Dirty Deeds, Done Dirt Cheap: The Dallas Cowboys Defensive Line
Soooo … Albert Haynesworth is unhappy in Washington. That in itself would hardly warrant a mention on a Dallas Cowboys blog, but what makes this FUBAR situation interesting - apart from a malicious delight in another teams’ misfortunes - is the reason he gives for being unhappy: The man doesn’t want to play in a 3-4 defensive scheme.
Granted, the reason he gives publicly may have nothing whatsoever to do with what is really going on, but let’s take what’s being said at face value. The question then becomes, why would a player not want to play in a 3-4 defense? The question of why a player with a $100 million contract would even care what position he plays, well, we’ll leave that for another day and another time.
It is widely accepted that defensive linemen in a 3-4 defense don’t put up the numbers that the linemen do in 4-3 teams. After the break, we look at whether 3-4 linemen stats really do suffer because of the scheme, whether they are paid less as a result and what this all means for the Dallas Cowboys.
The Dallas Cowboys defensive line, despite having First Team All Pro Jay Ratliff on board, garnered only 17 sacks and ranked 22nd in the league last year in total sacks. ProFootballFocus.com (PFF) have developed a fairly simple way to measure pass rushing performance, Pass Rushing Points (PRP), which takes sacks, QB hits and QB pressures into account:
Pass Rushing Points = Total Sacks + (Total Hits x 0.75) + (Total Pressures x 0.75)
Even using PRP, Ratliff’s crew only ranked a joint 22nd in the league. The casual observer might conclude from those stats that the Cowboys have a below average defensive line. After all, the Eagles and Vikings defensive lines recorded 41 and 39 sacks each last season, and the Cowboys managed only 17.
Of apples and oranges
The interested observer will quickly point out that comparing the stats of the teams above is pointless, as the Cowboys are playing a totally different defensive scheme, the 3-4. To better understand just how good or bad the Cowboys defensive line’s stat production was last year, we need to compare them to other 3-4 teams. In the table below, I've ranked the top 10 teams for each defensive formation as per PFF:
| 3-4 Defense | 4-3 Defense | |||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Team | Sacks | QB Hits | QB Pressures | PRP | Team | Sacks | QB Hits | QB Pressures | PRP | |
| Dolphins | 22 | 26 | 68 | 93 | Titans | 26 | 62 | 131 | 171 | |
| Cardinals | 23 | 20 | 71 | 91 | Vikings | 39 | 59 | 112 | 167 | |
| Cowboys | 17 | 24 | 66 | 85 | Eagles | 41 | 50 | 118 | 167 | |
| 49ers | 14 | 26 | 69 | 85 | Colts | 31 | 36 | 134 | 159 | |
| Browns | 13 | 27 | 65 | 82 | Falcons | 24 | 35 | 133 | 150 | |
| Jets | 17 | 12 | 72 | 80 | Panthers | 23 | 38 | 120 | 142 | |
| Patriots | 15 | 20 | 64 | 78 | Texans | 25 | 47 | 107 | 141 | |
| Jaguars | 10 | 16 | 64 | 70 | Giants | 23 | 51 | 98 | 135 | |
| Packers | 7 | 18 | 50 | 58 | Bears | 24 | 40 | 102 | 131 | |
| Chiefs | 9 | 13 | 50 | 56 | Seahawks | 18 | 48 | 87 | 119 | |
The 3-4 defense pits three defensive linemen against five offensive linemen and the occasional tight end or two. Their role essentially is to keep these five plus blockers occupied long enough for the 3-4 outside linebackers to get to the QB and do their pass rushing job.
And because they’re being asked to basically maintain their positions and occupy blockers, any pass rushing stat must be seen as a bonus. This makes Jay Ratliff’s performance all the more remarkable: Despite playing in the statistically disadvantageous 3-4 scheme, he notched 6 sacks, the second highest number for any defensive tackle in the NFL, regardless of whether they were playing in a 3-4 or a 4-3.
Dirty deeds …
Always outnumbered in the trenches, the 3-4 lineman’s job is to stop or at least delay blockers and create lanes for the linebackers who are the real stars in the 3-4 system. Unfortunately, there are no readily comprehensible stats available that would accurately show an individual lineman’s contribution with an individual stat.
