2010 Cowboys 53-man Roster
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 4, 2010 6:02 PM CDT
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PrintWith the cuts announced today, the Cowboys have trimmed their roster to 53 players.
Probably the most surprising move was the release of Cletis Gordon, who'd been widely viewed as a lock for the 4th corner spot. Instead, the Cowboys chose to go with six safeties, and will likely use Owusu-Ansah a lot in the nickel spot - as a backup to Orlando Scandrick.
Four undrafted free agents made the 53-man roster: C/G Phil Costa, Safeties Barry Church and Danny McCray and FB Chris Gronkowski. CB Jamar Wall is the only draft pick not to make the team.
The Cowboys still have to fill up their practice squad, but will have to wait 24 hours for their players to clear the waiver wire before they can sign eight players to the practice squad.
After the break, a glimpse of the 53-man roster as it stands tonight.
Quarterbacks (3)
Tony Romo, Jon Kitna, Stephen McGee
No surprises here, even less after a good showing by McGee in the final preseason game.
Running Backs (3)
Felix Jones, Marion Barber, Tashard Choice
This is a no-brainer. The Cowboys have one of the best backfields in the NFL and the three backs complement each other.
Fullbacks (2)
Deon Anderson, Chris Gronkowski
'Ski will likely play more of an H-back role, but given John Phillips' injury, a roster spot for him was a foregone conclusion.
Tight Ends (2)
Jason Witten, Martellus Bennett
None of the other candidates stood out.
Wide Receivers (5)
Miles Austin, Roy Williams, Dez Bryant, Kevin Ogletree, Sam Hurd
Crayton is off to San Diego, and Hurd came awfully close to being let go - and his being asked to take a pay cut is not the best of signs.
Offensive Linemen (10)
Doug Free, Kyle Kosier, Andre Gurode, Leonard Davis, Mark Colombo, Montrae Holland, Alex Barron, Robert Brewster, Phil Costa, Sam Young.
Injury and depth concerns prompted the Cowboys to go with 10 players here.
Defensive Linemen (5)
Marcus Spears, Jason Hatcher, Igor Olshansky, Stephen Bowen, Sean Lissemore
Hatcher and Bowen both had good preseasons, but have yet to unseat Spears. A strong showing by Lissemore gets him a spot, which must count as a minor surprise.
Nose Tackles (2)
Brent edges out Siavii in a minor suprise - after all, Siavii got most of the second team reps in camp.
Inside Linebackers (5)
Keith Brooking, Bradie James, Jason Williams, Sean Lee, Leon Williams
Leon Williams has shown a knack for making great plays and seemed to be around the ball a lot. Jason Williams is still a project but one the Cowboys have invested in and he's showing improvement game by game. And Sean Lee will soon be literally and figuratively blowing people away.
Outside Linebackers (4)
DeMarcus Ware, Anthony Spencer, Brandon Williams, Victor Butler
If it weren't for Ware and Spencer, Victor Butler and Brandon Williams would likely see a lot of playing time this year. As it is, this is one position where the Cowboys are so stacked it's almost ridiculous.
Cornerbacks (3)
Mike Jenkins, Terence Newman, Orlando Scandrick
Clearly the most surprising cut, Cletis Gordon did not make the team, and going with only three corners has drawn the ire of the Cowboys faithful. But AOA, although a safety by title, has been manning the nickel corner spot a lot lately.
Safety (6)
Alan Ball, Gerald Sensabaugh, Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, Mike Hamlin, Barry Church, Danny McCray
Danny McCray and Barry Church were true standouts in camp and proved to be just too good to keep off the roster.
Specialists (3)
David Buehler, Mat McBriar, L.P. Ladouceur
Ladies and gentlemen, the Dallas Cowboys have got themselves a kicker.
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Absolutely uncalled for
and extremely appropriate. Rec’d.
by JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoo on Sep 4, 2010 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry JimmyK, you are a decent enemy here,
but that was effing funny.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 4, 2010 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Ironic that your hilarious slam got your comment turned green
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
by APerfectStar on Sep 5, 2010 12:37 AM CDT up reply actions
As in angry versus hilarious?
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions
AOA and Ball
are basically corners under the safety category, AOA will probably be the 4th corner
Indeed
That move has caused much consternation and soul searching among us fans. Conspiracy theorists are already developing the wildest conjectures …
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 4, 2010 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Yup, the Eagles only kept 3 safeties (2 of whom are rookies). So my “wow” wasn’t “Wow, they’re idiots.” It’s just “wow.” Lots of cuts among the other 31 teams to sift through still.
And whathisnamekendrashusband made the team too for you guys
So that’s good. I don’t want to see Kendra cry on her show.
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 4, 2010 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions
Nobody wants to see Kendra sad
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
by APerfectStar on Sep 5, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Or hear her.
I cannot stand her horse laugh.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
That was my first thought as well
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
Or the way she laughs nervously at her own jokes.
Call me what you want, but I don’t care how good looking the girl is, that is a deal breaker.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions
Besides, the looks owe a bit too much to medical science
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
She really isn't that good looking either
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
My Beer Blog: http://tiltingsuds.wordpress.com/
Her best features are somewhere below the neck
And definitely not original equipment
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
Agreed. I am not a fan of bolt-ons
Lifetime Cowboys Fan from the Swamps of Jersey
My Beer Blog: http://tiltingsuds.wordpress.com/
what the H is this?
There is only one team that matters. That is why I come here to read. This is my resource for all things Dallas Cowboys.
Other teams solely exist to provide the Cowboys someone to play against on Sundays (ok, Mondays, some Thursdays and Saturdays too). That’s it. I don’t want to come here to read about these 31 irrelevant packs of fools and their inferior rosters.
Demps? Macho? Please stop this insulting nonsense immediately.
Go Cowboys.
by Eagles suck on Sep 4, 2010 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
The eagles do suck,
but JimmyK is an okay guy. Not a troll.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 4, 2010 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions
well, usually not a troll ... but sometimes he can be trollish :)
Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly
I'd call that a gay troll.
Lock n Load
by DIRE WOLF on Sep 4, 2010 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not really Gay
However, the other 31 teams exist for the honor of losing to the Cowboys on a weekly basis while playing each other for the right to lost to the Cowboys in the postseason. Meanwhile the AFC teams play for the right to lost to the Cowboys in the Super Bowl.
I don't understand the other teams actually having fans.
They must be a figment of my imagination. How could somebody not root for the Cowboys?! I don’t get it.
actually, nobody goes to other teams games at all ...
well, except if you are watching, then they suddenly fill the stands to keep the mirage alive :)
Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly
From the Ministry of Truth
War is Peace
Freedom is Slavery
Ignorance is Strength
Believe or the Ministry of Love will have a word with you.
Orwell is so awesome
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
by Cowboyfan729 on Sep 5, 2010 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions
If we have discovered a cool Eagles fan
That’s really remarkable, like finding proof of Sasquatch or life on Mars.
by East Bay Ray on Sep 4, 2010 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
All Eagles fans are trolls
they should stay on their own board. The last thing I want to see here is a post of their roster by one of their fans. For God’s sake is nothing sacred?!?!?
by Bayou Cowboy on Sep 4, 2010 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
JimmyK is the exception that proves the rule.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 4, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions
sometimes...
sometimes he’s just another troll…
I like and respect some of his comments. But sometimes he just wants to be a troll.
Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly
Dalai, I respect 90% of you guys
but sometimes even our own just want to be a troll on here. BTW, how was Thailand? Did you make it to Patong Beach? I am curious how much it has recovered since the Tsunami.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions
Yes, he has had his troll moments
But enough about our closet Cowboys fanantic
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
by APerfectStar on Sep 5, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL
fan65, didn’t you ask me that a couple of weeks ago? I replied late, maybe you missed it…
There’s very little evidence of the tsunami now. Even the places that were hit hardest are now business as usual. But if you’re there, don’t ask the Thai about it in any casual way; it’s still a very sensitive thing, as everyone lost friends and family.
