Position Battles: Dallas Cowboys On The Bubble (Defense)
I've decided to forgo the "traditional" 53-man roster prediction this week, instead opting to take a look at the younger players that have likely earned a spot on the team already, those that are on the bubble and those that are facing the Turk come next week.
With just one preseason game left and less than two weeks before the official start of the season, the Cowboys will have to go from 75 players down to 53 by Saturday; not much time to make 22 cuts after the game against Miami.
Continuing our discussion from yesterday on the remaining position battles for the Dallas Cowboys, we now turn to the defense where things start to get a bit more tricky.
After the jump, I take a look at the players fighting for a roster spot and what I believe to be their standing heading into Thursday night's game. I've left out the obvious choices to make the team; no sense in discussing Anthony Spencer here. I've also listed who I believe the Cowboys should target for the practice squad.
Defense
Defensive Line
On the bubble - Junior Siavii, Josh Brent
Here comes the Turk - Marcus Dixon, Sean Lissemore, Jimmy Sadler-McQueen
Thursday's game is going to be a battle in the trenches as both Siavii and Brent are likely fighting for the same roster spot. Brent has been more than impressive, showing uncanny skill in his ability to track a play downfield while displaying quickness and power both against the run and the pass. Siavii, meanwhile, has responded to the challenge posed by Brent with easily the best preseason of his career. The Cowboys will have a tough choice to make between the two, especially considering Brent's potential and the unlikeliness of sneaking him onto the practice squad.
For the rest of the defensive line, nothing has shown us this summer that Jason Hatcher or Stephen Bowen are going anywhere anytime soon. With the defenses the Cowboys roll out, going into the season with four defensive ends will be more than enough.
Outside Linebacker
Safe - Victor Butler, Brandon Williams
On the bubble - Steve Octavien
Here comes the Turk - Curtis Johnson
You almost have to feel for Victor Butler and Brandon Williams. Here are two very capable, potentially dangerous outside linebackers and they'll be lucky to get five snaps per game once the regular season starts. Wade is going to try and get Ware and Spencer some time off, but I doubt Ware will ever miss more than two or three plays a game this season. Still, it's a nice luxury to have two quality backups at those positions. It also opens up the playbook a bit for Wade, as he now has some dangerous options to unleash in obvious passing situations.
Steve Octavien is a good special teams guy and an okay backup option. He's on the bubble because of the numbers game; my previous projection had the Cowboys keeping just eight linebackers total, and generally a 3-4 defense likes to keep at least nine. Depending on what the team does at other positions, Octavien could be a victim of the numbers crunch.
Inside Linebacker
Safe - Jason Williams, Sean Lee
On the bubble - Leon Williams
Here comes the Turk - Brandon Sharpe
Leon Williams has received plenty of playing time this preseason and has shown the ability to be a playmaker. He's also shown the ability to completely blow plays with missed tackles in the open field and missed assignments. Unfortunately, it seems that the player the Cowboys drafted last year (Jason Williams) is safe, despite still being very raw in pass coverage. With a great game on Thursday, Leon could force the Cowboys to go a bit deep at this position and it might not be a bad idea; with Sean Lee's injury history and Jason Williams' inconsistency, Leon Williams could be a good fail-safe option.
Cornerback
Safe - Cletis Gordon
On the bubble - Byran McCann
Here comes the Turk - Jamar Wall, Teddy Williams
Here's where the other half of the numbers crunch comes into play: do the Cowboys keep four cornerbacks or five? With Alan Ball and AOA at safety, the Cowboys could roll with just four cornerbacks and still feel they have options in nickel and 4-1-6 formations. Then again, McCann has been just too good to easily pass up and it's questionable whether he makes it to the practice squad. His ability on special teams as a return man also gives him value, and while many cite his size as being an issue so far in the preseason he'd done nothing but impress.
Safety
Safe - Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, Mike Hamlin
On the bubble - Barry Church, Danny McCray
So here's the rub. Five safeties or six? Church, McCray, or both? This is going to be the position battle to keep an eye on against Miami, as the Cowboys are going to have to find some way to get the most out of two promising young safeties.
