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Wade Takes More Youngster-Allergy Pills. Will the Cowboys Again Get Healthier?

Wade Phillips is allergic to rookie and young players.  At least he had been on his prior stops on the coaching circuit.  In 2007 he played a pat hand, playing the team Bill Parcells handed to him, with one exception, where Wade got older -- swapping out ILB Akin Ayodele for Zach Thomas.

The old dog has learned to love young puppies since that veteran squad let him down in '07 and again in '08.  He's been far more willing to act like Jimmy Johnson and give kids vital roles in his game plans. The anticipated trade of Bobby Carpenter says that Wade is again willing to trust rookies has he did in '08 and especially in '09.  If the newbies produce in the same way those two crops played, Dallas should see more improvement.

In '08 Orlando Scandrick became the team's nickel back as a rookie.  Felix Jones and Tashard Choice got significant playing time and made important contributions.  Martellus Bennett picked his spots, but he also sprinkled big plays into the offense's batter.

Last year, Wade went young in a big way.  Second-year corner Mike Jenkins, whose most memorable rookie play saw him ole-ing a Giants runner into the end zone, was nontheless handed the right corner spot over Anthony Henry and by season's end, Jenkins was playing at a Pro Bowl level.

Star-divide

Third-year man Anthony Spencer was promoted to starting left outside linebacker after Greg Ellis was released.  This caused some concern among the fans, because Ellis had bagged eight quarterbacks in 2008 while Spencer had just 1.5 sacks.  Spencer's early struggles in the rush department caused more teeth gnashing, but his powerful stretch run -- six sacks in Dallas' last six games, validated Phillips gamble. 

On offense, 6th-rounder John Phillips earned heavy reps as the team's F-back after Deon Anderson was injured and he remained in the lineup after Anderson returned.  The rookie was an effective lead blocker and showed some receiving skill.  Phillips fellow UVAer Kevin Ogletree also earned more playing time as the season progressed and produced when his number was called.

Carpenter's trade leaves the Cowboys without a nickel linebacker.  His departure means the team is either ready to insert 2nd-year man Jason Williams, or given heavy duty to rookie 2nd rounder Sean Lee -- or both. 

Dallas has done nothing with unsettled nickel receiver Patrick Crayton, but the team's giddiness over top pick Dez Bryant hints that he'll see heavy duty as well.  Be open to a late or UFA surprise, who gets on the field early.  One always does.

Trusting kids was vital to Jimmy Johnson's quick overhaul in the '90s.  His Cowboys were the youngest team in the league when they won their first title in January '93.  Phillips is learning the benefits of a few good young men.  As his youth allergy wears off, his team's health continues to improve.

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Nice article, Raf

One minor edit. Phillips was a 6th rounder, not a 7th.

by Ridgelake on May 8, 2010 9:43 AM CDT reply actions  

depth

lotta a depth building going on these days for the cowboys.
very encouraging.

by burningstarIV on May 8, 2010 9:56 AM CDT reply actions  

JJ was playing with a different deck.

I think this is the natural progression. Wade has been here for 3 years. The vets know his system and their roles as well as many other roles.
A younger player is surrounded by many guys who are now able to help him on the field with assignments and reads presnap. Its also good because every year you can bring in a few younger players constantly turning over older and fading players. It why the Pitts, Indys, Pats, of the league stay consistently good.
With Brooking, Brady, Ware, Rat, Spencer, on the field at any given time, guys like Williams and Lee will be able to thrive and mental errors can sometimes be hid.
I am thrilled JJ reconized setting up a system where Scouts know what type of players to look for. Young players come though the ranks faster with Veterans as coaches on the field. Not to mention the speed and quickness the youth provide for the Vets.

