Roy Williams WR -- the mistake that keeps on giving
by VAfan on Sep 3, 2010 11:55 AM CDT
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PrintAfter the Cowboys drafted Dez Bryant, the Cowboys should have cut Roy Williams this offseason because it wouldn’t have caused them any cap hit.
Now they have compounded the problem by preparing to cut Patrick Crayton. If you look at the stats from last season, Patrick had one less catch than Roy, but gained more yardage. He had 5 TDs to 7 for Roy. Roy fumbled, Patrick didn’t. Compare yourself.
Player G Rec Yds Yd/G Avg Long TDs Fum Fum Lost
R. Williams 15 38 596 39.7 15.68 66t 7 1 1
P. Crayton 16 37 622 38.9 16.81 80t 5 0 0
Crayton also contributed on special teams by averaging 12.1 yards per punt return, his highest total ever. He also broke a couple for TDs.
Player G Ret FC Yds Avg Long TDs
P. Crayton 16 36 23 437 12.1 82t 2
Then there’s this:
Incomplete Pass Information
Targets Drops Percent Caught Percent First Down
86 8 44.2 33.7
Incomplete Pass Information
Targets Drops Percent Caught Percent First Down
67 4 55.2 40.3
Guess which one is Roy and which is Patrick? Of course the first is Roy.
To sum up, Roy catches 1 more ball despite being thrown 19 more balls, for fewer yards and a lower average, two more TDs, but a turnover that Patrick didn’t have, for a lower percentage of first downs, and he doesn’t play special teams, where Crayton was by far the best punt returner, and at 12.1 yards per return, he ranked 3rd in the NFL.
Objectively speaking, you would have to keep Patrick Crayton over Roy Williams. When you factor in that Patrick outperforms Roy for a tiny fraction of his salary, it is pretty ridiculous. But this is what happens when the owner goes all in for a player that turns out to be a big mistake. Maybe Dez Bryant can stay healthy and relegate Roy to #3 receiver, where he’ll produce almost as well as Patrick Crayton, and the whole thing will be a wash. Albeit with a lot of wasted money by the Cowboys that needs to be invested in the Offensive line.
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I do not agree even a little
Roy was the outside reciever and Crayton was the slot reciever. Crayton had an advantage going against third corners or even safeties, Roy usually drew the #1 conrner and Miles got doubled. Crayton benifited from playing with Roy not the other way around.
I think the failure last year was moreTony Romo than Roy Williams. Roy gets open but consistantly gets bad passes from Tony. Why Tony has gotten a pass on this is beyond me.
Roy Williams is way more talented than Patrick Crayton, he does have #1 reciever skills and Patrick is stuck somewhere between a bad two or a good three.
I get really tired of these threads.
Bad passes that slip through fingers ..
bounce off his helmet and chest pads? Seriously? I think the lack of synchronicity between Romo and Williams has more to do with Roy running bad routes, and doing so at very inconsistent speeds. These issues aren’t nearly as pronounced with Tony’s other WR’s for a reason.
by NerdVernacular on Sep 3, 2010 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Crayton has posted similar numbers as the #2
Crayton wasn’t always the slot guy.
The fact is, if Dez Bryant is even close to being a star, then Roy Williams is the #3 receiver on our team as soon as they let Crayton go. And if the reason to let Crayton go is finances, then Roy Williams is the guy to let go because he’s no better than Crayton.
You can’t say he’s more “talented” unless he can prove it on the field. Crayton has never been the most talented guy, but he’s always produced at the level he’s being paid. Roy had one decent year. Otherwise, he’s been an overpaid #3 level receiver.
Crayton benefitted from Toy Roy being on the field?
HHHHAAA HHHHAAAAA HHHAAA HHHAAA
Poor Roy, everyone hates him, no one loves him, underpaid overlooked .
Sigh
Crayton has been our #2 productive receiver every year for the past 5
catches, TDs, Yards
you screwed the pooch on this remark norm
Alum? Student? Faculty? Season ticket holder?
I think the failure last year was moreTony Romo than Roy Williams. Roy gets open but consistantly gets bad passes from Tony. Why Tony has gotten a pass on this is beyond me.
You make it sound like Tony is out there intentionally blowing games with the hope that Roy gets cut!?
