areas of need, you subsequently “mentioned” ILB as part of four secondary areas of need.
Is that what you’re saying?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Yes
And that means that if they rated an ILB higher than any other player that they were supposed to take him.
Because it’s a pick that should solve a need.
In your opinion, ILB wasn’t a need… I’m just saying that I could see, even back then in January and in my average uninformed view (I only had what I saw with my own eyes), that ILB was a need.
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
So, in essence, it was one of 4 positions of need somewhere after the first 7 posiitions of need?
That’s 11 positions of need, Chandus.
Let’s try this differently. What positions DIDN’T you think were positions of need?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Hey, Trent Dilfer has a Super Bowl Ring!
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
My Beer Blog: http://tiltingsuds.wordpress.com/
Yes, he does
Just like Peyton Manning, Eli Manning and Drew Brees…
Good for him!
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
QB, RB, TE, OLB, SS and P.
BTW, going into the Draft I was still of the belief that OLine was our team highest need, which continues to be… But I could understand their movement because positions like WR and ILB were also positions of need…
Your point, apparently, is that ILB wasn’t a position of need because James and Brooking are great players… But my eyes, Rafael’s eyes, any guy that I respect that has also reviewed the games and the number of sites that grade performance from players disagree with your opinion…
But hell, that’s us, you on the other hand are quite another entity…
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
My point was not as you interpreted
It was that, although we could use a ILB as a long term replacement for Brooking/Bradie, it wasn’t a need that would be on par with the obvious problems at OL evidenced by past regular season and (last year’s) playoff failure.
Thus you have to question the team being so aggressive to get Lee when good OL prospects were still on the board.
Is that disagreeable to you? If so, why?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
that depends
Brookings is 35. not exactly spring chicken. he is not a 3 down LB and gives way to “carpenter” on 3rd downs. that alone should tell you something about the position. James is not a spring chicken. both of these guys need replaced.
on the other hand, although the OL men are older, they have much longer and still effective careers. its rare to see an effective 35 year old LB. mostly because of the type of collisions they have to endure, their careers are short lived.
not only that, in the 3-4 defense its an essential and CRITICAL part of the defense.
the problem is you see a very short window of opportunity (one year) to win. where if we didn’t address the need for the ILB position we would be in whole heap of trouble.
also, there wasn’t going to be one lineman we could draft in the 2nd round that would have any type of impact over the next couple of years.
you have also ignored the fact that 3/5 of our line came to us via FA, which is not unheard of.
by CowboysFanatic on May 5, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
I haven't ignored the fact that the OL has consistently let the team down in the playoffs
Could you say the same about the ILB’s?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I’m thinking that the Cowboys decision has a lot to do with their belief that Lee will play and play a lot this year, while a player like Ducasse would be a project that may play in 2011.
A project very much like Brewster, who you dislike. The Cowboys rated Ducasse as a high 4th Round pick, just like they rated Brewster. Gosselin gave both guys like 3rd ratings. Both of them had questions marks, which is why they were rated were they did and you can’t tell me that Ducasse is that much better of a prospect, that’s impossible, even for a guy like you.
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
That may have been their thinking, but let's look at it more broadly...
Brewster had a nondescript career in college and he was another shocker when Dallas drafted him (check the draft day comments on BTB for proof). Ducasse was taken at #71 and is the likely candidate to take over for All-Pro Alan Faneca in NY.
I see a distinct difference between them.
Would you be shocked to see Ducasse lining up next to Mangold to start the season?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
No, they had questions mainly due to very different circumstances
Ducasse – He has very little experience and is extremely raw.
Brewster – Face lower level competition and dropped a lot of weight after his Junior year and played much better at 330 pounds
Both guys were known because they could move well enough even in their atypical circumstances… And that’s why they were drafted were they did, but they’re still projects.
And I wouldn’t be shocked to see him starting next to Mangold, but that has a lot to do with them having a bigger hole than what Kosier and Davis are… Which is starters that should be replaced and soon.
As I told you before, I wanted OLine help, I still want OLine help, but I could see a need in other positions and if the team really believes in Lee and didn’t had the confidence required to draft an OLine prospect then they made the right call.
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Interesting that the Jets viewed Ducasse in such a way as to want to release Faneca
..and Dallas did not feel the same way about the lesser accomplished Kosier, who lots of BTB’ers rail on.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
No, there you can't be more wrong...
Ducasse isn’t the heir apparent of Faneca, Faneca had months in the streets as a Free Agent at the time of the Draft, so, the Jets had a huge hole at LG.
If you can say something about the drafting of Ducasse is that the Jets reached for need.
And that tends to be a bad thing… That’s how you end up with bad performing players, ala Levi Brown, Bobby Carpenter, etc.
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Chandus...
Ugh. You have done it again. Commented with an abundance of error. I love you man, but think you need to slow your roll. Correcting you is a full time job.
Read your comment please.
Then go on the web please.
Then read the date the Jets released Faneca.
Then read the date the second round took place.
Then come back.
BUT NOT UNTIL!!!
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Haha
You got me there… Dunno why I was thinking that Faneca was released in February… Got confused by another player release, or something… Ok.
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
No worries
I still love ya.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Back at ya
But why aren’t you telling me sweety pie? I don’t see why I don’t deserve Dalai’s treatment…
:D
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
He made me a pet cat...what can I do?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
so I guess the jets are right about everything
and we know nothing. I mean if the jets did it, it must be right.
by CowboysFanatic on May 7, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, that's EXACTLY what I was saying
Your powers of intuition defy description.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Now you're just being silly.
Admiral Dallas ’ mock had him going in the first round to the Ravens.
Also:
Now I think Sean Lee is a football playing dude. He is great at getting off blocks and moving through traffic. He has an injury history, but if the Cowboys organization cleared him, I’d be ecstatic to draft Lee.
by 24Hz on Mar 25, 2010 5:42 PM EDT link
Another one:
We could definitely use another option at ILB, although I would rather have the intelligence and leadership of his teammate Sean Lee.
by Yoko Romo on Mar 31, 2010 7:21 PM EDT reply link
Raf also had him on his radar and subsequently included him in two of his boards, albeit once in the third and once in the fourth.
The team has also shown interest in Penn State LB Sean Lee, who can play inside and out. Both [Lee & B. Spikes] now project somewhere from the very late 2nd to the late 3rd. link
He showed up twice as a 2nd round pick in my mock draft compilations here and here.
by One.Cool.Customer on May 4, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Besides mocks...
Aaron and Raf both had repeatedly said that ILB was a huge need. I mean, I think everyone thought OL and S would be addressed first, but it was on the radar.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 4, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
He showed up twice as a 2nd round pick in my mock draft compilations here and here.
Balderdash!
Each of those has a DIFFERENT player sitting in the 2nd round spot. The law of averages (you should know better) says that if you go to enough sources, SOMEBODY would pick it once. And they did, once in each compilation. What that proves? It proves that in both cases, the overarching majority of those sources you cited didn’t see Lee or ILB as a likely option. So thanks for that.
And in Raf’s “Part 19” (Really? Part 19????) of the draft series, Lee’s name comes up. At some point after 19 takes, have you not mentioned EVERY draft-eligible player as an option for Dallas? Well, congratulations are definitely in order there, eh Kreskin?
On Yoko Romo’s quote, I didn’t think he was suggesting we draft Lee because ILB was a primary need (impossible to know for sure), but it seemed he was simply stating Lee was a better option than Bowman to play inside. In fact, I think he was hip to hip with me on Arrelious Benn in that thread.
Sorry OCC, nothing convincing here.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
lol, so this is how you keep the threads going
Your initial assertion:
not only did I not find a single one showing ILB as the poster’s selection at ANY pick, I only found ONE COMMENT on any thread
My reply counters that assertion. Convincingly (I add with a smug grin).
by One.Cool.Customer on May 4, 2010 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh come on...
You compiling other sources across the internet doesn’t count.
You (and your smugness) know exactly what I was saying.
How about your OWN mock, OCC?
Did you hit a bull’s eye with an ILB at #2?
:-)
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
5Blings, really ... you calling anyone smug is hard to take
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Smugness is relative
Lord knows I’ve been wrong enough times to force a grin out of OCC and others.
This time? Not so much.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Was your point my point too?
I’m so confused!!!
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Wait a Minute
Who’s arguing with whom? About what? Maybe we should declare a truce, pick a random topic and start another debate…
I am in favor of the whole Tazer thing at the Phillies game
Anyone want to counterpoint?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Sure
Let’s see, you were in favor, right? Then I’m adamantly opposed. How ’bout that for a start? Or would you like to take the other side instead?
Yep
Pros: you get to see a guy writhe in pain, it’s funny, the guy has to be a moron to get into a situation like that, it’s funny and…wait for it…it’s probably an Eagle fan.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
You're a Libra, aren't you darlin?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Over 600 comments and that's your contribution?
Come on Sean…I know you have more to offer.
What’s your view???
Grade the draft. Buds, Studs or Duds?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
How about this?
Aaron’s post right before the draft:
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2010/4/22/1436546/nfl-draft-2010-a-pre-draft
“MLB: Keith Brooking should have enough in the tank for 2010, but how about ‘11?. Bradie James is not spectacular, but a solid defensive captain. Behind them, it’s Bobby Carpenter, Jason Williams, and Stephen Hodge. If you consider that Carpenter may not be with the team long-term, and Hodge still has to prove he can make the 53, that just leaves Williams.
Need: High"
And the follow up comments.
Answer
In order of importance, he listed OT, OG, FS and KICKER (hehehe) above ILB.
I agree with that lineup which, not coincidentally, was what Chandus and others put up in their needs assessment posts.
Right?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
you asked where anyone said ilb was a need
I think this is proof multiple people though it was a need. I didn’t say it was as big a need as the OL – it wasn’t. Also, there are a few posts of people bringing up Sean Lee.
If you’re going to be upset about a certain position being picked, wr makes more sense.
Let me caveat that then...
Show me an instance where someone who didn’t list EVERY position as an area of need.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Blings, you've lost this argument 50 times in this thread, yet merely continue to rephrase it?
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Can you paraphrase the argument itself?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
okay, I'll take the bait ...
5Blings: “we’re wasting our brief window by not drafting an O-Lineman…”
kinda simplistic, but that’s how you roll :)
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
And that argument has been lost how?
By seeing Romo on his back more than on his feet in the Vikings game?
Okay, if that’s how it works in Nepal, I can’t contend with your…er…logic.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
so tell us oh great guru
which OL man could have come in and helped us stop romo from getting on his back (involuntary that is).
unles we don’t draft dez and trade up by giving up more to get either Bulaga, Iupati or Pouncy. Of the three bulaga’s chances of unseating columbo would be very small.
by CowboysFanatic on May 5, 2010 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, start with my post...
