Trade Rumor: Bobby Carpenter for Rams OT Alex Barron
by Aaron Novinger on May 6, 2010 12:36 PM CDT
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PrintPFT is reporting that there may be something to a rumor that has the Cowboys shipping ILB Bobby Carpenter to the Rams for restricted free agent OT Alex Barron.
There are contractual issues at play for both players that may need to get resolved. Carpenter is entering the final year of his rookie contract. Barron is a restricted free agent.
While this is only a rumor for now, we hear the deal has a good chance of getting done.
Interesting. This trade ought to satisfy many folks here at BTB. Not only would the Cowboys rid themselves of Carpenter, thus opening up room for Jason Williams and Sean Lee to grow; but, it would also add an experienced player at the offensive tackle position.
Sounds like a good deal to me, even though the article said Barron is a "false start machine".
What do you think?
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Odd. There are plenty of bloggers
on NFL.com that believe the Rams would be getting the better end of the deal. Could it be true that Carp will be a superior 4-3 OLB but he just didn’t cut it physically in our 3-4 ILB spot.
Like many here, I think the trade is great for the Cowboys. Maybe Rams fans are blinded by Carp’s pretty blonde hair? Me? I’d trade him for ham sandwich.
And he might be a better 4-3 OLB.
But he was expendable here, and it’s hard to find OL that aren’t super old and have started that many games. It’s a pretty fair trade.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
Boyzfan94-"And where was it said we were attempting to trade Carpenter? It certainly wasn’t last year and there wasn’t anything to prove that he was this year. Carpenter will be the backup to Brookings again this year hate to tell you because neither Williams or Lee are ready for that role."
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL - AFB going for the jugular with his sig
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
yea, HILARIOUS !!!
… and isn’t he the guy that doesn’t like when it gets personal :)
(luv ya Iron :)
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
It's not personal
But if you pat yourself on the back, you should have a bib ready to eat crow. :)
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
Boyzfan94-"And where was it said we were attempting to trade Carpenter? It certainly wasn’t last year and there wasn’t anything to prove that he was this year. Carpenter will be the backup to Brookings again this year hate to tell you because neither Williams or Lee are ready for that role."
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 7, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions
I have no problem with that....but the trade isn't done yet..
You can go there no problem…little immature don’t you think, whatever….Like I said below it’s all good. I got the WR I wanted without blowing the draft for a OL and we drafted what I think will be a stud safety in th near future. Williams better be the guy is all I will say…..he hasn’t shown a whole lot thus far..
"First rounders need to be starters" Jerry Jones.
coming from a small college program
I’d say most players with his limited experience don’t show much their rookies years, the same will hold true for Akwasi, who you think will be a stud in the near future….Williams deserves that same consideration.
In Romo we Trust
I dont think there is much of a choice. Williams has to show what he can do this year..
I like him, but he better be able to do the job is all im saying…
"First rounders need to be starters" Jerry Jones.
Hmmm well I could say the same thing for...
being a flaming homer.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
Boyzfan94-"And where was it said we were attempting to trade Carpenter? It certainly wasn’t last year and there wasn’t anything to prove that he was this year. Carpenter will be the backup to Brookings again this year hate to tell you because neither Williams or Lee are ready for that role."
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 7, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
Who Cares?
Barbie is useless in our defense. If someone else can use him – awesome. But he’s absolutely useless to us so we need to get rid of him!
by Blue Eyed Devil on May 6, 2010 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Carp will absolutely be a better 4-3 OLB than inside backer
I can see him starting for the Rams and having a fairly productive career at that position.
In Romo we Trust
Flozell was a false machine as well
but keep in mind he’ll be merely backing up Free, hopefully he won’t have to see the field.
In Romo we Trust
exactly
last year Adams had 9 penalties. Barron had 8. columbo had 6. plus he played for the Rams. what do you expect if you have to keep pass rusher in check for 10 seconds.
by CowboysFanatic on May 6, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Flo gave up 8
That actually surprised him, I didn’t remember him being THIS bad.
by Cowboysaficionado on May 6, 2010 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions
Surprised him too
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
7 According to Bob Sturm
Bob Sturm (1310 radio host) breaks down every sack on his blog and attributed 7 sakcs to Flo last year.
Heres his full list:
Week Opponent Sack Blame
Wk 1 Tampa Barber Romo awareness
Wk 3 Carolina Davis Adams?
Wk 3 Carolina Beason Felix/Colombo
Wk 4 Denver Dumervil Adams
Wk 4 Denver Hill Garrett?
Wk 4 Denver Williams Romo
Wk 4 Denver Dumervil Anderson
Wk 4 Denver Holiday Adams
Wk 5 Kansas City Gilberry Davis/Choice
Wk 7 Atlanta DeCoud Davis/Choice
Wk 7 Atlanta Nicholas Anderson
Wk 8 Seattle Hawthorne Colombo
Wk 8 Seattle Hawthorne Gurode
Wk 9 Philadelphia Parker Witten
Wk 9 Philadelphia Babin Kosier
Wk 9 Philadelphia Jones ???
Wk 9 Philadelphia Cole Adams
Wk 10 Green Bay Collins Witten
Wk 10 Green Bay Barnett Gurode
Wk 10 Green Bay Matthews Adams
Wk 10 Green Bay Barnett Barber
Wk 10 Green Bay Woodson Adams
Wk 11 Washington Griffin Davis
Wk 12 Oakland Scott Davis
Wk 12 Oakland Scott Free
Wk 13 New York Rouse Gurode
Wk 13 New York Sintim Romo/Garrett
Wk 14 San Diego Siler Free
Wk 15 New Orleans Smith Romo
Wk 15 New Orleans Vilma Gurode
Wk 15 New Orleans Smith Adams
Wk 16 Washington Daniels 76, 70, 68
Wk 17 Philadelphia Patterson Gurode
Wk 17 Philadelphia Parker/td> Barber, Romo
by Blue Eyed Devil on May 6, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Here's my trade proposal:
Carpenter and Crayton to the Rams.
Barron and Atogwe to the Cowboys.
Done.
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See? Simple as that.
I can be an NFL GM.
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by Brandon Worley on May 6, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Perfect.
For both teams, too!
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on May 6, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions
do we really want two former rams and two former Lions?
both squads were worst teams in NFL the time we got them
by AustonianAggie on May 6, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Just a rhetorical question: Would you also refuse Calvin Johnson for having been on the Lions?
lol, it’s an extreme example, but don’t paint every individual with the success (or lack of) of a team.
I'm fully on board.
Throw in a couple of later picks next year also if necessary. Make that trade and call it an offseason.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Atogwe will be
FA in june. so why trade for him?
by CowboysFanatic on May 6, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions
This just may have some legs to it, after all.
Archer’s reporting that the two teams are, indeed, in trade talks.
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/05/cowboys-in-talks-to-trade-line.html
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
We have an opening at false start machine
by I_miss_Switzer on May 6, 2010 12:47 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
lol
If any team knows how to make adjustments for 1st-and15s, it’s Dallas.
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on May 6, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
we are the best 1st and 15 team in football
by I_miss_Switzer on May 6, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions
How do you think we pad the stats, DUH /sarcasm
Srsly, switz, funniest comment of the week.
by DaStarShinesBright on May 7, 2010 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions
funny
true, and he has seen his day, but darn it all, I love me Flozell Adams. Make me deaf and I’d double his false start count easy.
Flozell, we love you and we’ll miss you….
