Of Magpies and Dragons: The Cowboys Offensive Line Revisited
I'll begin with a dire warning found on Sixteenth-Century maps: hic sunt dracones (here be dragons)...
Now that we have been assured that Kyle Kosier and Marc Columbo are going to be in the lineup this Sunday against the Bears, it seems a bit less necessary to continue on about the offensive line. Indeed, we have beaten this particular horse to death all week; in bringing the Dallas o-line up once again, it is not my intention to hand out more cudgels. Rather, I'd like to ruminate upon the ways in which the current state of our o-line reflects a set of organizational priorities, particularly as they pertain to Jerry Jones' philosophy of talent acquisition.
In the past several years, much has been made of the Cowboys' inability to draft offensive linemen. The standard line of thought goes something like this: the Cowboys scouts don't have the ability to recognize what makes an NFL-caliber offensive lineman. As exhibit A supporting these claims, naysayers turn to the disastrous 2004 draft, when Bill Parcells reached for Jacob Rogers and Stephen Peterman, in the second and third rounds, respectively. Exhibit B, the selection of James Marten in the third round in 2007, leaves similarly bitter flavor. A trio of late-round choices, all of whom failed to develop, rounds out this chamber of drafting horrors: Rob Petitti (6th round in '05) is joined by '06 seventh rounders Pat McQuistan and E.J. Whitley. Lastly, the jury remains out on '09 third-rounder Robert Brewster and this year's sixth round selection (and, eek, James Marten clone), Sam Young.
Certainly, many of these picks haven't panned out, or have yet to pan out; this is indisputable. However, I'd like to take a longer look at the issue; I'd like to compare the success rates of Cowboys' o-line draft picks with those of the other 31 NFL teams. For the purposes of this micro-analysis, I am limiting my field to the "post-Lacewell" era: 2003-2010. My reasoning herein is that, since the departure of Larry Lacewell, the Cowboys scouting department, although comprised of more or less the same people, has undergone a philosophical shift initially instituted by Bill Parcells. A key aspect of this shift is that they have a much clearer idea of what kind of player they are looking for and, by extension, what skill set(s) they prioritize for their system(s). All this and more after the jump:
For statistical evidence, I am turning to the fine folks at Pro Football Reference. Specifically, I am using their assessment of "Career Aproximate Value," wherein they attempt to ascertain a given player's value to (in this case) his team's offense over the course of his career. Obviously, players who have a) been in the league longer or b) have been starters longer or c) have been on good teams for a greater percentage of their careers will garner a higher value rating.
So, from 2003-2009, here are the average CAVs of offensive linemen drafted in each round:
Round 1 (32 players drafted): 20.2
Round 2 (34): 16.5
Round 3 (35): 11.8
Round 4 (47): 7.6
Round 5 (45): 8.2*
Round 6 (48): 4.9
Round 6 (59): 2.7
*the fifth-round CAV appears skewed largely because of the unusual (and early) success of Patriots center Dan Koppen, selected in the fifth round in '03.
A comparison of the various Cowboys O-line "busts" is instructive. It cannot be argued that Jacob Rogers and James Marten ever lived up to their draft status; both have CAVs of zero. That said, '03 second rounder Al Johnson's CAV of 16 is nestled right in amidst the 2nd round averages, as are Stephen Peterman's 12 and Pat McQuistan's 2 for the third and seventh round averages, respectively. Although Doug Free's current CAV is a mere 4, the fact that he's now starting at LT for a (hopefully) prolific offense is sure to raise it, and probably by a goodly amount. Curiously, Rob Petitti's CAV of 9 dwarfs the average for linemen drafted in the sixth round. The upshot of this decidedly unscientific comparison is that the Cowboys success rate is more or less in accord with the average CAV for linemen drafted in the same round. What these CAV numbers suggest is that the Cowboys are generally no worse (nor no better) than other teams when it comes to selecting offensive line talent.