Thailand in general is amazing. The “Krang Jai” culture of smiles and easy-going nature is sincere … the irony is that the exception to this is in the area where most of tourists go.
Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly
heheheh suup jimmyk
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
AOA will be decent enough to man a CB spot in the event of injury
FEAR the STAR...it's all or nothing.... time to COWBOY UP.
Or..
I can see Hamlin getting the start @ FS, and Ball sliding over to CB… it’s really not as big of deal as everyone’s making it out to be
FEAR the STAR...it's all or nothing.... time to COWBOY UP.
Yeah, I agree.
AOA seems like he is a smart player, just have to see more of him still
actually
if we think of AOA as the 4th CB it’s not bad. I think AOA can play CB at least as well as Gordon and McCann. It’s just that we were wondering if we would have gone 5 deep at CB, only to find out we went 3 deep + AOA.
I'd go with Gordon
At Oxnard I saw him make plays. Didn’t see anything from Wall nor McCann. One of those latter two will be on our PS. Maybe both.
That last game was probably the nail in his coffin
He was getting beat by the MIA scrubs too much
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
by APerfectStar on Sep 5, 2010 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah campo jumped em after the 3rd time he didnt turn his head to look for the ball, last one was the td, shortly after that he was replaced
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
Exactly
he is basically just “listed” under the safety tag as it stands right now, he could easily be under the corner category and we could be saying that he could also play safety (if needed, or in the future)
I really don't see the problem
Ball has been playing corner for a couple of years. He’ll slide over if he has to. But if AOA plays well enough, he won’t have to.
If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.
Eagles Safeties (3) - Wow
Two of those safeties are rookies, one is a 7th round supplemental draft pick.
Again, wow.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 4, 2010 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions
They couldn't keep more than 3 safeties
Due to the fact that they kept 7 RB’s.
It seems the 7 RB's was a typo.
When I looked the story up to link it for you they had changed it to 7 LB instead of RB.
Maybe we should roll with 2 CBs against the Eagles
With the way Kolb is playing.
by Cowboysaficionado on Sep 4, 2010 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Would Lissemore have made it through waivers?
I don’t really recall much buzz about him after any practice or game. Or at all, really, except for draft day. Seems like Gordon for Lissemore would have been a good swap, given his chances of making PS.
Still, can’t complain. That is a LOT of new blood on the roster. Talk about churn! I like it.
Gold Jacket, 21st century team
Wait, are we saying he’s going to be selling real estate soon?
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
by APerfectStar on Sep 6, 2010 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions
The word on the street is that
the contracts of three of our DEs are running out next year, and in it would be nice if Lissemore would turn into a viable alternative by then.
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 4, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Humm...
how about keeping the players we expect to need THIS season in THIS squad and then drafting players for NEXT season during the NEXT off-season. That would’a worked for me.
Because this way we don't have to throw rooks to the wolves next year.
I think Lissemore is a great fit. Get him some experience this year, and turn him loose next year.
If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.
It's called churning the bottom of the roster.
That what the teams that keep winning do. Landry was a master at it.
Lock n Load
Maybe this will light a fire under the players' a**es.
They will see that no one is safe and the best/hardest working make the team.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 4, 2010 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Then Crayton would have made it over Roy
Couldn’t resist
well i think that would be a mistake
players’ weights change after they retire
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
It was a much needed bloodbath
And could be a set-up for a changing of the guard on the starting O-line in 2011.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 4, 2010 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm looking at Young, Brewster and Costa
Is it too much to ask that 1 of the 3 grows into a solid starter in the next couple of years?
That's not too much to ask in my opinion
It's only a dream till you write it down, and then it becomes a goal.
-Emmitt Smith
Its not enough for me...
I would still be scouring the other teams cuts
to see if we could find a someone better than Montrae.
"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson
Not Too Much at All
These guys look more promising than the crap we’ve had there the last ten to fifteen years.
My guess is two of them stick.
QB, LT and CB, most important positions on the team IMO.
They gota have something up their sleeve.
Lock n Load
kinda shocking about Cletis
well I thought he was a scrub, then he has a great camp
has a one handed pick good practices but was awful against the Dolphins
still I thought he was a LOCK for the team
this tells me a combination of 3 things
1.Akwasi is as good as I thought he was, I really love Akwasi
2.Maybe they felt Gordon was a practice guy, a player who shows up in practices and not games, besides that awesome one handed pick I dont remember him making a play
3.I think the front office knows about a CB that got cut and are looking at bringing someone else in for that 4th spot
The Thing About Cletis That Puzzles Me
Is how much better could he have played to earn a roster spot? By all accounts, he was one of the best corners during training camp and the preseason. So if he plays that good and we cut him, why even invite him to camp at all?
He probably lost it in that phins game
I think the thing that hurt him was the fact that he already had some experience and thus is further along with less upside.
He would thus have to be clearly better than the rookies to warrant keeping him over them.
"Where's Woody? - We need another Darren Woodson
well a few years ago
a Cb by the name of Oglesby had a great TC/preseason & seemed like a lock but they opted to go w/ A.Ball instead so it doesn’t always matter how you play. now 4 years later Oglesby can’t stick w/ a team & Ball is a starter so its a reason behind everything.
i just hope McCann clears waivers bc that kid has the potential to be a starter dooner then later & maybe they saw enough from AoA to go w/ 3 CBs plus they could always slide Ball over to CB bc Hamlin has a future at FS.
Move Over Sweetness, Make A Place For Emmitt!
by Va_Cowboy_Fan on Sep 4, 2010 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Gordon couldn't play the slot
& then they had to move Newman to the slot which opened up the left side for easy pickings. Dallas doesn’t want to move Newman or Jenkins if possible & Gordon didn;t fit the mold well in their scheme, not to say they don’t bring him back afer week1 but it could be the reason he was cut. also Gordon was a 5 years vet, if he had any skills then he would be starting for some team w/ a shortage of CBs. heck the Chargers signed N.vasher lol but i think he got the axe also
Move Over Sweetness, Make A Place For Emmitt!
by Va_Cowboy_Fan on Sep 4, 2010 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Scandrick
Did anyone see him make a play this off-season?? I saw him get toasted over and over in the Houston game. We’re exposed at corner back after our top two.
We played a base defense for most of the game.
And did not make any defensive play calls. The guys were on their own to try to make plays.
Watching the game, I thought we sucked too. Then I was edjumakated by the gurus on here.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 4, 2010 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions
Actually he's looked very good
That HOU game was a bad showing for the whole team.
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
by APerfectStar on Sep 5, 2010 12:45 AM CDT up reply actions
The way McCann and Gordon looked against the Phins
I thought it was a foregone conclusion they were getting cut
It's only a dream till you write it down, and then it becomes a goal.
-Emmitt Smith
McCann was a undrafted rookie
Gordon was a 5 year vet so its hard to compare how they did as individuals but no one expected Mccann to dominate against the Miami starters
Move Over Sweetness, Make A Place For Emmitt!
by Va_Cowboy_Fan on Sep 4, 2010 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions
McCann was abused by the Miami 3rd stringers.
If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.
Akwasi
We’ve had so little chance to see him play, but he’s one of those guys who just by his body frame and the way he moves seems like he could be a player, he looks both powerful and fast/quick. I can’t wait to see more of him.
+1 I didn't really see him do anything bad.
That’s rare, even for a top pick. I think this guy has starter written all over him. If not this season, then next year.
If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.
