Cowboys Dress Rehearsal A Flop; Lose To Texans 23-7
by Dave Halprin on Aug 29, 2010 7:46 AM CDT
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About the only good thing you can say about the Dallas Cowboys embarrassing loss to the Houston Texans was that it was a pre-season game. The Cowboys looked like a team that awoke from a 20-year coma five minutes before the game, the Texans looked like a team that had been chomping at the bit to play the game for the whole week. This being the pre-season, it's easy to say it doesn't matter and to a large extent that's true. Nobody remembers these games once the real thing begins, and as is customary the Cowboys worked from the most vanilla of playbooks. So we can hold off on pulling the rip cord on the parachute for now.
But we can't really wash away the stink that was the Cowboys on Saturday night. Not being ready to play in their supposed dress rehearsal - the sloppy ball-handling, the missed tackles, the inability to get in and out of the huddle in proper formations - all of this suggests that Dallas has plenty of work to do between now and the season opener. It's been a long training camp and the fact they had just broken camp was a factor, but let's not use it as an excuse. This was a poor display of professional football, and the team knows it. So bad, in fact, that there are suggestions the regulars may play in the final pre-season game against the Dolphins.
Most worrisome has been the Cowboys inability to assemble anything that resembles a running game. Sure, they were playing with a makeshift line, but in the NFL injuries happen. The Cowboys ground game has ground to a halt. They've become one-dimensional in the pre-season and that hasn't been good for Tony Romo's health. The Texans front seven spent some quality time with Romo, grabbing a few sacks and knocking him down to the point were getting him out of the game was becoming a decision of medical importance. About the only bright spot offensively was that Roy Williams actually got involved in the game and caught some passes.
The Cowboys offense played hot potato with the football, a mis-communication on a pitch play to Felix Jones wiped out one of their only good drives of the night, Romo also had to scoop up a bad snap and later put the ball on the turf when Dallas was making another charge for the endzone. That series was ultimately snuffed by a tipped pass that turned into a Texans interception. Given the injuries on the offensive line, it would be easy to put the blame on the replacements. But Andre Gurode gave up a sack on a straight rush, Doug Free picked up a holding penalty that was declined, and the line blew the blocking assignments on several blitzes.
In short, the Cowboys offense was simply horrendous. Only a Jon Kitna to Kevin Ogletree touchdown late in the game saved them from a total embarrassment.
The defense, who has been the steadier of the two units in the exhibition games, was also undone in the dress rehearsal. It has to be said that they didn't play any of their specialty packages and Matt Schaub and the Texans' offense took advantage of that. But vanilla formations can't account for the numerous missed tackles against the Texans running game. The Cowboys were extremely sloppy in that area. And formations and play-calling weren't the problem when safety Alan Ball was faked out of his jock on the Texans first touchdown. For a couple of weeks in a row, opposing teams have been able to run on the Cowboys defense, something that usually doesn't happen. It wasn't only missed tackles, it was losing the battle at the point of attack. The Texans offensive line was throwing around Cowboys defenders like rag dolls.
Okay, so the Cowboys got thoroughly whipped by the Houston Texans. It was a shambles of a game from the Cowboys perspective. Wade Phillips did what he always does, he tried to protect the players by saying they didn't game plan for the game, they didn't make any adjustments and tried to take responsibility for their play. I'm sure the players appreciate that, but they know what happened, They were not ready to play football, even pre-season football. They looked indifferent, they looked tired, they looked like a team that had their mind on anything else except this game.
They don't get a free pass, there was too much failure in just the basics of football to excuse it. But it is the pre-season, so the panic button can remain un-pushed - for now.
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Looked like somebody's been eating some cheese.
I’m not surprised Wade was protecting the team, but Jerry said in the pre-game show that they did put some things in for Houston and they expected to perform better than they have previously.
Houston was evidently making up for looking the week before like we did last night.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
The texans game planned this game
when Schaub was asked how thay had so much success he said " we executed the gameplan"
I wish I had this game recorded, I would really love to see it again.
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 29, 2010 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions
Not me. Once was enough.
Game plan or not, our line(s) got whipped. We looked like we were at 3/4 speed.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
Many
looked like they a spot locked up and just walked through. I’m not worried but not happy either. Hello by the way; new to this. Lovin the boys from the True North for over 40yrs.
Even if he asks you nicely, don't
sit on Uncle Montecito’s lap. He’s sorta creepy…
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
NFL network will replay the game....
Mon. Aug 30th at 1pm west coast.
Wade Phillips first Super Bowl win is as the Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys!!!
by NVCowboy4Life on Aug 29, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
I pointed that out to my wife after the game that he said they “executed the gameplan” then really needed a strong showing after then NO game the prev week….
dont worry we will get our shot at them again
"My days of not taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle"
Good synopsis
That was embarrassing. And I think they were humbled. Somewhat like the Minny game. All the Super Bowl talk is quiet. And thats probably a good thing.
But wow, I was surprised at how we were manhandled at the point of attack on both sides of the ball. Thats the most discouraging part of this game.
I concur
The D-line consistently got pushed back. More troubling to me though is that for several years now, the O-line is not able to get a push. In the Texans game I don’t think I saw a single play where our O-line won the battle. This does not bode well for the rest of the season without the Romo heroics we’ve come to rely on. We absolutely need to be able to get 2 yards on a 3rd down running play withOUT using some trick play. I’m not a big Parcells fan, but I can just imagine 2 solid hours of practice running the same exact play until the O gets 2 yards consistently.
That's what I would have them do, but
unfortunately I am not the coach, and I can’t (and neither can Phillips) make them take personal responsibility for getting thrashed on National T.V. I already have e-mails from my associate who is a Giants fan. “At least we could run the ball? Did you see Brandon Jacobs plow them down?”. Argghhhhhhh.
If I should die before I wake,
feed Jake.
I agree that's it pre-season...................
…….and for that reason we should try and temper the reactions a little. A LITTLE! But come on, this is an abortion on both sides of the ball. All camp long we heard how dominant the D was, well, against this offense I have no doubt that thye looked great. Who wouldn’t look good against them. As for the D, they’ve esssentially been manhandled the last 2 games so any good vibes the’ve built up is being rapidly frittered away. Schemes make a difference, on both sides of the ball, I get that, but when you’re being beaten one on one, that is not a scheme issue.
"I just wrote the check, it's up to you guys to cash it!" - Jimmy Johnson to defense after failed attempt on 4th down deep inside Cowboy territory. AND THEY DID!!!!
Gameplanning has nothing to do with
Our D-Line getting knocked 3 yards off the ball on every play and the jailbreak through our O-Line on every play. And that is the thing that concerns me most.