How about Ducasse and Jason Fox? Both were there for Dallas.
If they’d kept their 4th, how about moving up a few spots to take Campbell who wowed them in Raider mini-camp?
I’m sure there are others…
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
5Blings, surely you don't think Ducasse or Fox were starting this year?
If you want to help Romo this year, why not turn this thread into a FA witch-hunt?
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Not sure I have a choice after their O-line negligence in the draft, brother.
But this discussion still has legs, so let’s see where it leads.
I think Ducasse is being looked at as the heir apparent to Faneca in New York.
Think about it; wouldn’t it have been nice to see Dallas draft Dez, Burnett, Fox, A.J. Edds (for you ILB lovers), Selvish Capers and Lissemore?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I like Lee and AOA over Burnett and Fox
agree on Selvish and Capers
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Do you think Burnett would have started over Ball?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
errrr...
I did in my feeble attempt of a mock. I didn’t have us take one in the first two rounds, but in rounds there after had a list of potential players we could take and I had ILB in all
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Did I miss that?
Can you post the link?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
here you go
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2010/4/14/1422493/my-first-attempt-at-a-draft
I actually had Sean Lee on the list of players in the 2nd round as a potential target.
I did end up with two of my pet cats, AOA and Lessimore.
by CowboysFanatic on May 5, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions
I saw that one and posted it
Props for having his name on there as being available, but I think a lot of people thought he would be. Like me and every other yahoo on here, you assumed that Dallas would address OL early (and often, based on your pick in round 4) because of where you thought Dallas needed help most.
I agreed with your foundation.
So, my point is that you DIDN’T think Dallas would take Lee. Neither did I. Neither did anyone else on BTB that I can find.
I believe our rationale for assuming Dallas would pass on Lee and take someone else from that candidate pool was sound.
I believe Dallas’ logic for going against our thinking was suspect.
Make sense?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
makes sense that you think this way
the problem is, you’re missing some key bits of info. namely, you’re grading players from afar and you’re grading Cowboys needs from afar.
But other than that, it makes sense :)
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
I don't understand a thing you just said...
which is par for the course.
It’s that Zen master thing.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
settle down, my little ball of confusion...
A. your player grades are different from the Cowboys scouts … to argue yours are better is a reach
B. your assessment of depth and team needs are short a few bits of information. you say yourself you don’t know about Brewster. Same with Bright I’d imagine. Seems you’re also confused about Free’s future. Here’s some news: the Cowboys are a bit more informed here.
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Well, obviously, that's where we differ.
You say no matter what the Cowboys decide, they must be right because they have ACCESS to info you and I may not have.
I say having access to information doesn’t always translate into good decision making.
Being able to distinguish between those two subtleties is what divides the two of us.
That, and I am much better looking.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
5Blings, I recommend you buy a mirror
:)
and by the way, I never even said anything about the Cowboys FO always being right … in fact quite the opposite … I take exception with YOU always thinking that way about your own evaluations
it’s a not-so-subtle distinction, but if you stare long enough at that shiny new mirror, it might start to dawn on you
:)
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
What good would my evaluations be if I considered them anything but right?
Where is the sense in that?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
difference is
not knowing the future you could argue until the cows come home that you are right and it will be a long debate as this one. because I can argue the same.
looking back, hindsight that is have you been 100% right?
the difference is cowboys FO knows they haven’t and they take actions to correct it.
by CowboysFanatic on May 5, 2010 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions
No, but I've been more right than Dallas since 2006
Okay, maybe that’s not saying all that much, but it’s a good start.
That’s why I was asking Quincyyyyy (I always question how many Y’s I need) about how his mocks have fared versus the picks Dallas made.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
why don't you pull up your posts from 2006 or 2007 and show us?
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
You mean you haven't committed them to memory?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
but I thought he would be available
and I am not as agood a scout as our own dallas cowboys. :)
I also didn’t think he would be available.
I took OL man early, but I also didn’t do a bunch of trades, which happened for not to have a 3rd and use an early 4th on AOA (my pick in the late 3rd).
no you don’t make sense.
you assume that we know better than the dallas scouting staff. but right or wrong they ranked Lee as a top 16 prospect. for them to take a top 16 prospect over one they had rated much much lower would have been assinine.
my point wasn’t just regarding lee. my point was that I had put in several rounds some potential ILB candidates and identified the position as one we need to address. I had also several other posts discussing the very topic.
you are making this into your own crusade against Lee, where a lot of the sub-topics don’t have to do anything with. you initial assertion was no one talked about lee. now that many showed they did in fact, you are changing directions and saying you didn’t pick him as a high candidate.
quit flip flopping around. quit changing the game trying to find one that fits your argument (when you lose it)
by CowboysFanatic on May 5, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Where exactly do you see that "initial assertion about Lee"?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
that he maybe available in the 2nd
but not when we pick him.
but that there was a chance for him to drop. that’s why I included him in the list of potential players that would be available with Burnette as the top prospect that woudl be available to us in the 2nd.
by CowboysFanatic on May 5, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's the quote so you don't get confused or continue to misrepresent it
I’m not arguing against ILB, but in Pavlov’s NFL hierarchy of needs, since we spent our top pick on an ILB last year, why weren’t the people who are lauding this pick have ILB listed early in any of their mocks?
I’ll tell you why, because no one thought that the need to build the talent pool at ILB trumped the need to help the OL and safety spots.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Pavlov had a dog...Maslow a hierarchy of needs
Just trying to keep the confusion and misinformation to bar-room standards.
by Left Coast Cowboy on May 5, 2010 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions
My gaffe
Thanks for reigning us in.
BTW, what was Pavlov’s dog’s name? Seems silly that he wasn’t referred to as “Butch” or “Killer”…
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
He used 4 dogs...
Druzhok, Sultan, Zhuchko and Tsygan. Rather than waste scarce brain cells trying to remember them we American’s just use Dog…they were basically the AOA of their time.
by Left Coast Cowboy on May 6, 2010 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions
So that's where Palin came up with her kids names
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
Makes sense
I think I remember her saying something about being able to see Pavlov playing with his dogs from her back yard…
by Left Coast Cowboy on May 7, 2010 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I think she meant Olshansky
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I bet Drago and Palin would become fast friends
Comparing Russian vs. American assault, err. "sporting" rifles; admiring the grace and power of wild grizzlies…and then turning them into trophies; and bitchin’ about suffering through 9 months of winter, with limited broadband access.
Might even spawn a fave reality TV show among the Tea Party demographic.
by Left Coast Cowboy on May 8, 2010 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions
So do they say Pavlov's DogS in other countries?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Not in the english speaking world at least
Try saying Pavlov’s Dogs 3 times fast…it’s just too painful and so most people will contract it just to avoid accidentally spitting on a cute someone at a dinner party. Heck most english speakers can’t even bother to get out the n’t in “couldn’t care less”…so they say something that’s the opposite of what they mean and don’t miss a beat. At the end of the day, if we get something 80% right we’re usually pretty pleased with ourselves…and besides in the rare case we get called out it’s easier and more fun to make that person look like a jackass than trying to be right all the time.
by Left Coast Cowboy on May 7, 2010 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I couldn't say it two times fast...much less three
As a result, I am just going to say “Zhuchko” from now on instead of Pavlov’s Dog.
So did they all react the same way in the experiment or was there some variance?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
If I remember right the heftier ones drooled more as they waited for treats.
Maybe if we raise enough money for Raf, he can bring some Snickers to camp and see if the same holds true for our OL.
by Left Coast Cowboy on May 8, 2010 2:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Quick, what's Pudgy's favorite snack food?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream
Irresistible to dogs and dough-boys alike.
by Left Coast Cowboy on May 8, 2010 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions
That's not fair...
even I would salivate to that!
Zhuchko never had a chance.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Wasn't always so easy
Pavlov’s early experiments using borscht and begging “iz gud…iz gud”, nearly broke the man.
by Left Coast Cowboy on May 8, 2010 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Borscht = what I puked after a night of too many Hurricanes at Pat O'Brien's in New Orleans
Nasty.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Dude
I didn’t even finish reading your comment before the memorable smell of late night Burbon St. came back way stronger than I’d have hoped…needless to say, unlike CCCD ice cream it didn’t make me drool.
by Left Coast Cowboy on May 10, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Every Cowboys fan should go to a game in New Orleans and down 4 of those things
It should be a right of passage.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Hand Grenades
Evil drink, I still have a couple plastic cups to remind me.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on May 10, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions
They're green!!!
I remember those!
Man they went down like Kool Aid.
But they came up like drain cleaner…
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I really loved Donald Butler but I definitely didn't see Sean Lee coming.
And to be honest, I don’t think anyone really did. How many people would have said when we traded up that is was for Sean Lee? I understand his name got thrown around a little, but I think it is a stretch to say people saw that coming at all.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on May 5, 2010 12:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Here is the MONEY comment
I definitely didn’t see Sean Lee coming.
And to be honest, I don’t think anyone really did.
And this has been my contention all along.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
and you have been proven wrong
that there were in fact many who thought about ILB position as a position of need and in fact they had talked about several ILB candidates and that in fact Lee was mentioned in several of the discussions. you can’t just can’t bring yourself to accept that there were many that didn’t (don’t) think like you and that you are in fact wrong. but its ok. the head swelling will go down after enough beat downs :)
by CowboysFanatic on May 5, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Not a position of need that trumped the other ones I (AND YOUI) cited first
…and you need to reject people who say we have 15 positions of need. That’s just ridiculous and not worthy of time on a post as cool as this one.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
YOU KNOW IT BABY!!!!!
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I didn't say we had 15 positions of need
In fact I had discussed OL as a top priority as well. the position I identified as needing to address
OL, ILB, CB, Saftey and then lastly WR.
but I also advocate not reaching for a player because of need. you always want the better player added to your team because in the big picture of things it will make your team better.
if you looked at my mock, I had us getting lucky with Pouncy in the first and if that didn’t happen then take an OT in the 4th.
other than QB, RB, TE I don’t think there was a position that we could have said we don’t need to draft for.
by CowboysFanatic on May 5, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
No, but many did
You picked two OL in 4 picks. Nuff said.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
It is definitely revisionist history to say that when the Cowboys traded up to #55
that we all thought they were likely going up for Sean Lee (or really anything other than OL or S). That much I definitely agree with you on. If anyone wants some proof, go look at the draft thread when we picked Lee. Let’s just say that almost everyone was either surprised or unhappy with the pick.
