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Everyone was wrong about Dez Bryant. Except the Cowboys

Dez Bryant was a potential top 10 pick coming out of college. Placed number one on many receiver lists as the best available in the draft. Watching him play, you knew this guy would be a game changer on the next level. His physical style and untapped athletic ability left scouts drooling over the possibilities in a pro offense. What made 24 teams pass on a player who had such potential, a guy who could immediately make an impact on any team? Fear of the unknown.

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       Dez Bryant was dubbed as a bad egg. In a game today where character weighs almost as much as a player's abilities, teams shunned the young stud. He was labeled thug by the media and even fans started to believe the bad press. The fear of unknown possibilities with a question mark regarding his character.He had a bad childhood and once he got millions of dollars, he would crumble as a man. The hype would get to his head and his desire to play like he could and drive to succeed would vanish. He would be in Rodger's office all the time, sitting next to Big Ben and PacMan. The fear of these possibilities left 23 teams to pass on Dez Bryant.

       I've said this before in earlier posts and excuse me for repeating it;  this guy was caught not dealing drugs, he did not beat up his girlfriend, he wasn't caught with a gun and didn't shoot himself in the leg. He wasn't a bad teammate and did not disrespect his coaches or the media. He was with someone whom he was allowed to be with, so long as he mentioned this to the proper authorities. But Dez made a bad choice and said that he hadn't been with Prime Time, when in actuality he had.

       The backlash from this small statement cost him millions of dollars and months of bad press. Once a top ten pick, he fell down until the cowboys scooped him at 24. Jerry knew what he had passed on before, and wouldn't let it happen again. Since the draft, Dez Bryant has been the polar opposite of what the press labeled him. He would possibly pull a Crabtree and demand top ten money? NOPE! Dez Bryant was the first first round pick to sign his contract so not to hold up his team or impede he progress as an NFL receiver. He would be late to meetings just like he was in college? NOPE! Dez Bryant was the first cowboy on the field come training camp, getting out there 2 and a half hours early.


       It seems to me that everybody was wrong about Dez Bryant, except the Cowboys. They played the risk vs. reward card and came out on top, BIG TIME!

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the ultimate reward

is still to be seen, just the first weekend of camp, but like what we’re seeing so far, all signs indicate this being the steal of the draft, with his character concerns largely overblown.

by scottmaui on Jul 25, 2010 11:14 AM CDT reply actions  

exactly.well stated....and ....

here is a link to a story that fits here……http://www.fannation.com/message_boards/show_topic/221623-jerry-jones-indicted-for-april-24-league-incident / when i first saw the headlines i was like what!? then got to readingit and ..well good story…..incase anyone missed it last night.

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 25, 2010 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

i thought the character concerns were non-issues to begin with, however

let’s not get carried away here. the things that the detractors are concerned over, do not need to show themselves now to ultimately be proven true.

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"Yeah, he's good. Dez Bryant is smooth, fast and has velcro hands.... He's going to give his QBs a giant comfort zone; if you throw it in his vicinity, odds are very good that he'll catch it."- Rafeal Vela, 1st day of 2010 training camp.

by KD Drummond on Jul 25, 2010 12:24 PM CDT reply actions  

And the Ravens...

they wanted him too. :)

AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.

Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.

by Iron Fist on Jul 25, 2010 1:04 PM CDT reply actions  

2 MORE weeks until the HAMMER falls...

Folks I wish I could tell you what it feels like living in the Heart of DALLAS COWBOY football country…My writing skills are un-able to explain that shiver of excitement that we here in Dallas feel this time of year…It damn near chokes you up something awful, just knowing that the BOYZ are going to come out swinging from the jump…Focus SUPERBOWL 45…Bling #6, at home and home grown…I wonder if the Football Gods back in 1960-61even imagined what they were doing when they injected and turned loose the DALLAS COWBOYS on the NFL-World…I wonder did they know that they would be creating they would be seeding the League with a Dynasty of a Football team that would become the Richest, the most controverted Sports Team in the History of Sports?…I AM NOT A RELIGIOUS MAN1!!!, but the need to bend my knee everytime I neared COWBOYS STADIUM, and from the curve of HW-268 in downtown DALLASLooked out over the Parking Lot with filled cars, and tail-gaters, my Spiritual side just kicked in and the need to scream out “FEAR THE STAR” reverberated from the depths of my soul…Tom Landrys Spirit lives in COWBOYS STADIUM…The man who gave us the DoomsDay defense, He can never be seperated from the DALLAS COWBOYS, it would be like taking the very soul of what DALLAS COWBOYS stand for and exorcising it…nay, he LIVES on in the new Stadium…Roger Staubach, Troy Aikman, Charlie Waters, Leroy Jordan, Bob Lily, and the list goes on and on…Names that had Offenses and Defenses cringing with fear for the last 50 years…The World according to a DALLAS COWBOY consists of 2 seasons not 4…1).is start of FOOTBALL SEASON and, 2). is start of HUNTING SEASON, and we can only thank the Creator for allowing them to co-incide with each other cause what would we do the rest of the week when we aint watching DALLAS beat shrugs whoever…I wonder if the Football Gods back in 1960-61, when Heaven and Earth came into being, knew that they would be creating a need for REAL MEN like 1CC, who can take numbers and stats, and football criteria and make the very pits of Hell shake with the awesomeness of them…did they know that his mind would become the virtual reality equivalent of a Calculator with the ability to round off the to the nearest 10 zillionth of a decimal the answer to Pi-squared?…It makes a grown man cry with the Holiness of his numerically-saturated mind…Did they know that the stories, articles, fanposts that REAL MEN like Rafael, Dave, and Fish would inspire us with the need for us to cleanse our minds and Hearts and clear our concious selves with anything but the need for more DALLAS COWBOYS football…I DO NOT BELIEVE they knew…nah sir, I do not believe they did…When I was a little boy, my mamma asked me who the first President of the United States was…I could have sworn it was Jimmy Johnson, but the slap on my head reminded me, that until I had reached the age of 18, I had better remeber that it was GW…In 8th Grade I remeber that we wrote a petition to the NFL, and we garnered over 8000 names(that amounted to the total student population of the High School, and Jr. HS in our community, or equivalent to the amount of territory we could cover by supper time on our 18-speed bikes)to make the NFL season 20 games…What I ask you, my friends is the purpose of pre-season games?…I say throw the rookies in with the opening drive and let there be a time-out called to carry the bloodied and dead bodies off the field of the ones who cant cut it…easiest way I know of to get rid of the un-fit guys who would dare to wear the Star on their helmets and call themselves DALLAS COWBOYS…Does anybody think it odd that the chickensh?t Gints in New York didnt schedule us to give their NEW stadium the christening that we gave them a chance to do to our Stadium…No siree, that Stadiums opening was fated to fall to some other team…Cause the gints are afraid…they are very afraid of who is gonna sign their locker-room wall, like She-li did to ours…The Spirit of Revenge, for a DALLAS COWBOY never dies…(T.O. let me introduce you to Mr. Geo. Teagues!!!)…I wonder what the beagles are thinking right now?…Knowing they have to face a team, the ONLY TEAM that has ever beaten them 3X in a row?…What is the atmosphere of their lockerroom like at this time of year…KNOWING, KNOWING they have to come to DALLAS COWBOY STADIUM and face us first…I wonder how the “Jolly Red” Andy Reid is going to explain a ass-whipping 4X in a row?…I mean it was bad enough having to face us 3X in a row last year, and get sent packing with a seasoned QB…this year we get their QBs cherry…LMAO, yes my friends, God created Football for the REAL MEN in this World…“put up or shut up” is what my daddy always told me…I will not, I WILL NOT for one second this year listen to JimmyK(ByeDawks) excuses for why his team is getting their buts kicked by our SUPERIOR team…These are things I wonder about as the Start of Football Season approaches!!!…until then all I can do is putter around on my cars engine…Change the oil for the 5th time this month…Change the spark-plugs for the 3rd…and wait for the NEW DALLAS COWBOY CHEERLEADERS calendar to come out…can anybody out there suggest something else to get me thru this dark days of waiting?…What are you doing to get thru this mundane existence we call life, until the START OF FOOTBALL SEASON???…FEAR THE STAR

by drifter1234 on Jul 25, 2010 2:18 PM CDT reply actions  

LMAO!!!