I like Flo
You can overcome false starts. Sacks kill drives and get QBs hurt.
by I_miss_Switzer on May 6, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I kind of liked teh fact that Flo was willing to take a 25k fine for tripping
just to keep his QB upright. Good call, if you ask me.
Epic Fail since 1985
by the red scare on May 6, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah, the classic "teh".
Epic Fail since 1985
by the red scare on May 6, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Nothing from nothing leaves nothing.
But Dallas needs a nothing backup OT more than they need a nothing backup ILB now.
I love it.
Adam_Schefter
10:31am, May 6 from UberTwitterTrade in works filed to ESPN: Cowboys preparing to trade LB Bobby Carpenter to Rams for OT Alex Barron. Not official yet but going that way.
Adam Schefter from Twitter
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Sweet.
Sounds like they’re gettin’ er done!
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on May 6, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
i rememeber this guy being extremely accurate
in predictions of draft day, hopefully this time will be the same
It's gaining speed.
Even DC.com is reporting it.
From Nick Eatman:
As for Barron, he was drafted 19th overall in 2005, one spot ahead of Marcus Spears. Barron has started 74 of the 76 games played, although it’s been reported the Rams have not been pleased with the consistency of Barron. St. Louis drafted Jason Smith with the No. 2 pick in the 2009 draft and then took Indiana lineman Roger Saffold with the 33rd pick in this year’s draft.
Barron started all 16 games at left tackle last year, 15 games at right tackle in 2008 and all 16 games at left tackle in 2007.
If Barron indeed comes to the Cowboys, he will likely compete with Doug Free for the starting left tackle position, but his experience playing both positions could also increase his value as a swing-tackle to back up both spots.
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on May 6, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
That's what I like.
just depth. An average backup is fine to me.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah...
I guess that’s more like it.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
good backup and spot starter
is exactly what this team needs. Makes me wonder what happens with Brewster (will he be moved back inside?) Should be a good training camp battle for the last few Oline spots.
I think originally we wanted him to compete with Kosier
seems to short to play tackle anyhow
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
Compete with Doug Free?
Now that’s a stretch, after all the tongue bath Jerruh has done on Free this offseason.
by Cowboysaficionado on May 6, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Have the Rams actually seen Carpenter play?
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 12:49 PM CDT reply actions
do you mind shutting up until the deal is done?
let’s all act like this makes football sense -maybe a post about how much we will miss having a first rounder be known for his ponytail and special teams play.
by I_miss_Switzer on May 6, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha.
ummm yes.. so sad…
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Fantastic post
We could also point out the Rams just got better at the all important “jackass in a country music video” position.
I remember Aikman singing a country song
I can’t find it on Amazon, anyone remember what that Album was?
by AustonianAggie on May 6, 2010 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions
http://www.amazon.com/NFL-Country-Steve-Azar/dp/B000A81W90
Here goes the Album
I didn’t know asleep at the wheel recorded with them, I know those guys (I’ve met them a couple of times at parties)!
by AustonianAggie on May 6, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
doh! I rescind that! I’m having an absentee brain day
by AustonianAggie on May 6, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Wait, seriously? Carp was in a country music video?
If so, this needs to be posted on the Rams blog the second the trade is finalized.
Hopefully Barron can create some competition along the O line. If he and Free crack the starting line up, our average age goes WAY down. Yay for us.
Epic Fail since 1985
by the red scare on May 6, 2010 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
The Rams are probably asking the same of the Cowboys in regards to Barron.
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on May 6, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Does Barron have a ponytail that sticks out under his helmet
there is your upgrade
by I_miss_Switzer on May 6, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions
At least Barron has started.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
73 more games than Carp!
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on May 6, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually Carp would fit in nicely with a 4-3 team at OLB
I can see him becoming more productive in that scheme than Barron will become for us.
In Romo we Trust
Agree with you Terry
Bobby isn’t a starter in out 3-4 scheme, but he’ll probably be a starter for the Rams. Don’t know much about Barron, but I assume he’ll be brought in to compete with Free. Anybody know if Barron has RT experience?
yes, he's started at both tackle positions
which makes him a perfect swing tackle candidate.
In Romo we Trust
Yep
One of the better trades IMO that Dallas has/or will do in a while.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
if he's a swing tackle
does this mean we move Brewster back inside? I’m really interested to see how Young, Tepper and crew perform in training camp.
Bobby Carpenter can't tackle
If there is a scheme that is a good fit for a linebacker who can’t tackle… I’d like to see it.
Flag Football
Carp would be All Pro in a flag football league
yeah could be
4-3 is perfect for him and seems like has nose for the ball, remmeber seattle and eagles playoff games
Carp was always very athletic and had a nose for the ball
when he didn’t have to shed blocks and could operate in space. Playing inside, he simply isn’t tough or physical enough but outside he could have a future.
In Romo we Trust
Remember the "I've been point on" all season remark...
from somebody saying that he guarantees that carpenter will be on the roster this year?
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh you're talking about
Douche Baggins, right? Where is he anyway?
You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more
I agree with Terry as well
Carp was being forced into a 3-4 when BP drafted him
Also Barron gave up 7.5 sacks last year. LOOK OuT Romo
Actually Carp would fit in nicely with a 4-3 team at OLB
I can see him becoming more productive in that scheme than Barron will become for us.
In Romo we Trust
by Terry on May 6, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
This is why I hope the Boys get more than just Barron out of the deal. Perhaps a 4th or 5th round draft pick? They get a starter, we get a backup.
Too greedy
I’m sure the Rams knew Carp had a good chance of not even making the team. I’m just happy they got a OT who isn’t a complete scrub out of the deal.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
ROFL, your not right.
KICK ASS every day!!!
by squidlo97 on May 6, 2010 1:00 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
lol
Have the Cowboys actually seen Barron play? I understand that he’ll be a backup, but the guy blows.
by Cowboysaficionado on May 6, 2010 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
We're winning the SuperBowl anyways, so might as well take a chance on a guy at a need position
while also opening things up for the young ILBs.
Speaking of LBers, I’m trying hard as hell not to click on that LT Raping a 16yo girl Story to the right over there. Shame. Have a nice life…
…sentence, that is.
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on May 6, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
sad if true ...
the guy was given life on a silver platter and just spent it looking for ways to tarnish his luck
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
I noticed you avoided saying silver "spoon"...
was that to avoid any drug-cooking reference?
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on May 6, 2010 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
They must only have access to
The Seattle Playoff game ; )
by Dave Chappelle Jr. AKA Felix Jones on May 6, 2010 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions
give carp a break
the guy came out of a 4-3 defense as an OLB, and we’ve got him playing ILB in a 3-4. he’s not in a great position to succeed here. maybe the change of scenery (and scheme and coaching) would do him some good. he’s obviously an athlete. even if he was a reach for a 1st rounder, he would have been gone in the 2nd, and that means he’s got something. maybe someone else can get it out of him.
Of course he has something
He’s a " finesse " tackler. And wow, I thought I’d never see this here. An actual Barbie Carpenter supporter on a Cowboys blog.
by Cowboysaficionado on May 6, 2010 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions
....mmmmm...
nope.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
He might do fine there.
The guy is clearly a 4-3 OLB. Maybe he just needs a change of scenery. And I would want to die if Barron was one of our starters, but he’s a more than serviceable backup. Good deal.
I agree...
Carpenter never adjusted to playing inside in the 3-4 and wasn’t big enough nor the pass rushing threat to play outside full time. In a 4-3 he could play on the strong side, cover the tight end and rush some on the blitzes in Spagnulo’s schemes. You know, kind of like what he did at OSU and what got him picked in the first round to begin with.