And the available stats don’t do the 3-4 linemen a lot of justice either. Because they often have to take on two blockers, they often have low tackle totals. They don’t have a lot of tackles for losses or sacks because their role isn’t about shooting gaps.
But if the 3-4 linemen do their job well, the outside linebackers will rack up pass rushing stats like there’s no tomorrow, while the inside linebackers will collect tackles as if they were being handed out for free. The 3-4 linemen do all the dirty work, others in the team reap the rewards. Here’s how the stats for the OLB and MLBs/ILBs stack up for the twelve best teams in the league:
| Outside Linebackers | ILBs/MLB | |||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Team | Sacks | QB Hits | QB Pressures | PRP | Team | Tackles | ||||
| Cowboys | 20 | 45 | 81 | 115 | Chiefs | 224 | ||||
| Steelers | 24 | 28 | 65 | 94 | Chargers | 194 | ||||
| Packers | 19 | 31 | 50 | 80 | Broncos | 192 | ||||
| 49ers | 19 | 23 | 52 | 75 | 49ers | 187 | ||||
| Broncos | 18 | 15 | 55 | 71 | Cowboys | 185 | ||||
| Cardinals | 17 | 10 | 59 | 69 | Packers | 180 | ||||
| Chargers | 15 | 23 | 48 | 68 | Cardinals | 155 | ||||
| Chiefs | 12 | 16 | 57 | 67 | Browns | 151 | ||||
| Browns | 15 | 20 | 42 | 62 | Jaguars | 149 | ||||
| Dolphins | 19 | 10 | 38 | 55 | Steelers | 146 | ||||
| Patriots | 12 | 14 | 34 | 48 | Patriots | 130 | ||||
| Redskins (4-3) | 13 | 17 | 23 | 43 | Panthers (4-3) | 121 | ||||
Note that for each position in the table above, only one 4-3 team makes the top 12. This is of course a result of the scheme, in that a 3-4 scheme heavily favors OLBs as pass rushers, and having two ILBs instead of one MLB will also drive up your tackle total.
One player each on the Redskins and Panthers stood out: Brian Orakpo recorded a scary 12 sacks as a 4-3 LB (somebody needs to tell him quickly that you just don't that in a 4-3) and Jon Beason continued his beastly ways, notching a league leading 121 tackles according to PFF.
Also note that if you use the performance of the OLBs and ILB as a measure of how well the defensive linemen are doing, the Cowboys had arguably one of the best 3-4 defensive lines in the game last year.
… done dirt cheap
The USAToday NFL salary database lists the salaries for all NFL players for last season. Now I know that comparing salaries in the NFL is a tricky business, what with different contract lengths, signing bonuses, guaranteed money and everything else. But taking the cap value of a contract in a given year irons out many of the irregularities and makes total remuneration easier to compare. It doesn’t come as a big surprise to see that 3-4 linemen make less than their 4-3 peers, regardless of how you slice it. The table below shows that on average, 4-3 defensive linemen make 25% more than their 3-4 colleagues, but that difference can be significantly higher depending on where you rank on the salary ladder.
| Average defensive line player 2009 cap salary | |||
|---|---|---|---|
| Cap rank | 3-4 | 4-3 | Difference |
| Top 10 |
$7.297 m | $9.881 m | 35% |
| 11-20 |
$4.460 m | $6.500 m | 46% |
| 21-30 |
$3.132 m | $5.403 m | 73% |
| NFL Avg. |
$1.846 m | $2.300 m | 25% |
Now let’s take a look at the top ten cap salaries for defensive linemen. Three 3-4 players make the top 10 list. I’ve also added where the Cowboys’ defensive linemen rank in the NFL salary structure.