I also would just like to say that simply because some thought ILB was a need (what happened to a hierarchy of needs?) that that hardly means that they really expected Sean Lee to be the pick. We all know kicker is a need, but would anyone have expected us to pick one in the second round? Obviously that is an extreme example, but why must people here pretend they saw Sean Lee coming at #55 when I can guarantee most were expecting either Morgan Burnett or an offensive lineman when they saw Dallas’s logo appear at #55 .
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
No one, as best I can tell, stated that they projected Sean Lee to the Cowboys
But, and here’s were the debate becomes so specific it’s silly, quite a few of us anticipated that it was a strong possibility. Would I have been MORE estatic if the Cowboys picked Ducasse rather than Lee? Sure, I have no qualms saying it and it doesn’t shake my stance that Lee was still an excellent value pick. Ducasse would have gotten an A+ grade from me, Lee gets an A- or B+ at worst. I’m not blindly accepting the Cowboys’ draft board as gospel, they could be off on both players, but, the extent of the criticism by the OP of the pick is well over the top.
I think the thing that should be made clear is just because some didn't see it coming
doesn’t make it a bad pick. I think too many people here are trying to say that they saw the Lee pick coming to somehow legitimize it within their own beliefs. In my opinion, just because we didn’t expect it doesn’t make it a bad pick. Like I have said many times I did not see the Lee pick coming at all on the basis that there was expected value at O-line and S still available (this was before the board was leaked). However, since I have had time to digest the pick and see how the FO graded the players I have come around on it quite a bit. I still think though that some are really being stubborn here since I honestly don’t think many saw the Lee pick as a real possibility at #55 when guys like Ducasse, Brown, Burnett, and Campbell were available (guys we had been conditioned to believe that Dallas would love to fall to them).
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
I'm trying to remember the original pick #'s we had before draft day...
Anyone got them handy?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
27, 59, 90, 125, 196, 234
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on May 5, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions
after the trade up to get Dez at 24
59, 119, 125, 196, 234
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on May 5, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks APS
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Thanks for owning up to that ddthinks...
The rest of your comment revolves around your definition of “strong possibility”. I’ve seen OCC say he was shocked. I’ve seen the draft day thread that echoes his sentiment from many others.
Again, don’t misconstrue. I’m not a Lee-hater. I do, however question the strategy. If that makes me a bad guy, then I don’t wanna be good…
;-)
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I'm not going to go back and research my own comments or others, but ...
There were many discussions of ILB needs before the draft.
In fact, it’s an obvious one. With Brooking on his last legs and Carp as the primary back-up, who WOULDN’T consider ILB a MAJOR need?
This whole line of thought is rather silly.
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
We're rehashing the draft
Silly went out the window a long time ago…
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
but even you and your propensity for hyperbole should avoid such obvious errors
… unless, of course …
WAIT, are you … TEX?
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
What would you consider our needs, in priority order?
I’m sure ILB is #2 now, right after WR, right?
:-)
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I never liked the idea of WR as a need ... nor do I feel DL is a need...
my order was before and continues to be:
O-Line
Safety
ILB
Not that I’m disappointed with the Dez pick. He’s a stud and we’ve had more luck with our O-Line through free agency… though I’m still disappointed we didn’t address the O-Line better in the draft, that doesn’t take away from my being satisfied with our first three picks.
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Well, lookie here...
A shred of sanity from the zen master Luke.
Finally his true feelings emerge.
I think this is where someone is supposed to say, “Luke, your destiny is with the Dark Side of the Force at the Emperor’s (that’s me, dood) side.”
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Blings, if you read my posts before the draft...
(nobody does, but theoretically … :)
You’d see I was a big advocate of going after AT LEAST a couple of O-Linemen in the draft. Was I disappointed? Sure, on that point and that point alone.
But, you ask is ILB a priority? Absolutely, as discussed throughout the weeks leading up to the draft… despite your assertions to the contrary.
Also, you glossed over my previous comments on a subject you seem enamored with: Window of opportunity.
Question: If indeed we have a short window (we don’t, but that’s another story) … then why not go after free agents to fill our O-Line needs? It’s worked well for us so far… Kosier, Bigg and Colombo. An O-Lineman drafted this year really isn’t too valuable for the next couple of years anyway!
(apologies for ruining your central points)
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Answer
The window is short BECAUSE we’ve been saying “next year” to OL in the draft for too long.
Free is a newbie, but every other player on that OL is 32 years old.
We’ve compressed our own window of opportunity.
And Luke, don’t kid yourself, we hinge on every word in each and every one of your posts.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
the issue for this year is line depth, we weren't going to draft a starter at #27
so the “window” theory implies with THIS group of OLine starters?
if that is the case, then why wouldn’t you want us drafting guys that can actually get playing time THIS YEAR? ya know, like …
wait for it…
wait for it … (hat tip to the venerable Seany-rudeboy)
LEE!
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
So you're saying last year's top pioc, Jason Williams is worthless?
Or are you saying that at a more critical position on the OL, you are more comfortable with Pat McQuistan?
You can’t have this both ways, DL.
BTW, I am fine with either…
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
you weren't kidding when you said you don't understand me :)
and non-sequiturs about Jason Williams and McQuistan make no sense, though they may help mask your failure to address my comment.
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
No one could address the comment
It’s indecipherable.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I'll break it down for you, oh little ball of confusion :)
first line: we’re drafting for depth on the O-Line, not starters
second: the paradox in your thinking exposed …
we have a window :: we need O-Line depth for the future
(ask yourself: which one are you trying to argue?
third: If you’re all about Blings, I’d assume the “window” is the priority …
and finally …
seanyrudeboy…
seanyrudeboy…
Lee is the “go for Blings now” pick!
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
A guy coming off of a torn ACL playing behind two entrenched guys is a now pick
What herb do you smoke in that temple?
Again, I submit the Vikes game as exhibit A.
What now, Zen Master?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
if he replaces Carpenter
yes it is. carpenter played quite a few snaps and compromised our defense a lot. getting a viable replacement for him is a great need.
as mentioned in other posts its likely carpenter is on his way out (and none too early).
so yes, Lee is a now pick because he will get plenty of snaps this year. a back up OL doesn’t
by CowboysFanatic on May 5, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
So where does that leave last year's top pick Williams in your scenario?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Someone brought this up in another thread
Maybe both Williams and Lee will come in on nickel defense, and Lee would replace James as the signal caller on the field. This actually makes sense because both guys are being groomed to take over for Brooking and James (when he eventually leaves), and both guys are faster and theoretically better in coverage.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on May 5, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions
That should give Romo more time to scan the field
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I know, but the Cowboys really like Lee
If they are right about him, I can’t fault them for pulling the trigger and jumping up to grab him. It gives Wade a full set of LB’s for the next 7-8 yrs.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on May 5, 2010 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe, but let's be clear
They have to like Lee better than the duos they could have gotten;
Ducasse AND A.J. Edds
Burnett AND Jason Fox
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
good point
it was either Dez or a reach for another OL man like Brown or Davis.
whomever we picked wouldn’t ahve had any impact this year anyway.
by CowboysFanatic on May 5, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions
shhh.... this blows up 5Blings argument
God forbid Jerry made a draft decision to go after BLINGS … NOW!
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
And yet everyone says the draft is for the future
You like to live on both sides of the fence. That way, neither is greener.
I see now.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
What if on each side of the fence...
lies a playboy mansion… gotcha!
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 5, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Then I'm in the pool
…doesn’t matter which one, does it?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Ahhhh
Unless one has twins.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 5, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Then I am in THAT pool
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
hopefully it's bigger than your gene pool
couldn’t resist :)
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
With the twins and me...
I hope it’s reallllllllly small.
Gotcha.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I bet those twins will complain about how small it is!
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
As long as I get mine...
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
That just sounds wrong...
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
And yee who speaks of him on his stomach
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
it is
every draft is for the future. but there are times that you get a now and the future. that would be an impact player. although Dez is yet to prove it since he hasn’t signed much yet take any real snaps, he is a now and future type of pick.
by CowboysFanatic on May 5, 2010 2:36 PM CDT up reply actions
No arguments there
Love the Dez pick.
It also give Dallas insurance on Miles Austin.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
you do realize WR was even less of a need than OL and ILB?
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
WR was not less of a need than ILB.
Austin goes down and we have no more playmakers at the position. Brooking goes down and we have Jason Williams or a former first round pick in Barbie to play there. I have zero doubt that Wade could adjust to a loss of Brooking better than Garrett could to a loss of Austin.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
You know, you may be right on this one ...
I always think people over-hype the WR need, but I appreciate your point.
But then again, there are few teams with a 3, 4, 5 the equivalent of Crayton, Ogletree and Hurd. Time will tell, but Ogletree looks like the real deal.
Having said that, I LUV the Dez pick. And the Lee pick. And the AOA pick.
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
I can't believe you said that
Carpenter!!! if he has to start, I am writing the season off.
jason williams is not proven anything other than being able to run 4.5 in the 40.
Austin goes down, we have Roy WIlliams a former top 10 pick (since you touted carpenter as former #1 pick) and have crayton who played #2 before and Hurd and ogltree who are waiting in the wings.
just using your logic to make a case.
by CowboysFanatic on May 5, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
You actually hardly addressed my main points. If Austin goes down, none of those people you mentioned come close to filling his spot as a true playmaker at WR. Raf has even written as much.
As far as ILB, Jason Williams has been heavily praised by all the coaches and I definitely trust Wade, one of the best defensive coaches there is, to gloss over Brooking’s loss better than I do Garrett’s to replace our only playmaker. If you don’t that is your prerogative, but I would ask you to consider how the offense has handled injuries the last few years compared to how our defense has handled injuries.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
You're pissed about him using carp in his argument but you bring Roy Williams up?
Dude…
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I hate it when you steal my thunder
You know, any chance I have of keeping this thread going is being compromised by your higher level of thinking. So lay off!
