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Cowboys Camp Report 4: Start of a Shakeout

The full pads returned Monday afternoon and the contact increased, giving observers their first extended view of the Cowboys first offense versus the first defense.  The increased hitting also started the process of shaking out the competition in certain key areas.  

As is the Cowboys custom, they started with special teams.  Joe D's guys worked for a third straight session on punt coverage.  It's impossible to get strong reads on special teams units before a single pre-season game is played, but if you want an early view of rankings (and hence of chances to make a final roster) consider the nine players who drilled with snapper L.P. Ladouceur and punter Mat McBriar today:

Star-divide

16 - Jesse Holley; 17- Sam Hurd; 23- Tashard Choice; 34 -- Deon Anderson; 36- Michael Hamlin; 53-Steve Octavien; 57-Victor Butler; 58- Jason Williams; 89- John Phillips.

The backup linebackers, safeties, fullback, tight end and receivers.  The traditional core of coverage groups come from this bunch.  With so many of the perennial Cowboys core special teammers gone, the new core should come from this bunch.

Before DeCamillis worked with the full unit, John Garrett took the receivers and other gunner candidates to the far end where they practiced covering fair catches inside the ten yard line, putting one man in front of the returner and another behind him, in the event the rival let the ball hit the ground in the hopes of a touchback.  He then had an assistant lob volleyballs towards the goal-line, so his guys could practice knocking the ball back into the field of play.

When the units broke up, the offense worked on three receiver packages, and today the stock three WR set had Dez Bryant wide and Miles Austin in the slot.  This has become the primary personnel package and suggests that this will be the grouping when the games count. 

While the offense worked on its nickel sets, the defensive back seven worked extensively on coverage in the nickel set.  The 2nd team D put on the colored balaclavas and the inside linebackers and five d-backs practiced against a variety of sets from the 11 and 12 sets, with three WRs and two TEs with one of the TEs split wide.  Interestingly, the first team nickel LB duo consisted of starters Bradie James and Keith Brooking.  

When the 2nd team nickel drilled, Sean Lee and Jason Williams replaced Brooking and James, respectively.  Reggie Herring gave Williams an earful for missing a couple of switches.  Things would get better for Williams later in the session.

The team then began another 9-on-9 drill, which had the offenses squaring off against the defenses, sans receivers or corners.  The plays were exclusively runs, giving the coaches a chance to see how the line matched up when the defense knew what was coming.  

Early results show the left side of the O-line is currently the power side.  Doug Free shows a regular ability to turn and push Igor Olshanky, no easy feat.  He flipped Olshansky wide on a stretch play in this drill, creating a huge cut back lane inside for the back.  Later, he hooked Igor inside on a toss play that produced acres of space for Felix Jones.   Kyle Kosier looks good next to him.  

When the second unit played, there was more of push to the right, behind Robert Brewster and pulling LT Alex Barron, who ran a neat counter to the right. 

The third unit looks lost.  It got extensive reps against the 2nd and 3rd defensive fronts, but could not generate a consistent push.   Most of the runs went to the right, behind Pat McQuistan and Sam Young, and most of them were turned back.  Phil Costa looks overmatched at center and Will Barker is running hot and cold at left tackle.  Only LG Mike Tepper produced consistently in the entire sequence.  He and Barker did a solid job sealing off the backside on several plays.  Tepper also pulled right and kicked out OLB Curtis Johnson on a counter.  Tepper was the only player on the 3rd unit to get a decent push on every down.  That said, he still has a lot of work to do.  He lunged into his blocks in the practice-ending 11-on-11 drill, and wound up on his knees.  Tepper needs to maintain his balance to get out in space and sustain his blocks on linebackers.  He still looks like a long-shot, but looked a bit better than his rookie peers today.

Later, the team repeated the split-screen drills from yesterday, with the D-backs and skill position guys going one-one-one while the linemen went one-on-one in a pass rushing drill on the opposite end of the field.  I focused exclusively on the rush drill and think an o-line totem is emerging:

Definites:

The starting five of Free, Kosier, Gurode, Davis and Colombo.  Gurode gave me a chicken-egg moment when Junior Siavii beat him with a swim move, just as Josh Brent did yesteday.  Is Siavii better with his hands and rush moves, or is Gurode vulnerable to this type of interior rush.  The correct answer, if camp history provides any guide, is likely "both."

Pretty solid:  

Barron and Bright.  Barron can move with Demarcus Ware.  I'd like to see him get more reps, but Barron worked at both LT and RT today and his play inspired a lot more confidence than the other OTs.  Bright is well ahead of Costa and got a few turns at RG today.

Pretty safe:

Holland.  He's nothing special, but he's the one backup guard with experience.  

