Cowboys Training Camp: What the Position Coaches Are Saying
One of the nice things about training camp is the access we as fans get to the players and coaches on a daily basis, even though most of us are not physically present in San Antonio.
The level of reporting from camp is simply stunning, starting of course with BTBs most excellent coverage. It feels like we're getting progress reports and even soundbites of almost every player at least once a day.
As I was clicking through all the different reports on the different sites, I couldn't help but notice that over the last two or three days, a lot of different position coaches on the coaching staff have been quoted in different articles.
Taken individually, these quotes are often used to provide color or to spice up an article about a specific topic or player. Taken together they can help paint an interesting overall picture of how the various position battles are progressing and which players are coming along well.
Offensive line coach Hudson Houck likes what he sees at left tackle.
"I think we've got two real good players," Houck said. "We've got five preseason games, so we'll find out which guy we're going to put in there. It's pretty open. Free has earned the right to get the first look, but we're certainly open to seeing what Alex can do."
Tight end John Phillips impressed offensive coordinator Jason Garrett with his hunting habits, both on and off the field:
"He hunts bobcats in the offseason, so I think that says enough about him," offensive coordinator Jason Garrett said jokingly. "He's not always the flashiest," Garrett said, "but typically, he gets the job done. We're excited about him."
Tight ends coach John Garrett joins the growing crowd of John Phillips fans.
"He sat back there when he wasn’t getting a lot of reps and watched No. 82," tight ends coach John Garrett. "He watched the model of how to do it in every aspect of the game. He’s not dumb. He knows who to watch and who to emulate, and he has picked up a lot from Jason."
Linebackers coach Reggie Herring thinks that the Cowboys have the best depth he's seen yet at linebacker.
"We have more speed and more ability depth wise than we have in the three years I've been here,'' Herring said.
Of course, with Anthony Spencer on your team, it's not that hard to get excited
"He was already very difficult to block and deal with as a rusher or a run defender," Cowboys linebackers coach Reggie Herring said. "He's building consistency, and he's really established himself as a player. He's just applying himself more day to day, and we're very pleased right now with his attitude and his work ethic. It looks like he's got a chance right now, the way he's going, to pick up from where he left off last year by the end."
Reggie Herring wants to see a little more of Sean Lee before getting too excited.
"We’re very excited about Sean. I’m not going to declare anybody anything until they line up against NFL competition and prove it. Right now, he’s done a nice job at practice. He’s doing what we asked of him. He’s shown nice ability in the run and pass game. He’s a smart, instinctive player. So far, he’s everything we thought he’d be. So far. Now, let’s go play a few games and make an evaluation."
Tim MacMahon from ESPNDallas reports that word around Valley Ranch is that there's only one linebacker the Cowboys have graded higher in the past few drafts than Sean Lee. That would be Patrick Willis, the 49ers 3-time Pro Bowler & 2-time First-Team All-Pro. No wonder Reggie Herring is trying to keep expectations in check.
But overall, Herring sounds pleased with the progress of his linebacker corp:
Even Leon Williams is having a great camp right now – a guy we didn’t expect. Jason Williams is somewhat inconsistent but he shows flashes of great ability. We’re working on the consistency, the maturity factor with him. Sean Lee is an excellent, excellent prospect to be a Cowboy here. He’s doing things very well – very talented.
Then you take a Victor Butler. Talk about turning the light on. In the last three days, all of a sudden he's starting to rush the passer better than he ever has. The reemergence of a Brandon Williams, whom we didn’t have last year, who’s an explosive pass rusher. Steve Octavien who’s probably a harder worker than anybody we have at OL's, who’s making plays and is productive.
Coach Joe DeCamillis, special teams wizard and coach, wants Dez Bryant to be The Return Man.
"He's special with the ball in his hands and we're going to try to help him as much as we can," DeCamillis said, adding, "I think he's got a chance to be exceptional at both."
And the Cowboys do need Dez to step up, because kickoff returns were not something the Cowboys excelled at last year.
"Kickoff returns is definitely something we want to improve on," DeCamillis said. "We were above average to good on almost everything last year, but kickoff returns we just weren't ever comfortable. We're emphasizing that."
Running backs coach Skip Peete has an interesting idea about how to get each back enough touches.
"But a lot of times, it's not necessarily the number of carries you get," Peete said, "it's the touches. If you get 15 carries and 10 catches, that's your 25 touches." "I love that," Peete said. "There's nothing like having a running back in open space. You get big yardage." [emphasis mine]
Secondary coach Dave Campo gives us some insight into the position battle for the 4th corner spot.
"I'd say Cletis Gordon has been in the lead, he's got the experience," Campo said following Wednesday's practice. "I like Cletis. I think he's made as much improvement as anybody out here. I feel like he's really embraced the scheme and he's working very well and he offers something the other guys don't have, he has size and uses his hands and he can be more physical than the other guys.""[Jamar Wall] is starting to make some plays and I think that's going to be his strength. Sometimes he looks a little herky-jerky out there and not real smooth. But there's been a lot of guys who played that looked real well but they don't play very well. He has playmaking ability. When it's for real, he's a physical player and some of that stuff will begin to show up."
"Bryan McCann is technically sometimes better than the veteran guys, just footwork, break-and-drive and all those kinds of things, but he's 186 pounds, [Wall] is 196 and [Gordon] 200. What's he going to do when the pads come on? Are the big receivers going to push him and that kind of thing? He looks a little smoother than Wall, but Wall I've seen play but you have to see who is going to be a factor."