So St. Louis is going to have two Ohio State LB's if this happens.
hmmm
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah...
Just saying I think that is funny.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions
They should trade for Ghoulston.
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on May 6, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
They get AJHawk and they'll be set up to make a 3-4 switch!
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on May 6, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm just really shocked that they are wanting to trade him.
According to a member on our site, if you watch him play you can see that he was a really good nickel LB.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 12:55 PM CDT reply actions
I have been told he was a huge upgrade from Burnett
and that I am crazy for thinking otherwise
by I_miss_Switzer on May 6, 2010 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm I wonder if we are talking about the same guy?
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
And I heard he was working out
like a man possessed around Valley Ranch during the offseason pushing the sled up and down the field.
"The Most Dangerous Man in the world is the one with nothing to lose"
by SaratogaRacing on May 6, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Pushing Sleds Around
Has never been his weakness…
by Blue Eyed Devil on May 6, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Interestingly, the folks at Turf Show Times like the deal as well
http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2010/5/6/1460829/pft-has-learned-from-a-league#comments
This could bode well for the deal.
by One.Cool.Customer on May 6, 2010 1:02 PM CDT reply actions
It does make sense for both sides.
The Rams desperately need a LB, while Dallas needs some OL depth. I know Barron was a bust, but I think he’s definitly worth it for depth.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I mean
they had Mr. Irrelevant starting for them…. a 1st rounder HAS to be better, lol
by nicholas.rodriguez on May 6, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey, anybody seen McQuistan?
He seems to be missing.
When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.
hmmm
I liked the Crayton for Smiley rumor better. Don’t know much about Barron.
I mean, if he gives us ANYTHING it’ll be a good trade. But depth for the sake of depth doesn’t help us much I think – we really need starting caliber players, cause I think these starters are going to break down soon – whether in their play or health.
So at tackle, we’d have Free, Columbo, Brewster, Barron and whichever rookie tackle makes the team?
ok, reading the rams' fans remarks
it seems like hes at least competent, so thats a good start lol.
The guy has 60 NFL starts
27 years old with 60 NFL starts. That a very competent backup at least. I’d love to have him.
by Blue Eyed Devil on May 6, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
27 years old...
oh man that will lower the ave age of our o lineman…Bye Dawk will have to find something else to pik on because he knows who owns who….
he won't start
and hes backing up the one position where we have young depth that could come along and work out (Brewster and maybe a rookie). Meanwhile, our Gs/C are 32 years old and really don’t have competent backups… ByeDawk will still harp on it.
maybe brewster goes back to guard?
Bye dawk should worry about the birds o line,,,
Dallas dominated there front and with 13 selection in this years draft the fawking eagles draft 0 o lineman..So Bye Dawk should just shut the fawk up….JMHO
Dude
you went and changed your name. Now you’re just another jimbo.
by One.Cool.Customer on May 6, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
cool
it will get take some getting used to, but welcome to the front page, JimmyK.
by One.Cool.Customer on May 6, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, probably gonna have to tone it down a notch, and the luxury of posting the occasion dud is gone.
Be careful OCC.
Could be an impostor.
We need a good test question.
If you are byedawk, JimmyK, who is your real favorite NFL team?
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on May 6, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Jimmy, I must say, I do luv to hate you :)
… and you are funny if nothing else :)
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
I'll even give ya a hall pass until your next troll comment :)
(man, I just can’t resist :)
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
... if he changes his name to Bye, McNabb then maybe
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Haha, hey, now there’s an interesting question. I don’t know if I have that kind of access, but if I do, he’ll probably be required to write a 200 word essay on why we should let him back in.
why would I want back??
Jason would just ban me again after getting his pansies all up in a bunch after some smack talk.
In Romo we Trust
What happened to Bye, Donnie?
When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.
I dare someone to go by Bye, Carpenter :’(
by AustonianAggie on May 6, 2010 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
wouldn’t most people want to go by Bye, Carpenter :D?
by Alexcomestokill on May 6, 2010 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
"Bye, Dawk" was a sentimental name.
“See ya, Barbie!” would be much more fitting.
LOL
Rabid and luvin' it
LMAO
If Boyzfan94 is willing to change his moniker
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
eh...Well since your here once again on BTB...
Why did the birds neglect to take at least 1 Olineman with 13 picks in this draft? Eagles line looked like swiss cheese against dallas …With ALL those picks why not take a lineman?
Don’t know – I also felt they should have added more OL depth. That said, their issue isn’t the same as the Cowboys. Unlike the Cowboys, the Eagles starters are all in their mid-late 20’s, and they have capable backups at every position.
That's a gimme
When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.
our Front 7
could make any backups look, less than adequate, they make a lot of starters look less than adequate
by nicholas.rodriguez on May 6, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Capable backup????
What? Where? How? Who?
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
starts for the rams...
and rams fans seem happy to let him go for carpenter.
Just saying – while this will definitely help when it comes to depth, it won’t solve our problem that in a year or two we’ll need to totally revamp our line.
Ur most likely correct
It depends on how brewster and sam young work out..If those 2 can play along with Free they will be just fine..Lets see how these young guys work out before we jump to conclusions
He's an average player...
At least you know what you get with Barron, unlike Brewster or whatever rookie.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions
yea that seems to be the case.
And they say hes rarely hurt too.
So…not a bad trade if it goes down. Carpenter would be the 5th wheel I think at lb.
depth is good
of course it would be better to get a starting caliber OL. but we’re talking about giving up a backup LB to get him. what would you expect to get back?
i like this trade in principle (haven’t actually seen barron play, i don’t think). two guys who were clearly prospects who have disappointed. swap them and give them a fresh start at positions of need for each team? sounds perfect. and just maybe somebody’s career gets jump started.
This from the Rams Blog
Barron’s agent gave the typical offseason lip service that players and agents give when a guy comes back for his last season before unrestricted free agency. To wit:
Alex is planning on having the best year of his career. I believe Alex will show that he’ll be one of the best tackles in the NFC.
It would be great for the Rams if Barron really does have the best year of his career, and all he really needs to do that is cut down on the penalties. Last season, when he was also playing for a contract, Barron had 11 penalties; he averages 12.6 per season. His 5 false starts were a career low, and his 5 holding flags were a career high.
When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.
+1
Even if he isn’t the next Columbo, I think this is one of the better trades Dallas has done in a while.
Barron is good enough where I don’t feel like “oh crap” if one of the tackles went down. I mean yeah I would not be happy, but at least there is someone experienced back there.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe
Even though Colombo’s problems were regarding health, not playing ability.
by Cowboysaficionado on May 6, 2010 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes! Yes! Yes!
Do it Cowboys! Do it!
Hell, I’ll take a pack of airline peanuts for Barbie. Just get him the hell out of here!
Or pretzels.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
hahahaha
no doubt,,I just want Carp gone…Getting Barron is just a bonus
+70 - 54 = 16 win regular and postseason wins for the Cowboys in 2010!
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on May 6, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions
We are OCC trained.
When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.
and?
it is not like our line has played any better since he has been here. Davis and Gurode if anything regressed
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
Disagree
Gurode and Davis have both played better under Houck
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
You should see the Rams linebacker coach work
It’s a great deal for the Rams!
by Trey, on May 6, 2010 1:37 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
The interesting thing about this is that the Rams' HC should be familiar with Carp, being from the Beast and all.
I guess he likes his potential in the 4-3?