Needs more work:  Brewster:  He looks like a rookie, good on some plays and shaky on others.  He'll anchor well on one rush, then give too much ground on the next.  His lost rookie training camp has him behind.  The numbers are in his favor and for all I know a couple more weeks of reps against the Spencers, Spears and Hatchers will improve his game.  Having Barron on board is huge, because I don't think Brewster could handle extensive real-game playing time right now.

Everybody else is a long shot.  One of the kids could step forward, but they'll all look at sea at the moment. 

The practice ended with an 11-on-11, which offered the 1st teams against one another.  For all the one-on-one foibles from the mid-practice drills, the first team line gave Tony Romo solid protection against the first team D and Romo carved them up, finding a flexed Witten on a slant for a big gain and a seam-running Witten a few plays later for another huge pickup.  I'll repeat what I wrote yesterday -- the Senator looks faster this year.  

Notes:

-- Jason Hatcher appears to be making a slow, steady push at LE.  He's blowing up runs to this side, he's beating his men in pass drills. He gave Marc Colombo a tough time today.  Hatchers is a perennial quick starter, however, who always seems to roll into the injury ditch sometime around week two of camp.  Hope he leaves San Antonio in one healthy piece.  He could really contribute if he does. 

-- NT Josh Brent sat out today's practice.  I'm hoping he makes a quick return.  He teased with his quickness.  The trick is consistency.  

-- Jason Williams is making more plays on the ball, against the run and the pass.  He, like Robert Brewster, shows the effects of missing most of his rookie camp.  He's still getting his mind around some of the coverages, but he stood up Tashard Choice on a counter, and appears to be more at ease locating and flying to the football. 

-- The screen isn't going anywhere.  The Cowboys practiced screens of all flavors today, to the backs and receivers.

-- Travis Bright got some reps at right guard with the third unit today.  With Pat McQuistan looking fuzzy I take this as a strong sign for Bright, who looks like a cinch for the backup center role.  

-- Scott Sicko's play package got bigger, as he worked today at F-back, flexing into the backfield to lead the ball carrier a few times.   He played TE exclusively over the weekend. 

-- The Cowboys unwrapped an old Jerry Glanville play today, with Gurode snapping the ball directly to Felix Jones, who ran a sweep right while Tony Romo faked watching the ball sail over his head.

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Thank you sir.

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Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.

by Iron Fist on Jul 26, 2010 5:54 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

+10000

yall are doing an incredible job. keep it coming. kick off is getting closer and closer..

#9 has the most incredible 4 yard gain in the history of the NFL.

by doubleleg on Jul 26, 2010 6:00 PM CDT reply actions  

Good stuff!

Good to hear on Bright and Barron.

Interesting to see Holley on ST and not Church, Wall or Ryan.

Too bad Costa isn’t performing better. I’d love to see him stick at C so Bright can concentrate more on G.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Jul 26, 2010 6:05 PM CDT reply actions  

I also find it weird that Ogletree isn't on there..

Wasn’t he on that coverage last year, or am I remembering incorrectly?

by Static on Jul 26, 2010 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

“Scott Sicko’s package got bigger…”
You guys really are getting the inside scoop!

All kidding aside great reports. Cant get enough of em.

"On a journey to anywhere you can draw your own map."

by saidseven on Jul 26, 2010 6:13 PM CDT reply actions  

LMFAO

When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.

by White Wolf on Jul 26, 2010 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Package got bigger?

What, did Wade’s hot daughter walk by?

by East Bay Ray on Jul 26, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

ba-da-bing

East Bay Ray? How’s Jello Biafra? You delivered one of my favorite musical tributes of all time.

“Every drug he took was one less drug on the streets. He did it for us…”
— Dead Kennedys guitarist East Bay Ray on Elvis Presley

by Rafael Vela on Jul 26, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Haha. Good catch!

Few get the reference. I’m sorta new around these parts, so I’ll try to behave. Great write-up here. Much appreciated. Pretty amazing to think of what fast, complete coverage we get now rather than waiting on the old Dallas Cowboys Weekly to come in the mail when I was a kid!

by East Bay Ray on Jul 26, 2010 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

All kidding aside, Sicko is super athletic

can’t wait to see him in pre-season. And I would love to have a Sicko jersey!

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by quincyyyyy on Jul 26, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

thanks raf

think everyones still on your las post lol..

Davie Wilson
how bout them cowboys!!!

by scotscowboyfan on Jul 26, 2010 6:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Good to know Free is looking good

Makes me feel a little bit better about the O-Line. Now if we can just work on the Right Side.

by NYHorn on Jul 26, 2010 6:14 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

That motivates the hell out of me to read that paragraph above. If the one real question mark isn’t a question mark at all…look out.

by aggies92 on Jul 26, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Great stuff, Raf.

