Cowboys No-Tackling Policy in Training Camp: Much Ado About Nothing?
Last year at about this time, there was much derision when Dallas Cowboys Head Coach Wade Phillips announced that, like in previous years, there wouldn't be any live tackling in full pads during training camp.
"We're gonna tackle in the preseason games. There's no reason to tackle our own guys. You're more susceptible to injury when you go live."
That derision obviously came to a screeching halt once people started adding up the injury reports in other NFL training camps and compared the figures to the Cowboys figures. After four years of this policy, the Cowboys are consistently one of the healthiest teams in the NFL, and have come out of camp to a 9-2 record in September under Wade Phillips.
What the Cowboys may lack in tackle training intensity they apparently make up for in practice intensity. Gerry Fraley from the DMN hunted down the training camp schedules of all NFL teams and found that the Cowboys have one of the highest number of two-a-day practice schedules:
Coach Wade Phillips has set a camp schedule that calls for 12 days with two practices. Under current schedules, only Atlanta has more, with 14. Baltimore is the only other team in double figures for twice-daily practices, with 10.
New England could crack the list. The Patriots have set the schedule only for the first week of camp and will practice twice each day.
But has the lack of tackling in camp impacted the Cowboys ability to tackle?
You can plausibly argue that tackles increase the risk of injury. You can make a valid argument that play entry is the key to successful tackling, and that it's actually harder to get into the right position to make a tackle than it is to tackle people in practice. You might want to argue that there was no tackling to the ground under Parcells either and nobody gave a hoot. You could conceivably argue against the double jeopardy of training on Astroturf and tackling. All fair points, but all beside the point.
The relevant question here is: Are the Cowboys any worse than other teams at tackling, and conversely, at breaking tackles?
In 2009, FootballOutsiders introduced a 'broken tackle' stat. They define broken tackles as one of two events:
Either the ballcarrier escapes from the grasp of the defender, or the defender is in good position for a tackle but the ballcarrier jukes him out of his shoes. If the ballcarrier sped by a slow defender who dived and missed, that did not count as a broken tackle. If the defender couldn’t bring the ballcarrier down but slowed him and still had his hand on him when another player made a tackle, that did not count as a broken tackle.
Let's look at how the Cowboys performed on offense and on defense.
Offense
One of the more exciting things to see during a game last season was Miles Austin or Felix Jones breaking a tackle or two and turning those plays into into some serious yardage gains. According to the FO stats, the Cowboys had 53 plays out of 1,001 plays with at least one broken tackle for a broken tackle percentage of 5.3%, ranked 21st in the league.
Austin (9) and Jones (19) accounted for half of the broken tackles on the team. Unfortunately, the data for the other Cowboys offensive players is unavailable, but both Austin and Jones make it into the FO Top Ten list at their respective positions:
| Wide Receivers | Running Backs | ||||||
| Rank | Player | Broken Tackles | Rank | Player | Broken Tackles | Broken Tackle Rate in % of total tackles |
|
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1. | P. Harvin (MIN) | 25 | 1. | J. Stewart (CAR) | 46 | 19.1% | |
| 2. | W. Welker (NE) | 16 | 2. | R. Rice (BAL) |
57 | 17.0% | |
| 3. | B. Marshall (DEN) | 14 | 3. | D. Williams (CAR) | 40 | 16.4% | |
| 3. | S. Smith (CAR) | 14 | 4. | A. Peterson (MIN) | 56 | 15.6% | |
| 5. | Three tied in 5th place |
11 | 5. | M. Turner (ATL) | 28 | 15.3% | |
| ... | ... | ... | ... | ... | ... | ... | |
| 10. | M. Austin (DAL) | 9 | 9. | F. Jones (DAL) |
19 | 14.3% | |
Felix Jones is likely to see more carries this year, so expect the overall team broken tackle percentage on offense to increase. And if the early OTA impression of Dez Bryant is anything to go by, opposing DB's will be slippin' n' slidin' all over the place trying to get a hold of Dez.
Defense
Nothing gets the collective blood pressure of the Cowboys fan base up more than a missed tackle in the secondary. But in all fairness, the Cowboys defense isn't all that bad. The defense allowed 5.5% of would-be-tackles to be broken last season, ranking the Cowboys 13th in the league. In total, the Cowboys allowed 54 plays with at least one broken tackle out of 971 defensive plays.
The Rams, of all teams, have the lowest rate at 4.7% and 46 plays with a broken tackle - which is only eight plays less than the Cowboys. And for eight fewer plays with broken tackles over the course of an entire season the Cowboys should be risking life and limb of their starters? Getouttahere.
Some names you wouldn't necessarily have expected populate the bottom of the list, like the Colts (31st: 7.6%), Saints (27th: 6.8%), Eagles (26th: 6.7%) and the Vikings (25th: 6.7%).
Similar to the running backs in the table above, FO calculate a broken tackle rate for defenders and have a Top 20 and a Bottom 20 list for broken tackles allowed. The Cowboys have one player on each list.
Keith Brooking allowed two broken tackles against 75 solo tackles for a broken tackle rate of 2.6% (broken tackles divided by broken tackles + solo tackles), ranking him the 12th best defender in the NFL. And in case you're wondering, no, there is no Falcon ranked higher.
Mike Jenkins on the other hand is credited with 10 broken tackles against 45 solo tackles for a broken tackle rate of 18.2%. Unfortunately, that is the 6th worst rate in the NFL. Keep in mind though that Jenkins also ranks joint 7th in the league with 18 passes defensed and joint 12th with five interceptions, so there may be a trade-off happening here that the numbers don't adequately show. Terence Newman, no slouch himself, ranked 13th in the league with 16 passes defensed, but his three interceptions are only enough for 42nd in the league.