| Best paid defensive lineman, 2009 cap salary | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Rank | Name | Team | Scheme | Cap Salary |
| 1 | Julius Peppers | Panthers | 4-3 | $19.183 m |
| 2 | Jared Allen | Vikings | 4-3 | $11.663 m |
| 3 | Dwight Freeney | Colts | 4-3 | $11.220 m |
| 4 | Justin Smith | 49ers | 3-4 | $10.583 m |
| 5 | Will Smith | Saints | 4-3 | $9.421 m |
| 6 | Tommie Harris | Bears | 4-3 | $9.090 m |
| 7 | Corey Williams | Browns | 3-4 | $8.783 m |
| 8 | Aaron Schobel | Bills | 4-3 | $8.564 m |
| 9 | Luis Castillo | Chargers | 3-4 | $8.058 m |
| 10 | Justin Tuck | Giants | 4-3 | $7.650 m |
| 77 | Igor Olshansky | Cowboys | 3-4 | $2.901 m |
| 90 | Jay Ratliff | Cowboys | 3-4 | $2.545 m |
| 121 | Marcus Spears | Cowboys | 3-4 | $1.656 m |
Relative to their performance and relative to their peers, the Cowboys linemen are doing their 'dirty deeds' for relatively little money. If Jay Ratliff continues his stellar play, watch for a reworked contract to come along sooner rather than later. Ratliff's 2.5 million dollars per year is a lot of money, but just for your reference, six kickers in the NFL had a higher cap salary last year.
Albert Haynesworth by the way ranked 12th last year with a cap salary of $7 million.
Here’s how the individual contracts for the three Cowboys starters from 2009 are structured, most data is from rotoworld.com:
In late 2007, Jay Ratliff signed a five-year, $20.5 million contract extension. The contract included an $8 million signing bonus, and will make him a free agent by the 2013 season. His base salary until then: 2010: $2.105 million, 2011: $3.75 million, 2012: $4.875 million.
Igor Olshansky is playing with a similarly structured, four-year and $18 million contract, with $8 million guaranteed, of which $6 is a signing bonus. He could be due up to $4.5 million in incentives. He made a $1.7 million base salary in 2009. I couldn't find any data on his salary for the next years, but by prorating his incentives I’m guessing his numbers progress roughly as follows: 2010: $2.7 million, 2011: $3.6 million, 2012: $4.0 million.
Marcus Spears is signed to a $1.226 million one year deal.
Unfortunately for most 3-4 linemen in the league, the 3-4 linemen market appears to be a buyers market, a market characterized by low salaries and a supply of quality players exceeding demand. Otherwise somebody would probably have snapped up Marcus Spears already.
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Great writeup
So the skins switching to a 3-4 means orakpo gonna be that much scairier?
Really?! Really?!
by thebigham on Jun 22, 2010 9:16 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
good analysis, and
it makes me wonder if the Cowboys are going to have a hard time staying competitive on defense without paying closer to top money.
We definately have a ton of players
deserving of pay increases. I think we’re ok, but we’re going to have to get rid of some of our higher paid players that aren’t living up to their payroll cough Roy Williams cough and keep reloading in the draft.
It would look as if ...
the Cowboys are in the business of drafting the best player available and trying to develop them behind starters, DL included. Players like Rat (7th round) become “keepers”, while Spears (1st round) may get his walking papers with a younger developing player (possibly Lessemore) taking his spot. Its the nature of the beast. So paying “top dollar” might happen, but not nessessarily with Dallas. Jerry and company have done an excellent job of “filling” the 53 man roster with good starters and younger developing players behind them and on the practice squad.
The key is when you let a Flozell Adams go, you better have an adequate replacement. The Cowboys have relied heavily on their self-evaluation of their own players and the collegiate players, and its worked. I would say two moves that stick out to me in the past 4-5 years that were “bad” are drafting Carpenter and allowing Matt Moore to slip through.
by spadesking131313 on Jun 22, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Taking a couple OL in the ..
mid-rounds and not being able to get much from them, not a big lose in my opinion. A 1st rounder where there were players there that could help and would be helping now was big. Allowing Moore to leave without nothing, to allow Brad Johnson to back up Romo was horrid in hind site. Moore would be a valuable trade commodity, had Dallas kept him. Would have taken some heat off the front office with the Roy trade had they got a 2nd or so last year.
by spadesking131313 on Jun 22, 2010 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions
and giving up the draft picks for Roy
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on Jun 23, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Not that you were making that point
but Headstomper already got paid, and paid big. I wonder if he just doesn’t like the idea of taking the extra hits or something.