The holiness of my numerically saturated mind? Hilarious!

But dude, two comments: Use paragraphs, that makes reading all of this a lot easier. And why not make it a standalone fanpost? It’s certainly long enough, and it’s certainly funny enough.

by One.Cool.Customer on Jul 25, 2010 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think I got winded reading all that...

Punctuation could be your friend!

Good stuff though!

by Chris in Va on Jul 25, 2010 3:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

FACT OR FICTION..........

or maybe a little of both…..stop and think of the possibilities. Jerry knows full well that Dez is heading out after his junior year… he also knows he has no chance of trading down low enough to get him w/o trading the farm. Dez and sanders had the same agent yes? the agent wants to rep dez in the upcomming draft, Jerry and the agent and Deon knows that being involved with Dez would violate ncaa rules, any one wonder who let the Ncaa know of all this? and like the numbers fall in order 123, things with his past suddenly come to light. could Jerry have planted Deon or the agent? knowing what the end result might be?As we all know the outcome that took place, Dez would not have fallen to us, could any of this be true as a whole or in part?.. or is it just fiction?

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 25, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

And also,

I think there were 18 shooters in Dallas that day.

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Jul 26, 2010 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yup

10 on the grassy knoll, 6 in the book repository and 2 in an undisclosed location as backup in case everyone else missed.

;)

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Jul 26, 2010 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

hahahahah love it loil

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 26, 2010 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

haha.

could be a jerry plan. or dez did it just so he could avoid the rams, chiefs and lions?

by Niland85 on Jul 26, 2010 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

It’s July.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jul 25, 2010 4:44 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I just hope you are as willing to write the same thing when Eagles fans

talk about how good Nate Allen or Brandon Graham are on BGN.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Jul 25, 2010 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Enthusiasm about a draft pick is one thing, but the whole tone of the piece is “I told you so,” as if Dez Bryant has actually already… you know… had some success in the NFL.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jul 25, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah I agree with the poster below.

I don’t think the article is about how great a player Dez is but rather how we have seen none of the baggage that he supposedly was bogged down with. And for us Cowboys fans we can’t help but be super-enthusiastic about the success Dez has had in practice making spectacular catches and apparently clicking well with Romo.

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Jul 25, 2010 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

your reasoning is sound )

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 25, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

"We'll see." --Bill Parcells

by Uncle Angus on Jul 26, 2010 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes, it is. And Kevin Kolb is a franchise quarterback, right?

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by Seanrude on Jul 25, 2010 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe. TBD.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jul 25, 2010 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

the tone of the piece is “I told you so” regarding his character concerns. So far, he has actually, already… you know… done the complete opposite of what was expected.

Fulton Greenwall: Perhaps we should slow down just a teensy-weensy bit?
Ace Ventura: Nonsense, poopy-pants.

by I am a Romosexual on Jul 25, 2010 8:03 PM CDT reply actions  

amen!

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 25, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Admit I Was Worried

. . . the workout issue and the forgot my shoes moment and the bad press . . . boy oh boy . . . it looks now as if Dez is exactly the right medicine this team needs; a Michael Irvin type football player, except he is more physically gifted than the Hall of Famer Irvin. We may look back on this pick like the Tony Dorsett or E Smith picks . . . difference makers that elevated their teams to championships.

by Iowacowboy on Jul 25, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

A-MEN !

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 25, 2010 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

"So far"!!

Wow! I’m so glad this guy’s made it through, let’s see….
one day of camp!
so that we can now all say for sure that he is a real “character” player who will always be there when the going gets tough.

Give me a break.

Do I think he’s showing a good attitude so far? Sure!
Do I expect him to have problems? No, not really.

But can we wait more than
One Day!
to say there are no character concerns?
It’ll be years before we know. Let’s say he’s in year 3 and the team is 4-7? Let’s see how he reacts then.

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Jul 25, 2010 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

wow thats a big story lol

This kid is the first and last one to leave the practice field..He was the first 1st rounder to sign his deal he most likely took less by not waiting it out…If i was a fan of another nfc east team i be nervous…Dez is going to be a playmaker!!!

by scandrick32 on Jul 26, 2010 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Only an eagles fan would try to make this a big story about Dez's character

Its obvious to me he is scared…..Jimmy also posted this on the eagles blog lol….enough said lol

by scandrick32 on Jul 26, 2010 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jimmy also posted this on the eagles blog

I did? Wanna show me a link?

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jul 26, 2010 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

So einman77 posted it in a fanshot, not me, correct?

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jul 26, 2010 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I never said u made a fanshot...

I said u made a post about this on eagles blog which is correct…

by scandrick32 on Jul 26, 2010 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, it’s not correct. To say I “made a post about this” means that I posted a link in a fanshot, or wrote a story about this on the Eagles site, because as you said, I was trying “to make this a big story about Dez’s character.” Commenting on somebody else’s post is not the same thing.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jul 26, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

You posted a comment sir

You lost that argument, admit it.

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Jul 29, 2010 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

And only a Cowboys fan would try to make a story

About a player with character issues not having character issues two days into his first training camp.

So go ahead, downplay a story about him trying to one-up the very veteran he is competing against (in the same blog where you guys were just raving about what an angel he’s been). Fact is, the season hasn’t even started yet, and he’s already got more negative press than Miles Austin has had in his entire career.

"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E

by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 26, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

No...

But if you’d like, sir, I can move to the back of the bus with the rest of “my people”.

"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E

by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 26, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol

"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E

by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 26, 2010 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol wtgo direwolf hahhahaaa

in fact tito i need your seat…bye bye..lil fellah

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 26, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

I mean it's okay for you to have that attitude...

But do you think it’s wise for Dez to share the same thoughts?

Roy Williams has been succesful in this league before, and he probably could teach Dez a thing or two…I know you guys like to crack jokes because Jerry really screwed the pooch in the trade to acuire him, but he was a Pro Bowler on some of the worst teams in NFL history.

"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E

by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 26, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

hahahahahahahh greatly said... hand raised loil

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 26, 2010 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well this "story" has been following Dez for over a year now. . .