What is also evident is the paucity of higher round picks Dallas has spent on O-line in the past eight drafts. Other than the second rounders used to select Al Johnson and Jacob Rogers, the Cowboys have spent no "premium" picks to bolster their offensive line. Several theories have been advanced to explain this; perhaps the most plausible is that Jerry Jones wants his premium picks to contribute immediately, and the likelihood of an offensive lineman--especially one taken after about pick #20--being able to do so is minimal at best.
This doesn't mean, however, that the Cowboys haven't TRIED to draft offensive linemen with premium picks. Indeed, there have been multiple occasions in the years under consideration that the 'Boys' braintrust has placed a draft bullseye on an offensive lineman, only to have him snapped up--on a couple of occasions a mere two picks before Dallas' selection. A look at three enticing draftables who got away:
2004: Cowboys fans, haunted by the nightmare that was Troy Hambrick, were clamoring for a running back and crossing their fingers that a top flight runner--ideally, Stephen Jackson--would fall to them. When he did, the Cowboys traded the pick--a move that was greeted by stunned disbelief. As it turns out, Dallas' first round target wasn't a back, but offensive lineman Shawn Andrews, whose nimbleness (he played tackle in the rough and tumble SEC) and raw power at the point of attack had Parcells salivating. He thought there was a reasonable chance that Andrews would fall to the Cowboys, who had the 22nd pick in the first round. Sadly, Andy Reid sold the fort to trade up and corral the big tackle at #16. Andrews ultimately proved to be the king of the knuckleheads, and was therefore a perfect fit in Philadelphia. For the first few years of his career, however, he was dominant, and was rewarded with All-Pro selections in 2005-07.
A side note on the Andrews fiasco: it could be argued that Parcells was so focused on Andrews that, when the Arkansas tackle was scooped up, he panicked and, desperate for a lineman, overdrafted both Rogers and Peterman.
2006: After bagging the illustrious Bobby Carpenter in round one, the Cowboys had their sights set on Boise State's Daryn Colledge in round two. Colledge, a small school prospect with good, if not great, size (6'4", 305) and excellent feet, would have bolstered the Cowboys' interior line. However, he was gobbled up by Green Bay at # 47, two picks before the Cowboys were slated to go to the podium. A dispirited Dallas war room then traded down four spots before selecting the forgettable Anthony Fasano. Colledge has started at left guard in 62 of the Packers' 66 games since he was drafted.
2009: The Cowboys--without a first round pick--were sitting at # 51, hoping a player they liked might fall to them. Going in, they felt confident that one of the highly-rated center/ guard types--Alex Mack, Eric Wood or Max Unger--would drop into the second round. As we know all too well, the last of these three, Unger, began to fall. Suddenly, he was snapped up by Seattle, who traded up to pick him at # 49. He has started every game for Seattle since.
Why do I rehash this insidious history? I find examples wherein players who the Cowboys were targeting were scooped up a couple of picks before the Cowboys were scheduled to select to be curious, especially given the fact that Dallas--Jerry Jones in particular--has shown a willingness to wheel and deal on draft day. Often--much to the collective consternation of Cowboy fans--this means trading down. But on multiple occasions, he has traded up to get his man: in 2005's fourth round, the 'Boys moved up to get Chris Canty; in '06, they bumped up 12 spots to obtain Pat Watkins; in '07, after some draft-trade derring-do, they moved back up into the first round to tag Anthony Spencer. Twice in 2008, they moved up to get players where they saw value, climbing up three spots to get Mike Jenkins (at the cost of a fifth and a seventh) and 12 spots to select Orlando Scandrick (at the cost of another seventh). And of course, the most recent draft's trade up double-dip: moving up three and four spots to grab Dez Bryand and Sean Lee, respectively.
