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Cowboys Training Camp Report: Oxnard Practice #3

Tashard Choice was happy to run the Razorback formation in this morning's practice.

The beginning of the Dallas Cowboys practices at training camp should be re-named the Joe D. Show. The team was in shoulder pads and helmets today and started practice with an extensive session of kickoff returns. Manning the returns were AOA, Cletis Gordon and Teddy Williams. But the real show was special teams coach Joe DeCamillas' exhortations when things go wrong (or sometimes when they go right). On the first play of the session, coach wasn't happy with the effort and screamed "I need some f'ing juice!" without the PG-13 paraphrasing. That got the team's attention. Later, he found a problem with Jesse Holley's effort and when Holley tried to explain his side of things, coach promptly called out "Bulls--t"! On another play, Chris Gronkowski failed to execute, leading to Joe D. yelling "You gonna stand there or are you going to make some contact!" He does compliment the players when they do right, like on a play where Cletis Gordon made a good return, but nothing quite entertains like coach getting on a player. John Garrett also gets on the return guys, though not with quite the same gusto, but did spend time reminding them about carrying the ball "high and tight" and repeating a ball security mantra.

Star-divide

The team broke up into position groups for some light stretching before the team stretch. They immediately went back to position groups and worked on some of the standard drills. Because they were in shoulder pads we got treated to the defensive line and the linebackers popping the sled. Over on the offensive side of the field they were running skeleton plays, including some work on the Razorback formation. This would figure in the later sessions of 11-on-11. The QBs spent some time practicing rolling-out from pressure and throwing on the run while the defensive backs practiced one-hand catches and attacking the ball at the highest point. The outside linebackers got some work in on staying low with the "towel drill".

This morning's practice was much more focused on the run game than passing, including a session of 9-on-9 and even spilling over into the 11-on-11 where most of the plays were runs with a few passes mixed in to keep the defense honest.

First they did 9-on-9 with mismatched offense vs. defense. The first-team offense was usually going against the second and third-team defense, meaning first-team defense usually saw the backups on offense. One player who impressed in this session and later on in 11-on-11 is rookie linebacker Sean Lee. The kid has great instincts for diagnosing the play and shows great closing speed on the ball carrier. I counted three or four runs where Lee read the play and made a move to the ball before things really developed. On a couple of occasions he was picked up by a blocker, he could have done better in shedding the blocks, but the fact that he recognizes things so quickly this early is a promising sign.

The offense got kind of sloppy during the session with a couple of false starts, and the first-team defense was killing the backups on offense. The first-team offense did manage a few good plays where Leonard Davis and Marc Colombo blew open a big hole for Marion Barber, and the offense was also able to score some good runs on counter plays where the defense was over-pursuing. Linebacker Brandon Sharpe got a lot of reps and showed some pretty good ability at stuffing the run. The best collision was a mash-up between Deon Anderson and Sean Lee toward the end of the session.

The team proceeded to a long session of 11-on-11 that ran for the rest of practice. Again, the first units didn't face each other so sometimes it was hard to get a good read. For the most part, the defense was having the better of the day, but since you couldn't actually tackle, and the session was run-heavy, the offense was at a disadvantage because the backs couldn't break tackles. During this session linebacker Leon Williams had a couple of nice plays filling the hole on runs. Also, Sean Lee was around the ball plenty, closing out what was a good practice for him. The QBs were audibling if needed, and Romo got out of a run and hit Miles Austin on a nice pass beating Cletis Gordon. Jon Kitna led Jason Witten on a pass to the sidelines that he caught, then ended up flipping halfway over the fence into the fans, bringing cheers from the crowd.

Following that play, the offense ran the ball and Phil Costa did something to piss Jay Ratliff off, Rat took a mild swing at the rookie after the play and we got a little pushing and shoving between the two but the fracas quickly subsided. Kitna was having a tough day as he dropped a ball in the pocket and had some heavy pressure on a few other plays leading to poor passes. Terence Newman made a couple of nice plays when he read a screen and stopped it, then made a saving tackle on run that Herb Donaldson had broken to the outside. Miles Austin had one drop on an easy pass, but made up for it later by catching three passes toward the end of the session. On a series run by Stephen McGee, linebacker Jason Williams was able to stuff a few runs at the line of scrimmage.