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on May 8, 2010 9:57 AM CDT reply actions  

compare what is going on here

to what the Redskins are doing, force feeding old guys — McNabb, Larry Johnson, Willie Parker.

by Rafael Vela on May 8, 2010 10:01 AM CDT reply actions  

yea, not only a risk, but also delaying the development of their younger talent

When you look at the rookies that missed significant playing time last year, it’s hard not get downright giddy about the future of this squad. Consider some of the younger question marks, and then consider if even HALF of these guys emerge as contributers this year and/or in the future:

Brewster / Bright = If we get one interior starter out of these two, our line gets significantly younger and this year’s depth issues at O-Line start to evaporate.

Williams / Lee = If the coaches were right in their grading of Lee, we’re set for years.

AOA / Ball = AOA gets some time to adjust, Ball has proven he capable if not brilliant. But again, if either one plays very well this year, another weak link disappears.

Ogletree / Dez = These two could easily be the future at WR, but with Austin, we only need one to shine this year. Both have already impressed, and it’s hard not to be optimistic about their futures.

O-Line / ILB / Safety / WR … young talent abounds at the spots that concerned us most!!!

Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)

by DalaiLuke on May 8, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Raf....

if this was 2005, Washington would have a mean fantasy football squad.

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 8, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

not really

Johnson, Parker and Portis wont get enough touches each for all of them to make a big impact, even at their best

by Sean N on May 8, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

joking

Just saying in 2005 they were all pretty badass, so was McNabb, and that was Santanna Moss’s breakout year.

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 8, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Could Free be this year's Spencer?

People weren’t happy when we let Greg Ellis go, but that worked out well. Youth movement.

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by Wmillion on May 8, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was!

Let the chips fall where they may

by sublimezg on May 8, 2010 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me too!!

I went on to post Ellis would have more sacks the 1st half of the year and Spencer would have the more the second half of the year. got that too.

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on May 8, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think most people were unhappy with the move because of the lack of depth, not because of Spencer.

by Baked Potato Soup on May 8, 2010 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on May 9, 2010 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Victor Butler had his moments but we could always use more pass rushers

by Antonio S on May 10, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Victor Butler, Brandon Williams, Steve Octavian

I think we’re absolutely fine at linebacker.

It would be terrible to see Ware or Spencer go down, they’re irreplaceable. But if we need someone to step up, we’ve definately got the guys to do it.

Don’t worry about OLB. That’s the most stacked position on this team IMHO.

by Blue Eyed Devil on May 10, 2010 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

But it's not always that way with old guys

New Orleans did pretty well with the 2nd oldest roster in the league. I think the difference is NO’s defense is made up of a bunch of old lunchpail-type guys. The Redskins have lots of over-the-hill superstars.

by JimmyJohnson on May 9, 2010 6:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good stuff

I really hope Crayton sticks around. I wasn’t a fan of him starting, but I think he can be an outstanding 3rd WR. I know I’m making a huge assumption that Dez eventually starts, but I think Crayton can be our trusty 3rd reliable veteran WR ala Kelvin Martin in the early 90s. As much as I want to see Roy Williams succeed, I just don’t see a place for him with Ogletree maybe getting a deeper look this year. Maybe he’ll improve after a full year with Garrett and Romo, who knows.

by selke99 on May 8, 2010 10:06 AM CDT reply actions  

The real shame for Crayton

would be if RW winds up leaving after another sub-par year, we’ll wish we kept him.

Along with the youth movement and another Jimmy J trait – is how much speed we have across the board. Bill P’s teams were agonizingly lead-footed with the exception of T Glenn.

I'm not losing my memory, I'm living in the now

by tdships on May 8, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Crayton

He might be a little upset, but there is really no reason to let him go. Versatile and durable.

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by Wmillion on May 8, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like Crayton

As some people have already said in this blog, he is a master in finding open spaces particularly on Romo’s jailbreak situations.