The larger point here is that Jerry has historically proven that he'll trade up to get a player Dallas is targeting--except, apparently, when that player is an offensive lineman. As I noted in a previous post, Jerry operates according to a "magpie" talent acquisition philosophy: he's attracted to shiny things. Splashy moves. History suggests that, to Jerry, trading up for an O-lineman doesn't make the same kind of splash. And the Cowboys have been suffering the consequences for years now, whether it be the need to acquire costly free agents (if, for example,Daryn Colledge had fallen to the Cowboys, would they have needed to sign Kyle Kosier? Leonard Davis? Perhaps one, but not both) or to rely on the Alex Barrons of the world as back up tackles.
The Cowboys' front office has collected an array of elite talent. Star power that shines brightly. Jerry wouldn't have it any other way. But this glittering dragon sports a dark, shadowy underbelly. For all our sakes, I hope this monster doesn't show its bloated, mottled belly again this season. It ain't pretty.
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You're a good writer, Tim
I enjoyed that little snack
Squish.
by Squishmytomato on Sep 17, 2010 2:12 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
TIMMAY!!!!!
Seriously, great post. Very frustrating.
Sometimes, it's the little things that make my day
Andrews ultimately proved to be the king of the knuckleheads, and was therefore a perfect fit in Philadelphia
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 17, 2010 2:24 PM CDT reply actions
nice post rabble.
comparing jerry to a magpie “hes attracted to shiny things” is spot on.
o-linemen are not a priority to him.
hope we can stay healthy on the o-line for the rest of the year.
we had better draft help on the line for the next 2 years,or else it wont matter how much talent we have .
romo wont be upright long enough to find miles-dez-witten etc.
Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!
Your "shiny things" line is so good, I have been unconsciously copying it
I have refered to his “shiny toys” in a couple of different comments.
And I only steal from the best.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
Trades are a two-way street
I hear what your saying, but it’s not enough to just want to trade up, you have to find a willing trade partner.
My point is...
..that they DIDN’T want to. For some reason, the cost of moving up seems acceptable for perimeter players and not for linemen. And that, to me, is a problem.
Absolutely.
Sooner or later they are going to have to figure out that while offensive linemen aren’t the sexy pick, they are the glue that holds the offense together. I would prefer for them to come to this realization sooner rather than later.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
That is sort of speculative though.
The reports is that they tried, now what they tossed out there and whom they tried to trade with is a mystery.
The 2009 draft as a whole was seen as one of the weaker drafts, so who knows if that was a realistic option.
I’m not saying you are totally wrong, but there is no way to know your totally right either.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
I think if Unger was drafted he would be the starting Center on this team right now
Gurode wouldve been moved to LG..that was the talk coming out after the draft.
Obviously you'll get no argument from me on this.
Good stuff.
"The Angels are like the villain in the movie that isn't dead until he's been stabbed 150 times in the bath tub, yet he still might come back up one more time." - Eric Nadel
keep this in mind
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/blog?name=schefter_adam&id=5575151
Any truth to the rumors that the Dallas Cowboys are having discussions with the Pats about acquiring Logan Mankins?
A: Don’t see it happening, Brad. The Cowboys invested an awful lot of money in Miles Austin last week, and it would cost a lot to land Mankins. … The issue is any team that wants him must compensate the Patriots and the player. The Patriots will want a fair price in return, and Mankins will want a contract that resembles the one given to New Orleans guard Jahri Evans.
and this
The best way to hide a deficiency on an offensive line is to throw. In fact, a majority of the top passing offenses last season were able to overcome at least one significant weak spot along the offensive line. The Texans were without both starting guards for most of the year. The Colts benched disappointing left tackle Tony Ugoh and relied on fringe veteran Charlie Johnson. The Saints lost Pro Bowl left tackle Jammal Brown early on and dealt with the ineptitude of an overwhelmed Jermon Bushrod. Cowboys left tackle Flozell Adams wasn’t bad, but he wasn’t good enough to keep his roster spot after the season. The Packers’ offensive line was initially in flux and gave up a whopping 37 sacks the first eight games. For the Vikings and the Eagles, left tackles Bryant McKinnie and Jason Peters both made the Pro Bowl, but only on name recognition. Study them on tape and you come away thinking both players should have been benched (McKinnie, in fact, was benched in Week 15).