Dave Campo also wants Allan Ball to focus exclusively on Free Safety
"Right now, he's at level 101,'' secondary coach Dave Campo said. "He's working to 201. He's close to 201. If we get to 201, we're going to be pretty good. "Not many guys get to 401. I'm at 401.''
"He'll make some plays,'' Campo said. "He's still feeling his way around a little bit. "The No. 1 thing for the guy back there is to make sure we're right. We can be aggressive, but we've got to make sure we're right first. If all four guys are right, we're going to be pretty good.''
Wide receivers coach Ray Sherman thinks highly of the WR groups' talent level
"I think we've got a little more talent than we had in Minnesota, little more than I had in Green Bay and even in San Francisco," Sherman said. "Overall, talent-wise as a group. Now we had some individuals that were very talent but overall talent is probably the best."
Ray Sherman also hints at the role Dez Bryant might play in the coming season.
"He is learning to play on the outside," receivers coach Ray Sherman said. "If you throw a lot at him, you're going to confuse him and slow his growth down. You have to get him in a spot and get him comfortable, with the system and also have him understand all the other components of the route, what those entail. Then, you can branch him out to other parts."
Chris Boniol loves David Buehler’s temperament when it comes to kicking FG’s, thinks that nothing bothers him, and likes the authority with which Buehler kicks.
"David’s a unique individual with unique physical skills. It’s not my job to teach him how to kick - he knows how to kick - it’s how to kick better."
"Nothing bothers him. I don’t know if you’ve watched this in OTAs, our fields were horrible, we got wind – we did everything we could to make things tough on him. And nothing bothers him. If you have a bad kick, if you have a bad day, he rebounds. He responds and comes back positive. And that’s important."
"Yesterday he was 3 for 4 but he hit the upright from 35. Well, he came back and hit a 46 and 48. With some authority. And that’s an important thing to see in a kicker. How do you respond after a miss? He does a good job of that."
Quarterbacks coach Wade Wilson sees Tony Romo off to a better start than last year.
"He's had a fabulous camp so far," Wade Wilson said. "He plays practice as real as anybody I've ever been around. He treats it like a game. When our guys are rushing him, he has a complete understanding of where he wants to go with the ball. If he has to move to get rid of the ball, he knows where to get it out. If everything is clean, he is throwing the ball as accurate as I've seen. Better than last year." [...] "He's asserting his personality onto the offense as well. In the meetings and on the practice field, it comes in how he approaches things every day."
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Time I’ve seen this kind of compilation. Excellent stuff. I especially liked the Buehler comments
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 30, 2010 9:02 AM CDT reply actions
I don't see alot of quotes on the OL except for the LTs
that can’t be a good sign.
Anyhow, Newman weighs about as much as McCann. I think he’ll be fine.
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The quote from Wade
comes from an interview with more personnel assessments. He doesn’t talk about much more on the line, except that they love Colombo as well.
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Isn't no news from an OL usually a good thing?
I would think camp is the same as games. If the guys we expect to play on the OL would look bad, we would be hearing about it.
Well you have to remember most of these quotes are coming from questions.
Reporters aren’t asking “how is Kyle Kosier looking?”, they are asking “How well has new tackle Doug Free looking?”
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Newman has more speed
and more ability at his size than McCan
You're talking game speed right?
Because I don’t remember Newman ever running a 4.28 in the 40.
Newman ran a 4.39…in 2003:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2003/draft/players/7869.html
Game speed would hopefully come with experience.
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Yep, you’re right. Lazy me went with the knowledge of Newmans 4.3 and made an ass of me.
Great stuff
Love the LB depth, although now you have me worried about which guys aren’t going to make the team. Liek I need the stress. So thanks.
Loved this, especially because the team sure seemed to need more of it:
Running backs coach Skip Peete has an interesting idea about how to get each back enough touches.
“But a lot of times, it’s not necessarily the number of carries you get,” Peete said, “it’s the touches. If you get 15 carries and 10 catches, that’s your 25 touches.” “I love that,” Peete said. “There’s nothing like having a running back in open space. You get big yardage.” [emphasis mine]
These backs are killers in the open field, especially TC and FJ.
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These backs are killers in the open field, especially TC and FJ.
Don’t leave out Barber. He might not have the MOVES in the open field, but he gets 1v1 on a DB and it’s lights out.
I know he's great
especially catching the ball, but those other two can wreak absolute havoc in the open field.
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I have to agree.
Barber is just as dangerous. I remember him making some HUGE gains the past couple of years.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 30, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Arizona game in 2008
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Barber made that Cardinals defense look almost as silly on that play.
As Emmitt did on that 90-yard reception of a short pass against the Cardinals in ’93 when Kosar was filling in for Aikman.
No disrespect intended
I just disagree that Barber is as good in the open field as those other 2. I love MBIII but being elusive or run away from you fast are not his strengths.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 30, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
That's sort of how I see it
MB is a threat to make a big gain. The other two are a threat to score.
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linebackers
Can’t wait for our first game, want to see our depth at lb esp B Williams and J Williams
by carolinacowboy on Jul 30, 2010 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions
Broaddus Said B. Williams is looking great,
but J. Williams looks lost on some plays.
yeah,
that’s why he’s Mr. 75%.
But he’s blowing stuff up on those 75%. He’s getting there.
by Rafael Vela on Jul 30, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
How many of those LB's will be kept?
