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Around SBN: NFL Safety Ryan Clark's Motivational Workout

Ten pounds lighter and noticeably quicker in the OTAs, Marion Barber is looking towards a healthy 2010 season. Coach Skip Peete also wants him running smarter.

Remember these quotes by Emmitt Smith and Tony Dorsett about Barber's running style? Sounds like the two greats may be getting their wish this year.

"I think he spends a lot of energy that may not be necessary," Smith said. "For a starting back, I'm all about putting your heart into it, but you're doing a lot of kicking, running up, bucking and you're exerting a lot of energy.

"We need you for four quarters. And I'm going to say 'we' because I'm a Cowboy, too. We need you for four quarters."

Dorsett also spoke to Barber about taking unnecessary contact.

"I like him a whole lot," Dorsett said. "My only concern is that this is a very physical league. ...When you take a lot of hits over a period of time, it takes its toll on you. I just hope he becomes a little wiser and smarter about some of the hits he takes."

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Barber

is probably one of my favorites All Time Cowboys. Love watching him run. Look forward to seeing what the 10 lb loss will do for his game.

by Dub_TC on Jun 5, 2010 9:21 AM CDT reply actions  

This is really lame to say...

But it’s a different league now, and running backs by committee are by far more common than the San Diego LT and now Sproles work horse systems. Those guys are just so rare these days, the Cowboys need to stick with the three-headed monster approach until they find that next epic back.

Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.

by Lord Humungus on Jun 5, 2010 9:26 AM CDT reply actions  

It may be different

but that doesn’t change the point that MBIII can be more efficient, spare his body and still be effective.

FREE THE OGLETREE!!!

by dunkman on Jun 5, 2010 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

My intellect never recovered from having mine pulled.

I used to have like an 80 IQ or something before that damn dentist got to me.

FREE THE OGLETREE!!!

by dunkman on Jun 5, 2010 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

My cheeks swelled like I had golfballs in them.

From 10th grade:

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 5, 2010 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

You look completelly different without your cap . . .

but I can see the resemblance. :-)

"We'll see." --Bill Parcells

by Uncle Angus on Jun 5, 2010 12:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can’t decide which of these posts is funniest :)

Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly

by DalaiLuke on Jun 6, 2010 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

ALLLLLL-VIN!!!!

Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly

by DalaiLuke on Jun 6, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

They should get guys to do the NFLN late season Thursday night games.

They could take over for Matt Millen and that other bloke.

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 6, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

More like

AAAAAA-RON!!!!!!!!!!!

FREE THE OGLETREE!!!

by dunkman on Jun 6, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

+22

I did a lot of reading on Emmitt Smith recently (ahhh, the memories), and it donned on me that what he did may not be repeated in our lifetimes.

11 season of 1000+ yards IN A ROW? Who in today’s league can sustain that long. Even back then the over/under career average for an RB was 3 years. And in today’s game, guys have to contend with sharing the load and playing in a pass-oriented league.

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 5, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'm not sure we'll ever see that again

unless the rules change to favor running, which I also don’t see happening.

FREE THE OGLETREE!!!

by dunkman on Jun 5, 2010 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

I blame it all on the Arena League.

Damn 60-point scorin’ Desperados.

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 5, 2010 9:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

That's funny.

Especially with the billions in revenue the NFL is producing, along with the rise of fantasy football, we may have seen the last of the RB as a marquee position. Great, more WR diva attitudes!

by selke99 on Jun 6, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

I doubt any back will ever break Emmitt's record

The dude would certainly would have to be a physical freak, thats for sure. I really don’t know of any back playing today that could even sniff Emmitt’s record…it should be safe, maybe within our lifetime.

Certainly up there with Cy Young’s total win record as a record that will probably never be broken.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 5, 2010 11:59 AM CDT up reply actions  

Probably unlikely anyone will duplicate or surpass what Emmitt Smith did

I thought LT had a shot, but he really seemed burned out after 2007.

