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Who Wins Games for the Cowboys: Offense or Defense?

One of the facts that may have slipped quietly off the collective consciousness of Cowboys fans across the nation is that the Cowboys are one of only three teams in the NFL that have had a winning record over the last four years. Somewhat predictably, the Colts and the Patriots are the other two franchises.

From 2006 through 2009, the Cowboys have compiled a 42-22 regular season record, a marked improvement vs the 30-34 record of the previous four years. Coinciding with the Cowboys' improvement is the emergence of Tony Romo, the brief stint of the mercurial T.O. in a silver and blue uniform and Miles Austin literally bursting onto the scene last year. Consequently, a lot of the credit for the success of the last four years has gone to the offense.

But is the Cowboys' record really only a result of their offensive prowess, or was the defense an equally strong but perhaps more underappreciated driver of these results? One way to understand the contributions of each unit is to look at 'wins over average' for each unit, and that's what we'll do after the jump.

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'Wins over average' is a metric developed by Doug Drinen at Pro-football-reference.com (PFR) in a post on adjusting QB records. I've taken his approach and modified it slightly to look at total offense and total defense.

Think back to the 7-6 win against the Redskins last November. Did the offense or the defense win that game for the Cowboys? Arguably, the defense did, because scoring 7 points (offense) is a pretty awful performance, while allowing only 6 points on two field goals (defense) is a pretty awesome performance. Instead of going with a totally subjective 'awful/awesome' rating, we approach this with a more objective, stat-based approach. This is how it works:

Assessing Awesomeness: As our measure of difficulty for the offense, we'll use points allowed, because it's a lot harder for an offense to win a game if their defense gives up 30 plus points than if they give up 10. For the defense, we'll look at points scored by their offense, as it's a lot harder to hold opposing defenses in check when your own offense is only scoring 10 points rather than 30 points.

In the table below I've crunched the number for all NFL teams for the last four years, so that's 64 games for each of the 32 teams for a total of 2,048 scores, and I've formed five clusters by points allowed/points scored and looked at the winning percentages for each.

Now, one team's points scored is the other team's points allowed, so the table below contains the same numbers for offense and defense, just reversed:


Offense vs Points Allowed Defense vs Points Scored

0-10 11-17 18-24 25-31 32+ 0-10 11-17 18-24 25-31 32+
W/L record 352-21 312-129 241-274 98-293 21-307 21-352 129-312 274-241 293-98 307-21
Win % .944 .707 .468 .251 .064 .056 .293 .532 .749 .936

How to read the table: An NFL offense almost always (352 vs 21) scores more points than the other team if the defense holds that team to less than ten points. The NFL average winning percentage is .944 in that situation. At the other end of the spectrum, when your offense scores 32 points or more, your defense is almost always (307-21) able to hold the opposing tem to fewer points for a winning percentage of .936.

Cowboys offense and wins over average: The Cowboys have a record of 17-1 over the last 4 years when the defense allowed 0-10 points. The average NFL team would be expected to also win 17 games (18 games x .944), so the Cowboys have 0 wins over average in this bracket. In the 11-17 bracket, the Cowboys have a 10-2 record, an average NFL team would be expected to win 8.5 games (12 games x .707), the Cowboys offense therefore gets 1.5 wins over average. Across all brackets, the wins over average total 7.0 for the offense as per the table below:


Dallas Cowboys Offense
Points allowed
0-10 11-17 18-24 25-31 32+ Total
W/L record 17-1 10-2 10-5 3-4 2-10 42-22
Wins over average
0 1.5 3.0 1.2 1.2 7.0

Cowboys defense: The Cowboys have a record of 1-6 over the last 4 years when the offense scored 0-10 points. The average NFL team would be expected to win 0.4 games (7 games x .056), so the Cowboys scored 0.6 wins over average in this bracket. Across all brackets, the wins over average total 3.3 for the defense as per the table below:


Dallas Cowboys Defense
Points Scored
0-10 11-17 18-24 25-31 32+ Total
W/L record 1-6 3-6 10-7 10-3 18-0 42-22
Wins over average
0.6 0.4 1.0 0.3 1.2 3.3

So statistically, the Cowboys offense generated more wins over average than the defense. The combined 10.3 wins over average ranks the Cowboys fifth in the NFL behind the Colts, Patriots, Chargers and Titans. Dallas' 10.3 wins over average are very close to their actual or 'real' wins over average: The average W/L for all NFL teams over four years is obviously 32-32, and with 42 wins over that period, the Cowboys 10 'real' wins over average are very close to the 10.3 the model delivers.