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
Yeah...
but it’s not like Carp actually played much while he was around.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions
yea thats interesting
I think Carp will do pretty well there. Its a good deal for both teams, but I think the Rams will very likely benefit more.
Perhaps the best part of this is that it buys us a couple more years to develop a prospect
Not Young, from what little I know … but perhaps a Brewster or an early one next year.
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
was that you talking about Randy White's legacy yesterday?
(I WOULD LOVE TO SEE LEE IN #54)
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Don't forget prior to that it was Chuck Howley's number.
Super bowl MVP.
54 has traditionally been linked with good play around here.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
I did forget!! How did Carpenter get it?
… and I would give it to Lee in a heart-beat …
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Oddly, the Cowboys have the most SB MVPs
even though the Steelers won more SBs.
Cowboys have 7 (Staubach, Howley, R White, H Martin, Aikman, E Smith and L Brown)
In Romo we Trust
This story is like a dream come true ...
Poor Blings, absolutely destroys his dreams of reaching 1000 posts talking about the need for Oline depth :)
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
...or perhaps it could get it to 1,500!
The Offensive Line Depth: No Longer Barren!
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on May 6, 2010 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Barron will offer competition at the tackle positions
but I’m fairly sure Free will get the better of him
yeah, and even the #2 pick in the draft
by AustonianAggie on May 6, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I wonder what the verticle ranking comparison between Alex Barron and Suh are; was Suh seen as a better prospect than Barron this year?
Barron was knocked for the very thing that plagued his career in st louis, he had a reputation as a low effort player
by AustonianAggie on May 6, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm confused.
Barron was the #19 pick
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions
I have no idea on what your intentions are
on comparing Barron and Suh. I don’t understand at all.
by Cowboysaficionado on May 6, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
wow I misread somewhere that Barron was second over all pick
my bad
by AustonianAggie on May 6, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
No no
They were talking about Leonard Davis. It’s cool.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I know, I thought Davis and Barron both were #2s
by AustonianAggie on May 6, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
No problem
The Rams had an OT at number 2 though, which was Jason Smith last year.
by Cowboysaficionado on May 6, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions
if they had 1 WR
they might have suddenly found a new Offensive nucleus – 2 new tackles, 1 Rb (Jackson) 1 QB
by AustonianAggie on May 6, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey we can trade them a #3 WR if they need it.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd give them Roy and a Sixth rounder
Just to take him, they don’t even have to send us anything in return
You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more
I think Barron was drafted just ahead of Marcus Spears.
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on May 6, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Good lord this day just got awesome.
We are going to get some actual tackle depth and unload Bobby Carpenter. I am extremely happy right now assuming this is done.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
bkup vs bkup
personally i think dalls gets better on this pertaining to bk up depth and we all know bobby c wasnt goin to b here or play much this year,, so i say pull the trade and gettr done jj , the thing about barron is that in stlouis he didnt have hudson houck,, they didnt win much,,,and here he has the set up with better o-line coach and a better team ,,sometimes that alone , can rectify a players desire to b better ,
Good, as long as we get a seasoned back up, why not.
Family, Friends, Cowboys, Beer & BBQ. Life is good!
right on!..this year jus gettin better
i agree … for all the mistakes that jj has made(galloway and roy w,) givin away 3 no 1s anda 3rd and a 6th and tons of money for em to get no production was insane, but i see this as a better fit as to what we need, plus we all knew bobby was otw out,, this lee kid is real deal …
as far as gal and rw trades… i can see jerry walk to the plate,,,hers the pitch,,, swing,,, sttrrrike!… jerry digs in… hers the pitch ,,,swings,,, strrrike 2!… manager strolls over…tells jerry,,, its inevitable that strike 3 is forth comming,, yanks jerry …bring on the dh,,,lol
Good one
Is it so much to ask that you use correct spelling, grammar, capitalization, and punctuation 50% of the time? Not to be rude, but that thing above you call a paragraph comes off relatively incoherant and I actually care to read your opinion. I just don’t wan’t to spend five minutes deciphering it. Thank you, and I really am not trying to disrespect you. Sorry if I hurt your feelings, but it wasn’t the intention.
Semper Fi Do or Die
heheheh its all good,,no offense taken )
with little light in here and a key or 2 that does stick at times im not surprised if i had made more mistakes, but then tryin to keep up with 2 or more conversations as i was loil.. hope u forgive the scrambled mess i wrote . )
I can’t believe the Rams would do that deal straight up. I’d have to think a 2011 pick would have to also be involved.
byedawk?
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on May 6, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
byedono
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on May 6, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions
add a :) to that
Trust them...they know what they're doing.
by Aaron Novinger on May 6, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Why not?
Both of them are first round busts, and it would fill needs for both teams.
by Cowboysaficionado on May 6, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Quiet you!
Rams execs don’t pay attention to the man behind the green curtain!
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice screen name change.
I was thinking about doing the same considering the unoriginality of my name (that’s what I get for hastily making one).
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
yea
This is a common name on multiple sports sites for me, I made it during the NCAA tournament where Villanova had Randy Foye and have decided just not to change it. I think I will sometime soon.
I'm from the philly suburbs.
But the only hometown team I liked growing up was the Phillies – which is funny, cause I don’t remember them being any good when I started watching them. What a miserable decade between 96-06 for both teams. But it seems like my loyalty is paying off, lol.
I know I am going to sound pretty stupid
but how do you actually change screen names and link your past activity to your new name/account?
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
He's worth more to the Rams because...
they play Seattle twice a year. Carpenter is really good against the Seahawks.
So pardon my disposition; why should I listen to a system that never listened to me?
Eatman Says He'd Compete with Free
I would rather he compete with Columbo…
So pardon my disposition; why should I listen to a system that never listened to me?
lol
i agree ….we have a winning o-line coach here and a winning attitude and if that alone doesnt make barron want to succeed even more so here .. then he will always b a back up
works for me...
we get rid of a backup that we don’t need and get a backup that we might need… however, i wish Jerry would package something up, like Carpenter, Crayton (i like him but we don’t nee him) etc… for a stud starting tackle…
but if this is all we do i am fine with it…
camp compition
i like the possibilities of this trade. both teams benefit according to their needs. i feel that with what we have in place with hudson houck and a chance at winning alot of games will inspire barron to b more than he was in st louis. besides with all the fierce compatition at alot positions. this camp will b exciting to watch…wr, ol,ilb, safety s, who makes fb or hb position, can dez unseat rw and jus a matter of when i suspect. looks to b alot of fun ,,,)
He's
started a lot of games which is a good thing. I would be surprised if he can beat out Free though. I think it’s a good move. Bobby was gone after this coming year anyway. Gives Dallas more depth which we have all talked about. I think Bobby fits the 4-3 better so maybe he can help the Rams. Rams HC should know him well so we shall see. Good, smart move by Jerry!
I wonder if Shane Falco will play for the Cowboys in 2011
by Cowboysaficionado on May 6, 2010 2:34 PM CDT reply actions
I prefer
Jonathan moxon, or the guy from the old spice commercials….
Texas Stadium has a hole in the roof so God can watch his favorite team play football.
by iCowboy on May 6, 2010 4:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'll accept Barron as a backup.
We already got rid of one hideously penalty prone starter, I’d hate to pick up another one so soon.
I think a move to a 4-3 defense helps Carpenter. Maybe he actually becomes a decent player.