But honestly, if the coaches are positive that Ogletree can be a good receiver I’d rather give him a chance. And it’s not just him, it looks like Manny Johnson is really improving as well.

by Cowboysaficionado on May 8, 2010 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

SPEED AND QUICKNESS

Why do i look at Popivich with a arm around a player talking with 2 minutes left, and get jealous?
by semsemma on Mar 10, 2010 8:00 PM PST

by Rohpuri on May 8, 2010 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is there really any doubt?
if RW winds up leaving after another sub-par year

Give them the same number of snaps and I promise you Crayton, Bryant, and Ogletree would all be more productive. RW is the guy to get off the roster, not Crayton

by StillHateTheGiants on May 9, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

Does anyone know much about Travis Bright?

I know that the coaching staff likes him, but I don’t know much about him.

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 8, 2010 10:14 AM CDT reply actions  

I think they know something we dont. I have a feeling he is the reason some of the

urgency of taking a lineman wasnt there. I think they feel they have something there. Brewster too.
Brewster of course never praticed but I think they got too work him out and work on his footwork and technique.
Yes I have my homer goggles on high today. Its may and Im feeling optimistic about Lee, Dez, and a few of our younger guys taking another step forward.

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on May 8, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Mormon

Big strong kid; went on mission – thus older than most second or third year guys is an overachiever with key attribute being his strength and maturity.

by Iowacowboy on May 8, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm a nutty

I don’t know why but I always thought Bright was black. But the moment you said mormon I went to look it up lol

by Cowboysaficionado on May 8, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very strong, high character dude.

From nfldraftscout.com.

Positives: Naturally large man with little extra weight around the middle. … At least adequate initial quickness off the snap. … Good initial punch to stun the defender and can latch on to sustain. … Powerful run blocker; can generate movement. … Aggressive and looks to help teammates if he’s not covered and will pancake unsuspecting defenders. … Rare weight-room strength; 540-pound bench press. … Team captain.
Negatives: Lacks the athleticism to block on the move. … Lumbers off the line of scrimmage and struggles to break down and hit the moving target. … Plays high, negating his strength as a pass blocker. … Relies on his strength and size as a pass blocker and struggles to recover if beaten initially with quickness.

From NFL.com

The BYU offense […] had the components to be one of the nation’s elite inside running teams. Much of the credit is due right guard Travis Bright. Bright has the lateral quickness to hold up in the passing game, but his size and explosive upper-body strength are the characteristics that intrigue NFL scouts.

by One.Cool.Customer on May 8, 2010 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

What is the general line of thought when cutting a player

if you wish to slip him to your practice squad? If they really like the guy why would they take a chance by cutting him?

by Cowboysaficionado on May 8, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

they still like the guy

unfortunately, they liked 53 other players more. Also its a game with other teams… you try to slip people on there you think other teams are least likely to steal

by mahuebel on May 8, 2010 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

"Naturally large man with little extra weight around the middle"

I am pleased to see that in some quarters that is considered a “positive.”

by DavidH22 on May 8, 2010 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

LMAO @ DavidH22!!!

Is playing smart too much to ask?

by silverblue5 on May 9, 2010 7:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

thanks for the scouting report

… I’m also hoping you guys are able to dig up some scuttlebutt on what’s being said in recent months about his development and potential to make the 53.

Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)

by DalaiLuke on May 8, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just that...

they were giving him and a couple of the new UDFA’s some reps at Center during the camps.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on May 8, 2010 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bright is probably the strongest man on the Dallas team. He recorded a team bench press record of 540 lbs. and a team hang clean record of 434 lbs.

In practice, McGee has been seen taking snaps from him on a somewhat regular basis each week. There’s not much info available on him, but the consensus seems to be that the coaches and his teammates like the guy a lot.

My guess is he’ll most likely compete with Procter for a spot on the 53 man roster.

by One.Cool.Customer on May 9, 2010 2:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

They should arm wrestle for the spot

Just don’t let them settle it with a head to head drum-off.

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on May 9, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

The other difference with JJ of the early 90's was clear

It was an aged team that couldn’t win. JJ took over the worst team in football. It’s kind of hard to believe that happened under Landry’s watch. The Cowboys also had a revolving door with Plan B free agents back then. But they probably had a three year span with more quality draft picks than any team in history. JJ had no choice. He had to play the young guys because if you’re going to lose anyway you may as well get the kids experience.