If you look at Emmitt’s career stats, he almost had 13 straight 1,000 yd seasons, that’s just mind blowing.

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Jun 5, 2010 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I totally agree

To break Emmitt’s record, a RB would have to average 1,500 yards for at least 12 years, to me in this day and age of RB by committee and the way backs take hits, I can’t see it happening.

Same with Cy Young’s 511 wins, a pitcher would have to average 25 wins for 20 seasons….not happening.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 7, 2010 6:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Doesn't Cy Young also own the record for most complete games?

That one has absolutely NO CHANCE to be touched in the modern game.

Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly

by DalaiLuke on Jun 7, 2010 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Aaron, any chance you can do a VRR-style post that highlights some of Emmitt's stuff?

Maybe videos with stuff previously / currently written? Could make a cool series, maybe the triplets or like that. I’m really quite talented at creating work for other people :)

Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly

by DalaiLuke on Jun 6, 2010 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

btw, agree on all of it - original and replies

Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly

by DalaiLuke on Jun 6, 2010 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good idea...no great idea!

Did an HOF Emmitt article for the Maple St. mag that’s coming out.

While we’re fast approaching his induction, I reckon I ought to put together some sort of “Countdown to…” series—sponsored, of course, by DalaiLuke & the Thai St. Band.

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 6, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

seriously, if you saw my attempts at karaoki, you wouldn't suggest that

though who cares about my singing? … you’d be too mesmerized by the 20 back-up singers (we wanted to cut it down to only 10, but at these prices…?

Aaron, I think Grizz gave us some teasers from last year’s magazine? BTBers should get a few early glimpses! And is there gonna be a cheerleader spread? May you should just be in charge of hiring girls to model the BTB shirts … no, wait … maybe I SHOULD BE IN CHARGE of that part :)

Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly

by DalaiLuke on Jun 6, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure Grizz will be doing some Mag teasers soon like last year.

Those were fun.

And I don’t know if the DCC are contractually able to fraternize with bloggers. I believe they are only allowed to try their best to get us to ogle them. Perhaps we can inquire it of some from the past?

And I’m working on getting Lindsey Soto to model the BTB shirts and maybe byedawk for the men’s apparel.

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 6, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bi-Dawk

actually models both genders…

FREE THE OGLETREE!!!

by dunkman on Jun 6, 2010 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

ROFL

Hopefully it’s not like those Roethlisberger shirt and underwear models. Blech!

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Jun 6, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol!

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 6, 2010 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hilarious

that cheerleader gives good back bend

Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly

by DalaiLuke on Jun 6, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree to the extent that workhorse is defined as a guy who logs 330-360 carries.

On the other hand, I don’t define guys like Ray Rice last year (254 carries, 78 receptions) or Marshall Faulk in his prime as workhorses because even though those totals equal out to 340 touches overall I’m guessing touches via reception don’t exert quite the same toll as a rushing attempt because these are situations where they’re isolated on only a single defender they have to beat before they break free into the last level of the defense.

If Felix is really worthy of his high draft status, he should be at the point next season where he’s able to handle at least 230 carries and 40 or so receptions.

by MadMick on Jun 5, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damn,

just when I was getting going on my “Barber to Fullback” shtick…

Deaf as a stone, dumb as a Bohr.

by Deef Chief on Jun 5, 2010 10:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Don't fret too much.

That schtick had even less meat on it than Ratliff to DE.

by MadMick on Jun 5, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Meat on a schtick?

Schtickkebap?

FREE THE OGLETREE!!!

by dunkman on Jun 5, 2010 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Any quality time over 6 or 7 years Dallas gets out of Barber is gravy IMO.

With his running style and the chances of more injuries with age, it’s hard to think he will be around at 28 – 30 years old. This is his 6th season, I hope I’m wrong.

by DIRE WOLF on Jun 5, 2010 11:20 AM CDT reply actions  

Even the 2 good years were gravy for a guy picked in the 4th

It was a great pick, he gave the team all he had….
But the contract was Jerry stupid again.