There will be times when an offense goes to 3 wide against our base defense. The players still have to execute.
wade said they went 4 wide with a TE
so it was really five wide, and we stayed in base,
He also said we showed no blitzes,
He also said Schaub knew what we were going to run on every play because we ran the base defense the whole game.
I wonder if base is two gap responsibilty, which could get you pushed back
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 29, 2010 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I noticed this too
I have no idea what we were doing – it seemed like we stayed in our base D against formations we didn’t have a chance to stop. It led to secondary players playing off the ball. And the way to stop them would be to blitz, and we didn’t do much of that either
Aside from the Dline’s play in run containment, I’m not too worried about the D – that was nothing like the D we’ll see in a couple weeks.
I said the same last week and people berated me...
interesting.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I only wish we could have made it a closer game
Switched over and watched Randy Couture defeat James Toney in 3 minutes, compared to the Boys-Texans that fight was competitive.
close but disagree, at least kitna scored
Toney didnt land anything and was dominated worse…….not that it makes it any better. I really dont know what to think about the cowboys right now. I know the fact that they play them again in about 4 weeks has something to do with it, but I am not sure how much. I get to hear texannes fans for another 4 weeks act like they won the superbowl, grrrrrrreeeeeeaaaaat!
what will they do with the other
14 minutes and 56 seconds
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 29, 2010 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions
thank God we got that extra week preseason
maybe Jerry should lobby for an even longer preseason say 15 weeks preseason followed by a 3 week season? that way when we lose we can say thank God it`s only preseason.
Over under? Boys win 6 games this yr?
Yeah, I'm looking at 8-8 as the worst case scenario
Problem is that right now the worst case scenario looks like the likely case scenario. I’m just a little worried.
You can do a lot of things in life. You can't stab a teammate with a pair of scissors. - Kevin Smith
way over....
Davie Wilson
how bout them cowboys!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Aug 29, 2010 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions
Ha
As mad as I am about the game… I still think they win over 6 games pretty easily. That would be a huge disappointment.
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Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
The more things change the more they stay the same....
I am not going to get too worked up because its preseason. But two things still drive me crazy about Romo even though I am a fan of his.
1) Constantly bringing the play clock down to zero when in the shotgun. It gives the defense a way easier time of getting off the ball. Houston was way quicker off the ball than we were.
2) Throw away the Peyton Manning tapes already…with all changes and communication at the line we get easily confused, especially on the road when its loud…..causing those dumb ass timeouts on first and second down!!!! Let Gurode or whoever do his job, find the MIKE and run the f..king play.
Both of these are related and something needs to get better so our line can have confidence they know when the snap is supposed to be and get of the ball without looking scared. Because they looked scared last night…and it sucked.
"How bout them Cowboys!"
Romo addressed this in his presser after the game,
said they are going to change how they comunicate at the line.
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 29, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
listen to Hatcher at 1:40 in this post game presser
http://www.dallascowboys.com/multimedia/multimedia_center.cfm?start=9&cat=0
“it was a weird, weird scheme tonight”
Hatcher talking about the defensive scheme.
I find this intresting.
It was a weird weird scheme
Because the Cowboys were executing poorly. The players have to know the coaches are not tipping their hand.
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by accidental innuendo on Aug 29, 2010 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions
thats not what I take out of his comment
add to that Wade saying they stayed in base on 5 wide and you cnat cover five wide in base seems to tell me not to belive what I think I see
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 29, 2010 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe I'll cover my bases this way
The Texans, players and coaches, came to play. The Cowboys would rather have been on vacation.
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by accidental innuendo on Aug 29, 2010 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't think so
You may be a very disappointed fan come week 6.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
that's why this game means nothing
are you telling me rams will be a better team than the patriots and that indianapolis defense will take 60 points every game on regular season? don’t panic, i’ve got some concern with the o-line but really i don’t get all that panic
Sounded awful
I just caught the hi- er low-lights. I know that everyone looked bad, but life in the NFL begins up front and I don’t like hearing about the line, like Gurode being whipped. They have enough issues with Davis and maybe Colombo without Gurode starting to go all wobbly (or more wobbly, or wobblier or well, whatever). I hope I’m not actually seeing a Ferrari drive train on a Pinto chassis….
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
The play I remember Gurode getting beat on was
A texan split a double team between him and Holland
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 29, 2010 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Straight up as well...
I saw at least two plays he was beaten straight up. Looked like part of this was because Houston was getting off the ball right at zero. Gurode wasn’t able to get his snap arm up and get any leverage, barely even slowed the rusher down.
I thought Gurode declined a bit last year….hope this isn’t a trend. Good news was that I didn’t see Barron or Free get beat, most of the pressure was inside. But I could be wrong there because I was keeping a close eye on the interior.
"How bout them Cowboys!"
man I wish I could watch this game again :(
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 29, 2010 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions
NFL Network?
Don’t they usually replay all the games…I expect it will be on something this week. Just bring your barf bag!
"How bout them Cowboys!"
The replay is scheduled for Monday...
I am on the West Coast and it is 1:00 p.m. our time on NFL Network.
Monday 3pm NFL network
Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-
by squidlo97 on Aug 29, 2010 10:32 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Bad Clock Management
If you let the 25sec clock run down to 0 on every snap,it is a pretty good guess when it will get snapped.D-Line get the jump,O-Line left to watch them go by.
Wade Phillips first Super Bowl win is as the Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys!!!
by NVCowboy4Life on Aug 29, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Dallas had the same problem the first part of last season
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the line is a huge gigantic even further growing concern....
the interior was just brutal yesterday. like really bad. I wanted Romo out at halftime they were so bad.
I’m definitely beginning to worry that age and lack of depth has caught up to that group. Our best lineman is Free, and its not even close anymore imo.
It's clear the Cowboys did not come to play
Preseason, long camp, mental fatigue, or whatever the reason may be, the Cowboys looked they had zero desire to step onto that field. And while I defended them during the game, I realize now that the problem of not wanting it enough is something that has plagued this team for many years and not only in preseason. Only last year did we see signs of a turnaround, and that is what has gotten the fans really excited for this season.
But the fact remains that, ultimately, the game counts for naught. That should be enough to give me some peace till the Redskins game. After that…
That said, there’s no reason for the Cowboys’ starters to play more than a series against Miami. And that only because I’d like to see Romo to Dez. Otherwise, let these players stew in their incompetence and leave them with something to prove when the season starts.
Quick notes —
Marion the Barbarian, where are you?
Kyle Kosier, we miss you. I am sorry I forgot how important your loss was just a couple of seasons ago.
Doesn’t matter whether you tackle in camp or not. You have to want to when it’s game on.
Yep, safety is still an issue, and that is why Sensabaugh will get paid.
Oh, funnily enough, Roy Williams came to play. Very weird night.