His character concerns. I know he hasn’t even had game as a cowboy but up to this point, he has done the exact opposite of what people thought he would do. He signed his contract without waiting to see what ANY OTHER first round pics did this year says lot to me. He’s been early for practice, the first one there. He’s been sneaking into QB only parts of camp to get extra time with romo. He doesnt want to carry roy’s shoulder pads? I wouldnt either if the guy I was brought in to replace was trying to bust my balls. Lol

Fulton Greenwall: Perhaps we should slow down just a teensy-weensy bit?
Ace Ventura: Nonsense, poopy-pants.

by I am a Romosexual on Jul 26, 2010 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Negative press = not carrying a lame duck vets pads

If that’s all you got on him, then I’m happy.

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Jul 29, 2010 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who said it’s a “big story?” I certainly didn’t. But maybe we should hold off crowning this guy as best teammate on the planet for the time being.

Your very own Terry, who defends everything Cowboy-related, even sees this as a bad thing below…

This is the type of attitude teams were concerned about when they passed him in the draft. Too good to carry a veteran’s pads?? You got to be kidding me…hopefully this isn’t a harbinger for things to come.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jul 26, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

SHENANIGANS!

I am calling Shenanigans on this. First of all, Terry does not defend everything Cowboys related, only thing related to Romo, Sean Lee, and the awe inspiring power of the coaching staff to always make the right call in every single situation. Second, Terry is not now nor has he ever been on board with Dez coming to the Cowboys. He has a bug up his ass over Dez for some reason, so pointing to Terry to defend your position is a BS move.

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by Seanrude on Jul 26, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

for some reason???

I think this issue of refusing tradition is crystal clear as to his attitude.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 26, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

You have had a bug up your ass over Dez long before this non-incident occurred

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
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by Seanrude on Jul 26, 2010 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions  

not true

I just thought it was too risky of a pick and it looks like that might be true if he keeps this arrogant “I’m too good to carry a vet’s pads” attitude.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 26, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

his attitude...

He is the first one on the field and the last one to leave..I say he has a great attitude..Can u blame this guy not wanting to carry RW’s pads lol…Rw does not deserve to haze anyone imo

by scandrick32 on Jul 26, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

I Completely Agree

Given how huge a bust Roy has been in Dallas in relation to what they paid for him and to him, he should be embarassed to ask even the assistant equipment manager to carry his pads.

IMO, the only way this should have been a story is if Dez asked Roy to carry HIS pads.

I couldn’t be happier with the way Dez has carried himself both on and off the field since the day Dallas drafted him. Dez has the Michael Irvin triumvirate of successful characteristics:

1. Amazing talent and natural ability
2. A passion for the game that only the truly great ones have
3. He works his ass of on improving – the first guy on the practice field and the last guy off

Dez is going to be a beast for the next decade.

Roy Williams? he just stays in the news for poor play and poor judgment. By mid-season he will be an after-thought on this roster.

by Cowboy.Louie on Jul 27, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

He is the first one on the field and the last one to leave

Great, good for him. Every semester in my 5-year college career, I’d say the same thing… “I’m really gonna take my classes seriously this semester.” I’d buy a shiny new 5-subject notebook, get myself all organized, and show up to classes, actually listen, take notes, and even do whatever take-home assignments were given…

For about a week or 2. Then it would be right back to drinking and bong hits at noon, and no more time for class.

So while it’s awesome that he showed up 45 minutes early for a practice, let’s maybe wait until we see a little pattern of this dedication before we anoint him the next Peyton Manning of preparation and attitude.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jul 26, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Pattern of dedication...

Every Sunday I say to myself “This is gonna be the week I get 40 hours on my check. No lates, no call-outs, this is the week.”

And every Monday I show up 15 minutes early for work, bright-eyed and bushy-tailed, suckin down coffee, writing up PO’s like it’s nobodies business.

But me and my boss both know that when Thursday rolls around Little John’s is still going to have $2 Shots and Beers from seven to close, and I won’t be making it in on time Friday morning, if at all.

I thank both my boss, and Little John’s for there patterns of dedication towards me and my Thursday night drinking habit.

"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E

by tito (eight and oh) on Jul 26, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol

Right on. You may be an eagle fan, but I will raise my glass to your boss and Little John’s!

- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"

by fan since '65 on Jul 30, 2010 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

The guy has done everything right since coming to Dallas, and that includes telling Roy's overpaid albeit super blocking ass that he is not second fiddle to him

He needs to keep that up <THAT’S WHAT SHE SAID> but so far no Cowboys fans have any complaints about the guy, unless they had a predetermined bug up their ass about him already.

Normally I defend you against charges of being a troll, but you are getting close to that line with this stuff

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
My Beer Blog: http://tiltingsuds.wordpress.com/

by Seanrude on Jul 26, 2010 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

How can I be a troll if Terry of all people actually agrees with me?

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jul 26, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

hahahahahh dire i like your humor maan wtgo )

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 26, 2010 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let me make this clear

Terry is irrational when it comes to Dez, just as he is irrational when it comes to ROmo and now Sean Lee. Terry argued against drafting Dez before the draft, and continues to make that argument. His argument is not that “Dallas should have drafted an O Linemam b/c the team is old in that department” (You should write an article on the age of the Cowboy’s offenisve line. I bet a lot of Eagles fans would come here and cite to it if you were to write such an article). Terry’s argument against Dez is that he is a bad seed. You may have noticed that Terry has yet to make any statements applauding Dez’s performance in OTA and now camp, despite your assertion that Terry “defends everything Cowboy-related.” Terry does not like Dez, and now that he has staked out that position, he will not deviate from it, no matter what Dez does on or off the field. Eveyr misstep will be magnified, and every good play will be because Romo made a perfect throw. Agreeing with Terry on the subject of Dez does not put your arguments in a good light.

Furhermore, telling Roy Williams to kiss his tucchus makes Dez my hero, and there are many here which agree with me. Dez will get some blowback from the vets on the team, but come week three or four, when Roy is sitting on the bench (unless they bring him in for blitz protection) no one is going to give a crap about Dez not carrying Roy’s crap off the field.

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
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by Seanrude on Jul 26, 2010 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

pot meet kettle

You’re one to accuse anyone of being irrational when you are the same regarding Bryant and RW. Nobody is more of a Dez homer and RW than you which makes your opinion of this issue totally irrational.

The only fans that agree with you are the same Dez homers and RW haters like yourself.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 26, 2010 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

I a not a Dez homer

I just think that the NCAA suspension was horse$h!t, and am glad that a guy of his obvious talents fell to Dallas.

As for Roy, go ahead, defend that no pass catching lousy route running “I am a #1 Bad Man” worst trade in Dallas history but awesome blocker.

Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
My Beer Blog: http://tiltingsuds.wordpress.com/

by Seanrude on Jul 26, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

and franky, you have proven me right on this

You have not once applauded Dez for signing early (even before BFF Sean Lee), instead chalking it up to Stephen and Jerry getting it done. It takes both sides to agree to a contract. You have not once applauded Dez for what have been by all accounts his stellar performances in the offseason camps and now training camp. But the first whiff of controversy, the first time something happens that you can use to further your pre-determined narrative that “Dez is a bad guy” here you are with trumpets blazing.

At some point this season, Dez is going to make a ridiculous circus catch that will make all of us jump out of our seats. Does anybody doubt that Terry’s comment on the game thread is going to be “Romo put that ball in the only place that a catch could be made” or something to that effect? Anybody want to bet against that?

