Try Something new on offense?
The running game:
I'm not going to bash JG for not running the ball, although his game plans the last two Sundays have been hard to stomach (13 points). But How about this:
Pick a RB. it's simple, pick a starting running back pick a lead back and pick one of the guys who you think will actually carry the team. I know we have three guys who can play, but the reality is only one of them can touch the ball each play. if we give Marion 8 and Felix 8 and Choice 3 none of them have a chance to get into a rhythm. None of them really touch the ball enough for the odds to be in their favor to make a huge play. The running game has looked atrocious. So why not pick a guy, give him the keys and watch what happens. If it doesn't work, oh well it can't get worse, and if it does maybe we have a lead back headed into the future. I personally see no upside in starting Marion Barber. I love barber. But, I truly believe he is the least talented back in our stable. If you watched the end of last year, you will remember Felix tearing it up down the stretch Felix is big enough to be a starting tailback he is 6-0 and weighs over 220 so I really don't get why people think he can't handle the rock 20+ times a game. People say "he has an injury history" So does Adrian Peterson who only weighs 217 according to NFL.com, an yet he handles a huge load offensively.
If you think Choice is the best option and most complete. fine, thats okay too, I like choice he's a good player who has a healthy ypc ave. But I think it is time Dallas tries something new and picks a lead running back. Not that the other guys can't get touches, but pick one guy and give him around 18+ touches a game and maybe the run game can get going.
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Barber was actually running the ball reasonably well until we got away from it. Jones looked really bad against the Bears.
Barber and Choice should be our traditional running backs while Jones should be used on 3rd downs as a receiver and draw runner. The guy simply isn’t that good when you run him up the middle. Your getting away from his strengths which are speed and getting to the outside.
it's not Jones that look bad against the Bears it's the ....
OLINE…no where to run except to the side lines????
the type of run plays Garret calls
differs depending on the back in the game. with Barber he lets the oline go forward and use strength. With Jones, Garrett calls for the line to pull etc. Our oline seems not to do well when they have to use quickness to get around. Against the bears fast LBs it was especially challenging. In my opinion, Garrett does not utilize our weapons wisely.
by RisingSunCowboy on Sep 21, 2010 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions
I agree Jack
It’s Felix that should be our 3rd down back, not Tashard. Felix should also be out there as slot reciever alot also. Tashard should be used as an every down back, while MB3 down near the goal line exclusively. This way, you are using the RB’s at what they do best, and forget about trying to re-invent the wheel.
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by DallasPalace on Sep 21, 2010 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Maybe not one
but playing 3 backs significant time seems stupid to me. Felix didn’t even have a chance much of the game – there were 2 guys in the backfield all the time.
Brandon’s new post stated that when felix had the ball, we would move our olineman around, which led to mistakes being made and guys blowing plays up in the backfield.
re: the bears' contention that our receivers played scared yesterday...
it’s occurred to me that maybe last year, following that punishing hit that RW took at denver, roy was a tad skittish when the ball came his way. have not seen this addressed, but sure seems he might only now be over it, ‘cause his play has improved this year. what’s sad is, it hasn’t made a diff in the win column. which stinks. we might just be snake-bit, ‘cause we’re moving the heck outta the ball, yet the pts issue from last year remains.
It's about time this team plans around their limitations
If they can’t run the ball then don’t. Go 3 wide and go with the quick outs, screens and all of that shit.
by Cowboysaficionado on Sep 20, 2010 11:10 PM CDT reply actions
I'd like to see them run with Felix as the #1 too.
Barber and Choice can spell him when needed and be the third down backs.
Felix played some very nice games getting 15-20 touches late last year and I’m puzzled as to why he hasn’t been a feature player early this year.
And by the way, Felix is 5’10" not 6’0".
Running Felix as the #1
will not end up good. Sure, they should use him more than they do, but he is not the kind of back to use everydown. Plus, you shouldn’t be puzzled at all that Garrertt doesn’t funnel the offense through any RB, for after all, he doesn’t prefer to, and he has all those recievers he loves that he had Jerry go get that he has to cater to, and we all know how he likes to pass.
Well, at least we know all the opponents Dcoordinators know he loves to pass.
But, I guess my “guessing” about Garrett borders on “Bizzare”, as you would put it.
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by DallasPalace on Sep 21, 2010 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Your whole post is, yet again, pure speculation and an attempt to frame my opinion as something I never said.