If this trade goes down I’ll be happy. Then they need to get back on the phone with Parcells and see if hen still wants Crayton. Crayton for Smiley would make a great follow up; then we’d have veteran line depth inside and out. Of course, that’s assuming there was anything behind those rumors.
i agree ..well asesed tyler
manager walks jerry bk to the plate ill give ya one more chance at last pitch,,, jerry swings,,, its hit to right,, jerry rounds past 1st,,, hers the incomming throw to 2nd… safe!… story to b continued at a latyer date )
reading that hurt my brain.
compositionally. at least.
"Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
possible it would help both guys careers
i liked barron in his colledge days , i jus felt that in stl he didnt have the guidance and bein the team hada sucky qb who often held the ball too long and wasnt exactly the most moble at that,,, all bein equal , i think this trade helps dallas alot and who knows to what exstent that hudson may be able to rectify barrons career.
well....
frankly, we’ve had no luck finding talented olineman. Parcells helped us so much, and we are still living off that. He got Flo into shape and he became a consistent near pro bowl level starter. We signed Columbo and that worked out beautifully. And Gurode seemed to really turn it around when Parcells was here too. Kosier was signed also.
The only new guy is Davis, and I wonder sometimes if hes not the weak link.
I like it too
Bye bye Bobby, I don’t think anyone here will be sad to see him go.
And instant depth and options at OT. I still hope Free starts, but always good to have serious competition and veteran presence, and big upgrade at swing tackle whoever is the starter.
jerry desire to win
jerrys desire to win this year with the sb being in our home town ,,,you know jerrys gonna pull out all the stops to get em there if he can, that being said, i feel there isnt any owner/ gm id rather have here than jerry. his willl to make the boyz the best is what makes him the envy of the league, but hes also had some bone head trades ala galloway and rw, but he was tryin. know what they ssay,,, no effort,, no gain ,
possible re-directs on o-line?
if trade goes thru, how will this effect the bk up at lt and will he still compete at lt or will he move inside and if so where ?
yikes
yeah for sure
and wouldn’t have garnered more than like a 7th round pick. with the low draft round value of trades these days, player-for-player trades seem to be a much better way to go.
Poor Bobby, just went from a serious SB contender to the worst team in the NFL. On the positive side, maybe he’ll get more playing time lol.
Can't be any worse.
He looked OK in the nickel last year, but would never be a LB in the 3/4. I hope he does well with the Rams.
Give them a couple years
I think Spagnuolo will have that defense playing really well, and Bobby may be an integral part of that team.
yea thats pretty bad
and being at LT, its easier to grade players than say center or guard, so I’ll trust PFF.
Although penalties are -13 for him, hes not an awful player otherwise.
ok, so its really not as bad as the PFF rankings say
According to PFF:
In 2008, he was a solid pass blocker, awful run blocker. In 2009 he was a bad pass blocker, slightly subpar run blocker. Both years, the penalties squash his ranking.
Taking out penalties:
In 2008 he’d be around 50/77
In 2009 he’d be around 60/77
So…hes generally in the lower half of the league’s starters when it comes to his play, but he is so heavily penalized -keep in mind flo ranked 69 and 51 in 2008 and 2009….almost entirely because of a 15 point difference in penalties. And thats ridiculous cause his play was far more suspect last year, i thought.
So given that PFF way overemphasizes this factor, I’m not sure they’re a good judge of him.
That was my first thought too
I have already looked up everything, but I won’t make a post, as I don’t want to scare anybody with the numbers …
At first glance, it ain’t pretty, but nothing is pretty when you play for the Rams. Once the trade goes through I’ll try to deliver a balanced statistical assessment of the guy.
by One.Cool.Customer on May 6, 2010 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions
barron according to stl coaching
would barron have maybe done better with a good oline coach and a qb that didnt hold the ball so long or was more athletic? and what of jus playin for a losing team ? compared to hudson houck and a winning possibility here ? do you think it might make a difference in his play ?
Yeah, how far back do those stats go? I’d like to see Davis’ stats his last year with AZ compared to his first as a Cowboy.
that's a good point
hard to judge too much when you’re playing on the #32 team.
in 2007, he started 7 games at LT and 1 at RT, and was ranked #34 overall in the middle of the pack, but was very good against the pass rush, ranked #2 with a +14 grade
Absolutely
Just look at the Colts. Peyton can make any O-line look golden. Similarly, I think Barron could easily shine in Dallas.
Earlier today I watched a film of Wade Phillips addressing the 2010 rookie class on The Blitz, and he said "We have the best coaching staff in the League". I’m inclined to believe him. Just think what Houck could make out of the guy.
Add Romo as a nimble QB with a fast release, add other o-line players who can do everything (except perhaps power block), and the chances of Barron resurrecting a tarnished career in Dallas are not bad at all.
The stats won’t show any of this though.
by One.Cool.Customer on May 6, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions
its a good point
a good qb can make an oline look much better – I think Romo did it all the time with ours.
and yea
when you consider they had a declining bulger/other crappy starters at qb, and pretty poor wr play, its possible more blame goes to an olineman than it should
thanks was lookin for wisdom on my question... well put !
i just feel that given the circumstances in stl , there are a few extenuating circunstances that may have been involved (pos coaching, qb play,) that barron might well succeed here better. with those responses i get a better feel for the posibilities for barron here ..ty )
As a caveat I have never seen Barron play
but predicting ol play on a different team is tough. Look at Columbo or Davis with us.
O.Cool, I'm hoping you do one of your "mix stats with eye-test" style ones...
I like your assessments as well as the numbers.
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
the fun will be watching him better those stats ...
once he’s amongst better talent and finds some ‘want to’
you're missing a zero in there somewhere ... it's almost 6 mil a win :)
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
poor East Bay fans ... they just don't get a break
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
barron jus needs better teaching to succeed
what a difference a change in teaching and a good oline coach can make you better, that said, you still have to have the skillz and desire to work with,, but if anyone can make barron better , its hudson,, im lookin foreward to seein him in camp,,,compared to seein bobby wonder in space lol
wow- lol saw it commin
just wasnt sure iff hed b traded if any wanted him or hed b cutt,, lol jamarcus you had your chance,,,bye
high five!
hahahaha anyway… corey proctor
by AustonianAggie on May 6, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions
oh my
well i guess next thing is to look for a better center as a bk up i guess … ok jerry hit the market,,, your on a roll ( imagine that) lol
our bust for their bust
not bad; at least their bust has started 50+ games
"What we've got here is failure to communicate"
wonder if jamarcus will get much look by others now?
likely his days of wealth are over in nfl i cant see anyone ever payin him much at this point,, maybe a 2nd or 3rd stringer?
have you seen that guy eat? maybe if he sticks with taco bell.
Don't believe everything you think.
Your causes are cute!!!
And if he stuck to their
“Drive Thru Diet”, he might be able to eat his way back into the league…as a NT.
Rabid and luvin' it
1st over all pick and all that money, and a bust,,,,
lsu must b proud of em lol j/k……he can now soak up the sun on some distant beach and look foreward to misrepresenting himself as somthin in another line of buisness and con big cash and bust there too .
Nate Newton on Free and Barron
DCFanatic has an audio file up with Coop and Nate N with Calvin Watkins talking about the LOT situation, Nate starts out analyzing Free’s game and then the subject moves on to the possible Barron trade:
http://dcfanatic.com/files/1/3/2/0/2/128698-120231/calvin_nate_may6.mp3
Why will we lose?