If you had to guess right now, who would be apt to be cut just because there’s too much talent to keep it all? Trade value?
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 30, 2010 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions
the first 8 are automatic
the starting four — Ware, Spencer, Brooking, James,
then the kids — B. Williams, Butler,, J. Williams, Lee
Now, if they keep 9? I’d probably put Octavian there right now. But they’ll have some LBs other teams will want.
There’s no need to touch those second four. All talented. All rookie or 2nd year players.
by Rafael Vela on Jul 30, 2010 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
That's about what I was thinking
And Octavian is the guy who got my attention last year. I like his motor. I hope they can keep 9.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 30, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
STs
It wouldn’t shock me if they kept 10, but then they don’t keep 6 WRs or 9 OL.
They’ve got some tough final decisions.
Don’t fret for guys like Octavian or Sam Hurd. If they don’t make Dallas roster, they’ll join — and contribute to — other NFL teams.
by Rafael Vela on Jul 30, 2010 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Expect to read in a week or two about a lot of pro scouts at Cowboys games
studying the boarder-of-the-roster guys.
by Rafael Vela on Jul 30, 2010 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions
A lot has changed in ten years.
Not many teams looked at Dallas’ cast offs back then. In the Campo years our talent level was among the worst in the league. Now Dallas will have to cut a number of guys that will play and may even start for other teams. I think Tuna did a lot to get this team and Jerry going in the right direction.
Border Bandits...
I love the depth that is trying to forge a team for Dallas this year. But it does appear that the Cowboys will have much trouble trying to ‘sneak’ anyone onto their Practice Squad this year.
There is no right way to do the wrong thing. GO COWBOYS!!
which is exactly why I hope we can package a couple of guys in a trade for a backup
Esp. if one of those teams gets hit by an injury.
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by Realist Larry on Jul 30, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm guessing 9
who the 9 will be is anybody’s guess. We have not seen a single game so nobody knows.
I can't see any fewer than 9
Wade Philips has never kept less than 10
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jul 30, 2010 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Uh, have you been watching practice?
I’d put him 10th or 11th at best.
J Williams
|’ll take that 75% for now, I think the kid has promise, like the direction we are going with our linebacking corps.
by carolinacowboy on Jul 30, 2010 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Lee > Williams
i think Lee will be ahead of Williams when the season starts if he can stay healthy, not that i dont like Williams but i just think Lee is going to be a special player.
by Va_Cowboy_Fan on Jul 30, 2010 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Everybody take a deep breath.....
These guys are our assistant coaches……they are not going to call out anybody for playing pourly so all you hear are the good things…..Im excited about the upcoming season, but this is CAMP, lets see what they look like against other teams before we get to drinking the Kool-aid
Keep Phillps, trade Bennett
"My days of not taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle"
Who is drinking kool-aid?
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lol
So you accuse others of drinking Camp Kool-Aid and then end it with:
“Keep Philps [sic], trade Bennett”
I’m guessing you are basing this off the information you are reading about Philips’ work in training camp? Stop trying the Kool-Aid, dude.
Call me a drinker then...
I was excited about Phillips from last year. He seemed like a Witten starter kit. Similar skills and stature, but way behind in experience. Seems he’s learned a thing or two. While he may never be a Witten, he’s obviously grasped how to translate stuff from the mind to the body much better than Martellis. You can have all the ability in the world, but if you can’t translate that to the field, it’s wasted.
I will definitely be stealing this one, excellent
He seemed like a Witten starter kit
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 30, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Same here
What I like about Phillips is that he had absolutely no business finding his way to the field, and yet he did, and even scored in a playoff game. The guy is not going away.
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Let's break his jaw and see if he can handle it
Then we’ll really know!
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by Realist Larry on Jul 30, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
Ha!
I was of course referring to Witten’s broken jaw when Parcells was here, but good one.
Maybe I can tie it in to the endles discussion of whether QB’s get better as they age or not too
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by Realist Larry on Jul 30, 2010 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions
We could always send him down the field without a helmet.
Oh wait, they made that a dead ball thing now…dang it.
LOL
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by Aaron Novinger on Jul 30, 2010 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions
good stuff
Campo saying Ball is at level 101 isn’t exactly confidence inspiring, but hopefully he’s not meaning too much with that. I’d prefer a 301 FS at least lol.
I predict Buehler ends up being a very fine place kicker. He does have the right personality for it, very self-confident and focused.
Let's just read at it this way
Hamlin the First was only taking on-line PhysEd classes and Keith Davis was putting off taking the GED…
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I know for a fact that's not accurate
Hamlin the First sat next to me in basket weaving on Thursday afternoons
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 30, 2010 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I can't agree with that.
Say what you will about his athleticism or playmaking, but Hamlin was very, very good at lining up the defense, knowing everyone’s responsibilities, etc.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 30, 2010 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't say he was of no value
but other than getting guys lines up, he was a non-factor on the field. Bad knees made more plays than he did.
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Oh, I thought Campo was talking about the mental aspect of the position, since he said that he (Campo) was at 401 and that players rarely reached that level.
by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 30, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
That's how I took it
And I thought it was an honest evaluation of where he is now.
Hopefully in a few weeks he’ll be at “301”, because I can’t stand any more of the DB’s looking at each other after a long team:
“I thought you had him!”
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by Realist Larry on Jul 30, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I assumed Wade was talking about
his individual play at the position – taking the right angles, lining up farther from the line (things Wade commented on yesterday). Frankly I expect Brady and Sensi to take a large roles in calling the defense.