Not Roy Williams-Jerry-stupid, but probably #2 behind that.

But Barber’s declining, and since he’s on a team w/2 better RB’s, he should be getting phased out.
The team doesn’t owe him anything, that’s for sure. Let him prove he’s better than Choice and Jones, then put him on the field. Otherwise, he’s a great 3rd-stringer to have as insurance. On some other teams he’d be a strarter, but not in Dallas.

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Jun 5, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it's really easy to say that Jerry was stupid for that move...

but Barber had Dallas by the cajones at the time.

If Barber hadn’t showed up, Dallas would have rolled into the season with 2 rookie runningbacks.

If anything, it was smart tactics from Barber.

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jun 5, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

No he didn't

No RB has a team by the Balls-
They are the easiest position to replace in the NFL.
Look at all the guys from out of nowhere who produce for teams.

It was easy for me to say it then, too. I was prescient, what can I say.

And that’s without even mentioning Barber’s style, which anyone paying attention should have seen was going to wear him down more quickly than even other RB’s..

I said it at the time, a few others did, and I’ll bet you even Jerry would say it was dumb and will never sign a RB long term again.

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Jun 5, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes and no

I think we all agree that it wasn’t the best move monetarily. But remember that Jerry really thought they were poised for a SB run. Given that and no decent RB alternatives on the roster, MBIII certainly had some leverage. In retrospect it was a bad move and one Jones wouldn’t make again. But at the time it only mildly raised eyebrows among fans and media.

FREE THE OGLETREE!!!

by dunkman on Jun 6, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Actually we had Barber by the balls.

We’d assigned him a First and Third tender. He was going to be with us in 08 regardless. Then we drafted Felix and Tashard. They could have paid Barber his first and third money for 08 and then looked at his contract after that season.

There’s no way Barber would have got a 7 year $40+ million dollar contract after 08. If he stubbornly insisted he was worth that much we could have happily let him go and moved forward with Jones and Choice knowing both showed great potential their rookie years.

We had an ideal situation and Jerry jumped the gun and paid marquee money to a guy who never has been or will be a full-time RB.

by Luke. on Jun 5, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's fair enough.

Although, you still had two rookies that you didn’t know how they are going to be.

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jun 5, 2010 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

you are right that they'd be relying on 2 rookies

but at RB I’m doing that ver a $24 Mill guarentee
Not any other position, maybe, but RB, sure.

Also, don’t forget-MB was untested too! He’d produced big on limited snaps. THere was no reason to believe he wouldn’t bomb either or be any better than Julius Jones, once he got more carries.

Troy Hambrick, anyone?

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Jun 5, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's true.

I wouldn’t say he’s been Troy Hambrick though. He’s still had productive games as a Dallas Cowboy.

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jun 5, 2010 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh yeah, I wouldn't put him in that category at all

I was just making the comparison that, the Pro Bowl invite notwithstanding, you really didn’t know what you’d get from him with 350 carries.

Hambrick’s in a class of his own as the backup who couldn’t.

I’m not MB hater, I keep saying I love the guy’s attitude and he had a couple of decent years, but at this point I don’t expect him to regain his form.

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Jun 6, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Me neither.

Entirely, but he was effective at the first of the season last year. If you could just get that Marion Barber, I’d be fine with that.

I mean, the money is being paid anyways. So you might as well hope he succeeds.

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jun 6, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

he made the pro bowl

that was a big bargaining chip for MB III. After parting with Julius, if Jerry wanted to sign him before the draft, he had to pay him as a pro bowl caliber starter. In that sense he got a good deal.

by speedmetal on Jun 6, 2010 3:04 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Troy and Darren Hambrick should have formed a WWF tag team together.

They could have rivaled the British Bulldogs or something.

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 6, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

Watching MB3's running style

is exciting but never gave you the impression that he would have a long career

"Talent is God-given; be humble. Fame is man-given; be grateful. Conceit is self-given; be careful." John Wooden

by 082288 on Jun 5, 2010 12:09 PM CDT reply actions  

yup

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Jun 5, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Eh

I still want el Gato to start.