And as for me hating Romo, for the umpteenth time, the dog on the right hand side of my avatar photo is named Romo. I don’t hate Romo, I just don’t want to bear his children.

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by Seanrude on Jul 26, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

it's because Dez had nothing to do with it

Agents control when their clients sign, to believe otherwise is being naive. Regarding his performance in camps, I never questioned his talent, only his attitude. I also never said he is a bad guy, only that he is a little to arrogant and immature for my taste.

He loses both, I’ll have no problem with him.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 26, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Players hire their agents, who is being naive?

Again, you have never said anything positive about Dez, but jumped at the earliest opportunity to bash him for his attitude, whereas if it was one of your BFFs lighting it up in camp, you’d be on here morning noon and night shouting “HALLELUJAH” from the mountain top.

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by Seanrude on Jul 26, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

every rookie wants to be in camp from day one

I have yet to hear a rookie say he really wants to hold out for more money….give me a break

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 27, 2010 8:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

because their agents tell them to

they convince them they are worth more money and that they are paying them to take their advise and they are.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 27, 2010 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

but every rookie wants to be in camp

so they would be like dez and make sure a deal is done. afterall they are paying the agent. Im sorry but you are wrong on this one.

Not every player wants to be in camp. sometimes players just want to get paid.

Really?! Really?!

by thebigham on Jul 27, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Jul 29, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I get it. The Niners wanted Crabtree to hold out, so that is why he was not in camp

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by Seanrude on Jul 27, 2010 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

obviously Niners didn't care about Crabtree

as much as Cowboys cared about Bryant

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 27, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

and just as obviously, Bryant wanted to be in camp from day one

Your failure to see this makes you childish, naive, and your opinion is ridiculous, unlike my opinion which is common sense, Big DIfference

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by Seanrude on Jul 27, 2010 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

as do all rookies

and right back at you chief

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 27, 2010 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

you are honestly saying you have never heard a rookie say "I need to get paid"?

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by Seanrude on Jul 27, 2010 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

I didn't say that

I said I never heard a rookie say he wants to hold out….of course the players don’t play for nothing

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by Terry on Jul 27, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

that is a distinction without a difference

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by Seanrude on Jul 27, 2010 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Guys the off season is over.

We have real football to talk about. Training camp is going full throttle.

by DIRE WOLF on Jul 27, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

I never heard a rookie say

he wants to get paid at the expense of a long holdout, they all want to get in camp and get paid. They all do, not just Dez.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 27, 2010 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

actually what you said is "I have yet to hear a rookie say he really wants to hold out for more money"

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by Seanrude on Jul 27, 2010 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well

There was Jamarcus Russell and Michael Crabtree.

Underestimate No One, Take Nothing For Granted

by SaintsFanInIraq on Jul 27, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

I smell BS

Saying Dez had nothing to do with it is naive.

By that logic, Crabtree had nothing to do with his holdout. I’m sure he was begging Eugene Parker to sign a deal so he could play, but big bad ol’ Eugene said “sorry Crabs, you belong to me and I say no!”

But then Parker’s multiple personality disorder arose before this offseason and he magically became a guy who thought it was very important to get his top WR client signed early.

Clearly, Crabtree and Dez are just hopeless pawns living in Eugene Parker’s world.

by Key19 on Jul 27, 2010 12:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, I'm sure Crabtree wanted to hold out that long

the guy probably hates to play football

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 27, 2010 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did he want to hold out that long? No, but he wanted the best deal he coud get

Players are not puppets of their agents, They make decisions, and if they tell their agent to get a deal done, a deal gets done.

Do you think Dez could have gotten more money if he held out? Let’s see: He signed for less than the 24th pick in last year’s draft, he was the first to sign from the first round, and he could have made a reasonable argument that he was a top ten talent and deserved top ten money. Would he have been given top ten money? No, but he probably would have made more. He made it a priority to be in camp on time, just as much as the Cowboys made it a priority to get him there on time. It takes two to negotiate.

I am too lazy to look this up, but when Romo signed his big contract and avoided an offseason contract mess, I am positive to the point of metaphysical certainty, that you chalked it all up to his agent, right? I am sure that you said nothing along the lines of “This shows what a good guy Romo is.” It was all his agent, Romo had absolutely nothing to do with it.

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by Seanrude on Jul 27, 2010 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Romo's situation was all together different

Romo was already under contract and simply negotiated an extension…Bryant is a rookie, those kids listen to their agents because they simply don’t know any better

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 27, 2010 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol terry..i see a smaack down on your horizon.......

grabs my gps…..

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 26, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

You are now MY hero
Furhermore, telling Roy Williams to kiss his tucchus makes Dez my hero

Outstanding post!

by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 27, 2010 7:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

JimmyK ...

Did we go to college together? Cause that was my M.O. also!

by alanTdot. on Jul 27, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol wake up terry and know the truth behind why he refused!

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 26, 2010 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah, he's an arrogant punk

who really needs straightened out by the vets on the team

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 27, 2010 7:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Glad to see you are judgmental as ever.

If Dez Bryant is an arrogant punk, what does that make your boy Jonathan Baldwin?

If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.

by Cowboyfan729 on Jul 27, 2010 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dez carried RWillies pads in the morning practice

Refused in the second practice.
http://tinyurl.com/29rwjur

Tim Cowlinshaw witnessed it. Roy even said he wanted him to refuse so he could take it to the next level.

Much ado about nothing. People are prejudging Dez and attempting to collect a history of petulant behavior by crashing words together.

by alanTdot. on Jul 27, 2010 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

You can post that as many times as you want...

Terry’s still going to ignore it. He has several times already when myself and others have posted it. It doesn’t fit his argument so he moves on to a different part of the argument.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Jul 27, 2010 10:25 AM CDT up reply actions  

You are ridiculous, childish and naive; Terry is not, Big Difference

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by Seanrude on Jul 27, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Man,

I’ve really got to get those pictures of myself in that clown suit removed from the internet. Everyone’s catching on.LOL

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Jul 27, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

jimmy lol your bored of eagles site im guessin lol

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 26, 2010 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

your a day late jimmy lol

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 26, 2010 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bryant has a bright future. He has the personality and attitude to match his obvious talent. I honestly think he can become the best WR in the league, his negatives were blown way way way out of proportion. In the grand scale of things what he did was on the very low end in off field drama, the fact that so many teams passed on him is ridiculous, and a couple of seaons from now (or even as soon as this season) people will be like “what the hell were all those teams thinking”.

Cowboys got a huge steal, and the fact that he signed for such a reasonable contract so soon, is just another plus in his column. My #88 Bryant jersey is on it’s way to me, this is the first time I’ve ever brought a jersey of a guy who hasn’t even played a game, that’s how sure I am he’s going to be a star.

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Haters gonna hate.

by LBJ6Heat on Jul 25, 2010 9:25 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice post, RS

But (no disrespect), I just wish you had a different handle. I’ve heard stupid Philly fans chanting this as if its witty or clever.

by Eagles suck on Jul 26, 2010 2:14 AM CDT reply actions  

I appreciate it. I wrote this before the Pad issue.