Here's the broken tackle data for the remaining Cowboys defenders:
| Defensive Line | Linebackers | Secondary | |||||
| Player | Broken Tackles | Player | Broken Tackles | Player | Broken Tackles | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Jay Ratliff | 2 | Bradie James | 8 | Mike Jenkins | 10 | ||
| Igor Olshansky | 0 | Bobby Carpenter | 4 | Terence Newman | 7 | ||
| Marcus Spears | 0 | DeMarcus Ware | 4 | Orlando Scandrick | 5 | ||
| Stephen Bowen | 1 | Anthony Spencer | 2 | Gerald Sensabaugh | 4 | ||
| .. | .. | Keith Brooking | 2 | Ken Hamlin | 4 | ||
| .. | .. | .. | .. | Alan Ball | 4 | ||
There is no reason to suspect that the lack of tackling in training camp has had any influence on the tackling performance of the team during regular season games. Wade Phillips' policy of having players tag up instead of tackling seems to be working just fine.
Of course, Bradie James and Mike Jenkins have elevated broken tackle figures, as do our other two corners, but that's something that a couple afternoons with the tackling sled should be able to help with.
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Good Info
It puts it in perpsective when looked at against all the other teams out there. I say dont let them tackle and let them get amped for preseason and take it out on their opponents. No sense in injuring your own.
Looks like Alan Ball really struggled with his tackling
Missed 4, and that’s playing less than 1/3 the snaps of a starter, so he was on pace for about 13. That’s also playing almost 90% at safety where broken tackles are more rare than cornerback, and probably more costly than any other position. Hope he got it out of his system last year, but that seems like a stat to keep an eye on for him.
Bradie James would worry me more if we didn’t already have Lee and Williams fighting for snaps. Good stuff, OCC.
by Left Coast Cowboy on Jul 26, 2010 5:59 AM CDT reply actions
Off topic
I saw in an online article that Dez refused to carry RW’s pads off the field. I love it. I wonder if RW was afraid he would drop them if he did it himself.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 26, 2010 6:59 AM CDT reply actions
It was discussed heavily in another thread.
So I’m not trying to restart the argument, but it reflects more poorly on Dez than on Roy. If nothing else, it reflects poorly on both of them, but Dez is already fighting questions about his maturity and ability to handle things.
No one went berserk when Parcells had guys get water or when they make guys sing their fight song in front of everyone. It’s part of being a rookie and Dez not being able to handle it gives me some concerns about him that I never had before.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 26, 2010 8:59 AM CDT up reply actions
For example:
Dez Bryant refuses the chores of a lowly rookie
Dez Bryant is wrong on this one
Dallas Cowboys rookie Dez Bryant says no to tradition
Dez Bryant ruffles feathers in Cowboys camp
Cowboys WR Dez Bryant defies rookie tradition, refuses to carry Roy Williams’ shoulder pads
by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 26, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I get what you're saying
But this gets me on 2 levels. First, I’ve always thought hazing is BS and childish. I see no value in it. These are all grown men. I would include the Parcells thing with the water as being BS. This goes to a whole new level for me since it was RW. In this case, the fact that RW would even ask him to do it is just another reminder to me how completely clueless he is. If Miles Austin wanted him to do it, I might feel differently. So far, Dez has shown he is everything RW hasn’t been. Talented, hard working, interested in being really good.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 26, 2010 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions
there's a lot of things in life that are BS
but you still have to do them and rookie hazing is no different. To defy this tradition just shows why Bryant was by passed by a lot of teams and why I thought the pick was too risky.
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Get off it Terry....I know your trying to justify it because your a Dez hater.....
Dez is going to be the best draft pick of this team since Demarcus Ware and probably the best WR since Irvin..maybe even better in time….
easy
Terry is opinionated but this is the place for that.
Dez is not a risk because of this.
by Musiccitynorm on Jul 26, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh I know...me and Terry go way back..... :)
whatever you do don’t criticize Romo even if it’s warranted…lol
I'm not a Dez hater by any means
I was just pointing out why he wasn’t a top 10 pick, his attitude isn’t the best. Could be a problem down the road, nobody knows and neither do you.
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Perhaps signing his contract very early, showing up each day early, leaving late, and doing great in camp says more about his attitude than choosing not to participate in a pathetic tradition. He said he came here to play football, not to carrying things for other people, I like that attitude.
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Haters gonna hate.
yea me too
now lets see how he gets hazed.
by Musiccitynorm on Jul 26, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
You are a DEz Hater, Terry, just embrace it instead of denying it
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Thats not why he wasn't a top 10 pick.
It had nothing to do with his attitude.
AND just for the record, I think he should have taken Roy’s shoulderpads, but you of all people are one of the least objective people to throw out your viewpoint on it.
You basiclly called Dez Bryant everything short of mentally retarded and a criminal, and than before he was drafted you wanted to pick a guy NEXT year that actually has a criminal record.
There have been TONS of reports of Dez Bryant killing it in camp, and you hardly make a whisper.
But the first screw up, the FIRST time that there is something that could be taken wrong, you show up and start thread whoring.
You know who else does that? Tex, but at least it seems like he’s aware that he’s a running joke.
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it had everything to do with his attitude
If you want to overlook this problem, go ahead but I guarantee the vets like Witten will straighten his ass out and hopefully it will be a lot more expensive and painful for the punk than just carrying shoulder pads.
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wow you really are showing your age
You are wishing that on dez because he didnt carry some bums pads.
Its 2010 Hazing is long gone and for good reason. It serves ZERO purpose. There are alot better ways to teach values. Try a confidence course.
Really?! Really?!
We all remember hazing type incidents
The people who support that kind of BS and the ones I remember were almost always the biggest losers. RW is a perfect example. An underachieving loser who is clueless. I’m willing to bet the people here who are so adamant about the importance of hazing are probably the same type.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 27, 2010 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Read what I wrote.
I am not overlooking it. I think he should have carried his pads.
His problem had to do with immaturity in the past not attitude.
I have a problem with you commenting on anything Dez Bryant OR Tony Romo related because you have a clear bias either way.
You’re a hypocrite that lives in an ivory tower of judgement.
Once again you have given him ZERO credit the entire offseason for the things he’s done right and the first time he slips up you are all over him like flies on crap. There is nothing that seperates you from Tex in my opinion. You both pass judgement out like candy, and have a much too high opinion of yourself.
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immaturity and attitude go hand in hand
and people like you shouldn’t throw stones who live in glass houses.
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What glass house does Iron FIst live in?
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The one that resides in objectiveville.
I’d still love to hear the excuse for why he wanted to draft a guy who had numerous law problems next year.