Actually I think he could possibly overtake Ball by the end of this year
Ball is solid, but he is not a playmaker by any means
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
+1
I have this same feeling about Akwasi … he’ll be a starter soon. It’s a great credit to the scouts that our top three picks are looking so solid before the season even starts. I know … I know… wait three years to judge a draftee, but sometimes you just know from early on, and it seems we’ve found three of these types in Dez, Lee and Kwasi :)
Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly
And the early response to this offseason was suicidal.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 4, 2010 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, isn't that something.
Sometimes patience is best. And I’m impressed that Jerrah has learned that.
Brent looks like a monster
and will be a great back-up for The Rat!!!
Wade Phillips first Super Bowl win is as the Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys!!!
by NVCowboy4Life on Sep 5, 2010 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Especially if he can give The Rat a series off here and there.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
Some people say play the 1st team every down.
But what if Ware and Spencer and Rat could have a few plays off the way MBIII and Jones and Choice do? The announcers always talk about the defenses getting “worn down”. What if we don’t get worn down? Imagine.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions
We have the front seven depth to keep fresh bodies in there
Start putting some backups in second quarter – as long as they are managed right, I don’t think the performance falls off too much. And start pounding the other guys. Then the starter comes back in after a breather. Oh, yes, I can imagine that.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
Oop, meant to say second half, not second quarter
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
Hey, second quarter works too.
Like you said: if managed right. Let the backups sacrifice their bodies and pound the other teams’ 1st string RB’s for a few plays.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 1:05 AM CDT up reply actions
Butler seems up to the task now
He’s the one they could put in there right now and not worry about too much of a dropoff. As good as our top pair are, imagine how good they’ll be in the 4th qtr when they’ve had some snaps off in the 2nd and 3rd… Think Ware strip sack Brees x2.
Butler was the one on my mind, too
But right now, most of the front seven backups seem to be a fairly small dropoff. If we can get them in against tired 1st stringers, I think they can do well. And then, like you said.
I hope I’m not too optimistic on the depth, but the word just seems to be that the second string is pretty dang good.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
I just listened to Wade's presser from yesterday
and he had high praise for Jason Williams, said he graded out at ~90% which was the best of the LBs. And said he’s looking forward to seeing him play in the regular season. So they also must feel confident that he can step in now as well behind Brooking.
That's encouraging
I think he’s done pretty well in these pre-season games. There seems to be some disagreement on his play among some bloggers. I think he’s going to be fine. I don’t think he’ll be a liability at all, and I think there’s a good chance he makes a couple big plays. WAS will be running a lot of screens and looking to get the ball to Cooley, so the LB play will be key to winning.
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
He looked decisive and quick returning kicks in the last Pre Game
And that INT was pure hustle and good hands
yeah that was impressive
it is not like he just happened to be there. He used his superior speed to get into position. With his speed he can make a pick from a pretty large radius.
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
I could see Kwaz supplanting Scandrick as the slot corner
The reason I say this is we have Hamlin, who looks to be a legitimate free safety. And Church isn’t going to take forever before he’s a starting quality strong safety. I could see all 3 of these players forcing their way into the lineup.
It may have been a blessing in disguise that Jerry was only willing to give 1 year contracts this off-season, as this draft, and redshirt players from last season could contribute big this year. Talent acquisition, my friends, seems to be firing on all cylinders. These Houdini talent evaluators need to turn their focus to the O-line now.
If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.
Wall was a bad pick from the start
Whoever had their hand in that pick is a moron.
"You can't live a perfect day without doing something for someone who will never be able to repay you."
- John Wooden (God rest his soul)
That was a head-scratcher
But, then again, we all thought Sam Young was a head-scratcher and he’s held up somewhat well. It’s just one of those things.
And when you get McCray, Church, Costa, and Gronkowski in UDFA plus Josh Brent in the supplemental draft… I think those front office guys did an amazing amazing job.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 4, 2010 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions
I plead guilty to thinking Sam Young was a wasted pick
Guess the pros know a little more than we do, huh?
+1
But I remember reading that dude from NFP Wes Bunting saying the guy had stone feet.
by Cowboysaficionado on Sep 4, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Or maybe he was saying he was good.....
lol I can’t recall
by Cowboysaficionado on Sep 4, 2010 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I remember reading that he isn't athletic
And thought, why would you draft a developmental project who doesn’t have much room to grow because he’s limited athletically? Sounds like he’s getting by OK with his smarts and toughness, though.
The announcers for the (Mia?) game
Were saying that to watch Young you wouldn’t get a great impression. But somehow he was always in front of his guy and never got beat by the same move twice. That he might not be pretty but you shouldn’t argue with productivity.
At Oxnard
I saw Young as part of the wedge in a KO return (or whatever the wedge is now called). They guy does have stone feet. He was literally tripping while trying to run. ZERO ability to move laterally, from my stance 30 yds away.
Of course, I don’t know s—- as I’m just a casual fan, but what I saw looked awful. I assumed that kid had no chance of stopping fast LBs coming around the corner. If he plays this year, look out!
Young was great at ND
to bad he didn’t get to finish the year out healthy but he’s lucky it was only a minor set back
Move Over Sweetness, Make A Place For Emmitt!
by Va_Cowboy_Fan on Sep 4, 2010 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
50 Game Starter For Notre Dame
He must have something…COWBOYS RULE!!!
Wade Phillips first Super Bowl win is as the Head Coach of the Dallas Cowboys!!!
by NVCowboy4Life on Sep 5, 2010 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions
i agree
they found some solid players that didn’t get drafted, i’m most excited to see what Bren, Ski do in the lineup & how much of an upgrade McCray & Church are at special teams
Move Over Sweetness, Make A Place For Emmitt!
by Va_Cowboy_Fan on Sep 4, 2010 7:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Brent must have really impressed
to have come in late in the supplemental draft, then broke his hand and missed the start of camp and had to play recovering from that break, and still managed to beat out Siavii who wasn’t having a bad camp himself.
i agree about Brent
bc Savii was one of Wades pets but he waited to long to get moving. also Brent has the potential to be a stud & Savii is just a backup but savii could also play end so he might find a job fairly easy. i bet all thpse GMs that passed on him in the supp draft are kicking themselves in the rear for passing up on this kid.
also didn’t they get savii off the street?
Move Over Sweetness, Make A Place For Emmitt!
by Va_Cowboy_Fan on Sep 4, 2010 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
You are 100% correct.
Siavii was out of football when Wade gave him a chance. And truly, Siavii had turned it around, and was giving his best effort. You just can’t throw away what Brent did. Hey, sometimes you’re good, and you were just up against someone better. This is a problem for many who didn’t make this team. I hate to see Holley and Manny go, it’s just a really deep receiving corp.
This was kind of the opposite problem with Sicko. It seemed he had to be talked into playing, and thus didn’t really give it his best. I know he had a concussion, but I think there was something else there. His heart wasn’t in it because he wanted to pursue an advanced degree. The Vikings may be dealing with this as well. I really believe Favre didn’t want to come back this season. When his teammates showed up and begged him to come back, he did, but he’s hinting that he doesn’t really want to be there.
If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.
5Blings ... honestly, I respect much of what you have to say ...
But calling anyone on this scouting staff a moron is ridiculous. In fact, calling anyone a moron based on one draft pick is at best a silly idea. When you consider how many 1st rounders turn out into busts, judging anyone based solely on a 6th round pick is … well … silly.
If you can’t resist the urge to criticize, start with a body of work. But then again, this year’s draft is coming up aces; not to mention the continuing success with UDFAs. Bottom line: the Cowboys scouting team deserves a pat on the back, not yelps from the peanut gallery.
Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly
yes ... all we can do is hope for the best and offer words of encouragement :)
Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly
He has to find a failure and highlight it regardless of scope
Same guy who gave the 2007 draft a D.
It only produced four eventual starters Spencer, Free, Cricket, and Ball.