But even so, the pad story doesn’t nullify it by any means. Terry, I admit I was upset when we drafted Dez too with the other concerns position wise. As time has passed, I LOVE the pic. Dez will most likely be around for a long time. In that span of time we can assume he will have made WAY more of an impact than any other player available. If he turns out to be everything he’s been labeled to be as a football player it will be worth it. This Dez Bryant bad guy bullsh*t is really annoying. Even before he came to us I felt for the guy. I think its crazy he was suspended from playing in the first place. Div 1 athletes have gotten lesser punishment for significantly worse crimes. Now he doesnt carry roy williams pads and it is headline news across the country that every writer is weighing in on? Not carrying pads? Really? He’s a selfish thug a-hole because he wouldn’t carry pads? I tried to make this post witty and clever, the main point being that this guy is being treated like he killed a puppy. He lied about being with someone who he was allowed to be with? Can’t trust this guy. He didnt carry roy williams pads after busting his arse in practice? What a selfish d bag. Get real, this guy is a stud, he’s gonna help our team, like i said, way more than any other pick available , we can assume, would have. Hes trying to show everyone that they were wrong. Look at it like this, if refusal to carry someones pads is the worst thing Dez Bryant does we’ll all be fine. Based of his past behavior does anything stand out to make me think he’s gonna be a real problem to the cowboys or his teamates? NOT AT ALL

Fulton Greenwall: Perhaps we should slow down just a teensy-weensy bit?
Ace Ventura: Nonsense, poopy-pants.

by I am a Romosexual on Jul 28, 2010 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

you obviously wrote this post prior to his refusal to carry RWs pads

This is the type of attitude teams were concerned about when they passed him in the draft. Too good to carry a veteran’s pads?? You got to be kidding me…hopefully this isn’t a harbinger for things to come.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 26, 2010 7:46 AM CDT reply actions  

Yeah, we really read about this a lot pre-draft.
This is the type of attitude teams were concerned about when they passed him in the draft.

What, he finally did “something” the doubters can jump on?

Let’s see if he keeps doing it the whole camp. He’s immature. Maybe he just needs to have the tradition explained to him. Let’s see if he balks at the other traditions, like singing the alma mater. That will really prove all the doom and gloomers right.

"We'll see." --Bill Parcells

by Uncle Angus on Jul 26, 2010 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Too good to carry Roy's pads, Big Difference

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by Seanrude on Jul 26, 2010 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

no difference at all

Like Archer said in his article, it’s the message, not the messenger thats at issue.

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Jul 26, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

cutting is not good enough

Dallas must publicly humiliate him, then exile him to Siberia.

Or Cleveland

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by Seanrude on Jul 26, 2010 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

Sending him to Siberia would be unpleasant. Cleveland would be inhumane

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by Seanrude on Jul 26, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wait till Tex gets a hold of this story.

It may match the huge story about Romo going to Cabo and Vegas.

by DIRE WOLF on Jul 26, 2010 10:51 AM CDT reply actions  

I dont often post here much, but EaglesLand is pretty quiet today, and i wanted to see the reactions of Dez not carrying RW’s pads….

My take…is that this really isnt a big deal by itself. I think the guy has a major ego and after a couple of practices and showing off some very good stuff, he’s already gaining a comfort level that could lead to bigger issues down the road. Hard worker so far? Yup. But bypassing some stupid traditions because you think you’re above it could be a small dose of whats to come once he scores a few TD’s and gets more ESPN face time.

As long as he keeps his feet on the ground….i say he’ll be fine. If he starts acting “larger than life”….problems will follow.

If you dont like Big Red, then F#%@ You!
-Ricky Bobby

by GreenInBaltimore on Jul 26, 2010 11:13 AM CDT reply actions  

Pretty quiet? Get your ass back over there and look at my slideshow again if you’re bored. Ingrate!

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jul 26, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

haha. i saw the wonderful slideshow.

Problem was…..
….it left my speechless.

Not good for a blog! haha

If you dont like Big Red, then F#%@ You!
-Ricky Bobby

by GreenInBaltimore on Jul 26, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

OK, you’re excused.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jul 26, 2010 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well you never know...

as an eagles fan it made me chuckle to hear this brought up on ESPN.

My take, its not a big deal, if he alienates the locker room it could be, but refusing to carry one vets pads and alienating the locker room are very far apart.

I know what its like to hear about your WR’s “diva” attitude before they have done anything wrong, think DeSean Jackson, hasn’t done one thing wrong, but everyone keeps talking about him being a diva.

Get used to it cowboys fans, once the media makes a blanket statement about a guy and his attitude, that’s it, it’s that way for life.

Although, DeSean hasn’t done anything wrong, and now Dez has this one thing…..battle of the DIVAS!!!

by PierrEagles on Jul 26, 2010 11:36 AM CDT reply actions  

and that Vet being Roy Williams, I don't think he is going to get to much crap from other guys

If he told Witten or Miles or Romo to stuff it, you’d hear a very different tone on this board, but it is Roy beeping Williams. Even the Longhorn alums who post here have pretty much had it with the guy, and they were his last defenders

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by Seanrude on Jul 26, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just like I said in a thread the other day

The mediots are DYING for controversy in Dallas. I knew they would come up with something to talk about. Now they are blowing this up so they have something to talk about with Dallas. Quite pathetic if you ask me.

by mhuff13 on Jul 26, 2010 11:38 AM CDT reply actions  

lets all come back down to earth

Dez is off to the right start with the signing and showing up ready to go

but lets all just remember what day it is and not get ahead of ourselves. there are ALOT of things still to play out.

Just trying not to raise my expectations too high. Had good ones for MartyB and well I am rooting for Phillips to straight unseat him.

by fuji1232 on Jul 26, 2010 12:48 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Jul 29, 2010 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hmmmm

Real football practices are taking place. Real actions are available to be assessed.

And everybody is talking about some hazing ritual.

A ritual, may I add, that involves Roy Williams, a guy who simply cannot stop talking to the press about any and everything, to delay the inevitable reality that Dez Bryant may already be ahead of him and will take his place, barring injury, rather soon. Yeah, he’s that much better.

But Roy’s mouth has always been bigger than his game. I’m just surprised so many people overlook the source and go straight to Dez Bryant. This is Roy, in a slow career fade, episode 9.

by Rafael Vela on Jul 26, 2010 12:55 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

but, but, but Dez has a bad attitude!

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by Seanrude on Jul 26, 2010 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Raf

does Roy look that bad or does Dez look that good?

by Musiccitynorm on Jul 26, 2010 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's the key point - how this story got to the media

Maybe Dez was being a little defensive, could’ve handled it better and laughed it off…but the whole point of this ritual is about building team trust and unity, and it’s Roy more than Dez who it threatening that.

All rookie’s need a little time to learn the culture they’re stepping into and this would’ve all just been handled in the locker-room, as it should be, if Roy hadn’t fed the story to the press calling Dez “ornery” about carrying pads.

Was Dez being a primadonna in his refusal or just standing his ground because the undercurrent of Roy’s request was “carry my pads, [site decorum]”? None of us know, but what’s clear is Roy took a team-building tradition that could be handled lots of ways and turned it into an unnecessary distraction. Not nearly as bad as the balls he drops, but just another sign he’s neither the leader nor the player he claims to be.