Don’t you have particle accelerator to build or something?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
but we have tried
we have taken 7 OL men in the draft since 2007. not that many, but its not like we haven’t tried. the probelm has been we have only hit on one in the span (Free). we have signed FA in Kosier, Columbo and Bigg.
part of the reason is that most OL men unless picked high in the draft don’t come in and have impact. yes there are some that fall into the 20s in the first round and have impact, but generally if you look the percentage of OL men drafted in the top 10 who start and have impact compared to the rest of the draft is much much much higher (Raf will attest to that).
plus you also have to see how the players are ranked and where you draft and how the draft unfolds. we reached for players like Marten and Rodgers and it failed. it was done because we identified OL as a position of need. we have changed a bit of our philosophy in going after the BPA. it seems to work better.
also if you read Raf’s article on relevance of drafting well to winning and FA signing you would notice that teams that draft well generally are more succeful, but the successful teams of the past decade have also supllemented their team with FA and pretty much the same for all of the teams. so why not address the OL in FA?
is it better to reach and fail to address what you call a need? or take a player that you rate higher and has a chance to succeed, albeit for a postion that YOU may not rate as needy.
no one is disputing the fact that we need to address the OL, but we also needed to address the saftey, ILB, CB, WR positions, as well as DL depth. we only have 6 draft picks. you can’t get an impact player with each pick. you go by how the draft unfolds.
why argue against taking Lee? why not argue against taking Dez Bryant in a position that we are decent in and have some depth? why not parlay the #27 pick into additional picks in the 2nd and take two OL man? was taking Dez a mistake? we just strenghtened further a position that was stro0ng already?
you just can’t deal with your disappointment of not getting couple fo your pet cats and that the draft didn’t go the way YOU thought it should and you are having a tough time dealing with it.
by CowboysFanatic on May 5, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
You could absolutely argue in favor of using FA to help your OL
I think it takes both FA and the draft and the Jets are a great piece of evidence. Faneca was a great stepping stone acquired through Free Agency while he sat between a pair of greenhorns in Mangold and Ferguson, who were acquired through the draft. In this draft, they pulled the trigger on Ducasse, whom we passed on, seemingly to take over Faneca’s role at some point soon.
You’re right about Dallas whiffing on OL draft choices, but what does that mean? We suck at scouting OL? I just don’t know what to make of that notion. It seems nonsenical to me, but then again…
The real issue, and this is one I don’t think people philosphically disagree on is that Dallas has not done a good enough job in building a young base of depth behind their aging O-line.
The real question, and you raise it well, is how to proceed?
Do you see stud O-linemen being available after June? Maybe “Bud” O-linemen? :-)
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
finally a point we agree on
and I think I just shIIt my pants :)
I don’t think there is that stud available. but if we are set at starters positions we need to add experienced depth. most of the discussion here revolves around injury issues. if an OL man goes down are we up the creek. at tackle spots. probably. at guard and center not as much.
I don’t feel as bad if brooking or james go down now :0
I think Gaither may still be in play.
Jamal Brown may also be in play.
but both of those guys project to LT, and so does Free.
next year (I know you hate this term), we might finally take an OL man in the first (20% chance), although I think getting a CB is becoming a real need.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see us resign Kosier to a 2 year deal. minimally he will provide depth at every inside position.
I also have no answer why we have whiffed on the OL men. I thought rogers woudl work out, but he had too many injuries.
by CowboysFanatic on May 5, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
At what point will you chastise the front office for NOT addressing the OL?
Because I think you’re a couple of years late already…
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
no
If Tex had another screen name, it would be a guy on the opposite end of the spectrum. Like Terry.
Cool conspiracy theories...
freaky…but cool.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I agree with your breakdown…especially concerning Sean Lee. With more pressing needs; mainly safety and tackle, I don’t care how many years he may or may not start in the future. We are on the cusp and windows don’t stay open long in the NFL. Sean Lee doesn’t help us now and in a draft that was supposed to be so deep, I am disappointed that the Cowboys didn’t do a better job with some open holes. Love Dez, though. Hope I’m wrong and we win it all. Go Boys!!!
everyone keeps saying
saftey is a pressing need? why? we have ball. we drafted hamlin last year. we have sensi.
during the draft we also took AOA who projects to saftey position. so if Lee is higher rated than any of the other Safties, why reach for a saftey and not take a higher rated player for a position of need? ILB was a position we needed to address as much as the saftey.
I never thought we might have a chance at lee since a lot of the mocks had him going late first or very early second. for us to get him in the middle of the 2nd was a great pick.
any of the positions tackle, LB, saftey and CB were for depth and development. other than Bulaga, okung and williams there wasn’t one of the tackles that would un seat Columbo or free. now granted I wish we would have picked one earlier, but that’s how the chips fall, I am not sure I would trade aoa for one of the developmental tackles, specially if one like gaither could be had if need be.
by CowboysFanatic on May 4, 2010 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
How do you know that about Free?
And even if you’re right, where is it more important to have talented depth? ILB or Offensive Tackle?
I know what Jimmy Johnson would say.
I know what Romo would say after the Vikings game.
I know what everyone on here WILL be saying if Free falters.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
You're obviously a MENSA member, Derek
I applaud your candor in the face of so much adversity.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I have needs
Gym, food, Sportscenter…
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I've heard of blog participation standards, but this is ridiculous!
:-)
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
5....
You have posted ALOT today. What are you trying to beat Terry’s record next year?
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 4, 2010 11:55 PM CDT up reply actions
No, I'm going to bed...
You guys are overwhelming.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Okay, time to stand up and be counted for future reference
Everyone has to break out their crystal ball (I have two…big ones) and foretell the future about the draftees.
Take each pick and rate them as stud (the guy will start, contribute mightily and be one of the best at his position), a bud (just a guy, like Spears, who sticks with the team, but doesn’t get accolades or recognition, doesn’t have to be a starter) or a dud (eventual cut, loser, bum, waste of a pick, should have been an OT, etc.)
Ready, set, prognosticate!
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Ok
Dez-stud
Lee-Bud
AOA-stud
Wall-dud
Young-dud
Lassimore-bud
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 5, 2010 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
I see it the same
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on May 5, 2010 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Why didn't you rate them, Q?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Did you know...
that more people have screwed up Sean Lissemore’s name than Akwasi Owusu-Ansah’s?
Amazing, eh?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
You know what is funny...
I read your article to remember how it was spelled and still mispelled it.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 5, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
That is funny
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on May 5, 2010 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm amazed that Jerry says AOA's name as well as he does...
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
sure
Dez-stud.
Lee-this will be arguable, as a stud at ilb won’t have the same stats as other positions, but I say stud.
AOA-bud. If hes a stud….hello superbowl.
Wall-bud. I think he will be a decent 4th cb for us. And i have NOTHING to base that on.
Young-bud, but a McQuistan type lol so by your definition that may be dud.
Lassimore-bud. He’ll end up being a good rotation guy.
Also, I like this UFA crop and think at least one of them will see significant PT in a couple years.
So you're picking 6 out of 6 draft choices will make the team and be solid contributors or better?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
yea
Again, our opinion of “contributor” probably differs. If Young sticks on the roster for a couple years, plays alright for whatever stretch of games he is needed, and gives way to a younger player in a year or too, I’d consider that to be a contributor.
Wall or the UFA CB almost certainly will be contributors – look at our cb depth. Ball will start at safety and I’d bet they want AOA to learn safety instead of playing at cb early, though thats possible too.
And it looks very likely to me that at LEAST 4 make the team, likely 5, and 6 if Young beats out the UFA RTs.
The bottom half of our roster isn’t that talented, especially oline and cb. Its harder to make this team at safety than cornerback despite the difference in starter quality.
Still, 6 sticking with the final roster is lofty expectations...
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
With Barron now
I think its unlikely Young makes the roster – there was the chance before that two rookies make the final roster, now its down to 1. Its still possible.
Also, even last year, a bunch of those guys made the roster or were in contention to make the roster before getting hurt.
Oh, you mean that "Special" teams draft?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
look at the draft
outside the cincy cbs and Manny Johnson, everyone would’ve made the roster (if Hodge and Williams hadn’t gotten hurt). Its likely that this year, 7 of the 12 make it:
Williams
Brewster
Buehler
McGee
Butler
Williams
Hamlin
Phillips
Only time will tell with these guys, but it seems likely everyone i listed makes the roster. Butler and Wlliams obviously have a ceiling as backups, but they are necessary in case of injury. Butler made some big plays for us last yer.
Looking at that list, Williams, Buehler, Hamlin and Phillips could all receive significant PT. Theres the potential for 4 “starters” there given how much garrett runs two TE sets.
And our special teams did improve dramatically lol.
thats confusing
cause theres brandon and jason williams.
Agreed, but as a %, 7 of 12 is 58%
You’re banking on going 6 for 6.
It’s not a smart bet.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
It hard not to be a homer
Dez – Stud (that’s easy)
Lee – Bud (tempered prediction)
AOA – Stud (out on the limb here)
Young – Dud (first thought after the pick…James Marten II)
Wall – Bud
Lissemore – Bud (close to Stud, but he’s not going to be better than Rat)
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on May 5, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
It hard not to be a homer
Dez – Stud (that’s easy)
Lee – Stud (I’m believing our scouts until proven otherwise)
AOA – Stud (NOT out on the limb here)
Young – Dud (first thought after the pick… you can’t teach slow :)
Wall – Dud (I like the guy, but his metrics don’t offer hope)
Lissemore – Bud (would be all we need)
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
I think the same way.
Young and Wall won’t be on the 53. The other 4 likely will, with Lissemore on the fence. Dez will be a contributor (and may supplant Roy as a starter), as will Lee, though not starting. AOA has some learning to do. Lissemore is our project behind Rat. If he’s anywhere near Siavii’s level, he sticks.
LOL @ Marten II
Nice.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Jason Williams
Is being groomed as a middle outside linebacker while Lee is a middle inside linebacker. Thus, Lee is presumably not Williams’ replacement and his drafting does not show a lack of confidence in Williams by the coaches.
by JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoo on May 5, 2010 12:40 AM CDT reply actions
I dunno
This constant stream of LB high draft choices means more than people think. Maybe Williams’ injury was more than first assumed?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
5blings, careful, your credibility goes south when you start confusing positions...
as a refresher, Lissemore is competing for DT, not DE … and Lee and Williams are not competing for the same ILB position
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
But Lee is an inside backer, right?
And he was drafted with LAST YEAR’S top pick, right?
Where did you see someone at VR saying Lissemore would play only at NT?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
that's what I had read too
that Lessimore is a DT/DE type and will probably work to back up Rat since his game is similar.
now you are starting to go off the deep end.
by CowboysFanatic on May 5, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Can you post the link?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Chalk up another one for 5B
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
in a 3-4
you’re going to need linebackers. Carp was such a failure, and Jason Williams has been the only other time ILB was addressed in the last 5 years or more.
Aside from Burnett in 05, you are correct.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
my take on the draft
in a deep draft I hated giving away picks while others were stockpiling for more selections but with the Dez Bryant pick it was worth it. My prediction of Chris Cook at 27 the play making FS never happened and I figured that if any of the following Earl Thomas, Dez Bryant, or Mike Iupati would have fell that would then change the Boy`s pick.Turns out I was probably wrong as the leaked Cowboy`s board fails to mention Cook so apparently reports of Cook dogging his pro day convinced the Boy`s to remove him from the list.
