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Need a little help here.

I'm a Bengals fan trying to find out some info on the little trade that never took place last year. As ya'll know that the Bengals tried to get Martellus Bennett last year and rumor had it for a 2nd round pick. I distinctly remember a Jerry Jones interview  of him saying it was also for a WR that would've been an immediate impact player. Was this true about the WR and if so, who do you guys think it was? I have my own suspicions on who it was..  
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From the DMN article from Oct 22nd this year:

Bennett glad to be in demand: Backup tight end Martellus Bennett said he feels wanted and that he is happy to still be a part of the Cowboys.

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said Wednesday that he turned down an offer for one of his young players before Tuesday’s trade deadline. On Thursday, an ESPN report said that the deal in question was the Cincinnati Bengals attempting to acquire Bennett, a second-round pick of the Cowboys in 2008.

"Everybody talks about me all the time," Bennett said. "I get more press than anybody I know who doesn’t catch any balls."

by One.Cool.Customer on Jun 15, 2010 8:11 AM CDT reply actions  

I know that they said a 2nd round pick but,

I could swear that I seen a interview with Jerry Jones (back when the trade offer happened) saying “that there was an offer that you guys would acquire a WR in the trade and that WR would be an immediate impact from day one.” “B/c Bennett was the future, he declined and he was not going to release the name of the WR.” I’m just trying to confirm this and trying to find the interview that I have seen, If it can be found. I’ve been looking for days and have gone through a lot of articles. I can’t find it.
Thanks..

by WHYUS!! on Jun 15, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bennett’s numbers last year…

15 catches, 159 yards, 0 TD.

Complete disappointment last season – Be extremely thankful the Cowboys didn’t allow the Bengals to make a really dumb deal. Nice pickup of Gresham by the way.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 15, 2010 8:15 AM CDT reply actions  

I'm not going to argue logic.

Because he was disappointing, but he was also asked to block most of the time because he’s the best blocking te on the team.

His impact as a number 1 TE somewhere might have been alot heavier than as a 2 TE in Dallas.

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jun 15, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

When in doubt, go directly to “He was a great blocker.”

Still, he was in on the field for just under 300 pass plays last year. 15 catches is underachieving, and that’s being kind..

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 15, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

for some odd reason you think TEs don't need to block

Actually, it’s half of their job description. If you can’t block as a TE, you’re not really a TE but a H back or very big WR.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 15, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not saying he can’t block. I’m saying you guys go right to “But he’s a great blocker” to justify awful production. I’ve seen it done for Roy Williams, and now I’m seeing it for Martellus Bennett, who by the way, isn’t exactly Clint Didier.

Was Bennett expected to be a significant factor in the passing game last year? He sure was.

Did he produce? Nope.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 15, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Our old TE Reggie Kelly

is one of the best blockers in the NFL. He does catch his share of balls but hardly any TDs. That is why the last two years we acquired pass catching TEs. Blocking is just as important as catching and we have a blocker, a catcher and one that can do both in Gresham. It’s hard for a TE to do both in this league. Usually it’s one or the other, but when you get one that is talented enough to do both, well….

by WHYUS!! on Jun 15, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is getting quite obnoxious.

“You guys go right to…”

No, you go right to trying to cause a stir. Bennett underachieved last season. He was the second-string tight end in a system where he was used primarily as a mismatch and a blocker.

I’d like to see the Eagle’s second string tight end have a 500+ yard season where he’s either blocking or lined out wide against a cornerback. Nobody’s making excuses for anyone. We hate RW. We wish Bennett was more of a factor in the passing attack. But the team that won the division last year isn’t the one generally perceived as “justifying” or making excuses for anything, are they?

by Admiral Dallas on Jun 15, 2010 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

He was the second-string tight end in a system where he was used primarily as a mismatch and a blocker.