I too am so happy we got Barron for Carp. We really need his experience. Nice to hear Williams flying around. We need his speed. Even if it takes him another year to totally get it, his speed will be worth the wait. Can’t wait for the Hall of Fame game to see these guys get some extended playing time. Bright is a guy I didn’t pick up on until some others around here started singing his praises, but I find myself really pulling for him now.

When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.

by White Wolf on Jul 26, 2010 6:14 PM CDT reply actions  

Dallas used to run the direct snap

to chris warren as i recall. worked for awhile, then defenses were ready for it and they dropped it.

THANK YOU for not mentioning whose pads Dez did or didnt carry.

hatcher will make some noise, but smart money remains on spears.

by THEjarhead on Jul 26, 2010 6:17 PM CDT reply actions  

aint that the truth lol

Davie Wilson
how bout them cowboys!!!

by scotscowboyfan on Jul 26, 2010 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Glad to hear they're working on some trick plays.

I mean, you don’t want to rely on them too much, but it’s handy to be able to pull one out every now and then when the moment’s right.

"We'll see." --Bill Parcells

by Uncle Angus on Jul 26, 2010 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

I doubt we ever see that one

sometimes I think teams practice trick plays, for the sole sake of practicing new things

by AustonianAggie on Jul 27, 2010 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Awesome info..

Even though its a few days into camp, it’s nice to know a ‘select’ few that I’ve been worried about are kinda gettin’ it.. we shall see.

FEAR the STAR...it's all or nothing.... time to COWBOY UP.

by .FRoST.USAF on Jul 26, 2010 6:21 PM CDT reply actions  

Things I noticed that bring back memories of last year

" Doug Free shows a regular ability to turn and push Igor Olshanky, no easy feat. He flipped Olshansky wide on a stretch play in this drill, creating a huge cut back lane inside for the back. Later, he hooked Igor inside on a toss play that produced acres of space for Felix Jones."

Yes. this is what I saw watching him last year, he was mauling people in the run game both in front of him and linebackers. Then he would turn around and get bull rushed. Rotovibe said it was his technique not his strength. Is he still giving ground to the bull rush?

" Gurode gave me a chicken-egg moment when Junior Siavii beat him with a swim move,"

Another thing i reported in the play by plays last year, i think my words were “Junior is a ninji with his hands” Some times he just walks through a guy using his hands to get by them. When you see it on tape it is impressive.

by Musiccitynorm on Jul 26, 2010 6:28 PM CDT reply actions  

I'm more concerned that this is Gurode

cause Brent did the same thing to him yesterday.

Oh, shoot, I need to update that.

by Rafael Vela on Jul 26, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

maybe so and it's reason to be concerned

but I’m telling you Junior was really good at this last year. there were a couple plays where he just stopped last year. he could have killed the QB but pulled up. Plus even when he did go right through a guy he was suuuuuuuuuper slow.

by Musiccitynorm on Jul 26, 2010 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not jumping the gun just yet, but Kevin Mawae is on the market

In my opinion, alot of the OL struggles last season were in the interior, as well as Flozel’s inability to get off the snap quick enough to engage his defender. Hopefully, either Free or Barron could help that problem out, but I am really concerned with both Guorde & Davis this season. Struggle with simple line stunts, zone blitzes and consistency. Without much behind either of them, why not bring in Kevin Mawae. Yes, he is a 39 year old player, but he is better than Guorde right now. Maybe his presence would lit a fire up with Guorde to raise his game.

by cowboyny on Jul 26, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not to get too far off the beaten path, but

Does anyone know the story with Sergio Kendall? How do you fall down 2 flights of stairs? Fall down one flight, bounce off the rail, and begin tumbling down the second flight. That would be hard to do.

When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.

by White Wolf on Jul 26, 2010 6:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Oh man,

now we’re gonna get 100 comments on the Ravens, UT, Kindle and spousal abuse. I think I need dinner.

by Rafael Vela on Jul 26, 2010 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

haha

BBQing burgers and hot dogs right now. Oh, and sorry.

When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.

by White Wolf on Jul 26, 2010 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

just curious

does it piss you off to do all this work and poof

the thread is hijacked?

by Musiccitynorm on Jul 26, 2010 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

hahahahahahahahahah raf loil

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 26, 2010 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

haahhahaa gotta love the humor here ..)

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 26, 2010 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I really like the in depth reporting of the o-line

of course I’ve been saying I think it might be a strength and not a weakness. The Gurode statement worries me but I’d probably trade that for three good tackles and Hope on Bright.

by Musiccitynorm on Jul 26, 2010 7:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Gurode gave me a chicken-egg moment when Junior Siavii beat him with a swim move, just as Josh Brent did yesteday. Is Siavii better with his hands and rush moves, or is Gurode vulnerable to this type of interior rush. The correct answer, if camp history provides any guide, is likely “both.”