Rd 2 Sean Lee, there were some reports that Lee could be a rd 1 target for some teams and if Bryant would have been drafted earlier well fact is we had him viewed as a rd 1 talent so I`m way happier getting him at 55 then at 27, But truth be told I was really hoping for Morgan Burnett at the time or even some O line help with Ducasse or Charles Brown and with 4 spots remaining till our pick and with 4 quality guys, I saw no need to trade up but the Boy`s did and hopefully they are correct on Lee.Pretty soon we could have Ware Spencer Jason Williams and Sean Lee as our 4 lb`s and that seems like a pretty good bunch.
Rd 4 Akwasi Owusu-Ansah , Really felt like we needed a FS and that Cook, Allen or Burnett would be the choice but always felt that AOA would be an excellent backup plan, very lucky to get him at this point.
At this point of the draft we have 3 picks that could all be home runs so the rest from this point on is all gravy.
Rd 6 Sam Young maybe could develop but he seems like he`s an over achiever as is and upside limited…a poor man`s Pat MacQuistan…ooooh that`s low but what the heck do I know but I`ll say this Tepper and Barker might turn out to be just as good as Young…or bad but hopefully this trio can oust MacQ, Proctor, Preston, and Holland from the roster and hopefully from our memories as well.
Jamar Wall
ooops continued
Rd 6 Jamar Wall hmmmmm you know we could have had Ramone Harwood and Myron Rolle instead of Young and Wall? trust the powers that be. Wall is gonna be asked to be a number 4 corner for now let`s see if he makes it.
Rd 7 Sean Lissemore feel this is a great pick and this guy will make the club, will be a depth guy out of the gate but well worth the 7th rd gamble.
GRADE A+
Reason? look at past drafts where we whiffed and consider we hit home runs with our first 3 picks and Lissemore should be at least adequate so take away the brain cramp in rd 6 does n`t deter from all the positives of perhaps the greatest draft in Cowboy`s history.
Sorry Ziggy
You had me until you started being an apologist.
You were right from the start and Burnett and Ducasse were better options.
Stick to your guns, man.
The A+ you gave them didn’t sync up with your post, either.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
my initial knee jerk reaction
is probably C+ because Aaaaaugh were losing pick 90 for moving up a few spaces and again in rd 2 we move up and again lose draft traction. After 2 rds no O-line help or FS help, now I can understand the reason we drafted Dez but have a hard time neglecting both those positions. But dolling out grades immediately after the draft is futile and we all know we will only be able to judge the draft in about 3 yrs time. In 3 yrs we will be saying WOW.
But that is boring
We can all wait three years and judge then, but why?
It’s like saying, don’t do mock drafts because you know you’ll be wrong.
The fun is in making bold predictions and having OCC dredge them up to hold us accountable when we’re here in 36 months.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Hey 5B - There's a quality OT prospect still out there waiting for a home
Since you’re all up in arms about the Cowboys needing more young OL’s…I’m surprised you’re not lobbying more for us to pick up Tony Washington.
- Never been suspended or accused of tardiness (unlike Dez)
- No injury history (unlike Lee)
- Top small school performer at the combine (just like AOA that everyone loves)
…OK, OK, I know no one’s perfect and he isn’t either…but he’s got good feet (unlike cement-shoes Sam)
by Left Coast Cowboy on May 5, 2010 11:37 PM CDT reply actions
why/how is he still out there?
I guess we’re unlikely to pick him up now given we have two UFA RTs, but its kinda crazy hes still available
If you really don't know why he's still available...
…just google him. There’s a reason he’s still at home, and while I would personally prefer having him in camp to any of the 3 RT prospects we picked up…clearly the powers that be in the NFL feel differently.
by Left Coast Cowboy on May 6, 2010 2:33 AM CDT up reply actions
THAT isn't the only reason...
In a League in which teams will take any kind of guy with problems, including drugs, alcohol, crimes allegations and the like, teams are just too scared to pick a guy that had some consensual fun with his sister (ugh)?
No, there are other problems with the guy, the guy has evident talent and a team would have already made a move on him, but they just don’t want anything to do with the guy…
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Guys who have done much worse than he did
are still in this league,many of them starting. I don’t buy that.
But they aren't associated with the "I" word...
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Dude!!!!
That is a Rich Dalrymple nightmare.
With all the “Yo Momma – Ho Momma” crap circling around Dez, does Dallas really want to invite that kind of additional media attention?
Computer says no.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
5Blings ... good luck on your quest for the holy grail 1000 :)
Here is what I see this boiling down to …
You assert that the Lee pick was poor. The Cowboys feel they got another 1st round grade.
So, it comes down to Lee’s performance. I will bet on that horse to prove you wrong.
Question is: if Lee kicks ass, will you eat humble pie? Question 2 is: What is your prediction on Lee’s career?
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
I will bet on this horse...
When time for apologizing comes he’s going to write a piece as good as the one that he wrote in his Romo piece… A piece in which he wrote a lot but you could pretty much see that he still believed to be right…
That, right there, is a complex person.
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
If Lee kicks ass and none of the players we should have taken go on to have great careers...
I’ll let you ghost write a post of contrition for me.
Now, what will you do in the event the opposite occurs?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Is There an Emoticon
For the sound of chirping crickets?
[my wise guy contribution to push us a little close to the 1k mark]
Nobody ever bellies up tot he bar
I drink alone.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Totally unrelated...
but now I believe I have the perfect avatar.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 10:37 AM CDT reply actions
ha ha
and I would argue that that distinction is mine…
by One.Cool.Customer on May 6, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Haha the perfect avatar for me.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Sorry, but Duane Thomas trumps your sorry butts :)
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Thought you'd have a Sam Young Avatar...
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Maybe you need a shiney new Barron avatar
(what a fitting conclusion to this thread :)
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
I'd rather have kept Flo...
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Damn that made me laugh
Great Troll post. Very surprised no one has jumped on it…guess the pre-trade frenzy really is stealing all the thunder from this thread.
by Left Coast Cowboy on May 6, 2010 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions
5Blings has one of the best avatars on BTB
Don’t you go changing it
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
Yeah But He Roots for the Lakers
Rooting for the Lakers or Yankees is like rooting for Germany to send more panzer divisions into Poland in 1939.
Do you know how many people say that to me about the Cowboys?
I was born in Dallas, but they had no basketball team.
While attending UCLA, I became a Laker fan.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Okay, Okay
We’ll give you a pass. Unless you want to get into a heated argument over a trivial subject, like trading an underachieving backup inside linebacker for an underachieving backup tackle.
It would have the side benefit of driving the comment count that much closer to 1,000…
Trading underachievers?
Nope, not worthy of a post as laudable as this one.
Now, trade Telly B or Choice? Then I’m writing some SHIZZLE!!!
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
True
For the record, I want to hang on to Tellus, butwould be willing to part with Tashard if the price were right. Actually, there’s no such thing as an untradable player, so if someone came in with a first rounder for Marty B I’d trade him, but I doubt anyone would be willing to offer that.
And lest I be misunderstood, I absolutely love Tashard and think he’s been poorly utiltized in the offense, but I also recognize he is one of the few guys who we would be willing to part with who also has trade value.
You wouldn't part with Telly for a #2?
Even though Phillips has Romo’s confidence and Telly does not?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
No, I Wouldn't
Most people hate him because he’s flaky, but I see an extremely young player who is a hard worker, an excellent run blocker (our best blocking tight end, period) and whose receiving part of the game will only get better. I think a lot of people are caught up in his nonconformist rap video making behavior, and that’s blinded them to what he does as a football player. He can put on his Sun Ra act and drop rhymes all he wants, with Lil Wayne or anyone else for that matter, as long as he keeps working hard and blocking like a demon.
by kindablue on May 7, 2010 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
You know what KB...
I wanted to argue with you about your assessment of our TE’s and run blocking…but I cannot.
Once Telly get’s his hands on a defender, he is an absolutely dominant blocker and that’s hard for me to take since Witten is my favorite player and is the best all around TE in the game IMO.
But you’re right.
Now, my one caveat is that you said “as long as he keeps working hard”. I want to know that he’s the first one in the film room and the last to leave. I also don’t think he’ll gain Tony’s confidence if he doesn’t show more emotional maturity and know his route tree like the back of his hand.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Interestingly
John Garrett gave an interview at the end of the season about the tight ends, and he actually was pretty supportive of Bennett. He thought Martellus had lost his confidence on the receiving game, and said he’d already figured out the hard stuff—blocking is about willpower, as Raf mentioned—but was struggling with the “easy” stuff of receiving. So I’m bullish on the guy, flakiness aside.
I think it was Romo who's confidence he lost
Once that happens…
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
That's a Big Issue to Work Through
Completely agree with you. My thinking is, given his upside and work ethic, I cut the kid a little slack for his immaturity. If he has another year like last year, we need to start looking to see if he can be replaced. But there was talk on this board of cutting him right now, and I think that would be a huge mistake. He’s young and could well go on to be a star, and I won’t part with a guy like that, warts and all, for anything less than a first rounder.
Cutting him?
We had Cincy offering us a #1 just 6 months ago for him!
That would be stupid.
It seems the time for trading him has passed. Let’s see if he can regain his form.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
It was a number 2
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 8, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Jerry said...
“We could have probably made a ‘now’ impact and just bolstered a position, and significantly, and obviously we would have had a takeaway since it’s a young player for the future,” Jones said. “By the same token, and I’m talking about the type of consideration, first- or second-round type consideration”
I thought we were offered a one plus a player for Telly and a 3 or 4?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
That might be the case...
but I didn’t think so. I thought it was just a rumor that it was a first day player, so the assumptison was a high two.
But hey, I might be wrong.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 8, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
So could I
…the problem with such things is that you never know what the real offer was.
Either way, with the emergence of Phillips, I’d have taken it.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
So I watched the way Bellicheat handled the cowboys trade
I thought they covered their bases, but it’s surprising that other teams were so open with each other about who they were pursuing.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
You get a 'REC' for dropping a Sun Ra reference in your post
I would’ve bet that I was the only fan on this board
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
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Sun Ra is one wigged out dude
so is Marty, but Sun Ra makes Marty look like Captain Normal
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
My Beer Blog: http://tiltingsuds.wordpress.com/
Which is really saying something if you've spent any time on Telly's site
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I have and it is not even a close call, trust me
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
My Beer Blog: http://tiltingsuds.wordpress.com/
Martellus Is a Little Nonconformist
Sun Ra, on the other hand, existed in an entirely different plane. Way out there, with little competition.