Before you ask why I'm a fan of both the Cowboys and Jets, I'll just say the answer is complicated and that it just turned out that way.

by Grady90 on Jun 5, 2010 1:34 PM CDT reply actions  

Why does the start/nonstart thing even matter?

Felix will have more touches than Barber this year, it was already shifting to him having more touches by the end of the year.

I don’t care who touches the ball at the beginning of the game, just who gets the most opportunities.

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jun 5, 2010 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

OK

I want ‘El Gato’ to have WAY more touches than Barber by the end of the year.
About twice as much.

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Jun 5, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

when you think about how much more talented Felix is than Julius Jones, why not go back to the mix of '07?

Barber seems to be an excellent closer back. Maybe it’s just the Peter Principle at work?

Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly

by DalaiLuke on Jun 6, 2010 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Peter Principle?

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 6, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

has to do with eating pickled peppers before the game

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Jun 6, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Gotcha.

Like the Eagles did in that home opener in Dallas.

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 6, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

For the love God, Aaron

don’t ask D-Luke a question like that…

FREE THE OGLETREE!!!

by dunkman on Jun 6, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Peter Principle?

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 6, 2010 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

OGM I can't even type I'm laughing so hard.

and for the record, my peter’s principled :)

Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly

by DalaiLuke on Jun 6, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

So I've got it right?

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 6, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think I need to take the 5th or consult a lawyer here

Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly

by DalaiLuke on Jun 6, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Peter Principle = You get promoted to the level of your incompetence

The poster is saying that Marion was promoted from the “closer” because he was such a great closer. But he’s not a great feature back.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Jun 6, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

once again you take all the fun out of it with a dose of reality :)

Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly

by DalaiLuke on Jun 7, 2010 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

The obvious solution

Don’t see how anyone could argue against this.

by selke99 on Jun 6, 2010 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it makes a difference

because Barber is at his best when he is rested versus a tired, worn out defense due to his punishing running style. I wonder what Barber’s stats are on the first and maybe second offensive series of games, and whether his avg. improves as the game goes along (fun with football sabremetrics!). Maybe it’s just my failing eyeball test, but it is frustrating to see him at the beginning of games get stopped at the line or for a loss. Didn’t Dallas also have trouble scoring out of the gate last year (except for the NO game)?

by selke99 on Jun 6, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't this the death story of every player?

When the talking point is about his weight? It’s like the admission that he’s gone downhill and there’s nothing worth bringing up.

Do you hear about Dez’s weight? No, you hear about his hands.
Do you hear about Felix’s weight? No, you hear about his speed

by Blue Eyed Devil on Jun 5, 2010 4:09 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

Ummm no.

He’s a 26 year old runningback with low mileage. This isn’t some over the hill runningback. He still had a 4.4 average last year.

If it adds a little bit of speed to him, I think it’s worth noting.

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jun 5, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

His legs are gone. Did you see him last year?

He was running through molasses. Those thighs are worn out.

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Jun 5, 2010 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

He did have some leg injuries last year and that no doubt contributed.

My hope is that with fresh, healed legs and a lighter frame Barber can regain some spring in his step.

by Luke. on Jun 5, 2010 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

I don’t know how he’s going to be, but he was running with injuries last year.

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jun 5, 2010 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

And running with injuries the year before that...

And that’s why we’re talking about his weight instead of his speed and explosion… Because he doesn’t have those things anymore.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Jun 6, 2010 2:40 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I'm not convinced Barber is so worn out.

If nagging injuries are again the concern this year then I’ll concede. But I’m psyched to hear he’s lost weight, though I don’t think it will radically change his style.

Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly

by DalaiLuke on Jun 6, 2010 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Losing weight speaks volumes about his committment

I think he’s being proactive about his career, and I bet we’ll see him play smarter. He had a poor year last year, no doubt, but he’s still trying to get better and not just pick up a check. I might have my mandatory off-season homer goggles on, but he’s far from done.