What the team has to determine is which player has the most upside and potential as a safety, not just a special teams ace. Both Church and McCray have been impressive on special teams while both had issues at safety against Houston (although both showed flashes of potential as well). It's possible the Cowboys keep both but it's going to be hard to justify keeping six safeties -- unless the team feels that AOA and Ball are fully capable at providing support at cornerback.
Practice squad candidates - Sean Lissemore, Brandon Sharpe, Jamar Wall, Teddy Williams
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Quincyyyys highly anticipated lissemore defense haha
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 1, 2010 9:58 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I'm on the edge of my seat.
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Lissemore is a future starter at DE
you don’t cut guys like that
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I don’t cut guys like Lissemore but good coaches do when they have better options. Hope, and believe he will be on the PS.
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What in his limited exposure...
makes you believe that? Not being a jerk either, I’m really wondering.
Coming from William and Mary, what have you seen of him that makes you think that he will definitly be a future started at DE? What seperates him from the rest of the pack?
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How do they keep him though
He really hasn’t shown much, I think he can be sneaked onto the PS (fingers crossed)
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You have to also keep in mind that 3 of our 4 DE's are on one year contracts
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And Olshansky is on a two year
none of our DE’s are signed long term
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They can probably sneak him on the PS as Dixon's replacement.
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 2, 2010 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions
+1
Brandon, both of these articles are EXCELLENT pieces. You get right to the heart of the matter, allowing insight into the challenges the players – and coaching staff – are facing in the coming days.
It’s hard to imagine keeping Church, McCann and McCray, but that’s the way I’d go. Leon Washington would be a luxury keeper, but I don’t see his potential as a starter given the traffic jam in front of him. While someone’s gotta go, I’m sure they’ll be picked up quickly, and perhaps even see playing time. Let’s hope it’s not with Philly :)
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But the Lee injury issue that Brandon raises is an excellent point
I hadn’t considered it before, but perhaps the Cowboys want to keep Leon as insurance in case Lee’s knee doesn’t hold up. You certainly don’t want to be thin at ILB in Wade’s scheme, and you can always use an extra ILB on special teams.
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 1, 2010 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm hoping we keep McCann
He seems like a luxury at this point, but a young, fast CB who has covered well and can return kicks doesn’t come along very often. Hopefully we appreciate the talent despite the draft status and don’t let him blossom somewhere else.
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by cowboysuberfan on Sep 1, 2010 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions
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McCann simply makes plays.
U can never have enough playmakers on any football team.
Is playing smart too much to ask?
I'd like to keep all of em ... but something's gotta give
OCC, you’re right, and Leon’s had some shining moments.
It all makes McGee look more expendable. But even then … 3 NTs, 5 ILBs and 11 DBs? It just doesn’t add up … I’m glad it’s not on my shoulders to make those final cuts.
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Me toooooo
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tough calls on this years cuts
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by Va_Cowboy_Fan on Sep 2, 2010 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions
McCann
is my pick, he’s got a lot up potential & upside. Gordon has 5 years in the NFL & how much more can you expect out of him before he wants a raise, he’s also just a 4th CB. the upside is Gordon could start for TNew if something happened or even Jenkins which gives him value. is Scandrick just a nicklebacker/slot guy now w/ no hopes of ever being a starter? is it me or does he seemed to have regressed some since arriving, always getting bagged up? i think we should carry 5 CBs & 5 Safetys, which i see the big battle being between McCray & Church. we could also keep 3 NTs bc no way does Brent slip through waivers w/ teams needing a good backup NT. i would also take 5 WRs so we could possibly keep the 6th safety but what about the OL or depth at TE or FB bc i like the Grokowski kid also.
this will be the hardest final cuts i’ve seen in awhile but i think most of the bubble guys that see the turk will have a shot making another teams 53 man roster.
Good Luck & may the best players win.
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by Va_Cowboy_Fan on Sep 2, 2010 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Practice squad surprise...
I say CB Teddy Williams makes the practice squad. Track level speed, raw football instincts that need some good teaching, which Campo can give. Consider him a serious possibility to get red-shirted on the practice squad. While very raw NFL-wise, he’s shown some real potential if it can coached out of him.
I think he is a no-brainer.
I hope the Cowboys agree.