My guess is Dez has already gotten some good advice on smoothing this out from someone on the team he respects, and this is a non-issue before the week’s over.

by Left Coast Cowboy on Jul 26, 2010 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Exactly

I’ve heard a few stories about rookies resisting the hazing that is done, but the story is always leaked. Never once has a player come to the media and made a fuss about it. Roy coming to the media about this is detrimental to the team. This can and should be handled by the players, not through the media, regardless of whether you think Dez is right or wrong.
At least Roy’s drops are forgiveable because we know he’s at least trying to catch them. This is something else entirely.

by TheAnsah on Jul 26, 2010 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Raf, what’s your email address?

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jul 26, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

…or if you’d prefer would you mind emailing me at bgn.jimmyk@gmail.com?

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jul 26, 2010 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

but hey, your an eagles fan

giving your e-mail out on a cowboys site.

by Musiccitynorm on Jul 26, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

lol music hehehehe

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 26, 2010 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ha, it’s no biggie. It’s just my BGN email. It’s not like it’s a work email or something, so bring on the hate mail.

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jul 27, 2010 7:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Consider it brought

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Jul 29, 2010 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agree and stated something similar in an earlier post

Dez is also not the first rookie to come to camp and diss the rookie hazing..There were many players in the past as well that took the same action as Dez has done..For example J Trotter of the eagles did not the same thing…Time to move on

by scandrick32 on Jul 26, 2010 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

Link?

Formerly Bye, Dawk :(

by JimmyK on Jul 26, 2010 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Link?

I have no link but his former teamate Ike Reese spoke about the Dez situation and basically said its done all the time including by his fomer teamate J Trotter…

by scandrick32 on Jul 26, 2010 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

...

The botton line is everything regarding the dallas cowboys gets magnified no matter how large or small the issue is. Thats the way it is and it will never change. However, I do not think JJ would want any other way :)

by scandrick32 on Jul 26, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

raf ..your insight to truth where rality is concerned is right on!

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 26, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rec'd.

You said it perfectly.

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Haters gonna hate.

by LBJ6Heat on Jul 27, 2010 2:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hmm, where is Terry's outrage to this report obviously written by a Roy hater?

And thank you for weighing in on this non-issue, Raf.

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Jul 29, 2010 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

I couldn't believe this quote from Peter King today in his MMQB
I think I love the fact that Dez Bryant, star rookie receiver for the Cowboys, wouldn’t carry the pads of Roy Williams, fading veteran receiver for the Cowboys. Not that I defend a rookie showing up a vet in a harmless bit of rookie hazing. But it’s just that I want a guy I think will be a big-time player to have some attitude to him — so long as he shows up and practices hard every day. He’s there to play football, not carry someone’s pads. I love that. Now, he’ll pay for it somehow, but he’s drawing his own line there. Good for him.

by mhuff13 on Jul 26, 2010 2:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Think about that for a minute.

You are agreeing with Peter King. Think about how you feel about almost everything else that he writes. Then ask yourself, “Do I still believe feel like Dez did the right thing?”

And for the record, I am doing the same thing right now since I seem to agree with Byedawk and Terry.

by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 26, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

No I still agree with Peter King

Simply because this is an absolutely absurd story that only gets national press because it’s the Cowboys. It’s amazing how much of a story this non-story has become. Do you think this would get the same press if Sam Bradford, who REALLY needs to get the respect of his teammates, did it? For some reason I doubt it.

by mhuff13 on Jul 27, 2010 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Tough for some to admit they might have some underlying bias against Dez influencing their reaction

No doubt brought on by media reports of what a bad guy he was (even though he has no criminal record at all, and everyone that knows him seems to like him a lot)

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Jul 29, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

YES!

Fulton Greenwall: Perhaps we should slow down just a teensy-weensy bit?
Ace Ventura: Nonsense, poopy-pants.

by I am a Romosexual on Jul 26, 2010 3:56 PM CDT reply actions  

good article

Dez is going to torture opposing teams defenses much like Randy moss did when they passed over him…..this kid has all the tools to be a great one..

by Boyzfan94 on Jul 26, 2010 5:50 PM CDT reply actions  

I just hope Bryant doesnt make claims

like desean jackson did. If he doesnt run his mouth im ok with him.
dont want terry and bye talk to start comparing those two

by Niland85 on Jul 26, 2010 9:54 PM CDT reply actions  

I think Peter King got it exactly right, as long as Dez does the important things like practicing hard (which he has done) then there is no problem with him making a statement in a meaningless thing like hazing. Carrying things for someone else doesn’t make him a better player, so him refusing to do it is fine, as long as he is doing the important things, which he is.

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Haters gonna hate.

by LBJ6Heat on Jul 27, 2010 2:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

amen

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Jul 29, 2010 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

My Take On Bryant

I think he is every bit as talented as he is billed. I think he gives the Cowboys a great solid #2 option. Crayton is average, and as I have heard it said, Row Williams is just like TO, minus the talent. Romo had a pretty good year last year, and I think with Austin and Bryant in the WR roles, Throw in Witten, Barber, Choice and Jones as good solid options and I think that you are looking at a very tough offense. I think Williams needs to be dealt to Cincinatti or Cleveland or something.

As far as the attitude goes, I think he has a very positive attitude towards the game and a pretty poor attitude towards Williams. I can’t say that I blame him either. However, I wouldn’t try to pull that not carrying pads routine with Witten or Austin. That would be disrespectful.

The only thing I really dislike about Bryant is his wearing of the 88. I know and understand that jerseys are limited with number options, but I figured that number should have been retired.

Underestimate No One, Take Nothing For Granted

by SaintsFanInIraq on Jul 27, 2010 10:16 AM CDT reply actions  

Cowboys fans would tend to agree about #'s 12, 88, and 54

but they just don’t retire #‘s. They’ve got the "Ring of Honor thing going.

It does show guts wearing 88 though.

Then again, a pretty lame backup LB, B Carpenter, wore # 54 of all-time NFL greats (not just Cowboys greats) Bob Lilly and Randy White the last few years. So if they’re not retired, they are available I guess.

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Jul 27, 2010 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bob Lilly wore #74; You are thinking of Chuck Howley (who should be in the HOF)

And it was the team who gave Dez #88. They obviously think he will be good enough to wear it with pride

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by Seanrude on Jul 27, 2010 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

right!

good catch

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Jul 27, 2010 6:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

but it should be noted

no one has worn 22 yet. I think that number is all but retired

Really?! Really?!

by thebigham on Jul 27, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't #8 has been given out either, or #12

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by Seanrude on Jul 27, 2010 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

and #12

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by Seanrude on Jul 29, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

They're not retired,

They just don’t give them to anyone. 33, 22, 12, 74,8, and I might have forgot one. Drew was ask if he minded Irvin getting #88. Irvin will tell you that #88 is Drews # and he let him wear it. Nobody wore #17 untill the great Quincy Carter.

by DIRE WOLF on Jul 27, 2010 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

I understand completely.

They gave New Orleans’ #57 to our log snapper. That was Rickey Jackson’s #, so it kinda gives you a sinking feeling knowing that the LS is wearing it.

Underestimate No One, Take Nothing For Granted

by SaintsFanInIraq on Jul 27, 2010 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

#88: A Legacy Jersey

I sort of like the idea of a Legacy Jersey. Hopefully Dez’ play will allow him to join Drew and Michael as the guys who starred wearing #88.