Movie Reference

by accidental innuendo on Jun 6, 2010 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm with you.

Barber may not be a 1,200 yard back, but he’ s been splitting carries since college and still has a ton of grit, talent, and is a respected member of this team. He has a role and isn’t the type of guy caught up in numbers.

He’s a football player, and I think that’s all Wade wants.

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 6, 2010 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

and …

he’s far from done

exactly

Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly

by DalaiLuke on Jun 6, 2010 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

not to mention

How solid he is in pass protection. With changes on the line having a back you can count on to protect Romo is hugely important. I think marion will contribute a lot to this team this year

by WAREwolf94 on Jun 6, 2010 4:07 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

+24

He’s had nagging injuries, not the devastating type injuries. At his young age and relatively low # of carries, he should still have plenty left in the tank. The key for him is just to stay healthy this season.

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Jun 7, 2010 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's purely speculation.

He was tearing up the Giants this year and looked great before he went down with an injury.

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jun 6, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

No man I didn't see him at all.

I mean except for on televison every week and the two games I went to see live.

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jun 5, 2010 8:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

That counts then, OK

I’m just off the Barber wagon, always loved the guy’s attitude but never felt he’d last anyways.
Those injuries will linger, IMO, that’s the thing.
Legs are a RB’s heart and soul.

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Jun 5, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

don't count on it ... see: old dog new tricks theory.

Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly

by DalaiLuke on Jun 6, 2010 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

peter principle, old dog/new tricks

Did you get a book of pithy sayings off Amazon?
lol

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Jun 6, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL and I wrote a letter home this week that had too much of that too...

I think I might need a vacation from my vacation :)

Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly

by DalaiLuke on Jun 6, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Emmitt Smith makes a great point here;

"I think he spends a lot of energy that may not be necessary," Smith said. "For a starting back, I’m all about putting your heart into it, but you’re doing a lot of kicking, running up, bucking and you’re exerting a lot of energy."

This is very true. What he’s talking about is the after whistle stuff. It’s 2nd and 8, Barber has a three yard run and hops up kicking, yelling and thrashing his arms about. I’ve got no problem with players celebrating or trying to fire their teammates up but honestly Barber just looks silly a lot of times and Smith is right, it’s a waste of energy. Put that effort into your runs.

by Luke. on Jun 5, 2010 7:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah and he did that ALOT this year.

Like it like like he was doing the worm sometimes.

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jun 5, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think he's referring to MBIIIs style of running?

Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly

by DalaiLuke on Jun 6, 2010 8:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

Losing the weight to be quicker is an indication Barber is giving up on that bruising style.

The problem is MB isn’t going to suddenly become a speed back. I’d really like to see Felix and Tashard as our primary runners anyway. Because of the money Barber makes he’s not long for this team, just like RW.

When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.

by White Wolf on Jun 5, 2010 7:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Money Quote :)
Because of the money Barber makes he’s not long for this team, just like RW.

… truer words hard to find.

Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly

by DalaiLuke on Jun 6, 2010 8:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Imo, Barber seems like a guy who would restructure if the team needed him to.

He’s not gonna get a $6-7 million per year deal from some other team.

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 6, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

I hope it doesn't come to that, it would mean he didn't have a great year.

Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly

by DalaiLuke on Jun 6, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

True.

I would just never want to see him in another uniform.

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 6, 2010 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

someone mentioned above about seeing Choice want to cut and run ...

While I wouldn’t blame him, I hope we keep all three for another couple of years. Then when this whole MBIII worn-out argument starts to come to fruition Choice will still be fresh.

Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly

by DalaiLuke on Jun 6, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Emmitt Smith

Emmitt was the smartest, most efficient RB I’ve ever seen. That is one of the main reasons he is the most productive RB of all time. He never took unnecessary contact, always seemed to fall forward at the end of runs, and rarely took a big hit. His durability was not luck. He had great skill in protecting his body while maximizing his runs. Marion can certainly learn something there.