There has to be some allegiance to UT here, you constantly defend one of the largest disappointments currently in the NFL.
in defense of musiccitynorm
i also have seen a lot of passes from romo to roy, something i briefly discussed in another comments with other guys, so we’re not the uniques who have seen that,
And Crayton benefiting from Roy?
I didn’t mean it to be an attack on musiccitynorm…I like his articles, but at some point, all the UT faithful are going to have to realize Roy E. Williams is a complete fraud.
Hmm hard to say whos at fault
In the preseason looked like Romo and all the WRs were on the wrong page for parts of it. I do think Roy has the tools to be a better WR than Crayton physically, but I don’t think he will ever be the type that is so connected to Romo that when a play breaks down he gets open like Crayton did. But I don’t think Roy will even be very relevant after the bye when Dez is starting
by nicholas.rodriguez on Sep 3, 2010 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions
yeah i think he's not good
but also i think he receives a lot of heat from irrational fans, sorry if you get offended, but it’s the true, i bet from his 86 targets and his 44.5 % of catch at least 15 can be counted on bad throws, mainly first 6 games of last season, you simply got a useful recipient of frustration, i didn’t discussed crayton benefeting from roy, but a ctually i think is a good point, in a lot of games roy got with the top corner of the other team, they knew that would dissapear him, so getting him with the top and austin double teamed leaves crayton withe nickel corner or maybe safety or linebacker
well in resume i get your point with william being a dissapointment but i also found irritating all this fan anger which put all black or white, why don’t you count his 7 TD? actually a pretty good number
Good point
But how many bad throws were actually placed were they should have been and the WR was off on the route?
I am not the expert on QB / WR subtleties, but hard to believe one WR gets so many bad throws when others get perfect strikes, gotta be something there.
All in all I would be the happy to be wrong guy if they connect and Roy becomes a productive 2.
But we will know for real if Dez passes Roy like Austin did.
Then it can’t be the QB, or the scheme, or the lights, wind, etc.
Bottom line I want to win (well I want the ‘Boys to win, in spite of my screaming in the stadium once or twice a year and my superstitions while watching at home I don’t really believe I contribute)
i explained the possible why on other entry, i wopuld search for it an put it here
but for example, the pass in which roy got injured in denver’s game, what has to do the route on what clearly was a hight throw
here it its
i think the romo it’s pretty responsible for the roy willie mess, he simply doesn’t make good throws to him, i think he is hesitant when throwing a t him, sure is a product of roy running bad routes some time ago, but now i see him running better so romo has to notice the difference between now and before, now roy is running good routes, so romo has to thrown the ball without hesitating, that’s a mental issue he hasn’t overcome, he keeps thinking too much when throwing at roy, he throws high, low, too strong, too vanilla, etc., just send the pass to the point, if roy isn’t there, there wouldn’t be a single reason to apologize for him and finally dez will see his turn imminently, as i see it, in both cases we’ll win
so my point is romo thinking too much when throwin at roy, he should overcome that and throw as would do with any receiver, other guy suggested maybe he has somethin with roy, and i hope no but could be come kind of revenge because roy kindof supported TO back on 2008
I agree there has to be some hesitation by Romo to blame, but
the good/great WRs are known for bailing out their QBs on bad throws or giving QBs that ability to ‘throw a ball up and let the WR go get it’ Roy should be one of those WRs. He sometimes shows flashes of that, but it is quite inconsistent.
It's pretty difficult to call a guy who had a 43.5% Success Rate on catches dependable
Dependable is a guy that is going to be where you need him and going to make the play when you need him, ex: Jason Witten.
Roy constantly breaking up interceptions.
That he almost caused in the first place is the NFL equivalent of the over the back foul on rebounds in the NBA. Too bad Roy can’t foul out.
No, you made some crap up about Tony punishing Roy for supporting TO back in 2008
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LOL, right...
Well when Dez comes in and has a greater success rate than 43.5% I guess that means Tony just likes Dez more?
Dependabilty at it’s finest…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBu7DdNqTCs
At the 20 sceond mark
I wanna pause the video, jump through my screen, pull his helmet off, and backhand the crap out of him. I hate that stupid smile when he drops a pass… Hopefully we don’t see it this year
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all the UT faithful are going to have to realize Roy E. Williams is a complete fraud.
chill with the hyperbole.
or prove the hyperbole if you want.