During the second part of the 11-on-11 session the offense ran a few Razorback formations with Tashard Choice handling the QB chores. On one of them, Felix Jones motioned in from a wide position to take a handoff from Choice, he headed around the edge of the line then made a sweet cutback that left Leon Williams and Danny McCray flat-footed, Felix turned it upfield for a big gain. They ran the Razorback a couple of more times, one a direct run up the middle by Choice but Brandon Williams and Sean Lee were not fooled and snuffed it out, and on an outside run Choice found no room.

Other highlights included a Stephen Bowen sack on a stunt up the middle, Gronkowski stoning Bradie James on a blitz, Witten beating Lee and other linebackers on crossing patterns, and a couple of good counter runs by the offense. They tried a formation where Felix lined up wide and came back for a hitch pattern but Kitna overthrew the pass. Herb Donaldson found the turf on a run play where Bradie James broke free and planted the running back on a very aggressive hit for no-tackling rules. And on the last play of the practice, Gerald Sansabaugh made a nice interception on a poor pass from McGee.

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Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-

by squidlo97 on Aug 15, 2010 1:57 PM CDT reply actions  

In the new madden

Im unstoppable with Felix and Tashard in the razorback. Felix being out in slot. I love it and would love to see it more in the regular season.

Great write up. I love Coach D’s fire. Maybe we will see the ball get to midfield more often this year

Really?! Really?!

by thebigham on Aug 15, 2010 1:58 PM CDT reply actions  

Word

I don’t use choice that much (Madden isn’t smart enough to figure out how to rotate a 2 back system much less 3 properly). I agree tho, the Razorback is awesome. I also love the motion handoffs to Williams and Austin. WTB more of those IRL plx.

If Dez is anything like his Madden toon, we’re in for some fun. But the the only hitch to that line of thinking is that #11 is actually a pretty awesome receiver too.

by DaStarShinesBright on Aug 15, 2010 3:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

The cowboys are stacked in madden, love playing as them even won a tourney and plan do to it again. Also this season looks real exciting im banking huge production from felix jones

"Aw Shucks" - Wade Phillips

by MrMinority on Aug 15, 2010 4:56 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

You guys are aware that Madden is all make believe right?

It will have almost nothing to do with how the team plays for real :)

by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 15, 2010 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Coach D is scary in person

I went to my first training camp last week and he was on the players all the time. I understand why people don’t want to disappoint him with their play.

by danielcp0303 on Aug 15, 2010 2:03 PM CDT reply actions  

Do any of the BTB writers talk to Jason Garrett? Dave, Raf, etc???

I’m specifically wondering whether you think that Garrett is aware of this pro-football reference research that suggests that there’s a large compent of luck in interceptions (i.e. the QB only has limited control over whether or not there is an interception). I’d like to think that Dallas is focused on improving things they can control, like getting sacked, and not wasting time on futile efforts to improve things (i.e. interceptions) that they can’t control.

by Fan in Thick and Thin on Aug 15, 2010 2:37 PM CDT reply actions  

I'd Like to Know

Just how hard these guys go at it when they’re just in helmets and shoulder pads as today. It appears it’s full speed save for bringing the ball carrier down.

Are the lineman holding back when they block? Sounds like A. Spenser was going full against Gronkowski when he “stoned” him.

by Jaymanburlington on Aug 15, 2010 2:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Wild Cowboy

I love Tashard Choice but idk why Felix the faster RB doesnt get Wild Cowboy duty
and Sean Lee is gonna be good man, he is really smart has the football IQ I bet Herring loves
too bad Columbo doesnt pancake people in games
I hope I pray he comes around because LT was never my concern, its RT

by ChiaCrack on Aug 15, 2010 3:46 PM CDT reply actions  

Choice is previous experience QB'ing

I believe he was a former QB converted into a HB if memory serves correct.

Not that he ever actually throws the balls from the wildcat… but the threat is always there.

by DaStarShinesBright on Aug 15, 2010 3:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

If anyone has

Experience its felix right? From his college days isn’t that all him and dmac ran? Idk who was in the qb spot though

Really?! Really?!

by thebigham on Aug 15, 2010 3:52 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

McFadden was

AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.

Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.

by Iron Fist on Aug 15, 2010 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

yup

Felix ran the Wildcat a lot in college

"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban

by Longhorn on Aug 15, 2010 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

he's basically the godfather of it

"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban

by Longhorn on Aug 15, 2010 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good news on Costa

 If the guy holds his own with Ratman then it looks bright for the kid. It sounds like he has spunk.

by tattooed cowboy on Aug 15, 2010 4:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Costa?

I know according to Raf he struggled in SA I believe as did most of our 2nd and 3rd string lineman, but if he is improving that can only be a good thing. We shall see, game tape doesn’t lie!

by carolinacowboy on Aug 15, 2010 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate spunk

Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.

by APerfectStar on Aug 16, 2010 7:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm old school.

Fear factor is the style of coaching that works best IMO. Jimmy did it that way and Landry did it in his own way. If you listen to the old Cowboys talk about about Landry, they were scared as hell of him. Randy White talks about Landry’s fear factor style a lot.

Lock n Load

by DIRE WOLF on Aug 15, 2010 5:06 PM CDT reply actions  

What about Wade's style?

We know that the players like it and we have won with it, but do you think we can win a superbowl with it?

by carolinacowboy on Aug 15, 2010 5:21 PM CDT reply actions  

yes

Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK

by HudBaby on Aug 15, 2010 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bill Walsh Won Three Super Bowls

and set up a two-decade dynasty—arguably the greatest since the AFL-NFL merger—with a low-key, instructional coaching style.

by kindablue on Aug 15, 2010 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dick Vermeil and Tony Dungy

Won as well

"Talent is God-given; be humble. Fame is man-given; be grateful. Conceit is self-given; be careful." John Wooden

by 082288 on Aug 15, 2010 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Walsh spoke softly

but his players feared him. He had some of that cold, calculated Tom Landry I’ll-cut-you-with-a-smile-on-my-face style.

by Rafael Vela on Aug 15, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wade is no Walsh

Walsh was a great football coach and a great leader. I can’t do justice to him in a comment. You really need to read up on the guy and watch the tape of him in the film room and practice.

Wade and Walsh are in completely different categories when it comes to leadership. Not even in the same league.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 15, 2010 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

Little good cop, bad cop

Seems that Wade’s style would work better with the established players, while Coach D has a great style for all the new guys he gets to work with in special teams.

Come after my cigars, and we will then be discussing my second amendment rights

by Tom Ryle on Aug 15, 2010 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

You don't need to be mean

but you do need to command respect.

All the names above command respect.

Wade doesn’t command respect from his players.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 15, 2010 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

And yet...

they’ll go to bat for him like they did last season. He may not command it, but he gets it from them.

Rabid and luvin' it

by lonewolfz28 on Aug 15, 2010 8:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1

If they buy into his system and experience success in his system, nobody should worry about Wade’s ability to lead.

If anyone has a question about how much respect Wade has from his players, they should ask the players. I suggest starting with Brooking.

Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.

by APerfectStar on Aug 16, 2010 7:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

How exactly do you know that. I think they think the world of his defensive mind.

I have never seen anything or heard anything that would lead me to believe that.
The fans don’t respect him.

Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-

by squidlo97 on Aug 15, 2010 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

Look at the two coaches in last years Super Bowl

 I don’t think either Sean Payton or Jim Caldwell lead through fear.

"Talent is God-given; be humble. Fame is man-given; be grateful. Conceit is self-given; be careful." John Wooden

by 082288 on Aug 15, 2010 6:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Payton is tough

I love Sean Payton, I think he is an amazing coach. If a player screws up he is not hesitant in going up to him and telling him that he screwed up. He celebrates the good plays with his team, but he also holds players accountable for their mistakes.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 15, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

How is that different than all other coaches?

Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.

by APerfectStar on Aug 16, 2010 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions  

Espn Dallas is reporting that Marty B is practicing

and looks smooth in his routes and cuts

"Talent is God-given; be humble. Fame is man-given; be grateful. Conceit is self-given; be careful." John Wooden

by 082288 on Aug 15, 2010 6:26 PM CDT reply actions  

Sounds like Austin is having a rough day

3 drops in the morning session and one more in the afternoon session

"Talent is God-given; be humble. Fame is man-given; be grateful. Conceit is self-given; be careful." John Wooden

by 082288 on Aug 15, 2010 6:29 PM CDT reply actions  

Columbo carted off the field

"Talent is God-given; be humble. Fame is man-given; be grateful. Conceit is self-given; be careful." John Wooden

by 082288 on Aug 15, 2010 7:06 PM CDT reply actions  

right Knee

MRI up-coming

"Talent is God-given; be humble. Fame is man-given; be grateful. Conceit is self-given; be careful." John Wooden

by 082288 on Aug 15, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Where is the source link to this news?