Having said that, I want Barber to run with the same bruising style he always has, just for fewer carries per game. We don’t need him to be a workhorse like Emmitt was. Emmitt never had any kind of viable backup to share carries with him. The best were Chris Warren and Troy Hambrick, and neither was as good as Felix Jones, or even Tashard Choice. Use a little more discretion, Marion, but continue to be Marion the Barbarian for certain times in games. Recipe for Cowboys running game success: lots of Felix, mix in Choice, and then Marion as the closer.

by East Bay Ray on Jun 5, 2010 8:32 PM CDT reply actions  

Agreed

While Emmitt took his fair share of big hits, he knew when the take the big hit and when to avoid it. He was also one of the more elusive runners many defenders had ever seen to that point. Not as elusive as Barry Sanders, but not too far behind either. That spin move and jump cut really helped him avoid taking a lot of bigger shots that were aimed at him.

Here’s a neat video of his highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvEXqWcouBg

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Jun 5, 2010 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thank you for that

That video brought a big smile to my face. Ah, the brilliance of Emmitt. He didn’t have the athletic freakishness of a Chris Johnson with his speed, or an Adrian Peterson with his….well, everything, but he had those instincts of a great runner. How many times in that video did a defender have him lined up for a big hit only to see Emmitt make a subtle shift to avoid it? Watch and learn, Marion, but I’m not sure that kind of thing can be taught.

by East Bay Ray on Jun 5, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, Emmitt's slow compared to the likes of those guys.

But his breakaway speed was still far better than Barber’s. Maybe it’s just me but Choice’s running style reminds me more of Emmitt than the other two backs. Choice isn’t lightning fast like Felix but once he breaks into the open field he is capable of running away from the pack.

by MadMick on Jun 5, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's what I've always thought.

Choice also has that extra subtle shake and bake ability that Emmitt had (though not to the same degree).

by mdlusk on Jun 5, 2010 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

same here

Choice is certainly the most Emmitt-like of our backs. I think he has a pretty similar style. I keep wondering if we’re missing out on something great by not starting Choice. After destroying the mighty Steelers run defense in ‘07, he hasn’t been given much opportunity. I don’t know how you make that call with the talent we have, but it’s a nagging feeling.

by speedmetal on Jun 6, 2010 3:12 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I 100% agree

it’s a shame Choice doesn’t get more carries (which are going to Barber). Just speculating, but I can see him getting frustrated if he is again in the same role this year (3rd string back with 0-5 touches a game) and leaves and prospers with another team. Have we seen or heard anything from the coaches that makes us think this year will be any different. It is really early though.

Damn, football season can’t come soon enough.

by selke99 on Jun 6, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not just that but

similar balance and vision, both chose creases well and seemed to stay on their feet after contact. Emmitt was obviously better but Choice has similar traits.

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by dunkman on Jun 6, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

it's very true

IMHO Choice is an improvement over 10-15 starters in this league.

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by DalaiLuke on Jun 6, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree with you Mick, Choice reminds me a little bit of Emmitt also

They both have great vision and like to cut to daylight without dancing around.

I think Choice will be replacing MB3 in 2011 or 2012. His rookie contract is up after 2011 (if the new CBA is in place) so Dallas has a decision to make at that time about what to do with MB3 and Choice.

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by APerfectStar on Jun 7, 2010 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Absolutely right, it was those subtle little ducks and turns that Emmitt excelled at

and that contributed greately to his durability.

I am not sure anyone has ever done it to the level Emmitt has, but I think Marion could certainly greatly improve in this area. It needs a bit of mental shift. Maybe do it once or twice in a game to make a statement, pump up the team – or to get a critical yard for a first down etc. But for the majority of plays the RB’s goal is to AVOID being tackled. Sometimes I get the sense Marion runs into defenders rather than running into the gaps….

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by BoyfromOz on Jun 6, 2010 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

rec'd

That’s a great clip to watch!

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 6, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

awesome video

im pumped for the HOF

Really?! Really?!

by thebigham on Jun 6, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Warren was actually a borderline elite back in his prime.