RW is not a complete fraud. RW is a middle of the pack #2. I’m right, so I’m not going to waste time marshalling the evidence.
If you want to show otherwise put together a list of the #2 WRs in the NFL and tell me where RW fits?
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 3, 2010 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Im not even a college fan and i live in Tennessee where they think
Texas would never play in the sec because they like winning games.
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 4, 2010 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions
He IS a slightly below middle of the pack #2(around 18th most productive I'd say. Paid like a #1. That is fraudulent.
So, I need to prove to you and the other 25% of this blog on why Roy is a huge disappointment? Please. All the below #2 were more productive than Roy.
49ers – Michael Crabtree-
Bears – Devin Hester-
Bengals – Laverneous Coles-
Bills – Lee Evans-
Broncos – Jabar Gaffney+
Cardinals – Anquan Boldin+
Chargers – Malcolm Floyd+
Colts – Austin Collie+
Dolphins – Greg Camarillo+
Eagles – Jeremy Maclin+
Falcons – Michael Jenkins-
Giants – Mario Manningham+
Jaguars – Torry Holt+
Jets – Braylon Edwards-
Packers – Donald Driver+
Panthers – Mushi Muhammad+
Patriots – Wes Welker +
Saints – Robert Meachem+
Seahawks – Nate Burleson+
Steelers – Santonio Holmes+
Texans – Kevin Walter+
Titans – Kenny Britt+
Vikings – Percy Harvin+
+ = WR had a better EPA/P
- = WR had a worse EPA/P
23 teams saw their #2 WR catch more passes than Roy last year. And of those 23 WRs, 16 of them had an higher Expected Points Added Per Play(Boldin tied Roy). I guessed before I started writing he would be the 18th most productive #2WR, so he’s either tied for 17th in terms of EPA/P or he is 23rd in catches. Much below his pay grade.
Now will this prove anything to you and other Roy faithfuls? No, but Roy is paid like a #1, and plays like a bottom half the league #2.
but, but, but did you see the game he put up against Middle Tenn State his sophomore year? The dude was awesome, and I hooked up with a hot sorority gal that night, so ROY RULES!
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we agree.
we also have a different definition of complete fraud, so this is just semantics.
complete fraud to me is a guy who doesn’t belong on the roster.
if you say ‘RW is middle-of-the-pack to below-middle’ #2 WR I don’t think you’ll get much disagreement.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 4, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
BTW, here’s a list of the WRs drafted in the 1st round over the last 10 years.
I’ve ordered them roughly by career success. Just out of curiousity, where would you put RW on this list?
1 Randy Moss
2 Andre Johnson
3 Larry Fitzgerald
4 Wayne, Reggie
5 Santonio Holmes
6 Roddy White
6 Torry Holt
7 Calvin Johnson
8 Lee Evans
8 Moss, Santana
9 Meachem, Robert
10 Bowe, Dwayne
11 Plaxico Burress
12 Donté Stallworth
13 Javon Walker
14 Michael Clayton
15 Braylon Edwards
16 Mark Clayton
17 Travis Taylor
18 Peter Warrick
19 Gonzalez, Anthony
20 David Boston
21 Robinson, Koren
22 Sylvester Morris
23 Troy Williamson
24 Reggie Williams
25 Bryant Johnson
26 Ashley Lelie
27 Gardner, Rod
28 Mitchell, Freddie
29 Michael Jenkins
30 Kevin Dyson
31 Troy Edwards
32 R. Jay Soward
33 Terrell, David
34 Mike Williams
35 Rashaun Woods
36 Ginn, Jr., Ted
37 Davis, Craig
38 Matt Jones
39 Charles Rogers
40 Marcus Nash
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 4, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
around 15 is where i would put him
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by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Sep 4, 2010 12:26 PM CDT up reply actions
I think 16 is fair with that list. Behind Braylon Edwards
I think the two of them have been colossal disappointments so far in the league. All the talent in the world, but can’t seem to put it together. But Roy has one more year on the guy and only a ‘Roy Season’ amount of career receptions more. I think both BE and RW could maybe be ahead of guys that are 10-14 as those players either have had problems or caused themselves problems to get where they are in their respective careers.