A comment like that can be translated too… “I have nothing really to come back with so I’ll just make something up.”
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not true
the translation is that you criticize me for passing judgment on players but you’re the first to pass judgment on me….yes..glass houses
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Sure.
So you haven’t been adamently against Dez Bryant before and since he signed and one of the first people to defend Romo at every chance.
You didn’t say you wanted to draft a guy in 2011 that has a criminal record.
I made ALL of that up.
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I've never been adamently against Dez
I viewed the pick as very risky and to a certain extent I still do until he proves to me he really has matured.
I defend Romo because most of the criticism he takes is extremely unjustified.
Regarding Baldwin, I think he’s a tremendous talent like Byrant, but if his legal troubles continue, I wouldn’t want to have anything to do with him.
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Sure.
What do you have to think someone is the spawn of satan to be adamantly against someone?
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Errr...I thought he was a lawyer?
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Jul 27, 2010 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions
saying somebody is risky isn't the same
as being adamantly against him. I love his talent, but don’t like the attitude so far. Hopefully that will change once the vets bring him down to earth and remind him he’s still a rook
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Again, you have been silent when he was lighting it up in OTAs
silent when he was the first first rounder to sign (yeah, yeah he is just the pawn of his agent), silent when he said he understood the importance and honor of wearing #88, silent when Irvin and Pearson both praised the guy, silent when he did absolutely everything right from the moment he was drafted, silent on draft night when he dropped to his knees and threw his arms to the heavens in gratitude for being drafted by Dallas, his favorite team, but the moment there was a whiff of controversy (said controversy clearly manufactured by the guy whose job Dez is about to take BTW as he is the one who went crying to the press about it) you were on here saying “I told you so!”
For a guy who posts here early and often (correct me if I am wrong, but I think you had twice as many posts here as second place finisher last year) your failure to show any enthusiasm whatsoever for a guy who if he is half as talented as everyone thinks he is is going to put your BFF Romo in even more rarefied air than he is now is noticeable.
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I never said I told you so
I said I was concerned about his maturity and attitude since day one and by him dissing a vet in camp only fuels that concern.
Just because I’m not singing the praises of his talent and ability on this blog doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate them.
I think Austin is just as talented but I’m not singing his praises everyday either. I expect both to be great on the field, it’s that I respect Austin’s attitude and maturity much more.
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Oh for the love of god, you are right. You never used the words "I told you so"
but that is exactly what you were doing
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OK smart guy, what were you doing if not that?
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and you do sing Austin's praises
I never once said anything about singing praises “every day” (if we are going to be literal). I pointed out that you never made a single positive comment about Dez when he was doing everything right, being humble, catching everything thrown within fifty yards of him, but when he does something that does not pass muster (and again, Roy is the one who ran to the press and bitched about that so if there is anyone to blame for this being an issue outside of the team, it is no pass catching, facemask bouncing, lousy route running, worst trade in Dallas Cowboys history Roy who is to blame) you were here immediately, saying, and I am paraphrasing, “I told you he was a bad seed!”
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that has never stopped you from commenting
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OTAs aren't games? No $h!t Sherlock
Training camps are not games either. Do you know what else is not a NFL Game? Carrying some underachieving jackass’ shoulder pads, yet you are willing to condemn Dez for his failure to do that
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You called him DUMB
You said that he was a moron.
Are you really serious?
You are something else man. I’ll take seeing Tex post over you any day of the week.
Once again at least he knows he’s a joke.
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I'm sure you're right
There were a lot of draft day war rooms where the coaches and GM’s sat around and said “this Bryant guy is going to be trouble, he’s going to refuse to participate in training camp hazing”.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 26, 2010 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
There is a difference between hazing and passive suggestion of inferiority.
He didn’t tell Dez to shave or dye his hair. He didn’t pour water on him from the 2nd floor nor tie him up to a goalpost.
He didn’t say no to tradition…he is making a statement to RW specifically about mind games. If there are any going on.
“I am here to compete with you. Don’t ever forget that. This will be my mantra off the field and on it.”
Dez is here to make an impact on this team. He comes early and stays late. He doesn’t mince words when it comes to what he feels he is here to do.
I like that in a player.
He has been a company man since he has been here.
Everything else is being inferred with very little evidence and a lot of hyperbole by the talking heads.
+10
Everything he has done since being drafted he’s done the right thing. That’s all I care about, what he’s done with the Cowboys
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 26, 2010 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
That is true
But the fact remains is that Dez refused to do a simple chore for a wide receiver that will be above him on the depth chart when the season opens and the only way Dez Bryant will get on the field is to field kickoffs, punts, and when Tony needs a third Wide Receiver option. To me, hazing is a way of life and Dez should look at it this way, in future years he can tell a rookie to carry his stuff.
This isn't purely about hazing
This is a situation where a rookie standout is drafted to compete/motivate an incumbent player. If anyone has a sore a$$ it is probably RW.
He is doing a lot of deflecting. The world at large is pointing out a glaring dichotomy between his lackluster performances and an heir apparent that potentially has a maturation date that is waay sooner than he’d like.
I’m willing to bet he is acting out in subtle ways that won’t rattle too many cages.
RW feels the pressure. You don’t think this tension comes out amungst the competition? There is more going on than carrying someone’s shoulder pads.
There are a lot crazier/fun ways to haze someone. Believe me I know.
3rd wr is considered a starter in todays league
Also I wouldnt put it pass Dez to be number 2 by week 1
Really?! Really?!
dez has shown what?
pretty sure we are on a last year basis, maybe 2
last time i checked Dez had some little “issue” where he didnt get to play da foozball
lets just keep ripping RW cuz everyone else is
RW has been around this league long enough and has contributed … maybe not to the amazing level he has the talent for, but enough.
Rookie hazing maybe immature, but its also fun and games. its not like they were beating him with paddles and tied up in a locker all day. I am NOT saying he is a diva, but the cowboys really dont need this type of news and dez is the one straying off the path here.
and it is Roy's fault this is an issue! Roy went to the media, not Dez.