1,350 yards and 1,550 yards in back-to-back seasons. Sure by the time he got to the Cowboys he was just another back but in his prime he got things done none of the Cowboys current trio have. He did have one highlight as a Cowboy that I still fondly remember-a long TD reception on a busted play from……..Randall Cunningham against the Redskins on Monday Night Football in a 27-21 victory. How’s that for weird?

As for Emmitt and back-ups, Emmitt never really wanted a backup who was going to get more than 5 carries a game so having a quality guy to back him up really didn’t figure into the equation. How else was he going to get the all-time rushing record he wanted so badly?

by MadMick on Jun 5, 2010 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why does no one realize that Marion was hurt all of last year until pretty much

the Eagles game at the end of the regular season? Of course, he got hurt (with a different) injury in that game, too. That’s what happens when the team won’t let you rest because you’re making a mammoth contract and your main partner in crime (El Gato) has been injury prone. Remember Skip Peete’s comments from weeks 2-4

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d812dbf72&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true

http://www.dailysportspages.com/forums/showthread.php?60577-Barber-s-quad-to-nag-him-for-10-weeks

2nd link kinda sucks because it’s 3rd party… Was having trouble finding the source where Peete said in week 3 that it might take Barber 10 weeks to recover.

I really do believe that Barber can be significantly better this year (2007 Barber) if his health permits just that.

by CowboyMA on Jun 5, 2010 9:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Those of us ready to move on from MB know he was hurt

The question is, will he fully recover, 100% (because he ahs very little margin for error, no speed or power to give up and still be good)
    I don’t think he’s ever going to be the old barbarian for more than a couple of carries a game

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by Realist Larry on Jun 5, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's been 2 seasons

Since 2007 barber. I know he was injured in 09 and 08, that’s the problem. The trend is he’ll be injured in 10 and when healthy still not be his old self due to the wear and tear his body has accumulated due to his running style.

Nostalgia doesn’t win football games

by Blue Eyed Devil on Jun 6, 2010 2:46 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Playing hurt True

I do not understand why the coaching staff kept putting him out there when TC has proven he could pick up the slack very well.

MBIII knows what everyone is saying. I think he will play with great vengeance and furious anger,and you will know he is healed when he lays his vengeance upon the NFL Defenses.

by Travlr on Jun 5, 2010 10:45 PM CDT reply actions  

Agree with the first point

He should have been sitting more at then end of the year and Choice shoiuld have had more carries.

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Jun 5, 2010 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Barber is a 2nd half back

He is too slow and not elusive enough to be a starter. He was great as a finisher 2 years ago. Felix Jones should start every game and Barber should finish.

by Longhorns84 on Jun 6, 2010 12:03 AM CDT reply actions  

Completely agree...

Barber is a physical running back and should be used more in the 2nd half. With his bruising style of running, he could wear down a defense already tired from chasing Felix Jones and Choice. The Cowboys offense would be that much stronger when they need a critical third down to keep drives alive.

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by Cowboy88 on Jun 6, 2010 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I like Barber in on first downs when the Cowboys are passing, and in the 2-minute drill as well.

He’s a good receiver and a helluva blitz pickerupper.

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 6, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree

also I can see him in the 2 minute drill at the end of a half when the defense is tired during the hurry-up offense. You could use him for draws and flares.

In my opinion, he’s still a valuable weapon that is being horribly misused. I remember RB coach Peete said something last year about him wanting Barber to start because he sets a physical tone. Well, it’s not much when the defense is also ramped up at the beginning of the game. Defenses have also adjusted and stopped trying to tackle him up high, instead getting him at the legs.

by selke99 on Jun 6, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Injury

Barber’s biggest problem was his injury last year. It’s ironic because it wasn’t even contact that brought him down, just pulled up lame with a hammy. and he wasn’t the same for most of the season, and everyone could see it, he couldn’t even run down the field without falling down, and he didn’t have nearly the power. what was frustrating is it seemed like the coaches didn’t see that and didn’t get Choice even more involved when Barber obviously wasn’t himself.