I would disagree with the assertion that he was “second string.” I’d call him “1A.” Is he behind Witten on the depth chart? Obviously, yes. But in the Cowboys’ offense, which is so 2 TE heavy, he gets his fair share of chances.

He was on the field for 285 pass plays last year. On just 67 of them, he stayed in to block. He went out into a pattern on the other 218. If you’re a bona fide threat in the passing game, you simply have to have better production than 15-159-0 with that amount of chances.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 15, 2010 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I said he was a dissapointment.

Did you not read that?

Take your condescending ass somewhere else if you wanna be like that dude.

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jun 15, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you’ll note, I was replying to Terry, not you.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 15, 2010 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

If you'll note...

You wrote this,

When in doubt, go directly to "He was a great blocker."

Still, he was in on the field for just under 300 pass plays last year. 15 catches is underachieving, and that’s being kind..

 In reply to me

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jun 15, 2010 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha, “smug assholery.” Love it, and I’m stealing that.

Apparently Terry was banned at BGN for going “Nanny nanny boo boo” minutes after an Eagles’ loss in 2008. That’s a no-no. Personally, I don’t care if Terry posts over there – For being a lawyer, his debating skills are a little weak – I’d gladly welcome some back and forth at BGN. Maybe I’ll put in a good word for him.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 16, 2010 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

thats not why I was banned

and for the record you’ve never beaten me in a debate…not even close oh delusional one.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 16, 2010 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then why were you banned?

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 16, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I called out Jason

 and he couldn’t handle it so he banned me. Believe me, there are plenty of Cowboys fans who go over to BGN and talk smack and they don’t get banned.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 16, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Called him out how? That doesn’t tell me anything. Details, please.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 16, 2010 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jason wrote a post on Cowboys fans

who live outside of Dallas or Texas as not being true fans. I went off on him in the comments, blasted him good for writing such garbage…he got pissed and banned me for a very harmless comment during the game.

The dude has the sensitivity of a teenage girl.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 16, 2010 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, he does

Funnily enough, he hasn’t stopped with the bandwagon jokes. Maybe his life-partner left him for a ‘bandwagon fan.’

Would explain a lot really.

Movie Reference

by accidental innuendo on Jun 16, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha, I actually met his life-partner. She was nice.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 17, 2010 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

So he didn’t ban you while you were “calling him out” on the bandwagon post, but when he actually banned you for going “Nanny nanny boo boo” during an Eagles loss, you’re speculating that the real reason for your banning was really for your comments on the bandwagon post?

Do I have that correct?

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 17, 2010 7:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

it's not speculation

I know for a fact if I didn’t blast him for his moronic bandwagon post I wouldn’t have gotten banned because I commented many times before on game day threads and never got banned and the trash talk prior was much worse.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 17, 2010 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Would you like to be unbanned?

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 17, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

The key is though due to his great blocking

that it would be hard to justify referring to his entire role on the team last year as “awful production.” Did he create the mismatches in the passing game that were hyped in the preseason? No he didn’t. However, he did contribute a great deal to our running game success and if you look at how effective our 2-TE set was last year I think he certainly deserves positive recognition for how key he was to our offense instead of just blanketing him as a huge disappointment.

Plus, isn’t the number of plays he was on the field simply an example of how valuable to our offense? Wouldn’t logic suggest that if he was actually producing awfully that the Cowboys would simply of scratched the 2-TE set in favor of a 3-WR or an I-formation set?

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Jun 15, 2010 3:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course he thinks TEs don't need to block

Eagles fans say that Brent Celek is a better TE than Witten because he put up decent Fantasy numbers last year…..

Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable. --
Tom Landry

by Pnut Gallery on Jun 15, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’m not sure who’s claiming Celek is better than Witten (he has a way to go to be as good as Witten), but he’s still a really good TE, who statistically had a better season last year than Witten.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 15, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Check BGN

There have been a lot of discussions about it on there. Of course, if you spent more time on there than BTB…..

Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable. --
Tom Landry

by Pnut Gallery on Jun 15, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Disagree. Haven’t seen that.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 15, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

No argument about last season

After the way Bennett performed in the preseason, we all thought he was going to have a breakout year, and it didn’t happen.

But I am not going to judge his career by his freshman and sophomore seasons. I don’t expect him to put up Witten-type numbers this year (unless Witten gets hurt), but I do expect 35-40 catches, 400 yards, and several TDs. If he doesn’t advance this year, then I think we will regret not having made the trade.

by doomsdayreturns on Jun 15, 2010 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hey, the "great blocker" argument works for Roy Williams Supporters

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by Seanrude on Jun 15, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh Jimmy your just being a hater.........I'm loosing respect

not that he didn’t drop a ball her and there, but I think the Oline needed the help too. By the way do you guys even have a TE no names come to mind?

by bad knees on Jun 15, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

By the way do you guys even have a TE no names come to mind?

Brent Celek – 76 catches, 971 yards, 8 TD

So… yes.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 15, 2010 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha, no worries.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 15, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

In fact… some friendly advice – If you play fantasy football, move Celek waaaaaay up your board. In Kolb’s 2 starts last year, he put up 16 catches, 208 yards and a TD. He and Kolb are best friends, have been working together on the 2nd team for years (except last year), and Kolb seems to just look for him.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 15, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

In Kolb’s 2 starts last year, (Celek) put up 16 catches, 208 yards and a TD.

Haha, that’s more than Bennett had all season… Yay!

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 15, 2010 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

wait, we're comparing seasons?

with the hat trick victims?

psssh

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by KD Drummond on Jun 15, 2010 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Considering we have witten

And Bennett was used A LOT a blocker (because he’s one of the best in the league at it, look it up). What kind of stats should he be putting up exactly?

You’re beyond delusional dude, enjoy last place in the NFC East with your TP soft defense and losing the two biggest leaders on your team in the last two years.

by ChrisRichey on Jun 15, 2010 10:04 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

What kind of stats should he be putting up exactly?

Certainly more than 15-159-0.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 15, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

And your second TE put up what exactly? Oh ya I remember

Alex Smith PHI 16 games 3 Rec’s 25 yards 1.6 YPG 8.3 YPC 11 Long 5.7 YAC 0 TD’s

Don’t knowck someone before looking at your own team boss

Semper Fi Do or Die

Projected 2010 Record: 12-4. You heard it here first

by Jeremiah_24 on Jun 15, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yup, won’t deny that… Alex Smith sucked. They signed him off the scrap heap like 5 days before the season started last year because they lost Cornelius Ingram to a season-ending ACL injury. I won’t deny that Alex Smith was garbage – If a guy stunk the joint up, he stuck the joint up… and that’s why the Eagles cut him.

If you want to compare Bennett’s garbage season to our garbage backup tight end last year, go right ahead… It only reinforces how much of a non-factor Bennett was in the passing game last year.

And for the record… the Eagles run a mere fraction of 2 TE sets that the Cowboys run. It’s an important position in the Cowboys’ offensive scheme. In the Eagles’ scheme, it’s a body. So you’re really comparing apples and oranges here.

Boss.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 15, 2010 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

You signed the 49'ers QB as a 2nd TE?

No wonder th didn’t get much playing time or Receptions! Holding down two NFL jobs has got to be tough. I thought Tebow would be our first duel threat QB/TE combo. Well at least he looks more promicing play for you than he does the 49’ers.

by bad knees on Jun 15, 2010 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not apples to oranges.

We used Bennett as a blocking TE. I am not saying he lived up to standards, but you can’t say bad things about another teams second TE not performing when your own was non-existant.

Semper Fi Do or Die

Projected 2010 Record: 12-4. You heard it here first

by Jeremiah_24 on Jun 15, 2010 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

It is apples and oranges. 2nd TE – Big part of the Cowboys’ offensive scheme, not so much in Philly.

but you can’t say bad things about another teams second TE not performing when your own was non-existant.