I smell a Jerry Jones marketing opportunity….#88: Greatness Through the Ages…..lots of t-shirts and jersey sales connecting those three together through the #88 jersey. After growing up watching the Cowboys in the 1970’s and loving the 1990’s dynasty, I think I’d buy one. You can never have too much Cowboys gear.

by Cowboy.Louie on Jul 27, 2010 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Assuming Dez lives up to that legacy, I'd buy that t-shirt

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by Seanrude on Jul 27, 2010 3:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

ring the bell

we have a winner

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"Yeah, he's good. Dez Bryant is smooth, fast and has velcro hands.... He's going to give his QBs a giant comfort zone; if you throw it in his vicinity, odds are very good that he'll catch it."- Rafeal Vela, 1st day of 2010 training camp.

by KD Drummond on Jul 27, 2010 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

cynic

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Jul 29, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

HopefullyRW wont be here or be in the starting line-up long enough...

My money says that RW didnt just “tell” him in a hazing fun, off the cusp sort of way…If my money was being gambled it would be that RW thought he had the in-alienable right to “tell” Dez to carry his pads…When Roy was playing for the ‘Horns he had a decent enough attitude, and drive, and he did impress me then…But since hes got the big contract, and big money, and we had to sell the farm to get him, he aint shown me anything, no nothing at all…AND WE NEVER WILL!!! JimmyK we know that the real reason your down-smacking Dez is cause hes going to be what your beagles are gonna have night-mares about. Draft day when it was Dez’s name called for the Cowboys, 1CC put up a OPEN THREAD comment fan-post concerning the jealous, angered fans of other teams watching the draft. I dont agree with anybody who comes on here just to down-smack my COWBOYS. Every DC fan who goes to the BGN blog, they would get banned if they said half of what you do on here. That being said I just agree with most NEWS commentators on Sports issues, and almost to a man they say that Dez is right, and that Rookie hazing should end. That was for teams back in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and early 90s when it was a pretty sure thing that your career started and ended with the team that drafted you. These guys were going to be not only teammates but friends in real life for probably between 10-15 years. Then comraderie and bonding with your teammates was very very important. Now with free-agency, like the man said, before you get your own cleats out your bag, another person will be sitting in the seat next to you, maybe, maybe not…

I truly believe that Terry will come around, as Bryant and Romo gel together, and Dez brings the COWBOYS closer to the mark. I think that as he sees that as Dez fulfills the expectations his drafting was to bring us, he’ll change his mind. Terry is not STUPID, ARROGANT, and vindictive as someone accused him of being. A little Stubborn, and forceful, maybe, but not them other things.

What is the scoop on Victor Butler? How is he doing? Mark my word that boy is gonna be a whole lot of trouble for some offenses this year. Every time he got on the field last year he was either sacking or hurrying the hell out of the QB. After D-Ware, James and Ratliff he is my favorite defensive player. Remember last year in the win in Philly when he sho-string tackled McNabb to prevent the 3rd down conversion. What my friends is a prettier sight than seeing an iggle QB with his face-mask full of grass, and dirt.?NOTHING!!!11 days and hours before pre-season starts. Keeping my eye on the clock, and wishing it would turn faster.

by drifter1234 on Jul 27, 2010 9:28 PM CDT reply actions  

While Dez does appear to be nothing like whatever the media played him out to be....

doesn’t he have to uh…..play, first? Practice is nice. Oklahoma St. is great too, but the only thing the Cowboys did is get an excellent WR prospect much later in the draft then when he should’ve gone.

I ain’t saying he’s gonna flop, not at all. But there’s been a lot of WR’s who get drafted who are as talented as him who flop in the NFL. Dez would not at all be the first.

How can you say I told you so before he even gets a chance to “say” anything, at least on the field?

Maybe they got another Andre Johnson who fell in to #24, or maybe they got another Charles Rogers.

Dez is a great talent with the potential to be a top 10 WR. Other then that, no one’s told anyone anything just yet.

Go New York Go!

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 28, 2010 6:40 PM CDT reply actions  

Talent had nothing to do with Charles Rodgers

It was a combination of bad luck, terrible work ethic, and in the end a drug addiction. He fractured his collar bone I believe it was…..2 years in a row. Then he got lazy. Then he got into coke.

by mhuff13 on Jul 28, 2010 10:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

exactly...pretty sure that's the point, actually

You never know. I seem to remember at Cowboys WR wearing #88 who got into the yips before. Didn’t exactly hurt his playing ability…but definitely a coke head.

Saying “I told you so” and the “Cowboys were right” before the guy’s actual career even starts…its just, why?

Nothing wrong with being excited about a draft pick, but how’s about he actually does something before anyone’s “right”. Cuz there’s still plenty of time to be wrong in this case.

Go New York Go!

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 29, 2010 7:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

It's not a 'performance' topic. It's an 'attitude and work ethic' topic

He’s not saying anything about how he is going to play on the field. The article is 95% about how he was signed in time—first first rounder to sign—it’s about how he was in TC on time. It’s about how he hasn’t been lazy. How he has used his time wisely in the short time he has been here.

Granted, can you always tell everything in one week? No, you cant, but that is a stupid argument. Someone can be a choir boy their entire life and then go and do something really dumb 15 years later. All the guy is saying is that Dez said he wanted to be a good kid and grow up and do the right things, and so far he has.

by JLMax09 on Jul 29, 2010 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Eh...its only stupid if someone's trying to blow it off and overlook it.

Sure, anyone can make a dumb mistake. But well..I highly doubt Dez earned his “rep” by the one incident. You don’t get that based on one thing.

Maybe this is who he really is, team oriented dude who says and does all things the right way, basically another Andre Johnson…but the point is you don’t know. He’s saying and seemingly doing all the right things, but it takes time.

Hate to bring up TO, but wasn’t he doing all the right things when he first was in Dallas? In season frustrations and turmoil bring out the real character in a player.

I’m not exactly rooting for him, but in no way would I root for him to be an a-hole and flame out…I’d rather see a young dude succeed and show his god given talent.

But the Cowboys aren’t right, everyone else isn’t wrong, at this point with Dez Bryant. There’s a long way to go. Talent, attitude and whether or not a rookie pans out, take time. Lots of Dez Bryants have flamed out in the NFL (plenty have succeeded too)

Go New York Go!

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 29, 2010 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

T.O. had a history of being a horses' ass. Congrats to T.O., he bit his tongue for most of the first year.

Dez has a history of not reporting a visit with Deion, and allegedly being late to EVERYTHING. T.O. is not a ‘bad guy,’ but he and Dez are still two different types of cats.

by JLMax09 on Jul 29, 2010 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Also funny you mentioning T.O. on a blog that is commending Dez for showing up on time(and early)

Considering T.O. missed his flight out to Cincinnati last night and he wasnt able to take his physical or sign his contract, meaning he cant participate in the first practice with his new team.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5idjphL_rh8nAe0fJBFmLh2cKIxbQD9H8RNGG0

Assuming you don’t want to hit the link:

On his Twitter account, Owens posted a note Wednesday night saying he was headed to see a movie. He didn’t explain why he missed his flight on Thursday, but confirmed that his news conference had to be rescheduled.