But the James Marten and Stanback picks ruined it.
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
by APerfectStar on Sep 5, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions
+ Infinity
I can’t imagine what would possess anyone to call our scouting department morons. They are on fire. But we all pop off once in a while. Just try to come back and make a good post on the next one.
If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.
by White Wolf on Sep 5, 2010 6:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Injuries....
to the QB or the O line will stall us.
I hope we are churning the wavier wire to find some better players.
I disagree
When injuries forced him into our starting lineup, he was a disaster. And I don’t know what the Texans were thinking in giving him that fat contract. But he was a perfectly capable backup for us, and that’s all we’d be asking of him. It’s a better option than asking AOA, a rookie from a small college who missed a lot of the preseason due to injury, to fill that role.
I disagree with your disagree.
Reeves was a sieve. I was at the Carolina game and he got lit up. For the rest of the season I made a point to see how often he got burnt and it was U-G-L-Y.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 4, 2010 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Yes, I remember a few teams employing the "throw the ball to whoever Reeves is on" tactic
And, again, as a starter, he’s a disaster. But, if we’re looking for an experienced dime back, you can do worse.
by East Bay Ray on Sep 4, 2010 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay, maybe he could have been acceptable as a dime back,
but now we have AOA and Hamlin who can fill that role. Who says the dime package has to be 4 corners and 2 safeties? Why not 3 and 3?
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- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 4, 2010 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Fair point
I’m just a little uneasy with expecting too much from AOA this year. It’s quite a leap from Indiana University of Pennsylvania to the Dallas Cowboys. He shows great promise, no doubt, but I guess I prefer the devil I know.
by East Bay Ray on Sep 4, 2010 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
The devil you know is better than the devil you don't.
I understand that more than you could ever know. But from my limited football knowledge, Safeties are smarter and harder to find because they must know what the corners are doing in addition to their own assignments. Whereas corners only have to know their own job and cover their man.
So my point is: a rookie safety (AOA) should be better than a so-so corner.
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- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 4, 2010 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions
Max Jean-Gilles cut?
Iggles didnt get the Andrews trade before the deadline… would it be worth it too swoop in and snag him?
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Yah, I was just looking at that...seems on the surface like it would be worth a look
But, yeah, I don’t know much about how he’s played, overall
God Bless Texas
by dwarfknight64 on Sep 4, 2010 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions
i would grab Giles...
Stacy Andrews was traded to Seattle for a 7th rounder also.
by Boyzfan94 on Sep 4, 2010 6:49 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Damn
Eagles o-line is gettin’ blown up.
I remember in 2006 how all the media was praising the Eagles for their drafting Bunkley, Justice and Jean-Giles, and we were getting slammed for not drafting linemen. Turns out Barbie and Fasano weren’t that good, but the Eagles hardly hit the jackpot that year, either.
they want to re-sign Gilles though
I think they cut him just because they needed to get down to 53 – they traded Andrews but it wasnt in time to meet the deadline.
He was cut on a technicality
They didn’t get down to 52 in time, and had to cut MJG – they’re planning on re-signing him tomorrow.
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 4, 2010 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions
would Jerry do that & pick him up?
or could the player stop it? theirs also some what of a code that that owners go by but here lately it seems like its all fair game.
Move Over Sweetness, Make A Place For Emmitt!
by Va_Cowboy_Fan on Sep 4, 2010 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
There's about 26 teams in front of us for claiming waived players.
If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.
he's a veteran and not subject to waivers
he can sign with anyone he wants, but the eagles gave him a heads up before cutting him what was going on and he said he still wanted to be an eagle .. doesnt mean someone couldnt come in and offer him double his salary
THREE CHEERS FOR LISSEMORE!!!!!!!!!!!
Him making the roster was the smartest personnel decision. Jerry Jones has ever made.That kid is a future HOF.
Of course I was high on him before the draft and before anyone knew who he was:
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2010/4/2/1401675/quincyyyyys-highly-anticipated
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
Hey, maybe the Cowboys can pick up another guy from your list
O-lineman Andrew Tyshovnytsky. I would just love to see the way people would spell his name (I copied and pasted).
Now, I just might have to buy that jersey.....
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- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 4, 2010 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions
i loved the pick of Lissemore
but didn’t think he would make the 53 man roster. that kid has a high football IQ ( played at a small school & was a standout) w/ a motor that foesn’t stop, plus can’t he play both De & NT?
Move Over Sweetness, Make A Place For Emmitt!
by Va_Cowboy_Fan on Sep 4, 2010 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he's gonna be D end only
Props to Raf on his site, he said that with all the D-end money needed for next year he’s a cheap fill in for one of them.
I was hoping he'd still be around to put on PS.
But I don’t think we’d have wanted to lose him, if he was left exposed.
I think Sam Young would clear waviers.
And he’s injured so I doubt somebody else would sign him to their active roster. If we find an interior lineman off waivers Jerry outta cut him and put him on the PS.
3-6 weeks, from August 30th
yeah, just a sprain, no tear
Really didn't think Young would make the roster.
He might be the expendable one if we sign someone.
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- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 4, 2010 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he did suck his senior year
but his junior year he played all right.
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
Could we steal Max Jean-Gilles?
seems that the Eagles exposed him since they had to cut him to get to the 53 man limit. The Eagles want to resign him tomorrow and he says he wants to remain in Philadelphia, but I wonder if he could be persuaded to join the Cowboys.
Our front seven is young and hungry
and our secondary is faster. Our o-line has more potential than I’ve seen in a while. FO did an amazing job
by hbdc on Sep 4, 2010 6:47 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
We're going to have an excellent defense
Possibly a dominant one. The front 7 is almost an embarassment of riches. But, I still have concerns on offense with Romo throwing to some unproven WRs (or, in Roy, one who’s proved to suck) behind a sketchy offensive line.
potential on the OL?
i’ll admit that i’m not great for rating line play, so this is an honest question: who do you see with potential on the OL? free is starting, which is awesome, but we’ve got guys in decline (gurode, davis), guys that are injured (kosier, columbo), major projects (brewster, costa, young), and guys who’ve never been anything (holland, barron). where’s the upside?
Yeah, "potential on the O-line" is a bit of a rose-colored glasses comment, but
Sometimes projects succeed. Among Brewster, Costa and Young, maybe 1 or 2 of them pans out. Kosier and Colombo are injured, but they’re relatively minor injuries. Barron is a perfect serviceable backup swing tackle. I can’t argue with you about Gurode, Davis or Holland.
The entire team better be hungry
after seeing the bloodbath from the cuts around them.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 4, 2010 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Personally
I like “GRONK”
It sounds like a fullback.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
Whoa, it's Vance!
Where you been hidin’ at?
FEAR the STAR...it's all or nothing.... time to COWBOY UP.
Hola
I’ve been lurking and working and reading most every day, but didn’t have anything intelligent to add.
You know what they say, “If you don’t have anything intelligent to say, be an Eagles fan!”
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
by Jim Vance on Sep 4, 2010 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nope
I’m pretty cool, but no refrigeration company. I work for a company that makes police radar. I used to comment more regularly than I have lately and contributed a couple of articles. Now that the season is here, I can’t be just a lurker.
"He has a peculiar felicity of expression." John Adams
McCann miss a lot
I would like to have McCann over McCray on team roster
before there was law, there were the Cowboys!!!
McCray is going to be a ST beast
i think McCann could be a great CB but a year on the PS is what he needs, also McCray was the reason they were able to axe watkins.
i hope McCann makes the PS
Move Over Sweetness, Make A Place For Emmitt!
by Va_Cowboy_Fan on Sep 4, 2010 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
Also heard it from a friend. Austin for Revis. Can’t wait to see what that guy’s got up his sleeve this season!