Wins over average (WOA) by NFL team, 2006-2009 (click column header to sort)

Team Wins
Losses Offense WOA Defense WOA Total 'Real' WOA Difference
Colts 51 13 15.3 10.2 25.5 19 6.5
Patriots 49 15 9.3 7.2 16.5 17 -0.5
Chargers 46 18 11.1 3.7 14.8 14 0.8
Titans 39 25 4.2 7.7 11.9 7 4.9
Cowboys 42 22 7.0 3.3 10.3 10 0.3
Giants 38 26 6.4 0.7 7.1 6 1.1
Panthers 35 29 1.0 5.3 6.3 3 3.3
Broncos 32 32 3.5 1.3 4.8 0 4.8
Saints 38 26 8.6 -3.9 4.7 6 -1.3
Bears 36 28 3.0 1.6 4.6 4 0.6
Packers 38 26 5.6 -1.4 4.2 6 -1.8
Steelers 39 25 0.5 3.3 3.8 7 -3.2
Ravens 38 26 -1.1 4.3 3.2 6 -2.8
Eagles 38 25 1.6 0.9 2.5 6 -3.5
Vikings 36 28 1.1 -0.2 0.9 4 -3.1
Cardinals 32 32 4.5 -3.9 0.6 0 0.6
Falcons 31 33 -0.2 0.6 0.4 -1 1.4
Texans 31 33 2.5 -2.2 0.3 -1 1.3
Bengals 29 34 -1.5 1.4 -0.1 -3 2.9
Jaguars 31 33 -2.1 0.2 -1.9 -1 -0.9
Seahawks 28 36 -1.0 -1.6 -2.6 -4 1.4
49ers 27 37 -2.8 -0.1 -2.9 -5 2.1
Jets 32 32 -4.4 0.5 -3.9 0 -3.9
Bills 27 37 -6.4 2.0 -4.4 -5 0.6
Browns 23 41 -5.1 -2.3 -7.4 -9 1.6
Redskins 26 38 -7.0 -0.4 -7.4 -6 -1.4
Buccaneers 25 39 -7.1 -1.3 -8.4 -7 -1.4
Dolphins 25 39 -6.0 -3.0 -9.0 -7 -2.0
Chiefs 19 45 -9.6 -5.6 -15.2 -13 -2.2
Raiders 16 48 -13.8 -4.4 -18.2 -16 -2.2
Rams 14 50 -9.0 -9.3 -18.3 -18 -0.3
Lions 12 52 -7.9 -14.8 -22.7 -20 -2.7

As you click and read your way through the table above, some things pop out: The Colts & Patriots have dominated the last four years, and for that matter, the decade. The Saints have a much better offense than defense. The Ravens have a better defense than offense. The usual suspects in the Lions, Rams, Chiefs and Raiders have some of the weakest defenses. Was the Raiders offense really that bad? Yup, looks that way.

One thing that struck me was that the difference between Total WOA and the 'real' or actual WOA was quite big in some cases, especially for the Colts, Titans, Broncos and Panthers, all with a difference of more than 3.0.

After quite some digging around, I found a stat that had all four of these teams within the top 5: Record in close games. Over the last four years, these four teams all ranked within the top five in games decided by 7 points or less:

Record in games decided by 7 points or less, 06-09
Rank Team W L %
1 Colts 28 7 .800
2 Titans 22 11 .667
3 Broncos 16 9 .640
4 Giants 16 9 .640
5 Panthers 14 8 .636

Teams that rank at the bottom of the table in Difference between Total WOA and the 'real' or actual WOA all have a record below .500 in games decided by 7 points or less.

How your team performs in tight games, on offense or defense, ultimately decides who will win the game. And that is best illustrated by comparing the Colts and the Eagles:

Records by score differential, 06-09
Tm W/L record Diff < 7points Diff >8 points
Colts 51-13 (.796) 28-7 (.800)
23-6 (.793)
Eagles 38-25-1(.593) 11-16 (.407)
27-9 (.750)

The Eagles have a W/L record in games decided by eight or more points that is surprisingly similar to that of the Colts. It's in the tight games where you can best see the difference between the teams, and where the Colts are statistically twice as good as the eagles. It could be argued therefore that the difference between the Eagles and Colts is really only their ability to win close games. Of course, having Peyton Manning instead of Donovan McNabb can't hurt one bit. Regardless, the Colts record in close games is simply ridiculous.

The Cowboys are 13-10 in games decided by 7 points or less over the last four years and rank seventh in the league with a .565 winning percentage. It will take both the offense and the defense to make sure that the Cowboys win enough of the close games in the upcoming season to make the playoffs again.

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by Seanrude on Jun 29, 2010 9:10 PM CDT reply actions  

Believe it or not....