On another topic, those horns they blow during the WC games are maybe the most ridiculous, annoying thing ever brought to a sporting event. But FIFA being FIFA, it couldn’t find it’s bloated, bureaucratic a** with both hands let alone make its games watchable…
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
The vuvuzela reminds me of my ex.
I was just about to make the same point about Albert. He’s already made his money. There has to be another reason he doesn’t want to do it. The only thing that comes to mind is his loss of personal stats. Roughly translated that means…selfishness.
When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.
LOL
NIce.
For sure I can’t think of a single positive reason for holding out. But at least it’s Little Danny Snyder’s problem…
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
i've actually changed my view of this issue
Haynesworth signed with the Redskins under the organizations promise that it wouldn’t switch to a 3-4. Whatever reasoning he has, legitimate or not, he signed with the Redskins because they said he wouldn’t have to play Nose in a 3-4.
The organization completely switched it’s stance from what it promised to him. I’m sure he has a lot of incentive money built into his contract that he may not achieve if he has to play nose tackle. Basically, he signed a contract with reachable incentives (pro bowl bonuses, tackle clauses, etc etc) that he can no longer reach if he plays the nose.
To me, he is justified in wanting to be traded. But I LOVE to see this happen to the Skins.
2009 BTB Part Deux Fantasy League Champion. 'Kill Everybody 13-2'. KDP knows football.
My Wizards just won the first pick in the NBA Draft- The basketball gods have shown mercy.
Stephen Strasburg has given life support to my interest in baseball. Go Nats!
by KD Drummond on Jun 22, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
This is a good point, but I have two counters
1. He signed a contract based on DAN SNYDER’S word to not change things???
and…
2. He signed a contract based on DAN SNYDER’S word to not change things???
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
and don't forget
He signed a contract based on DAN SNYDER’S word not to change things
Don't Panic!!!
by levcd on Jun 22, 2010 12:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
and don't forget
He signed a contract based on DAN SNYDER’S word not to change things
Don't Panic!!!
by levcd on Jun 22, 2010 12:57 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
My first thought is the guy is just complacent and lazy
But didn’t he also miss a lot of games last year because of his knee(s). I thought I heard he had possibly career limiting knee issues. Maybe the guy just hurts and has enough cash in the bank to be happy.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jun 22, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you hit the nail on the head
He was a borderline bust his first few years in TN, not REAL bad but not worthy of his draft position either, then he had a great year in his SALARY DRIVE year, big surprise there, right? He get’s paid and now he’s gone back to his true self.
"I just wrote the check, it's up to you guys to cash it!" - Jimmy Johnson to defense after failed attempt on 4th down deep inside Cowboy territory. AND THEY DID!!!!
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
The guy is nothing but a selfish pig of a human being.
The Cowboys also cut 5 players today.
When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.
I might not have worded that as I intended
I was actually cutting the guy a little slack. If he’s in chronic pain, severe pain, it’s understandable why he might not be very motivated to play, especially considering the amount of money he was paid.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jun 23, 2010 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Show him the money...
maybe the Skins changed did promise him they wouldn’t change to 3-4 but didn’t he have the option to walk away and find himself another contract instead of taking the $21M in april but he wanted money. Now hes got the money he wants to be released.
Anyway its the Skins so lets enjoy :-)
$100 Million for a known TROUBLEMAKER
Between Snyder & Davis, I can’t figure which is worse for the NFL. Both are notorious for giving out bad contracts and making very bad decisions.Both have given out big contracts to players that has caused a lot of trouble for other teams.Now Revis wants a huge contract and C Johnson wants more and just wait till somebody wants Fat Albert money. Not that players don’t deserve it but these bad contracts are raising the bar out of reach for the players that actually deserve it.The Rat more than deserves to be the best paid D- Lineman but how do they work out such a contract with Fat Albert getting way more than he deserves.Rookie contracts are just insane,giving out that kind of money for a player who is an absolute unknown in the NFL!! Just my humble opinion.