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by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 1, 2010 9:59 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't like the idea of Ball being the 5th CB
that means that if a CB gets hurt, we have to shuffle 2 positions, including moving the starting S to 3rd or 4th CB in passing situations.
by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 1, 2010 10:38 AM CDT reply actions
It might be AOA slipping in there BPS.
AOA is going to be one of those guys that probably play both too.
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Dallas won't cut Brent but maybe will cut Siavii
as for Leon Williams, he’s twice as inconsistent as Jason Williams
I definitly think Brent is safer than Siavii
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Siavii can also play End
That might help his cause and force the Boys to keep both but I agree Brent over Junior.
I'd like to keep Siavii too
Brent has gotta stay. Siavii would be nice as he’s by far the biggest guy we’d have. Would be nice for goal line and NT work against grinding running teams.
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by cowboysuberfan on Sep 1, 2010 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Siavii is nice
But Brent’s youth and potential makes me want to keep him around and lose Siavii. The DE argument to me is null, because we have 2 good starters and nice depth at the position.
Do you think Butler or Williams get subbed in on pass rushing downs?
If so, who comes out? It seems like this team has a bunch of guys who could fill the pass rushing role, but only 2 out of the D-Line and OLB’s who would come out on those downs.
Ware and Ratliff are givens. Assume Bowen comes in for Olshansky, playing inside in a 4-3 or 4-2-5 nickel, then do you move Spencer down onto the line as well, replacing Spears and bring in Butler or Williams to take over the OLB spot? If so, which one?
If Brad Pitt is playing Beane who do you want playing you?
JD: Eddie Guardado.
I think they just give Spence and Ware breathers
I doubt you see them on the field w/ Spence and Ware except for special packages where we might remove a down lineman and have a bunch of LBs jumping around before the snap.
Starting nickel line is Spencer, Ratliff, Bowen and Ware
Backup maybe is Butler, Brent, Hatcher and Williams?
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by cowboysuberfan on Sep 1, 2010 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Philly is putting Dan Te'o-nesheim in at DT on clear passing down
Te’o-nesheim is in the same mold as Butler & Williams (6’3 / 265 / OLB).
Might be interesting to play Butler / Williams at DE to see if it generates more pass rush than Hatcher / Bowen.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 1, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
heres my question....
When the hell is Jason Williams going to show up?….this guy is on the verge of being a bust….i was listening to the lunch break on dc.com and they were saying there is a good chance Lee could be the nickel lb, but don’t rule out bradie or brookings….that’s crazy…it sounds like Williams is having a hard time figuring it out…
by Boyzfan94 on Sep 1, 2010 11:38 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Can you be a bust...
in the second year of being a third round pick?
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i wouldnt think so but thats what they were saying
If Williams can’t beat out two 30+ yr old lbs that’s a problem. I thought for sure and I know a lot here thought Williams was a lock to be the nickel lb once carpenter left…well….not so fast u carpenter haters…lol..wheres all the love for Williams now?
by Boyzfan94 on Sep 1, 2010 11:47 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If you can't see...
the difference between a 1st round guy and a 3rd you are hopeless.
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ah..ha..hater...
But I thought Williams was this all talented lb that would have no problem replacing carpenter? I guess u and so many were off the mark in that prediction….this guy may not even be on the team next year….
by Boyzfan94 on Sep 1, 2010 11:56 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Who said that?
I never said that.
Bradie James didn’t start making plays until his 3rd year. You are an Ohio State homer that has no bounds.
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I'm actually impressed.
Most people waiver after a bit, but you have continuously defended Carpenter.
I’m starting to think you are his barber.
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osu homer...yeah i guess...lol
How good is OSU going to be this year…wow…
by Boyzfan94 on Sep 1, 2010 12:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
What does that have to do with anything?
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osu homer...yeah i guess...lol
How good is OSU going to be this year…wow…
by Boyzfan94 on Sep 1, 2010 12:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
osu homer...yeah i guess...lol
How good is OSU going to be this year…wow…
by Boyzfan94 on Sep 1, 2010 12:25 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
that's three homers, three wow's and 18 of those little thingy's
… but still clinging to Carp’s value is still reaching
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 2, 2010 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions
He means Oklahoma State of course
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No, Oregon State.
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 2, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I never thought Williams was a lock to be the nickel LB
I just knew that your boy Barbie sucked and would eventually be replaced by somebody.
