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Dallas Cowboys Stat School: Passer Rating 101

Most Cowboys fans know that Tony Romo regularly has one of the highest passer ratings in the league.

There are Cowboys fans out there who know that Tony Romo holds the third best career passer rating of all time in the NFL. Here are the top five in career passer rating: Steve Young: 96.8, Philip Rivers: 95.8, Tony Romo: 95.6, Peyton Manning: 95.2, Kurt Warner: 93.7. Mighty fine company.

I would bet that the majority of BTB-members know how the passer rating is calculated (or at least know where to look it up), and we’ve all sort of developed a feeling that a number approaching 100 is pretty good, 80ish is about average and anything close to or below 60 is approaching JaMarcus Russell territory.

But most of us would probably be hard-pressed to explain what the passer rating means. Follow me after the jump, and next time somebody asks you what the passer rating means you won’t have to bow your head in shame or resort to some complex algebra to explain it. Read to the end and become the king of the water cooler by being able to explain the passer rating without a single formula. And don’t worry, there is no test at the end, just a simple multiple choice poll.

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The passer rating was initially presented by Don Smith in 1973, then working for the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and has been used ever since. The passer rating combines four different components or efficiency measures into one number: completion percentage (CMP%), average yards per attempt (YPA), touchdown percentage (TD%), and interception percentage (INT%).

The intention of the passer rating was to give equal weight to all four components and to have a sliding scale that would differentiate between outstanding, poor and average performance. A league average passer performance would result in a score of 1.0 for each component. An outstanding (or record-breaking) performance would score 2.0 points, a really poor showing would net 0 points.

For the completion rate, this looked as follows: based on league averages in the early 1970s, the ‘average passer performance’ was set at a completion rate of 50%. These 50% would therefore equal 1.0 points in the formula. The highest completion rates up to that point were around 70%, so any passer completing 70% of his passes would get 2.0 points. A 30% completion rate would result in 0 points.

So how do you turn 70%, 50% and 30% into 2, 1 and 0 points respectively? You subtract 30 and then divide by 20. That is how the completion rate is calculated in the passer rating. A similar conversion formula was used for the other three components to make them fit the 2, 1 and 0 point logic. Below are the values that denote outstanding, average or poor performance in the passer rating, as implemented based on league averages in the early 1970s.


Rating Points
Cmp% YPA TD%INT%
Passer Rating
Outstanding 2.0 70 11.0 10% 1.5% 133.3
Excellent 1.5 60 9.0 7.5% 3.5% 100.0
Average 1.0 50 7.0 5% 5.5% 66.7
Poor 0.0 30 3.0 0% 9.5% 0.0

An average performance across all four components would therefore add up to 4 total points. A performance that would have been considered excellent in the early 1970s would result in about 6 points. It was felt at the time that making an excellent performance result in a passer rating of 100 would make the formula more user friendly. So after calculating all the individual components, the passer rating multiplies the sum by 100 and divides the total by 6. The result: an average performance (4 points) gets a 66.7 passer rating, an excellent performance by early 1970s standards (6 points) gets a 100 passer rating, an outstanding (or record-breaking) performance (8 points) gets a 133.3 passer rating.

Evolution of the passer rating

Using the league averages of the early 1970s, the passer rating formula was constructed in such a way that each of the four components were balanced and each contributed about 25% to the total passer rating.Passer_rating_101_medium

For reasons outlined in the previous post (Passer's Paradise), the passing game in the NFL has undergone significant changes, and the balance in the passer rating formula has also changed significantly over the years. The graph on the right shows how the individual components of the passer rating have diverged over the years.

In 2009, completion percentage (31%) and interception rate (32%) accounted for almost two thirds of the passer rating, while yards per attempt (20%) and touchdown rate (17%) have lost significant weight in the formula. The passer rating today rewards the low risk, high completion game typical of a West Coast style offense and also reflects the increased involvement of running backs and tight ends in the passing game.

The initial goal of the passer rating was to establish a standard by which you can compare quarterbacks, regardless of when they played. And that goal has been achieved. All quarterbacks in the history of the NFL are measured by the same criteria, even though those criteria are based on 1970 standards.