Hey, We've Reached the Point of No More Indenting
And it’s not a raging argument that only the two people arguing care about. Is that a record for BTB?
Yeah, who'd've thunk that Sun Ra would accomplish that?
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
My Beer Blog: http://tiltingsuds.wordpress.com/
For someone associated with Nation of Islam...
at a time when we are at war with Islamic fundamentalism, it is indeed surprising.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
associated with the Nation of Islam? Not that I know of, but I am all ears
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
My Beer Blog: http://tiltingsuds.wordpress.com/
Even If Sun Ra Was
Associated with NOI—like you, that’s the first I’d heard of that—I don’t see what that has to do with our military operations in SW Asia. We’re not at war with fundamentalist Islam per se, because if that were true, we would have overthrown the government of Saudi Arabia long ago. And I don’t know if NOI has a position on our military occupation Iraq or Afghanistan. A strange comment from 5Blings.
I am staying out of the politics
but I did some research and it looks like Sun Ra and Elijah Muhammad were related. That is the only connection I could find. Sun Ra was not a member, that’s for sure
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
My Beer Blog: http://tiltingsuds.wordpress.com/
Wikipedia much?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
yeah, where did you read that Sun Ra was associated with NOI?
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
My Beer Blog: http://tiltingsuds.wordpress.com/
Only through his supposed bloodline with Elijah Muhammad
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
he claimed a visionary experience as a college student, a strange event that was to have a major long-term influence on the young pianist. In 1936 or 1937, in the midst of deep religious concentration, Sun Ra claimed that a bright light appeared around him, and, as he later stated,
“… my whole body changed into something else. I could see through myself. And I went up … I wasn’t in human form … I landed on a planet that I identified as Saturn … they teleported me and I was down on [a] stage with them. They wanted to talk with me. They had one little antenna on each ear. A little antenna over each eye. They talked to me. They told me to stop [attending college] because there was going to be great trouble in schools … the world was going into complete chaos … I would speak [through music], and the world would listen. That’s what they told me”
I had one of those experiences in college too!!
My dad wouldn’t let me drop out because he said it was due to those freaky mushrooms I ate…
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Blings, whose rear is that in your avatar?
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That, my dear Mr. Seanrude is none other than Bar Refaeli
http://www.celebrity-pictures.ca/Celebrities/Bar-Refaeli/Bar-Refaeli-1287367.jpg
http://www.celebrity-pictures.ca/Celebrities/Bar-Refaeli/Bar-Refaeli-i121153.jpg
http://www.celebrity-pictures.ca/Celebrities/Bar-Refaeli/Bar-Refaeli-i121152.jpg
I’ve never seen a woman who comes close to her in terms of the TOTAL package.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
One of the Things I Would Like to Do
If time allowed, is to put trade value on every single Cowboys player on the roster. So, if someone came up to me and said, hey, I want DeMarcus Ware or Tony Romo, and was willing to listen to your price, what would it be? I got into a discussion with some guys a few weeks ago who angrily denounced the whole idea, saying some players were untradable. That, to me, is a very small-minded view of running a franchise. What if (let’s be wild here), someone offered us five first rounders for Demarcus Ware, plus three second rounders. Okay, I know no one would do that in reality, but the point is that where is the line in your mind where you would pull the trigger to make the trade? In thinking through those options, we have a clear picture in our minds of the value of each player, and because we own that information, we are no in position to take advantage of offers as they come in, if we find them attractive. Others were throwing a temper tantrum at the thought of even thinking of trading Ware or Romo, but a smart GM isn’t that sentimental or blind. He has thought through the options ahead of time and benefit when something good is presented to him.
Maybe you can follow what I’m saying here?
Anyone CAN be traded
The greatest dynasty in NFL history (the Cowboys of the 90’s) was built on the unthinkable…trading the team’s best and most promising player away for draft choices and no-name’s.
Now, that has to be tempered with reality. Could Peyton be traded? Could Brady?
Also, the idea of how the cap was affected by superstar players being traded in their primes (and early in their big contracts) probably made this even less realistic.
It’s an exercise that would draw lots of commentary.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Okay We Disagree About Something
The greatest dynasty in NFL history was the Packers in the 1960’s, followed by San Francisco from 1981 to 1998.
What’s your rationale for believing Dallas was the best ever?
For the Packers, most of their titles were league championships
In the Super Bowl era, No one came close to Dallas in terms of dominance over a 4-year span.
The 80’s 49er’s won two in a row but were then dispatched twice in a row by the Giants (the first time in a wild card game, the second in a 49-3 drubbing) who, most importantly, were the better team.
Dallas, on the other hand not only won 3 blings in 4 years, but the year they did not win it, oh this still hurts, they lost in the NFC title game to an admittedly inferior team. the point being that Dallas did not sink in year 3 of that dynasty to a point where it could be considered an also-ran (as the Niners were for two years).
So, I didn’t consider the Packers only because I also didn’t go back to the very early days of football either. The Niners did not have the consecutive season domination that Dallas did.
No one, in the Super Bowl era has held a vice grip over the NFL the way the Cowboys of the early 90’s did.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I agree...
not because I’m a Dallas fan, but they were so good and was one of two teams to win 3 SB’s in 4 years.
I would say this, the most impressive dyantasty is the Patriots, because they were fighting the FA era. They weren’t a better team, but the way they had to build it, was impressive.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 8, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions
By Cheating and Winning Three Super Bowl
By a combined nine points? I think they’re overrated. The free agency thing is another hurdle to manage and I will agree they did better than anyone else this era.
However, the sweeping changes implemented in the mid- to late-Seventies were probably a bigger hurdle to adjust to. I distinctly remember the mantra uttered many times in 1981 was that dynasties were gone forever…even as the greatest post-merger dynasty was being forged. Unfortunately there is a tendency to exaggerate the affects of things.
What are arguing?
I didn’t say they were the best.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 8, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions
You Didn't?
You said they were the “most impressive dyantasty” (ahem). So the most impressive dynasty is not the best? How is that possible?
Please old boy, let’s not torment the English language any more. Let it go free and lead a normal, healthy life.
Excuse me...
I guess what I should have explained is I felt like the way they built their team was the most impressive.
Was that “let’s not torment the English language anymore” comment needed?
Did I offend you for you to make a comment that’s inuslting?
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 8, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's the thing about the Patriots
They fell from grace in year 3, completely missing the playoffs.
That, in and of itself, calls into question whether they were a dynasty at all, given the definition;
a powerful group or family that maintains its position for a considerable time
They lost their position in year 3, IMO.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
The Definition of a Dynasty
I think this is where we are talking past each other. The term dynasty means a powerful group or family maintaining its lofty position for a considerable time, but that definition flowed from the classic use of the term, which meant the monarchical reign of a single family over many uninterrupted generations.
The key for a dynasty is the durability of the powerful entity over time. I don’t consider a four year stretch to be a considerable time, although given the half-lives of players and coaches, some slack needs to be given. I would (loosely) define a dynasty as a team that won three championships over a decade-long stretch, and was in contention for a championship almost every single year. So based on my definition, the Packers, who were in contention every year from 1959 to 1967 and who won five championships over that stretch, qualify as the best, because they had sustained dominance. Dallas in the 1990’s qualifies, of course, but it’s only three championships.
The Packers from 1929 to 1947 also fall into that category, six championships in that almost two-decade stretch. That might be the greatest NFL dynasty, after I went out and looked up their records over that period.
That’s my definition, and I tried to tie my thinking back the original use of the word dynasty.
No one is right or wrong in this discussion, by the way, because there is no clinical definition of the word. Tossing the idea out to Blings or anyone else who wants to chime in, what is your working definition of the term dynasty?
I see your point, and here is my rebuttal
The idea of a “considerable time” needs to be placed into the appropriate context.
In the NFL, 4 years of dominance is an eternity, especially in this particular situation where powerful measures have been taken to preclude dynasties from forming (thank you Pete Rozelle).
The Ming dynasty ruled for an extended period of time (the Dulo dynasty in Bulgaria ruled for almost 3,000 years!!!) in China, but they didn’t lose their best generals to Free Agency.
:-)
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
But the Question I'm Asking Is
What is your definition of a dynasty?
Understand your point and acknowledged it in my post above.
Roughly speaking...
staying on top without suffering a major letdown over a period that would be considered notable by comparative standards.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Who is "they"?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Back to my foundation...
The Niners were indeed a dynasty, but not as great as Dallas’ for the simple reason that they suffered a serious letdown after their first 2 blings.
The Pats were not a dynasty because they completely fell off of the map after their 2nd one.
The Cowboys of the 90’s were considered the elite of the league, despite Barry Switzer, for 4 straight years and their performance reaffirmed that notion.
They are the team that maintained their position for the longest time without suffering a serious misstep. As such, they are the #1 Dynasty of the Super Bowl era in my eyes.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
What I'm Trying to Understand
Is the minimum duration of dynasty as you define it. You obviously believe four years is enough. If a team won three straight championships, would you call them a dynasty, immaterial to what they accomplished before or after.
Yes
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
No
As an example, Dick Vermeil brought the Rams (greatest show on Turf) to prominence in one year where they subsequently won two consecutive NFC Championships, but only won one Super Bowl and then declined.
So they would not qualify.
For teams that won back to back Super Bowls and had nothing else to hang their hats on, that doesn’t work for me.
Over time, the definition will undoubtedly evolve, because the difficulty in creating that kind of long term success in the NFL will either increase or decrease.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Hate to burst your bubble, but the Steelers trump the Cowboys
I hate the Steelers, but their SIX (not 4) year streak of FOUR (not 3) Super-Bowls only ended after two years of injury-prone seasons followed by player-retirements.
Their 1974 draft included 4 HOF’ers … Lynn Swann, Jack Lambert, John Stallworth, and Mike Webster… an unmatched achievement.
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Dude
You can be a homer about the draft.
I can be a homer about dynasties.
That Steeler draft had to be the best ever, right?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Obviously a One Year SB Winner
Would not qualify. That goes without saying, otherwise you have a dynasty every year.
What I was trying to get you to answer what what is the minimum duration of a dynasty, and it appears the answer for you is three.
That fine, although I think a three year dynasty runs contrary to the spirit and connotation of how the term dynasty is commonly used.
The TV announcers were using the term after Dallas won its 2nd in that string...
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
She's utterly, utterly beautiful
I saw her at a Victoria’s Secret fashion show where I and a few of my friends got all access and I can tell you with complete confidence, she stands out, even in a crowd of supermodels.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Not what I wish it meant...