This is kinda unsettling…

the first team line gave Tony Romo solid protection against the first team D and Romo carved them up

Nice…

by CaliFanInTx on Jul 26, 2010 7:04 PM CDT reply actions  

That IS nice

He slices, he dices…oops gotta flip the burgers.

When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.

by White Wolf on Jul 26, 2010 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Highlight what you want boxed, and click the quotation mark below the title

When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.

by White Wolf on Jul 26, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

In the POST A REPLY box....

You see the icons…B I S " ∞…?

Click the quotation icon and cut and paste what you want between the quotes.

by CaliFanInTx on Jul 26, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

thnks guys

I’m going somewhere else to practice.

by Musiccitynorm on Jul 26, 2010 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

LOL

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Jul 26, 2010 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

excellent

i don’t comment much here but this is what i look forward too being here, good good stuff, from a long time cowboys fan (40 yrs) excellent job

by Troy on Jul 26, 2010 7:11 PM CDT reply actions  

Good News on Bright
Bright, who looks like a cinch for the backup center role.

The comments about Gurode are worrisome, but the above was music to my ears.

by kindablue on Jul 26, 2010 7:43 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

Just a proof that the Pro Bowl is mostly on name

Akwasi Owusu-Ansah: Funny name, serious safety.

by Rat-Pack on Jul 26, 2010 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Pat...pat...pat.....

You know what I’d like to see, someone say, “You know I’ve said this a million times and it hasn’t happened.”

Like say… Ratliff to defensive end.

AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.

Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.

by Iron Fist on Jul 26, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

shakes head

We’ll see, he only makes the probowl every year and is constantly mentioned as one of the top centers in the league, but other than that…

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Jul 26, 2010 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

you lost credability on the issue when you said Bright was as good or better than Gurode

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Jul 26, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

That really makes you laugh out loud?

AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.

Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.

by Iron Fist on Jul 26, 2010 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

aaaaand he used to be a play making machine

I actively recognize my own stupidity, thank you!!!

by levcd on Jul 26, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Im always wondering

if we should be giving as much info to Cowboys fans knowing not everyone here is a fan, possibly a scout, etc.

by cow_fanatic on Jul 26, 2010 8:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Weird, I've read

Multiple reports today saying that Bright struggled at center. Reports like the below

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post?id=4669754#comments

by CowboyMA on Jul 26, 2010 8:10 PM CDT reply actions  

My take on TC so far

- I’ve said this before: Hatcher’s name keeps on popping up in a good way on this blog and others. Is this the year he overtakes Spears? Could we actually salvage something from the miserable ’06 draft?

-OT/OG Tepper would be a great developmental project. He has a soft body which concerned me going into the draft, but he’ll get a lot better just by spending a couple of off seasons with Joe Jurazek in the weight room. The talent is definitely there, however.

-Raf hasn’t mentioned it, but WR Terrell Hudgins has been doing well so far. After surpassing Jerry Rice’s record he has the potential to be a great possession receiver in the NFL.

- ILB Jason Williams has made progress from last year, that much is clear. But the super athletic linebacker is still a year or two off from really breaking out.

-I’m going to get flamed for this, but Bright may be just as good or better than the vastly overrated Gurode. I’ve been down on Gurode for some time now, this only further confirms it. It’s not good for your pro-bowl center to get owned by scrubs.

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by quincyyyyy on Jul 26, 2010 8:23 PM CDT reply actions  

Also

John Phillips could push Deon off the roster and make room for Sicko, whom may be our most athletic TE.

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by quincyyyyy on Jul 26, 2010 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm down with that.

I know Deon was a good story as a rook, but we could really do with more value from that lead blocker position. Deon is lower than Phillips, but Phillips got a lot of reps toward the end of last season.

When I die I want to go peacefully in my sleep like my Grandfather -- not screaming like the passengers in his car.

by White Wolf on Jul 26, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Previous Production

Didn’t either Raf or OOC brake down Deon’s blocking and find it to be very productive and better than Phillips? I think it was in early May.

Akwasi Owusu-Ansah: Funny name, serious safety.

by Rat-Pack on Jul 26, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm sure it is

But Anderson is a one trick pony, and I don’t recall seeing him on the field all that much last year. Can you really waste a roster spot on a one trick pony? And by all accounts Phillips has added more muscle to his big frame this off season.

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by quincyyyyy on Jul 26, 2010 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Travis Bright is my boy!

BYU baby!!!