Granted, with a decent season like I believe he is capable of (55 catches, 750 yards 6 TDs) I can see him cementing a spot just inside 10 or close to it.
i would agree RW is in that area.
which puts the trade into perspetive.
it didn’t work out great but it’s no worse than 30 other WR draft picks.
I think the big lesson is don’t trade out of necessity. I think Dallas would be better with Vincent Jackson (who is rumored to be available for a 2nd rounder) and Michael Oher who was available at Dallas’ spot in 2008, than RW.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 4, 2010 1:50 PM CDT up reply actions
If we could of had the picks back and were able to get those two players with them
I think that would of been a pretty great. Instead, here’s to hoping Roy improved on a few areas and answers the bell when it is his turn in this offense.
So catches is the new rating?
I’ll take yards and TD’s over # of receptions any day.
Or you could do average per reception. Either way.
Roy was #18 in the NFL in Yards/reception with 15.2 (including playoffs)
Austin was #9, Crayton was #12
Roy was T-#14 in the NFL in TD’s with 7 (including playoffs)
Austin was T-#3, Crayton was T-#28
You guys act like Roy’s 2009 campaign was as bad as his 2008 debut, but it was a huge improvement.
I can’t wait for you guys to choke on crow and fall off the bandwagon.
What good is YPR when you drop the most passes thrown your way in the league?
How about Yards per Target which was 6.9 and good enough for 57th best in the NFL.
Roy is a disappointment as a 3rd option
2007
Jason Witten 96 1145 11.9 53 7
Terrell Owens 81 1355 16.7 52 15
Patrick Crayton 50 697 13.9 59 7
Remember 2007? The year the offense set all those franchise passing marks that were broke LAST year? So now last year comes around the offense is even more prolific, and what happens?
Jason Witten 94 1030 11.0 69 2
Miles Austin 81 1320 16.3 60 11
Roy E. Williams 38 596 15.7 66 7
Do you see the room for improvement there? There is plenty room for about another 15 receptions by the number 3 option on the offense.
Roy’s campaign WAS better, but it still was below par even just for this team.
from espn
FYI,
When looking at WRs to draft, there’s one metric developed by Football Outsiders that could prove helpful: the plus-minus rating.
A receiver’s plus-minus rating is the number of passes he should have caught — versus his actual catch total — in a given season. We arrive at the figure by using our Game Charting Project data to strip out as many “uncatchable” passes as possible. From there, we take each pass and use the historical catch rate for the past four years to create a baseline catch percentage.
Let’s say that a pass thrown eight yards in the air downfield on third-and-10 to the left side of the field is caught 72 percent of the time. We then take every one of a receiver’s targets and figure out how many catches he should have had, using those baselines. After adjusting each individual’s figures for the team around him, we compare the expected catches to the receiver’s actual catches and produce the plus-minus figure.
We’ve discovered that a receiver with a particularly high or low plus-minus tends to regress toward the mean in the subsequent season
Roy Williams, Dallas Cowboys (38 catches, minus-10.3 plus-minus)
K, so Williams is more national punchline than fantasy sleeper. But he plays in too effective of an offense to put up a plus-minus (and raw catch rate) that low again in 2010. The staggering mass of skill position players in Dallas means that Williams doesn’t have huge upside — but Williams should be a capable good-matchup starter this season. You just have to make it through the laughter during your draft when you pick him.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 8, 2010 8:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Interesting,
makes perfect sense really. He really kind of struggled to find his own role and spot in this offense, and I would say with a average +/- he would of been closer to the 50rec 800yds 7-9TDs that we all think he can be here as the 3rd option.
Don't worry,
I will put a nice southwestern rub on the crow before I cook it up for you and the other guys that think Roy should be 80+, 1300+, 10+
50rec 800yds 7-9TDs, is not so much to be expecting out of a 3rd option in this offense.
But when a Roy fanboy isn’t shouting his disdain for ‘us Mormons’ he comes back with how he has so many TDs and when that doesn’t work, it is all about how the Mormons will eat crow. I’ve been waiting to eat RW crow since after 2008, if it happens, it only gives more power to this offense which is absolutely a fantastic outcome.