My first post on here—sort of related, but it’s a question I’ve had for a while—does anyone think we will actually lose, or fail to get to the Superbowl, because of O-line depth? For some reason I have a gut feeling that we will lose (again) for a reason that no one saw coming, like suddenly Witten will suck or Austen won’t catch a pass all season or something. I think it would be cool if someone could actually predict, not an actual record or anything, but what the headlines will be NEXT summer as to why we didn’t make it in 2010. My vote is that it WON’T be offensive line (or penalties).
Hmmm well I can say that it's partially been about the O-line...
the past 4 years so…. yeah I think that if they don’t make the SB, the offensive line will be part of it.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
All anyone can do is predict based on results to date...
WRs / RBs / TEs / QB = among the best “talent” pools in the league.
O-Line = above average, except in several of the most important games in the last 3 years.
O-Line depth = also weakest on the entire team
Defense: Safety is the only area where the starter isn’t a lock… the blame could end up here.
CBs / OLB … these are among the best in the league, so doubtful we’ll be blaming them next off season.
D-Line … solid enough.
ILBs is also looking strong.
come to think of it, I think we may just not be complaining at all next off season :)
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Its always different reasons, but oline is generally one of them.
2009 though, the OL played a large part in 5 of 6 losses – thats a major concern. It was probably the first time since 2006 where we fell apart defensively that we have clear weakness in a certain area.
Witten will never suck, and Austin will be even better in 2010
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
Sometimes people just need a change of scenary.
This guy was a number one pick, which means he had a lot of potential when he was drafted. Who knows why he never lived up to that, but maybe being on a winning team with a new staff around will be all it takes. Love this trade if just for the chance that happens. He probably won’t start this year, but he could be a replacement for one of our older guys next year if he can turn things around.
Anyway
I think Barbie will pay off more to the Rams than Barron to us.
by Cowboysaficionado on May 6, 2010 4:18 PM CDT reply actions
I hope so because if we have to see Barron take the field it will mean someone got hurt.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
and that's fine
if Carpenter excels in a 4-3, more power to him.
I agree... I'd be happy for him.
There’s no room here for him. So any value in trade is a bonus. What he does for the Rams doesn’t affect the Cowboys.
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Two words -- Kirk Scrafford
Around ’95 or so, the 49ers signed a guy off the Bengals roster named Kirk Scrafford. He was considered excess baggage.
He went to San Fran, worked under Bobb McKittrick, who was an excellent OL coach, on a team where he only had to be good and not great, given their quick passing game, and became a rather good left tackle.
He was their best lineman in ’96.
I’m not saying that Barron will be all that, but he’s coming to an offense where he will have talent all around him, where the ball will come out faster, where he will have a much better line coach and where there are no expectations. The Cowboys don’t need him to be anything more than an OT who’s better than Pat McQuistan.
He could be half asleep and surpass that.
by Rafael Vela on May 6, 2010 4:22 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
If the deal gets done
Can we all expect the McQuistan cut to be done like 5 minutes later?
by Cowboysaficionado on May 6, 2010 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions
No,
I’d shop him first.
Seriously. Yeah, it’s doubtful anybody would offer more than a box of socks, but OL are in such demand that somebody might give you something, like…..
TWO boxes of socks.
LOL ... and nice McKittrick story
At the very least, he’s more promising than any other Tackle prospect we have.
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Miami
BP could offer up a 7th
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
hahaah very true
well today is my 1st opportunity to touch base with everyone here , and i might add that ive enjoyed the humore as well as the great insight into various subjects. ive been a longtime fan and decided to get more involved in the blogs. great writers here , like the site, always very informative. so! with that now said,,,, i hope all , will have a great day and lookin foreward to tossin ideas and solutions and laughs in the days ahead…….occ,,,direwolf….and the rest.
I'm with you on this one Raf.
Sometimes all somebody needs is a change of scenery. This guy was a first rounder. He’s been stuck in St. Louis where he doesn’t have any other good O-linemen around him, and isn’t working with one of the best O-line coaches in the league. Let him come here where he is on a winning team, is playing next to good players, and is working with one of the best O-line coaches around. At the absolute worst he is a quality swing tackle, and he has the upside to possibly be more. And if all it costs to get him is Barbie? Count me in.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Hey, sometimes it works
sometimes it doesn’t. See Williams, Roy.
But you’ve nailed it. There’s no risk with this. He cost nothing to obtain.
Ok I just got home and there's waaaaay more comments than I care to read through
If he’s coming here to be a backup I’m ok with it, and if he proves to be the best tackle on the team I suppose I’m OK with him starting too, but according to PFF this guy was ranked 70th in the league last year. I know the Rams are bad and all but 70th is NOT good for a starter at all. Hell, Flo was terrible last season and was still rated 51st.
Let the chips fall where they may
Dude, you missed a great comment earlier
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
Our OL and it depth
What a shock Jerry is now scrambling to try and address the OL problems by making this trade? Lets say for arguements sake that this trade goes through does it still give our OL the much needed replacements on our roster our whole OL is old with the exception of Free. Jerry wanted to put Brewster over as a LT backup after everyone in Dallas was saying last year he would be moved to a guard. Jerry failed with this past draft to address the most obvious need our OL and if we don’t make the playoffs i’m going to say it will be the main reason why.
and making a solid trade in May with a player that would probably get cut in August anyway, who you just majorly upgraded in the draft, isn’t exactly “scrambling”…
it's the effect in search of a cause which puzzles me.
OL is gonna get blamed no matter what.
So if Romo falls off his bike and breaks and ankle and the team goes 9-7 you’re gonna blame it on the O-line?
If Newman gets old and say, Jenkins gets hurt and the secondary leaks badly, you’re gonna blame the o-line?
I was thinking the same
This is the opposite of scrambling. Finding good trade value for a useless ILB to obtain a quality OT who may yet become a starter is one of the better trades I can remember.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
if jerry could have made a feasable move to grab a good linemen, i feel he would have
but given the situation at hand, i feel he made right choices except movin 4 sots to grab lee, i still belive he could have grabbed lee at same spot and still kept our 4th,,but who knows.
The only OL who could have stepped out of the 1st round and into the lineup without question
was Iuputi. Pouncey might have been a second candidate but they didn’t get close to Dallas’ pick. They were long gone by pick 20.
Probably
But Jerry felt he was a mid-first talent and couldn’t wait any longer. I can live with reaching four spots in the second for a player that may carry a 3rd round grade, Just hope Lee never becomes a diamond in the rough like Quincy Carter.
If I remember right the Pats
Took Spikes the ILB from Florida right before what would have been our pick. I think they fear was that they would have grabbed Lee instead if we hadn’t moved up.
I thought the same thing about the Pats...
I remember saying out loud “I bet the Pats wanted the LB that we just took and settled for Spikes instead”. And based off the pics that were put up of Dallas’ draft board, I don’t recall spikes even having a grade near #59 (our original 2nd round pick).
Lee would have been gone if we didn't trade up.
Right after we made the trade the Patriots traded down. They were at 58 we were at 59.
Who did the Patriots take after trading down? Brandon Spikes, the only highly-graded ILB prospect in the draft.
There is no doubt in my mind the Patriots were waiting for Lee to fall to them and then traded down when he didn’t.
by Blue Eyed Devil on May 6, 2010 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
How long is Jerry going to keep not addressing our OL?
Failure maybe that should be applied to the OL in big games, talented did anyone forget the Viking game? It wasn’t only Columbo who liked crap it was the whole line every single one of them. Really how many times if Jerry going to keep addressing the defense and ignoring the OL. Who said Barron rated as the 70th best player at his postion in the league is a solid trade? Jerry has already proven what a idiot he is when it comes to trades please spare me.
for an ILB who was rated 47th out of 54 among ILBs and would probably have gotten cut anyways? I’d call that a solid trade.