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by accidental innuendo on Aug 29, 2010 8:56 AM CDT reply actions
This is a great way to view the game
Mind if I borrow it for a while? You know, just take it for a spin? I promise I won’t bring it back smelling like a cheap brothel or an opium den like SOME people would…
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
I hate to break it to you
But cheap brothels smell awfully similar to regular brothels
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by accidental innuendo on Aug 29, 2010 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm beginning to think Kosier is easily our best lineman.
With Free nipping on his heels. But Davis and Gurode can be just bad sometimes.
Dave, I agree the whole game was pretty bad
I just watched that holding on Free, It was an absolutely horrendous call! Not that it makes anything better, just makes it seem like it was THAT kind of night all around.
Oh, funnily enough, Roy Williams came to play. Very weird night.
Funny Romo finally decided to throw the ball at him not over him or at his feet
Well, there were a few overthrows
But I’ll chalk that up to Romo running for his life.
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by accidental innuendo on Aug 29, 2010 9:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Some...
although I do think he should have hit Roy in the endzone, that was a really good route by Roy.
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Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
Roy Had 'Em Beat in End Zone
Just a little overthrown… Open on some others where he wasn’t the target too.
Golden Rule: He who has the gold makes the rules.
Yup, that was on Romo. I’m not afraid to blame the QB.
<_<
>_>
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by accidental innuendo on Aug 29, 2010 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions
There was that.
And then the same incompetent Texans CB negated what I think could have been an Austin TD.
So Romo could have had 2 touchdown passes if Quinn hadn’t been called for interference, which might have made the game look a bit better.
Is it NFL time yet?
+1
Romo didn’t play perfect yesterday, for sure. But he wasn’t awful either given the pressure. The major problem I had with Romo’s game was that he was totally unable to communicate the play calls – like we forgot we were playing on the road in a very loud stadium of fans who don’t like us and didn’t know what to do. It was like we failed football 101.
i think this is my chance to say this without gettin the heat
i think the romo it’s pretty responsible for the roy willie mess, he simply doesn’t make good throws to him, i think he is hesitant when throwing a t him, sure is a product of roy running bad routes some time ago, but now i see him running better so romo has to notice the difference between now and before, now roy is running good routes, so romo has to thrown the ball without hesitating, that’s a mental issue he hasn’t overcome, he keeps thinking too much when throwing at roy, he throws high, low, too strong, too vanilla, etc., just send the pass to the point, if roy isn’t there, there wouldn’t be a single reason to apologize for him and finally dez will see his turn imminently, as i see it, in both cases we’ll win
I think its hard to tell
For example, the first miscommunication was on roy – Romo attempted a back shoulder throw, and Roy never slowed down or turned around.
Its both of their faults, honestly.
not sure about that...
I don’t think a QB has different mechanics and release techniques for each receiver. The QB throws the ball, period. The only thing I could see to support your argument is if Romo was intentionally trying to torpedo Roy Williams stint with the boys. Maybe he could intentionally try to miss on their connections… otherwise, I just don’t see it.
i have been thinking of that as well, because he kind of supported TO on the 2008 drama
but that would be very unprofessional and foolish, romo don’t be an ass, forget you r issues with roy for a superbowl ring!
Thank you. Some folks here were implying, as usual, that saying anything
negative was unreasonable panic. Panic? No, not over preseason. But there’s nothing unreasonable about being critical of that mess. The fact that the coaches are contemplating playing the starters next week says a lot. Who wants to take that performance last night into the regular season?
Yeah
that was hot crap. I don’t think it means that Dallas is going to be like that in the regular season, but that was a poor poor performance.
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Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
One of several in a row now...
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
we looked terrible..
keep telling myself – its pre-season-
there is reason for concern.
we will find out on sep 12th,if they dont up their game then its going to be a long and painful season to watch..
cmon wade kick some ass and put a fire under this team….
Davie Wilson
how bout them cowboys!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Aug 29, 2010 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions
yes dire,
he has to get the team fired up.
i know its not his style but if we sleepwalk into the season then he loses his job..
Davie Wilson
how bout them cowboys!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Aug 29, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
+ a billion
You can do a lot of things in life. You can't stab a teammate with a pair of scissors. - Kevin Smith
If I remember correctly the Cowboys did the samething last preseason.
When they broke camp in Cali, can’t remember who they played, but they were walking dead like last night. I said last week they would loose by 10 -14 points. Maybe this is a wake up call for them, it better be.
Lock n Load
my god, Andre got whipped by okoye on that sack
That is probably what I am most concerned about, Gurodes pass blocking. I dont have a solution for it, which makes it worse.
That may spell trouble down the line
For the defense, the shortest distance to the QB is through the center. And it’s tougher for Romo to be evasive when the rusher is coming at him straight-on.
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by accidental innuendo on Aug 29, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions
good confidence boost for Okoye
never been that close to a NFL QB in a game before, too bad for him they don`t play the Cowboys every week and yes the sky is falling!!!
When Romo was driving the team in the 3rd Qtr
I almost wanted them to fail. The announcers were speculating that the Cowboys better be pissed off about their performance, and I didn’t want a garbage td by the 1st team taking away any of the bitter pill in their mouth. Then of course, Witten tipped the ball to Jackson, and it went the other way for 65 yards. Now I don’t want to let the 1st teamers have redemption against the Dolphins. I want that bitter pill to stay with them right through the Redskins game.
What bothered me more than the crap performance was late in the first half, and the team is down 10-0, the players are over on the sideline with their heads held low like they were down 44-0. Come on, man. It’s 10-0. Get in the game. Take some pride in your performance. Act like 10 points isn’t insurmountable.
If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.
That's exactly what I saw also against Minny in the playoffs last season
It seems like they have no self-confidence
No leadership on the field
is what I’ve been saying for the past couple of years. It’s easy to be called a leader when things are going well. But it’s againt adversity—like the Minny game—where I have a problem with Romo, Wade, and Garrett. People got on TO, but he was right and was only trying to shake some people up in the way he only knew: rant and rave, get on Romo and Garrett about Romo locking on Witten when any trouble surfaces instead of going thru his progressions. TO was trying to be a leader ON THE FIELD. Now..mobing past TO, plain vanilla or not, when will Wade and Garrett understand that we you are being kicked around by a bully, you HAVE TO SEND A MESSAGE? Better yet, as Jimmy used to say, HIT THE GORILLA WITH ALL YOU GOT, then pullup and go plain vanilla if its the preseason and injuries you are worried about. If we don’t start fast in the 1st 3 games, we can forget it and Wade will be jettisoned.
Leadership isn't going to make players execute better
They’re professionals, it’s up to them to be ready and play well in a game.
In Romo we Trust
What was Felix thinking when he stoped on that pitch out?