If you want to avoid this type of worthless, TMZ Sports(ESPN) trash, you tell Roy to STFU about pointless things, like 2011 F250s and Navs.
by JLMax09 on Jul 26, 2010 5:03 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
well stated!....jlmax09........
what ive beensayin about this whole brew-ha-ha…..silly aint it? how media just jumped all over it..lol roy still lookin out at the world from the cusp of my toliet …….excuse me roy, but i feel the need to christen thee…..moments later…flush!
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
Roy Williams
Is right to go to the media. He just made Dez Bryant a marked man for not carring his pads. Dez will get hazed and it will be Wade Phillips approved hazing.
jessy i guarrantee you have no idea thetruth that needs to come your way. id say , you are one who would go cryin to the press cause i said no thanks to your lack of offering your less than intellegent view!
heres my jockstrap ..youngun!
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Don't blame me for what I wrote
Roy Williams is the one that went crying to the media. Dez Bryant will likely find himself getting the salt only to see it spill all over his food or tons of laundry right next to his locker.
As for Wade Phillips, his idea of hazing would be for Dez and the other rookies to run another 50 to 100 laps in the afternoon sun while the other players are done with practice.
I really don't care...
but I also can say I don’t think you have any idea of what you’re saying.
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Yes I do
Wade feels that a rookie isn’t putting in enough effort, (not likely to be Dez Bryant BTW) and he makes the rookies run
That is not even close to hazing!
Making players run is something you do as a punishment to poor effort. (Like lineman continuing to false start..)
amen to that i wouldnt have either or...
id have nabded roy mine and said..here this is for our unity as team mates..lol
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I think Colin Cowherd nailed it today.
One, he pointed out that Ryan Leaf was another one that made waves by balking at rookie hazing. Two, he said that hazing was something that usually appealed to the lowest common denominator. But three, guys that fight it, when it’s nothing that is harmful or degrading, usually don’t last long, because they aren’t able to handle tough situations.
I guess we’ll see how this plays out, but I think this is a bad sign. And for a guy that was doing everything right to answer the character concerns question, this is a huge step backwards.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 26, 2010 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I certainly agree with this part
hazing was something that usually appealed to the lowest common denominator
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 26, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
all of you are making this personal
just because don’t like roy, all rookies on all teams have to do this kind of stuff, bein childish or no, so why he wouldn’t?
I think so too.
It’s fan backlash against Roy more than actually thinking that Dez did the right thing, in my opinion.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 26, 2010 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it is naive if you don't think this was personal for RW
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 26, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe.
But Roy is doing what many, many veterans have done, while Dez is taking a stance that very few rookies have taken.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 26, 2010 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I think.....
that this is really not that big of a deal. I honestly think that he should have just carried the shoulder pads, but I’m not going to judge it one way or another though.
I want to know how Roy said it honestly. There are two sides to every story, and if he was just like “here you go man carry these with the rest of the rookies” fine.
But from some of the ridiculousness that has come out of his mouth, it wouldn’t suprise me if it wasn’t something a little more condescending. I mean this is the same guy that for the entire offseason has been talking about what a “bad man” he is.
I’m not saying it’s right, but I find it odd that the same guy that was taking time to play pass and catch with the fans and has seemingly went out of his way to avoid these types of things had a problem carrying the shoulder pads of him. Hell earlier in the day, he said Roy was helping him out.
One way or another this could be the ultimate non-story.
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check out lonewolfz28 post
on rafs lat post,tim cowlishaw recorded what roy said,its personal guys.
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how bout them cowboys!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Jul 26, 2010 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
i think don't
if you go back into this the players do this in sort way like to embracing the rookies, and if you look roy’s history you’ll see a guy who made good things which could seem bad, he’s clueless but not bad intentioned, things just got out of control
Here's a link to Cowlishaw's article - you be the judge about Roy's intentions
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 27, 2010 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions
already saw it
irrelevant if you ask me, he’s earning his money by writing whatever through a simple statement-you got it?- we don’t know what was the tone, that phrase says nothing in papers, you need to see the context, and from i have seen from roy perhaps was a wanna be joke wich was taken out of place due to his lack of charism, he’s one of those guys who’s just trying to be funny but isn’t ‘cause well he’s shy and clueless and has no idea of when and how make jokes
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It specifically sends a message to RW that Im hear to replace you and not carry your dam bags….I understand the tradition, but there is nothing wrong in standing up for yourself, especially RW that im not participating in this hazing. I LOVE it!!! You know darn well RW was trying to take advantage of the situation…
I think it sends more of a message that Dez thinks he’s already a star and therefore shouldn’t have to tolerate this type of thing.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 26, 2010 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions
He may be a star
But Dez wigged out of college last season. In any case, whatever any player has done in college doesn’t translate to the pros until that player proves himself. By the time year five arrives, a player has seperated himself into one of three divisions.
1. Is a star that makes it into Chris Berman’s highlight reel every Sunday except when your team isn’t playing.
2. Is a team player.
3. Is a total 100% bust.
so where do you put Roy W?
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He "wigged" out of college.
Tell me expert… what your description of wigging out is?
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It will be a long time before we can classify Dez Bryant
But he never performed last season.
As for Roy Williams, I would call him a borderline bust because he didn’t do much with Detroit, and he certainly isn’t doing much here because Jason Witten and Tony Romo are pass buddies. However something drastic has to happen for the Cowboys to cut RW before the regular season.
Oh for the love of god, now ROy has not performed well in Dallas because Witten and the QB are buds? Maybe he has not performed well in Dallas because he sucks
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And yet....
Miles Austin, Terry Glenn, and Terell Owens have all performed with Romo…
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
Who says that Roy is going to be cut?
I don’t think he’s going to be cut.. but I don’t think he has a firm grasp as the #1 WR.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
The reason Jason Witten and Tony Romo are Pass Buddies
Is because they trust each other. You can say the same about Patrick Crayton and Miles Austin, but not about Tony Romo and Roy Williams. TR and RW performed in practice last season and during games. As for RW being cut, there is going to have to be a massive change for him to get cut, but that change will likely be that Wade Phillips feels that having RW on the team would mean that the Cowboys wouldn’t have the best 53 players possible and it would be best if Roy Williams gets cut so a more promising player gets his roster slot.
What are you arguing?
I said he’s not getting cut.