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I took it as a rating of competence at the position.
Ball’s at 101 closing in on 201.
Campo’s at 401.
Dawkins, Sharper and Reed are likely above 301 and getting pretty darn close to the 401 level.
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This "lining up" thing
Who is he lining up?
Newman is going to be lost without Hamlin? Jenkins has no clue what his half of the field is. Bradie James and Keith Brooking just don’t have enough experience to know where to line up at linebacker?
Come on.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jul 30, 2010 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I always think coaches are coaching/talking to the player/s though the media.
The only thing I read into that is him trying to push Balls buttons.
Some times they stroke their egos and sometimes its a subtle foot in the ass.
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The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
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-John Wooden-
they seem to place great emphasis on individual coaching
so maybe Ball is more the subtle kick kind of player lol
Fun Compilation to Read
Thanks, OCC. It is just training camp and I don’t want to get carried away and all, but I’m pretty excited about our talent level at linebacker. If these guys can learn the positions, and if Sean Lee is as instinctive as they believe, this defense could be special.
I see Romo having an MVP type of year
The kid simply keeps getting better each and every season and his best has yet to come.
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Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles
saw that comment coming.
At what point do you stop being called a kid too? Isn’t he close to 30?
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and Ray Charles has been dead for how long?
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7 years I think.
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If He Believes That
He’s flat wrong. Most quarterbacks are out of the league by 30, and you can count on both hands the number of starting quarterbacks who’ve had strong seasons past their 37th birthday.
The notion that quarterbacks reach their prime in their mid-thirties is fantasy.
I don't think most are out of the league at 30...
but I don’t think their prime is in the mid 30’s.
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There have been 849 quarterbacks who’ve thrown at least one regular season pass from the mid-1930’s on, give or take some guys from the early era who played as passing halfbacks and fullbacks. Of that group, only 328 threw pass past their 30th birthday. The ratio gets even more extreme when you consider there were other quarterbacks on the roster who never threw a pass.
And how did you filter to get just the true starting caliber QB's?
A lot of those guys, probably more than half were never true starters, many were probably Clint Longley types who didn’t even become journeymen starters. Just young 3rd stringers who basically never left the bench for more than a game.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 30, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
That's kind of what I was thinking too.
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That's a Different Subject, Isn't It?
I said most quarterbacks were out of the league by 30. I wasn’t talking about starting quarterbacks.
My mistake
I thought we were talking about Tony Romo and the progression of guys like him. I didn’t realize we had changed the subject.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 30, 2010 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions
Let Me Filter on Starting QBs
If that’s what you’d like to see. Just let me know how you define a starting quarterback and I’ll filter it that way and let you know what I find. It’s not as easy at might seem at first glance, because sometimes teams switch between QBs during the season or between seasons (Orton/Cutler, Carter/Hutchinson, Warner/Leinart, etc). It’s too hard for me to sort out, and if I did, you might not like it. So I’ll let you choose and I’ll filter it that way.
Fair enough
You actually made my point. I was simply saying your methodolgy was flawed. I wasn’t trying to be a jerk.
To answer your question, how about including just the QB’s who have enough career starts to have probably been a consistent starter for 3-4 years. I would put that number somewhere in the 50 games neighborhood. That would eliminate all the Clint Longley, Steve Pelleur, Chad Hutchinson etc types.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 30, 2010 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions
It's a Very Short List
And Tony Romo would not even come close to making it, with ten starts in his first four years. I’m not sure it’s a good comparison, but anyway…
I could only find 28 quarterbacks who met that criteria, out of over 800. It excludes most Hall of Famers, like Bart Starr, Staubach, Johnny Unitas, Montana, Young, Jurgensen, Griese, Luckman and many other great ones like Brady, Favre, and Ken Anderson.
To answer your question, all 28 were still on a roster by the age of 30, which should not be surprising, right? If he enters the league at 22 or 23 and starts 50 games by the age of 26 or 27, odds are he’ll still hang around for another three or four years.
Our wires are crossed
I meant any QB who has 50 or more career starts.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 30, 2010 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Got It
There were 284 quarterbacks with 50 or more career starts. Of that group, 244 played to at least age 30. That’s a “survival rate” of about 86%, so I would agree with you on that one.
Who said I was making a bet.
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I would also say that most QB's that are out by 30...
Are due to the fact that most of them never progressed. Everyone wants to get younger and a possible starter.
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I think Romo's peak will be later than a lot of modern QB's
His path has been more like the 70’s and 80’s generation of QB’s. I think he will peak before mid-late 30’s but I don’t think he’s peeked yet either. Tom Brady peeked before 30 and so did many others like McNabb, E Manning.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 30, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
I never said, I said early to mid 30s
If you look at all your really good qbs throughout the years, that holds true. They are like fine wine, they get better with age.
Didn’t Favre have his best year at 40?? Just saying there is a lot of evidence to support my argument.
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Joe Montana.
19-1 TD/INT ration in the ‘89 and ’90 postseasons when he was 32 and 33 respectively. Also whether or not KB’s system necessarily bares it out at a glance it certainly appears that John Elway not only got his rings at the end of his career but that statistically speaking he peaked at 35 and stayed there until he retired at the ripe old age of 38.
Well, Troy Aikman was physically shot by his 30's.
And it remains to be seen if Carson Palmer or Tom Brady will ever fully recover from their critical knee injuries even if that’s from a psychological standpoint as much as a physical one.