Is it NFL time yet?
Welcome back Grady. Keep it going!
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- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 1:35 AM CDT up reply actions
everybody see
the great photo of newman with his jets jersey in the new york post this morning?
Oh yeah! That is a great funny rumor.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 4, 2010 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions
re: raf
first post here, but have been reading the great info for a while. this site rocks. anyway, just have to express my surprise at how little was made about raf leaving. just sayin’….
cowboy nation
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
yeah Raf's sites before he came to BTB
weren’t the flashiest, but the content is awesome and as they say in the business, content is king
I do read cowboysnation
but don’t comment. I like this kind of reply thread better. And this is top to bottom, not newest on top.
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- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 4, 2010 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Ya it is bloody frustrating trying to post there
Site does a poor job of signing one in and that pop up box shows up below eye level on my system at work for some damn reason.
If Raf hires a good web guy he could rock.
Now it is a good secondary read but this site still has my first look even though I followed Raf through 2 others before this one.
yeah content may be king
but when it comes to community, functionality is prince, or something…. the way these comment threads work is part of what makes this site work so well.
It's still kind of odd
usually when someone leaves they do a going away post. Raf didn’t mention anything. Then Grizz only brought it up when commenters started mentioning it. Very odd. Something is fishy.
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
why not just take them at their word?
grizz made a fanshot which he posted to the main page, and indicated in the comments that he had to announce it earlier than planned because some folks had already discovered Raf’s new site. Raf also posted in the comments, hoping folks would continue to read both places. Reading anything more into it than what they both say is pure speculation and really none of our business imo. no reason to try to make an issue of it.
Oh Come On . . .
. . . that would be no fun . . . we need some skullduggery and conspiratorial thoughts to make things more interesting
by Iowacowboy on Sep 4, 2010 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Raf is a lick-spittle-toadie
and Grizz kicked him the hell out.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 4, 2010 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd just like to say
Nah, never mind
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Sep 4, 2010 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I just went to that site
Is he the only guy there?
All Raf, all the time?
I don’t see any other writers.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Sep 4, 2010 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Let me put it this way
In the business world if a decent resteraunt changes its name and location three times in as many years and yet keeps its same menu, they are bound to get some loseand or pretty pissed off customers.
Myself, I’m not mad at Raf- although if I was I highly doubt he would lose any sleep over it. But I’ve been loyal and following the guy for about five or six years now. Too much jumping around for me- this coming from a guy who LOVES change!! I’ll pop in here and there because I love his “menu” but blogging the boys is my new home!
by missingthe90s on Sep 4, 2010 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
im sorry, that should read
“they are bound to lose and or get some pretty pissed off customers”
by missingthe90s on Sep 4, 2010 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Man, I went over there for a read
Not impressed, and so few comments, why bother?
Because I can just read news articles like that. It’s the comments/fanposts here that are good.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Sep 5, 2010 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
my 2 cents
read that Cletis might be brought in after week 1 / don`t understand what they see in Leon Williams? / McCann will not make it to the PS / Think we sign Tony Curtis TE a former Cowboy / Think we sign a C/G perhaps Leckey and send Costa to the PS / Sam Young is injured and should be put on pup IR or whatever you call it, for 6 weeks.
Where did you read that Gordon would be brought in after week 1?
I understand it for the money, so they don’t have to pay him for the contract minimum… but where did you see it?
i havent read that either
but it makes sense to do it but Jerry did say some other moves could be on the way. he didn’t give a clue as to what they’ll be but Gordon wasn’t making much anyway
Move Over Sweetness, Make A Place For Emmitt!
by Va_Cowboy_Fan on Sep 4, 2010 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions
it's a good point
it’s a least a possibility. I know they do it sometimes with veteran guys (like they showed with Coles on Hard Knocks) but I’m not sure if Gordon is in that category.
Tony Curtis
Oh jeez, McB will be pissed.
And Leon WIlliams is a cheap vet backup, with some talent. It was either him or Octavien for the 9th LB spot. I like the move, as he’s better than Octavien on defense and can contribute on ST.
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
No can do with Young
He would have had to be on PUP prior to any workouts at Training Camp, and if he were, like Stephen Hodges, he would be eligible for the roster after the first 6 weeks.
IR means he is out for the year.
Injured means he has to be on the 53 if we want him to play this year.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
here`s a reply to my own comment
not sure where I read about Cletis being brought back after week 1 but don`t think I imagined it? / still don`t see what they see in Leon but hopefully we don`t bring Barbie back / Congrats to the Ravens for getting McCann, we`re gonna be regretting that down the road.
http://carrollcountytimes.com/sports/ravens/article_553cb3e4-b945-11df-960e-001cc4c002e0.html
“The Cowboys said his footwork was as good as the veterans. He has the potential to be a lockdown cornerback. He can be physical and come up in run support. He’s a sure tackler. He’s very intelligent, he majored in economics.”
especially that last partJerry what are you doing???
We did sign a former TE that knew our system though I guessed the wrong guy / not sure about Costa as a starter if Gurode goes down but sure hope they don`t bring back Proctor / Sam Young should go on IR for 6 weeks, we could have saved McCann.
How do you put someone on IR for 6 weeks?
If you mean Reserve PUP, I believe you have to be on Active PUP before TC starts to qualify for Reserve PUP.
Rabid and luvin' it
According to comments on another post
Miami has saved us from the danger of a Barbie return.
Which is good – BTB would have blown up from the screams of anger if he ever came back.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
because we dont have to pay a portion of a players salary after 1st game played , it will prob be next week b4 we know for sure what is in the plans
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if he is cutt later!
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
some surprises
i think they kept Leon Williams bc the JWill project isn’t far enough along to plug him in & to early to just give up. i understand the Gordon release he’s been around 5 years & still can’t stick w/ a team so why over pay for a position when we have 2 players that can fill that role, Anash is a leader in the nickle/dime role but Ball can be servicable anyway. i also think their going to use McCray or possibly Hamlin in Carpenters role until Lee is up to speed. right now its to much for him to learn the base defense & all the other packages but we could see Brooking taking less snaps in the base defense to play the nickle role. they have 4 great ILBs now w/ Brooking, James, Lee, Leon & the project JWill.
i found it odd to see Octavein getting cut bc he was a decent player but in order to keep JWill they had to w/ an extra ILB in Leon Williams, which could be a good thing if the light ever comes on for JWill.
i just wonder if they have a player on the roster another team wants so their looking for a trade to bring back one of the guys that got cut. a few of these moves are head scratchers but we will find out soon. i’m just glad to see some hungry kids at the bottom of the roster that will push the guys in front of them, its good to churn the bootom of the roster sometimes, big gratz to the undraftted kids that made the 53 man roster & hopefully guys like McCann, Holley, Bright, etc make the PS bc they played hard & could be helpful down the road.
Move Over Sweetness, Make A Place For Emmitt!
Hurd
I’ve been saying for a while that I thought they would keep either Crayton or Hurd, and not release both.
If Dez had gotten a full camp and was really up to speed, maybe, but with his injury and missing much of camp and the preseason, Hurd is the only relatively experienced veteran behind the 2 starters. Otherwise you have just rookie who hasn’t taken a snap yet despite his huge potential, 2nd year UDFA who hasn’t proven his consistency despite his big potential. Hurd has been here for years working the offense with Romo, can reliably run all the routes and the full playbook, and has at least some real game experience (he’s been active in 51 games over 4 years, compared to 11 for Ogletree last year).
So I wouldn’t be surprised if they hope to give Hurd some opportunities early in the year to make some plays that might boost his trade stock, and then once they feel comfortable that Dez is up to speed and ready to carry the full load, they’ll try to get a late pick for Hurd when some other team’s WR goes down, and maybe elevate Holley from the PS.