I’ve never seen a worse poster than you when it comes replying to what people actually say.
I remember when you where spouting these exact same things early last year when we were struggling and then you disappeared from the blog for several weeks when we started winning and winning well.
Then of course you reappeared after those losses early December and started spouting all your same old stuff again. Then you disappeared again when we turned it around and finished the season strong.
Now we’ve started the season struggling and you’re back. Spouting the same old stuff again and simply never ever providing anything other than your own mind as proof of your theories. Yawn.
I can’t wait until we start winning again so I don’t have to see you pop up in almost every single thread posting the same grasping theories and then resorting to straw man arguments against anyone who actually bothers to directly challenge your statements.
Using Felix as an every down back..speculation?
Okay mr. “You never debate issues, your just insane Dallaspalace”
Is it just speculation I have that Felix was never an everydown back?
I got news for you- If we start winning, I’ll still be here posting, bringing up important issues, and hashing them out with people. Just go ahead and keep yawning, and hoping things get better, while some of us have watched the same thing for years and ask the question of how can this go on. You even writing what you did shows that you think the problem the team has is just temporary. I hope for all of us fans it is, but excuse me for not agreeing. And just what is it you are challenging about my posts? It’s more like you just don’t like the topic, so you just get angry, then yawn again.
Grow up Luke. I always liked reading your posts, and I hope to get back to that someday when you stop criticizing me, and actually come up with some real “challenges” to my posts rather than attacks.
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by DallasPalace on Sep 21, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Mate, several times previous I have directly challenged your points and you ignore them for straw man replies.
That is the issue here.
I don’t see any point in directly challenging your points anymore because you simply avoid and obfuscate every time I do.
The first time you actually reply directly to things I’ve said without putting words in my mouth, just once, I’ll drop this whole argument and happily debate you on the issue. Until then I’m sorely tempted to just straw man argument your posts for my amusement.
Good
That will just show how childish you are in treating a fellow Cowboy fan’s opinion about the team. When will that end for you, and more importantly, how will that make you feel?
Challenge me again. I will welcome it, and reply fervently and with respect. I will not look to belittle your facts or post attacks, like you have done. I have read many of your posts Luke, and I have always considered your intellect high, but i don’t understand your anger on my opinion about the offense/Garrett.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Sep 21, 2010 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
For the tenth time, it's not about Garrett.
My issue with you is not about Garrett.
For proof of this, I dunno, maybe just for a novelty, you could try checking the things I’ve actually said in this thread.
And just so that you know Luke
I saw enough about the decisionmaking Garrett has made for the offense 2 years ago. I’ve had it with him, for a long time. So if you are going to try, with stats, to prove something about the offense and his performance, bear in mind that for this team, stats were never the problem. We should have already maybe won 2 super bowls over the last 3 years.
Here is what you should remember when it comes to mr. strawman, as you call me.
How many more teams will I see have a miraculous turnaround, and win it all, and come from out of nowhere, and have a coach take them all the way, while our offense continues it’s mediocrity and underachieving because of philosiphy, drafting, and decisionmaking?
and a better question yet would be, who would you hold accountable for that Luke?
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by DallasPalace on Sep 22, 2010 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Crikey, you're simply amazing.
I’m not calling you "Mr Straw man". I never said anything like that!! Is English a second language for you? Seriously, there’s must be some sort of language or mental barrier here.
The "Straw man argument" is a term given to an informal fallacy that misrepresents an opponents position.
At the end you ask a question. Why should I bother answering it when no matter how detailed and thorough I make my response you will just reply with something I never said (yet again).
I'm laughing so hard, because I've dealt with some of the very same things you're talking about.
This time, I’m glad it’s you and not me.
Hahaha,
It’s pretty funny isn’t it.
I know there’s a couple of other people at other times who’ve made similar comments about this too.
I have seriously tried to show Palace why what he’s doing is inappropriate but it’s like he doesn’t read all the posts or simply can’t comprehend them. The worst part is Palace actually sounds like a pretty friendly and decent guy and I don’t really want to keep arguing with him but his debate methods are absolutely maddening!!!
Actually, you know what...
…I’m tired of trying to deal with you politely. I’ve tried probably 5 or 6 times over the last year to get you to debate the points you raised and every time you’ve gone straight to the straw man and ignored anything I’ve actually said to you. Now your finding my comments to others and again spouting nonsense replies to me that barely cover what I said and instead return to your "Garrett is Satan incarnate" theories that when I’ve tried try to debate you on you won’t acknowledge and instead go straw man.