Exactly.
Who care’s if Barron isn’t an All Pro. I don’t think anybody is expecting him to come here and be that. He’s depth. And all it costs is Barbie Freaking Carpenter! How is that a bad trade?
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
so what's your plan?
where are these OL who can make you sleep soundly again?
Gaither to LT, Free to RT and Barron as the swing guy would make me feel GREAT.
Then they could trade Colombo. But I don’t expect that to happen, so knowing that Free is going to get the opportunity to start at LT bringing in Barron at swing tackle works for me.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Gaither is gonna cost a fortune, being in the last year of his contract.
You ready to give him big money, long-term? The Ravens aren’t stupid. They shopped him for a reason.
Yeah, I know. Good LTs are expensive, and I'm fine with paying good money for a good one.
I think the reason they’re shopping him is because they don’t want to pay LT money to two guys, and they might be a little concerned about injuries. Ozzie definitely knows what he’s doing, but I would take the chance on him. We could move salary off this year so it wouldn’t affect the cap in the future. But, it doesn’t matter. It’s not happening, they’re hell bent on Free and everybody knows where I stand on that so I won’t get into it. Knowing that this is the case though, I would sleep a little better if we got some quality depth in here at the tackle position, and I think Barron would likely provide that.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Who says Gaither is that good, anyways?
The guy is pretty lazy. IMO he’s not worth franchise LT money.
by Cowboysaficionado on May 6, 2010 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions
According to Pro Football Focus he's the 4th best tackle in the league.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I don't buy that stuff
It also says that Jeff Backus is better than Ryan Clady and Jordan Gross.
by Cowboysaficionado on May 6, 2010 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, the numbers might not be 100% right as far as the rankings go in your mind.
But the bottom line is Jared Gaither is a good LT.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Bottom line is
That Michael Oher should be a Cowboy if Roy had never been born.
by Cowboysaficionado on May 6, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions
It's possible
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
Or maybe we take a WR last year and pass on Dez this year and miss out on years of a Hall of Famer
… yea, I’ve already crowned him :)
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
a players worth will always be valued by the eyes of the beholder
depends on how you view that players ability to fit into your need, scheme, and what it takes to get emdraft, fa or trade, its all in the eyes of the beholder. he might b great in one system but not so great in another. besides gaether may cost alot and like barron , who knows how he will exactly fit or do here .
That's the risk you take with everybody.
besides gaether may cost alot and like barron , who knows how he will exactly fit or do here .
Look no further than Roy Williams. Every trade, draft pick, and free agent signing is a gamble. That’s football.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
That site has Adrian Peterson
ranked 33 for halfbacks.. Give me a break.
by NerdVernacular on May 6, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions
adrian peterson
was a fumble machine last year. Given the way they penalize turnovers/penalties, that makes sense.
Seriously, Peterson was a disaster.
Yeah, he's a monster but when you factor in the fumbles he was pretty bad.
So I could see that. Not saying I agree but I could see that ranking.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
The reason is a guy named....
….Michael Oher. Perhaps they understand that having two good LTs is a luxury and hoping to get some value in return.
amen ! scott
just think if hudson can make him better, then this trade has the posibility if bein great,, yess?
For the most part we were injury free on the OL last year but lets cross our fingers and hope we stay like that again this year too.The point being is what wxactly is Jerry’s plan to upgrade and get younger players on OL who are better than what we have already. Right now we only have Free we still don’t know what we have in Brewster. As for Gaither why isn’t jerry calling the Ravens about him and what their asking price is for him.
well...
I think its pretty clear. Unless by some chance somebody really good fell with in range (I argue we should’ve considered trading up for Bulaga, but he was the only guy that made sense) then Jerry will go the FA/trade route. If Dez was gone and Bulaga on board at 24, I think we would’ve absolutely traded for him.
I mean think about it. We just got an OL for Bobby Carpenter who will in all likelihood be better than anyone we could’ve drafted. Its not a terrible strategy , going with proven talent over potential. And its worked for us in the past.
and this time last year we had no idea what we had in Free
and were saying exactly the same thing. but he turned out to be a quality starting ROT for a good chunk of the season, and earned the starting job at LOT based on his development.
So while I’d certainly be glad to continue to upgrade thru FA/trade if the opportunity is there, I say give Brewster and Young a chance to work with Hud and Juraszek and see they can develop into.
And then make it a high priority for the draft next year.
Since you're new
I’m gonna give you a tip. Click reply when you want to reply to some post. Your posts are getting kindda confusing out of order like that.
by Cowboysaficionado on May 6, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I like it a lot
Cowboys shouldn’t miss Bobby Carpenter too much.
Before you ask why I'm a fan of both the Cowboys and Jets, I'll just say the answer is complicated and that it just turned out that way.
Blow the Mavs up, please, Mark Cuban!
Fixed.
Cowboys shouldn’t won’t miss Bobby Barbie Carpenter too much at all.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
Its a good win/win situation
they drafted LT in Saffold at pick # 33, already have Jason Smith and probably don’t want to hassle w/ demoting Barren so they ship him off to clear potential locker room trouble (w/ him griping) and get a 4-3 OLB that could help them in the LB core.
We get a swing tackle that has a lot of experience and clears some depth issues while getting rid of a guy that could become a stop gap (a not very good one) so that our 2 young ILBs get more reps in TC as well as get into the game.
In both cases most likely the player would get cut yet both teams get something for them, its a win/win
by nicholas.rodriguez on May 6, 2010 5:58 PM CDT reply actions
Pray Barron comes in and kicks butt
that would move Free to left guard! Free would be a beast at left guard in my opinion. He would have many more down filed blocking assignments and he can lay the wood in the secondary.
Good deal for everybody involved
Good for Cowboys. Good for Rams. Good for Barron. And Good for Carpenter. Carp may not make the Probowl but he will be a force on the outside in a 4-3.
I like that we have somebody who is capable of competing with Free and backing up both tackle positions. But I wish we would develop talented young linemen internally – and by talented, I don’t mean the likes of Brewster, Young, McQuistan.
This trade is what the doctor ordered!
Carpenter will have a real tough time making the final cut this season, with the addition of Sean Lee and Jason Williams still in the fold as a future starter. Barron hasn’t played well since he was drafted, but has starting experience at both Tackle positions. Right now he is a big upgrade over the likes of McQuistan & Brewster. Barron is a low cost investment, that instantly improves our depth and could possiblly turn around his career with a change of scenery, working under our OL coach.
even though it is a good deal for us
I think it is a better deal for STL. Carp can be a starter in a 4-3 defense; Barron will only be a good veteran backup for us.
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
At least we got SOMETHING.
I saw Barbie on the outside looking in anyways so I’m glad they didn’t just wait for the cut.
Semper Fi Do or Die
sweet!
alright. Now on to improving the depth at guard. Maybe some team would want to do a McQuistan for guard swap?or that crayton for smiley deal would be nice too.
I think that has already been done
with the Holland resigning. I wouldn’t expect them to pull off any more moves to solidify the Oline.
by Cowboysaficionado on May 6, 2010 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless someone else gets cut that appeals more...
or Dallas could get smiley for crayton
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
Boyzfan94-"And where was it said we were attempting to trade Carpenter? It certainly wasn’t last year and there wasn’t anything to prove that he was this year. Carpenter will be the backup to Brookings again this year hate to tell you because neither Williams or Lee are ready for that role."