Sure can.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 15, 2010 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well by your logic I should start knocking your O-Line

Semper Fi Do or Die

Projected 2010 Record: 12-4. You heard it here first

by Jeremiah_24 on Jun 15, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t follow.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 15, 2010 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's actually quite simple.

I don’t think your line looks very good at all, but you could also say ours does not. So I don’t, because it’s a moot point. “Those in glass houses should not cast stones” kind of thing. You wanna talk about it, by all means. But our #1 TE outperformed your #1 and our #2 outperformed your #2…. So why are you still talking about it. He didn’t do as well as expected, so what? There’s always next year.

Semper Fi Do or Die

Projected 2010 Record: 12-4. You heard it here first

by Jeremiah_24 on Jun 15, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don’t think your line looks very good at all, but you could also say ours does not.

A little concer about the C position aside, I feel great about the Eagles line. And for the record, I don’t think that that the Cowboys’ starters are bad players. They’re just older than dirt, and when you have 4/5 starters that’ll be 32 or older by the end of the season, and you couple that with a complete lack of depth, there’s major, major reason for concern.

But our #1 TE outperformed your #1

He did? Look at the numbers. Brent Celek is an excellent TE.

our #2 outperformed your #2

Congrats. Your over-hyped disappointment of a #2 TE narrowly outperformed our scrap-heap “minutes before the season started TE signing” that barely played, and is no longer on the team. Awesome – Feather in your cap on that one I guess.

So why are you still talking about it. He didn’t do as well as expected, so what?

Isn’t he the topic of the post?

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 16, 2010 7:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

His performance wasn't the topic.

You choose to make it so, but that’s not what was the OP was trying to gather. You can take your witty little remarks elsewhere, you can’t rouse me with sarcasm. I’m not impressed and frankly I’m bored talking about your opinion on what a 2nd TE is supposed to do when you might as well never have signed yours.

Semper Fi Do or Die

Projected 2010 Record: 12-4. You heard it here first

by Jeremiah_24 on Jun 16, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

You think I’m witty? (blushing)

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 16, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great

With the rosy cheeks your 7 year old little girl ensemble is complete!

Za-zing!

Semper Fi Do or Die

Projected 2010 Record: 12-4. You heard it here first

by Jeremiah_24 on Jun 16, 2010 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

So There!

PLththththththththththhthhth! :-)

by bad knees on Jun 15, 2010 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

And then there was silence....

Semper Fi Do or Die

Projected 2010 Record: 12-4. You heard it here first

by Jeremiah_24 on Jun 15, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Impressive that you know who the “biggest leaders” are, by the way. How’d you get access to the locker room?

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 15, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jimmy K beyond delusional??

Thats like saying the Pope is beyond Catholic, LMAO!!!!

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 15, 2010 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

…or like saying Romo is a little chunky.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 15, 2010 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

you just justified my comment, lol

Anyone who thinks Romo is overweight is either blind or delusional…or maybe both.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 15, 2010 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd have to back Mr. Dawk on this one

if there’s anyone that knows his way around another man’s body, it would absolutely be him.

by huslinone on Jun 16, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

It is true the delusional one

formerly known as ByeDawk is much more concerned with the bodies of NFL qbs than their actual play, LMAO!

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 16, 2010 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

I’m rubber, you’re glue?

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 16, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eagle's fan

I know you think you’re here posting noble intelligent dialogue, but actually you come across like an immature little narcissist. The fact that you spend so much time on a Cowboy’s blog is an indication that you probably have a history of pestering women that told you to buzz off.

Your recurring presence here also seems to validate the perception that Eagle’s fans are the most obnoxious, self-important, sports fans in the United States.

When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.

by White Wolf on Jun 17, 2010 6:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks, I'm glad that we didn't trade too.

