Dez Bryant's Signing Just in Time for Cowboys Training Camp
by Aaron Novinger on Jul 22, 2010 11:54 PM CDT
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PrintA sense of urgency and a positive relationship between the Dallas Cowboys' brass and Dez Bryant's agent, Eugene Parker, helped get tonight's 5-year, $11.8 million (with $8.3 million guaranteed) deal done.
One of the issues was to make sure Bryant was signed by the start of training camp since he missed so much of last season due to a suspension. Remember, he hasn't practiced in pads since September.
"It was important,'' Parker said. "In fact, Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones and I discussed that. We knew how important that was going to be. None of us used that as a bargaining chip, but as incentive to compromise and get a deal done in a measure of good faith.''
Bryant sounds glad to get to focus solely on football.
"This was very important to me to be able to get this done in time for the first practice," Bryant said in comments distributed by the team. "I want to help this team. I want to compete. I can't wait to start playing football again."
Stephen Jones knew how important it was to get the deal done before training camp.
"It's important for us to get Dez in on time," Cowboys vice-president Stephen Jones said. "We think he can be very helpful with a good football team for us this year."
[snip]
"I must say I think it was really important that we get him working and in the groove with Tony (Romo) and our offense and I think he understood that," Jones said of the contract agreement.
With the contract negotiations complete, it is all about football now, says Jones.
"You can make things difficult, but I think at the end of the day, the best thing that can happen to a rookie player is to get on the field right away," Cowboys vice president Stephen Jones said.
"That certainly helps his long-term career, which ultimately helps his viability as he moves forward as far as future contracts are concerned. You get those contracts based on how you perform in your first one."
Where Bryant will fit in with the offense will obviously be determined more as camp progresses.
"He's just going to come in and compete," Cowboys executive vice president Stephen Jones said. "It's not for me to say it's for a starting job. I just know he wants to help us win football games."
NFP breaks down the contract further, according to their sources.
Dallas Cowboys rookie wide receiver's five-year deal is worth up to $11.8 million and includes $8.5 million in guaranteed money, according to a league source. The deal includes a signing bonus and first-year roster bonus totaling $2.52 million for the 24th overall pick, the first first-round deal to be completed.
The deal also includes a $3.185 million one-timer incentive clause. There is no second-year option bonus, per our source.
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first.....stud to sign....
I don't need a compass to know which way the wind shines....
by hashishkabob on Jul 23, 2010 12:03 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I wonder what the incentive clause is?
I’m ecstatic he’ll be in camp from minute 1. I was expecting he might miss a practice or two considering how it’s gone with past 1st round picks.
I am wondering the same thing about the one-timer incentive clause
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It involves
number of pancake blocks downfield. They call it the “RW Clause”. The rationale is if he can just do that and nothing more, he’s already made Williams expendable.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
I think what put it over the top
Is Dez ability to renegotiate after 2 years if he performs to expected levels. That also keeps him from looking like a primadonna for wanting more money if he blows up. The Joneses continue to impress me with their creativity and pioneering spirit.
When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.
When I first saw the contract and how fast it got done
I knew he had a sweetener. My first thought was he could opt out after 4 years.
This really sounds good for guys who have elite numbers or talent who fall for the wrong reasons. I think it’s smart for owners as well. It’s usually the 3rd year when guys blow up. It’s tough to blow up in the 1 at 2 years. That helps Dallas but if a guy has CJ type of year in year 2 he deserves more with out some 30% limited increase.
If I read into this deal right, it’s offers reward and protection for both parties.
Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-
by squidlo97 on Jul 23, 2010 1:34 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I could see some form of this type of incentive in the CBA.
The pending rookie salary scale will be designed to make them earn it before they actually get paid elite player money. However, what about the ones who truly transform their teams, and become stars early on? This type of contract could set a precedent for future rookies who are bound by the rookie salary structure. It also accounts for a more goal-oriented player. Dez has the right to renegotiate after 2 years if he performs. Other teams could potentially start copying this method as early as this season.
When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.
I'm so damned excited!!!
I was at work when I found out that Dez signed. I am so pathetic – a 37 year old little kid running around the office raving about how the Cowboys signed him! GO COWBOYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
See ya on the field Dez.
Welcome to the Cowboys!
When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.
Now the drama shifts.........
to what do we do with Crayton?With injuries to WRs common, there should be a market in which we could get some value for him in a trade.Right now other teams won’t trade for him because they believe he will be cut and they can get him for nothing.