And I think you use the word “perfomed” loosely if you want to say RW performed.
I want to know what your smoking, and where to get some of it.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
#1? The guy is going to have trouble hanging on to the 2 spot
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Agreed
Roy Williams and Dez Bryant better get used to seeing each other on kickoffs and punts because that is going to be their main role this season.
So is Crayton going to be the number 2 wideout in your world?
Because I would bet a significant significant amount of money against that happening.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Jul 27, 2010 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll bet Dunks paycheck against it.
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Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
ok..lets get it straight....
no 1 roy goin to the pres on it instead of keeping it in house showed more disrespect to team and the so called controversy and unity than anything dez has said or done since hes been here,,,roy is still a child who cant accept that this kid has said and DONE !…all the right things, and..well roy catch ..shutt up till you play as a vet ! period!!!!
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
Very well put
Although I’m sorta mad I was the guy who got his English grades questioned
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 26, 2010 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha,
Yeah, that’s a crazy thing to question on this or any other blog, lol. You’d be asking questions all day and night.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 26, 2010 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions
It might be below
I actually did get called out (in a sarcastic kind of way). It made me laugh
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 26, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah dez is so immature
i mean refusing to take part in a childish ‘tradition,’ how dare he? These people are professional adults. the league needs to grow up
by Pete Mccullagh on Jul 27, 2010 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions
As the Cowboys turn.
If it weren’t the Cowboys and Dez this silly sh-t wouldn’t get any air time. It comes with the territory.
the whole thing
needs to be quashed by Romo, Witten and Ware. Those three need to make clear to Dez that no matter how great his talent, he is not bigger than the team. This is a very minor issue now. However, if it is ignored in the locker room it may lead to Dez getting a big head. Ware did it, Romo did it, Irvin did it. Dez should do it. If he doesn’t like hazing, when he is a second year he can try to start a movement on the team to end it, and he can certainly refuse to participate then. But for now, its a team.
by RisingSunCowboy on Jul 26, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the policy
it may not satisfy the leather helmet crowd, but you can’t tackle at all from IR…
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Would I trade the Cowboys' excellent health the last 3 years for 8 fewer broken tackles?
No.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jul 26, 2010 7:10 AM CDT reply actions
That's a very clear way to think about it
I couldn’t say it any better
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 26, 2010 10:05 AM CDT up reply actions
First time Blogger
I’m fine with limited contact early in camp especiallty with 5 preseason games to play, there will be plenty of time for that, but I do like to see bonecrushing hits though but not on our guys
yea I saw you posted on the previous post
but welcome again, and continue to share.
by Musiccitynorm on Jul 26, 2010 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions
tackling......
I know there is an emphasis on staying healty, but I think the basic fundamentals of tackling is still most important, but that is not what hurt us last year, stupid penalties at key times of the game and spotty o-line play, that to me will dictate how far we go this year.
Last year I was arguing for at least a few tackling drills.
But OCC lays out an excellent case for leaving well enough alone. I’m not sure how much time is spent on fundamental tackling technique, but in this case, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. :)
Dunk, nice “leather helmet crowd” comment … very funny.
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reporting that roy is willing to take it to step#2, whatever that means? any clues?
I don't think he meant himself, actually.
I think his point was that by having an attitude about it, Dez is inviting increased effort from other veterans. Like, now that he was snotty about it, other guys are going to give him a harder time when before they would not have.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 26, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Marvin lewis told Dez
to just carry the pads
by Musiccitynorm on Jul 26, 2010 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions
If BP was still the coach Dez would be getting him water each and every day
I do not know if he is right or wrong for refusing, but for all of you saying “way to go Dez” please answer me this. Would you change your mind had it been Romo, Witten, Brookings, or Dware who ask him?
"Talent is God-given; be humble. Fame is man-given; be grateful. Conceit is self-given; be careful." John Wooden
Yes
I would still think the whole thing is stupid but I would feel differently if it was someone who had actually earned the right. RW has not.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 26, 2010 10:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Here's what I would do if I were Dez
I would make sure one of the leaders of the team told me to carry his pads. As many as possible. I would do it willingly. Then I’d go get them a drink.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 26, 2010 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions
That would be the Smart Move
The vets will handle this. It was a small error Dez will get a chance to correct. He is young, and learning.
The conversation on this digressed poorley and is in no way newsworthy.
Dropping this thread, and getting back to the progress of this team is a lot more interesting & important. Everyone has an opinion and some of them stink. Let it pass.
Prospects are fighting for Roster spots and the competition is strong.. We have another great post to discuss.
No tackles…Fine with me. Better chance of breaking a tackle if you have good ankles under you. Long season ahead and health is critical.
Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes the rules.
amen to your view ..insight worth noting ..ty )
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
Much ado about nothing
NFL Network weighed in on it. Then during an interview with Keith Bullock, the interviewer says something like “You were a rookie once…what do you think of the whole Dez Bryant situation?”
And I’m just like, “Are you f**king kidding me?!” It’s bad enough this ridiculous story is getting any press (only on the Cowboys), but now these so called commentators are getting other opinions to make a mountain out of a molehill. Give me a break!
Yes, the fact that Roy is trying to put the rookie in his place when he can't do jack ont he field, makes al the differnce
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Dez is a grown man
he can do what he wants on this front as far as I’m concerned. I would be hesitant to carry the pads of the guy I’m trying to unseat as well. Knowing Roy he’s probably really passive aggressive about the whole thing and I don’t think going to the media on this is the thing to do at all. This stuff should be handled in house.
I think you nailed it
Knowing Roy he’s probably really passive aggressive about the whole thing and I don’t think going to the media on this is the thing to do at all.
I think there should be a tradition that anyone who is as big an underachiever as RW should not be able to participate in any hazing traditions. If he agrees to that, I’ll change my opinion about Dez and say he should just do it.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 26, 2010 10:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I think you absolutely carry his pads ... and strip him of his #2 slot.
It’s sort of like bestowing a warm, welcoming smile to the defender across the trench from you before delivering a devastating pancake block.
right on lol hell yess nailed it ...gets bk up...nailed it again hahahah wtgo ) love it
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
Anything that the tackling sled would help, live tackling would help more.