We’re happy with Gresham. He’s looking like a great pick and with our blocking TE Kelly back, he’ll show Gresham the ropes on blocking. He needs no help running routes and catching..

by WHYUS!! on Jun 15, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

You might consider your use of the word "awful"

That word might best be used to describe this…..now that……that’s just awful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEgOifeU7JE

Feel free to forward to the 5:24 mark. You remember that run? Take a look at #80, see how he seals off against #75, who I believe is a DT. Pretty damn good block for a TE on a DT. There’s not too much “awful” about that pretty block ’n run, is there? He pretty much made that run…..in a playoff game…..against an awful defense on an awful team.

Not up to expectations on the receiving end? Yes, agreed. Awful? No……there is more to being a tight end than just receiving.

Feel free to rewind and watch that again…..and again……and again. I know I can’t get enough of it.

by huslinone on Jun 16, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hahahaha, that’s the highlight you’re showing as the example of Martellus Bennett being some sort of great blocker?!? For one, “#75” is not a DT – That’s Juqua Parker, an undersized DE that goes 6’2, 250. Bennett goes 6’6, 265. And sure, Bennett gets in Parker’s way, which is his job, and a job done well enough I suppose to give the speedy Felix Jones juuuust enough room to get around the corner… but Parker actually pushes Bennett back a good 5 yards with relative ease. That’s the kind of block that’ll get a WR a pat on the head, but not a supposed blocking phenom at the TE position.

But good research finding a youtube clip of Bennett getting in a defender’s way. Kudos.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 16, 2010 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Soooooo, you're laughing at.....

the Eagles defense, in general, or the fact that in the 3rd quarter of a freaking playoff game, the Eagles are lining up an undersized DE to stop the run? Yeah, I would absolutely use this as an example of a good block….against your team….in a playoff game…….It was the key block to an absolutely back-breaking run….against the Eagles.

Even funnier – your description of the block. I’m guessing that’s all it takes to block that powder-puff defense? I guess, if it were me, I would describe as “Hell, yeah, he blocked the hell of out my guy. What a great play.” Instead, you’re saying it doesn’t take a whole hell-of-a-lot to romp through that crap secondary.

And actually, it was a little hard finding that clip, to be honest. There were so many damn 2010 Cowboys offensive highlights versus the Eagles, it took me like an hour to get through them all.

by huslinone on Jun 16, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

So it took you an hour of pouring through youtube clips to find one mediocre Martellus Bennett block?

Your honor, the prosecution rests.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 16, 2010 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

You can keep saying it

but it don’t make it so

And no, the hour wasn’t just normal clips – it was touchdowns, big plays, etc. of the Cowboys against the Eagles. Shoot – the playoff game alone was almost 10 minutes of highlights.

by huslinone on Jun 16, 2010 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

It’s OK, my friend… So Bennett stunk last year… Is there really a need to futilely try to prove he didn’t? He stunk, period. Choose your battles wisely. If somebody were to say “Asante Samuel couldn’t tackle my sister,” I’d just agree… because it’s true. And bringing the debate from Bennett to “Oh yeah, well we beat you 3 times” only kind of proves that you have no interest in defending your weak case for Bennett anymore… so just let it go. He stunk – I’m sorry, but he just did.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 16, 2010 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

but if your definition of ‘stunk’ pertains to Bennett, than what the hell word would you use for the Eagles?

My point is that it’s relative. At least you could point to one aspect of Bennett’s game that did not stink. My point of comparison: There wasn’t one single thing positive about any of the Eagles’ performances versus the Cowboys; thus, I’m saying, you’re using the word incorrectly.

Am I talking over your head? Just want to make sure….

by huslinone on Jun 16, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Everyone thought Marty B was going to have a breakout season based on the pre-season hype

He and Roy W were supposed to pluck jump balls out of the sky for TDs, and that did not happen. The guy was disappointing, no matter how well he blocked.