The competetion at WR should be fierce.
by TCB Orange Dino on Jul 23, 2010 12:30 AM CDT reply actions
That actually came up cheaper than I expected this is good
I actively recognize my own stupidity, thank you!!!
Yeah, I didn't expect him to come this cheap
Great move
Proud father of Mike Krukow (who is more than 3 times my age)
Grab Some Pine, Meat
Still cheering for Kevin Frandsen
John Bowker: One of the 3 best OF's on the Giants roster
that's what I was thinking.
I was thinking a contract at about 4 mil a year. Considering what Crabtree got, I figured this had to be the case.
by RisingSunCowboy on Jul 23, 2010 2:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Crabtree was selected at #10...he got his slotted money even with the holdout...Dez was paid #24 money plus inflation.
Where we got a little bit of a deal on Dez is the guaranteed money, but if he plays like we expect, he will never see the end of his deal…it will be extended in 2-3 years. Besides that’s not where the big money is…it’s endorsements.
We got the steal of the draft! This guy just keeps coming off as a team first type of
guy. Exactly what all the mediots said he WASN’T going to be!!! Where exactly are all these character concerns?? Hahahaha!!!! I love it!
Exactly
I think Dallas got a steal in the 1st. A partner for Miles for many seasons to come. Romo should have those 2 WR’s and Witten to throw to, and Felix to hand off to, for the rest of his career. Pretty good deal for Dallas and us fans.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on Jul 23, 2010 6:26 AM CDT up reply actions
If this all works as we hope
this is arguably Dallas’ best WR combination yet. An unexpected bonus would be RW upping his game or The Ogletree taking the next step.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
My money is on the Ogletree probability
Not so much on the RW choice
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 23, 2010 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah Really...
There is no reason to think RW is going to be stud, He really hasnt given a reason that he will play up to that contract.
I'd be happy if Roy just makes plays when his number is called
Romo’s completion % to Roy was around 45% last season. Too many wasted opportunities. In my mind, anything above last season’s performance outta Roy is just gravy.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on Jul 23, 2010 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Long-term, I agree completely
but having seen how cautious they are, they’ll do everything they can to try to make RW productive. If the Tree becomes number 3 , it’ll be late this season or next season.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Agree
RW will be every opportunity (again) and will have to lose the job. I do think it could happen sooner though. If he hasn’t been productive after 5-6 games I think the switch will happen. There are multiple moving parts though. Out of the gate I expect Austin #1, RW #2 Dez #3. Both Dez and Ogletree will have to catapult a falling RW.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 23, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Seems like they are being kind of hard on Ogletree
Which probably means they really like him, and are hoping he becomes the eventual #3 when Roy’s time with the Cowboys is up. Although if Roy doesn’t play better than he did last season (especially early last season) maybe we’ll see more Ogletree sooner than later.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on Jul 23, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions
All I know is.......
The guy was given a few opportunities last year and he consistently took advantage and made big plays. Besides whatever snaps he gets at WR, I would think he would be a good candidate for KR and other special teams stuff. Unfortunately for him, Dez is in the “sick talent” category or he could have been a really good #2 someday.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 23, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep. I think they must have liked the Tree
They don’t give reps to rookies, especially UDFA rookies, and add to that reps on 3rd down and in playoff games, unless they show the team a lot in practice. He may not polished enough to start yet, but they have to really like his potential.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Watch any of his interviews, this was apparent even before the contract...
this kid isn’t made from the DeSean Jackson “Sting They Ass” mold. He’s not a big talker, but I suspect he will be a big “do-er”…
DeSean who?
When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.
great news
theres a kid in town,hes gonna be a dezisive player for us.
welcome to big D dez.
Davie Wilson
how bout them cowboys!!!
I'm glad to know
he’s exactly what I’ve been expecting and hoping for. A good kid that just wants to play ball. Period
Semper Fi Do or Die
Projected 2010 Record: 12-4. You heard it here first
cold hard facts
Chris carter picked tony romo as his sleeper candidate for mvp this year. Sorry off topic. Go dez!!
by TONYINCC on Jul 23, 2010 6:29 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I think his statement last year was
“who is Tony going to throw the ball to. Dallas doesn’t have any recievers” to “Dallas is loaded with recievers and Tony for mvp”
I guess he’s admitting he was wrong?
by Musiccitynorm on Jul 23, 2010 6:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Heard the same "Cold Hard Facts"
I was shocked when Cris Carter said it last night..even played it back again. Love it!