Wade Phillips first Super Bowl win is as the Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys!!!
by NVCowboy4Life on Jun 23, 2010 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Your facts make me dizzy.
I love your analyses (pl.) but can’t handle reading this right now because I just had a couple beers. Now I’ll have to wait for an evening coffee to prep me for this post.
LMAO
Hittin’ the juice early @ 10am? Niice, lol
FEAR the STAR...it's all or nothing.... time to COWBOY UP.
NFL .com chat
I don’t know if anybody else saw it a day or 2 ago but Jay Ratliff did the interactive chat on NFL.com http://chat.nfl.com/front/index/969 check it out! I am amazed if he’s played with elbows that hurt that bad that he couldn’t bench press. Watch out! The RAT is healthy
I can’t wait for the season to start!
yeah, I saw this on DMN last night
injured every year, couldn’t bench press for the last two years… and was still first team all-pro!?!?!?!
Man, how did he last until the 7th round?
2009 BTB Part Deux Fantasy League Champion. 'Kill Everybody 13-2'. KDP knows football.
My Wizards just won the first pick in the NBA Draft- The basketball gods have shown mercy.
Stephen Strasburg has given life support to my interest in baseball. Go Nats!
by KD Drummond on Jun 22, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
I was wondering that also
Doesn’t sound like it was just some minor inconvenience. Head scratcher.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on Jun 23, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Man, that's tolerance for pain
playing every game in pain and yet at that high a level.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
I really believe that Rat is the 2nd best player on our team
Behind only Ware. The reason he is first team All-Pro is because the rest of the league realizes what a monster he is. If I remember correctly, he wouldn’t have made the Pro Bowl based on the fan vote, correct? So it was the coaches and players that got him in.
He is an absolute monster and I hope Jerry finds a way to keep him his entire career!
Ratliff is probably the 2nd best player on the team... but maybe the best.
Definitely the best at his position (3-4 NT)
Can you say that 100% about DeMarcus Ware? I’d like to be a homer and say that he is without a doubt the best 3-4 OLB, but he has peers even if he is a little bit ahead of them.
The way Ratliff played last year, it’s hard to say that anyone was near his level.
I think thats debatable
Ratliff plays a different NT than most of his peers. The one gap NT lends itself to more game breaking plays. A really good two gap NT opens things up for others to make plays.
I don’t know enough about the other 9 or so 3-4 NTs to make that claim.
While Ware had a down year last year to some extent, he has a longer record of success than Ratliff.
Yeah, you are right.
I think there is only one other NT that plays the one-gap technique in a 3-4 and he plays on Wade’s old defense in San Diego.
…and Ware was injured last year so I really wouldn’t call it much of a down year, just saying that several OLB’s emerged last year. We will see if they can keep it up the way Ware has though.
Either way, I feel great with our front 7 and having two all-pro’s in the lineup certainly helps.
Not true, re: one-gap NTs vs. two-gaps
All NFL 3-4 teams play one-gap fronts. When Parcells was here, the Cowboys were the only 3-4 which ran a pure two-gap front.
I haven’t seen the Dolphins lately and don’t know if they’re a pure two gap team, but they would be the only one.
but the %s vary right?
This was probably in a recent post by you or OCC, but how many other 3-4 NTs play over 70% one-gap assignments?
I'd say all of them
with the possible exception of Miami. I saw a story about two, three years ago with Dom Capers and he said that’s the dirty little 3-4 secret. Nobody plays true straight up two-gap fronts as their base D’s anymore. that went out with the ’80s.
I came across a similar quote
From an article in the PFW 2005 NFL Preview:
A 3-4 defense means they have three defensive linemen – that’s it. Most teams use the ‘under’ or ‘over’ defenses, and it’s not a true 3-4.
In the ‘under’ defense, the weak-side end shifts down over the guard; in the ‘over’, the strong-side end goes into the three-technique, lined up between the guard and tackle. Many teams that use 3-4 personnel shade the NT one way or another, pinch in their ends and bring a LB in as a de facto fourth lineman standing up.