Even just practicing wrapping up like they did under Parcells would benefit the team. As noted, Bradie James, Alan Ball, Mike Jenkins, Terence Newman, and Orlando Scandrick all had a high number of missed tackles, particularly per attempt for the DBs. That’s a lot of guys.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 26, 2010 9:02 AM CDT reply actions
Anything a tackling sled would help.....
I agree missed tackles play a big part of the game, but it is easier to remember all the undisciplined plays we had last year, esp the offsides on both sides of the ball, cannot be top 5 in penalties, ala bill parcells the hidden yardage is key
by carolinacowboy on Jul 26, 2010 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions
Reread the post
Sure the DB’s had a lot of missed tackles, but they also caused dropped balls and interceptions. If you are a DB or Safety, your job is to disrupt the pass.
One has nothing to do with the other.
It is actually possible to be a good tackler and good at defending the pass. When these guys are at Deion level, I’ll give them a pass for missing tackles, but until then, they need to do better.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 26, 2010 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Broken Tackles
Can be many things. For example, tackles can be broken because the defensive player lets those tackles be broken. In one case, a receiver could be in position to catch the ball, but drop it before the DB has a chance to complete the tackle, or the DB makes a play for the running back, only to let him break the tackle and go out of bounds. The broken tackle is a useful stat, but it is hard to pinpoint exactly how and why the tackle wasn’t completed.
Ugh!
Is there anything that can be done to stop the Deadskins from having an ad on this page??
tackling is an issue.
but to me our penalties in the redzone were bigger issues,how many drives were stopped by penalties?.
OCC if you have the numbers id be grateful to see them.
good post OCC.
Davie Wilson
how bout them cowboys!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Jul 26, 2010 10:22 AM CDT reply actions
scotscowboyfan
agreed…..Just look at one instance, the philly playoff game, first drive down the field the a Jason Witten penalty denies a big gain by ogletree, then a sack an incomplete pass then a punt, that overall hurt us last year.
by carolinacowboy on Jul 26, 2010 10:27 AM CDT up reply actions
What was up with Witten last year
he has a couple penalties
by Musiccitynorm on Jul 26, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions
from what ive seen..
the redzone penalties seem to get the guys heads down,i dont see that with indy or the saints or patriots.these teams still seem to punch the ball in to the end zone..
Davie Wilson
how bout them cowboys!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Jul 26, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions
looked it up
cowboys were just under 51 % redzone efficiency. we average 2 penalties on 1st down the last 3 years .
Davie Wilson
how bout them cowboys!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Jul 26, 2010 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions
i think thats wrong.sorry .
Davie Wilson
how bout them cowboys!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Jul 26, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
The DMN weighs in on both sides of the argument
Tim Cowlishaw: Bryant-Williams pads issue good sign for Cowboys
Todd Archer: Cowboys’ Dez Bryant is wrong on refusal to carry pads
by One.Cool.Customer on Jul 26, 2010 10:26 AM CDT reply actions
I agree with Cowlishaw
“If this is controversy, the Cowboys are in pretty good shape. "
by Musiccitynorm on Jul 26, 2010 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions
I waiting for the article with the headline:
Roy Williams was wrong for being the 1st veteran to ask Dez to carry his pads.
And by the way, I want to formally apologize for brining up the off topic thing on this otherwise excellent thread
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 26, 2010 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions
if it's a tradition why wasn't Romo doing it
or Miles Austin
by AustonianAggie on Jul 26, 2010 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions
only Williams is talking about it
I don’t hear any one saying “Dez Bryant Refused to Carry Romo’s Pads”
by AustonianAggie on Jul 26, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
I know the other rookies were carrying pads
Lee was mentioned
by Musiccitynorm on Jul 26, 2010 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions
I think he means asking Dez to do it
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the RW ripping is getting old
you guys keep ripping RW like he doesnt deserve to be playing in the NFL.
give it a rest
he is doing what most players are doing (hazing). there is only 1 person who did better and that has the “right” to ask dez to carry pads … and that would be miles austin. cuz no other WR did better.
srzly dont just rip RW cuz everyone else is doing it
Sorry you don't like RW getting ripped
I don’t begrudge RW anything he has. His agent negotiated an over priced contract and Jerry was a sucker for the trade he made. Good for Roy on those 2 things.
What does annoy me is that he seems to have no clue that he is a bust, he acts like he is a premier receiver. His stats say “average” in every way. If you’re being paid like the best receiver in the NFL and you’re performing like a somewhat adequate #3, just take your money, shut up, and carry your own pads.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 26, 2010 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Hold on a second
Don’t you know that Roy had a season in Detroit where he gained over a million yards, scored approximately 300,000 touchdowns, and that it is guaranteed that he will duplicate that season in Dallas this year?
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well the problem is
He gained 999,999 yards and all but one TD in week one it was a fun game but he disapeared for the rest of season and I. For one prefer a little for consistancy from him
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by levcd on Jul 26, 2010 3:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
amen grreat point roy sit up..class has started...
and by the way roy….we dont allow pacifiers in class..and pull up ya dideee aye
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
arrow up...roy lover........
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
fujr that is
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
Keep Waiting Brother
Actual quote from Jason Witten
“We’ll take care of that in house, that’s for sure,” Witten said after the afternoon practice in the Alamodome. “It’ll be taken care of. We addressed it this morning, and that’s all I’ve got to say about it. It’s been taken care of, rest assured.”
I think he’s serious.
At least it was taken care of by Witten
God help Dez if Brooking decides to “take care of the situation” hahaha
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jul 27, 2010 6:46 AM CDT up reply actions
of course he's serious
somebody needs to straighten out his piss poor attitude and I’m glad it will be Witten.
In Romo we Trust
I have no problem with his actions....because it was to RW makes even sweeter and less of a problem to most fans I would imagine
And the fact that it’s Roy’s pads — not Miles Austin’s pads, not Jason Witten’s pads — makes a difference to me. Roy seemed to enjoy thoughts of punishing the rookie for his insubordination…since it’s unlikely Roy can punish him in pratice or during the regular season.