Pure speculation and I could be wrong, but it kind of makes sense that this may be what they’re thinking.
I think an interested development this preseason
is our 09 draft making strides, which got blasted by everyone, most of us included.
Buehler is now our full time kicker and he actually looked good in preseason.
Butler looks really good, a potential starter on most 3-4 Ds, but a bench player on ours. Brandon Williams impressed me too. I think we could lose Ware or Spencer and Butler could step in and we wouldn’t suffer a severe downgrade at that position.
Brewster is coming along, but he seems to be stuck between positions kinda – Columbo and Barron’s injuries forced him back to tackle
Mike Hamlin is still on the roster, and should see a little more game time this year considering we are carrying only 3 cbs.
McGee has clearly earned his way onto the roster this year, and I think the coaches goal of having him being Romo’s backup next year is on track. The guy has a really strong arm, and showed in that last preseason game that when he has protection, he can play well. He needs to be just a little quicker making decisions, but that may come with time.
Jason Williams is coming along a little slowly, I can’t say too much on this – the team obviously wasn’t going to cut him.
Brewster needs to be moved inside.
and Jason Williams has yet to wow me. So for our top two picks I’m a little more pessimistic.
After that McGee and Butler both looked real good.
And with Hamlin I think he is likely to compete with McCray and Church for the starting SS spot after Sensebaugh leaves next year, and probably win the starting job. Nothing against Sense but we can’t resign everyone.
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
McGee isn't ready to be mentioned in the same breath as Butler yet
I like what I saw out of McGee, but he had one good game. There are A LOT of bad players in this league that have ONE good game. So I want to see more out of McGee before I annoint him our #2. I mean, right now, you could make a very solid argument that Troy Smith, the QB Baltimore told to hit the streets, is better than McGee.
On the other hand, Victor Butler has been a remarkably consistant horror story for opposing offenses all pre-season. He’s amazing.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 4, 2010 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions
All good points
But reading “we could lose Ware….” made me cringe. I agree that Butler looks solid, but I prefer to not even imagine the possibility of a Ware injury.
yes....
I feel the same way every time I’ve made that remark this offseason.
In previous years, especially 07 and 08, I felt like without ware, our defense would completely collapse due to lack of pressure from the pass rush. Now…while it would obviously hurt to lose a HOF caliber player, the dropoff isn’t nearly as big.
No Starters
The unfortunate thing about the ‘09 draft is that none of these guys are starters or are even on a path to becomming a starter. When not a single draft pick can see the field on the starting-22, that’s not good.
- Butler and Brandon Williams are phenomenal but they have no way to get on the field.
- Stephen McGee flashed great play but his long-term prospects are as a QB2.
- Mike Hamlin is the member of a 6-man log-jam for 2 safety spots. It’s going to be a street fight for safety spots next year, 2-3 of this years safeties will not be with the team in 52 weeks time, I promise you.
- Jason Williams has the clearest path to finding a starting job but has dissapointed in his abilities to grasp that opportunity.
- Brewster has no way to get on the field right now, the team doesn’t even know in what O-line position to use him.
They’re improving, they’re sticking around. But some members of this draft class need to take notes on Victor Butler and start demanding the coaches start them with the quality of their play on the field. As a whole, this draft class is producing like the hodge-podge of 3rd and 4th rounders they are.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 4, 2010 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
I think you have to give it time
when you don’t have a pick in the first two rounds, your draft (especially on a roster as talented as ours) won’t produce starters right away.
In a year, you may very well be looking at a draft that produced a starting guard, safety, nickel ilb, kicker, backup qb, and two really good olbs who could potentially be used as trade bait. Now…its still a question of whether these guys will perform, but I think its very likely that Brewster, Hamlin and Jason WIlliams will get significant playing time in the near future.
Year 3
Is normally when you get a true feel for a draft class.
But I think it could go either way. This is a glass half full/empty situation.
This draft class could turn the corner in training camp and produce a series of athletes that become solid role players for this time.
Or it could turn into the “backups draft” many labed it as. You can see how a 2011 draft of high-pick O-linemen could push Brewster aside. How AOA could leap-frog Hamlin. How Lee could leave J.Williams in his dust.
I think we still have a year to go before we can feel any better about this class than we did on draft day two years ago.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 4, 2010 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope you get the irony of your own statement ...
You start by affirming the idea that it takes 3 years to judge a class, then you continue to offer your negative assessment – as if guilty until proven innocent. The “can’t judge in 3 years” applies to both the optimists and the pessimists.
Judging the class as bad until they start performing in year 3 (think Spencer, as there were many detractors until last year) is no better than offering an overly optimistic perspective.
Original Pet-Cats: Duane Thomas, Roger Staubach, Walt Garrison, Charlie Waters, Bob Lilly
I'm Playing the Other Side
I said in my original post. It’s a glass half full/empty situation.
They have all taken a step forwards. Victor Butler and Brandon Williams in particular look fantastic.
But the other side is what’s their ceiling? Right now it looks as if all of them are backups. For a draft class to be a success, it needs to produce starters, and we’ll have to wait a year to see if they mature into starters or languish in 2nd-string-hell.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 4, 2010 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions
the secret to the glass half empty or half full is
momentum.
If you are emptying the glass it is half empty, if you are filling the glass it is half full. :)
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 5, 2010 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions
They did have a 2nd-round pick though.
Of course, since they apparently had Robert Brewster ranked just the same as Loadholt, Vollmer and Beatty and the trade also netted them the 4th-rounder that ended up being Victor Butler everything worked out according to plan for them. Let’s just hope Brewster can eventually be a starter because those three guys are already starting for those teams and for as good as Butler is I’d feel a lot safer about this team’s Super Bowl chances if they’d stayed put and nabbed one of those other tackles instead.
Beatty
has gotten killed this preseason. Giants fans are a lot less high on him than last year. Their vaunted 2009 draft class is beginning to look like a 1 man show (Nicks)
And the other two wouldn’t help our interior line problem at all…
True on the interior line.
As far as that goes you’d figure any scouting department worth its salt would at least unearth one solid back-up guard somehow even if they’re late draft picks or undrafted guys. Interior line isn’t a position you spend 1st or 2nd rounders on unless you’ve found a true blue chipper.
Those other two guys might not help the interior line problem which is the real issue but who knows how much longer Colombo has left?
when you return 20 of 22 starters
hard for 2nd year guys to have a chance, especially given the back loaded quantity over quality of the draft. Butler is behind two of the best at his position in the league so he’s not going to start, but he’s showing the quality of a future starter. I would say Butler, Buehler, McGee and Phillips are hits. Both Williams, Hamlin, and Brewster are still TBD but could still prove out to be starter quality. And of all the guys that made the team last year, all of them are still with the team heading into the 2nd year (including Manny Johnson if he makes the PS), so that’s not bad.
My son and I are both jacked thus far ...
My fellow alum and star of the game my son and I went to last year made the 53!!!
Barry Church!!!!
He’s already asking for a Church jersey. If I were to want one, would I have to go the “customized” route, or do they sell jerseys for any player?
He did a heckuva job in camp. I want to keep my son’s feet grounded, since Church could still get cut, but I’m almost as excited!
Yeah, I'm happy too
Seems like a solid, smart player. Good tackler and dependable. He didn’t look like he was in over his head when he had to unexpectedly sub into the SD game. I’d like to see him get a chance to stay a while and see how high his ceiling is.
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
Players like him
Always get my attention – player of the year in his conference, four year starter – yes, he’s “slow” according to the measurables, but game speed is totally different. I’ve never understood why players like him don’t get drafted, makes no sense to me. If you can play at a high level in college, in his case player of the year status, it never made sense to me how the NFL snubs you. Evaluating players solely off of their combine skills gets you Mike Mamula, or Vernon Gholston.