For The Love!!
Rise and shout the Cougars are out!!

by wheatie_87 on Jul 27, 2010 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions  

the report on the OL i read was

the weak links on the OL were Gurode & Davis. Brian Brouddus (sp) did an article about the OL & said that was the biggest concern he had. remeber last year when MBIII tried to score a TD & a 1st down behind that side of the line & they got zero push. is that what everyone else is seeing?
 has anyone heard much about the FS positon? how is Ball & Hamlin doing? also at the 4th CB battle between Gordon & Wall, i heard they looked about the same so far but nothing to detailed…
 hello to everyone & great to read all the Dallas articles without the added drama from diva reporters over at DMN

by Va_Cowboy_Fan on Jul 26, 2010 8:29 PM CDT reply actions  

You are thinking

of the Charger game…the one game last year the Cowboys lost without being dominated by a pass rush. This is also why I never listen to pundits: Michael Lombardi has Gurode as a “blue-chipper”

Akwasi Owusu-Ansah: Funny name, serious safety.

by Rat-Pack on Jul 26, 2010 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Davis and Gurode

Many of us, myself included, are down on them. They are terribly overpaid and are dropping off as they move through their 30s.

Watch the Metrodome meltdown and you’ll see them constantly get destroyed by the Williams Wall on play after play after play. Free and Kosier where the only ones who could do their job in that game.

And you’re right about the Chargers game. Davis was flat on his stomach as linebackers were stepping over him to hit Barber.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Jul 26, 2010 9:43 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

TO: Raf and all those who write here.........

i am in no way a professional journalist..but.. i do know a good one ) and group) when i see it , more over when i read it…professionalism as its best here can never be overstated….that being said.. i truly believe that all things cowboy, in truth and facts can be so readily viewed as well as understood even by us who daily look to greater understanding, and can have all we can get here at BTB . i would gladly carry your pen and notebook and recorder around camp till end, that said.. lol ( how else would i make it to tc this year ) hehehehe. thank you guys for all the time and effort you all put into increasing my understanding as well as others who embrace great journalism today……

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 26, 2010 9:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Now that's the type of Excellent reporting that brought me to this site!

and no I won’t leave if you intenionally slack off!
Good to here no negatives on Free today and that Baron and Bright is looking good also.

Read an articial on Shawn Lee on official site,but seem sort of fluff; Is he showing up?
So do you think Church has early lead on 4th corner?

by bad knees on Jul 26, 2010 9:33 PM CDT reply actions  

curious on whats up on church as well......

but if im not mistaken..church is at the safety position .

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 26, 2010 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

from what I have read Church has been around the ball

but you won’t really see him show up until the pre-season games when he is allowed to lay people out.

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by quincyyyyy on Jul 26, 2010 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

So what will happen if...

Barron continues his outstanding play? Doesn’t sound like Free has anything to worry about, but there is another OT position. I saw parts of the MIN playoff game replay, and he was terrible, I know he was coming back from injury but still, he was dominated.

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Jul 26, 2010 9:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Ya, I brought up that possibility when we got him.

Kind of would make you go, hmmmmm? now wouldn’t it.

by bad knees on Jul 26, 2010 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yea his injury had nothing to do with that game....

You do realize football players aren’t baseball players, right? Just because they come back to play doesn’t mean they are totally healed…

by mhuff13 on Jul 26, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

I acknowledged that point

But if you look at his work before the injury, he still wasn’t the best as a pass blocker, and Barron might be better (if he can avoid the penalties). I know I’d rather have the best guys blocking for Romo.

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Jul 26, 2010 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

But at the same time...

I think its important to note that Columbo is getting up there in age and he is going to decline. That injury will likely speed it up.

While I think its fair to attribute most of the MIN game catastrophe to injury, its still the last game we’ve seen him play. I think its fair for fans to have reservations about him.

by foyesboys on Jul 26, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Columbo was great last year until the injury

I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt heading into this season. But, no doubt about it, he’ll be 32 this season and not getting younger. Maybe he’ll give us 4 more campaigns and maybe this is the beginning of the same decline we’ve seen in Leonard Davis’ play. With the oldest O-line in football (even with Free bringing the average down) every player has to be watched for decline.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Jul 27, 2010 6:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

Anyone who has been at Camp:

Any false starts for Barron (he was notorious in St. Louis)? For anyone else? Any blatant holds? These are things that I’d like more attention paid to, because they are important.

by Key19 on Jul 26, 2010 10:14 PM CDT reply actions  

I haven't heard anything of it.

I think we would’ve heard by now too.

