Roy Williams is Having a Bad Camp
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 21, 2010 11:18 AM CDT
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I've been hearing nonsense about Williams having a good camp because on a couple days he's managed to actually haul in a few balls and not drop them all. Let me read a report from a practice
"Today the two players fighting for the 4th cornerback spot came up with three interceptions in camp. Rookie Cornerback Bryan McCann had two interceptions in the day's practices. McCann got in front of a Stephen McGee pass to Roy Williams. He then ripped away a Tony Romo throw for Roy Williams, getting his feet down before tumbling to the sidelines. In the afternoon, Cletis Gordon intercepted a Tony Romo pass, stepping in front of Roy Williams."
In the Raiders game, Williams was targeted twice for zero completions and Nnamdi Asomugha probobly should have come down with both of the balls that went his way.
In all the excitement around McCann and Gordon for who could be our 4th cornerback people forgot to ask, "wait a second, who is it they're getting interceptions on?"
In the Raiders game, there was a lot of focus on the O-line but people forgot to ask, "if they're coverage sacks, who was it out in patern that couldn't get open for Tony?"
Roy is having a bad camp, a bad preseason, and we are in store for another bad season.
Get healthy fast Dez.
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Your looking at the numbers not the whole picture
Roy broke up one bad pass to keep it from getting intercepted, plus it is Nnamdi Asomugha why is he not on Miles in the first place?
In the Raiders game Roy was targeted twice for zero completions! Oh my god no were doooooonmed!!!!! As mentioned before he made a good play on one of those to keep the ball from getting intercepted, and I know if Romo had made a good throw under pressure Roy beat his man in Cincy for a TD but the throw was way off.
The above tells me McGee is struggling not Roy.
This hyperbowl at its best.
Please please please
Stop giving Roy Williams credit for knocking out a ball of a route he couldn’t get open on.
The media, and many commentators, act like he had the David Tyree 4th quarter 3rd down “helmet catch”.
Unless we plan on moving him to defensive back his ability to defend passes shouldn’t be how we grade out his ability to produce for this team in 2010. We should probobly evaluate his ability to get open on routes and catch the football.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 21, 2010 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Hey, that just might be weird enough to work.
Converting receiver Roy to play safety like the old Roy.
Do you know whats more annoying than reading and listening to media who dont know anything but are actually at practice telling us who is good and having a good camp or bad camp?
Its the guy popping off about who is having a good camp or bad camp using the knowledge he got from the first group.
I like your posts and you seem pretty sharp but doing post like this will ruin your credibility in hurry.
The only thing I got from the post is the QB is making bad throws.
Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-
The QB making bad throws?
Was it a bad throw to Roy Williams that ended Tony Romo’s consecutive no-interception streak last season against the Redskins?
If it’s bad throws then the INTs would be spread out across the field to all the recivers. There’s no reason Tony would be terrible throwing to Roy and perfect to Austin.
One name keeps coming up over and over again in all these reports.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 21, 2010 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
You have to go to last season to defend your stance whether he is having a good camp this year
This is weak.
Roy is to blame for 80% of what went wrong last year but Romo is not off of the hook. It takes 2 people to be successful. Romo missed him a lot last year and he missed him in the end zone against Cincy
The problem is you got a hard on for Roy, took some reports from this year and twisted them til they said what you wanted. Problem is you didnt do that well eother cause to me it looked like the QBs fault. Not to mention you reaching deep up your a&& when you use McGee to make your point.
Next thing your gonna tell me is McGee is gonna be cut because of Roy.
Talk about something where your not obviously biased.
Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-
Lets not act like Romo has never thrown an INT going towards Austin.
He threw towards Austin in Denver and got picked off by Champ Bailey.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
Your critics have valid points
But they may be forgetting we have a year and a half to go on now.
I’ll wait for real games to begin to be 100% sure, but have no doubt really that you are on the right track.
Why anyone would suddenly think this guy’s going to perform is crazy. That would be the unlikely scenario.
I think Bryant will supplant him by the 6th or 7th week, and I’m not even the Dez Homer most here are.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
I dunno about that
by all accounts, Roy looks a lot better coming out of his breaks… He’s getting clear seperation from CBs like Newman and Jenkins. That’s reason for some optimism. The big problem is that he and Romo still seem out of sync in the preseason games…
Your lost. His article said Roy was having a bad camp. He has no proof other than writers we dont hold in high regard.
Even then he has to twisted it up and speculate.
To think he will be better this year isnt much of a stretch.
I think Dez will surplant him too. Geez Larry way to go out on a limb. Cant get nothing by you.
Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-
To Both of you guys
We heard that ALL CAMP last year too!
What is it that makes you think something is going to change after 20+ games????
The burden of proof is on you, not the doubters.
Who gives a crap about “reports from camp” by the way. Interpret them any you want, they’re useless.
Let’s check in and see how this guy is doing after 6 games or so.
Here’s his line from last year, in case you’ve forgotten it:
15 Games, 38 receptions. 2.5 catches a game.
What a st (D) ud.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Aug 21, 2010 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I didnt say nothing about what he would or wouldnt do.