There are a couple of other sites on the interweb where you can find pictures of cheerleaders. Not many where you can find numerical analysis that focuses on Cowboys performance. Just sayin’.

by doomsdayreturns on Jun 29, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's a running gag

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by Seanrude on Jun 29, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

I got it.

And I lol’d.

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by Brandon Worley on Jun 29, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

extra credit for the Stripes reference

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by Seanrude on Jul 5, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I feel your pain, buddy

may I therefore direct you to ColdHardFootballFact’s World Famous Cheerleader Thread – 80 pages of of the finest [site decorum].

by One.Cool.Customer on Jun 30, 2010 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

that's some fine-azz site decorum :)

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by DalaiLuke on Jun 30, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

OCC Thanks man

You always break down in numbers where I understand it too the bone. This is top of the line info in my eyes.

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by Jeff G. on Jun 29, 2010 9:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Dalla's offense wins the games.

The defense gives it away somtimes. But Dallas is still a hellafied franchise.

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by LoNJDTechnology on Jun 29, 2010 9:45 PM CDT reply actions  

What is a hellafied franchise?

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Jun 29, 2010 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol!

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 30, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Very interesting

My eyes tell me the defense is the better of the two teams. But your stats make a very interesting argument. Great article, I love it!

by Blue Eyed Devil on Jun 29, 2010 9:48 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

It's all about the BLING!

I remember many games that the Defence bailed out the offence: I also remember a few “Shoot Outs” were our Offence has come out on top and a couple were they didn’t; So, who win or loses those games? Doesn’t matter we ain’t put the right combination to get us to the Big Dance in awhile little lone win it.

by bad knees on Jun 29, 2010 10:06 PM CDT reply actions  

I think the defense is improving

and based on this, it would be just the thing for greater success.

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by dunkman on Jun 29, 2010 10:08 PM CDT reply actions  

And In Some instances

Special Teams wins the game so how would you classify that?

Crayton broke one game open with a return for a TD.

In fantasy football special teams TDs go to the D.Is that the case with these stats?

by TCB Orange Dino on Jun 29, 2010 10:17 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't include Special Teams

The benefit of stat-based analyses is that you can sometimes bend or even willfully ignore reality. Take the loss in the stadium opener to the Giants: In the method described above, the Defense lost the game because while the offense put up a lot of points, the defense failed to prevent them – but in reality it was probably Romo, and by extension the offense, not the defense, that lost the game by throwing 3 INTs.

Similarly, the impact of STs (TDs, FGs, blocked FGs, field posotion) is completely ignored in this analysis – I use two data sets, points scored and points allowed and compare them to two team units, offense and defense. No room for STs, coaching decisions, strength of opponent etc. etc.

by One.Cool.Customer on Jun 30, 2010 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

OCC.....

I understand only about half of this stuff, but it’s insanely fascinating. Thanks, once again, for shedding some light on some of the type of stats we never get to read about or study.

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by Brandon Worley on Jun 29, 2010 10:44 PM CDT reply actions  

The offense needs to step it up

Too many games, they couldnt score enough.

Im willing to give the defense a mulligan on the vikings game (I’ll bet sensabaugh plays another 10 years and never has another brain fart like he did on that long TD).

You’ve got to score points to win. Lord knows we have the talent, but its all for naught if we cant run block or protect Romo. How about it offense?

by THEjarhead on Jun 29, 2010 11:13 PM CDT reply actions  

Very Interesting OCC! But a few things make me go hmm...

Turnovers – Defenses that force turnovers will make the offense look better whereas offenses that turn the ball over will make the defense look worse.

Asymmetrical Off vs. Def. WOA results – would seem to undervalue the Dallas D:

  • Defenses overall just have lower +/- WOA ratings – only 9 defenses have WOA’s above 4 or under -4…whereas 19 offenses are above 4 or under -4
  • So, while our offense’s WOA was over twice that of our D their relative rankings were pretty close – 5th best Offensive WOA and 7th best Defensive WOA

Always love your posts OCC, and really appreciate the effort that goes into the number crunching! Just think this stat might need to be triangulated with others before reading too much into it.

by Left Coast Cowboy on Jun 30, 2010 12:55 AM CDT reply actions  

Hmmm... LCC quoting C&C music factory to OCC

things have taken a decidedly metaphysical twist here.

Agree on the turnovers, already pointed it out in one of the comments above. Also, a good point on the relative rankings – should have thought about that myself.