Bum Phillips had a Line
which he dropped on the Houston press, who gave him the same “camp cupcake” guff when he ran the Oilers:
“Houston is not on our schedule.”
Wade is following Bum’s edict. The Cowboys are not on the Cowboys schedule.
The critics fail to make a key distinction — these guys are hitting. They’re not tackling. They’re not wrapping up and dragging guys to the turf. That avoids, for the most part, the plays where a player falls across the back of somebody else’s leg, and so on.
I’ve already seen a couple of zealous plays where guys collided and just missed injury. Keith Brooking and Bradie James both went at a pass for Jason Witten from opposite directions and collided — hard — with each other on day one.
Bradie got up a little slowly. Imagine if they were going full bore and Brooking put him out for two months?
I’ve got no problems with Wade’s strategy.
I'm glad you cleared that up
“The critics fail to make a key distinction — these guys are hitting. They’re not tackling”
Makes me think of the scene in Rudy where Rudy gets destroyed by the lineman then the lineman let up and Rudy yelled at him.
by Musiccitynorm on Jul 26, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
And doesn't Scandrick lay soneone out every year?
With his hurt finger, maybe he’ll more careful this time, or it might be himself
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by Realist Larry on Jul 26, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
i think the critics forget that bum did this consistantly fielded some nasty teams
I actively recognize my own stupidity, thank you!!!
by levcd on Jul 26, 2010 12:51 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
agreed, especially with 5 preseason games to play, I much rather get our new game plan for the year installed and concentrate on discipline and fundamentals and hopefully the time spent on red zone efficiency will pay off.
by carolinacowboy on Jul 26, 2010 10:42 AM CDT reply actions
hey raf
another great article, love coming here to this site, great info that I can depend on, unlike all the negative stuff that is reported thru the media
by carolinacowboy on Jul 26, 2010 10:46 AM CDT reply actions
Fundamentals of TEAM . . . Blocking, Tackling, Hazing
Assuming a player has all the fundamentals down pat just because he plays on a professional team . . . well, we all know what the word “assume” splits into. I’m not saying that every practice should start with the “Oklahoma Drill”, but it’s obvious that coaches feel that players are creatures of habit with practice regimen, team meetings, approach to game day, etc. Bad habits formulate quickly and fundamentals of blocking, tackling and not jumping the snap count need to be emphasized on a regular basis — the old expression “you play like you practice” did not originate or hang around this long if it was a foolish statement.
As to hazing, it appears the authors of blogs denoting “childish behavior” either never participated in a team sport or have not studied the history of the practice. Hazing started as a practice of teamwork humility, asserting to new players that NO ONE INDIVIDUAL is above the TEAM, a fact that will be made clear to Dez as training camp continues.
From the hometown of Bob Lilly,
I have been on plenty of teams
And one thing that has always been clear is that everyone is NOT the same. It’s quaint and makes a great cliche, but it’s never the case. Go ask Bill Parcells or Jimmy Johnson (or any other coach for that matter). I do think there’s an art for a coach to manage the whole situation but it’s not realistic to think everyone plays under the same rules.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 26, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
You may have been on plenty of teams . . .
. . . but what was your grade in English? Go back and re-read the post — my statement was not “everyone is the same” — my statement was “no one individual is above the team”. And since I know for a fact that Bill Parcells went to Tom Landry for advice and counsel, I know he would probably feel the same (as would Jimmy, whether he was on his 2nd or 17th Heineken), as that was Tom Landry’s statement.
From the hometown of Bob Lilly,
My English grades were fine thank you
You obviously missed my point. While I don’t have the advantage you have of apparently wittnessing Bill Parcells speaking with Tom Landry, I have heard and read enough of both Parcells and Jimmy Johnson’s quotes to know they never hid from the fact their stars were held to a different standard than the guys at the end of the roster. Whether you want to phrase it as “NO ONE INDIVIDUAL is above the TEAM” or as I did is only a matter of semantics. Players are treated differently depending on their importance to the team.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 26, 2010 4:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Then I guess you bribed your English teacher
Because being held to a different or higher standard does not mean that one individual player was above the team as a whole — and if you listened to any of Parcell’s press conferences when he referenced Landry’s influence and counsel or were at Giant games when he would talk to Landry before and after the games, then you would know it was a fact, not “apparently” and a very important part of Parcell’s coaching philosophy. And wasn’t it Parcells who required the 1st round draft choices to bring him water at breaks? But I guess that’s different, since “semantically speaking” a glass of water isn’t as heavy as shoulder pads.
From the hometown of Bob Lilly,
I agree with you
I’ve been a Parcells supporter and also believe he’s pretty much a slug of a human being. When he got to Dallas the team was horrible and when he left 4 years later the team was one of the most talented in the NFL. He couldn’t seem to get them to play that way though. I thought he was funny in press conferences but don’t think I’d like him personally at all. He’s gotten results everywhere he’s gone.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 27, 2010 8:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with this completely
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Bradie James is the only player I would worry about
Just based on the data, Jenkin’s and Newman’s number of missed tackles would bother me. They’re trying to tackle guys in the open field that are usually pretty fast. The number of misses for James warrants looking closer.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 26, 2010 11:11 AM CDT reply actions
Typo
Jenkin’s and Newman’s number of missed tackles would NOT bother me
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 26, 2010 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions
i postulate that Jenkins has been watching TNew too much....
would explain why neither can tackle very well
tackling
Although T-New did get a little physical there toward the end of the year, he had a few good hits around the sideline, I don’t have too much of a problem with his tackling as I do with his skills with the ball in the air.
by carolinacowboy on Jul 26, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions
as far as the tackling goes
we have an extra preseason game this year so the p[layers will get that little bit of extra time to tackle as well, they dont have to wait as long as normal.
the DEZ situation i think all he really cares about is learning the offense and trying to mesh with ROMO. he has his priorities deffinetely in check, but should he carry ROYs pads. imo he prolly should
a FO stat that doesn't have the Eagles in the top ten
OCC I llike your stuff but think must have read the stats wrong
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by levcd on Jul 26, 2010 12:55 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Kieth Brooking
Off topic, but I feel it’s important. I attendted yesterday’s afternoon practice, and I noticed that when practice finished and the players were ordered to run sprints, Kieth Brooking was the first one to finish, Ware was second. I know they weren’t running at full speed, but I think it shows desire and leadership. That’s why Brooking is an asset to this team.
by beautifultyrant on Jul 26, 2010 1:01 PM CDT reply actions
Keith Brooking..............