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Aug 15, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=5431920

"Talent is God-given; be humble. Fame is man-given; be grateful. Conceit is self-given; be careful." John Wooden

by 082288 on Aug 15, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Twitter
calvinwatkins:
Marc Colombo has been carted off. [via Twitter]
Sunday August 15, 2010 7:04 calvinwatkins
7:09

Twitter
calvinwatkins:
Marc Colombo has right knee injury. He hurt it in afternoon practice. He’s getting MRI. [via Twitter]
Sunday August 15, 2010 7:09 calvinwatkins
7:11

Twitter
espn_macmahon:
Marc Colombo has right knee injury. He hurt it in afternoon practice. He’s getting MRI. (via @calvinwatkins) [via Twitter]

"Talent is God-given; be humble. Fame is man-given; be grateful. Conceit is self-given; be careful." John Wooden

by 082288 on Aug 15, 2010 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks.

Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!

by cowboy78 on Aug 15, 2010 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Our O-Line

is the one place where we can’t sustain injures.

Let’s hope it’s not serious.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 15, 2010 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

ouch another injury..

i sure hope we dont lose Colombo for any length of time, that could be trouble.

Move Over Sweetness, Make A Place For Emmitt!

by Va_Cowboy_Fan on Aug 15, 2010 7:17 PM CDT reply actions  

Baron?

"Talent is God-given; be humble. Fame is man-given; be grateful. Conceit is self-given; be careful." John Wooden

by 082288 on Aug 15, 2010 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Columbo Injury a Sprain Or Tear?

Pray this is a sprain, and minor.. but can’t know until the MRI results are in. Barron will have to heal ankle to be ready to practice.

Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes the rules.

by 1Bullseye on Aug 15, 2010 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

I do not think they know at this point

It is serious enough that they are doing an MRI.

ESPN Dallas said it did not look serious but then mentioned Phillips and as we know he is gone for the year.

"Talent is God-given; be humble. Fame is man-given; be grateful. Conceit is self-given; be careful." John Wooden

by 082288 on Aug 15, 2010 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

which knee did he injure with chicago...

before we picked him up and he resurrected his career? is it the same knee?

and last year wasn’t a knee, right? ankle/foot sprain?

Pirates Vs. Ninjas? Psh......Cowboys, baby.

by oneinsider on Aug 15, 2010 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think I read that he

dislocated his left knee cap. I am not not sure how accurate that was. I Also believe that he broke his leg last year.

"Talent is God-given; be humble. Fame is man-given; be grateful. Conceit is self-given; be careful." John Wooden

by 082288 on Aug 15, 2010 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

sorry Knee cap in Chicago

"Talent is God-given; be humble. Fame is man-given; be grateful. Conceit is self-given; be careful." John Wooden

by 082288 on Aug 15, 2010 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Uh, he did a lot worse in Chicago

dislocated the knee, tore a couple of knee ligaments. If he broke the kneecap on top of that I believe it.

His knee was described as having endured a bad car accident.

by Rafael Vela on Aug 15, 2010 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

time to trade for Jared Gaither if this is serious

i know Gaither has a tear of his own, but i read it would only keep him out for 2 weeks into the season

"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban

by Longhorn on Aug 15, 2010 7:48 PM CDT reply actions  

I disagree

1. You’re trading for damaged goods.
2. You’re trading for damaged good who are in the last year of a contract and want a huge extension.
3. You’re likely trading a very high pick in a year with a strong OL crop coming out, so you could be forfeiting adding a comparable or better lineman than Gaither for a lot less money.

You never move out of desperation.

See Williams, Roy for the most recent example.

by Rafael Vela on Aug 15, 2010 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed... If something bad happens *crosses fingers*

then Barron needs to step up and one of the RT prospects needs to develop into a legitimate player…

by CowboyMA on Aug 15, 2010 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll Just Wait Until After

After the funeral. Not giving up on Columbo yet.

Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes the rules.

by 1Bullseye on Aug 15, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

OL Help

I am concerned about our OL. I am hoping our scouts are looking for a decent 2nd teamer that may be cut from another team. We have several of our players where we are deep that will be picked up by other teams. (possible: hurd, holley, watkins, cricket, mccray, etc). I think Barron, Costa and Young sound like keepers, but I hope we can upgrade Brewster/Bright.

I agree with not picking up Gaither unless Baltimore gives us a great deal for him due to the injury, coming to camp 25 pounds lighter, most likely losing his starting job and it being the last year in his deal. But I doubt that would happen.

by Ryan from DC on Aug 15, 2010 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Come to think of it

Baltimore is REALLY needing help in the secondary — they considered K. Hamlin an upgrade. Maybe they’d be interested in some of our corners that most of us were considering for PS anyway.

Football is an incredible game. Sometimes it's so incredible, it's unbelievable. --
Tom Landry

by Pnut Gallery on Aug 16, 2010 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I Completely Agree

Never sacrifice the long-term to patch a hole in the short term. If Colombo is lost and we have to get by this year with Barron or Brewster, grin and bear it. We draft too well to toss away a precious pick for a mediocre short-term fix.

by kindablue on Aug 15, 2010 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

We don't draft O-linemen well

The one position we are terrible at is O-linemen.

We have drafted something like 11 O-linemen between 2002-2009

Let’s give Brewster an incomplete… Gurode stuck, Free stuck. Everyone else is gone. 2-for-10 is pretty bad.

by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 15, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's because Parcells is an idiot

"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban

by Longhorn on Aug 15, 2010 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

We didnt pick them very good before he got here(after Jimmy) and we really have done any better since he left.

Seems to be more of an organizational thing.

Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-

by squidlo97 on Aug 15, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

thats tough

its not like we’ve taken enough highly touted olineman under Wade/Garrett to say we don’t draft well.

by foyesboys on Aug 15, 2010 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions  

+1 but I didn't want to get into " why don't we draft them higher, or Jerry is an idiot"

Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-

by squidlo97 on Aug 16, 2010 8:47 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

huh

Baltimore, who during the offseason WANTED to get rid of Gaither, will ask for a ‘very high pick’ knowing he’s hurt? that’s interesting.

"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban

by Longhorn on Aug 15, 2010 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

they were asking for a 1 or 2 when they "wanted to get rid of him"

what makes you think they’ll lower the price for a team they’ll know is coming to them out of desperation?

by Rafael Vela on Aug 15, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions  

'cause people now know he has a torn muscle in his back

"what I have learned in 11 years in the sports business is that the dumbest guys in the room are always the media guys." - mark cuban

by Longhorn on Aug 15, 2010 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

muscles heal

again, if Baltimore was asking for a high pick, why would they drop the price now, if they know he’ll be healthy again soon?

by Rafael Vela on Aug 15, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thought you said he would be back in 2 weeks. Thats not serious.

No good deal has ever been made out of necessity- Ben Franklin over 200 years ago.

Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-

by squidlo97 on Aug 15, 2010 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry that may have been Jefferson.

Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-

by squidlo97 on Aug 15, 2010 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

If There's Any Consolation to the Colombo Injury

I would much rather take my chances with Barron and Brewster this season, than going most of a season with Rob Petitti and Torrin Tucker, as we did five years ago.

by kindablue on Aug 15, 2010 8:05 PM CDT reply actions  

*Crosses fingers and prays to the football lords*

Please don’t give the Cowboys any more injuries!!!

by CowboyMA on Aug 15, 2010 8:07 PM CDT reply actions  

JJ said Columbo is heading to surgery

"Talent is God-given; be humble. Fame is man-given; be grateful. Conceit is self-given; be careful." John Wooden

by 082288 on Aug 15, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions  

here is the link

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/08/marc-colombo-to-have-mri-on-ri.html

Scope does not sad as bad was a torn ACL. Guess we will have to wait , pray and hope

"Talent is God-given; be humble. Fame is man-given; be grateful. Conceit is self-given; be careful." John Wooden

by 082288 on Aug 15, 2010 8:14 PM CDT reply actions  

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