Rbs in high school know better than that. The whole game was like a bad dream.
Lock n Load
That's irritating, too. I could see Romo calling the audible, so how did Felix
miss it? He should have paid better attention.
The whole NFC east
is not looking particularly good this preseason. The giants and boys both got whipped last night and the eagles didn’t look too good on friday. Has this division been wildly overrated?
I don’t know how to feel right now. The cowboys HAVE to be better then what we are seeing but I can’t believe that they are doing this on purpose. I have an eerie sensation that we are seeing shades of 2008 when the boys started the year full of cheese and had a miserable season.
Super bowl? Let’s try and score a touchdown and play some defense first.
Jason Williams is not good getting off blocks
Lee looks much better, I hope that experiment of Williams starting over Lee, is over.
I think Brookings
if healthy will start over both
"Talent is God-given; be humble. Fame is man-given; be grateful. Conceit is self-given; be careful." John Wooden
I agree Brooking(no s) will start over both
I was just referring to yesterday, and if Brooking is not available for whatever reason, then it should be Lee.
I'm hoping he breaks out in his 3rd year
But we have to stop drafting these types of players that got through college on athleticism alone and hoping we can instill them with football smarts.
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by accidental innuendo on Aug 29, 2010 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions
No
Anthony Spencer was a beast right off the bat. He had great awareness even as a rookie. And his closing speed was phenomenal.
Find another whipping boy.
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by accidental innuendo on Aug 29, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
I disagree
He wasn’t a “beast right off the bat”. It took him until his 3rd year to crack the starting line up and 1/2 through that season to record a sack.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 29, 2010 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions
You may both be right
Had he played more he likely would have improved faster. But Ellis was too good for a youngster to unseat easily.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
it was Ellis that held Spencer back
i think Spencer was always able to play coming out of college but w/ Ellis in front of him it was hard to find time for him on the field. Ellis was crying to the media, disrupting the locker room & holding them back from allowing Spencer to develope on the field.
once he was named a starter it didn’t take long for him to take off, Wade has always said Spencer is going to be a great player. sometimes its hard for younger players to get on the field bc of the vets in front of them but things are changing & Dallas needs to do the same.
why on earth is Choice getting less snaps then MBIII?
Move Over Sweetness, Make A Place For Emmitt!
by Va_Cowboy_Fan on Aug 29, 2010 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
Spencer was injured in his rookie year
And in his 2nd year Wade was already raving about him in practice. In his 3rd season Greg Ellis finally got out of his way. You make it sound like Spencer was a bum coming out of college which just isn’t true. He was a heck of a player.
If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.
Spencer, was no beast until last season
Then beast! No question. He’s even said he didn’t understand just how much work it took to be successful in the NFL, and when he finally got it, and started putting in the overtime, that’s when he started showing up and making plays on a regular basis.
Jason Williams has the most speed out there, and can hit, he can cover, and worst case he’s the nickel LB and a backup. But I think it’s way to early to give up on his potential. I don’t think he’s warranted that kind of response. The guys been doing alright so far.
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
by APerfectStar on Aug 30, 2010 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions
well vanilla; base call it what ever you want
all I know is this is two weeks in a row that the Cowboy starters have been dominated by their opponents starters.
"Talent is God-given; be humble. Fame is man-given; be grateful. Conceit is self-given; be careful." John Wooden
I've been lurking
but reading the great reporting every day.
Preseason? Vanilla? Travel malaise?
I hated watching that weak effort last night, and I hope that this was cold water in the face for the Cowboys. I did notice that many of the 1s were smiling and chatting on the sideline in the last half. I’m reading that to mean they might have soime insights that I don’t.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
Either that or they lack pride.
Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-
by squidlo97 on Aug 29, 2010 10:36 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I think they have a lot more information than we do.
I’m willing to bet on that.
by StillHateTheGiants on Aug 29, 2010 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Evidently that didnt have enough information to know they should be embarassed by their performance.
Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-
True
You can do a lot of things in life. You can't stab a teammate with a pair of scissors. - Kevin Smith
It is preseason
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Aug 30, 2010 6:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh your right, its preseason, its ok to slide and give half ass effort and play like crap.
All we gotta do is flip the switch. We are Dallas after all. We even won a playoff game in the last 12 years. My bad.
Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-
Just look at last year
Played horribly against San Diego, then the next week went on to convincingly beat an undefeated New Orleans team. It is perfectly possibly to ‘switch it on’, especially considering the preseason context.
The sarcasm was very clever though.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Aug 30, 2010 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Are you joking, comparing that team and effort to this one.
I know we are perfectly capable of playing better. Im disgusted with the effort shown. Im disgusted with the attitude. Out of 4 games of trying to get ready for the season we have 1 TD and that was a gift from the D by getting us on their 8 yard line. I dont care about wins. i care about how we execute.
Im not a chicken little but this is a team thats suppose to contend.
PS How do you know that N.O. didnt just switch it off.
Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-
Well they won the SB
so either way, poor play one week doesn’t translate to poor play the next.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Aug 30, 2010 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Poor play is understatement. This isnt any of those teams.
And we have played more poorly than I can remember and I have been following them since the early 70s.
The kicker is it has been for the last 3 weeks and since this was the “dress rehearsal” and the previous 2 weeks we stunk up the building I would have like to seen more effort and pride.
Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-
It's a giant trick.
Wade and Jerry told the Cowboys to look like absolute crap through the preseason so that they’ll explode all over the Redskins’ faces come week 1!
Is it NFL time yet?
Phrasing
You should really watch using the words “explode” “faces” and “come” so close to eachother.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 29, 2010 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions
lmao .....
Davie Wilson
how bout them cowboys!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Aug 29, 2010 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Buehler
I wish Wade opted to let Buehler attempt that 48 yard FG late in the game instead of going for it on 4th & 6.
I got a bad feeling this is another season with high expectations that flops.
This team has shown nothing in preseason to give fans confidence. I don’t understand, they weren’t even on Hard Knocks this year?
by upstateNYYFan1984 on Aug 29, 2010 9:37 AM CDT reply actions
way too early to say that
I still think that at the worst this team goes 8-8. Kosier and Columbo being out hurt us, and this defense is much better than it shows in preseason.
I would be SHOCKED if we go 12-4 or better. Too many holes. We are going to have game where we just don’t score due to very poor line play
2008 was only bad cuz Romo got hurt.
They still went 9-7. They probably would have went 10-6 or 11-5 had he been healthy the whole season.
by Baked Potato Soup on Aug 29, 2010 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Another 'trend'
2007- winning record
2008- winning record
2009- winning record
2010- winning record?
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Aug 29, 2010 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree on Buehler
Wht didn’t we let him try the field goal at the end of the game? That would have been a good in game test.