I have to admit
I have no dog in this hunt, but I believe in Crayton over Williams. Did Detroit let Williams go fairly easy? I mean, if he had any real value, wouldn’t they have at least tried to keep him to complement Megatron?
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by SaintsFanInIraq on Sep 8, 2010 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Rumor is that he was going to be released by Detroit at the end of the season, so the trade was a gift
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I have been Pro-Romo and Anti-Williams
The entire time. When Bledsoe was crapping out, ROMO came in and did some good things for them. Williams has not produced worth a crap yet.
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by SaintsFanInIraq on Sep 8, 2010 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions
first
to say, why did you waste your time with this?
jerry wouldn’t change mind and certainly nobody here can do something
It's okay, he can vent if he wants to.
It’s not like any of what he said is wrong.
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Nice graphic
The topic is timely because of Crayton’s impending release, which makes Roy’s bloated contract relevant again.
I can't stand the guy, but he will play for the Cowboys this year.
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 3, 2010 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions
It's true.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
Well I wouldn't say I was missing it Bob..
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I loved this trade
Thank you
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Don't thank us, we didn't do it.
Most Cowboys fans at the time were like “What the hell!?” when we found out what Jerry gave up. No, don’t thank us. That one was all Jerry.
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The reason you keep Roy is simple: potential
If him and Tony can get on the same page there is no doubt in my mind that he would be more productive and worthwhile than Crayton as a player. Obviously he isn’t going to play up to his trade value or his contract (then again not too many receivers would), but this notion that he can’t be a productive WR is ridiculous. I will be the first to admit that he had some pretty atrocious games last year but he also had some pretty productive ones (the second Giants game, the first Eagles game, and the last Eagles game come to mind). I understand why Roy has so many detractors, but hit pieces like this are getting pretty tiresome.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Potential? After the number of years he has been in the league, he has no more potential.
Roy is what he is, a mediocre receiver, neither quick nor especially fast, tall but lacking body control, with fair to middling hands.
One hell of a blocker, of that there is no doubt.
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Roy actually has a good deal of potential.
There’s a saying in the NFL: “There are no bad players in the NFL, just players with unrealized potential.”
We all know what Roy is CAPABLE of when he plays at his best. It’s just a matter of getting him focused on game-day and utilizing the talents he does have.
Now, I’m the opposite of a Roy-sympathizer, and the cries to cut him have come loudest from me, especially considering he just cost us a receiver who’s better than him. I just can’t agree with you when you say he has no more potential than he’s displayed in Dallas.
by Admiral Dallas on Sep 3, 2010 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Roy had a career year in Detroit, never to be repeated. Roy has reached his potential, expecting any more of him is cuckoo
You’re going to get 500 to 700 yards, 60 or so catches, a bunch of drops, a lot of “who me” grins when he drops a pass or runs the wrong route, that hook em horns hand symbol when he scores a TD (like he just scored against the Sooners) and by the end of the season, Romo will be looking elsewhere on every play
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That's exactly what I'm saying.
If he had that year in Detroit, he has the potential to repeat it. End of story.
by Admiral Dallas on Sep 3, 2010 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions
To clarify...
I’m not saying Roy will have a 1,000 yard season, nor do I expect him to. All I’m saying is that, as far as unrealized potential goes, Roy has some that he’s not showing.
by Admiral Dallas on Sep 3, 2010 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure, and after he does that leprechauns will feast on the golden cupcakes that he craps out on the bowl
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Are you that dense,
or are you refusing to read what I’m saying at face-value?
by Admiral Dallas on Sep 3, 2010 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions
chill out, Admiral, I am joking
I think we actually agree that Roy is very unlikely to have a 1,000 yard season. You think it is remotely possible, but you are not counting on it, and I think leprechuans will appear for a cupcake feast if he does it
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Totally disagree.