The assymetrical WOA results are most likely a result of my choice of scoring brackets. I chose the points brackets by starting with one TD and a FG, then successively added a TD on top to get 5 points brackets. They looked fairly symmetrical in terms of total numbers: 373 – 441 – 515 – 391 – 328, but they aren’t exact enough. I’d probably have to get an even distribution of games in all brackets for the assymmetrical WOA to disappear, but that’s too much work for now. Until then, the relative ranking is a pretty good approximation.

by One.Cool.Customer on Jun 30, 2010 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

From the start of 2006 to mid 2008

I’d say our offense won us games. Then Romo got hurt., the defense was forced to play aggressive and some of the younger guys. Since then, I would give the edge to our defense – they certainly helped us earn quite a few wins last year.

by foyesboys on Jun 30, 2010 2:36 AM CDT reply actions  

Cowboyfan729

What i mean is that Dalls is a great franchise with a decorated history in the NFL. No insult intended.

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by LoNJDTechnology on Jun 30, 2010 6:01 AM CDT reply actions  

Gotcha... Just never heard that term used

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Jun 30, 2010 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

interesting stuff occ

thanks again for all the number crunching and great analysis to keep us occupied during the football doldrums of summer!

by scottmaui on Jun 30, 2010 6:12 AM CDT reply actions  

Some Additional Thoughts

First, this was a 99th percentile post, OCC. Excellent, excellent work. Some thoughts follow:

1) Using points alone as the method of evaluating offense and defense is somewhat misleading. Some teams (though not ours!) will see their defenses score a lot or consistently put their offenses in good position due to turnovers generated.

2) Keeping the above in mind shows why I think our defense might be slightly overrated. Football Outsiders’ rankings, which take into account the success of each play and the quality of the competition, ranked our offense 3rd and defense 12th last year. Our defense is very much a “low turnover, bend-but-don’t-break” defense. There’s a cost to that strategy, in that the offense almost never starts with excellent field position. Unlike, say, the Saints, who produce a lot of turnovers, a 30 yard drive almost never gets the Cowboys into field goal range (not that it would have mattered a lot with last year’s kicker…)

3) On the other hand, I think FO’s rankings underrate our D and overrate our O. When the field shrinks in the red zone, the competitive advantage/disadvantage of line play is magnified. Our front seven is easily in the Top 5 in the NFL. Our offensive line is easily not in the Top 5, and we are particularly bad at “they know what’s coming” short yardage running plays. Also, teams blitz us with more impunity in the red zone, where Austin’s big play strengths are less helpful and Witten has to stay in to block to protect our deficient line. I shake my head when I see Davis and Gurode in the Pro Bowl, or see our line ranked highly as a unit.

by TimSchultz36 on Jun 30, 2010 8:35 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't know about points 1 and 2

Our defense didn’t do much bending or breaking last year, aside from the games our offense was so poor that they wore down late (Broncos, GB games, Minny games come to mind). We held almost every offense under their season average. They played a HUGE part in wins against the Panthers, Eagles (three times), Redskins (twice) and Saints.

Not producing turnovers is a problem, but when they prevent the opposition from scoring that consistently, the lack of turnovers isn’t as much of a problem as we make it out to be.

Point 3 I completely agree with though.

by foyesboys on Jul 3, 2010 1:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Turnovers aren't the only way that your offense and defense help/hurt eachother.

The success of your Offense and Defense are ALWAYS interdependent.
The better your defense, the more possessions they give to your offense (and more possessions = more opportunities to score). The better your offense, the more sustained drives and fewer possessions for the opponents offense (and therefore fewer opportunities for your defense to allow scores). The style of offensive play (ie. focus on running the ball/short passes vs. big play/quick strike offense) can also play a huge role in taking pressure off or putting more pressure on the defense.

I love this type of analysis because it breaks down the different parts of your football team and makes you think/rethink your objective opinions them, but it is important not to lose site of how everthing fits together in a real football game.

by Yoko Romo on Jun 30, 2010 9:11 AM CDT reply actions  

very true

You need to be good in phases of the game. In some games, maybe a certain phase will carry the other, but over all you need to be good in all phases to win consistently.

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by Terry on Jun 30, 2010 9:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

well said, YoKoRoMo :)

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by DalaiLuke on Jun 30, 2010 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I agree you need consistancy in all 3 phases

and that will win you the most games. Stats are interesting and in certain cases don’t lie but after watching every game since the NFL Ticket came out, I’d have to say my impression is usually the D plays well, giving up yardage but not many points. Then, by the 3rd qtr (in games we lose) the D is extremely tired and they get scored on (aqnd you can’t really blame them). The thing we need consistently on offense is sustained drives like we had with the triplets. Usually starts and ends with the O-line, IMO.

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by CapnComebackII on Jun 30, 2010 9:31 AM CDT reply actions  

Here's another angle on the conversation:

I decided to look at how our defense and offense performed last year against the league average, just above 20 1/2 points over recent years. I gave the offense a “Win” for scoring 21 or more, and the defense a “win” for allowing 20 or less.