The game is being replayed
on NFL network on Monday, 4:00 PM
You guys don't understand, Gurode is a probowler
Right Ironfist?
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Rounds 1 and 2 this year
Need to be a center and a guard.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 29, 2010 10:08 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I pointed this out in the game thread
But Jerry has probably got the memo … unfortunately, a little late.
Movie Reference
by accidental innuendo on Aug 29, 2010 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes that is sarcasm
I have been on Gurode’s case for a while now, and Ironfist and a few others have been mocking me for it.
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I mock you because you have 5 y’s at the end of your username. So there.
Movie Reference
by accidental innuendo on Aug 29, 2010 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions
Brian Broddus (sp) at ESPN
said this year that the weakest links on this OL was L.Davis & Gurode, i tend to agree. Holland wasn’t great & didn’t help things much but its a big difference when Kosier’s in the game. with out rewatching the game i didn’t see where Barron did any better then Brewster when he started. also say what you want but S.Young is a decent rookie RT & i look for that kid to be a lock on this roster.
Move Over Sweetness, Make A Place For Emmitt!
by Va_Cowboy_Fan on Aug 29, 2010 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions
i agree about Colombo
but i think we have some possible canidates for a RT if he can last 1 more season. don’t forget Colombo is a tough dude that brings some attitude w/ this offense. if his recovery goes well then he could play well this season but i wouldn’t count him out until its time.
Move Over Sweetness, Make A Place For Emmitt!
by Va_Cowboy_Fan on Aug 29, 2010 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions
No one mocked you for being against Gurode!
Don’t you twist what was said man, you said Travis Bright is as good or better right now.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
quincyyyy's just so happy that Gurode missed a couple blocks that he forgot
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
by APerfectStar on Aug 30, 2010 2:08 AM CDT up reply actions
+1 I get the feeling he would rather be right than win.
Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-
For someone that used to say that
The best Center on the team was Bright, you surely talk a lot about other people opinions…
Just saying… In your opinion, the best Center is now with the 3rd team…
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Never said that.
I said he is just as good as gurode, which is true
But thanks for putting words in my mouth.
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Ok, I'll quote you:
-I’m going to get flamed for this, but Bright may be just as good or better than the vastly overrated Gurode.
by quincyyyyy on Jul 26, 2010 6:23 PM PDT
The guy is running with the 3rd team now, which mean that Costa is even better than him… A rookie…
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
lol busted!!!!
Davie Wilson
how bout them cowboys!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Aug 29, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
For the sake of a technicality...
That quote does say that Bright is only comparable to Gurode. Nothing about who the best center is. Maybe Costa is a probowler waiting to get his shot?
"Guy holding the clipboard syndrome"
Just because a starter is bad, doesn’t mean his backup is any better.
See: Just about any team in the history of the NFL where the starting QB sucks.
As bad as Brad Johnson was, do you remember how horrible Brooks Bolinger was when they finally put him in? They had to go back to Brad!
The guy holding the clipboard isn’t neccessarily better, even if the starter is terrible.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 29, 2010 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Bolinger was as bad as Johnson
Just like Bright or Costa could be as bad as Gurode, but they could be better. We won’t know unless we try.
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Quincyyyy, I love you
All offseason we’ve been beating the same drum.
Davis is terrible, Gurode is losing it.
But I disagree that some UDFA rookie can perform at the NFL level immediately. I don’t believe that is the answer.
Miles Austin and Tony Romo took 4 years to bloom from ugly ducklings to starters. If you think Phil Costa is four times more talented than Austin and Romo… more power to you.
I’m not willing to follow you out onto that ledge.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 29, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Well that is not the standard I'm setting is it?
I’m not comparing Costa to Romo. I’m comparing him to Gurode.
Costa may just be as good as Gurode, but he has room to improve. Gurode is just declining.
There is a point at which a Veteran starter is no better than his backups. I think Gurode may have reached that point.
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Based off what?
A few bad games over the last few years (it is unfortunate though that they consistently seem to be our last game of the season)? What happened to Travis Bright? In your opinion what have you definitively seen that makes Costa not only better than Gurode, but also better than Travis Bright (the guy you were pumping up not that long ago)? I would really love to hear specific scout stuff from you rather than vague assertions.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 30, 2010 12:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Your comparing rookies that have talent but arent ready for prime time.
costa isnt ready. He has short arms which means technique is essential. He probably could use a year in the weight room.
I agree that Gurode is declining but I think he would look much better if he had a better RG playing beside him. Put Mankins beside him and you would rarely know he was playing.
You play Costa as a rookie beside Davis and you will ruin him for life.
Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-
I'm comparing rookies who aren't quite there yet to veterans past their prime
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Gurode isnt as bad as you make him out to be and Costa at this point isnt even close to him.
Gurode play would improve greatly without Davis beside him more so than Davis would improve with a stud Center beside him.
remember when RW1 was here and all the DBs play was bad in an effort to cover for RW. I feel that Mankins would make Gurode better simply by having confidence and not trying to overcompensate.
Look, Im on record for going with younger guys when their ready or almost ready(meaning though they may not be playing better in Sept they will/should be by Dec) Costa is not there this year.i think we would lose to many games trying to get him there by Dec. My problem is you think he is. I
Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-
And we will lose many games with gurode
difference is you are developing young talent in the mean time with one guy, and you are wasting time with the other guy.
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that doesn't make sense
when we’ve had 4 straight winning seasons with Gurode at center.
In Romo we Trust
Q...I'm pretty sure Gurode outplayed Parcells hand picked
replacement Al Johnson and has been the lynchpen on that line for the 6 years since,just like Glover outplayed Ferguson and B.James outplayed the list of replacement LBs that he trotted during his tenure to replace him.
Do you huff paint? I really can’t remember Gurode being the goat after a loss,Can you? Besides he’s owned the 100 million dollar man.
And we would lose more games with Costa
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 30, 2010 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Also, what do you mean "many"?
Even in 2008 where everything went wrong for that team we went 9-7.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Aug 30, 2010 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you know what just as good means
and that tells you something that a third teamer is just as good or better than gurode.
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You just got wasted, q
He put your quote right there in black and white, “just as good OR BETTER than Gurode” quit trying to deny it.
Bright hasn’t done anything to warrant that kind of statement. Costa looks like the better rookie center. Better start making your new Gurode replacement predictions for him now.
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
by APerfectStar on Aug 30, 2010 2:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Bright actually had a really good game on Saturday if you weren't paying attention
He was holding his own knocking people down. Gurode on the other hand looked miserable.
That statement was completely accurate.
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No
Your statement wasn’t:
“Bright looks better when he plays against 3rd teamers than how Gurode looks against 1st teamers.”
So, your statement isn’t THAT accurate.