It is actually fairly easy to adjust the passer rating formula to where each component is again weighted at about 25% to better reflect the average performances in the modern passing game. But that would defeat the purpose of having a comparable number across the decades.

Now that we’ve established the passer rating, warts and all, our next session "Peerless Passers" will be about the Cowboys’ quarterbacks and how they compare statistically. Thank you for your attention, class, and I hope this session proved to be enlightening.

Now if I could only find my glasses, the short bus has already pulled up outside …

Hat tip to kentuckybronco from SB Nation's MileHighReport.com for the poll questions template.

Poll
After sitting through Passer Rating 101, how do you feel?
Like an Eagles fan (What's that? Numbers? #&@$, get outta here!)
70 votes
Like a Redskins fan (I don't know what's going on, but I'm sure Mike Shanahan will figure it out)
57 votes
Like a Cowboys fan (This post was a piece of cake and I'm smarter for the experience)
540 votes
Like a Giants fan (Manning for the HOF! …. Wait, what? … Who’s Peyton?)
18 votes

685 votes | Poll has closed

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passer rating, psh. it’s all about the W.

Pirates Vs. Ninjas? Psh......Cowboys, baby.

by oneinsider on Jun 8, 2010 11:11 AM CDT reply actions  

and good write-up OCC

I’m really interested to see Staubach and White’s numbers.

Pirates Vs. Ninjas? Psh......Cowboys, baby.

by oneinsider on Jun 8, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

exactly!

I dew Knot rede or rite tu gud, butt I nowe mi numbors; I have enough algerbra to build a house, but the only siphering I want to do when it comes to football is our score minus thier score were the sum is a possitive number.

by bad knees on Jun 8, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

Good beginning

but yu kind of slacked off there at the end. Lol

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by Jeremiah_24 on Jun 8, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

OMG I spelled you wrong... and it wasn't on purpose

Semper Fi Do or Die

Projected 2010 Record: 12-4. You heard it here first

by Jeremiah_24 on Jun 8, 2010 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

I don't get paid to think my friend.

Semper Fi Do or Die

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by Jeremiah_24 on Jun 9, 2010 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did you ever stop to think

that the quarterbacks in the top 5 career passer rating have great win percentages and # of wins per year?

- Steve Young (#1 career passer rating, #16 in total career wins with 94 for a win percentage of .657, 3 Super Bowl wins)
- Phillip Rivers (#2 career passer rating, 46 career wins for a win percentage of .719)
- Tony Romo (#3 career passer rating, 38 career wins for a win percentage of .691)
- Peyton Manning (#4 career passer rating, #4 in career wins with 131 for a win percentage of .682, 1 Super Bowl win)
- Kurt Warner (#5 career passer rating, #48 in total career wins with 67 for a win percentage of .578, 1 Super Bowl win)

Of this group, only Phillip Rivers has a better win percentage than Romo. They are both really young and still have plenty of time to win games and more importantly, Super Bowls.

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by wheatie_87 on Jun 8, 2010 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Very cool breakdown - thanks OCC!

I’d argue for a weighting of:

Yards Per Attempt: 32%
Interception Percentage: 30%
Completion Percentage: 21%
TD Percentage: 17%

I think yards per attempt is the best overall measure of the productivity and efficiency of a passing game as it reflects your ability to get yardage in chunks (the real purpose of the passing game) while not taking 40 throws a game to do it and possibly negating offensive balance.

Avoiding INTs is obviously of critical importance as the turnover battle decides so many games – I put YPA a tick higher because A) I can live with a few more INTs from a passing game that is getting big and efficient yardage and putting real pressure on defenses and B) there are a good number of INTs that aren’t the QB’s fault (wrong route, ball clangs off WR, tipped at the line, etc.)

Completion percentage is a good gauge of accuracy, but I guess I prefer a more Aikman-like downfield, hitting a dinner plate on the 15-yard out style of accuracy (which, if present, also boosts YPA) than someone who can flip it out to the back for 80 catches a season while not really pressuring a defense.