Every part of her body was flawless, each of my three buddies agreed. Well, one was unable to speak, but we were able to decode his vote from his zombie-like fixation on her.
She and Alessandra Ambrosio were clearly the best of the bunch, but Leo’s GF (you know I hate the man) was beautiful in a surreal way.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
and yes, I said hate...
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
She really is amazing
Even her best photos don’t do her justice.
It’s like the air in your lungs gets sucked out of you as you get closer to her.
Did I mention I hate Dicaprio?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Hindsight
Option 1
Dez, Jared Veldheer – OT, Eric Norwood / AJ Edds (pick the one you like since both were available) – ILB, AOA – FS, Kyle Calloway – OT and Lessismore – DE/DT.
Option 2
Dez, Morgan Burnett – FS, Norwood/Edds – ILB, Jason Fox – OT, Calloway -OT and Lotsamore – DE/DT.
Option 3
Dez, Vlad Ducasse -OG, Norwood/Edds – ILB, AOA – FS, Calloway – OT, Listenmore – DE/DT.
Option 4
Dez, Sean Lee – ILB, AOA – FS, Sam Young – OT, Jamar Wall – CB, Letseemore – DE/DT
Which of these options do you think would benefit the Cowboys most over the long haul?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Well
I like options 2, 3 and 4… But I think that Dez and Lee have the most potential.
And furthermore, Jamar Wall is receiving a bunch of flak for how he’s looking in no contact drills… To those guys I can only tell them this: Anthony Henry was a really nice CB for us for close to 3 years, but he was absolutely worthless in no contact drills, the guy sucked… As soon as contact was allowed, Rafael would use to say that the CBs weren’t allowing any plays… In a team that had Terry Glenn and Terrell Owens…
The guy was a 6th Round pick though, and he has an uphill battle to make the team, but I wouldn’t cast him as a hopeless case before I’ve seen everything from him.
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
exactly
quality over quantity. who is norwood (oh oh), we know Lee is better than them.
AOA may end up a better player than Burnette. the only reason he dropped was because he played in small college but so did ware, compared to carpenter who came from OSU.
I think we got some impact players
by CowboysFanatic on May 7, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions
AOA's injury also played a factor
It’s going to take some time for him to catch up to the NFL and with him not being ready until TC it’s going to take even more.
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
It's Burnett, just like Kevin, or even Carol
So which one do you like best of the options?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
And 2009 was not quality over quantity but you loved that draft, right?
CF, are you Rich Dalrymple?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
why?
because they didn’t take the players you think they should have. Burnette and ducasse were 2nd and 3rd round type players. lee was rated top 16. I take two top 16 guys over three 2nd and 3rd and 4th round guys any day of the week. your contenttion is that you know better than the cowboys scouts. that’s were the rub is.
by CowboysFanatic on May 8, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions
I've never argued that Dallas' brass knows more than I do...hehehe
It’s like saying the U.S. government knows better than I do what to do with the ridiculous number of tax dollars I pay them annually. They don’t. They just don’t.
By the same token, Dallas’ scouting, especially around OL prospects, has been suspect at best, wouldn’t you agree?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
yes/no
but still I take a top 16 ranked player and a 3rd round type prospect over a 2nd, 3rd and 4th round prospect. with top 16 plyaer you get impact player and that’s what you want on your team.
by CowboysFanatic on May 8, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions
But in essence, CF, what you're saying is this...
Your own opinion immediately becomes subjugated to whatever you find out the board said.
How is that fun?
How is that not kowtowing to JJ and Cisky?
It’s like saying that Larry Lacewell knew more than I did just because of his job title. Guess what? he didn’t.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I don't understand your vehemence on this issue
But here’s a fun experiment to see whether you stand behind your words — pick a set of players that would be reasonably available around the Cowboys’ original picks starting from the second round on.
Give it 3 years and then let’s see whether your theoretical draft class has outperformed the Cowboys’ picks. And I’ll be curious to see how Lee stacks against your guy.
You have the Cowboys’ board. You have some benefit of hindsight. What do you think?
Movie Reference
by accidental innuendo on May 9, 2010 7:29 AM CDT up reply actions
I was already thinking about a post about that very topic
Stay tuned.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Can you choose them in order of preference?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Before the Draft and the leaked Draft Board?
I would have had a hard time picking between Number 3 and Number 4… With number 2 following closely…
After the leaked board, it’s obvious that the team REALLY likes Lee and you could pretty much make a case out of him being a good player before the draft, but we had no way of knowing the results of the medical examinations to his knee and how smart he looked in interviews…
So, case number 4 has the biggest potential.
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Forget the board
Would you really have gone 4 first?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
How can you forget about the board?
The team knew that they wanted to get rid of Carpenter, so taking an ILB was a huge priority, especially when the other thing that you have going on in the position is a project in which the team believes, but hope isn’t a plan… So ILB was real high in the priority list…
How can you forget about the board 2? When they rated Ducasse like they rated Brewster, like a 3rd Rounder, they weren’t going to take him…
Listen, I’m not in love with the actual results of the Draft, I would have loved to land at least 2 real candidates for playing time along the OLine, but things can’t be perfect and I can understand why they made the choices that they made.
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
I meant...
If you had never seen Dallas’ draft board, which option do you think you would have chosen?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
There wasn’t a real Tackle or Center available anymore… So I guess that Ducasse, Jerry, Lee, Asamoah, Burnett and Murphy would have been real high on my board.
Of them, Ducasse, followed closely by Lee and Asamoah would have been my top 3.
During the Draft I had no time to actually run a board, so I just kind of made my own from some notes that I had from before…
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
So would you have gone with the Vlad option?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
In our fan and not totally informed opinion?
Yes.
Vlad would have been my call.
It’s still our not as informed perspective.
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
and that's fine
But the point I’ve been trying to drive home all along is that when people reverse field after-the-fact, their credibility goes south, IMO.
As CF729 said earlier, nobody was talking about Sean Lee before the draft as a likely pick for Dallas, but now many people say that was who we needed all along.
I find that wishy-washy and I’m calling everyone out that played their cards that way.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Well...
I think that most of us are saying that we wanted more OLineman prospects to push the current starters into performing better or out of the roster… But considering the dealt cards and what the Cowboys saw in what remained… We are perfectly fine with the Cowboys picks…
But, that’s my opinion.
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
The thing about seeing the board is that now, we get to see what kind of job Cisky and his team did...
of rating the prospects.
That could be really good or really bad.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
option 4
we know RW is on the way out so we now have play makers at WR position.
We know Brooking is on the way out and James too (soon), so now we have ILB position addresses.
We have our FS of the future in AOA
we have depth at DE/DT
yes that just leaves the OL we need to address.
by CowboysFanatic on May 7, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
I doubt you'd have picked that option BEFORE the draft
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
oh but I did
didn’t you see my draft prediction.
by CowboysFanatic on May 9, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Only what I already posted...was there something else?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I like the 2nd option (with Edds)
Burnett was my favorite defensive prospect in the draft.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on May 7, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions
You think Burnett would have been the opening day starter?
I remember you liked MB over Nate Allen.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I'm guessing by mid to late season
He’s got more than enough athletic ability, but he came out as a JR, and he was playing a ‘rover’ position at GT. His support against the run was a concern. He’ll need to shore that part of his game up before they turn over the starting job.
Allen OTOH, could go in as the starter on day 1, and I bet he does in Philly.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on May 9, 2010 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Allen's play against the run wasn't considered a strength either
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
True
He’s better as a centerfielder, but while his strength wasn’t considered coming up to stuff the run, it wasn’t presented as a liability.
I liked both of them as possible FS selections for Dallas. I thought Allen would have been a good fit because he’s a field general, loves to watch game film, and has the ability to cover RB, TE, and 2nd or 3rd WR’s. Burnett looks like a playmaker based on his production at GT, and his triangle numbers were through the roof.
AOA reminds me more of Burnett with his speed, and if we didn’t get Allen or Burnett, I had AOA on my short list of backup plan targets. I was extremely happy Dallas managed to get him in the 4th rd, I didn’t think he was going to last past the 3rd.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on May 9, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I liked Burnett
I thought he had fluid hips and pretty good recognition skills.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Baltimore Ravens...
are moving Gaither to RT. Just read that .
Didn’t someone tell me he can’t play right tackle?
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 7, 2010 2:38 PM CDT reply actions
I said he's a LT
I never said they wouldn’t move him there.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I wasn't calling you out...
but when I made that prediction you and somebody else commented on it like it was crazy.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 7, 2010 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions
It IS crazy
Like playing Torrin Tucker as the starting OT for the Cowboys.
Even good teams make mistakes. I’m surprised at Harbaugh, though. This is a power running team.
Then again, lots of moves were made in the off season to make them a more pass-friendly team.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I'm sure if it doesn't work in a few weeks they'll look to move him.
BUT, it would be crazy for them not to get a good player on the field.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 8, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions
But you agree we know who Gaither is, right?
A big guy with good feet and not a mauler in the run game.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Oh I get it.
But also I’m sure part of this also has to do with them trying to gain interest in the trade market. I bet Buffalo gives up a 1 for him.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 8, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Freakin' Buffalo!
I thought they were supposed to be smarter now with their new GM.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Eh...
They are a horrible franchise.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 8, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions
BTW...
Did you notice the Lissemore spellings above?
That’s an Ode to AFB.
;-)
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Gaither Is Being Traded
. . . the Ravens are just keeping the dialogue open
I knew it!!!
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
aren't you all glad 5B wasn't running our draft
otherwise we would have reached for every player to address a need. :)
I doubt it would have mattered to you since your hindsight = your supposed foresight
If I was running the Dallas draft, you’d simply wait until it was all over and then say that those were the exact same picks you wanted anyway.
In fact, I bet I could have picked seven long snappers and then counted on you to comment on why it was such a sound rationale and why Dallas knew so much more than anyone who said we needed something different BEFORE the draft.
You’re a good fan, CF.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I dunno
. . . if 5B had been running our draft since Aikman retired then we might not be without a NFC championship for over a decade and a half
Trust me, if I were the GM there are...
five things I would have absolutely done;
Drafted Vincent Jackson
Never have let this O-line fall into its current pickle
Drafted Chris Johnson over Felix (or Mendenhall)
Never have let Brian Stewart get picked over Dom Capers to run this team’s defense
…and I’d have found a way to make Sean Payton the Head Coach over any other candidate
I don’t know if we’d be any better or worse off, but there would NEVER have been a time where fans questioned the heart, commitment and universal sense of ‘team first’, of the players, the coaches and the organization.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
...and I would have fired anyone involved with last year's draft!
including me!