I just love watching him before each game getting the team pumped up, it just gets me even more ready for the game if that ispossible!
by carolinacowboy on Jul 26, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Love that guy
he’s a real asset and I hope he lasts 3 more years at least.
tackling
maybe BradieJames isn’t bad at tackling but he is usually near the top of the team when it come’s to total tackles so it is possible is missed tackles would be high as for Jenkins not sure why his numbers would be that high
and by the way.... regarding Dez and Roy
The only way I would carry that bum’s pads is outside the trainning complex if a coach would ask me to take Roy where he belongs……screw attitude, Roy sucks!
I know just the place
To the airport so that Roy Williams gets his one way ticket to Viking Country.
Nate said the 2nd OL unit looked really bad yesterday.
Bright , Brewster and McQuiston looked bad, but Barron did well. He also said Free looked good blocking Ware.
Buehler is nailing 'em: 4 for 4
Per Tim MacMahon (ESPNDallas):
Good from 30, right hash.
Good from 30, left hash.
Good from 36, in the middle of the field.
Good from 38.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jul 26, 2010 2:53 PM CDT reply actions
Terrell Hudgins rocked practice today
Terrell who?
Hudgins is the guy who broke some of Jerry Rice’s most impressive receiving records in college and holds most of Division I’s significant career receiving records. From scout.com:
His 395 receptions are the most in Division I, either the second-tier FCS or the elite FBS. His 5,250 receiving yards obliterated Rice’s Division I record by more than 550 yards. His 28 games of 100-plus receiving yards beat Rice’s Division I record by four. His 123 catches as a senior set a FCS record, and his career averages of 8.8 receptions, 116.7 yards and 1.2 touchdowns also are FCS records.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jul 26, 2010 4:10 PM CDT reply actions
Terrell Hudgins
Ishe one of our undrafted free agent rookies?
by carolinacowboy on Jul 26, 2010 4:19 PM CDT up reply actions
in response
did u really think Mr. Hudgins has a legitimate shot at making our roster as the #6 reciever
by carolinacowboy on Jul 26, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions
He runs slow times (4.7+)
Plus, he was at a small college (Elon) and was a bit heavy (6’2" 235).
But, that’s still some nice production.
Rabid and luvin' it
More on Hudgins
Yes he’s an UDFA.
To make the team, Hudgins would have to 1. beat out other UDFA WRs, 2. beat out last year’s PS players, 3. hope that the Cowboys keep 6 WR and 4. hope that Hurd or Crayton or perhaps even Williams are cut. Very long odds, but not impossible.
He went undrafted largely because he’s from a lower division college (Elon?) and because his measurables were not perceived to be outstanding. He’s 6-foot-2, 225-pounds, and had a 40-yard dash of 4.52 seconds.
Then again, guess which other player is 6-foot-2, 225-pounds, and ran the 40-yard dash in 4.52 seconds? Dez Bryant, that’s who.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jul 26, 2010 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Always funny how the numbers tend to change...
from scouting report to scouting report.LOL
http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/WR/Terrell-Hudgins.php
Rabid and luvin' it
True, true. The weight is 225 though.
The DC.com roster lists him as 225, and they’re always pretty meticulous about those things. The 4.52 is from scout.com.
More from KFFL.com:
Josh Buchanan, of JBScouting.com, reports Elon WR Terrell Hudgins measured in at his Pro Day with a height of 6-foot-2 1/8, 229 pounds. He ran the 40-yard dash in 4.52 and 4.58 seconds, the short shuttle in 4.49 seconds and the three-cone drill in 7.48 seconds. He measured a 33-inch vertical jump, a 9-foot-6 broad jump and completed 11 repetitions on the 225-pound bench press.
by One.Cool.Customer on Jul 26, 2010 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions
occ
how does manny johnson look so far, has he made any improvements from being on the practice squad last year?
My guess would be..
tall….fast…black… :)
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
My apologies sir....
5 foot 11… fast… black… looks like he probably played for OU. :)
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
Most noticeable about Manny is he switched his jersey number...I guess, I heard today
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by Aaron Novinger on Jul 27, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
What's the new number?
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Jul 27, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
a tribute to raf and others who write here.....
i am in no way a professional journalist..but.. i do know a good one ) and group) when i see it more over when i read it…professionalism as its best here can never be overstated….that being said.. i truly believe that all things cowboy, in truth and facts can be so readily viewed as well as understood even by us who daily look to greater understanding and can have all we can get here at btb i would gladly carry your pen and notebook and recorder around camp till end, that said lol ( how else would i make it to tc this year ) hehehehe. thank you guys for all the time and effort you all put into increasing my understanding as well as others who embrace great journalism today……
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
Man...
I like you… but if you could split your sentences up, that would be awesome
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my opology good sir and well put heheheh
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
i agree with Demonbane
This site is easily my favorite site due to the Exhaustive work put in by the Journalists here. This is usually the First site i come to each day After reading up @ DallasCowboys.com
by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Jul 27, 2010 2:37 AM CDT reply actions
I agree as well
But sometimes I even come to this site first, it gives us more detailed info of what is going on with our cowboys, all involved due an outstanding job.
by carolinacowboy on Jul 27, 2010 8:20 AM CDT up reply actions
It's really not surprising that the Saints are at the bottom in missed tackles.
Forcing turnovers covers up a lot of warts. How much of a correlation was there between bad tackling and lack of turnovers for teams that fielded truly awful defensive units?
espn first take
anyone watching, bayless talking about nfl power rankings, cowboys #4 and all other nfc east 16 thru 20, he also thinks that the deadskins will be better than both the iggles and the gnats and that our boys have a chance to sweep our div this year, any comments?
by carolinacowboy on Jul 27, 2010 10:15 AM CDT reply actions
sorry I meant to post this in a current article not yesterdays
by carolinacowboy on Jul 27, 2010 10:25 AM CDT reply actions
It's cool bro.
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