So the next time you want to impress your football-watching buddies, explain to them how the Steelers and Patriots play the true 3-4 “less than 10% of the time,” as Charlie Weis estimated, and that they rarely use the ‘odd spacing’ (ends on the outside shoulder of the tackles, NT over the C) of the vintage 3-4.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on Jun 24, 2010 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions
That should all be in the block quotes
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on Jun 24, 2010 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Yea, but....
I dont think the over and under schemes dont really indicate gap responsibilities.
In the two gap, the NT is responsible for both “A” gaps, the Ends are responsible for the “B” and “C” gaps on their side. That leaves the lone “D” gap on the strong side to be picked up by one of the linebackers.
In the one gap, the NT is assigned one of the “A” gaps, the Ends are assigned each of the “B” gaps, and the Outside Linebackers are each assigned a “C” gap, and then the “D” gap is left for usually one of the other Linebackers.
In other words, there are 7 gaps, in the two gap, the 3 down linemen account for 6 of the gap assignments and the 4 backers are only left with the remaining “D” gap to fill. That leaves 3 linebackers to to rush or fill.
In the one gap, the 3 down linemen account for only 3 of the 7 gaps, and the other 4 gaps are assigned to the 4 linebackers. One could argue that in the one gap, there is more freedom to rush more because each player only has to worry about a single gap, while in the two gap the 3 down linemen have to wait to see which of their two gaps might be used and then if they are sure it is OK to go, then they can come.
I think the zero, one or three techniques can still be used in a two gap, or one gap scheme, and so the way they lineup, (Over and Under), can not be used to perfectly determine if they are in one or two gap responsibilities…
I dont believe Over and Under adresses the gap responsibilities. I could be wrong and if I am, I will be grateful for clarification.
Rafael, Your opinion I respect more than most,
However, having said that, my understanding is that Wades Father Bum, invented the one-gap 3-4 defense and all that I have read is about how Wade is the only one to install a “full time” one gap 3-4. He installed it in San Diego, and he installed it here.
In the two gap, the NT plays the zero-technique, where he lines up directly in front of the Center, and his job is to keep the OL off the linebackers so they can make plays.
But, in the one gap 3-4, the NT plays the one-technique where he is in the “A” gap, and since he only has that single gap responsibility, he is allowed to shoot the gap and play in the backfield.
I have read in many, many places that while other teams may go into the one gap on occasion, they are by far all two gap 3-4’s and only us and the Chargers are true one gap schemes.
I am more about finding out if I am right, than being stubborn and being wrong, so if anyone can show me links to where any of the 3-4 teams other than us and San Diego play the one gap, I would be most appreciative.
Now I realize that wikipedia can be a questionable source, however it is a source that is easily challenged and can be updated to insure it is correct, and wikipedia, indicates that “Other 3-4 teams (such as the San Diego Chargers and the Dallas Cowboys) primarily make each lineman responsible for only one gap.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3%E2%80%934_defense
Again, this is not the only place on the web that I have read that indicates that almost all 3-4 teams but the Cowboys and Chargers, (Wade Phillips installed one gap), use the two gap.
Now, again the others may use the one gap on occasion but they are primarily two gap 3-4’s based upon what I have researched.
Rafael, I totally respect your opinion over mine, so please help me with links, I can easily be pursuaded with facts.
Update....
I just found a link that says that the Steelers are also “primarily” a one gap 3-4 also. So, now I know of three teams.
This link also says that Parcells and Belichick are big on the two gap 3-4.
Look no further
Raf has already explained the Phillips 3-4 in great detail: What’s a Phillips 3-4
by One.Cool.Customer on Jun 24, 2010 7:03 AM CDT up reply actions
But I already knew what a Phillips 3-4 was,
My question is about the other teams that are not the Chargers or the Cowboys.
My understanding was that Wade’s Father was the one who invented the one gap and everybody else with the exception of the Steelers switching to the one gap, the Chargers and Cowboys were the only ones that run the true one gap as the primary scheme. The other teams running the 3-4 are using the typical Huge NT and playing the two gap.
Where can I find just how many teams are actually using the one gap most, if not all the time?
But I already knew what a Phillips 3-4 was,
My question is about the other teams that are not the Chargers or the Cowboys.