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Please point to the guy on offense that wasnt playing miserable. Free and Barron.
Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-
You are hopeless
I liked Bright, and was rooting for him to win the backup spot, but no way did he come close. If it weren’t for McQ sucking like a Dyson with a supercharged motor, he’d be the worst interior lineman of the 2nd unit.
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
by APerfectStar on Aug 30, 2010 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh you really want to call me out dude?
I’m not a big Gurode supporter, I just don’t think one of the other guys on the roster could beat him out or is better.
Grow up.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
You called him a pro-bowler in his defense, like that meant anything
LOL!
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Hilarious (sarcasm off)
You hate Gurode, your multiple statements have driven that home. Point remains he’s still the best center on the team, and will be a main cog in the line this season. So instead of jumping for joy that he had a bad game, you better hope you were wrong about him. I know you are but that’s just my opinion and I’m sure I’ll get slammed for it. A few bad plays in a pre-season game doesn’t mean he stinks. If that’s the case then a lot of players on the Cowboys are in the same boat.
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
by APerfectStar on Aug 30, 2010 2:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Bullcrap
You find where I used the term “probowler” as a defense.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
You know what...
For someone who likes to spout off “haha look at me I’m right” why don’t you write a “Quinccy’ highly anticipated list of crap that he’s been wrong about.”
Maybe then you’ll go off of facts than just crap you made up based on your pee wee coaching skills.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
But he is a ProBowler and....
he didn’t get there because he’s a nice guy,or because the players couldn’t come up with another name.This division alone can put any of the centers in there and it not be a stretch,just like your namesake you need a intervention,back away from the bong and find a job.
Don't have good feelings about the beginning of the season.
I think it’ll be a rough start for the Cowboys.
Is it NFL time yet?
I agree
If you think Houston was crazy, wait until Washington on Sunday night. I live here, the town is abuzz in a way it hasn’t been in years.
Cowboy are walking into a hornets nest.
by Bayou Cowboy on Aug 29, 2010 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions
I predict a Redskins win if:
1) The starters don’t play next game and this is the last time we see them until week 1.
2) The starters play against Miami like they did last night.
Is it NFL time yet?
Trust me...The Redskins will not win Sept 12th....They are really lousy
I live here too…the fans always think the skins are ALL WORLD…..in august!!!!
September always proves them wrong
You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach
Mcnab may not play,
Rex Grossman does not scare me
"My days of not taking you seriously have certainly come to a middle"
Our blocking scares me.
Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-
Since when isn't a division game,away,opening day on primetime a Hornets nest...
It’s been a long time since I’ve seen any team not get up for “Americas Team”,isn’t that what happened in the Rams game the year before,how ’bout the 2 years before when they got beat by Kitna and the Lions.
idk it was awful
but I think we just need to pump the brakes on the sky is falling
Im a negative person and I prepare for the worst, thats just how I am but when it comes to this team and the talent we have and what we achieved last season I just think we are gonna come around like we did last year
and man that play to Jacoby Jones was a great play,,,,,can we get off Alan Ball’s balls already
3 games the guy has been good and not one word about him then he gets beat on a really good play which I think alot of FS would get beat on and we trash the guy
if he isnt the answer we draft a FS next year….so be it
Agree,
I thought the game was going to be ugly, but not that ugly. Everything will be ok when the Boys hang 35 on Washington, and win by 21.
Lock n Load
yessir
im concerned about real games
was that awful god yeah but im just saying if we have a game like that then let it be preseason
but the run game is concerning……can we just spread it out like the Vikings and throw the ball
we did that and ran a screen and draw we got going there until Bernard Pollard raped Witten
but next year
can we play 4 f’n games and stay in one place
Oxnard or San Antonio pick a place and stay there for 4 weeks
now that bothers me
yeah me too
whats odd is if there isnt a season the draft still takes place and you hold the rights to that player
I'm happy about it.
Remember the last time the Boys waltzed into a season hearing “Super Bowl” every time they turned around? Here’s a cold glass of water in the face of complacency.
"Only the strong survive, but the strong still get their ass whipped." -Nick Saban
Sam Young got hurt
Maybe we can stash him on IR.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 29, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
it was ashame to see that
Young looked like a really good rookie playing at RT, does anyone know if it was a major injury or will he be gtg soon? i think he makes the roster w/ ease if its a minor set back but you never know w/ these big guys
Move Over Sweetness, Make A Place For Emmitt!
by Va_Cowboy_Fan on Aug 29, 2010 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
He doesn't have the upside
to make the IR move worthwhile.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Aug 29, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Agreed
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Aug 30, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Also agree
If we carry Brewster and Costa, that’s enough youth. Young has a lot of supporters, not sure why, but now maybe they can IR him and not lose the roster spot.
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
by APerfectStar on Aug 30, 2010 2:21 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Aug 29, 2010 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
It starts in the oline....
L.Davis is close to done, he should have been moved but perhaps there was no market.
Keep 15 rookies, move what they can and rebuild. I’ve said this since June.
Crayton, Hurd, Spears, L.Davis, Kosier, Gurode, Columbo are all progress stoppers at this point.
It wasn't about the Texas game alone.....
consider the Min and Phil games the last two years. At a higher level the o-line can’t match up.
They aren’t even in condition at this point.
Not every move has to go though the 3 year bench rot process, sometimes you just have to look and make the move. It doesn’t have to be an 8 million per year FA either. Look at the theater over the Adams move, anywhere else it would be a short byline. On some of the better teams you can’t even name the guards.
In the end this is a front office culture problem, just make the moves and accept that some more of your team is done already. JJ is too attached to his prior moves for the likley reason he paid real money for them. A real front office would buffer some of these emotional mistakes.
The same people who think I’m crazy now will be crying “I can’t believe it” when they go down in another key game later this year. Meanwhile you would keep Crayton and Hurd around to start whining when their number isn’t going to get called?? Another dumb idea. Cut Hudgins and Holly? Another dumb idea.
Someone who isn't there.....
slated as starter, he might be on a bench somewhere else.
When the move happens the chumps will say; “how could they do this”….“why didn’t we do it two years ago six weeks later.”
How can they be...
“progress stoppers” when the people they are supposedly holding back aren’t even on our roster? You can’t hold back someone who isn’t there. Better find a better term to keep throwing around…maybe something like “very replaceable”.
Rabid and luvin' it
didn't we sweep
philly 3-0 last year?
You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach
Two year context please...
Got crushed with oline issues in 08’ if you recall. Not as singular as last year but they were declining even then.
I still haven't seen anybody that can actually replace the guys you listed....