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by Iron Fist on Jul 26, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

No false starts for Barron

DMN blog has a whole post about his lack of false starts so far (I believe most of the other guys on the line have had a few). That’s a good sign, but I understand that Barron went through streaks of getting lots of penalties and then getting very few of them (could be mistaken about that). Overall, I’m thrilled with everything I’m hearing about Barron. It is very unlikely that we’ll have the entire O line stay healthy, and I feel comfortable with Barron and Holland as the backups (though I’d love to see someone beat out Holland).

by Sweet Jethro Pugh on Jul 26, 2010 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

I should add

That I’m happy with what I’ve heard about Bright, but I want to see something more in a preseason game before I feel comfortable with him at RG. Overall, I’d say this is the first TC where I am actually satisfied with the state of the team’s OL.

by Sweet Jethro Pugh on Jul 26, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love this stuff

Good coverage as always. also, the Maple St. Press mag is sick! Looks better than anything on the shelf at Borders.

by VA Dallas Fan on Jul 26, 2010 10:24 PM CDT reply actions  

Great job as always

Columbo was my biggest concern coming in. You never know if a player will return to form until they do. Good to hear that Barron is showing promise, but we really need him for depth. Let’s hope MC gets back to mauling and brings a little balance back to the line.

by Satch30 on Jul 26, 2010 10:41 PM CDT via mobile reply actions  

hope the new dt gets bk into the mix soon....

i like what ive been hearin on him so far, i just hope his hand will heal ok

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 26, 2010 10:46 PM CDT reply actions  

DT supp draft.............

According to cowboys website, he should be back in about a week with protection around his broken hand or finger

by carolinacowboy on Jul 27, 2010 8:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

ty )

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 27, 2010 4:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

ok.. im lost on why.....

they brought a guy in from tech who played DE and moved em inside at ilb pos. ???

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 26, 2010 10:51 PM CDT reply actions  

He's not playing OLB?

I’d read they brought him in as a speed/rush type OLB, similar to Ware who was a college DE.

If moved to ILB he’ll be our biggest by a wide margin, but with Butler, Brandon Williams, and Octavien all looking good maybe there’s a niche ILB role that’s his best shot to make the squad?

by Left Coast Cowboy on Jul 27, 2010 1:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dez

needs to quit popping off. Right now he has just as many catches as I do so while i think he’ll be great, his attitude is not at this stage. It makes me kind of glad that my Broncos are taking their chances with Demaryius Thomas and Eric Decker. We’ll see what happens for you guys.

Brad James

by the new Bradfather on Jul 27, 2010 1:55 AM CDT reply actions  

lol your right bad knees.....

but as far as roy goews… im no so sure on him…sounds like him goin to the press started all this brew-ha-ha….that was worst in my opinion….

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 27, 2010 3:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Your WR will carry peoples' pads every practice this year

Ours will carry the ball into the endzone every game this year

I’m pretty happy with what we’ve got. Enjoy your equipment boy.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Jul 27, 2010 6:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

hey now

as a god fearing man, and a follower of Jesus Christ I’m gonna take this last comment with a grain of salt. However, theres nothing wrong with praising the Son of man all day every day. in fact, its a great thing, and like Tebow more for it.

by missingthe90s on Jul 27, 2010 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

true, but it has nothing to do with football

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by Seanrude on Jul 27, 2010 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

reggie white, deion sanders-later in his career

two of MANY that did the same thing Tebow is doing now.

Regaurdless of weather it has to do with football or not i dont see the relevance on Dez’s attitude and Tebows love for his savior. Just didnt think your comment fit the argument very well.

by missingthe90s on Jul 27, 2010 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Fair enough, I understand your point.

Do me a favor and report my comment as inappropriate so the moderators will take it down. I cannot do it to myself, and I don’t want to offend. And you are right, it does not fit the argument.

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by Seanrude on Jul 27, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

Props to you Sean

A lot of guys have trouble with the whole accountability thing they demand from players.

FREE THE OGLETREE!!!

by dunkman on Jul 27, 2010 10:34 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

here ..here... tips the brim...i see you as a man not afraid to say hey i was wrong in any light,,, you have my respect ! period

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 27, 2010 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

god expects we ,,us,, to spread his word and good will to others ,,,i took pride in him for that !

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 27, 2010 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dez

may be fine, but I guarantee Wade Phillips won’t be. Wade is the classic example of a great coordinator that can’t handle the full load

Brad James

by the new Bradfather on Jul 27, 2010 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

Josh McDaniels is really tearing it up

AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.

Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.

by Iron Fist on Jul 27, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

HAHAHA

Holy crap, the fan from DEN is questioning someone else’s coach. Hysterical.

And BTW Brad, I’m a fan, I have been ever since Josh passed on Dez. Good luck with Thomas and Tebow running the “wild donkey”

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Jul 27, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's

because Wade Phillips was our coach once. I know what a piece of trash he is. As soon as the Cowboys let him go, mark my words, all of you will disown him. It’s still presumptuous to judge McDaniels, one year on the job and he goes 8-8. Oh my goodness he sucks

Brad James

by the new Bradfather on Jul 28, 2010 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

You got it now Brad
McDaniels, one year on the job and he goes 8-8. Oh my goodness he sucks

Just because Wade didn’t lead you team to glory, doesn’t mean he can’t do it in Dallas, with a MUCH better roster.