I said this piece was was dumb.
Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-
By saying "you're lost" to my comment
you were implying you thought he’d do better.
To just say nothing and have no prediction at all-then why respond so sarcastically?
Go back to my 1st comment and tell me anything that required such a response.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Aug 21, 2010 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions
No I wasnt. I was implying this was a hit piece written by a guy who obviously dislikes Roy.
I said your were lost cause you didnt read his piece very well.
Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-
I read it just fine, professor-I had a reply that added a larger context to it
I think you’re just biased and read into it what you wanted.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Aug 22, 2010 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions
I dont give a crap one way or another. I get tired of people taking things to a personal level on people they dont even know.
Please tell me, since your a teacher, exactly how can you make a point on a guy that you have seen may 1% of the plays(2 preseason games) he has played this TC. Tell me how, when an INT was thrown in a practice that you didnt see, that you know it was RWs fault.
The professor here cant figure that out.
Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-
wow
I was going to respond, but never mind.
I didn’t ‘pop off’ or ’ get personal’, you did., you did.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Aug 23, 2010 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions
What ever, your too smart for me. I cant tell from a newspaper article
that an interception thrown was a WRs fault without actually seeing the pass.
The personal level comment wasnt about me and you. Its about bloggers in general who for whatever reason allow their dislike of a player to become personal. I dont understand how a player can become hated to the point that all logic goes out the door.
Roy wont be with us next year in all probability, but this year he is clearly needed and no lower than 4th option.. Thats if you put Dez and Crayton in front of him.
Dez is a rookie, plus what others completely overlook is he has never had to play 16 to 20 games in one year. There is a big rookie wall even for those who beat all odds and star as rookies. To me it is completely foolish to drop this(RW) guy this year. I just want what we got out of him last year. Im not looking for the RW revival. I just need him to be a solid 2nd or 3rd option.
Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-
that's more constructive!
In y first comment, I didn’t support his camp analysis.
I said, " Your critics have valid points,’ which is quite the opposite.
Overall, though based on what we’ve seen so far, getting much from RW this year is unlikely.
A halfway decent #3? Sure.
As for Dez, as I said, I’m not a Dez Homer. I feel the same as you. BUT, though I feel that way, I feel so poorly abour Roy Williams I think even an untested rookie will be better than him at some point this year.
All of which means, we’re not really that far apart. and if I’m so close to you, I can’t be ‘lost’, can I !?
Let’s agree that we’re waiting for the season, and hoping the Cowboys don’t stumble out of the gate, and kick some Butt in a few weeks!
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Aug 24, 2010 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually,
I’m chilling right now, not really feeling the burden of anything. I, too, did not make any predictions… Just stated that things have looked better at camp this year (as per the opinions of the paid bloggers and people who have attended),. Will that translate on to the field? Who knows but it’s not crazy to think it might… A full blown 100% expectation, tough, would be crazy given what we’ve seen from Roy.
For the record, Roy never worked on getting down lower in his stance before this camp. I think that if Roy could get more seperation, he could certainly be a better receiver.
That's fine, but go back and read my original post and your response.
Sure sounds like you predicted good things “optimism”, “looks better coming out of his breaks” ,
“clear separation”
Otherwise, why did you respond to my comment?
You did say he seemed ‘out of sync’,
so maybe in the end you’re like me waiting to see.
Except, I expect nothing and will be shocked if he plays well, whereas you are maybe 50/50 hoping for it.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Aug 21, 2010 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions
It's just wait and see for me
I encourage others to do the same thing…
I did say "Your critics have valid points"
And “I’ll wait for real games”
But I’m ‘lost’?
There is no reason to think he’ll be better than this year, period. To think he will is overoptimism and homerism. He didn’t come in as a raw rookie. He has no “upside.”
If he hasn’t gotten it together in 1 1/2 years, no reason to assume he will now.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Aug 21, 2010 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Show me where I made any predictions on what Roy would do.
I did state, in replying to you, I thought he would do better but that was my way of saying it would be hard for him to do any worse.
The media said him and Roy were doing better this TC. This guy said he wasnt and used interceptions by the QB and blamed them on Roy. Interceptions he read about and blamed on Roy.
The worse part of it all is, you actually give it creditibility.
Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-
Oops, my reply above was supposed to go here.
Oh well.
Anyways, no I didn’t give the poster any credibility.
I gave RW’s year and a half of objective performance credibility.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Aug 21, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Thats nnot what the piece was about. It was No Roy is having a bad camp and these interceptions by the QB prove it.
Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-
wow, I'll have to go back through all the threads on this site
and make sure the police have made sure every response stays 100% on exactly what the poster started with.
Because that never happens, right Chief?
Geez. Srry for adding some well-thought context to the piece.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Aug 22, 2010 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Well thought out?! If your gonna pop off then know what your talking about.
I never commented on here about another thread. Thats for guys like you that dont really have a point. Right Chief?
Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-
The only thing I'm critical of is...
why go out of your way to make a Roy Williams sucks post?