Romo will be fine and have a handful more of quality seasons as long as he keep his lingering back issues in check.
Aikman wasn't physically shot in his 30s
He retired because of too many concussions just like Young, and he’s another one who was peaking in his mid 30s, there is no question he would have had several more good years.
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Back problems and concussions.
Also while you’re technically right that his arm wasn’t literally shot the fact that both he and Young couldn’t withstand more concussions means physically they were spent because at that point every big shot they took was harmful to their long-term health and well being in day-to-day life after football. Realistically their litany of concussions means their bodies(afterall head is the most important part of the body) just weren’t up to the task of withstanding any more punishment considering the risk it meant to their long term health. So them being rational human beings, yes, they were shot.
I guess technically if they didn’t mind the risk of being turned into a vegetable like delusional boxers who stick around too long then yes physically both guys were capable of dropping back and throwing the football as long as they wanted.
I read an interview with Aikman recently
he said it was not the concussions, but the back that caused him to retire. But then he referred to his wife twice a Rhoda, so who knows?
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Also it's been well-documented Aikman's back was jacked up by then.
Are you saying that was all exaggerated?
Concussions aren't physical?
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Wouldnt they all have had several more good years if they didnt get hurt.
Elway won his SBs in his late 30s and was smart and made a few plays but he was a better QB in his younger days he just didnt have a HOFer at RB til his late 30s.
Thats why your past your peak in your mid 30s. You have been beaten or as Emmitt put it, in a car wreck once a weeek for 20+ weeks. You can still play and your brain is still great but your sliding physically. That means you arent peaking anymore.
Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-
Think back when football was a full contact sport,
even for the QBs. How did those guys play for so many years? You had to be one tough SOB to play QB in that era.
I don't think Elway had declined that much by his mid-30's.
Now if he had the same caliber of supporting cast in his late 20’s would he have put up sick shockingly great numbers? That’s probably true.
But Elway was just as capable as Favre at playing at an elite level well into his 40’s. Unlike Favre, Elway was capable of being decisive in concluding that he just didn’t want any part of all the preparation that goes into preparing for the season after winning back-to-back titles. It would have been pretty wild though if Elway had struck around and the Broncos ended up facing the Rams in the Super Bowl.
Elway's legs were giving out at the end of the season..
His arm was ok.
Same with Johnny U
He could still throw, but they’d time his drops with a calendar.
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But you also have to take into account
how good (or bad) the team is. A good over 30 QB on a crummy team won’t produce the numbers to show him peaking.
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by fan since '65 on Jul 30, 2010 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Blasphemy? To Elway?
Montana I get. I consider him the best ever. I think Romo compares pretty well to Elway.
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Easy, now.
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by Baked Potato Soup on Jul 30, 2010 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't say impersonate him
I said compare. Romo hasn’t won any SBs yet (and Elway didn’t until very late), but Romo’s trajectory is pretty steep. I compare them in several ways – accuracy, mobility. moxie. Elway was a little less mobile but had a stronger arm.
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I don't know that Elway was any less mobile than Romo, especially when he was Romo's age
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Not in terms of running straight line
but Romo’s ability to dodge in small spaces is more than unusual. I would say in the range of Staubach and Tarkenton.
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I think Elway was in that class as well
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Well, I haven't watched him in a while
but he reminded me more of Favre (of old). Fast and strong.
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Elway was faster but maybe not as elusive.
However, Elways arm was untouchable by all but a select few.
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There you go
those were my points. Anyway, I’m only pointing out that Romo is an excellent, mobile QB who gives his team a great chance to win.
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Coming from the guy who couldn't remember specifics about Mark Chemura the other day
John Elway was very elusive. He was in the class of Staubach, Tarkenton, and Romo (in my opinion).
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 30, 2010 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I know Staubach was his idol growing up.
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The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
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Staubach was my idle too
And nobody has ever called me elusive.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 30, 2010 2:53 PM CDT up reply actions
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by fan since '65 on Jul 30, 2010 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions
By the way
I got my Bill Bates jersey yesterday!
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by fan since '65 on Jul 30, 2010 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions
I meant more in terms of accomplishments.
Also while Elway didn’t have any hardware until the very end he’d already had plenty of legendary postseason moments.
He also didn't take the early physical beating Aikman did.
I remember Aikman and his perpetually bleeding chin in his first couple of years. No guarantees, but it could mean some longevity for Romo (if the O line doesn’t get him killed).
I believe the same.
Before last year began I sated on here I saw Brees taking the next step and joining the likes of Manning and Brady as an elite QB. You could see his natural progression and growth as a QB. This year I see Romo becoming Elite. We just need to keep him upright and stay healthy. With our screen game and weapons we have an opportunity to be down right scary. Romo is primed for elite status.
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the reason why qbs reach their peak in their 30s
is because it’s such a difficult position to play and master, it’s a lot more mental than any other position on the field and doesn’t require as much athletic ability and they don’t hit as much as all other positions.
The only way you get really good is by playing and experiencing many different scenarios.
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It's why I'm so surprised
Aaron Rodgers is becoming elite so fast. Who would’ve guessed that Green Bay was losing a legendary QB for an elite QB
Rodgers had the luxury of sitting...
maturing and learning from one of the best instead of being thrown to the wolves ala David Carr.
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Haven't you heard the saying:
“It’s always good to learn from your mistakes…it’s even better to learn from someone else’s.”?