Whoo-hoo!
C’mon, we need this to get some traction.
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by fan since '65 on Sep 4, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Back to the CB's
I thought the coaches have been clear for months that Ball is the CB if there’s an injury.
I read people talking about AOA-a rookie?
No way.
Ball moves to CB, and Hamlin or AOA move into the safety spot.
Anyone?
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I Agree
So if we lose one player, we effectively put 2 backups on the field.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 4, 2010 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, I didn't say I agree with the plan, but that's THEIR plan!
So I don’t know why so many here are discussing a rookie going in at corner.
Let’s all just pray for Newman’s groin and hammies.
Sounds weird.
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by Realist Larry on Sep 5, 2010 12:29 AM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
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Bows his head and tries not to laugh.
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by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm sorry, I refuse to pray for another mans loins.
Not gonna happen. I rec’d you though, solely for the chuckle.
I'll recommend it, too
One of those things you say, and then wonder why you would say it in public
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
Sounds good
Or AOA comes in as the 4th CB while Ball stays at FS. Just from reading how AOA has been practicing as a slot CB since he got back from injury.
I think the DB’s offer some versatility (Ball and AOA both able to play FS or CB) Hamlin might be able to play both SS/FS
But what you said.
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
My point, too.
In another place in this thread I said “why does the dime package have to be 4 CB’s and 2 safeties? Why not 3 and 3?”
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by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 1:14 AM CDT up reply actions
College System Sucks
I go to Ohio State, I enjoy college football and support my team.
But I can’t follow it with the same obsession as the pros because the system is so bad.
What sport bases their league title on what coaches and media-types think? Could you imagine Jamie Dukes and Ed Werder deciding who should go to the superbowl? So silly.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 4, 2010 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions
If I think about it too long I go crazy
The entire North American view on sports is that they want to see the best. Doesn’t matter what the sport is, people just want to see greatness, they want to see THE BEST.
Why did people start waching golf all of a sudden? Because they beleive Tiger is THE BEST golfer ever. It’s not because so many people intrinsically love watching golf.
People want to see the best in the world and know they’re the best in the world.
It’s one of the reasons the NFL is so popular, because the league has done a great job of legitimizing itself as having the best athletes, the best strategy, and a system where THE BEST teams make it to the superbowl.
In college football, you have no clue. You watch a national title game and you have no clue if you’re watching the best or if the best two teams in college football are playing other bowls on other days.
It’s crazy that either they can’t understand that simple fact, or that the college system is so corrupt in favor of the strong schools staying strong that they are willing to sacrifice legitimacy and popularity to maintain their power.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 4, 2010 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions
The bowl games have a lot to do with it
As long as some 6-6 team can get into the Lysol Toilet Bowl, the schools like having a chance a post season play. And I think the teams are afraid the money would dry up for everyone except the elite teams who make a playoff.
I would think some kind of playoff system could generate a ton of revenue, and you still could have all the penny ante bowl games. But then, figuring out who would have the playoff games is a nightmare.
It is just amazing that every other sport and football at every other level has a playoff. The NCAA is just useless on this.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
There should be a 2 tier bowl system.
Tier one is the playoff for the national championship with however many teams you want (anywhere from 8 to 16). And tier two is all the rest, for the fans and TV and school money payouts.
Before you laugh at me: last year there were 35 bowl games. That is 70 teams out of 119 in Div IA!
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by fan since '65 on Sep 4, 2010 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Yet everyone LOVES March Madness
So why not 70 teams?
If people will pay, they’ll set them up……
It sure does seem obvious, though, that they could easily set up an 8-game playoff.
But more than that, it gets to be a lot of extra games. Eight teams would already add 2 to the normal bowl game.
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by Realist Larry on Sep 5, 2010 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Not sure if you are making fun of me or
just not reading my post right. There were 35 bowl games LAST year with 70 teams. And I did not say it had to be an 8 game (16 team) playoff, it can be a 4 game (8 team) playoff or even less. Any playoff is good to me, but it will never happen. Follow the money.
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by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
No I wasn't
I’m making fun of the fans who pay to watch their 6-6 team play in the Toilet Bowl.
But also pointing out that, while I agree with you there are too many Bowl games, and everyone agrees, why doesn’t the overabundance of teams in basketball bother people? March M. is adored!
Kinda rhetorical.
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by Realist Larry on Sep 5, 2010 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Ah, okay, I see the difference now.
I am not against the number of bowl games or against (the old 64) march madness. I am just using the number of games as an argument for a playoff system.
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by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 12:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, and I scewed up on my first reply
that was supposed to be
“Eight-team playoff”
Not 8-game.
I was referring to the 4-game idea, which would be eight teams (just typed games again!) and 3 games. But since they play one bowl game already, it would only ADD 2 more games for those teams.
And be very reasonable, not to mention profitable.
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by Realist Larry on Sep 5, 2010 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm tired - still being unclear
“4 games” meaning the first week, with 8 teams
“3 games” Meaning how many levels you need to get a champ.
(8/4/2 teams left)
Sorry!
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by Realist Larry on Sep 5, 2010 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Don't be sorry, i got what you meant on your last post.
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by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions
I think we are agreeing in a different way.
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by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh yeah, I think 95% of people who care agree
But the Bowls are run by these commitees of Old Guys, and they are steeped/marinated in tradition. And power for the Old Guys. Big Fish/Little Pond syndrome.
They’re not really run by the NCAA, at least the big ones. So they have to buy in, like they did with rotating the Championship Game.
But like always seeing the Cowboys (and Lions, I guess) on Thanksgiving, it’s tradition I grew up with, so it doesn’t kill me, like some younger guys.
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by Realist Larry on Sep 5, 2010 1:17 AM CDT up reply actions
You hit the nail on the head.
But it is not tradition and power for old guys. It is MONEY.
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by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Ahh-you're right, but what's the Diff?
lol
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by Realist Larry on Sep 5, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
loil
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
This is so far down the thread I don't know what you are lol 'ing at
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by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 2:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Guess not.
What? Did I get sucked into a chat room?
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by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 2:14 AM CDT up reply actions
What is greedy old corrupt fuddy duddy windbags, Alex?
Split national championships are the worst. What the hell is a split championship?
Also while this has nothing to do with playoffs, I find the concept of stripping teams of national titles a little silly. Like those games were never actually played because some dumb kid got caught getting paid or in that punk Reggie Bush’s case just tried to be a greedy punk and rip somebody off.
You have the right trail, but the wrong scent.
or that the college system is so corrupt in favor of the strong schools staying strong that they are willing to sacrifice legitimacy and popularity to maintain their power.
There is one addage that is always correct: “Follow the money”. It is not corrupt in favor of certain schools. It is corrupt in that the bowl system makes a butt load of money for the BCS conferences and all schools in those conferences. (Not every school in those conferences are “strong” schools)
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by fan since '65 on Sep 4, 2010 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions
If College Hoops had a BCS system, Kentucky and Kansas would have played for the National Championship this past season
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Any comment on the 49er oline cuts?
Cody Wallace a former 4th from Texas AM now a center? Matt kopa at tackle?
It seems they brought talent in there, perhaps these guys are still useful.
They should leave no stone unturned
Ditch Leon Williams in a second for a decent guard
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 4, 2010 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
i'd rather
they ditch holland for a decent guard
Kevin Matthews was cut by TEN
He had some fans here pre-draft.