Wade getting young players on the field is a function of them not doing worse than the serviceable veterens they are replacing. Last year in training camp Jenkins and Scandrick were both on fire. Our biggest need was a backup QB. There was really no choice there. However, if Lee struggles in camp and preseason he won’t see the light of day. Williams has already shown he can play well in camp. I expect Williams to be a beast in camp this year. This Church kid could could really throw a monkey wrench in the plan.

In the final analysis, however, I am on board with this youth movement only because the youth has talent. I really like the way the Jerry, Wade, Cieskowski team has been handling their business the last few years.

When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.

by White Wolf on May 8, 2010 10:33 AM CDT reply actions  

agree on all of it ... they've done a great job

and this year looks like another winner :)

Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)

by DalaiLuke on May 8, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm confused
This Church kid could could really throw a monkey wrench in the plan.

Who are you talking about?

by Cowboysaficionado on May 8, 2010 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Barry Church

undrafted free agent safety from Toledo. He looked good at the rookie mini camp.

by Sean N on May 8, 2010 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

The plan to have Ball play safety until the Ansah is ready.

That’s how I read it anyway.

"We'll see." --Bill Parcells

by Uncle Angus on May 8, 2010 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

Probably a poor choice of words. I like monkey wrenches.

When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.

by White Wolf on May 8, 2010 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, me too.

I like monkeys and wrenches, too.

Hayduke lives!

"We'll see." --Bill Parcells

by Uncle Angus on May 9, 2010 7:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah that makes sense now

But thinking about it. If all guys turn out to be at least serviceable we would have quite the logjam at the Safety positions. Sensabaugh, Ball, AOA, Mike Hamlin ( who btw says the coaches told him he will be a FS this year ), Church.

by Cowboysaficionado on May 8, 2010 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Church

. . . is a football player, tough . . . but a tad slow.

by Iowacowboy on May 8, 2010 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well looks like Dallas got a little break in their schedule.

Brian Cushing is suspended the first four games. So that will definitly weaken Houston’s run defense quite a bit.

If you look at Cushing though… is anyone really suprised he got suspended for steroids? The dude looks like Steve Lattimer from the Program.

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 8, 2010 10:41 AM CDT reply actions  

When I first heard

That was my first thought, too…just how I am not surprised at all.

by illcowboy on May 8, 2010 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's the NFL

I’m sure at least half the league has used steroids in the last 12 months.

Steroids are everywhere in the NFL, the league just pays lip service to it to keep the media off their back.

And that’s how it should be, steroids aren’t a terrible thing.

by Blue Eyed Devil on May 8, 2010 11:53 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

?

I doubt half of the league uses them. Do they use them? Sure, you would have to be in denial to not think that, but the NFL also has pretty strict policies on drug testing.

Steroids are illegal, even if you don’t think it’s a “terrible thing.” I don’t think pot is a “terrible thing” either but the legal system says no.

If I’m going to suspend a guy for smoking a joint, I’m definitly going to suspend him for taking something illegal AND something that can be considered a performance enhancer.

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 8, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

The problem is that the leagues don't suspend everybody

I hate the fact that I have to admire a player without knowing if he’s truly a cheater or not.

Like the stupid Mitchell Report with the MLB. They know 100 players that cheated and they won’t reveal their freaking names.

I don’t care if they’re the biggest stars in the game. They should either suspend everybody or no one.

by Cowboysaficionado on May 8, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha.

Not particularly, but I’m definitly not against it.

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 9, 2010 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Air Force

is against it :)

So is the Army, that and the whole legal thing is why I don’t partake.

by Travlr on May 9, 2010 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I just never had a use for it.

Alcohol messes me up enough as it is.LOL

And yes, the legal issues are something I’m glad I didn’t mess with.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on May 9, 2010 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Off subject, but

did anyone see the Dallas Morning News headline quoting Miles Austin this morning? What a bunch of crap the DMN writers pulled on that one. The headlines reads “Miles Austin on Donovan McNabb: Eagles Are Losing Their Queen.”