Now go wash your Tebow jersey that you’ve had on for a month, it’s starting to attract flies.

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Jul 29, 2010 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

Who's going to get those guys the ball?

The rag-armed drunk or the pretty boy punk? Because if Tebow gets handed the gig he’s going to be humbled to say the least.

by MadMick on Jul 27, 2010 7:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

In the words of Winnie the Pooh...

“oh bother” Not a big deal.

I’m sure you had no problem with John Elway thinking he was too good to play for the Colts and holding out.

AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.

Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.

by Iron Fist on Jul 27, 2010 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

actuqally elway lost a bit of my respect for what it ..was worth lol

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 27, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Elway was indeed that good

and I can’t fault him, that team (Colts) at that time was a mess, and it started at the top

by AustonianAggie on Jul 27, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

if you want to lambast a QB who held out until he was traded, try Eli being too good for the Chargers

by AustonianAggie on Jul 27, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

slaam..dunk!

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 27, 2010 4:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well he is a Denver fan...

I’m just saying that it’s not the first time a rookie player did something like this.

AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.

Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.

by Iron Fist on Jul 27, 2010 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

Question: Wonder if he would have minded doing it for Austin?

Think it might be a Texas / Ok thing? or don’t they play each other; don’t really follow 2A. LOL

by bad knees on Jul 27, 2010 4:08 AM CDT reply actions  

After all this fake controversy drummed up by haters, wouldn’t it be satisfying if the TD that wins us the Super Bowl is a spectacular catch by Bryant that makes Roethlisberger to Holmes in 09 look lame. I think that would make the haters cry.

#1 LBJ and A-Rod fan
Haters gonna hate.

by LBJ6Heat on Jul 27, 2010 7:37 AM CDT reply actions  

As long as Romo threw the pass, a certain Bryant hater here would be fine with it.

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by Seanrude on Jul 27, 2010 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

Great throws are the only kind that Romo makes. Any other opinion is ridiculous, childish, and naive.

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by Seanrude on Jul 27, 2010 9:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

I disagree.

AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.

Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.

by Iron Fist on Jul 27, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

Grow up, even you have to admit that Sean Lee is the best draft pick ever made

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by Seanrude on Jul 27, 2010 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

Second only to Isiah Thomas.

by AustonianAggie on Jul 27, 2010 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

tongue in cheek ..there sean? heheh

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 27, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

2nd it loil...

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 27, 2010 4:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

Whomever are you talking about?

AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.

Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.

by Iron Fist on Jul 27, 2010 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

We are not talking about a real person, just a hypothetical Bryant hater, Big Difference

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by Seanrude on Jul 27, 2010 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 27, 2010 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

If by chance the Cowboys get to the SB

I think there is a VERY high probability that would happen. That is no a pipe dream at all. It’s more like a good possibility.

by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 27, 2010 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

StillHateTheGiants

I also think it’s a good possibility that we get to the SB, we have to improve though on what hurt us last year, (ie redzone,penalties. oline)

by carolinacowboy on Jul 27, 2010 8:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

claps hands...)

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 27, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

Las Vegas Odds for Cowboys Superbowl

Currently at: Eight to One
Sound like they are rated too low?….nope.. That is the same odds as New Orleans.
Secure site: http://www.vegas.com/gaming/futures/superbowl.html

Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes the rules.

by 1Bullseye on Jul 27, 2010 8:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Buehler? Buehler? Anyone?

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by Seanrude on Jul 27, 2010 10:20 AM CDT up reply actions  

quick!

Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009

by Realist Larry on Jul 27, 2010 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

6 for 6 overall so far...

from 20 to 38 yards I believe. All of his other attempts have been at the narrow uprights so it’s hard to judge the accuracy on them.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Jul 27, 2010 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

anybody see?

espn first take where in the power rankings the boys are #4 and the rest of the east are ranked 16-20 and bayless thinks cowboys have great chance to sweep div this year and that the deadskins will be better than both the iggles and the gnats, any comments?

by carolinacowboy on Jul 27, 2010 10:28 AM CDT reply actions  

I hope it plays out that way...

but I’m not going to hold my breath.LOL

And if we do win the division, I hope we also can manage a good enough record against the rest of the league to get home field advantage. I really don’t want a repeat of last year.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Jul 27, 2010 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow. I think people are really underestimating the Giants.

I don’t like them any more than the next guy, but they were ravaged by injuries last year. If they are healthy, I think they are still a force to be dealt with.

by illcowboy on Jul 27, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree, the Midgets bounce back this season

Dallas needs to make sure and at least split with them this year.