I think Dallas has concluded that their cap dollar are best spent on skill players. And I tend to agree. Spend the farm on the skill guys and go with an average OL.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 17, 2010 3:00 PM CDT reply actions
...I don't disagree at all...
and that is why you have to DRAFT O-linemen. The Cowboys have paid premium $$$ for free agent linemen in recent years. They could have had the same production at a fraction of the cost had they been willing to give up a late-round pick to nab a guy they wanted.
And I agree with you...
And I feel like they need to get some of these guys developed like with Free, but just because you get a guy somewhere doesn’t even necessarily mean that he’ll succeed.
Jacob Rogers was a mid second round pick and WHIFF.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
one of my points that may have become obscured
is that all of the above guys they had their eyes on have been very successful—and immediately so.
+1
Loved the article,makes sense that the best OLineman go fast and early,by the time we get on the board it’s a reach, much easier finding players for other positions.
…I agree with save the money and give up the picks on draft day,Pretty sure Carp+Fasano picks combined would have gotten them up enough spots for something,my question is what are the chances of getting a Bernard Williams instead of a Unger or Long?
Look at your own stats tho
It goes to show that unless you are willing to spend a high draft pick on an O-Lineman, your probably not gonna get your pick’s worth. It’s also a lot harder to judge an O-Lineman’s talent and if he can handle it in the big leagues in comparison to other positions.
Olineman outside the 1st round rarely get starting positions, which the downside is you have to pay a new player almost the same amount or more than a proven lineman. So if you are gonna spend that kind of cash, why not spend it on someone PROVEN, and spend your draft picks more wisely in other positions.
Think of it akin to this: If you have a system like Dallas who is great at producing QBs, you SHOULD be drafting a QB every draft, working with them to increase their value, and then trade that player for better than what you drafted (I.E. Draft a QB 3rd round, develop them, trade them for a 2nd and 3rd, etc.). That way you might not get a starter, but at least you keep your inherent value.
by DaStarShinesBright on Sep 17, 2010 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Average Oline Might Work
. . . but you must have depth capable of at least making an effort – Dallas has had some real garbage . . . Barron is just the latest . . . when you have a Romo and you have a good stable of running backs and you have a decent starting five . . . for crying out loud, find a backup worthy of the name.
I'm only kidding,
I just like using that picture
Semper Fi Do or Die
Projected 2010 Record: 12-4. You heard it here first
the BTB debate stopper..
Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Sep 17, 2010 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Back up in your ---, with the resurrection.
Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.
by Lord Humungus on Sep 17, 2010 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Love the picture
the song from the movie is playing in my head right now…PC load letter?!@#$%^
Too Funny.
Another great analysis, rabblerousr. Couldn’t agree more. O-lineman aren’t shiny and flashy to Jerry unless they have already made their bones somewhere else. Then we pay them gobs of money to come play for us. Columbo being the exception to that statement, he was quite the reclamation project, and a successful one, if you consider that many GM’s thought his career was over after his injuries in Chicago.
We might have drafted Oher
if the movie came out beforehand! Lol. He would’ve been a shiny movie star
Semper Fi Do or Die
Projected 2010 Record: 12-4. You heard it here first
Drafting 1 starter in 8 years is unacceptable
The O-line composes 1/5th of your starters and you can only find 1 starter in 8 years? Completely unacceptable, bad drafting.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 17, 2010 4:52 PM CDT reply actions
Right aand not only that
but ignoring the fact that team should be built from the inside out.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
agreed
Look at Philly in the McNabb years (I know, I’d rather look at a moose giving birth, but bear with me here): no NFL caliber receivers, only two skill position layers of any real note (McNabb and Westbrook) and yet a prolific offense every year. Why? Because Andy Reid and Co. believe in building a team from the lines out.
+1,000,000
Almost all Superbowl winning teams have very good OL’s with decent depth.