When you read the article Miles Austin basically says that the Eagles losing McNabb is like losing your queen when you’re playing chess.

I get so sick of the DMN writers creating controversy in any way they can instead of just reporting. Their readership has to be way down or something for them to continuously pull that crap.

Sorry for the rant, but get real…

Scott in Austin

by scottc12345 on May 8, 2010 11:03 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Yup

Just another example of the media trying to cause a stir to get people reading their crap. I saw the interview well before I saw that article and didn’t even put the two together until I opened it. That’s how twisted they made it sound. As soon as I recognized it I stopped reading. Just lame..

Let the chips fall where they may

by sublimezg on May 8, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

must admit that's a funny title

actually i would like someone sayin that, it’s a kinda ochocinco, joey porter comment
marty b should say that, he’s funny

by ratware on May 8, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

And Miles specifically says

" Not to say that Donovan is a queen or anything like that ". DMN crap writers persuade people to read their crap with controversive tittles. And those blog entries generally don’t give any information at all. It’s complete garbage.

by Cowboysaficionado on May 8, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Newspapers are dying fast

So they have to do something to stir up an extra few out of the rack — off of the street corner buyers to survive another few desperate months

by Travlr on May 9, 2010 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wade. Jerry. Ciskowski.

Whoever’s responsible— and I guess all three have to be on the same page for progress to occur— but this is how it should be. Big Bill gave credit to Coach Landry for tipping him off. “You know what you’ve got after a guy’s third year.”

Players that are on the verge of dropping off, players that are marginal after three years—these need to be re-stocked. It doesn’t take four years to become a nickel LB.

I like your analysis of this infusion of youth. Sometimes a cagey veteran can hang with younger, faster guys, or make up for a lost step with experience, but overall you have to stay young. JJ had to re-stock Cowboys aging roster because Tom Landry became too attached to his veterans as he himself got a little older. Jerry, too, a little bit in late 90s.

Looks like Jerry’s learned his lesson, Ciskowski’s finding players, and Wade’s gettin’ em on the field.

"We'll see." --Bill Parcells

by Uncle Angus on May 8, 2010 11:48 AM CDT reply actions  

Wade is probably trusting his scouts more too

They’re finding guys all up and down the draft, and even behind it, who are coming in and contributing.

by THEjarhead on May 8, 2010 11:50 AM CDT reply actions  

Both his coaches and scouts

I liked seeing the video of Wade talking to the rookie class where he tells them that we have the best coaching staff in the league. True or not, at least it shows he’s confident in their coaching ability.

Let the chips fall where they may

by sublimezg on May 8, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

So much of being a good head coach is the coaches around you… and so much of their work is done off-season. Working on technique, schemes, reads, conditioning … it’s what separates the good coaches from the great. You can see it in the development of guys like Spencer.

Wade seems to have assembled a solid crew … Joe D, Campo, Houck are my favorites. Wait, maybe this scouting dept. should be my favorites!

Just as Jerry should get credit for the talent coming in (if it wasn’t him, it is guys he’s hired), Wade also should be measured by the sum total of the coaching staff … it’s a team effort.

Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)

by DalaiLuke on May 8, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

As you were speaking about Wade and his accomplishments

I had this vision of him winning a Super Bowl, and gaining the respect of the football world. Up until now, I wouldn’t say he’s been the Rodney Dangerfield of football, but he has taken a lot of flak. From the media, from fans. Through it all he has kept his mouth closed, and his head down. This team really is starting to reflect his philosophy. Jerry really likes Wade. Wade could end up staying in Dallas a very long time. He just needs to get over the hump and win the big one. If Lee is a player, and if Dez is the Killer we think he is, this team could really make a huge jump this year. It hinges on many things, as it always does, but at least we have a chance to say it hinges.