So from now on I’m going to comment to you in principle the same way you comment to me.
As far as I'm Concerned
Your posts are the ones that spew the same rhetoric and nonesense, such as:
“Straw man arguments”
“Garrett is Satan”
You know Luke, you really gottaa tone your anger down. Just because someone doesn’t have the same opinion on something as you, doesn’t mean you have to go insane about it. You don’t like the topic- don’t reply, it’s as simple as that.
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by DallasPalace on Sep 21, 2010 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Seriously let's get to the bottom of this so we don't have to continue to lower the standard of the blog with this argument.
Do you know what a straw man argument is and do you understand why it is an unacceptable debate tactic?
If you’re not sure, please go to 5Blings "Clarity" thread where you (for about the 6th time) replied to me with a straw man line of reasoning. I clearly pointed out in my reply what a straw man argument is and how you used it (you of course did not reply to that post).
I’m being perfectly serious here, why do you constantly misrepresent peoples positions? Please see my reply to your comment to PerfectStar for more.
Drop it Luke
Straw man arguments is just your opinion- even Blings told you so. Just live with it and move on. They are legitimate, even if you don’t agree.
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by DallasPalace on Sep 21, 2010 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually you're once again wrong.
Blings was mistaken and retracted his earlier comment.
Anyway, 5Blings is not the issue here. The "Straw man argument" isn’t up for debate. It’s a real thing with a real definition and that isn’t a matter of opinion, it’s a fact.
Oh, he retracted it, I see Luke
Look, you believe Garrett is a good OC.
I believe Garrett is not a good enough OC for the Dallas Cowboys. let’s leave it at that, and drop it, ok? Just accept that everyone doesn’t have your perspective on things.
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by DallasPalace on Sep 21, 2010 11:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for acknowledging my point.
I’ve got to say though the rest is an attempt to shift the debate.
I’ve said about 10 times now in this thread what I’m annoyed about and it wasn’t you not liking Garrett.
It doesn’t bother me at all that you don’t think Garrett is good enough to be our offensive coordinator. That’s fine, there’s many people on this blog who agree with you and you don’t see me arguing with them endlessly.
The difference is they don’t straw man argument me when I talk to them and debate about it. You do and that’s what I’ve been reacting to and yet you still won’t clearly acknowledge it.
For the sake of everyone else here I’m going to let it go for now. Hopefully the next time we see each others comments and decide to reply we can focus solely on football and address solely what the person actually said in his post.
Hopefully the next time we talk we’re discussing a victory.
Bye for now.
Just pick 1....
in most games it really doesn’t matter,if you play video games I’m sure you’ve seen the Gamespot comercial were the the Halo player see’s his reflection and stops fighting to see how he looks holding all his different weapons only to turn around to find he’s surrounded by the enemy,welcome to Cowboys 2010.
I agree with this suggestion 100%
Either MB3 or Felix need to start gettting a much bigger split of the carries. It’s clear the RB’s don’t have a chance to get in any sort of rhythm when they are going in and coming out so often. I think this definitely makes a big difference by the time they get to the 3rd and 4th Q and the running game dries up.
Right now I think MB3 looks very good, he’s healthy, he looks quicker, and he’s got more experience as the starting RB. Felix has looked bigger and not as quick as last season. If that’s because he hasn’t adjusted to the new wt. yet, maybe they can reduce his touches now and let MB3 get first crack at being the main guy, while Felix tries to get more comfortable with the extra bulk.
But Felix is still the bigger threat to turn a 5 yd run into a 20 yd run, so if he’s the future, maybe they should let him start taking the majority of carries. He’s gotten better as a receiver, and can still be a threat in open space.
Either way, one or the other. Let’s hope Jerry, Wade and Garrett can all agree that this idea is worth implementing soon.
"I have a feeling that when the lights come on, he's going to respond." - Coach Wade Phillips on rookie WR Dez Bryant being ready for prime time.