LOL
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I think a QB reaches his peak between years 4-10. That works out between 25 to 31 roughly.
If he isnt thrown to the dogs his first couple of years ala Aikman he could extend it some.
I would say mentally they peak in their 30s. Unfortunately their bodies are starting the slide even if we dont notice it. Romo didnt play much early in his career so I could see him holding on physically longer.
Of course with conditioning and nutrition things have improved but still, football is just too violent. I feel we could we could win a SB with Romo in his mid to late 30s but he will be past his physical peak.
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This is a good point
It’s not the age, but the mileage. At any rate, what will really help is an improvement in the offensive line.
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Glad I read through all of the above responses before I commented.
This was the point I kept waiting for someone to make.
It kind of goes along with Rb’s like Thomas Jones and Chester Taylor. They’re having some of their best years at an age where the LT’s and Westbrook’s are used up. Why? Because they weren’t used and abused much early in their career.
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Wow!
Word around Valley Ranch is that there’s only one linebacker the Cowboys have graded higher in the past few drafts than Sean Lee. That would be Patrick Willis, the 49ers 3-time Pro Bowler & 2-time First-Team All-Pro. No wonder Reggie Herring is trying to keep expectations in check.
Keep it in check, my ass!
The doctor said I have too much blood in my alcohol system.
I'm guessing that comment should read "inside linebacker"
there’s no way Lee graded higher than Demarcus Ware did in ’05.
by Rafael Vela on Jul 30, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I wonder how high they graded Roy
To be worth a first and third, then. Better than Jerry Rice?
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jul 30, 2010 12:10 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Best write-up on camp yet
Keep up the great work. We’re antsy for the season to start and need as much info as possible.
I’d love to hear more play-by-plays to Dez Bryant!!
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“Best write-up on camp yet” ?
Really!? It’s just a bunch of quotes.
Have you not read the stuff Raf has been posting?
Thanks
I couldn’t think of a polite way to say that. I like this a lot, but Raf’s first hand accounts are un-parralleled
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 30, 2010 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Did anyone else see Moose on NFLN last night.
They said he will be on there a lot. If he is, it will upgrade the show.
I would say
Moose is one of the best and most unbiased commentators out there. Moose + someone would be great as the lead Fox team (sorry Troy though I started to like you more at the end of last year)…
Iwas just about to post that Moose is a complete and total homer, and should learn about being objective from Troy
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Troy is objective???
IMO he goes too far the other way to avoid being labelled a homer….
talk to giants and eagles fans and they say troy is a homer
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What do you expect from Giants and Eagles fans?
Anything related to the Cowboys they hate.
and Cowboys fans (for the most part) believe that there is a massive conspiracy of 'haters' and that Troy is one of them
My point is that since nobody is happy with Troy, I think that is a good indicator that he is objective. He praises the Cowboys when it is warranted, which pisses off non-Cowboys fans, and criticizes them when it is warranted, and Cowboys fans get up in arms over that
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Non NFC East fans like his work.
He’s doing something right or he wouldn’t be the #1 color guy for this long.
Wait, wait, wait
You’re going to use as references Eagles fans so xenophobic they don’t think you can root for a team if you live outside the city limits, and Giants fans who actually debate whether Eli is better than his brother?? You might as well ask Terry to objective about Romo or quote Tex on Wade…
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OK, Jets and Pats fans think Troy is a homer also
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OK, now you're jsut making stuff up
Which I applaud. This is a blog, not a coucil of war.
Packers and 9ers fans think Troy is fair and balanced.
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I think Troy is unbiased as they come. We get mad at him and the other teams fans get mad at him.
Thats as close as it gets.
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Honestly
Troy is fair to both sides. That’s a lot coming from a guy who is probably extremely biased towards the Cowboys. Speaks to his professionalism. I’ve never heard him say something derogatory about the Cowboys or their opponents in any of the games he has telecast. In fact he has gone so far as to outline the strengths and weaknesses of both teams and lay out what they need to do to win. Troy’s a great commentator guys.
I think Troy
goes too overboard to be objective… Also, I think his personal feelings about the Cowboys clouds his commentary. For a 1 and 1/2 year period there, I don’t think he respected the leadership of the team and I get the sense he hated TO which seem to come out in his commentary, at least in his attitudes if not in his choice of words.
It’s hard for Moose to be a homer because he never calls Cowboys games. But when I hear him talking about other teams, his observations are very astute and he’s a real professional. Heck, even yesterday on Total Access, you could tell he wanted to rip Eisen a new one for suggesting that the collapse in Minnesota was Free’s fault but he remained calm and with it. I’ve heard Moose gush over the Eagles and other teams of the like… Homers don’t do that (See Irvin, Michael – And I like Mike for that reason… Heh. He’s the one guy who should always be a rabid homer).
Btw
Anyone notice how Irvin always likes to compare three token offensive players (QB, RB and WR) to the Triplets? Hey, look at Atlanta… They’ve got a GREAT set of TRIPLETS. Or look at Minnesota!!! They’ve got a set of TRIPLETS too! Green Bay as well! And the Ravens, too!! ;)
and when Eisen asked Moose if the Cowboys had any weaknesses, Moose said no. The guy is completely in the tank for the Cowboys. Every time he talks about them it is in glowing terms
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Not true...
He used to harp on those guys all of last year… The glowing praise for this team only started to happen after the playoff win. All of the old players are now beginning to sense a maturation in the team.