It is far too early to call him a bust. He is still early enough in his career that expecting the light to go on is not unreasonable, unlike expecting the same from a certain overpaid WR, which is truly beyond delusional

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by Seanrude on Jun 15, 2010 12:02 PM CDT reply actions  

Man,

I guess I opened a can of worms…

by WHYUS!! on Jun 15, 2010 2:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Nah, not really. We do this every day with some topic.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 15, 2010 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

No. you didn't. Bennett is a has great potential and would produce more as a #1 TE

Jimmy just uses facts to start up arguements: Unlike the wishfull thinking he uses in his posts at BGN.

It’s all good

by bad knees on Jun 15, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Just out of curiosity, to which post are you referring to as wishful thinking?

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 15, 2010 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

I visit over there but haven't seen much worth reading for me

I’m just being a good Cowboy’s fan by hating on you…..K.

by bad knees on Jun 15, 2010 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah, got it.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 15, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, but I do get a since of some Oline insecurity

Are you projecting? You seem to have a lot of doughts about our Oline.

by bad knees on Jun 15, 2010 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

The Eagles’ C position has me a little worried. But otherwise I’d say they’re ready to go. The Cowboys’ OL could be a disaster.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 15, 2010 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha, there's no argueing that statement!

Love it! Kind of like Battle of the Bulge “Nuts” reply, I mean what do you say in response that won’t get you the same “Bull” or even “Bull-ony” or “Bullshat” spit back.

by bad knees on Jun 15, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

No can o'worms opened, just an unsolicited bs response from our PHI troll

We have a resident Iggles troll that lives on the site.
Pay no attention to him.

Bennett had a disappointing season, but with Witten as the #1 TE, you can’t expect him to put up eye popping numbers. He was a very good blocker, but has plenty of athletic ability to be more than just a blocking TE. If he was the guy in an offense, I could see him putting up very nice numbers.

Gresham is more of a receiving threat though. He was a beast at OU.

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Jun 15, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uncanny similarities to Spencer means Bennett will break out in 2010

So everyone knows Anthony Spencer was Dawk’s go-to Cowboy when stirring the pot at BTB. And we know how that turned out…

Fast forward, and here we are with Dawk now trolling Martellus Bennett. So let me just take a moment to show how Bennett’s career has sort of mirrored Spencer’s and why Bennett could be in for a big year.

Both were high draft picks that were somewhat surprising to us on BTB
Both came in to play on the other side of potential HOFers in Ware and Witten
Both displayed glimpses of their fantastic ability in their rookie season and then put forth a subdued sophomore effort
Both, while derided for their inability to post monster fantasy stats i.e. sacks or catches, are absolute beasts at the workmanlike aspects of their job description — Spencer was great against the run and in pass coverage before the sacks started coming, while Bennett is an exceptional blocker

Spencer was able to come on strong at the end of last season, his third year, and add to his resume as a sack-artist much to the chagrin of poor Dawk. So now he has begun his campaign against Bennett.

Now entering his third year, look for Martellus to have a great season…

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by accidental innuendo on Jun 16, 2010 11:11 AM CDT reply actions  

Not true. Roy Williams was my preseason go-to target, but that got pretty boring after a while. My attention turned to Spencer when he was playing poorly during the first half of the season, and then, well… (lowering voice)… He started to light it up.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 16, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

If Roy was your pre-season target, that got lost in the cacophony of Cowboys fans targetting Roy, because I do not remember it

Can you believe there are Cowboys fans who have had it with Roy and want him gone? They do not understand that it takes a minimum of 7 years for a Wide Receiver to understand the NFL game. I don’t think Irvin and Troy really started to click until they had both retired and played together in a Saturday afternoon flag football league.

As for Spencer, you were beating that drum loudly. As was pointed out to you by myself and others, Spencer was playing well even if he was not getting the sacks yet. To your credit, you clammed up about him pretty quickly.