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I seemed to recall you were all over Williams jock to be the next great nickel LB and replacement for Bradie James..
If this player doesn’t show something this season we very well could be drafting a ILB with a high pick again next year
Call me crazy, but just from what I'm reading about Williams struggles and Lee not being ready..
Carpenter would still be the best option at nickel LB right now…..you haters can hate, but thats the truth…
Where Brady James in his 2nd year?
Mostly riding the pine I think. I wouldn’t give up on Butler yet, too much upside.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 1, 2010 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, I got everything wrong
Williams not Butler and was supposed to be a response not a stand alone post.
by StillHateTheGiants on Sep 1, 2010 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Brady was starting his 3rd year,Parcells 1st year with his 3-4
remember he got rid of Dexter and brought in Fergy and that bum Wiley.
…James was drafted in 03’ and was starting in 05’
Just wonder what Wade could have done with Glover @ NT
Glover couldn't have played NT.
He was a 4-3 DT in the purest sense.
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No.
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ROTFLMAO!! Well played!
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 2, 2010 1:12 AM CDT up reply actions
Maybe...
but they got Jason Furgeson when.. in 06?
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 2, 2010 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions
+1...Only in Dallas...In Philly he'd start until he was abused on the field
Sad thing is Dallas’ practice squad gets used like a $4 date in Laos,but this year they won’t even make it to the bed.
damned ... i KNEW i'd been overpaying all this time ...
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Here we go again with the safety position
As the last decade has shown. Super Bowl champions normally come with All-Pro safeties.
Number represents the # of Super Bowls won.
1.Ravens-Ron Woodson
3.Patriots- Harrison
1.Bucs- Lynch
1.Colts- Sanders. If Sanders plays I don’t believe the Saints are champs.
1.Saints-Sharper.
2.Steelers- Polamalu
The Giants are the only one.
Every team that won a Super bowl the last decade except the Giants had a multiple selection all pro safety who was established in the league. .
Will see.
How many times are you going to bring this up?
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well...crap.
We’re doomed.
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by Brandon Worley on Sep 1, 2010 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions
what does the number represent?
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 2, 2010 1:15 AM CDT up reply actions
I think you have to make a decision between McCray and Church
both are strictly strong safety’s and you have to decide which is better than the other at that position.
On special teams it is a wash. Maybe McCray is a little bit better, but that is not enough to cut a potential starter.
And McCann is both fast and has proven himself on the field during preseason. You never ever cut good CB’s. That is just GM’ing 101.
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+1
I’ve been pulling for McCann all preseason. And I agree that it makes more sense to only keep one between McCray and Church since they’re so close to being the same player.
It would be nice to be able to keep all three….I don’t think any of them deserve to NOT make the team, but something’s gotta give. I just hope it’s a safety instead of McCann. I think there’s a (slightly) better chance of actually being able to sneak 1 of them on the PS, and I would REALLY hate to see McCann take the field in a different uniform.
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As psychodad observed above:
There is a good chance several of the players the Cowboys try to put on the PS will be signed by another team before they put in one practice session.
The new mantra: No more injuries. No more injuries. Everybody now: NO MORE INJURIES!
Keep Church, Leon Williams (not Washington, Dalai), Brent, and McCann
Still don’t see Hamlin as a lock, so that’s the only place I disagree with Brandon’s list. JMHO
I also wonder if they are going to keep Siavii and Brent. Wade seems to like Siavii, and I think they have seen enough from Brent to keep him. That would mean keeping 7 DL, not totally crazy, but they usually only keep 6.
Leon Williams is only going to be a backup if he sticks as the 9th LB, but he could be a very good one. He was out of football last season, so he’s probably still working off some rust. The depth at ILB could go away quickly with Brooking and Lee both coming off injury, and Jason Williams was hurt last season. Bradie is the only one who’s an ironman.
Church and McCann have shown enough to make it. I’ll be disappointed if they get caught in the numbers crunch.
The defensive cuts are going to hurt more than the offensive ones.
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
so you're saying that Leon Washington won't make the team?
:)
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Washington still has a better chance than Lett, Holmes, and Redbone
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
by APerfectStar on Sep 2, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Leon Holmes?? Sphinx
Humor fail
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by APerfectStar on Sep 2, 2010 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions

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