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I don't think we're getting Atogwe either.
by Cowboysaficionado on May 6, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Jerry Hasn't Been Very Receptive to Atogwe In the Media
I think he’s learned a valuable lesson about overpaying veteran players at skill positions from the Roy Williams debacle. And the other Roy Williams debacle. And the Mike Hamlin debacle. And the…
On second thought, maybe I’m wrong?
by Blue Eyed Devil on May 6, 2010 11:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Ken Hamlin
Mike is supposed to be the good one.
by Cowboysaficionado on May 7, 2010 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions
lo lmike is the good guy....
woman, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart! lol
I think Barron will be happy to be on the same side as D-Ware this time around...
Anybody remember this play?
what are you talking about? he'll be getting fried 5 days a week in practice, and overtime in training camp :)
:)
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
Bobby Carpenter trade for the "False start machine"
If the Boys are going to trade BC they should trade him to Cincinnati for Andre Smith. The Big guy was a beast at Alabama. And the Boys don’t need another false start artist.
There is not a single chance in hell that that would happen
Bobby Carpenter isn’t exactly great trade bait, and I don’t see the Bengals giving up their second-year first round OT. If these sorts of trades are possible then I want Michael Oher for Sam Hurd and Troy Palamalu for Marcus Spears.
by JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoo on May 6, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
ROFL
What a dreamer, dude. I want to trade Patrick Crayton for Darrelle Revis.
Like the Bengals would need to solidify their already great LB corps with BARBIE. lol
by Cowboysaficionado on May 6, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
.....
Yeah most teams trade first rounders that were good 2 years later.
What is this DC.com?
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
Boyzfan94-"And where was it said we were attempting to trade Carpenter? It certainly wasn’t last year and there wasn’t anything to prove that he was this year. Carpenter will be the backup to Brookings again this year hate to tell you because neither Williams or Lee are ready for that role."
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice sig...
You could also add in there where I said I would be all for a trade to benifit the team…It’s all good. Carpenter will do real good under Spagnola’s defense. Barron sucks by the way, but I guess he is an upgrade over Brewster and Mcquistan.
"First rounders need to be starters" Jerry Jones.
Just a dedication for the week.
One sucky player for another I guess.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
Boyzfan94-"And where was it said we were attempting to trade Carpenter? It certainly wasn’t last year and there wasn’t anything to prove that he was this year. Carpenter will be the backup to Brookings again this year hate to tell you because neither Williams or Lee are ready for that role."
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 6, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I will go out and say Carpenter will do better with the Rams than Barron will for us...
Barron is a lazy sac who is a career backup at this point…
"First rounders need to be starters" Jerry Jones.
thats not really going out on a limb
I said in a previous post that scenario wouldn’t surprise me at all. I’ve been saying for years Carp is really a 4-3 OLB, not 3-4 LB.
In Romo we Trust
That's debatable....Under Spagnola Carpenter is going to do very well over there...
"First rounders need to be starters" Jerry Jones.
He can play both...he is that versitale...
Wade has no loyalty to him. That was Parcells pick. If Carpenter blows is up in St. Louis than I will most certainly agree with you that he was better suited to play in a 4-3 system..
"First rounders need to be starters" Jerry Jones.
why all the hate for Brewster? He's yet to take a snap
Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)
I like how you try to cover every base so you basiclly are never wrong...
Is it really that hard for you to say, “I was wrong on this one.”?
I mean you brag about your predictions, but its not like most of them are that far fetched.
“I told you Jerry wouldn’t pick an offensive lineman with the first pick.”
Well if the roles were reversed and Bryant went higher and Iupati dropped, Dallas would have him, thats where they had him ranked.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 7, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions
lupati was never dropping out of the top 20...give me a break...
Everyone knows if Jerry didn’t draft Dez he was trading out of the first round. How long have you been following the Cowboys? Since when does Jerry draft lineman in the first round.?? never….a freaking blind man knew it wasn’t going to happent this year either….Jerry is so predictable..Everyone knew Jerry wanted to make a spash. You and everyone shouldve known it wasn’t going to be a boring pick like a lineman. Jerry wants immediate contributors with his first round picks, not backups.
"First rounders need to be starters" Jerry Jones.
you have to look at the other factors as well...
WR postion on this team had alot of question marks despite what many thought. RW is one of them….Crayton is on the wrong side of 30, doesn’t bring much on special teams and to be honest is nothing special. I love me some Ogletree, but he is still a work in progress..Hurd, good special teamer, but basically a younger version of Crayton. Austin was the true WR playmaking WR we had and he is a RFA. Jerry was looking for another playmaker WR and who can also be dangerous on punt returns. I think this was also insurance in case RW was cut next year.
There is always value in the later rounds for OL. I thought maybe second or third round, but Jerry through everyone for a loop with the Lee pick, but not really surprising if you think about it considering both James and especially Brookings are getting old..
"First rounders need to be starters" Jerry Jones.
Yeah...Im not sure about that one...
Dez was a top 5 talent…lupati wasn’t…..Don’t kid yourself, Jerry was targeting Dez the whole time..I just don’t think he thought he would fall to him like he did…
"First rounders need to be starters" Jerry Jones.
Cool....
You go off of assumption where I’ll go off of things that he actually said.
Three players, Iupati, Bryant, and Thomas were who he wanted.
Maybe not in that order, I don’t know, but Jones said that those were the three guys they were willing to trade up for. Bryant fell, I’m happy, but if it was Thomas or Iupati that had gotten there… I think he would have pulled the trigger.
Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.
Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.
by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 7, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Correct, he did say he was interested in all three, but im putting money on that Dez was the top player on that list
followed by Thomas then Iupati…I would’ve had no problem Jerry moving up to around 19 or 20 for Thomas, but I would’ve had a serious problem if he did for Iupati. I just dont think he is that good and from what they said on Sirus Radio the other day he isn’t expected to start for the niners.
"First rounders need to be starters" Jerry Jones.
Yeah! And maybe we can trade Brad Johnson for Peyton Manning too!
Be real man. We’re trading Bobby f*ing Carpenter here. This guy has a bigger highlight reel of failures than a BP oil rig.
The fact we can get anything for him is amazing.
by Blue Eyed Devil on May 6, 2010 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Why the hell would Cincy make that trade?
Seriously.
Pitching coach Mike Maddux on Darren Oliver’s 0.00 ERA this spring:
"Economical work. He ain’t getting paid by the hour."
I know it's early
but I can’t even believe this trade is real. I know Barron isn’t a top-notch LT but he’s decent and a proven starter. That equals a great depth addition for the O-line and even a conceivable replacement for Columbo if everything goes very well. Who knows. At the least, it’s much better than Barbie.
by JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoo on May 6, 2010 9:29 PM CDT reply actions
Love it!
Now go get the Miami deal done and suddenly the OL situation is looking much better.
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my oppolgy
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over 400 posts?
Is there a game on? or maybe, The Draft?
heheh been some hot topics in here earlier......
was tryin to keep up with 3 diff ones at a time ,,,tough goin earlier lol
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well.. this ole codger is out for the night,,,,be well Bad Knees
catch yall on the / side….waves
woman, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart! lol
A lot of new members all of the sudden
Welcome to BTB, I can only assume the Alex Barron fan club is directing traffic on to the site.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
Barron von Falschstadt
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
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quoting Lawrence Taylor today when he left the court room.
Taylor should have been in PA
The statutory age here is 16, he would have been safe.
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