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by Seanrude on Jun 16, 2010 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

There were plenty of people here still trying to defend Roy Williams (whole offseason working with Romo, he didn’t know the playbook the first year, TO was a big loudmouth who made Romo throw him the ball, etc etc). Oh, I had had plenty of people to spar with.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 16, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

..:: whispers::.. blocking dude, your forgot the blocking

by One.Cool.Customer on Jun 16, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh shite… forgot! He’s also a great blocker.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 16, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

and all I was trying to do is

get some info…. Trolls screw things up for everybody, don’t they?

by WHYUS!! on Jun 16, 2010 12:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Hey! I complimented your Bengals on Gresham. If I weren’t carrying this thread, there’d be 5 comments.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 16, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

And I said thanks too.

I asked for some help with fellow bloggers that might have the info I need. If there is 5 comments or 100, I don’t care. Even though the comments were pretty entertaining to read, it wasn’t the topic of this post that you kept spieling. But it’s OK! Hopefully someone out there can help.

by WHYUS!! on Jun 16, 2010 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Technically, my initial reply to your post was…

Bennett’s numbers last year…

15 catches, 159 yards, 0 TD.

Complete disappointment last season – Be extremely thankful the Cowboys didn’t allow the Bengals to make a really dumb deal. Nice pickup of Gresham by the way.

…which was on the topic of the Bengals-Cowboys-Bennett trade rumor theme. The Cowboys fans then took it into various directions from there. So in reality, they’re the trolls, not me, haha.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 16, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

and I replied
Thanks, I’m glad that we didn’t trade too. We’re happy with Gresham. He’s looking like a great pick and with our blocking TE Kelly back, he’ll show Gresham the ropes on blocking. He needs no help running routes and catching..

And actually the topic was to find out if the Bengals actually offered a WR in that trade. Per Jerry Jones… And if any one could help with some footage or other articles that I might have overlooked, b/c I remember a interview with Jerry Jones and can’t find it.
So does your reply that you posted twice now have anything to do with the topic? Thanks for your regards on that trade not being completed and on Gresham, but I kinda get the feeling that you knew posting his stats and the comment made in the post would stir controversy.
Seems to me your a regular troll here… Just saying!

by WHYUS!! on Jun 16, 2010 2:33 PM CDT reply actions  

I kinda get the feeling that you knew posting his stats and the comment made in the post would stir controversy.

(Gasp) I would never dare even think of such a thing. I was merely trying to put your mind at ease for the Bengals not pulling the trigger on a trade for such a horrible, awful player.

Seems to me your a regular troll here

Absolutely not. All my friends here at BTB have a great deal of respect and admiration for me.

So does your reply that you posted twice now have anything to do with the topic?

To what reply are you referring? This…?

Bennett’s numbers last year…

15 catches, 159 yards, 0 TD.

Complete disappointment last season – Be extremely thankful the Cowboys didn’t allow the Bengals to make a really dumb deal. Nice pickup of Gresham by the way.

Yes, again, it was on the topic of the trade rumors. So I didn’t venture a guess as to who the Bengals’ receive was that was rumored to be involved… I was unaware such strict, rigid answers should be expected. So I’ll guess now… Chris Henry?

Better?

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 16, 2010 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes that was the reply and

yes it was on topic of trade rumors but not on topic of my post. Even though you posted a good gesture it was to stir controversy. Was there not controversy? I didn’t say it was a bad thing, but it seems to me without controversy, then you would be bored. I’ve read your posts and they explain it.. (From a outsider looking in) There’s nothing wrong with that.
With that being said your doing the same with me. It’s all good b/c nothing nasty is being done. It’s all fun until someone gets hurt and I don’t see any harm done.
Like I said before, before I was baited into a controversial situation, I was trying to find some info, and thanks for your reply on Chris Henry. Is there any info to back your guess up.

by WHYUS!! on Jun 16, 2010 3:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's kind of irritating

The Bengals fan comes over to ask a legit question to Cowboys fans on a Cowboys blog and the thread gets hijacked by a pot stirring Iggles fan. If I were in charge of banning trolls, I would seriously warn Jimmy to knock it off. He took his shot at dissing Bennett, fine, but everything after that is complete 100% troll.