Watched Dez play for OK State and jumped out of my chair when he fell to the Cowboys. He is a weapon. Great body control catching off target passes. Beat press coverage well although I was critical when he eased up on routs when he was not the primary. They will cure that. Steal of the draft..imo.
Anybody know who they cut to get the squad down to 80??
Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes the rules.
5 Year Contract
That is awesome. We have Dez Bryant for 5 years at a steal of a price not including any RFA period or contract extensions that come into play. When we lock up Miles Austin this year we will have the WR position set for the majority of Romo’s remaining football career.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jul 23, 2010 6:30 AM CDT reply actions
Now granted Dez hasn't played yet, but what other NFL tandem do you take over Austin/Dez/Witten?
I’m pretty excited, we have the workings of the best receiving tandem in the NFL. (…and I’m not even mentioning the rest of our WR core)
even though williams has sucked
You put him in that team, and I have hard time believing you can find a better fourth option(excluding the tree!)
by TONYINCC on Jul 23, 2010 6:40 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
tree is struggling right now
Williams will be better this year, for all the bull he gave us last year he is a better player than what we got last year.
by Musiccitynorm on Jul 23, 2010 6:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, Williams is overpaid...but Austin, Witten and perhaps Dez is underpaid.
As a team, what we pay for our WR core is a bargain. We may end up at the end of the season with the best WR core in the league.
I really hope the Austin deal gets done sooner rather than later
It’s in everyone’s best interest to get this done before the season. If he gets hurt, he’s screwed. If he has another monster year his price gets crazy. Get it done.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 23, 2010 9:02 AM CDT up reply actions
His price doesn't get crazier than the Roy Williams price tag...at worst we shift Roy's $$'s over to Austin.
The Jone’s don’t let talent get away…Miles will have to wait to mid season like our last 2 big signings…didn’t Romo and Ware have to wait?
They don't let them get away
But they have overpaid and I’d like to see them avoid that.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 23, 2010 9:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Now we get Lee signed today, and the team can concentrate on football.
Novel concept. Dez has been the model of team first. When will that story break?
When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.
+1
No kidding! It was all about him dropping to 24 because of attitude issues…I guess he wasn’t enough like Crabtree so he was passed over?
about what we do with crayton
Does anyone think its an option that if another team as injury at wr instead of trading crayton we trade Roy instead
Really?! Really?!
by thebigham on Jul 23, 2010 8:29 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
I'd love for that to happen, but which team would be dopey enough to take ROy?
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No Value
Unfortunately, Roy hasn’t performed and his contract is ridiculous for his play. I don’t think anybody would want him in a trade at this point.
by Justin Slauson on Jul 23, 2010 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Wasn't a lot of the high cost the guranteed bonus?
If that’s true, Jerry has already taken that one up the whazoo.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 23, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions
He's already paid for, so why would we give him away for little to nothing?
Roy hasn’t been a bust, he’s put up good (not great) numbers…what bothers most people is what we gave up for him in draft picks and salary…we’re underpaying the rest of our WR core…pretty much stole Dez at #24…all in all, what’s to complain about? The future looks bright. The salary thing will get cleared up next season, when Roy’s salary shifts over to Austin. Besides, there still is a chance that Roy blows up this year with his back to the wall…
The draft picks lost suck
But that’s not what bothers me most now. It’s water under the bridge. I don’t like him getting the snaps that a more productive WR should be getting. As long as he’s on the roster that will be the situation. If he was cut today I wouldn’t complain at all.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 23, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd complain...cutting a perfectly good #3 WR (at worst) makes no sense.
If memory serves, didn’t Ogletree and Crayton get quite a few of Roy’s snaps at the end of last season? I could care less who runs out in the tunnel…as long as the producers are on the field the majority of the game, and I see that as the trend.
No
Ogletree was put in only situationally on a few plays he was good at. Crayton played the slot only with Roy out wide. Miles was the only one that replaced Roy on a significant number of packages
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jul 23, 2010 11:10 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
...did you see that I wrote "trend"?