Crayton, Hurd, Spears, L.Davis, Kosier, Gurode, Columbo, maybe Brewster can replace Columbo,but until they stop playing musical tackles and decide on a backup we’ll never know,As far as Kosier’s replacement we’ve been waiting for that for 2 years,and several draft picks he’s the best we got.Crayton will be replaced by Dez,but that says it all,a 1st rounder to replace a 7th rounder.How long until Ware,Ratliff,Newman make your list.
….JG needs to run the ball,run the ball but as long as he has all the toys to throw to,this line is going to be suspect because they are hogs,not pass blockers.Maybe he’ll realize that the shotgun and 7 step drops will get Romo killed or realize that Chan Gailey couldn’t keep a job because his system was more important than his players welfare.
Leonard Davis does suck
But what choice do we have at this point? I think Brewster would make a good guard.
And Kosier is still good.
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Yeah, I thought Brewster was going to be a guard
I don’t think he has the skills to be a tackle.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
That's the big problem
Is that we’ve had bad O-linemen for way too long and we haven’t addressed the problem. Year after year after year.
Davis is done at the NFL level in my opinion. I think he’s worse at his position than Flozel is at his, Davis is just done.
But what do we have behind him? Did you see McQuistan get undressed for that sack? He was just beat immediately and his man sprinted straight for McGee. McQuistan is horrible.
Our O-line has players who are done as starters (Davis) backed up by guys that shouldn’t even make a 53 man roster (McQuistan)
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 29, 2010 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions
So, not much of this is unexpected...
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Nope
It’s the same problem we had in the 4th quarter against the Giants in 2007
It’s the same problem that contributed to 44-6 in 2008
It’s the same problem that single-handedly caused the Metrodome Meltdown in 2009
And it’s the same problem that many of us on this blog have been jumping up and down about during the entire 2010 offseason.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 29, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Why hasn't McQuistan been cut?
by now?
Another bad message being sent, look around the league and see the other teams acting on their rosters.
They still need him for the MIA game
Then he’ll be gone. He’s awful.
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
by APerfectStar on Aug 30, 2010 2:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Me either
I couldn’t believe when I saw they moved him to tackle. He needs to be covered up at the OG position IMO. What made them think that they needed him OT??
You can do a lot of things in life. You can't stab a teammate with a pair of scissors. - Kevin Smith
It's not crazy for the OL guys, except there is no one behind the OLine people to have their progress stopped
I wish someone was having their progress stopped by Davis, Gurode and Kosier.
But Nooooo, we don’t have any young promising OLinemen at those spots.
I still wonder about Brewster ending up at tackle instead of guard.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Aug 29, 2010 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
So you saw Erik Williams as a progress stopper....
if it wasn’t for his accident Larry Allen may have never played
Larry Allen was the starting left guard, and an All-Pro there when Erik had his accident.
He filled in for Erik Williams after the accident and was a pro bowler there as well (and deserved it).
Really, what he said.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Aug 30, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
And not even to my point-read carefully please
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Aug 30, 2010 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions
i agree on a few
L.Davis is done & needs to be replaced asap, even this year if possible. Gurode is next on the OL but it could be harder to find a starting center out of college, this is an area Jerry could spend in FA. Kosier is underratted a little but he’s still one of the best we have. Colombo could be a question mark, he could be great or just stink it up when he returns but we have a couple RTs that could challenge him next year. Crayton might stop some progress but he’s just to reliable at a position were deep at, he won’t take snaps from anyone unless their not dependable. Hurd & Spears are all but gone. Hatcher & Bowen look to be doing great
Move Over Sweetness, Make A Place For Emmitt!
by Va_Cowboy_Fan on Aug 29, 2010 12:12 PM CDT up reply actions
you dont blow the team up,
because of pre-season results..
Davie Wilson
how bout them cowboys!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Aug 29, 2010 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions
all I can do is smile and giggle sometimes
there are some real hum dingers posted on here after a loss, even the pre season.
by Musiccitynorm on Aug 29, 2010 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions
You got that right.
Reading some of these comments, Jerry might as well cancel the rest of the season.
Lock n Load
Norm is even more complacent than Wade
He’s achieved a new level!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 29, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
They are nothing...
if not consistent. They’ve suggested trading or cutting about 50% of our starters from last season in one post or another. It’s becoming almost as comical as Montecito Tex’s posts.
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Aug 29, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Exactly
This team is far too talented to go into rebuilding mode.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Aug 29, 2010 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions
obviously this is not full fledged rebuilding - more of a transition
but we are in the midst of a complete overhaul of the oline, starting with Flo for Free. These starters likely won’t make it another 2 years.
While that is true
I was responding to this comment:
Keep 15 rookies, move what they can and rebuild. I’ve said this since June.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Aug 30, 2010 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions
This is a pipe dream.....
by which all apathy and inaction is driven.
Some good players but not a team like the 90’s relative to their time. They collect dead wood, tell you how great it is and everyone acts surprised when they fail in the stretch. Also, second place is good enough with much of the team.
Since when is an overweight guard or center going to stop production with better organizations? Replace and move on. Does everything come down to a 1st round pick, mega contract or 3 year training program? The Cowboys would need 2 firsts every year and need to have the roster expanded to 75 full-time the way they act.
Why is the o-line out of shape on top of everything else?
Oh, now I see...
Some good players but not a team like the 90’s relative to their time.
That’s your problem, the early 90’s team is your measuring stick… I believe that such a thing is kind of wrong, because that team would blow out of the water any team in the current state of the League… That team was that good and not that affected by what at that time was the recent salary cap.
Look around the League, every team has flaws that may or may not cripple their chances, everything rests on game planning and executing because there isn’t a single team that’s perfect.
Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
+1
The Cowboys don’t need to be better than their 1990s counterparts, they just need to be better than every 2010 team.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Aug 30, 2010 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions
Your having the pipe dream
The team is built for a run now, definitely not the time to blow it up and rebuild, unless you are Josh McDaniels.
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
by APerfectStar on Aug 30, 2010 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions
A tad extreme
but honestly, I’ve thought of these two years a little in the same way. Our chances of winning a superbowl with this group of OL are very very slim imo. Playoffs? we should be able to get there, although after last night’s game I’m concerned. This team won’t be superbowl worthy till be revamp this line, with at least relatively consistent players.
Next draft is going to have to be heavily focused on the OL, and hopefully between Free, Barron, Brewster, Bright(?),Costa and those guys,we should be able to field a better line.
If you cut all those guys now, our season will go down the toilet, we may as well not play. So in that sense, its stupid. Now just cutting Davis?…I could see that, maybe. I feel like this group needs to be changed up or by the end of the season, Romo’s going to be running for his life like in 2008.