TDs are the point of the game, but if a QB accounts for 65 yards through the air on a drive and the RB punches it in from the 1, I’m still very happy with the QB on that drive. If those (what seemed like) 30 times that Irvin took a 30+ yard pass from Troy and went down on the one had turned into TDs instead, I don’t think it would have meant that Aikman was that much greater of a QB.

by jay_84 on Jun 8, 2010 11:16 AM CDT reply actions  

Glad I'm not the only one that noticed all those extra TD passses Aikman nearly had.

It’s okay though because I think Aikman’s postseason numbers in the glory years validated him plenty.

by MadMick on Jun 8, 2010 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

indeed

he sure turned it up a notch from 92-95…96, 98, 99 – not so much.

by DavidH22 on Jun 8, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

True.

’96 was probably the weirdest year. He actually played worse in the last month of the season when he had Irvin at his disposal than he did the first five games without him.

Of course, Kurt Warner’s career went to hell in a handbasket in an even more abrupt fashion than Aikman and he spent five years in the abyss of NFL journeyman status. Fortunately he was able to resurrect his career and go out as a noble gunslinger.

by MadMick on Jun 8, 2010 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

YPA

has a lot to do with receivers and YAC. In that sense, giving it the most weight in an analysis that about passer prowess doesn’t make sense.

by RisingSunCowboy on Jun 9, 2010 6:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

YPA is a pretty good indicator of success

ColdHardFootballFacts have a great post about YPA here. Their short version is this:

    * Teams that win the passing YPA battle almost always win the game.
    * The winningest teams in history are typically the teams with the best passing YPA average
    * The winningest quarterbacks in history are typically the quarterbacks with the best passing YPA average

by One.Cool.Customer on Jun 9, 2010 6:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

damn... posts good ... rebuttals better :)

Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly

by DalaiLuke on Jun 9, 2010 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tom Brady in the playoffs is a glaring exception to this rule.

He only average 6.46 YPA in the Patsies three Super Bowl postseasons. Of course, they often used a controlled passing game in the place of an effective running game.

by MadMick on Jun 9, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree with those things

Also, I don’t disagree that YPA is an important stat. All I am saying is, if you want to measure pure passing of the QB, then factors that are less reliant on other players, the offensive scheme etc. would be better to emphasize. If you see a distinction between what some might call “the best pure passer” and “the best quarterback”, then what I am saying might make sense to you. If not, well I don’t know what to tell you.

by RisingSunCowboy on Jun 9, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Neither do I with you

I was just pointing out the overall importance of YPA. But I understand where you’re coming from. Brian Burke had an interesting post about Air Yards a while back that looked at YPA minus YAC that you might find interesting.

by One.Cool.Customer on Jun 10, 2010 2:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the link

That article pretty much sums up my view.

by RisingSunCowboy on Jun 10, 2010 2:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Kind of off-topic, but could help Romo's passer rating.

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At Cowboys OTAs. Patrick Crayton has returned. Some absences: bowen, ratliff (elbows)

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Trust them...they know what they're doing.

by Aaron Novinger on Jun 8, 2010 11:29 AM CDT reply actions  

been following that

I believe, he has found out that there is just no market for him rite now and he needs to do all he can so he can " make a living for his family". Guess he could always play arena football.

by bad knees on Jun 8, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dez on side lines with possible Hammy

man, hope we can get into the season healthy- I hate having 5 preseason games

by bad knees on Jun 8, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Where did you hear that?

I’ve looked over and I haven’t seen anything on that.

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jun 8, 2010 12:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Twiiter at dallas official site, just following the practice coverage

probably nothing serious happened early, most likely didn’t stretch enough

by bad knees on Jun 8, 2010 12:39 PM CDT reply actions  

Yeah probalby nothing.