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Jul 27, 2010 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even in a down year a sweep of the division is going to be extremely difficult.

I expect the Giants to be back and besides for all that went wrong with them last year Eli still dissected the Cowboys defense twice. That sickens me. Also I wouldn’t be too sure about a clean sweep of the division being the equivalent of passing some brutal test. Or more to the point I don’t think sweeping the division makes you battle tested to the degree that you’ll have an easier time against teams that had cakewalks to their division titles. It may have been the case for those ‘90s Cowboys teams but I don’t think it’s that simple now.

Consider that in the half decade since the Eagles made the Super Bowl the NFC East war of attrition really has sapped the Division Champ. In that time span no division winner has made it past the Divisional Round and twice they were eliminated by the division runner-up; ’07 Cowboys, ’08 Giants despite both teams being the top seeds.

Of course, I realize that’s just another odd NFL trend. It’s still a good indicator of how in today’s unpredictable league even being the top team in the traditionally toughest division in the league doesn’t mean you have the resolve to roll through the playoffs.

by MadMick on Jul 27, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

good post madmick

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 27, 2010 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

wouldn’t that be awesome to finish firts in the conf and never leave home all the way thru the SB?

by carolinacowboy on Jul 27, 2010 10:39 AM CDT reply actions  

Hatcher and Lee missed the morning workout.

Lee has a pulled quad and I didn’t hear why Hatcher missed, but he seems to be hurt a lot.

by DIRE WOLF on Jul 27, 2010 10:45 AM CDT reply actions  

Yes he does.

Hate to hear that about both of them. Hopefully they’re minor and they’re holding them out more for precaution than a need for a long recovery.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Jul 27, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Basically every year

The guy teases us with really good play early then gets hurt. sigh I remember thinking he was the 2nd coming of Leon Lett. I think that was 3-4 years ago.

by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 27, 2010 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stephen Jones is looking smarter and smarter not dealing Spears.

I was wrong on that one…even if we do have Bowen.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Jul 27, 2010 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Dammit about Lee

Caught and interview with him on DFW sportsbeat and he was saying he felt great, and put on some muscle since mini camp.

Maybe that’s why he pulled the quad, not used to the extra wt.

Dez Bryant, Miles Austin, Jason Witten, Felix Jones = defensive coordinator's Kobayashi Maru scenario

by APerfectStar on Jul 27, 2010 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Jason Hatcher

I like Hatcher, he seems to have good camps and good preseason games but just can’t seem to get to that next level during the season, maybe it is the competition thing during the preseason, anyway hopefully this year he can push for more time.

by carolinacowboy on Jul 27, 2010 10:55 AM CDT reply actions  

response to Hatcher

reportedly a hyper-extension injury.

by carolinacowboy on Jul 27, 2010 10:58 AM CDT reply actions  

Yup

That could be ugly depending on how much damage was done inside. I’ve had an elbow hyper-extended working as my brother’s sparing dummy. Not fun at all.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Jul 27, 2010 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Broaddus said this morning

the backup O-Line looks bad except for Barron. Some of these guys are getting old, if Dallas has 2 or 3 O-Lineman go down, they could be in a world of hurt.

by DIRE WOLF on Jul 27, 2010 11:07 AM CDT reply actions  

That's a valid point

But tell me what NFL team wouldn’t be in a world of hurt if they lost 2-3 offensive linemen. Any team has a position that if you said you’ll lose 40 – 60% of your starters would be screwed.

by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 27, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

True,

He says some of the backups are not ready to play in the NFL. The Eagles had a lot of their starting OL go down last year and were able to do OK with backups. It’s kinda scary when Broaddus says there not ready to play, he knows his sht.

by DIRE WOLF on Jul 27, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions  

If guys like Holland and McQuistan aren't even servicable, that would be depressing.

But at least we don’t have Proctor around to open the floodgates anymore.

by illcowboy on Jul 27, 2010 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

lol

woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol

by demonbane on Jul 27, 2010 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

The OL is the biggest question I see with this team

I do share your concern. Raf has posted some somewhat more positive things so I’ll put on the blinders and ignore Broaddus and only listen to what Raf writes :)

by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 27, 2010 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

we know this team goes 2 deep at Online, with quality back up Barron, and succesful NFL Career Montrae Holland. Dallas may be lucky to get to 4 deep with RT Brewster and C/G Bright

by AustonianAggie on Jul 27, 2010 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

No Pat Watkins on the ST list?

Did I miss something and he’s hurt? I was surprised he didn’t make the list of the 9 guys drilling with McBriar, considering his strong ST history for us.

Larry Allen benched 700 pounds. That is Leonard Davis times two.

by Tim Wilson on Jul 27, 2010 1:43 PM CDT reply actions  

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