                                        Offense W/L Defense W/L ACTUAL
DAL 34 @ TB 21………………….W……………..L………………..W
NYG 33 @ DAL 31……………….W……………..L…………………L
CAR 7 @ DAL 21…………………W……………..W……………….W
DAL 10 @ DEN 17………………..L……………..W………………..L
DAL 26 @ KC 20 …………………W…………….W………………..W

ATL 21 @ DAL 37 ………………..W…………….L…………………W
SEA 17 @ DAL 38 ……………….W…………….W………………..W
DAL 20 @ PHI 16 …………………L……………..W………………..W
DAL 7 @ GB 17 ……………………L……………..W………………..L
WAS 6 @ DAL 7 …………………..L……………..W………………..W
OAK 7 @ DAL 24 …………………W……………W………………..W
DAL 24 @ NYG 31 ……………….W……………L………………….L
SD 20 @ DAL 17 ………………….L……………..W………………..L
DAL 24 @ NO 17 …………………W…………….W……………….W
DAL 17 @ WAS 0 …………………L……………..W………………..W
PHI 0 @ DAL 24 …………………..W……………W………………..W

Record:……………………………..10-6…………..12-4……………..11-5

Granted, this is a broad-strokes way to look at the offense and defense, and add in the obvious caveat that Special Teams / Turnovers / etc. means the stats are skewed. Just wanted to offer a slight variation on OCC’s very thought-provoking post.

Notes of interest:

1. TWO of the defensive “losses” were by a mere 1/2 point. The only real stinkers were both to the Giants. I bet this defense can’t wait to make up for those performances! Also note the record of the defense after week two: 12-2 …against some excellent competition… impressive.

2. The offense paid for 3 of their 6 poor showings: to Green Bay, Denver and San Diego. While the defense saved them against the Skins twice and in the first Eagles game, a 20-16 victory.

3. We were NEVER blown out of a game, or even had both the Defense and Offense lose on the same day. But there’s a dark side to that story: in TEN GAMES one of the two units under-performed. That’s hardly the consistency you need to win it all.

4. On the brighter side, take a moment to savor the memories of the other six games where both defense and offense were clicking :)

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by DalaiLuke on Jun 30, 2010 9:40 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

One more thing...

You could probably give the Cowboys offense another L for the Chiefs game, as they failed to reach 21 in regulation.

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by DalaiLuke on Jun 30, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good points...

This one is especially striking:

3. We were NEVER blown out of a game, or even had both the Defense and Offense lose on the same day. But there’s a dark side to that story: in TEN GAMES one of the two units under-performed. That’s hardly the consistency you need to win it all.

The closest thing to a blowout was Green Bay, which was 17 until the late TD. Nothing like ’08. That signifies this team is tired of those meltdowns. The arse-whooping in the playoffs ought to inspire them even more so to keep games close. With the talent and experienced relationships between coaches and personnel, I would expect this team to improve on the in-game adjustments this season. Fingers crossed!

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by Aaron Novinger on Jul 1, 2010 1:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

The arse-whooping in the playoffs ought to inspire them even more so

This is the second straight year the Boys have ended their season with their worst loss. It certainly seemed to be a motivating factor last year, and you have to think it will work in their favor (humility, improvement, desire, etc.) again this season.

I thought about that GB game when I was writing this point, but forgot the Vikings and Eagles playoff games completely :)

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by DalaiLuke on Jul 1, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would guess those numbers have been trending down in the last few years.

Based on that trend I would expect them to trend downward again from last year. The offense should be more consistent, and also the defense. Romo has yet another weapon in Dez, plus Felix will get more touches, and Bennett is taking football seriously for the first time in his life.

On defense we’re replacing an ineffective starter with a better athlete. Someone that Wade feels is more suited to play his style of defense. I think Wade is already working on his gameplans, and we haven’t even started training camp. The way he’s talking, Ball has already been penciled in at safety because he brings an element to the defense that Wade feels has been missing. I would also expect better play from the DE spot this season. There’s a whole lot of guys there that are motivated to get paid.

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by White Wolf on Jul 1, 2010 5:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's hard not to think we're on the brink of a big season.

We’ve been close for several years now. And with the additions you mention, we should see an improved, focused team this season.

The only thing that could blow it all up is the O-Line, but I just don’t see it. I like the Barron trade and think our depth is more than adequate.

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by DalaiLuke on Jul 1, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

IMO the only way we're not playing in the NFC Championship game

is if the injury bug bites us bad. Otherwise this team is primed and ready to kick some serious arse this season.