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jun 8, 2010 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think we're going to see

that the Cowboys have been blessed with highly-rated QBs throughout franchise history. Meredith had 3 or 4 seasons in the NFL top five, Morton had a couple highly ranked seasons, Staubach of course led the NFL 4 times and the NFC once more, White was always near the top in NFLK/NFC rankings, Aikman was solid, and of course Romo’s rating is just exquisite. I believe Eddie leBaron, by some accounts, led the NFL in passing in 1962! To me, the most interesting part of this analysis will be how these Cowboy QBs compared to their peers. I know that Staubach thoroughly outclassed over NFL QBs in the 70s, but is Aikman’s career rating relatively lower than other QBs who played in the free and loose 90s? And nowadays everyone has a rating over 90+, show Romo might just be one of many, ratings-wise.

by DavidH22 on Jun 8, 2010 1:03 PM CDT reply actions  

The answer to exactly those questions is coming soon to a Cowboy blog near you.

by One.Cool.Customer on Jun 8, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's like Christmas ... I just can't wait any longer!

Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly

by DalaiLuke on Jun 8, 2010 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aikman was solid

That is a bit of an understatement

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by Seanrude on Jun 8, 2010 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Statistically Aikman was just "solid"

1993 he was great, but otherwise solid and unspectacular passer ratings – especially his last five years.

by DavidH22 on Jun 8, 2010 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

His postseason numbers tell a different story.

In fact, his postseason rating for the years in which the Cowboys won the Super Bowl is 112.6. Now I’m definitely not taking him over Joe Montana but even if you’d take Warner over Aikman you have to consider the two costly pick sixes Warner threw in his Super Bowl losses.

Of the ten QB’s to appear in multiple Super Bowls over the past quarter century Aikman’s performances are right there with Joe Montana and Peyton Manning. Tom Brady’s right there too obviously but statistically he is pedestrian with a 83.4 rating and 6.46 YPA. Of course, you can’t expect as spectacular numbers from Brady considering the lack of weapons he was playing with and the elements he often had to deal with.

by MadMick on Jun 8, 2010 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

Major brainfart. Obviously I meant Joe Montana Kurt Warner.

Also I had Brady’s postseason rating mixed up with Manning; his is actually 90.0 while Manning’s is 83.4 for ’06 and ’09 postseasons.

by MadMick on Jun 8, 2010 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Aikman's total postseason passer rating

is around 88 for 16 games. Not too bad. Certainly far better than any other Cowboys QB.

by DavidH22 on Jun 8, 2010 2:35 PM CDT reply actions  

hahaha, I'm flattered you used this poll.

However, I still think you should have included a Raiders choice, even though they aren’t in your division. :)

Great post and rec’d.

Very interesting stuff. I did a post a while back about how to arrive at a perfect QB rating and this post did a great job of emphasizing how each component changed after the QB Rating equation was created. It seems that the order of importance stayed the same, but the graph skewed outward as time progressed. Excellent research!!!

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by Troy Hufford on Jun 8, 2010 3:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I can't really let this opportunity slip away.

I seem to remember a time when Dallas going to play Denver, and you made this HUGE speech about how Denver was moving fowards while San Diego was standing still.

Out of curiousity, what do you think of Denver now?

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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jun 8, 2010 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, well if the NFL season lasted 8 weeks, the Broncos may be the best in the league. lol

We just haven’t found the magic formula to make our early success last until the end of the season. We were like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde last year.

I still think we’re on the right path, but it’s not going to be a meteoric rise like we had in the first 6 games of last season. Next time, I’ll try and make sure I don’t get too high during the highs and too low during the lows. Honestly, I see us as somewhere between Jekyll and Hyde going into 2010.

I do still believe that SD is standing still. They are pissing off Vincent Jackson and Marcus McNeil and Merriman by not giving them deals. If they don’t get a contract in the next week or so, they may be sitting out for a while, which makes me smile. On top of that, they are expecting a rookie RB to come in and carry the load with only sproles to back him up, who isn’t a very big guy in the first place. I see their running game wearing down as the season progresses because I’m not a huge believer in their running backs, plus their line is built to pass block not run block.

I’m really hoping this Jackson and McNeil thing escalates because then Rivers is losing his best receiver and his left tackle. Elvis Dumervil is licking his chops just thinking about it….