When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.

by White Wolf on May 8, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

And if he does win it all...

nobody can say he did it using Parcell’s team. I think he’s made enough changes personnel and scheme-wise to kill that talk.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on May 8, 2010 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was one of the guys giving BP some credit for 13-3

… but I totally agree that this is now Wade’s team.

His style is almost the direct opposite of Parcells, and the team was already tiring of Parcells’ heavy-handed style. I like the way Wade nurtures leadership around him by not always needing/seeking the spotlight himself. It allows guys like Joe D and Campo to have a voice, as well as creating better leaders among the players.

Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)

by DalaiLuke on May 8, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I started counting up players remaining last night.

And the majority of players on the team were acquired after BP left. 4 starters remain on D. Newman, Ware, James, and Rat. They remain because they played well, but James is on his way out soon, and Newman, while getting up there in football years, still plays at a high level.

On offense a few still remain. Romo, Columbo, Kosier, Crayton, and Barber. I don’t count Gurode, because he was drafted before Parcells came. Of course there’s a few more with back ups and ST, but the Parcells guys are getting thin.

When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.

by White Wolf on May 9, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Forgot Witten and Anderson.

When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.

by White Wolf on May 9, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah.

Parcells crown Jewell perfect 3-4 DE. I was too lazy to actually go look at a roster.

When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.

by White Wolf on May 9, 2010 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, the Jerry starters...

Felix, Miles, kept by Parcells, but developed under Wade. RW, eh, he could be good if he really wanted to, but Dez, yeah baby. Free, Choice, MartyB, Phillips, Bigg.

On D, Jenkins, Scandrick, Brooking, (with Lee and Williams waiting in the wings) Sensabaugh, and a new safety (pick em), Igor, and Spencer.

And let’s not forget, had Jerry not stopped Parcells, he would have taken Spears with the 11th pick, and Ware would be somewhere else. Let’s also acknowlege right now that Killer is 100% Jerry.

When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.

by White Wolf on May 9, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come to think of it

I’m just going to go ahead and give Jerry credit for Ware. We wouldn’t have him if it weren’t for Jerry.

When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.

by White Wolf on May 9, 2010 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Coach Phillips and respect

is there any other head coach in the league who is constantly referred to by his first name only?

Here’s a fun but non-representative sample. I did a search on each NFC-East teams’ SB Nation site for the head coaches first and last names in the comments section.

BTB: Wade: 8,939 — Phillips: 3,461
BGN: Andy: 4,812 - Reid: 5,056
BBV: Tom: 559 -
Coughlin: 1,401
HH: Mike: 989 — Shanahan: 1,633

by One.Cool.Customer on May 9, 2010 2:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

The only coach that comes to mind is Bill Belichick

In part it has to do with the name itself. Wade is more distinctive than Phillips. And Belichick is not easy to say …

I did a search on the Patriots website, and found:

Bill = 1535
Belichick = 1523

… now, statistics being what they are, I don’t have to admit the faults of hits on Buffalo BILLs, BILL O’Brien, etc…

Final thought: Dean Smith was one of the most respected men in the state of North Carolina, in college basketball circles, etc… and he has always been known by his distinctive first name. Hell, they’ve even coined their new bball stadium the “Dean
Dome” :)

Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)

by DalaiLuke on May 9, 2010 3:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

oops, forgot one key stat:

Belicheat: 10 comments
cheat: 229 comments on NE’s site

Try not to get into a pissing match with a skunk :)

by DalaiLuke on May 9, 2010 3:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL.

When the history of the this Patriots dynasty is written, I think it will show that they never won the big one again after they were caught cheating.

When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.

by White Wolf on May 9, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting.

His daddy was mainly called “Bum” as well. Don’t remember hearing many people call him “Coach Phillips”.

"We'll see." --Bill Parcells

by Uncle Angus on May 9, 2010 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

I doubt it bothers him at all

I would be very surprised if the fact he’s referred to by his first name has even crossed his mind.

by StillHateTheGiants on May 9, 2010 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Despite all the flak he catches for being Jerry's puppet coach

Wade is slowly and surely putting his mark on the Cowboys. On offense, I do feel that he has the benefit of playing with a superb crowd of playmakers and a still improving offensive coach in Garrett.