There is just no friggin way the interior OL should allow as many qb pressures as ours does. Its ridiculous
That's what I was telling myself and others...
last January:
Next draft is going to have to be heavily focused on the OL,
Jerry proved me wrong. I’m not convinced he’ll see the light next draft either. I can hope…but I’m not going to hold my breath or put money on it.:(
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Aug 29, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
we have to go o-line ,
in the first 2 rounds..
they must see that?…
Davie Wilson
how bout them cowboys!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Aug 29, 2010 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions
yes but they can't just pick OL for the sake of picking OL
if there is a great interior OL prospect and then a dropoff where we are picking, we need to do EVERYTHIG we can to get that guy.
And this team isn’t in dire need of tackles, which is where high picks usually go.
its guard or center..
we have to get younger and hopefully more mobile in the interior line..
Davie Wilson
how bout them cowboys!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Aug 29, 2010 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I was shocked that Iupati and Pouncey went when they did
On average, you only see one center or guard taken in the first round, many times zero and 2 in the first 20 picks is almost unheard of.
I was shocked at how the board played out, I was sure we would be able to get Pouncey on our team. :-(
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 29, 2010 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
With Free looking good at LT, hopefully we have a long-term solution at the hardest o-line position to fill. I’m hoping Brewster will eventually be able to fill in for Davis, who increasingly is looking confused and immobile.
I would love a blue-chip center or stud guard next draft. Those guys can be found late in the first and early in the second.
thats not fair
I agree the ol was the big issue last year for this team too, but we didn’t have a chance to grab the guys we wanted, and tackle isn’t nearly as big a concern as interior play, where if I remember right, there wasn’t a lot of value on the board when we picked.
Not in the first
Dez was by far and away the BPA.
But in the second and third there were options. But we blew those on Sean Lee.
Not that I’m saying Lee was a bad pick, from the looks of it, it was a good one. But I said it on draft day, and I’ve said it all offseason… Lee had better be worth it. From everything I’ve seen, he will be worth it. But we gave up the ability to draft guards and centers, good ones, to draft Lee. If he’s the Brooking of the next 10 years, it was an excellent move. But he’d better be worth it.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 29, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
He will be!
Just ask Terry
You'll never get in a traffic jam,while going the extra mile. -Roger staubach
Working off the Cowboys draft board
Lee was also far and away the BPA.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Aug 29, 2010 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions
Several O-Linemen were rated as high or higher than Lee
Such as Roger Saffold, Vlad Ducasse, Charles Brown, John Jerry, John Asamoah, and Campbell. Given the fact that we were trading our 2nd & 4th, they were all within reach. And as good as Lee may be (no doubt he will be good – even if he was invisible this week), we don’t have an immediate need for him. We did have immediate needs on offensive line.
by JimmyJohnson on Aug 29, 2010 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
We Needed ILBs
As much as we needed guards, we needed ILBs. Brooking was noting more than a stop-gap. And god damn did he overperform.
We can’t count on that overperformance in 2010 and certainly not in 2011. We needed an ILB.
If Sean Lee is an amazing pro-bowler ILB, it was worth it. It was more than worth it.
But if Lee isn’t, and instead we could have had a pro-bowler guard — then, oh s**** we drafted wrong.
That’s the debate.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 29, 2010 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions
But at least we have Brooking
And a 3rd rounder… and L. Williams to take his place. And ILB’s are a dime a dozen. Guys we cut from the 53 man roster have been starters on Superbowl teams.
But our starters are inadequate THIS YEAR at several positions on the offensive line.
by JimmyJohnson on Aug 30, 2010 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I think its obvious
the coaches think they are getting a one of a kind player in Lee, the kind of guy you can put at the heart of your defense for the next decade, and didn’t think of the olineman as highly. If they are wrong, it will come down on their heads, as it should. But if your scouts tell you they think the olineman aren’t nearly as good as advertised, you listen to your scouts!
ILB was a pressing need
And the Cowboy’s draft board was leaked, none of those guys were rated anywhere near as highly as Lee.
RW is the opposite of WR. Coincidence? I think not.
by aussie_cowboy on Aug 30, 2010 12:54 AM CDT up reply actions
none of those OL will turn out to be better players than Lee
and obviously they weren’t rated very high by the Cowboys
In Romo we Trust
That's not in dispute
The Cowboys ranked him as a first rounder. He’s perfomed great in pre-season. I’m on the Sean Lee bandwagon. I like him a lot.
All I’m saying is, don’t argue Dez. Dez was the BPA. Cowboys board, anyone’s board. There’s no doubt he was the best player when we got him.
If you want to debate where to pick O-linemen. Debate the Sean Lee pick. Debate giving up a 2nd and a 4th for Sean Lee. If you want to have a debate, that’s where the debate should be. Not Dez, but Sean Lee.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Aug 29, 2010 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Even that debate is quickly losing steam with the promise Lee has shown.
You wrote a post on another thread I like, “but he better be.”
Ability is a poor mans wealth.
The main ingredient of stardom is the rest of the team.
Talent is God given, Be humble. Fame is man given, Be grateful. Conceit is self-given, Be careful.
-John Wooden-
"Wait till next year?"....
is already where we are?
Other teams replace players with nobodys all the time and the lines do a better job than what we are seeing.
We’re not talking QB’s or Wr’s here, where talking olinemen who you don’t even know their names on 20 other teams. The overhyping of this line relative to actual playing ability is very high. Likely due to age and contract pay they were not very tradable but something should have been done aside from Barron and UDFA and Young.
Who are these other teams?
That replace players with nobodies and do a better job all the time?
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
I'd like to know that also
This guy told me that there were 100’s of better options available to upgrade the OL right now, but never mentioned one by name.
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
by APerfectStar on Aug 30, 2010 2:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Of course not.
The last time they tried suggesting a team (S.F.) to pull from, they got proven wrong. Can’t really expect them to actually suggest specific players when they just have a general gripe and no specific or plausible plan to fix it beyond complaining that the team is apathetic about the problem.
Rabid and luvin' it
People come in off the ledge.
It was bad, real bad, but this is still preseason, Some folks saw this coming from miles away. Babe said last week he thought Houston would kick the Cowboys ass. They still win the NFC east and go deep into the playoffs.
Lock n Load
One thing I have learned about sports
Performance is not something that goes on like a light switch. I think your expectation that this is just some aberration or bad dream is entirely too “homer” for me.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
Like the Colts?
They never look good in the preseason, but seem to do ok when the light come up.
Lock n Load
Really?
Maybe that’s true if you look at their records, but their #1’s consistently outplay their opposition.
Would this feel better if our 3’s came back and won like in SD?
Dallas looked like crap in that game too and everyone pooh pooh’d it.
Now everyone seems to be turning some proverbial corner.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
I like that you are steadfast...
maybe to the point where you are blinded, but steadfast nonetheless.
Rock on, DW.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)