My guess is that you’re one of those people who has to have something to harp on, right? Maybe you should harp on the fact that we have one of the best (potentially THE best) receiving cores in the league.
by CaliFanInTx on Jul 23, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Didn't mean to offend
I think we want to discuss truths around Ogletree’s presence last season. He didn’t catch even a dozen balls and he was in the slot on the screen plays, the crossing routes I remember, he had one grab against the sideline that was a tough catch, that might have been in the flanker role.
But, yeah, he was stealing reps from Crayton the few times he got on the field, not Roy.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jul 23, 2010 2:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Not offended...just trying to pint out the Roy wasn't the feature receiver last year.
They worked in Ogletree because he showed them in practice that he can contribute…I think you have the notion that a lot of fans have that Roy is a complete detriment and should be benched…he actually had good numbers last year, not great, but good. There is a place for him…and if he plays better this year because his back is to the wall, so much the better…
they claim he is struggling this year
ogletree that is
by Musiccitynorm on Jul 23, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I've only heard one reporter say that.
I’ll wait until camp reports to see if that guy was correct.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
And I've read claims...
that he’s doing a lot of good things:
http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/columns/story?columnist=macmahon_tim&id=5251010
Owner and general manager Jerry Jones warned in February that Ogletree could find himself off the roster if he didn’t work hard this offseason. Months later, Jones is gushing about a guy who appears to be another undrafted gem.
“I see a really focused player that is being called upon to play every position out there,” Jones said. "They are asking him to do everything there is at receiver — Slot, X, Y — and that is impressive. Boy, is he up to the challenge.
Rabid and luvin' it
good !
Glad to be wrong, but like a lot of things well see in camp and pre season- one thing that seems to hold to form is you play liike you play in the pre season.
by Musiccitynorm on Jul 23, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Unless your name is Sam Hurd. ;)
But I do agree, gotta wait until Camp/Pre-season to get a better idea of what’s real.
Rabid and luvin' it
I seem to remember him getting some targets in the first couple games.
Especially in the Tampa game.
Rabid and luvin' it
Yup, that was some more.
And the long catch and run where Dawkins took a nice angle and denied him the TD.
Rabid and luvin' it
I've heard similar things.
Ray Sherman called him the MIP of the off-season. He had a bad practice, and I believe it was hater extraordiniarre Calvin Watkins that reported he was struggling.
When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.
Ok, I feel like such an idiot
forget everything I said, If Calvin Watkins said it and I repeated it it destroys any credibility I ever had. It will take me years to get any respect for my opinion again.
by Musiccitynorm on Jul 23, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL.
Show me somebody on this blog that hasn’t said something he wished he could take back.
When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.
Somebody, not something. ;)
When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.
I'm afraid
Tex may not even know what he is saying
by Musiccitynorm on Jul 23, 2010 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, but we do.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.
He also
ran a skinny post for a first down, and a longer post where he was overthrown.
It’s not his body type or speed confining him to the slot. I think they started him mostly working from one position because his knowledge of all three was much more limited.
The real point on Ogletree is that he got touches on a team that doesn’t let rookies do much, let alone raw ones like Ogletree. And those touches often came in important situation – and they didn’t go to Hurd or Crayton. It doesn’t say that he’s Austin, but it does say that he was more than just a spot guy here or there. I think the fact the Phillip saw duty in a very similar fashion is also more telling about Bennett than the team lets on.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
This was posted on the Eagles blog...
Am I wrong to be bitter about this?
I hated when the Cowboys drafted Dez (I think he’s one of the most talented WRs to come out since Calvin Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald; yes I think he’s better than Crabtree and Maclin… but I hope I’m wrong.)
And to make matters worse, he becomes the first 1st round pick to be signed even though he was vastly under-drafted, he has Eugene Parker as an agent who has had 90% of his draft picks holdout and he’s on the team that opens camp first.
Call me bitter, but with Bryant I was hoping to have another Michael Crabtree type holdout…
Sorry, I had to go see what our NFC East brethren was thinking…This day just keeps getting better…
by CaliFanInTx on Jul 23, 2010 9:17 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Very nice
Iggle fan misery is always a pick me up.
Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario
by APerfectStar on Jul 23, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions
The sun just shined a little brighter today
After reading that! Haha
Sorry Eagles fans, our players are professionals, not ‘sting dey ass’ wannabes. That’s why we have 5 lombardis and you have? Oh… That’s right…
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jul 23, 2010 11:14 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Off topic here
but I just received my copy of MSP Cowboys annual and wanted to say thanks to all the writers that participated on making this great magazine, thanks Dave, Aaron, Raf and the rest of the people that made this happen.