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Jun 16, 2010 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yes this

What I really hate is the act he puts on here at BTB. His true colors show over at BGN.

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by accidental innuendo on Jun 16, 2010 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

He is always bashing the Cowboys, and like his predictions last year often wrong and then tries to wiggle out what he said. I have no problem with fans of other teams stating intelligent opinions, but IMHO Bye Dawk comes here to stir up Cowboy fans and make him be the big man at BGN.

My favorite semi pro teams are the Eagles and Giants

by RealAlbertEinstein on Jun 17, 2010 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

Leave that crap at the DMN and FauxSports blogs.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Jun 16, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I thought when bye dawk received a predominate role at bgn

he would backoff trolling on BTB and spend more time educating the philly fans. It looks as though he can’t stay away from the excitement of America’s team and their knowledgeable fans. After spending time at bgn I do understand why he prefers the intelligence of the Cowboy fan over the room temperature IQ of the philly fan. It must be hard to be a fan of a team that has never won the big one.:)

WOW WOW Wubbzy, it's time for number six.

by DIRE WOLF on Jun 17, 2010 12:23 PM CDT reply actions  

I thought when bye dawk received a predominate role at bgn he would backoff trolling on BTB

Me too, but that lasted about a day.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 17, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol

WOW WOW Wubbzy, it's time for number six.

by DIRE WOLF on Jun 17, 2010 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hey everyone,

Thanks for all the info. I got 2 actual replies to this post and one was from a trolling eagles fan that wanted to start controversy over something that wasn’t the topic of my post. He, at least gave me a guess as to who he thought it might have been (the WR) with no input to back his guess. I have found all kinds of info on my subject, but not the right info. I thought I could come here (especially during this slow time offseason) and get some input from Blogging with the Boys and what you boys thought. I guess not…
Thanks for all your input on this subject b/c there was none. We’ll see you boys in the HOF game. Remember 2010 is the year of the Tiger.

by WHYUS!! on Jun 17, 2010 1:37 PM CDT reply actions  

:(

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jun 17, 2010 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

The trade didn't happen.

Nobody knows if Bennett will be a good #1 TE until he gets the chance. He is used mostly as a blocking TE and does a good job. Dallas has Witten, the best TE in football, what can I say. Bennett isn’t going to be an early option for Romo with the likes of Austin, Witten, RW, Crayton, and now Dez, also with Tree and coming on and Felix out of the backfield. Plus this team runs the ball a lot. There are only so many balls to go around and Bennett is sh-t out of luck.

WOW WOW Wubbzy, it's time for number six.

by DIRE WOLF on Jun 17, 2010 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry man

I never heard about anything other than Bennett for a Bengals 1st or 2nd rd pick. If there was more to the trade it would have been talked about on BTB, I’m sure of that.

But if you ever find the quote from Jerry maybe you could add the link to this thread.

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Jun 17, 2010 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is Jerry's comments following the rumors...

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Jerry-Jones-turned-down-significant-offer-before-deadline.html

Jones probably should of just kept his mouth shut, but maybe it was a motivation tactic towards Bennett, who knows..

I assume you have already read this article and Jerry’s lengthy, repetitive, and confusing quote, but we really cant speculate on something that wasn’t said—or maybe was said even though there are no quotes of it…

One other option is you could check with www.dcfanatic.com, guy posts a ton of video daily via espn/dallas area stuff/ send him an email:

contact@dcfanatic.com

Maybe he can fill ya in more. Sorry we couldn’t be of anymore help.

by JLMax09 on Jun 17, 2010 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

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