If you look at College careers
Only Choice was an every down back. He had a very productive college career, and is an all-purpose back. Nothing against Felix- I love him- but he has never been an every down back. Barber wasn’t an every down back either. The last time we tried changing a situational RB into an every down back, well.. his name is Marion Barber III. Can any of you say that we have the same kind of productive RB in Barber since he had those 11 TD’s that year he split carries with Julius? As far as Felix is concerned, I believe it is a big mistake that that Garrett doesn’t consider him a slot reciever/RB. Now that Crayton is gone, who better to fill that slot too? Think of it- Felix replaces Roy Williams…
Tashard has already proven he can carry the load as an every down back- just think of the Pitt game at the end of the season 2 yrs. ago- he ran effectively against the no. 1 defense, and had a great game against the Giants the week before. The reason why alot of people talk about starting Felix is political. Use the players for what they are good at (simple). I would think that your biggest focus on offense shouldn’t be forcing passes, but forcing defenses to respect your RB’s. This is not a priority to Garrett, and that is why defenses force the Cowboys into being one dimensional (no run, or RB’s involved). This has to change for the offense to start clicking. You would think that the OC would be trying to get Felix and Tashard the ball in the open field, because that is what the focus should be. Forget about just handing the ball off to them, and then say “see, that was a running play, so our run doesn’t work, so I’ll just pass..”
I say “forget about the WR’s”. Why, you ask? “They will get theirs, and anyways, do you see the Cowboys having problems moving the ball through the air? No, so don’t worry about that.”
You say “the WR’s will whine and complain.”
I say “They will anyways, and furthermore, they’re whining and complaining is ok as long as we are wallowing in victory. Are you saying that they wouldn’t give up a few passes each to have victory instead? Of course they would. Garrett is catering to all the WR talent, rather than running an offense to victory (pardon the pun)”
APerfectstar, you know deep down that I am not saying this becasuse I am crazed about Tashard Choice, I say it because it’s what he does well. between the 20’s, leave Tashard in there. If Felix was the type of back to make plays up the middle too with consistency, than I would be advocating him to be the starter and everydown back. We don’t need Emmitt, we just need an effective running game so we can make a defense respect the run, even if it only 3 yards per play. I am not Garrett, trying to make someone into something they are not. This way, Barber goes back to his effective role of punching it in when we are in the red zone, throw Felix in there at the same time as a reciever, and our redzone O will improve greatly. There really is no need to give defenses an advantage anymore. This is what our offensive coordinator should be thinking like, rather than trying to force more passes while defenses know this. Every defense in the NFL has capable players anymore.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Sep 21, 2010 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
You're incredible.
Please show me where APerfectStar said "the WR’s will whine and complain". I mean you’ve actually quoted the guy as saying something that HE DID NOT SAY!!
What part about this being wrong don’t you understand.
a) Straw man arguments are wrong.
b) Endless rhetorical questions are stupid.
c) Having a serious conversational debate with yourself filling both roles, 1 as yourself and then 2 as another person, is actually quite crazy.
Your posts always consist of at least one of the above a,b,c trio and sometimes all three.
In all seriousness, perhaps you have some sort of mental problem (schizophrenia?) and it contributes to your confused posting. If so, I apologize for getting on your case but if you do suffer from such a condition I think you should probably tell the blog so we can take that into consideration when we read your comments.
Ps. Apologies to APerfectStar, I’m not trying to drag you into this.
Luke
If you have a problem with my posts, don’t read or reply to them. I’m not someone that just started blogging her this year or last, so have some respect. I have had this same sort of debate with APerfectstar before. The only person that seems confused here is you. The rhetorical questions mimmick a debate we had about a year ago, so i don’t have to explain that to you.
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by DallasPalace on Sep 21, 2010 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions
The moment you show me respect...
…by addressing what I’ve actually said and not misrepresenting it I will extend you the same courtesy.
Until then I’m under no obligation to treat your posts seriously or make any attempt to accurately portray your position. An eye for an eye.
Also Aperfectstar
If they start using Felix and Tashard alot more, and take away starting duties from MB3, how much you want to bet that when we use him down near the goal line, not only will our red zone offense improve, we will see the Barbarian of old, because he will be trying to fill his role- and that was his best role by the way. The football gods cursed us the day we took him from that role. Keep him fresh so that we can have that in the red zone once again, and let’s not mess with something that works.