Yep got mine as well....
prettttty sweet.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
Yeah! :)
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by Aaron Novinger on Jul 23, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Glad to see Dez is going to be in camp on time.
To be honest, I am a little scared of Dez as our #1 pick. He carries some baggage with him and needs to show everyone he has matured and wants to be a good ball player and good team mate. This is a great move in that direction and shows his mind and heart are in the right place. The talking is over. LET THE GAMES BEGIN.
You said it.
This is a great move in that direction and shows his mind and heart are in the right place.
I believe that “baggage” is largely a media fabrication. just like all the speculation of him holding out.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
It's sad how the Cowboys control my life
Even in the offseason.
Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.
Yet here you are
surrounded by some of the worst enablers anywhere :-)
by One.Cool.Customer on Jul 23, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Impressive front office work
first time I can recall Dallas signed their top pick first
good price too, reasonable for where he was drafted
by AustonianAggie on Jul 23, 2010 11:33 AM CDT reply actions
if I had to guess what the incentive is
I bet it’s a year 3 or 4 opt out
by AustonianAggie on Jul 23, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Long live King Jerry and Prince Stephen!
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by Aaron Novinger on Jul 23, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
What kind of year does Dez need to have?
50 catches, 5TDs and 15 ypc would be a nice season to me. Also contribute as return man.
for me he just needs to make
2 big plays every 4 games or so, through out the season
and he will be a rookie smash hit. So I mean, 1 catch of 20 yards or more, or 1 td, or one 15 yard PR, every other game. The consistency is also a key
by AustonianAggie on Jul 23, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
All I really want to see
is that he causes teams to be confused about who to put on him. If he can mess with their coverage scheme, that will do nothing but help Austin and WItten. Not sure what that takes, but I’d say just a couple of big plays here and there.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
all signs looking good
I just got this feeling like we will be witness history this year. Greatest show on turf. or whatever name you want to give it.
Really?! Really?!
great fanpost opportunity
you should make one and have people name the new offense.
by Musiccitynorm on Jul 23, 2010 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions
And catching nearly everything thrown his way.
If he catches in game time like he did in Rookie Camp and OTA’s, the sky’s the limit. That alone would be refreshing after watching footballs clanging off other receivers’ hands and helmets last season. And that would help force defenders to respect his route and not cheat towards Austin.
Heck, last year they knew there was a 50/50 chance RW would drop it even if we threw it his way.
Rabid and luvin' it
I was thinking about that
He seems to be a complete natural at catching, so I think when he learns the routes and is able to separate at the line of scrimmage, he’s going to be dangerous.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Here's Wade's take
"He’s a real talent. Most players have what we call holes in them. There’s something that they can’t do well. He seems to have all the tools. … He can run, he can catch, he’s very athletic. We’re excited about him. Like you said, you don’t see many rookies that come in. Of course, usually we’re picking later in the draft, which is where we want to be. We don’t usually find those kind of players late in the first round."
From DMN
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Wow. Is there some other DMN?
That doesn’t sound anything like the DMN I know. So the change has come. After telling those clowns over and over and over and, well, you get the idea. Hundreds of posters warned them to stop hating. They would just hate worse. So, now they have something good to say. Guess that’s what happens when you go from thousands of hits per hour to inconsequential.
When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.
Even they can't mess up a direct quote.
LOL
Well, other than not printing it that is.
Rabid and luvin' it
True
I forgot about the snipping quotes to take them out of context that they were so good at.
Rabid and luvin' it
Yeah, old Calvin Watkins actually challenged TO in the locker room.
I’m surprised TO didn’t do his Hugh Douglass impression on Calvin’s stupid head. How about the time Watkins declared he could take the Cowboys to the playoffs if he was the head coach. Has there ever been a reporter that knew less about what he was doing?
When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.
Watkins is funny.
Watched the video of Stephen Jones announcing Dez’s signing. He was asked about the effect of the lack of CBA on contract signings, and said he didn’t think it really had an effect, that other teams were just a week or so behind because of the HOF game. Calvin’s in the background recording Stephen, nodding in agreement.
Then a little later I see Calvin interviewed on ESPNBristol and the first thing he says is how the lack of a CBA is impacting contract signings.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
Wade's take on Romo was even better
He’s thrown for a lot of yards. I think his average per attempt is probably the highest in the league. That’s one of the top stats there is, maybe the top stat for a quarterback, is average for attempt. … I hope he can get better, but he’s at a high level right now. He’s one of the top quarterbacks in the league and we wouldn’t want anybody else but him."