Even just from a statistical perspective Roy’s season last year was definitely under his career average and from that I can definitely conclude there is potential for improvement this year in his production. Note that I am not predicting that he will be an 1000 yard receiver or anything like that, but I see no reason he couldn’t rebound and put up an 850 yard season with several TDs.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 3, 2010 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Here is a reason: His physical skills, whatever they may be, are starting to decline
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Here is a reason: His physical skills, whatever they may be, are starting to decline
RW is 28. RW is more likely at his physical peak.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 4, 2010 7:21 AM CDT up reply actions
He's Actually Just Past His Peak
Most Players reach their peak at 27. Roy will be 29 at the end of this season.
What do you base that off of?
Did he run a 40 time the other day? That is a quite a stretch for a reason that he couldn’t rebound.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Insert Mora style rant here
POTENTIAL, you wanna talk about POTENTIAL???!!!! Williams’ potential is good for helping you unheard of players become breakout superstars – Austin is an example. Bryant will most probably help to test my hypothesis.
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by SaintsFanInIraq on Sep 8, 2010 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Cowboys will eat Roy's contract some year
Just not this year, apparently. In the meantime, we can all hope Dez Bryant stays healthy, because he’s likely the real deal. And if Tony starts hitting him, then Austin will get better looks. I think Roy is mostly an expensive decoy receiver.
It's definitely not Romo's fault.
Maybe it isn’t even RW’s fault. Romo always has his best success with fast receivers like Terry Glenn, T.O., and Miles Austin. Williams isn’t like that.
Is it NFL time yet?
Neither is Crayton, yet he manages to be in the right spot and hang on to most of the balls thrown his way.
Face it dude, Roy Williams is a bum.
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Roy WIlliams really has done in Patrick Crayton
He was playing well as a #2 along side TO, then they traded for Roy, and Crayton rode the pine. Now instead of dumping Roy, they are trading Crayton.
That said I agree that Roy Williams is servicable as a #1, so he’s way more valuable believe it or not.
I disagree
He wasn’t playing well as a #2, he had 3 80+ yards games and 5 games in which he accounted for 81 yards…
81.
That’s actually kind of bad.
It was really easy to see that he was kind of out of his best position, the slot, and in this season he also lost that role with Miles Austin moving into that position with Bryant and Williams as flankers.
People can hate Roy Williams all they want, but he’s a better flanker than Crayton, he’s more productive when facing the same level of competition, number 1 CBs.
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The only thing that "keeps on"
Every team has one. It usually starts in the media. Many fans are sheep and incapable of an original thought…so it snowballs. It’s the team whipping-boy. In recent years it has been Romo or Flozell. Those two guys love Roy Williams. Roy came on the scene and cost the Cowboys a ton of dough and draft picks. Something that fans never forget….and CANNOT LET GO OF.
Let it go! Roy Williams is a solid starting receiver. He is 100 times the receiver Patrick Crayton is…and when Dez Bryant was drafted…he did not whine…he is training harder to get better. In this offense, he will never have a 1200 yd season. Write him down for 700-800 yds and 7 td’s…which is his share in an offense featuring Jason Witten and Miles Austin. Witten is going to catch 90-100 balls, Austin around the same.
Lastly, Romo has one glaring weakness to his game…it’s the red zone fade…he couldn’t get it to Owens and he can’t get it to Roy…which is Roy’s greatest ability..using his body in the end zone.
So…one last time. Roy is overpaid. The Cowboys gave away too much in draft picks to bring in Roy. Roy and Romo can’t seem to get on the same page. Say those words a thousand times. Say them again another thousand….have you got it out of your system yet? The beating the dead horse pic above says it all..but I’d bet Super Bowl tickets there will be at least 10 more “Roy Sux” hater-ade fan posts on this blog before Dez gets the needed experience to send Roy to the bench.
I didn't write a Roy sucks post
I wrote a post that says Roy doesn’t produce anywhere near the level at which he is being paid. He’s the biggest drag on the Cowboys payroll, compared to production. Patrick Crayton outplayed him last year (see first post) for $7 million or more less money.
Crayton is able to make quicker cuts than Williams. Sure, Crayton is no longer a 1 or 2 guy. But he’s fine at 3, and cheap to boot. Austin should be 1 and Bryant 2 no later than midseason. Let’s just hope Roy can be more productive — ie, catching a higher percentage of passes — as the possession receiver on 3rd down when teams are focused on Austin, Witten, and Bryant. But for $9 million/year? It’s crazy.