“My Press conf about my “Decision” 2 take my talents 2 Cincy will b held 2nite after 7pm practice!!" he tweeted, playing off LeBron James’ one-hour television show announcing his decision to leave Cleveland.
Owens also misspelled Cincinnati in one of his tweets and was quickly corrected by a follower.
“Okayyyyyy I got it now, 2 n’s & 1 t! CINCINNATI!! LOL!” he tweeted.

The 22 year old can figure out time…the 36 year old cant.

by JLMax09 on Jul 29, 2010 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks JL

The main point of the post was that you would think Dez should have had a couple run ins with the law by now, based off of the pre draft label put on him. All the teams that passed on Dez thought he was a liability based of a single incident that wasnt even bad. I cant find ANYTHING bad about him other than the Primetime issue. You would think a guy with a history like Dez, rough childhood and all would have a blindside movie by now. The things he overcame to be where he is now is really impressive. I see him as a success story and give him credit for handeling himself so well up to this point. . .

Fulton Greenwall: Perhaps we should slow down just a teensy-weensy bit?
Ace Ventura: Nonsense, poopy-pants.

by I am a Romosexual on Jul 29, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Isn't it great how all these fans of other teams (Bye Dawk, Bradshaw, the guy from Denver) are coming here to share their concerns over Dez?

 Thanks, Guys, we all appreciate your deep concern over whether Dallas’ first round pick is an Eagle Scout or the Spawn of Satan

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by Seanrude on Jul 29, 2010 9:21 AM CDT reply actions  

Spawn of Satan and a Coke Wh*re

How can that NOT translate to success on the field!?

Don’t forget the guy from Carolina on the ‘Dez Contract’ Thread lol

by JLMax09 on Jul 29, 2010 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

eh...

you’d do the same if Giants fans were claiming JPP was the next Strahan.

Go New York Go!

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 29, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, I would not. I would not know that because I do not go over to Big Blue View

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by Seanrude on Jul 29, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

No we wouldn't

Don’t try to make everyone out to be the type that loves to go to other teams sites to throw in their 2 cents on matters that don’t concern their team. That is only an extremely small, tiny, minuscule % of bloggers. Not my cup of tea, but if it makes you happy then be prepared for what comes your way.

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Jul 29, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

BTW, is JPP the next Strahan?

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by Seanrude on Jul 29, 2010 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Most Cowboys fans

don’t care enough about the Giants to go to their sites.

It’s like how Texas A&M thinks there’s a rivalry between them and Texas, but Texas has bigger fish to fry.

by soccer style on Jul 29, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Free,

Who are the Cowboys that are sounding off saying Dez is the 2nd coming of Michael Irvin and Drew Pearson? We haven’t said any such thing. Are we excited about drafting him? Yes. Are we rooting for this guy to succeed? Yes. Have we brought out the anointing oil and crowned him? No. The purpose of this post is to highlight the fact that to date, Dez has made the naysayers (regarding his character, attitude, and work ethic) eat their crow. Can Dez still do a 180 and become the next basket case/off-field casualty in the NFL? Yes. But until that happens the kids biggest missteps in life have been 1) being tardy as a Freshman at OK St; 2) Lying about a legal interaction with Sanders; 3) Misplacing his shoes at the combine; 4) His dad was a drug dealer, and his mom might have been a hooker. Items 1-3 is hardly clear and convincing evidence that the book should be thrown at him regarding his label in the NFL, and he shouldn’t have to answer for how his parents chose to live their lives.

Never underestimate the power of a neck brace and wheelchair. In Donnie Walsh I trust!

by Rohpuri on Jul 29, 2010 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

I agrre with Sean...

BGN, BBR, and the likes couldnt take the truth on their blogs, like they seem to think is their right to come on here and blog to us.Jason has banned several(no many,rather)claiming we are trolls. Or for some other equally no-nonsense reason. Im not lying ask around and youll see. And dont utter a cross or slang cuss word on BBR cause that clown over there will send you a warning, unless the slight is about(preferably, Im sure) Dallas. Somebody said that they were banned from BGN because they commentd on the immaturity of Deshean Jackson. Do you recall who that was ByeDawk(aka JimmyK)?…FEAR THE STAR

by drifter1234 on Jul 29, 2010 12:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Here is all I care about with Dez, from another article from Burger King
But this is how high Bryant’s stock is: Two members of the Cowboy hierarchy told me they’ve got to start ratcheting down the Bryant’s-a-superstar talk coming out of camp. So you watch — you’re going to start hearing the coaches say, "This kid’s got a long way to go,‘’ in the next week or so. But deep down, the Cowboys have been wowed by his work ethic, ability to go up and make tough catches, and how quickly he’s picking up the offense.

by mhuff13 on Jul 29, 2010 5:57 PM CDT reply actions  

That is pure drivel. Dez is an egomaniac, lazy, and he drowns kittens in his spare time

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by Seanrude on Jul 29, 2010 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dez is responsible for all of the evil in the world.

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by Seanrude on Jul 29, 2010 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

T.O. is gonna retire soon

The mediots need to create their new ‘monster’.

by mhuff13 on Jul 29, 2010 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is the truth

A friend of mine whose a hard-core Eagles fan, who covers the 49ers for Scout.com and updates the 49ers’ Rapid Reports over at CBSsports.com, has already anointed Dez the next T.O. because of the Deion Sanders incident and because of his refusal to carry Roy’s pads after the afternoon practice, saying he’s proved himself to be nothing but an A-hole and that he will ultimately kill the Cowboys chemistry. In his email to me he ends “Drama in Dallas never fails.”

I informed my overzealous friend:
a) DeSean Jackson was an instigator in running McNabb out of town, and an idiot for giving Dallas bulletin board material before the playoff game and
b) Michael Crabtree was literally a verifiable punk during pre-draft interviews last year who also held out until week 5/6 last season because he wasn’t picked where Mel Kipper thought he would go.

Upon receipt of those refresher’s of memory along with the fact that Dez didn’t hold out, my friend could not be reached for comment, except to say “F off.”

Never underestimate the power of a neck brace and wheelchair. In Donnie Walsh I trust!

by Rohpuri on Jul 29, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Then today my friend replies

You should completely know, expect, and understand that as an Eagles fan, I (he) would be excited about this.

Never underestimate the power of a neck brace and wheelchair. In Donnie Walsh I trust!

by Rohpuri on Jul 29, 2010 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions  

The media will try to create that reality

Even though he is nothing compared to Crabtree and Jackson, because of his suspension and he plays for the Cowboys…..they will force feed America with the “Dez Bryant is the devil” coverage. And with the way Americans are brainwashed, that will unfortunately become most people’s reality.

by mhuff13 on Jul 30, 2010 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dez wil not be T.O..

T.O has a real problem.Dez strikes me more like Michael than a guy that whines when he does not get the ball..When he gets on the field and does his job quietly there is nothing to say..T.O did a lot of childish things in his football career.Give a guy Like Irvin anytime over the T.O’S and Moss’s of the nfl.

The ultimate warrior Troy Aikman.

by biz is winning on Jul 31, 2010 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Who doesn't like kittens?

Me.

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- "By choice! Man"

by fan since '65 on Jul 30, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

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