But going back and watching games from last season, MB3 makes a lot of great plays early in the season and late in the season. He killed in the Giants game week 2 with 155 all-purpose yards and a TD but then pulled a hammy. Missed the next game, and wasn’t the same for a long time. Never got another 100 yards rushing and most of the time was around half that. But then at the end of the regular season the old MB3 was back to gash the Eagles and made some big plays, with 105 all-purpose yards. Then he had a swollen knee and was pretty much out again for the playoffs.

I think it will serve Barber well to be part of a committee with Jones (and hopefully Choice) taking more carries, and adjusting his running style to protect himself some, hopefully he’ll be fresh thru in each game to play his role and do his damage, and healthy thru the season for the playoff run.

But I definitely think he’s still a very good back, he plays a very important role on this team both for his production and attitude. He can still have that attitude and fire up the team with his plays without having to always go for the big hit and every last inch.

Sometimes I think we have gotten down on Barber because we saw how he struggled last season, but he clearly wasn’t himself, and I love hearing that he trimmed down a bit and looks quick and powerful and healthy, and I can’t wait to see the old healthy MB3, just running a bit smarter this season to keep himself that way.

by scottmaui on Jun 6, 2010 8:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Great points all

Especially that limiting his carries might be the most effective use of his talents, especially early in the season.

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by accidental innuendo on Jun 6, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

the problem is that barber has been injured for the better part of the last two seasons

i don’t think too many people seriously dispute that he is a pretty good back when healthy

by blee on Jun 6, 2010 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

+24

Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 6, 2010 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh yeah

you’re right. same general area lol

by scottmaui on Jun 6, 2010 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

worn down

his style ages the legs fast. not a low mileage back.

by burmafrd1944 on Jun 6, 2010 10:03 AM CDT reply actions  

May have already been addressed earlier...

but Barber’s take-no-prisoners running style is what makes him valuable. With 2 other above average RBs on the roster, why do you need Barber for 4 qtrs (ref Emmett’s quote)?

For Barber personally, he probably should learn to run “smarter” to extend his career. But I would argue that what benefits the Cowboys is for him to run the same, just not let him have 25-30 carries a game. You can’t have it both ways, him getting the majority of the carries and continue his physical running style. Without him banging in between the lines (and pass blocking) is he really any use to us? We already know he’s not a speedster and has trouble bouncing runs out wide. It just boggles my mind that they continue to try to use him as the #1 back instead of using him as a closer/short yardage back/end of halves, games or long drives RB.

by selke99 on Jun 6, 2010 1:08 PM CDT reply actions  

Tashard Choice is the Hardest Runner on the team in 2010

I’m sorry, but Barber has been worn down by injuries and is no longer the barbarian he used to be.

In 2009, 20% of Barber’s runs were for no gain or for loss. That ranks at the bottom of the league.

Compare that to Choice, who only had 13.5% of his runs go for no gain or loss. That is the 3rd fewest in the entire NFL.

Barber was the real deal, he was a harder runner than anyone in the league. But he’s worn down. He’s just nostalgia.

Choice is the real deal in 2010. It’s Choice and Felix who should be splitting the carries.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Jun 6, 2010 6:51 PM CDT reply actions  

This isn't anti or pro whomever...

But there is no way you can compare a guy that had 214 carries to a guy that had 64.

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jun 6, 2010 11:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Shouldn't you wait to see what MB3 does when he's healthy again

How do you know he can’t play as well as he did in 2007 until he’s actually out there playing? If a healthy MB3 isn’t getting it done, #1 I’d be shocked, and #2 then you can make a good argument for Choice over MB3.

I’ll also point out that Choice was used as a 3rd down back. Most of his runs came in situations where the defense was expecting pass, so he should have a larger % of runs going for positive yardage. MB3 was often used in short yardage situations where the defense is crowding the line.

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by APerfectStar on Jun 7, 2010 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

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