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by Troy Hufford on Jun 8, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

That is a completely objective and logical reaction.

I appreciate it.

Anything said above is purely the opinion of AFB unless said otherwise.

by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jun 8, 2010 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha, thanks. I try.

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by Troy Hufford on Jun 8, 2010 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree ... you tried to razz him AFB and he came back with a stellar analysis

…’specially for an almost troll :)

I think Denver needs to find a solution at QB before they’re going anywhere. You can speculate about SD – your only real competition in that division – but ultimately Denver needs to complement that D with a legitimate signal caller.

Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly

by DalaiLuke on Jun 9, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

hahaha, I'll still take backhanded complements. :)
but ultimately Denver needs to complement that D with a legitimate signal caller.

Absolutely, DalaiLuke. I couldn’t agree more. McD brought in Quinn and Tebow to raise competition and hopefully improve the position. Simms wasn’t pushing Orton, at all, so McD brought in some guys that he thinks will increase the competition at that position. I hope it works out, obviously, but at this point it’s difficult to say what is actually going on behind closed doors.

Oh, how I wish that we could watch all the practices….

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by Troy Hufford on Jun 9, 2010 8:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah from a fantasy perspective...

I hope it does too. My buddy has Vincent Jackson in his keeper league and I’d love to see him sweat.

I doubt it will though. When is the last time a veteran NFL player actually held out?

Deion Branch?

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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jun 8, 2010 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not sure.

Regardless, this can’t help the charger. If this spat lasts until training camp, then we could be looking at some hitches in the timing of the chargers passing game. Practice makes perfect and even though Rivers to Jackson has been a good combination in the past doesn’t mean that it will stay that way without consistent practice.

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by Troy Hufford on Jun 8, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also what did you think of the Tim Tebow pick?

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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jun 8, 2010 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

To be honest, I questioned it at first.

I wasn’t particularly fond of Tebow, mainly because I have always despised the gators. But when I sat down and thought about it (and read a bunch of Tebow pieces on MHR), I accepted it. I’m not going to jump out on a limb and make some bold prediction that I don’t believe in, but I do believe that Tebow will put in the work in the next few years.

I think he’s going to be like any other rookie QB in the league. He shouldn’t start this year unless Orton and Quinn are absolutely atrocious. In a few years, Tebow could be a good QB, if coached up properly. There is talk that he may be brought in as a wildcat QB or some gimmick offense this year in the redzone. I’m not okay with that in the longterm (I want him to develop more as a pocket passer), but if they want to bring him in for 2 or 3 plays a game in a situation where he can make a play to confuse the defense, then that’s fine with me.

He certainly needs some polishing, though.

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by Troy Hufford on Jun 8, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Probably how I would feel if my team drafted him too.

I guess the biggest problem I had was how much McDaniels gave up to get to him.

I like that they make big bold moves, but to me it feels like they got a TON of draft picks and not alot to show for it.

I didn’t like the move in 2009 to draft Moreno, only because while I think he’s a good runningback, I think RB is one of the easier roles to fill.

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by The Immortal Iron Fist AKA AFB on Jun 8, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's understandable.

Many back at MHR weren’t (and some still aren’t) fans of Moreno. I am of the opinion with Moreno… why not? We had two first round picks and in 2008 we had 6 RBs go on injured reserve, so we needed to go after a running back at some point. Why not go ahead and get the most dynamic rusher in the 2009 draft? Whether that is going to transfer to the NFL, I can’t say. It didn’t happen last year when he was a rookie, but that’s not to say it can’t change. From reports in Denver, Moreno has been one of the most impressive players on the practice field.

McDaniels actually didn’t give up all that much to get Tebow. We did a lot of wheeling and dealing to move around in the draft. If you boil it all down, in essence we only gave up a second rounder and third rounder for the extra first round pick. We we swapped fourth rounders (there being five spots between the two picks). If we look at the whole draft, we started draft day number 1 with 1 first rounder, 2 second rounders and a third rounder. We ended the draft day with 2 first rounders, 1 second rounder and a third rounder.