“Don’t try fixing something that ain’t broke”
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by DallasPalace on Sep 21, 2010 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
In regards to Luke Aperfectstar
If the commentary above offends you, i apologize. I am not trying to put words in your mouth by it, just showing you my perspetive on questions about my opinion, and since we have had debates regarding the run offense/Garrett in the past, I wanted to show you why I would have such an opinion. You may or may not have had those questions arise in your opinion, I don’t know. You may think it is dumb for me to answer my own rhetorical questions, and that I don’t know. What I do know is that you know me as consistent- I’ve been harping on the run game, Garrett, The Oline, playcalling, blah blah blah, for a long time. And making that fanpost was not an attempt to put words in your mouth, just get you to respond about the topic and hear your opinion. One thing that is not debateable, and I know you won’t try- is that the run offense has to come around, or else Garrett is committing suicide. My opinion on Garrett, Felix, Tashard, Mb3, are really secondary to that reality.
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by DallasPalace on Sep 22, 2010 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Sir Winston Churchill said...
A fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject.
Here's a Churchill quote for you Bishopwest....
“Everyone has his day, and some days last longer than others”
Your stats are informative, your commentary good, but you just can’t get over the fact that some people don’t see things the way you do. You believe Garrett should be the next head coach, I believe Garrett sucks.
If you are calling me a Fanatic about the Dallas Cowboys- thank you. I can live with that, and have since I became a fan in 1970. If you are angry and looking to vent because the team is not doing well- you should be after the way the offense has performed.
Maybe someday you will come to the reality that it wasn’t the players, but the philosiphy, scheme, and leadership that was suspect.
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by DallasPalace on Sep 23, 2010 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions
Corrections:
but you just can’t get over the fact that some people don’t see things the way you do.
Yes I can.
You believe Garrett should be the next head coachNo I don’t.
calling me a Fanatic about the Dallas CowboysNo I’m not.
If you are angry and looking to ventNo I’m not
come to the reality that it wasn’t the playersYes it is.
These are not corrections
just your opinion, which does change by the way Bishopwest. You don’t want me to quote you what you wrote about Garrett on another thread, do you? I mean, you did write that he should be the next coach, did you not?
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by DallasPalace on Sep 23, 2010 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions
Wow
I go away for one day and miss all this, figures.
I’m not offended, just a little confused, I don’t remember our previous discussion, but just to clarify my take on the RB’s.
I’m OK, with any of the 3 getting a larger majority than currently the way the carries are divided. I left Choice out because I think he’s got the least chance of being chosen because he’s already got the 3rd down RB job, and the wildcat plays. But he could probably handle it as well as the other 2.
I just think it’s time to let one of the 3 really become the “starter” and be allowed to stay in for entire possessions to let them get into the flow of the game. The other 2 RB’s would still get touches, for instance, Felix starts and ends up with 15-20 touches for the game, Choice is the 3rd down back the entire game, plus wildcat duties, and MB3 can be goal line and short distance plus the closer in the 4thQ when Dallas needs to eat clock and seal a victory.
Just some plan whereby the “starter” whoever that is, can get into a flow. It would also help Romo and the OL.
Garrett is switching the guys in and out too often, is the bottom line, and I think it’s a worthy idea to consider not switching them in and out so often. At least try it and see what the effect would be.
"I have a feeling that when the lights come on, he's going to respond." - Coach Wade Phillips on rookie WR Dez Bryant being ready for prime time.
by APerfectStar on Sep 23, 2010 7:22 AM CDT up reply actions
Welcome back Aperfectstar
During your absense, you became a focal point of a heated debate about our offense. Maybe you should Chime in like this, or just take days off more often. Anything to get pressure on the leadership, get the juices flowing, and put pressure on people to perform. One thing is for sure- if it has come to that, then maybe leadership really is dropping the ball, eh? Maybe finally, some of these people that are saying things are ok will see the light, and realize it’s not on the players, because to alot of these posters, itseems like they always harp on “Player execution” and that the leadership is not responsible. Ludicrous, if you ask me.
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by DallasPalace on Sep 23, 2010 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions
Or Maybe,
two backs can get 15-20 carries each EVERY game. I dont think the rotation is the problem. Its how we do it.
by RisingSunCowboy on Sep 21, 2010 9:47 PM CDT reply actions
interesting concept
Nick Eatman over at the team’s website wrote a similar article. He thinks Garrett tries to get too many players involved when instead we should be getting just 2 or 3 players the ball.
I don’t know if I agree with him though because NO does a great job of getting the ball to many different players over the course of a game.
In Romo we Trust
The argument goes both ways.
If Garrett had used only a few players thus far this season and we were still 0-2, all the complainers would be saying that he ought to get more players involved.
There is a fine balance
and even you know this Bishop.
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