My understanding was that Wade’s Father was the one who invented the one gap and everybody else with the exception of the Steelers switching to the one gap, the Chargers and Cowboys were the only ones that run the true one gap as the primary scheme. The other teams running the 3-4 are using the typical Huge NT and playing the two gap.
Where can I find just how many teams are actually using the one gap most, if not all the time?
And if Haynesworth at the Skins was in the one gap,
he should not be as unhappy as he is.
Again, I know that a lot of teams will utilize the one gap occasionally, but how many use it most of the time?
i think Ware is the best at his position 100% sure
and Ratliff, as foyesboys pointed out, plays a one gap NT, think just two teams play one gap 3-4, surely he’s the best NT on one gap schemes but in two gap 3-4 there’s Hloti Ngata
Got me on that one. My Excel version was set to German or rather European decimals. Fixed.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jun 22, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Your excel actually copies and pastes correctly on here?
I gave up on trying to make tables for this website (and thus Fanposts as well). Excel didn’t work and it didn’t like my HTML tables either, although IE and FireFox had no problems with them.
I never copy/paste directly from Excel
I prepare the data in Excel, then create an empty html table, then copy the html code for the table to Excel where I use the combine function (=A1&B1&C1 …) to merge the Excel numbers with the html code which I then copy/paste into my posts.
Trust me, it’s easier than it sounds, and gives me nice & clean tables without all the html junk that Excel generates.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jun 22, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Well after spending 2 or 3 hours making an HTML table in Notepad and not being able to get it to post, I gave up on trying!
And this went over my head. But I’d prefer to just read your awesome posts and stop trying to make my own :)
4-3 Defenses get a lot more sacks, right?
There is a big difference between 41 and 17 sacks. That is a stat that blows me away.
by torchindefenses on Jun 22, 2010 12:17 PM CDT reply actions
Yeah, it's not really a meaningful comparison
I know OCC goes on to state that, but it probably didn’t even need to be mentioned. 4-3 defenses have 4 players on the line, not 3, and their role is totally different, as OCC states. 3-4 OLBs are akin to 4-3 DEs.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
The real acdc is with Bon Scott
by Cknbonenowison on Jun 22, 2010 12:24 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Just because the singer dies...
doesn’t mean the rest of the band should drink themselves into the ground.
I don't know if I'd call 3-4 DLs a buyers market
Maybe at the DE spots, but not at NT, where promising NTs seem to rise in the draft every year and there is a real scarcity of available 3-4 NTs on the FA or trade market.
Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.
Agree
It seems like there’s only 1-2 blue chippers in every draft and no more than that many (or less) in FA. That’s what makes finding Rat so sweet.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jun 22, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair point
The NT is certainly not a buyers market. I carelessly bunched the whole DL together in that paragraph, but I do think it applies to DEs.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jun 22, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Just gotta say, you being German and all, OCC, you didn't...
…use the word “schadenfreude” to describe the Haynesworth situation. After all, it was the foreign word of the year for 2008, according to the NYT. :D
Ha ha ha
“a malicious delight in other people’s misfortunes” is as good a translation as I’ve ever come across for the concept of Schadenfreude, but I’m keeping my German-ness in check – notice that I have not written anything about soccer in my posts, even though I was in South Africa over the weekend to watch the Germany-Serbia and Holland-Japan matches.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jun 23, 2010 1:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Great analysis!
I’m pretty new to this website; the contributors do great work – well done! GO COWBOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Welcome OC.
So we have an OC, and an OCC. What the heck is next, an O? An OCCC? A spanish Oh, si? Okay, so it was corny. I’m chuggin’ the coffee, the brain’s just not responding.
When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.
Dallas has the best set of LB's in the NFL, IMO
And a DL with no holes, plenty of depth ,and a playmaker at NT.
If Sean Lee, Jason Williams, and Brandon Williams can contribute in meaningful ways, Dallas should be playing for the Lombardi in Feb. We have a pretty sick front 7 right now.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
Not to mention some of the best offensive skill players in the league.
I hope the o-line comes along for the ride.
When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.

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