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by Terry on Jul 1, 2010 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Romo trotting into Jerry's Stadium surrounded by the hoopla of a Super Bowl ... mmmmm

… yea, I’m a homer … and I like to enjoy visions of those moments for months before they come to pass. It’s too bad, the “realists” only get to enjoy it once. And then they wake up the next day and think of new things to worry about :)

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by DalaiLuke on Jul 1, 2010 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

There's a little homer in everyone on this blog, some more than others

they’re lying to you if they say otherwise. Guys like us are just more honest about it.

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by Terry on Jul 1, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

So for the last 16 orso years you've enjoyed

dreaming about winning Super Bowls as much as actually achieving that goal?
Then why bother dealing with reality-don’t read the papers or look at the blog, and just pretend they’re undefeated every year!

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by Realist Larry on Jul 2, 2010 12:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think they allow themselves that luxury, Dalai.

I’ve debated them many times. It’s not in their DNA. Whether it’s just an entrenched viewpoint, or simply refusing to believe it before they see it, it’s just their approach. Perhaps you recall the Monday night game in 1991. I think it was like week 4. The Redskins were the team that had won a lot recently, and the Cowboys were the young up and coming team. Anticipation was high even among non Cowboy and Redskins fans. It was just one of those games everyone wanted to see. The Cowboys had won nothing in their young career. Yet, everyone seemed to be predicting that it was just a matter of when they won it, not if. I remember some of my Cowboy bretheren back then saying they’d believe it when they saw it. There was a lot of criticism of Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones back in those days. If the skeptics couldn’t see it with that early 90s team, don’t expect them to see it now.

When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.

by White Wolf on Jul 2, 2010 5:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

you know how in the NCAA, they don't give Freshman of the Year awards in the conferences?

OCC wins the heralded NewComer of the Year. These are great reads.

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by KD Drummond on Jun 30, 2010 9:53 AM CDT reply actions  

totally agree... and from out of nowhere ...

You never can tell with these over-seas recruits :)

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by DalaiLuke on Jun 30, 2010 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

The main point I got was that the Colt's D is really overlooked

Interesting analysis OCC

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by Realist Larry on Jun 30, 2010 1:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Awesome way to measure awesomeness!

Personally, I see the offense as being the catalyst for success in ’07 and ’08. But now that the defense has a good blend of talent mixing with scheme, I may be leaning towards DWAre and the boys for ’09 and ’10.

Somebody up there mentioned special teams, but punt returns are a result of the defense making a stop and field goals are, pun sort of intended, offensive.

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 30, 2010 2:59 PM CDT reply actions  

Tuna Ball

Parcell’s position was you win the field position battle you usually win the game.

Hence he ran a conservative O to eliminate turnovers and control field positon with a superior kicking game.Then the D would create turnovers or sacks that would shorten the field for the offense.

I agree with his thinking to a point but feel a team must take some shots downfield to keep the D honest.If coaches see a tendency by the other D throw in a fleaflicer, WR reverse or the wildhog.

My point being that while playing field position ball the stats of your offense would be pretty crappy compared to teams like Indy.I’ll always use the Ravens as an example of this type of stratagey working when thay won the Super Bowl with a QB with a rag arm and lead feet.

by TCB Orange Dino on Jun 30, 2010 4:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Tuna Tuna Tuna

Parcell’s problem is that that was a great strategy in 1988 or 1990.
It doesn’t work today, there are too many edges given to the offense these days.

Not to mention his little head games don’t work in the modern era of free agency and 24 press coverage.
He did help bring some ‘organization’ to this organization, though, and get the scouting under control. Thank goodness the drafting’s been better lately, because that’s how you live or die in the NFL!

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Jul 1, 2010 12:06 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

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by HudBaby on Jul 2, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Excellent, thought-provoking but in the end

All I can grasp is that 18 is the border of happy land for both squads. But I don’t think of them as 2 teams; they are 2 parts of one team. There’s no doubt that the d stepped up last year. How you divide the credit is sometimes arbitrary because you don’t beat an average you beat the other team That Day by having more (or allowing fewer) points when the clock stops.