As Shown In an Earlier Post
Roy is not a bad reciever.He is simply a good receiver who did not meet the expectations we,the fans, had when JJ overpaid for him.He has the speed,size and jumping ability to give DBs fits in the red zone.
My question is if the coaches in Detroit can get a pro bowl performance out of Roy why can’t Garrett?
If he is an abject failure this year I will gladly join your dogpile.If our coaches see the potential in him why can’t we cut him some slack.
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by TCB Orange Dino on Sep 3, 2010 11:57 PM CDT reply actions
Well, those 3-13 Lions attempted a whopping 656 pass plays(counting 63 sacks.)
Also for some perspective Mike Furrey had 98 catches for 1,086 yards and 6 TD for those Lions. Nobody ever expected him him to have that type of season and even after he had it nobody expected him to duplicate that. 1,200 and 1,100 yard receiver, 4,200-yard passer. Must have been pretty high scoring even if they sucked in the standings? Nope 305 points scored(19.1 PPG) to finish 21st in scoring. See a theme here?
I’ve always felt a good approximation of Roy is Muhsin Muhammad who’s been around forever and managed three 1,000 yard seasons in fourteen including a freaky All Pro quality season in ‘04; 93 receptions, 1,405 yards, 16 TD at the age of 31. Of course, now I’m not so sure that’s valid and giving Roy too much credit. I don’t think it’s impossible for Roy to pull another 1,000 yard season off before he’s done but the guy I saw last year ain’t putting one together.
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A great observation. Not only did Roy Williams cost us our 2009 draft and many, many wasted passes, he also cost us Patrick Crayton. What a deal!
Roy didn't cost us anything...
…except from his drops on the field. Rage against the Jerry Machine if you feel the need to vent your spleen.
I am not sure if this is a good thing but i want to throw it out there
A lot of people state that Roy has only had one season where he had a 1000 yards. And while this is completely true, it is an incomplete picture to simply state that. Roy Williams has also played a full 16 game schedule only once in his career. Guess what year that was? the same year he went over 1000 yards receiving. Coincidence? I don’t think so. Not with a career average of 55 yards a game. so if he simply maintains that average lets see 55 times 16=880 yards a game. Now all he needs to do to get 1000 is to get 63 yards a game. So all he has to go is get 8 more yards a game and actually stay healthy the entire season.
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by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Sep 4, 2010 9:11 AM CDT reply actions
and the chances of any of that happening are what? About the same as my pack of leprechuans appearing on the star to feast on the golden cupcakes
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actuallyi would have to say they are better than that
but then your scenario is as likely as me winning the lottery. of course i don’t buy any tickets…..
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by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Sep 4, 2010 12:24 PM CDT reply actions
Wow, all this attention and love for our #2 Receiver
The one saving grace of the RWII project is his blocking ability. He is literally an extra TE on the field. The man is big and shows excellent technique in blocking LBs, Safeties and CBs. Granted, he was hired to catch and run with the rock but hey, everyone can’t be Miles Austin.
Trying to be Seanrude?
Keys80, I know Seanrude, and you sir are no Seanrude.
You don’t have half the heart of Seanrude.
Seanrude’s relentless like Boba Fett … he searches every blog comment, fanpost, and fanshot and makes a sarcastic comment about RW blocking every time RW is mentioned.
So don’t even try because there’s only one Seanrude … and you’re not him.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 5, 2010 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions
I have been slacking lately, good to see others taking note of Roy's awesomeness
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I agree with Irvin
As long as Roy Williams is out there, we are playing 10 vs. 11. We should have used the uncapped year to dump him and his contract instead of dumping Crayton.
Uncapped doesn't mean free.
Jerry isn’t going to pay $9 million to anyone to not play. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Hey OCC!!
Where do you go to get your Stats? would like to Know because I want to do a Piece on Roy where i try to Explain his 43% completion rate. I was doing a little early Research into this, and there is something that people dont seem to Realize about Roy.
1 Joey Harrington was his QB for the first two years of his Career. Harringtons Career Completion Rate? 56.1 %
2. His Best two Years Came with Jon KItna in 2006 and 2007 when He was getting 5+ rec per game
So there is potential with Roy.
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by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Sep 9, 2010 1:07 PM CDT reply actions
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