It would be like me making a fanpost entitled “Dallas’s logo is a star.”
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
Exactly
At this point, it’s a question of what we can salvage from that disastrous trade and contract.
by East Bay Ray on Aug 21, 2010 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
The Reason for the Post
Is that some members of the media have Iron Fist’s perspective and therefore treat even mediocre play during practice as a surprising revelation. Then that media plays up a story of “Hey, Roy just had a good practice, he only had one drop!”
There’s a simmering sentiment in some corners that Roy might even be having a good camp.
I made this post to refute that viewpoint with the evidence that I have seen which leads me to believe that Roy is having a bad camp.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 21, 2010 7:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmmm
Its not a point of good or bad, he’s inconsistent.
I don’t think anyone has said that he’s lights out day in and day out. He has enough talent that he’ll look good now and then, but you can’t count on him.
Even if you were doing that, you are basing it off of a few plays. You can find some bad plays on every player except maybe a few in the whole camp.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
Let's just forget about the interceptions thrown that were intended for the other receivers.
These quarterbacks are tossing over 60 passes total every day. Some of it’s 7 on 7, some of it’s just WR vs. DB, some of it’s 11 vs 11.
They’re also working on new formations, new routes, working on everything. Then you have young DBs who are playing aggressive, trying to make plays to stand out.
This argument is ridiculous. I’m sorry, but it’s ridiculous.
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agreed
its one thing to doubt he will do it in the regular season, but this argument is seriously flawed. Hes taking a few plays out of MANY during training camp, and throwing all the blame on Roy.
I’m not really a believer that Roy will be the receiver we want him to be, but this post seems unnecessarily hateful to me.
How is Roy's Blocking?
That is the best part of his game
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is it tiring to constantly monitor BTB to make sure you catch every RW post and add a joke about his blocking?
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Aug 22, 2010 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions
not in the least, it keeps me young
Frankly, I have been slacking as of late. Lots of Roy posts, not as many comments from me on his blocking prowess
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yawn.
We see/hear/believe what we want to see/hear/believe. Especially when it comes to reports from training camps.
by greatwhitenorth on Aug 21, 2010 4:03 PM CDT reply actions
Is this really worth a fanpost?
I’m not a Roy Williams fan by any means, but do we really need another Roy Williams sucks post?
Certainly one that seems VERY subjective. You take an entire camp report and you are going to get positive and negative reports on everyone.
Roy did make a big 3rd down catch against Cincy and has had good days of practice. Should I make an entire fanpost and overreact in a positive way?
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
i was ready to throw some arguments
not exactly in roy’s favor but to point the low quality of arguments on the post but why i even bother?
I'll tell you what really sucks about Roy.
Even if he had a 1,050, 10-TD season you still wouldn’t be able to find a sucker to take him off the Cowboys for even a 4th-rounder considering that all Holmes fetched was a 5th.
actually from what i gathered
the reason Holmes only went for a 5th rounder was because his off the field stuff plus not to mention he was facing a suspension. If Williams had a year like that you could probably get a 3-4 rounder for him at least. he has always been a pretty good teammate unlike certain other recievers who feel the need to throw their team under a bus
by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Aug 22, 2010 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions
I couldn't see the full title on my monitor
I scrolled over expecting the “ca” to be the intro to “career”.
Roy's a bust
williams was brought in to help with a spotty wr core….he has shown the same lackluster preformance he did in detroit…get rid of him and rely on dez..he will be a better compliment to the team with romo being hit and miss as usual.
D.
But Roy is not going anywhere
Come on, are there six receivers in camp that are better than Roy? I don’t think so. He is going to be on the team, and the question is whether he is #2 or #3. That is reality, so I am going to hope he has a really good season (and I would take 800 yds and 6 to 8 TDs and call that good, as long as he does not have the drops).
The new mantra: No more injuries. No more injuries. Everybody now: NO MORE INJURIES!
For Those of Us
Who have actually watched camp. Roy has dropped less balls than Miles Austin. I have been to every single practice since OTAs in Valley Ranch…Roy has come a long way since then and has had an excellent camp. I will say that McGee throws a bunch of interceptions in practice…that should not be on Roy.
We are going to need him to step up in the games now, I believe he will.
Joseph O. Garcia
I will say his route running is a bit sketchy though...
Which makes it difficult to tell if it is his fault or the QBs…
Joseph O. Garcia
by JGsportsguy on Aug 27, 2010 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions
He's not getting open
That’s why DBs are breaking on the ball.
I’m more concerned about forcing the ball to a guy that can’t get open (everything old is new again; See: Owens 2008)
Roy’s problems extend beyond merely leading the league in drops. He struggles to get open, he aligator-arms passes so he doesn’t get near them, he runs the wrong route. And we’ve seen it all in the pre-season and we’ve been hearing enough about it in training camp. The “Summer of Roy Williams Turning it Around” is working about as well as Obama’s “Summer of Economic Recovery” press junket.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 27, 2010 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dude, I have to rec'd that for both the RW insight
and the political!
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Aug 27, 2010 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
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