Also, while Moose did say the above
Is he wrong? I mean, from an objective perspective? Injuries and the depth to be used as a result of these injuries is the only real weakness of this team… But that’s a weakness of every team. On paper, no team is more talented… It’s a question of health and leadership.
Safety, O-line are weaknesses, and kicker is at least a question
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Question not weakness
None of those things has been proven to be a weakness yet. And kicker has proven to be a weakness but Stover’s sitting at home on his A waiting for a job so in a worst case scenario that gets patched up, too. Really, what he said wasn’t so out of the realm of reality… It’s a reasonable opinion. As is yours above… Irvin, oth, when arguing for Dez the other day, came off as a homer…
Irvin is a homer.
He’ll tell you he’s a homer, but he doesn’t do color on the games, so it doesn’t matter.
And, hey, can't we all agree
that J. Buck should be replaced? :)
I hate Joe Frigging Buck
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I actually really like Turkey Neck
Collingworth. Maybe one of the best out there right now.
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It's the turkey neck
he can’t help that. It stretches out all the sounds and makes it come out all whiny.
But he makes great football points without going overboard criticizing players and teams.
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My wife couldn't believe that
Collinsworth and Jaws ever played pro ball.
I agree with you. I think CC is fantastic
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By that standard, no team has a weakness...........yet
None of those things has been proven to be a weakness yet
I doubt that was the spirit of the question.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 30, 2010 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Again, not necessarily...
New guys are starting at those positions… Not the same for other teams. Take, for example, the Eagles… They have a weakness at corner and never addressed it (same corners as last year… Actually, worse with Hobbs filling in for Brown). But, yeah, you are right…I cheated a little bit. If the spirit of the question is “what are the question marks?” then one can look at LT and safety. But keep in mind, Moose seemed to insinuate that he didn’t see those things as real question marks because he thought Free would be fine (“real lunch pale” sorta guy) and Ball would cover better than most.
I didnt respect the leadership of this team at one time either.
Cant hold his feelings about TO against him. He is certainly not alone there. All I know is I see guys ripping him on here for being a “antihomer”, then Ill go to the other site and they are calling him a homer. I think your bar is set rather high.
I like moose as well but like you said, not a big body of work with the Cowboys. I have alway said you shouldnt judge an annoucer when he is calling your home team. We are too biased and if we are losing or its a tight game we generally dislike them all.
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Troy is called a homer
because everything Cowboys is called a homer. One can be an objective fan of the team and still be called a homer… It’s called hate for the franchise. The Cowboys illicit two responses from people: Love and hate. That’s why the 92 team is the #2 all-time hated sports team as per CNNSI’s recent poll…
Which brings me back to Seanrude an I original point.
If everyone is made at you, you either an asshole like Joe Buck or your unbiased.
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No, it doesn't...
Your point would imply causality the other way. Im saying that people hate Troy simply because they remember the 90s team and hate everything to do with the team… It’s an irrational hatred (hey, I have irrational hatred towards some things, just not professional sports teams). You might too if you were on the receiving end of some of the whippings those Cowboys teams put on other teams.
I think Aikman is the type of player that transends most of that hatred.
I hate the Steelers,49ers,Eagles, and Pats but think highly of Joe Green, Joe Montana (he cut my heart out in 81), Westbrook, Brady and Manning. I cant hate those guys because of the type of people they are and their approach to the game.(work ethic) When Im not watching my team, these are the guys I want to watch. I think Aikman has a healthy dose of respect from all fans.
Now guys like Irvin, Newton, E Smith, I agree. The full blown Cowboy hatred is in bloom.
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whoever he was supposed to deliver all of that weed to
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DAMN YOU SEANRUDE!!!
That was my line.
by StillHateTheGiants on Jul 30, 2010 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Not true at all
All of those guys I know who say he is a homer in his broadcasting have immense respect for him as a player. They don’t hate him, they just think he should not be broadcasting Cowboys’ games
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"They don’t hate him, they just think he should not be broadcasting Cowboys’ games"
And there ya go… They already have something against him so he’s already a “homer” before he even talks.
Look, I want to like Troy as a broadcaster but he generally has to overcompensate because of the quote above…
All and all, we’re just both giving our opinions but I’ll stick by mine on this one.
Btw, the level of hatred for Troy is high… No less than it is for any other player of the dynasty. People hate em all…
No, they are basing their opinion after years of him broadcasting Cowboys games
I disagree that Troy is hated. Irvin is hated, but most of my non-Cowboy fan friends always respected and liked Troy.
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I have not done a poll, so it is not scientific, but that has been my experience
Irvin is hated, really hated.
Smith is mocked for his mutilation of the english language
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As a side point
I would argue that Johnston sounds the most intelligent of all of the Cowboys broadcasters… Not sure if he is. Listening to some of these ex-players talk is TOUGH… Total mutiliation of the language!
Irvin does not mutilate the language, but he is always shouting so it is hard to tell
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He worked hard to not mutilate the language.
Irvin spent alot time with speech teachers to learn how to articulate.
They already have something against him so he’s already a "homer" before he even talks.
Troy has been talking for a decade now
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Yes I did
He had some good things to say about our boys and commented that Doug Free looked good in practice this week and I think he also commented about liking Alan Ball
by carolinacowboy on Jul 30, 2010 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I was kind of disappointed that he didn't call B.S.
on Eisen’s assertion that Free was “cake” during the Vikings game.