Next draft, what I don’t want to see is us drafting a LB or TE at all !!!!!!!!!!!!! In fact, I want us to draft OL the first 3 rounds at least and worry about other positions thru FA if we have to. Spend some premium picks on the OL for a change and quit bandaiding the OL.
There is no excuse for Barron to be our first guy off the bench to replace a starter. NONE!
Talk about changing the subject
rabblerousr was talking about Philly and you then mention suberbowl winning teams … now thats what i call a change of subject :-)
by jockmeister on Sep 19, 2010 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions
there are many examples of guys we've missed out on
but I’d like to know what the scouting department thought of these guys DId they have McNeil an Loadholt, etc ranked high? then the blame goes on jerry. If not, then some blame also falls on the shoulders of our scouts.
I thought
I heard that McNeil had some back problems. That would be enough to stop me. Although he seems fine now I don’t know that I would risk a draft pick then.
yes
I believe that they had McNeill of their board because of injury concerns—which they were particularly sensitive to given what happened with Jacob Rogers.
I remember hearing
they tried to trade up for Unger. Maybe jerry wasn’t willing to give up enough.? I don’t know but thats on of many oline misteps that has hurt this team.
I personally think Jerry’s neglect of the OL has a lot to do with Romo. I think they know the current line isn’t anything special, and they don’t need to trade up for a highly ranked ol because of what Romo brings to the table, between his elusiveness and quick release – those picks are better spent on defensive players or skill position players. I don’t agree with it, but I honestly think thats part of their strategy.
It must be
there can be no other reason for ignoring a whole unit (other than insanity)….
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Definitely disappointed in this post, rousr
you had me looking for magpies in a death match with dragons and then all I get to read about is offensive linemen. It the same sort of bait and switch OCC pulls when he promises cheerleaders and delivers those squiggly things, what are they? Oh yeah, numbers.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
You're on to us, dunk
That’s our MO, the ol’ bait ‘n’ switch. We learn it from Dave as part of our training!
A bit of blue sky optimism
Maybe now Jerry has all the shiny things he needs. Looks like the key skill positions are all in good shape, so now he can spend some draft choices on the line. We can at least hope.
Oh, sorry about misspelling “squiggly” just above. But that was a funny line, dunk.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
problem is next years o-linemen available will be thin at best, brodus doesnt think there will be many in the 1 st round....
maybe we might be wise to hand our no 1 for a good olinemen …
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
Never trade your #1 pick
the years have proven its too valuable.
Was Roy Williams worth trading a 1 for? Was Galloway worth trading even a single 1 for?
The #1 is so critical, trading it away is always a fool’s bargin.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 18, 2010 1:58 AM CDT up reply actions
100% in agreement,
DO NOT TRADE THE NO 1 PICK.
Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Sep 18, 2010 7:19 AM CDT up reply actions
worst for me is Loadholt
yeah Unger too but I never really wanted him I wanted Loadholt
instead we pass and trade down to take Jason Williams……who has not developed into squat
that pick looks awful right now
the whole 2006 draft too
too many OL we missed that year
next year get me 2 guys please
Demarcus Love and Mike Pouncey
or Demarcus Love and Orlando Franklin or Marcus Cannon
either combo of those guys and we are f;n set
by Archie Barberio on Sep 17, 2010 7:04 PM CDT reply actions
2009 was a disaster
You can look at nearly every pick and, in hindsight, you can say another player would have been better. Is there any doubt that Jason Witten would be a 1st round pick today?
But what makes the 2009 decision so bad is that there were 4 good options, and we decided to punt and take the 5th option.
Phil Loadholt is the most accomplished, but 3 other linemen were taken between the time we traded down, and when we made our selection:
Sebastian Vollmer
William Beatty
Andy Levitre
All 4 are starters on their team. ALL FOUR were starters. If we stay at our #2 pick and just randomly pick any of them we get an NFL starter.
Instead we trade down and pick up the scraps. We pick up Robert Brewster who is so underdeveloped even today he can’t beat out the horrid Alex Barron for the backup job.