But really his best work is getting a talent-heavy defensive roster playing his way to success. It helps tremendously when Jerry gets the type of players that Wade wants in the draft, such as Lee, or in free agency, such as Sensabaugh.

And it’s a lot easier to start working in rookies when you can set the appropriate expectations for them and put them in the appropriate situations to succeed. This only happens when the players buy into your system as coach.

I, for one, am very excited by the youth movement at the Cowboys. It really underscores the positive drafting and coaching over the past few years.

Movie Reference

by accidental innuendo on May 8, 2010 1:33 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 8, 2010 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good points all,

but especially here

And it’s a lot easier to start working in rookies when you can set the appropriate expectations for them and put them in the appropriate situations to succeed. This only happens when the players buy into your system as coach.

When you have your solid veterans setting the example and showing the way, you can have younger players out there in a few spots each year.

"We'll see." --Bill Parcells

by Uncle Angus on May 8, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

Younger + more talented = good things ahead

If you are able to improve your talent level while getting younger, you’re making your team better and building for the future at the same time. Sounds simple, right? But it isn’t.

Some teams teams become victims of the aging process by holding on to their veteran players too long (hellooo late ‘90s Cowboys), some by failing to rejuvenate their roster through the draft (hellooo early ’00s Cowboys). Obviously you don’t want to get too young. If you get too young, you don’t have enough veterans and you don’t have enough leadership.

The Cowboys seem to have found the right balance. Little know fact: In Tashard Choice, Sean Lee, Anthony Spencer and perhaps even John Phillips, the Cowboys may have already found their leaders of the future – all of them served as team captains on their college teams.

by One.Cool.Customer on May 8, 2010 1:51 PM CDT reply actions  

just wish all this youth movement....

would have started years back, with the same intellect and better drafting…..w/o goin into a long deliberation on how we lost 3 no 1s on busts,,,surely would have quickened, hopefully this renewal of talent, not to mentionpossibly less moves to strengthen the o-line.

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on May 8, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

The first thing you have to do is set up your system and get it taught as quickly as possible.

That means bringing in old guys from your previous stops. Guys who know the system and can teach it. BP caught flak for his guys but the truth of the matter is everyone does if they have had a previous stop.

Once you have your system established you can play a rookie/2nd year guy and not have as many sleepless nights. We are there.

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on May 8, 2010 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bingo

This is why coaches begin their reigns by bringing in a core group of seemingly over-the-hill vets. Their value is not just limited to their on-field contributions, but also their ability to sell the system to the other players and become a locker room presence that has the ear of the coach.

Movie Reference

by accidental innuendo on May 8, 2010 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I've heard a lot players, current and fotmer talk about the idea of "buying in"

It’s more important than the actual schemes. I think part of TO having to leave was that he was constantly questioning the coaches’ system.

FREE THE OGLETREE!!!

by dunkman on May 8, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Interesting point, Dunk.

TO didn’t buy in. And Roy does not appear to be buying in, whether it is because he doesn’t want to, or he can’t. He has never been on the same page as the rest of the offense.

When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.

by White Wolf on May 8, 2010 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

And

I think it was part of Pacman being released. He was reportedly also not a fan of playing his assigned responsibilities. Releasing guys like this reinforces the point that no player is above the team, and the coaches have been given the authority to run the team.