Having said that 18 points is obviously where the fun starts for both units. (who woulda thought a rugby score)

Opponents’ 4th qtr points were huge. Now that stat from last season hit me in the gut.

by 42itus on Jun 30, 2010 6:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Sorry, but this is meaningless

I love statistics as much as the next guy, but there is one little thing that shoots holes in any argument such as this: worthless scores at the end of a game. When a team has a two, or particularly a three score lead, it becomes a clock issue, not a scoring issue. Team A is more than willing to give up useless points as the losing team moves slowly down the filed, burning up the clock. So when the Cowboys have an 18 point lead, the defense will relax and give up a TD it would otherwise try not to if the game were still on the line. Similarly, when the Cowboys are down, they may score a meaningless TD. Sometimes, this is just to let the second string get on the field and get some valuable gametime experience.
   It may sound cliche, but it’s a team sport. Sure, when the Cowboys beat the ‘Skins 7-6, the offense was horrible. But they scored the winning TD when they had to. And didn’t the Giants beat us more so because the punt team gave up a late return for a TD? Was that the defense’s fault? And how about an INT or fumble return for a TD? That’s Romo giving up points, not the defense. But it counts against the defense in your formula.

by Jayddrew on Jun 30, 2010 9:49 PM CDT reply actions  

I don't think anyone is professing these numbers are the end all be all and perfectly reflect reality.

The reason it is significant or at least worth a post is because on a large scale it is very interesting to track winning versus points scored and points against (regardless of the methods of obtaining those points) for the Cowboys and every team in the NFL (and then of course to find the average to compare against). Through this model we can further examine how the Cowboys’ tendencies match up against the league’s. Is it perfect? No it sure isn’t. That doesn’t however make it “meaningless.” It simply is an interesting numerical comparison to lend some insight outside of the subjective realm that we usually deal in on this blog.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Jun 30, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Grades

I’d rather you just go game by game and give grades to the offense, the defense and the special teams. Sure, it’s subjective. But most stats can be manipulated and there are way too many variables. For instance, the offense gets 7 points whether it was a 99 yard drive or a five yard drive after a turnover. Same for the defense.

by Jayddrew on Jun 30, 2010 9:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Suggestions, suggestions, suggestions.

Grades can be just as manipulated as stats.

Is it me or has the criticism of articles and FPosts fueled the debates in the comments section more than actual debates on the topic at hand? I can see challenging a premise every once in a while, but nearly every single published piece here lately has somebody saying shoulda, woulda, coulda.

“Change a word. Change a stat. Look this up instead of that.”

Are the Pulitzer nominations coming up or something? I am not saying everybody has to agree with every post, but saying “this is meaningless” in the subject line takes the debate of the content away and focuses the comments onto critically analyzing the writer’s article vs. those defending it.

The high degree of participation and level of football-related passion for the Cowboys is what drove me to this blog and why I have stuck to it. The comments section is the lifeforce. When I read other comments sections in other blogs, they are full of criticism towards the writers and/or their articles. Also, FanPosts and FanShots are a unique aspect. Got a good idea? Try typing it out instead of telling somebody else what you would have rather seen in their article.

Not trying to pick on you, J, but I’ve just noticed this type of criticism a lot lately and I’m hoping this is just some offseason phase or something.

And by the way, any scores count towards the defense in MOST formulas, not just the one atop.

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 30, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Especially with stats, it's fun to question certain angles, but stupid to criticize.

With these posts by OneCC it’s always possible to say “What about this or that”.
I think he, and any intelligent reader, know that every one of these pieces can only look at one aspect of the game, and that none are conclusive.
He pretty much says that each time.

I like your points above: “Pulitzer”. It’s a football blog, calm down!
“Comments” that add something. Disagree, point out another side, but don’t just say it’s worthless.
“Fanshots”-Do your own!

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Jul 1, 2010 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

"Conclusive"

That’s the word I was looking for…thanks Larry!

Not all can be covered in a single post, especially when it comes down to statistics. And we all know that football is full of statistics. Heck, I’m sure the winning percentage of teams that lead the league in QB kneel downs will support the fact that teams that protect their lead until the clock strikes 0:00 win an overwhelming majority of those games. But obvious crap like that isn’t gonna blow my mind away like the stuff up there.

Before I read this, I had know idea the Cowboys were up there with the Colts, Pats, and Chargers in regards to winning percentages on various levels. Nor did I know the Titans (thanks in large to their defense) are right up there with the rest of ’em.

My question is: What’s up with the AFC dominance? It doesn’t seem as if the NFC has any more clunker teams than its NFL counterpart. Notice that the big arms in the AFC have their teams up there, which leads me to believe that perhaps defenses in that conference have acquired more and more talent to stop those guys.

With the Colts and Pats’ defenses in the midst of trying to keep up with their offenses, perhaps the playing field will even out more this year. Teams like the Jets and Ravens are currently known more for their defenses than their QB success.

When it comes to SuperBowls, though, the AFC teams have not been as fortunate as their overall winning percentages in recent years. But it is encouraging that Dallas is the sole NFC team that has sustained success in this span. If a team like the Saints continues its success, we may have a new out-of-division rivalry on our hands really soon.