Today the Cowboys are talking about spelling Colombo in the game against the Bears and Brewster doesn’t even enter the discussion… it’s all about Barron spelling Colombo. Brewster is so bad that he can’t even take a backup tackle job being handed to him on a silver platter by Barron’s amazingly bad play. Meanwhile, Loadholt is a fixture of Minnesota’s long-term plans.
That’s what makes the 2009 draft decision a disaster we’ll still be taking about a half-decade from now, in my opinion.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 18, 2010 2:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I can only cringe when I think what DalaiLuke would have done with a player named
“Levitre”…
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
thats the problem
i love Victor Butler he is a good player John Phillips as well
if Buehler works out then thats great too
but Mike Hamlin Brandon Williams Jason Wiliams those guys have not amounted to anything
thinking i could have Loadholt at RT right now is sickening
by Archie Barberio on Sep 18, 2010 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
When we drafted J Williams our LBing corp was the weak link on the team!
We didn’t have Brooking and Carp was our back-up and Z Thomas was a bad fit. Our ST play was also horrible,so we went for speedy LBs to play ST and get ready to be starters.Brewster was a well thought of OL even if we reached and we had Bright,McQ,Proctor,and Preston (I am sure I missed somebody).We had people in the pipeline for OL and our starters looked good. IMO the last couple of games in ’08,when the Ravens broke through and ran for 2 tds and the Phil game that was a nightmare,showed a drastic need for quick LBs to fill in on nickle and STs was the catalyst. COWBOYS!!!
Wade Phillips first Super Bowl win is as the Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys!!!
by NVCowboy4Life on Sep 19, 2010 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Catalyst for the '09 draft,
and our STs being so crappy is why we got Buehler also.
Wade Phillips first Super Bowl win is as the Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys!!!
by NVCowboy4Life on Sep 19, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't Forget the Free Agents
Max Birk could have been signed; giving Dallas a true one two punch at center and allowing Gurode to slide to right guard in a injury setting allowing Bigg to play right tackle. Not perfect but better than relying up Costa and Brewster and Young and Barron; all four of which suck and none can be counted on to give Dallas a championship push if needed; it is fairly depressing
Here's the dilemma:
Let’s assume there’s a season next year. Let’s further assume Jerry does what most on here want and drafts O-linemen with his first three picks. How many of the three guys would be instant starters next year? One? Given our track record, even that may be optimistic.
So unless we already have the future O-linemen on the roster to replace the current starters, shoring up the o-line will only happen via free agency. Then of course the legitimate question becomes:
If you’re going to go after free agents anyway, why wait until March next year?
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 18, 2010 2:11 AM CDT reply actions
Because there will be 2 years worth of unrestricted free agents
the CBA made a lot of players restricted free agents this year, playing on one year tenders.
The hope is that now there will be 2 years worth of free agents out there that the Cowboys can grab.
Looking at the numbers, the Cowboys should have lots of money to throw around
Leonard Davis (6), Andre Gurode (6), Marion Barber (5), and Roy Williams (13) combine for $30 million in salary next year… that’s a lot of money Jerry can use to bring in some nice new blood should he cut the old-timers.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 18, 2010 2:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Very good points
Let’s keep our fingers crossed then.
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 18, 2010 6:30 AM CDT up reply actions
great points blue,
hope you are correct.
Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Sep 18, 2010 7:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Wonder if Flozell might have made a difference in Game #1?
He couldn’t have made it any worse.
Wharter
well next year
there are a bunch of guys that fit our scheme
the guy I really like is DeMarcus Love from Arkansas
then say we draft him and take one of the following
Mike Pouncey Flordia
Orlando Franklin Miami
Justin Barren Ohio State
Marcus Cannon TCU
I think Demarcus Love can come in and start and I also think a combo of these guys goes a long way in reshaping our line
Free is the golden piece to keep but adding these 2 other rookies I know we could fix our problems on the OL
look at the Niners, two good OL and that line will be set for years
by Archie Barberio on Sep 18, 2010 12:22 PM CDT reply actions

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