The last sentence is so on the money.
In Romo we Trust
I l;ove me some Tony, but honestly
what did you expect them to say?
“Tony is good but if we had (insert QB name here) we would be even better?”
just don’t see them saying that.
by Musiccitynorm on Jul 23, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Who's better?
Take into account accomplishment, age, wear/tear, further upside, character/personality…I don’t see anyone better.
Talent aside, not everyone can be a Cowboys QB…you need more than just talent…
who is better?
good question.
Aarron Rodgers is younger, maybe a better choice on that alone
there are several young QB’s up and coming
by Musiccitynorm on Jul 23, 2010 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions
You named one guy...Rodgers....
Rodgers is 3 years younger…not enough to swing things too far in his direction. He’s played 2 years, doesn’t have a playoff win, has a worse W/L record as opposed to Romo, plays in a weaker division, and has a weaker schedule overall…I know he’s the chic pick this year…many have put him in the elite category already…but sometimes the grass is “perceived” to be greener in your neighbors yard when it really isn’t.
Romo is a personality that dates hot babes from Hollywood…he’s flashy but with substance…advertisers love him…his jersey sales are at the top of the league…Jerry wants that…can Rodgers handle the unfair scrutiny of being the Cowboys QB? Does Rodgers get the record breaking Starter contract Romo got? I don’t know, but I know Tony can/did…again, it’s not just about talent…
Finally, Romo’s record against Rodgers is 2-1…he’s even beaten him in GB…let’s have Rodgers come down here and beat him at Cowboys stadium before we pass the torch to him.
I hate when people say qb vs qb
Last I checked romo and rodgers dont play against each other. Rodgers had it ALOT ALOT worse then Romo and the fact that he has produced is unbelievable. Someone more well informed in college can help back me up.
First he fell, then the packers drafted him, then he was in hate by brett favre never mentored or taken under his wing, then he had to try and win over one of the greatest fanbases follow a NFL legend. Any point in time he could of gave up and begged to be traded or just not have cared anymore, lost heart.
Fact is he didnt. He succeeded! With an Oline worse than the cowboys. He is top in sacks and still top in passing stats. His 2nd year as a starter he puts up what 50 in the playoffs? His D lost that game, not him.
I’d take romo but rodgers in no slouch.
Really?! Really?!
I hate more people who comment without thinking or reading clearly the posts that spawn the comments...
Rodgers had it a lot worse than Romo? Really?
Draft Position
Rodgers: 24th pick (Projected possible #1 from Division I Cal-UC Berkeley for those not in the know)
Romo: Undrafted from Division II Eastern Illinois
Learned Behind
Rodgers: Hall of Famer Brett Favre…was heir apparent backup QB.
Romo: OK QB Vinnie Testaverde…4th string
Tougher fanbase? Dallas or GB? Favre won 1 Superbowl and fans loved him tell the very end…many still do…Aikman won 3 Superbowls and fans were booing him at the end of his career. Cowboy fans are hard on their players…it’s not even worth discussing…
Romo spent his first 2-3 years changing his throwing mechanics on footwork…something that should have been done in college like Rodgers got at Cal…fortunately he had David Lee help him after hours which is the best a 4th stringer can hope for…
I will argue the Cowboys offensive line being better…Romo makes our line better…
I didn’t disparage Rodgers…I think he’s very good and will get even better, but the question was “Which QB would you take over Romo?” I think we both answered the same…
If you remember correctly
Favre came out saying he was going to mentor rodgers that they both were competing for the job.
Romo didnt have the scrutiny of a first rnd pick or the expectations to follow a legend. Replacing bledisoe.. being able to avoid a sack.. throw for more tds than ints.. cowboy fans happy!
Rodgers didnt have it so easy. And I dont know how you can argue oline. Rodgers is just as mobile. He put up those numbers with one of the highest sacks ratings.
The whole reason I started this thing was because I HATE when people put qb vs qb. Like manning and brady. Its like they are actually going head to head this isnt boxing.
Really?! Really?!
I think you have to look at it this way
among the very best QBs in the league, only Romo has the mobility to play at a high level with this treacherous of a line….