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 1, 2010 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Which would be exciting (the NO rivalry)

but I wish them bad luck! Because after last year, there is nothing to settle for but SB appearances for next few years. I want the Boys to get back in!
Last year, winning a playoff game was enough, for me at least.
Now this team is seasoned and talented, and I have that feeling from the past, that nothing will satisfy except going all the way.

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Jul 1, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Way to nip it in the bud, Bud.

Part of what drove me here is the distinct lack of disdain on this site. I came here because I was sick of the endless bickering and negativity at certain other sites. I was broadsided by the level of insight and thought-provocation. I am still here because you guys are funnier than shit and know something about the game of football. I’ve had occasion to look back at some historic posts lately, and you, Mr. Novinger, have a certain way of policing this site that I have come to appreciate. Grassy-ass, and bravo! No offense to the poster that started this particular string, just an appreciation for the keeping it real approach from Aaron. You da dude, man. You da dude.

When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.

by White Wolf on Jul 1, 2010 6:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

I abide by the dude :)

jayddrew, just know that Aaron’s comment has been a long-time coming … as it does seem like there has been an escalation in writer-assessment comments. Hopefully this is just an offseason doldrums concern. As Wolf says, the beauty of this site is the level of discourse… Well, he would have said that if he knew what discourse meant :)

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by DalaiLuke on Jul 1, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

by the way, aaron ... excellent comment :)

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by DalaiLuke on Jul 1, 2010 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't that the scene right before dude crashed his stupid car?

When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.

by White Wolf on Jul 1, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

you think i remember stuff like that?

:)

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by DalaiLuke on Jul 1, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

The dude was one of my cult heroes.

Lebowski had it all. Women wanted to have his child, he lived life by his own rules, and nobody passed judgement on the dude. John Goodman was the perfect compliment to the dude. Think I’ll look that movie up this weekend. Thanks for reminding me of it.

When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.

by White Wolf on Jul 2, 2010 5:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

An apology

OCC and the rest of you guys, I offer my apologies. I certainly didn’t mean to come across as negative, my choice of words, including the title, were poor.
  OCC, I loved the article and hope you keep churning them out. I just disagreed with the whole premise. My brothers, brother-in-law and father-in-law can sit asround and argue the most inane point for hours on in. It’s all in fun.
   Hope I ddin’t leave a bad taste in anyone’s mouth.

by Jayddrew on Jul 1, 2010 9:04 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm glad J. I was hoping not to come off as a butthole.

We can all kick our shoes off and feel like home here!

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Jul 2, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jayddrew

I read your replys and I think you put forward a logical response to the article, not that I am a creditable authority in logical responses; however, articles, especially articles written during the slow times are penned to get responses and generate intelligent discussion between the readers. When one posts articles based on statisics, it’s hard to argue the facts of the numbers; however, numbers can be manipulated to prove the pros or cons of any point a person wants to make; thus you arguing the manner in which the numbers were assembled was perfectly valid and exactly in spirt with this blog.

by bad knees on Jul 1, 2010 9:52 PM CDT reply actions  

Very good points, bad knees

and no worries Jayddrew, no offense taken. Here are a couple of random thoughts about our site and the role each one of us has in it:

BTB is much more about the members than it is about the front page writers. Sure, I first joined because of the great stuff that Raf and Dave were pumping out with an amazing ease, but I got engaged in the site because of the great debates that I wanted to contribute to. In the end, the frontpagers and some others on this board help keep things moving along and ultimately serve the membership.

The members are the driving force of this blog and the front page stories are usually very good and probably some of the best Cowboys stuff out there, but the comments and comment threads they generate are the heart and soul of the site. This is particularly evident in the fanpost and fanshot section which is basically run by the members and generates at least as much discussion as the front page.

Accessibility is a key differentiator for this and other SB nation sites. If you like what you read (and in the few and far-in-between cases that you don’t) you have a direct line to the author. More often than not, the author will respond to you. That is a level of accessibility you will not get with any type of mainstream media. At the same time, that accessibility also requires respect for the author, even more for the author of a fanpost than a frontpager.

This is often something that new members still have to learn, as most of the boards they have come here from are hate-spewing boards of other media empires. Around here, we enjoy a good debate, we love heated arguments, but we do not tolerate any type of personal attacks.

Our members here are some of the most knowledgeable and witty fans you’ll ever meet, and each single comment are held to a high standard: Argue your point well, be insightful or entertain us – but don’t bore us.

by One.Cool.Customer on Jul 2, 2010 1:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

This is a great blog BUT

whycome does it sometimes not let you post a response? I used to think it was aimed at certain bloggers to screw with their mids, but I don’t really have a mind, so it can’t be that…

FREE THE OGLETREE!!!

by dunkman on Jul 3, 2010 2:09 PM CDT reply actions  

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