Sunday Poll: Which Team Gets the Better End of the Carpenter-for-Barron Trade?

You know my take….Rams are getting the better end of deal. Rams are getting a starter who may do very good under Spagnola’s defense while we get the most penalized, lazy backup lineman.

Starter for a backup…..hmmm……not sure how you can compare the two…

I would look at it as they get the starter and we get a back up as well, but both teams fill a need so even up

maybe the practice field when no pads are on.

I’m guessing you haven’t paid attention to his plays. If you’d have been watching for him you would have seen the silliness of your stating “he gives it 100%”. People give Mike Jenkins crap for wiffing on the Brandon Jacobs tackle in 2008. You need to realize that Carpenter does that every single game, sometimes multiple times a game.

To give you an idea, the mid-day show on 1310AM would do an entire segment every Monday on all the Bobby Carpenter wiffs of that Sunday’s game. They called the entire segment “This Week in Barbie”. Think about that. A nickle linebacker (that’s on the field, what, 20 plays a game?) makes enough fail plays every single game that a radio show can do an entire segment on how terrible they are every week.

This isn’t some guy that tries really hard but isn’t strong enough to bring big boys down — this is a guy that makes “business decisions” on the field. I mean, just go download the games against the Giants last year and watch how Carpenter finds ways to never make contact with big Brandon Jacobs. He is a guy that tries NOT to tackle because tackling hurts.

for the rams doesnt mean that he is goin to be better or that hes goin to be suddenly a lb that doesnt shy away at mr bowlin ball headed his way. theres no guarantee that he will suddenly transform his game there, and he might look better considering theres no one to challenge him .

He probably is just good. His stats say he is middle of the pack. Unfortunately, for fans anyway, being a 1st rounder and only being good isnt enough.

In 2005 the Bears waived Marc Columbo. Let me reiterate, they didn’t even try to trade Columbo, they thought so little of him they waived him.

Is there anyone that has a bad word to say about Columbo’s career with the Cowboys?

Alex Baron has a hell of a lot more going for him now than Columbo did when the Cowboys picked him up in 2005. Don’t write him off just because he’s at a low point in his career now. The Cowboys have had a great deal of success with guys like him.

I know I would.

I still haven’t voted…had to do a Mother’s Day lunch to chew on it.

You had a point up there, Scott. OTs are much tougher to find than ILBs. If you think about how teams can plug in LBs—no matter where drafted or how acquired, it’s much tougher to find a starter at either OT position.

I wanted to vote “Yes”

You dont like his game, we get it. Comments like that and you come across as an overemotional fan and lose credibility. Its not personal.

You must choose either Cowboys or Rams, or else the fact that you haven’t yet voted will gnaw away at your stomach until this Sunday’s poll disappears into the oblivion of weekly news stories.

Pick one or the other, but for the Rams option, you should have presented it like this:

“It’s the Rams, dude.”

I’m on your side.

Trades should be viewed in absolute terms (how much a player contributes to his team) rather than relative terms (how much more or less he contributes to team X than the person he was traded for contributes to team Y).

Isn’t that the definition of a trade? Each party makes a deal they’re happy with and swaps something of equal value.

Once I TRADE my car in to the dealership for another car, I could care less what the perceived value is to the dealer or the eventual new owner of it. I made a deal I’m happy with.

The poll is a bit of loaded question in that items in a trade are only as valuable as what someone else is willing to give you for them. It’s up to the parties involved to decide whether or not it’s good enough. Therefore, by definition, if items are traded they have EQUAL value. This only breaks down if when someone is taken advantage of because they don’t know what they had (ex. buying Manhattan for $43) but I highly doubt this is the case when talking about NFL front offices that have been around as long as Dallas and St Louis

Because I’m pretty sure Barron is better as a Swing Tackle than McQuistan or Brewster…just like Kitna is better as a Backup QB than Johnson.

Carpenter is going to be a much better player in St. Louis than Barron is going to be in Dallas (or than Barron was in St. Louis for that matter). That is why St. Louis wins.

which happens to be where I am sittin’ … we got FAR more than I ever dreamed possible

Barron has 74 starts / Carp has zero … yet because of the talent there, Carp’s suddenly the more valuable guy because he’s thrust in as a starter? Senseless

Baron had not signed his tender and was not showing up for Off Season Workouts with the Rams. Was he holding out till he got a long term deal? Who in his camp has him believing that giving up 7.5 sacks last year was grounds for a pay raise?

Are going to be taking their cues on how to behave in the locker room from a backup swing tackle traded out of the 1-15 St. Louis Rams.

T.O. influenced our locker room because he’s a future hall of famer that these guys were watching make ESPN highlights when they were still in high school.

The backup swing tackle from the 1-15 Rams isn’t exactly going to be who the team looks to for leadership. hahaha

It’s a win-win, because the Cowboys had no use for Barbie, but the Rams desperately needs linebackers. Carpenter is going to start for them considering their LB depth is extremely weak. Basically the way I see it is this:

Rams – lost a backup OT, gained a starting OLB
Cowboys – lost nothing, gained a backup OT

I still think gaining a starter out of this trade makes it more beneficial to them than the Cowboys. We gained a swing tackle that might never take a snap outside of preseason, whereas they gained a LB that will take a majority of the snaps on their defense.

I’m pretty sure he will be a start over in STL. He just can’t shine in our linebacker corps because they are way more talented than him. The Rams on the other hand… not so talented.

I think this trade is great for both ends, and pretty much even depend on how you grade it. Assign 5 points for a back up, and 10 points for a starter.

Rams lose 5, and gain 10. The Cowboys lose 0, and gain 5.

That’s a push…. but one starter is worth more than 2 back ups, IMO.

Already regretting your prediction