It’s hard to keep track of all the Broncos wheeling and dealing on draft day, so it’s difficult to point at one trade and say “you guys got screwed on this deal”, because there were a bunch of others to keep in mind that made that one trade possible. If we look at the whole picture of draft day trades, we came out almost even. I don’t have the exact numbers on hand. They are buried deep in the MHR archives. But if my memory serves me correctly, after we traded and moved all over the draft board we were within about 30 draft points according to the draft value chart, for whatever that’s worth.

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by Troy Hufford on Jun 8, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

At least, I hope so, anyways.

This SD thing has to end. NFL.com ranked them #1… and I don’t see it at all.

Top 15, sure.
Top 10…maybe
Number 1, absolutely not

I remember Boomer picking SD for the superbowl in the past 3 years straight. You’d think people would figure it out by now. lol

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by Troy Hufford on Jun 8, 2010 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Berman always does that queer novelty Super Bowl pick crap.

He’ll usually cycle teams once every five to six years.

by MadMick on Jun 9, 2010 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of perfect passer ratings (158.3)

Can anyone name the only Cowboys QB to throw a regular season “perfect game”?

by DavidH22 on Jun 8, 2010 3:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Is this a trick question?

Because I would assume that for a ‘perfect game’ a QB would also have to throw every single pass in a game. I don’t know of any Cowboys QB who recorded 158.3 and ‘pitched’ the whole game. But maybe my stats have deserted me …

by One.Cool.Customer on Jun 8, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not a trick question

The NFL keeps track of how many QBs have thrown for “perfect games” (158.). A certain number of passes must be thrown in order to qualify.

by DavidH22 on Jun 8, 2010 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, Craig Morton then

In a 38-7 win vs the Eagles, October 5, 1969. But Roger Staubach threw 8 passes in that game as well.

by One.Cool.Customer on Jun 8, 2010 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Actually, 158.3 isn't a perfect passer rating

A qb can have a higher rating than 158.3. If his stat line is 20 for 25 for 300 yds and 4 TDs his rating is actually 172

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 8, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nope

Your formula may yield that number, but under the conventions of the passer rating formula each component is capped at a maximum of 2.375. 4 components @ 2.375 = 9.5. Multiply by 100 and divide by 6 and you get the maximum possible quarterback rating for the NFL of 158.3.

Wikipedia: A perfect rating requires at least a 77.5% completion rate, at least 12.5 yards per attempt, a touchdown on at least 11.875% of attempts, and no interceptions.

by One.Cool.Customer on Jun 8, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

My brain just exploded

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Jun 8, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL ...

Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly

by DalaiLuke on Jun 9, 2010 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

scanners...

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by BoyfromOz on Jun 10, 2010 4:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

having a capped passer rating makes no sense

that means a qb who throws for a higher completion percentage, yards per attempt and TD% than another qb could end up with the same rating….thats just not fair or logical

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by Terry on Jun 8, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree, can't understand why you would cap it, but

  as a practical matter it only impacts game ratings.

Once you aggregate into a passer rating for a season or a career then it doesn’t have a practical impact as no-one is close to perfect. (If you calculated season ratings by averaging the game ratings it would have a potential impact – but not if you aggregate the stats and calculate off the aggregate – which is what is done)

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by BoyfromOz on Jun 8, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Was it Morton?

He was before my time, but my impression of him from highlights and whatnot made him look very pedestrian.

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Jun 8, 2010 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was Morton

Before he banged up his shoulder, he was pretty damned good. His YPA in 1969-70 was almost 9!

by DavidH22 on Jun 8, 2010 4:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Failed in the big games

I think that is why Landry found it hard to chose – in the course of a regular season Morton and Staubach looked pretty similar. But when it counted Staubach won and Morton didn’t, simple as that.

Same reason Aikman is regarded as a great QB when his stats are worse than Danny White’s.