FREE THE OGLETREE!!!

by dunkman on May 9, 2010 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I’ve seen it time and time again in the military. Sure, you can order someone to do something. But, if they aren’t sold on what you’re trying to do, you’ll never get as good of a result as you will if they are. They just go through the motions and do barely above the minimum standard. If they really believe in it, they’ll move mountains to get the job done.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on May 8, 2010 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

so true

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 8, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

WR Depth Chart if Jerry Comes to his senses

1. Miles Austin
2. Dez Bryant
3. Patrick Crayton
4. Ogletree
5. Sam Hurd/Titus Ryan/Manny Johnson/Terrell Hudgins (#2 goes to Practice Squad)

Thanks to Roy Williams, we will lose one of two special teams aces at the bottom of the roster. We are also going to cut a young player who could be the next Miles Austin (whoever comes out on top at the #5 slot). Or… we cut Crayton – a player who is better, more experienced, and more comfortable with Romo. In a year without a salary cap, it is the perfect time to dump the garbage from the roster. Why won’t we cut Roy Williams?

by JimmyJohnson on May 9, 2010 7:44 AM CDT reply actions  

He will be cut

Even if he turns it on at the start, he’ll be cut at the very latest during the latter half of the year. We can’t go into a capped year with that much money tied into a non- productive player. Jerry knows this, he is just trying to salvage…

by Cknbonenowison on May 9, 2010 7:59 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

If he turns it on,

doesnt he become productive.

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on May 9, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Same could have been said for Carpenter

or any other bad player in the NFL. If he turns it on, he can be great.

by JimmyJohnson on May 9, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I was replying to Cknbonowison, who said, "even if he turns it on at the start."

followed by, “cant go into a capped year with that much money tied into a nonproductive player.”

KICK ASS every day!!!

by squidlo97 on May 9, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think they are hanging on to his potential

But I’ll bet at a minimum, he’s on a short leash – if he plays like he did in the Eagles playoff game, he’s in. If he plays like the rest of the season, he’s out.

FREE THE OGLETREE!!!

by dunkman on May 9, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good point on the Eagles playoff game.

He looked like the Roy Williams that we traded for. The one handed catch was a beauty.

by Alexcomestokill on May 9, 2010 12:39 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Why do you want to cut him now?

Are you signing his checks?

Injuries happen. Rookies hitting a wall happens. This team might need Roy Williams this year.
They can always cut him in August. What’s the rush?

by Rafael Vela on May 9, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Right and

Rookie WRs typically don’t hit their NFL gear right away. Garrett was interviewed on Sirius the other day and said essentially that – Dez is a phenom, but it’s rare for a rookie to be an impact player until year two or three. He went on to add that heDID expect immediate contributions in the return game.

FREE THE OGLETREE!!!

by dunkman on May 9, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we cut him now, there are no salary cap implications

If we dump him after the season, we take a huge hit (assuming there is a 2011 cap).

Roy Williams can’t do anything that any of our rookies can’t do. If Dez hits the wall, use Crayton and Ogletree more. Both are better than Roy Williams because both can catch and can run more than 1 route.

by JimmyJohnson on May 9, 2010 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

What's the hit like?

I don’t think it was a hit like TO was to it.

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 9, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Please,

A new CBA would’t take effect until March 2011.

Dallas could cut him in January and wipe him off the books.

by Rafael Vela on May 9, 2010 3:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

and you didn't address the injury issues

If Miles Austin breaks his leg, you willing to go into 2010 with Dez, Ogletree and Crayton.

Really?

by Rafael Vela on May 9, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not cutting Roy

doesn’t mean that you have to cut Crayton.

Roy, Crayton, Dez would be serviceable.

RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.

by aussie_cowboy on May 9, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

O-Line needs help

jamal brown free gurode mr davis gaither—first team—(colombo pays for that) barron brewster bright young will barker —second team proctor preston mcquistan——(cut no good ) maybe two 2 for colombo kosier next year—-U think

by ccarl on May 9, 2010 2:39 PM CDT reply actions  

.....what?

1) Free isn’t a guard.
2) How do they get Jamall Brown and Gaither?

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 9, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Easy

One-for-one trades using highly sought after veterns Procter and Holland.

FREE THE OGLETREE!!!

by dunkman on May 9, 2010 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well when you put it THAT way!

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

Also anyone who ever refers to Dez Bryant as a Dez Dispenser owes me a dollar.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on May 9, 2010 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

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