;-)
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I Bet You Wouldn't
Have reached to take Quincy Carter
It's "Quinthy Carther"
…and no, he wasn’t on my radar screen. But Steven Jackson would have had a star on his helmet and rushed for over 2,000 yards in a season twice!
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
and what about guys like newman, ware, spencer?
Lets assume you start with the team as it was in 2003 when parcells started. I’m not going to defend any move Jerry made before he brought Parcells in, but since then, this organization has done an excellent job of acquiring talent and progressing players (outside the OL of course lol). Its easily been in the top 10.
How about decisions with Romo – do you keep a total project on the roster? What about Cabo, do you freak out and trade him? Not to mention that if you don’t bring in TO, the chances of Romo succeeding right off the bat like that are slim to none and you are left salivating over Brady Quinn at pick 22 the next year, and we’re back to square one at qb
Do you convince Parcells to pick ware over spears at 10 like Jerry did?? Or do you go with Merriman? Thats a franchise altering move right there. If you don’t, someone else gets the guy whose on his way to the HOF and you have an average 3-4 DE. Thats probably one of the two or three biggest moves this franchise has made since 2003.
There are just so many decisions that have made this team the way it is. You probably fire wade Phillips after either 07 or 08, and you don’t get the privelage of watching this D transform into a to 5 unit like it did last year. Caught in a regime change, guys like Spencer and Jenkins maybe don’t progress and they’re considered busts.
True, lots of unknowns
I’d have made some mistakes for sure.
On Wade, I never let him become coach. Payton takes that role.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
really?
I’d say 2/3 of cowboy fans were happy with payton leaving. The guy did well for one year with both us and the Giants and then little afterward. There was little evidence that Payton would do well as a coach.
Actually...
Fasell fired him because he thought Payton’s schemes were too complex and wanted to dumb down the playbook.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Congrats Squidlo97
Tell us a little about yourself…
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
That doesn't distinguish you from the general public...
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Sporting News
…rated our picks this way;
Bryant: A
Lee: B-
AOA: B-, but said “he will contribute on special teams as a rookie, but making the transition from D II to the NFL will take time”
Young: C
Wall: C
Lissemore: B
They rated Dez as the division’s steal of the draft.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
That's probably spot on how I feel.
BTW in unrelated news… watched the Blindside….overrated.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 8, 2010 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought so too!!!
I was expecting a very memorable film and it left me going, “okay, that was…good”.
So you’re giving Lee a lower grade than Lispmore?
Interesting…
I think they underrated the AOA pick.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I would probably switch the grades with Lee and Lissemore
And put AOA at about a B, but thats still pretty close.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 9, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions
You don't share Quincyyyyyy's love for Losemore?
He said he’s a future pro bowler.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Exactly.
It was a good story, but it wasn’t even one of the better sports movies I’ve ever watched.
I will say this.. Sandra Bullock is still pretty hot.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 9, 2010 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Jesse James is a buffoon...
those skanks he hooked up with aren’t in her league. But he’s trash, so she should have known better.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Skanks even look down their pierced noses at his choice of mistress
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on May 9, 2010 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Is she an Eagles fan, too?
Seems like if she made one bad choice, there may be others as well.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Which Makes Me Wonder Why
Someone like Sandra Bullock would have ever dated much less married Jesse James. Is that James’ fault, or Sandras’? Doesn’t she have higher standards? I mean really.
Why Am I Even Commenting On
Celebrity scandals? I normally turn up my nose at that trash. Oh, wait, now I remember—it puts us one post closer to the magic goal of 1,000.
Would that be a record for a non-game thread on BTB? Maybe OCC knows.
I agree...hard to feel sorry for chicks who dig on the douchebags and then are left wondering why they would behave like douchebags
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Draft Grades From Around the Web
From USA Today: C
“They hope they’ve landed the next Randy Moss after moving up three slots in the first round for Dez Bryant, considered the draft’s best receiver. Bryant, though, fell because of questions about his maturity. Inside linebacker Sean Lee might be a hit. But Dallas didn’t draft a left tackle, increasing the odds of Flozell Adams re-signing.”
From Rick Gosselin: C
“The Cowboys drafted the NFL offensive rookie of the year in Bryant. But one pick does not a draft make. Sean Lee is the only other draft pick likely to have an impact from this class. Owusu-Ansah is an interesting developmental project.”
From NFL Fanhouse: B+
“The Cowboys moved up a couple spots to nab Dez Bryant, a receiver with top-five overall ability who doubles as the quintessential boom-or-bust pick.”
From Sports-central.org: B-
“As good as Dez Bryant is, they had more glaring needs than WR, which was a relatively deep position in this year’s draft. They probably could have done better by taking an offensive lineman, and then taking a quick receiver like Jordan Shipley later. Instead, second-round pick Sean Lee will be a welcome addition to the quickly-aging Dallas linebackers. They did well enough to warrant some praise, but could have done even better.”
From Profootball.scout.com: B+
“Leave it to Cowboys owner Jerry Jones to make a huge splash on draft day and come away with a top ten talent deep in the first round. Selecting Oklahoma State wide receiver Dez Bryant only adds more firepower to an already dangerous offensive team that features Jason Witten, Miles Austin, Roy Williams and Felix Jones. The Cowboys also improved their defense, as they moved up in the second round to select Penn State linebacker Sean Lee, who has first round talent. And, they stole IUP’s Akwasi Owusu-Ansah in the fourth round, a rising prospect who has the versatility to play cornerback or safety at the next level.”
From Colin Cowhered (ESPN): B
“Jerry Jones wasn’t scared away by Bryant’s sketchy past, and there really doesn’t seem to be a reason anyone should have been. That said, he slipped and the ‘Boys took advantage. He makes their wide receiving corps better immediately. Lee is a very sure-handed tackler and Owusu-Ansah was one of the best small-school prospects available. He will help a Dallas secondary that looked old and slow at time last season. Owusu-Ansah and Mike Jenkins will change that. Young never lived up to the hype at Notre Dame but as a sixth rounder he’s not much of a risk.”
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
wow, there is that many crystal balls around.
I take one high impact player per draft. instead of 8 average ones.
Actually, there are at least 25 more by my count...
From the Charlotte Observer: B-
“Analysis: Perhaps fearing that the Ravens or Cardinals would jump on him, Jerry Jones moved up three spots to take Bryant, the consensus No. 1 wideout in this Draft who saw his stock drop due to much-debated “character issues.” It was a sexy pick, for a guy who clearly likes making them, but taking a long-term left tackle candidate like Charles Brown (USC) or Rodger Saffold (Indiana) might have been more prudent. Jones passed up Brown again in the second round, when Dallas swung a trade with the Eagles that helped them land Lee, who should be a good ILB in their 3-4 system. Owusu-Ansah is big and physical, but a project from the Division II ranks. The tackle the team finally took, Young, is a project who will struggle to make this team. Wall hurt his stock after injuring a hamstring during his pro day, but has a strong work ethic."
From jsonline: B+
“The Cowboys needed a safety and an offensive tackle. They got neither on the first two days, but they were able to make themselves better. WR Dez Bryant will be an instant upgrade in the return game; LB Sean Lee might get an early role on the defense; and DB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah is a project who many had as one of the top sleepers in this draft. But they might have to consider bringing back Flozell Adams.”
From nflnr.com: B+
“The Cowboys were probably the luckiest team in round one, after they were able to get Dez Bryant into the fold. His off the field issues aside, Bryant is clearly a top five talent, and to have gotten him as low as Dallas did speaks volumes about how blind some teams can be when it comes to attitude and emotions.”
From nflsoup: D+
“In a Randy Moss-esque fall, Dez Bryant fell to the Cowboys. This was more based on Bryant’s off-field issues, and nothing to do with the Cowboys’ actual drafting ability. Dallas did have the presence of mind to snag Penn State linebacker Sean Lee in the second-round, before drafting a few players who are likely long-shots to even make the final roster.”
And here’s a great article on how the raters stacked up.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2010/2010-nfl-draft-report-card-report
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
like I said there is way too many pundits around.
as a true football person will tell you. the immediate after draft grading is for the fans. you never know until three years from now.
by CowboysFanatic on May 11, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
But some people have proven they are better talent evaluators than others
Hence the guys like Jimmy Johnson, Scott Pioli, Bill Polian, even AJ Smith.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
OH CRAP
You know, I wasn’t even looking at that…is that some sort of record to shoot for?
I’ll tell you one thing, it takes a while for this thread to fully load…even on my mac.
But I’ve had a lot of fun with this post. I hope you all have too.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
I know its teting my patience too
but I guess the 1000 responses is like a RB reaching a 1000 yards. well maybe like 1500 yards :) its not easy
by CowboysFanatic on May 12, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions
1000 what?
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
More on Sean Lee
Positives: Productive and versatile linebacker who’s displayed a lot of ability on the field. Possesses tremendous instincts, diagnoses the action and reads plays before they unfold. Very aggressive, drives his shoulders into ball-carriers and wraps up tackling. Resilient and stays with the action. Shows a closing burst of speed, fluid moving sideline to sideline and plays with a large degree of athleticism.
Negatives: Does not get depth on drops and shows limited skills in coverage. Struggled returning from the knee injury that put him on the sidelines in 2008.
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
And more...
Penn State linebacker Sean Lee, who went to Upper St. Clair High School, appeared to be the player the Steelers were targeting in the second round after selecting Florida center Maurkice Pouncey with the 18th overall pick. They had a first-round grade on Lee and thought he fit the way they played better than any linebacker in the draft.
But, the Steelers did not think Lee would be available when it came their turn.
When he was, it seemed like an obvious choice. But coach Mike Tomlin really liked Worilds, an undersized defensive end in college who fit nicely as a disruptive outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense — something the Steelers were lacking behind James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley.
What’s more, the return of Larry Foote in free agency gave the Steelers four inside linebackers, along with James Farrior, Lawrence Timmons and Keyaron Fox. Even though Farrior is 35, the need for depth was more dire on the outside, not inside.
So they passed on Lee and selected Worilds
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Look who the best pick in Round 1 was...
http://www.pigskinpaul.com/Pigskin_Pauls_Place/Home/Entries/2010/5/5_NFL_Draft_Talk.html
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
But not least
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on May 16, 2010 6:16 AM CDT up reply actions
>1000 comments, congrats 5Blings!
I’m one of the little people you couldn’t have done it without ;)
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
You're not a little person in my book
"Emotion is highly overrated in football. My wife Corky is emotional as hell but can't play football worth a damn."
- John McKay, the first coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

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