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by BoyfromOz on Jun 8, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

He had a bazooka arm, that is all I remember about him

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by Seanrude on Jun 8, 2010 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

As I stated in a previous post by OCC, this is a very easy formula to calculate the passer rating

[(comp %) + (yds per att x 5 +2.5) + (TD % x 4)] – [INT % x 5] /6 × 5 = passer rating

I actually discovered 25 years ago in the Dallas Cowboys Weekly, my source for everything Cowboys before the invention of the internet.

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by Terry on Jun 8, 2010 3:40 PM CDT reply actions  

It may be easy, but it is wrong without the caps

a = (((Comp/Att) * 100) -30) / 20
b = ((TDs/Att) * 100) / 5
c = (9.5 – ((Int/Att) * 100)) / 4
d = ((Yards/Att) – 3) / 4

a, b, c and d can not be greater than 2.375 or less than zero.

QB Rating = (a + b + c + d) / .06

by doomsdayreturns on Jun 8, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's probably rare

and I agree that it doesn’t make much sense to cap these components. But your formula will vary from the real formula if:

a. the completion percentage is greater than 77.5%
b. the TD percentage exceeds 11.875%
c. the yards per attempt exceeds 12.5

Only the interception percentage is essentially uncapped.

by doomsdayreturns on Jun 8, 2010 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

those numbers are extremely rare

which is why my formula would work 99% of the time

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by Terry on Jun 8, 2010 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

The reason it's capped is to keep the 4 variables equal in influencing the passer rating.

Since interception percent can’t be lower than 0, and that would give 2.75, the other variable sections of the formula are capped at 2.75 to keep them from being a bigger portion of the formula’s result.

by mdlusk on Jun 9, 2010 1:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I still would like uncapped ratings, though.

Imagine someone throwing 7 TDs, 400 yards with an 80% completion rate on 30 attempts and having 0 ints. They would still have a 158.3 instead of the incredible 202.083. I believe that Steve Young had numbers close to this in his SB win against the Chargers.

By the way, I meant 2.375, not 2.75 above.

by mdlusk on Jun 9, 2010 1:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

the caps are there for good reason

otherwise a QB with good, balanced numbers would get the same rating as a QB that did terrible in 2-3 parts but really nailed one, such as completion %.

Now, if you want uncapped ratings that still reward balance, multiply the components instead of adding them, which is what I think it should be.

by speedmetal on Jun 9, 2010 2:29 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes, that would be good. I certainly wouldn't argue against using multiplication rather than addition (on the face of it at least).

But consider that a single part of the passer’s rating like completion percentage could have really good game-winning effects all by itself. If a passer is really terrible in 2 to 3 parts, it would still be hard to have a good rating. While a passer that did okay across the board would have the same rating, and we would likely call him a game manager type (at least for that game), but not really a game-winning type of performance.

When I get time, I’ll try to put together an example to illustrate.

I think it’s just to keep interception% from being undervalued.

by mdlusk on Jun 9, 2010 2:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well done, OCC

Well written with a nice historical backdrop.

At some point, I think they need to revamp this statistic because it doesn’t always accurately reflect the QB’s performance.

In fact, there are several stats that should be overhauled. INT’s that are tipped by your own receiver need to be viewed like an E in baseball.

INT’s thrown inside your own 20 should count against a QB more harshly than one thrown at the opponents’ 30.

Balls that travel 20 yards in the air should be more highly valued than bubble screens that go for 20 yards.

I know, it’s impossible to get to this level of granularity, but without it, I find myself becoming less and less enamored with the prevailing statistical models.

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by 5Blings on Jun 8, 2010 4:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Thanks

The nice thing about most sports stats is that they tell a clear and easy-to-understand story.

A hole in one. A .300 batting average means a guy gets 3 hits in every 10 attempts. A 180 in darts means you’ve hit all three throws perfectly. A 300 in bowling. But the passer rating? What does Romo’s 97.6 from last season mean? Is it his favorite FM radio station? Does he have a slight case of hypothermia?