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Reword that...how many Superbowls does Romo have if we gave him a consistent O Line? I say 2.
The problem has never been Tony…it’s the team around him. Take away Tony and you don’t have a contender.
well
last year’s team would’ve been pretty much without flaws with a better oline, and we were on the cusp in 2007.
I really hope they can surround Romo with better protection. I don’t want to look back on Romo’s career and think 2007 was the only really good chance he had to lead us to a title.
given that I don't want Ben near this organization
I agree. Although I’ve always wondered how much better guys like Brady and Manning make their line look. I know Romo makes ours look respectable, which is a load of crap. Especially last year with an old Flo. Hopefully Free will be better.
I think a good QB can make the line look better, just as RBs can
I remember Dallas linemen saying that about Emmitt – that he made them look better because they didn’t have to make a big hole or keep it open for long. So Manning’s ability to get the ball out quickly or Warner’s ability to find his hot receiver probably helps. But only to a point. Bad line play is what began sinking the Patriots, and it kept the Steelers out of last season’s playoffs.
My hope this season is that the Cowboy’s have a stock of plays to take advantage of what teams like Denver, GB and Minni did to the line. And I think they will. They finally “solved” the Eagles and Giants pressure, so I’m confident they can do the same with other schemes.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Is that a flush I hear??
What you heard was every sports writer dumping their pre written story of how dez’s holout will destroy the cowboys team chemistry and compare him to TO as a cancer. You know they had them ready to post!!!!
June & July Blow
yep
espn is looking for at least a months worth of material.
by Musiccitynorm on Jul 23, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions
No worries
The Favre tapes are being dusted off as we speak
by One.Cool.Customer on Jul 23, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, they need to hurry.
I only saw two stories concerning Favre on their home page this morning.
Rabid and luvin' it
If there is one story I care nothing about
by Musiccitynorm on Jul 23, 2010 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Only reason I remotely care is...
it would weaken the Vikes so we have a better chance of getting revenge this season.
Rabid and luvin' it
i know people say they want to beat the team at its best
but idc I want a superbowl win.. if that means peyton manning goes down in 1st qtr or brett favre doest come back and aaron rodgers gets hurt idc
haha
Really?! Really?!
No... I just can't see that.
Take it from me as both a Cowboys and a Longhorns fan. Winning when a feature player goes down at the beginning of the game leaves a hollow feeling on both sides. The what-if questions will surface and at the end of the day we’ll hate ourselves.
Although if Aaron Rodgers goes down in an earlier game...
because he can’t learn to avoid the sack then he deserves whatever he gets.
Roster Rumblings
AOA and Stephen Hodge placed on PUP.
LB Jay Moore signed (strictly as a camp body). WR Verran Tucker released to make room for Moore.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jul 23, 2010 4:49 PM CDT reply actions
AOA will be back but Hodge I'm not sure about
by Musiccitynorm on Jul 23, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I read an article earlier
where Jerry was saying the roster wasn’t set even though we were at 80 players. I wonder if this is the end of it though?
Rabid and luvin' it
For Hodge?
Probably in the short to mid-term. I think long term he’s likely to get an injury settlement and be let go kind of like Justin Rogers was last season. That microfracture is nasty stuff. They threatened me with it if the clean up and reshaping didn’t help enough or I did more damage in the future. I’m quite a bit older than him and not an athlete, but it still wasn’t anything I wanted to mess with.
Rabid and luvin' it
I hope I'm wrong...
and he’s one of the success stories from this surgery.
But, even if it’s successful, it’s not always permanent. The layer that grows can be worn back out again in a couple years if you’re not careful. Again, I hope he’s the exception since he’s so young.
Rabid and luvin' it
Aye, that's why I thought it was bigger news that NO's Darren Sharper
had microfracture knee surgery in offseason. Even if it was a milder variety, don’t see how he’s guaranteed to play early or at all this season.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
Where are y'all seeing that Lee agreed to terms??
I can’t find a link..
FEAR the STAR...it's all or nothing.... time to COWBOY UP.
Here's one
Of my many bookmarks..
Must be having browser problems… I’m on the Cowboys site right now.. and it’s showing me sh** from 2 days ago..
FEAR the STAR...it's all or nothing.... time to COWBOY UP.
Might want to clear some of your browser history...may I suggest a utility called CCleaner?
Be careful if you have any cookies you want to keep.
by CaliFanInTx on Jul 23, 2010 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions
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