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I know
Free was put in a bad spot in that game, with little help, I think it was poor gameplan adjusting by our coaching staff
by carolinacowboy on Jul 30, 2010 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions
How can Eisen ever thing straight?
Who are you to claim that you could think straight with Keith Olbermann pumping all that enlightening toothpaste into the back of your throat?
End of Bill draft draught...
had some analysts declaring that Dallas had thin depth. I see a completely and dramaticly different picture myself. This team looks stacked to me…
There is no right way to do the wrong thing. GO COWBOYS!!
I have to agree
with a couple of exceptions like CB and Safety, I think this is a deeper team than we’ve seen in a long time. And it’s because they’ve changed their approach to drafting.
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I think also, thank you Stephen
His prints are probably all over this change as well.
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and Wade Phillips
we’ve gotten some good talent from Phillips time in Dallas. Anthony Spencer, Mike Jenkins, Felix Jones, Marty B (for what its worth), Doug Free.
Its more Dallas’s better Personel Management than any of the coaches though, and Stephen deserves a lot of credit from what I gather for improving our Draft approach
by AustonianAggie on Jul 30, 2010 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions
He'll never get any credit
but I think you are correct. He is a very good judge of talent, especially of defensive players.
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I think Tuna showed Jerry that shooting from the hip
on draft day is not the way to build a team.
I have heard that it began with the scouting team they put together
and some of that started before Parcells. But whatever the cause and effect, I’m ecstatic that they have moved from the Oakland side of the ledger to the Patriots/Colts side.
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That's My Understanding, Too
I think by 2002 Jerry learned humility, and bringing in Parcells was just one step in that maturation process. Parcells improved the drafting, but I’d say it’s gotten even better since he’s left. I believe part of it was improving the scouting department and part of it was listening more to the scouts. The results have been impressive, especially in the later rounds.
Tom Czis- Czs-
Whatever. The head scout man. He has a tremndous reputation and I hope Jerry is paying him too well for him to jump ship and become a GM.
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+1000 Bill gave us a template approach and began the understanding of knowiing what we are looking for.
And because of this approach, we have gotten better at it every year.
I like Stephen Jones and feel the Cowboys are in good shape for years to come but he is no Johnny come lately. He was in on the contract negotiations of Aikman on day one. Steinberg, the agent dujour of that time said Stephen was whip smart. (That he was smart and learned quickly.) Both him and Jerry learned a lot from BP.
Lets just hope that when Jerry passes some form of the Bush tax cuts(ie. no 55% death tax) is in place so Stephen can inherit the team and not go bankrupt with taxes and we can enjoy another 20-30 years of kicking ass.
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Although, moving up to take Dez
shows he still has some of the gun slinger in him. I think it will workout, but a lot of teams passed on him for a reason.
I think they may have passed on him
for no good reason. We’ll see of course, but it’s been my experience that knuckleheads know no season – they show early and often how dumb a man can be. If I had to guess, I’d say teams will be kicking themselves hard for passing on him.
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I just expect for most good/great WRs to have a healthy dose of Diva in them.
Its just part of the package. Their are exceptions like Welker and maybe Hines ward but you could probably name 5 divas to every one of those guys.
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Correct. They usually range from eccentric to douchebag to thug.
As it turns out the understated Marvin Harrison may very well fall under that last category. Guys like Jerry Rice and Tim Brown are exceedingly rare in their approach to the game; business before self-promotion.
Rice was a diva, he would pout with the best of them if he didnt get the ball.
I heard about a study done in the 70s or 80s thet said WRs were the most likely to be the least liked guy on the team. That they were most likely to be the most selfish guy in the locker room.
Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
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Rice's final numbers placate him.
I don’t think he can ever be considered as self-absorbed as other egocentric douchebags. If he thought you weren’t doing a good enough job of getting him the ball maybe he’s right
Have you seen the Snickers commercial?
The guys in the car? THAT’S a diva. Dating hot, famous women does not make you a diva.
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Well I was only reffering
To the other athlete she dated. He who shall never be named in Longhorn Land
Not a catch. His right foot is ON TOP of his left.

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by fan since '65 on Jul 30, 2010 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions
But with patience........
Waited long enough where the cost wasn’t extreme, where maybe a few years ago he would have jumped higher, I think we are learning our draft lessons
by carolinacowboy on Jul 30, 2010 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions
i feel strongly that.....
its still early on in dez maturation as a player here, but i will take that ,, he has shown so far over alot of wr in recent yrs. no doubt he hasa love for the game and wants to do the best he can to become a force, and he didnt grow up with a gold spoon in his mouth, he knows the dificulties that life can bring. i just hope he can stay true to his path and become somthing more than some of the other noted wr… moss ..to..ocho..marshall..and that dude from san diego lol …
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
I'm taking Romo in the first if he's there
Fantasy stats on Romo this year will be huge. We have a running game that will take some away from the stats but I think Romo will be a big producer with his supporting cast. Bring on the Giants! Can’t wait to smash those clowns.
by torchindefenses on Jul 30, 2010 3:53 PM CDT reply actions
Rolled an ankle is all I've heard.
Hope it’s not high ankle.
Its still early in camp he has time to recover before the season begins he just might miss some preseason games
and on the bright side this gives some of the other WR a chance to push RW off the team
I actively recognize my own stupidity, thank you!!!
Yeah that could suck.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
Doesn't look like it.
preliminary diagnosis is ankle sprain, but he apparently came back out on his own power and signed autographs.

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