FootballOutsiders, Brian Burke at Advancednflstats, PFF any many others are pioneering new statistical measures like DVOA or EPV that provide a much greater level of granularity, but they come at a price, and the price is fewer and fewer people understand the stats.

by One.Cool.Customer on Jun 8, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Most people don't understand the prevailing ones...

so it’s no big loss, IMO.

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by 5Blings on Jun 8, 2010 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Remember the Aikman Efficiency Rating

Whatever happened to that?

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Jun 8, 2010 4:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Seemed to die out, but the New York Times liked it...

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/13/sports/football/13sandomir.html

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by 5Blings on Jun 8, 2010 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

agreed on all those points

red zone INTs are the worst actually.

Its kind of tough though to take the downfield length of the pass into account – a perfectly thrown ball within 10 yards could have a huge effect on a play. But agreed, somehow it has to be accounted for.

by foyesboys on Jun 8, 2010 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

O.C.C. ...

Since you are adept to figuring stats and doing research, have you ever thought about revolutionizing the QB “ratings”? I mean some post here suggest some ways to weigh or discount certian throws, like tipped or dropped balls. How about measuring passes that are thrown where only the WR can catch it (away from a defender) or “protecting” the ball in close games?

In any case, I think you can do it. Maybe a start of a new career!

by spadesking131313 on Jun 8, 2010 5:32 PM CDT reply actions  

I suck at math

but it’s obvious the passer rating is extremely flawed. A QB in a west-coast offense should have a high rating while a guy who plays in a conventional offense but whose receiver lets the ball bounce off his pads and then get picked will suffer for the receiver’s bad play. To me the only way to rate a QB’s play is to watch him. I’ve thought Romo had a good game even when he’s thrown a pick during that particular game. Of course when a QB throws 3 picks you know he’s having a bad game. It would be nice if OCC or someone could come up with a better system but I think it’s true most people (especially me) wouldn’t understand it.

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by CapnComebackII on Jun 8, 2010 6:26 PM CDT reply actions  

this raises an interesting philosophical point

It’s not the QB’s performance that counts, but the consequences of his performance. Doesn’t matter if he threw 5 almost-interceptions if none were caught. What should a performance rating reflect, the performance itself or the consequences of the performance? In my opinion, the latter. A singe game just doesn’t provide a big enough sample size to even out any statistical anomolies. Ultimately, the QB rating should never be trusted under the 1500 attempt minimum that I think the career stats have.

by speedmetal on Jun 9, 2010 2:43 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think the qb rating is probably the best statisical measure we could have for qbs

as it measures the 4 most important stats of a qb, comp%, yards per attempt, TD% and INT% into one number.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 9, 2010 7:43 AM CDT reply actions  

QB rating now seriously flawed

The weighting needs to be changed to place more emphasis on YPA and less on completion percentage. Actually I think that the whole thing needs to be changed.

1)YPA
2)INT %
3)Third down conversion percentage passing
4)YDS
5) TD %

And actually I would weight the third down conversion stat the highest followed by YPA then INT % then YDS then TD %.

by burmafrd1944 on Jun 9, 2010 7:50 AM CDT reply actions  

completion percentage is every bit as important as yards per attempt

If a qb isn’t accurate, he’s not going to be very good.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jun 9, 2010 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

It stands to reason

If a quarterback has a poor completion percentage, his YPA wouldn’t be very good either.

RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.

by aussie_cowboy on Jun 9, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree with the 3rd down performance getting more weight in the formula

If a QB can’t pick up a 3rd and long consistently, then it doesn’t matter if he has a low INT %, or a good completion %.

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Jun 9, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

ahh yes, the passer rating

i remember coding this formula on my tandy coco 3, in order to calcuate passer ratings for my strat-o-matic seasons.

at that time, you could mail the nfl office and they would send you a little booklet about the passer rating how it was calculated.

by billstickers on Jun 9, 2010 8:45 AM CDT reply actions  

3rd Down conversion

Its the most important thing a top QB has to do consistently. To me that should be in any passer rating formula. WCO have high completion percentages and SO WHAT/ Means NOTHING.

by burmafrd1944 on Jun 10, 2010 6:32 AM CDT reply actions  

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