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
Players left who Parcells brought in
My very unofficial eyeball count shows 12 of the 53 guys on our current roster were brought in during the Parcells regime. That’s a pretty significant turnover for a team that has been winners the last half-decade. And, it also dispels the notion (prevalent among non-Cowboys fans) that Parcells was Jimmy Johnson, Wade is Switzer, and the Cowboys are running on the fumes of what Parcells did. In fairness, Romo and Ware are our most valuable players, and they were brought in during Parcells’ tenure, but still, this team has the stamp of Wade, Jerry and Stephen.
by East Bay Ray on Sep 4, 2010 11:10 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Great observation
I suspect Stephen gets a ton of credit for this. I think Jerry still is deeply involved, but I just feel that Stephen is someone Jerry listens to, and I think Stephen is saying all the right things.
No hard evidence, but that is my feeling.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
+9 and +94
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by fan since '65 on Sep 4, 2010 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Yo-yo Drafting
The Parcelles era was a yo-yo of drafting
2003 = Romo, Newman, and Witten
2005 = Ratliff, Ware, Barber
He gave us the core of our team that stands today.
But between those great drafts were absolute abortions.
2004 = ZERO players remain on the roster. Crayton was the only bright light in a dismal draft.
2006 = JASON HATCHER is the only player that remains on the roster.
Parcells drafts gave us the franchise players we needed to build a team around. But they also gave us huge weaknesses in personel that the team has struggled to overcome ever since.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 4, 2010 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here are the 12 I counted
Tony Romo
Marion Barber
Jason Witten
Miles Austin
Mark Colombo
Kyle Kosier
Marcus Spears
Jay Ratliff
Bradie James
DeMarcus Ware
Terence Newman
Mat McBriar
by East Bay Ray on Sep 4, 2010 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Tony Romo and Demarcus Ware
Romo was undrafted, and the only reason he was brought here is because Payton and David Lee begged Parcells to sign him
And Parcells was ready to draft Spears over Ware until Jerry stopped him.
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Can we please all try to forget Sean Payton was a coach here
It hurts too much to hear his name and then look up to see Wade leading this team instead of him.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 4, 2010 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
meh
I’ve never cared that much. We were happy he was gone at the time. The Giants in his previous OC stint were happy he was gone. I don’t know how anyone can say we made a mistake not promoting Peyton to HC.
I was very unimpressed when he was here, and happy he left.
But look what he’s done! I’m curious to see if he can keep it up over time
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by Realist Larry on Sep 5, 2010 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions
I don’t know how anyone can say we made a mistake not promoting Peyton to HC.
I’m going to assume you didn’t mean this. With the benefit of hindsight I struggle to see how one could say "there was no case for Payton as head coach".
Even the position that at the time there was no case for Payton as head coach is debatable. Payton was considered a head coach candidate while he was the offensive coordinator Giants. He was widely considered to be an innovative offensive coach. Furthermore, Payton went directly from being Dallas’s offensive coordinator to being the head coach of New Orleans. In addition, Payton had the title of assistant head coach in Dallas. Payton was widely considered head coach material and subsequent events have proven that assessment correct.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 5, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
How is it even debatable that he was a candidate for the Dallas job which was filled at the time?
How many people do you think would have been in favor of firing Parcells after the 2005 season (in the midst of the 3-4 defense being built) in order to hire Payton, who wasn’t even the a popular coach on staff at the time. It wasn’t even a fringe idea back then. Dallas’ defense was the reason for most of the limited success during Payton’s time in Dallas (2003-2005).
The only thing he was known for was calling BP’s boring ball control, low risk, eat the clock offense. Plus I thought he had been publicly embarrassed in NY when Fassel took the play calling duties away from him. BP did him a favor by hiring him in Dallas, because his rep was tattered.
No way anyone in Dallas at the time would have thought he should replace BP. In fact I do remember a lot of fans happy he was gone when he left to take the NO job. I could have cared less. It wasn’t until later when Romo took over from Bledsoe in 2006 and became a star, that Payton started getting some credit for anything he did in Dallas.
So I agree with foyesboys, there was absolutely no case at the time for getting rid of Parcells and making Payton the HC. Even in hindsight, I’m glad it worked out the way it has. Wade eventually came in and improved the defense, and Garrett helped Romo to become one of the best QB’s in the league, and turning the offense into one of the best in the league.
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
Do you want to forget Payton because you liked him?
I hated him as our OC. He was terrible. He called plays just as bad as JG (for all you JG haters). I want to forget him because I can’t believe how well he is doing in NOLA and I am pissed he didn’t do that with us.
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by fan since '65 on Sep 4, 2010 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Payton is a true leader
His strengths aren’t sitting in the film room and devising one little play to beat a team.
His strengths are in leading men, inspiring them to greatness, getting 110% out of his talent, holding them responsible for their actions, making the tough calls, and making them believe in the group.
Imagine what this team could do with an actual leader.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 4, 2010 11:51 PM CDT up reply actions
LOL
His strengths are….having Drew Brees as his QB, that’s all I got.
Seriously, he’s a good coach, but I think you’re over doing it a bit. Every coach basically does the same thing.
Then again I thought before the NFC champ game, when Reggie Bush carried the “inspirational” baseball bat out there was one of the corniest things of all time.
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
There was some sort of power struggle between him and Parcells, right?
I recall Parcells stripping him of play-calling powers at one point. My guess is that Parcells wanted someone more subservient, and Payton’s a cocky, brash type.
by East Bay Ray on Sep 4, 2010 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
This is a reply to quincyyyyy and blue eyed devil:
So you are saying that only the HC can lead and motivate? The OC cannot lead and motivate the offense? Only call plays? The OC does not have any influence during practice or in team meetings when the HC is not around? All of the sudden Payton magically became a great leader?
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by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm saying Parcells removed plays from Payton's playbook
If your head coach tells you not to do something, as an OC there is very little you can do.
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Okay, I can buy that.
But what say you about blue eyed devil’s “leadership” comment above?
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by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
Whoever called the plays.
Showed some nice smoke and mirrors in the win over the Panthers during that regular season.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.....
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by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions
I don't recall us having a HC vacancy when NO hired Payton
nor Payton being available when we did have one.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
Wade doesn't get nearly enough credit for the job hes done here
but don’t discount the change in attitude Parcells brought to this organization.
But seriously, this is Wade’s team at this point. Its absolutely different from the team Parcells left. This D is Wade’s, and it is the reason we have superbowl aspirations.
Wade's team on the field, I agree
I suspect Wade is the third most important voice in player acqusition. Probably has more influence in who to keep and cut, but until I get my covert surveillance equipment in place at Valley Ranch, I can’t confirm that. And then it will cost you to know.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
Just make a weapons free pass in your WartHog
and you’ll separate the wheat from the chaff.
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by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Ah, not my Warthog
I was maintenance and logistics, didn’t get to fly, and spent most of my time with B-52’s and recce birds. But the A-10 is just so cool, I wanted to use the picture. And I didn’t have a Buff or U-2 picture handy.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
Also saw on your profile you are a Midshipmen fan
Some time at sea, perhaps?
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
Just a couple 'o two or three days.
Or is that two or three days at home? I can’t remember anymore. And did you mean the Navy Buffalo of WWII time frame? Or the zoomie bomber?
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by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions
B-52
Man, I ain’t near old enough to have worked on the Brewster Buffalo. I think they lasted like four days after the Japanese attacked. Not a great design.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
My bad.
I know you are not that old and that’s not what I meant. I also did not mean the Buffalo I, but the Buffalo II, which was very similar to the P-47 but at the same time was not a success in the navy.
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by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions
I only have a vague image of the Buffalo II
Was it a Korean or Vietnam era bird? I am pretty big on WWII aircraft, but don’t know all the stuff from the 50s and 60s.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
My bad, again.
We are thinking of the same plane, WWII. I originally was thinking of the pre war bi-plane.
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by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 1:11 AM CDT up reply actions
I lived on March AFB for a few years with 52's
Man, you knew when one of those things took off!
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by Realist Larry on Sep 5, 2010 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions
Yep.
I have been stationed in Guam and Diego Garcia (and thankfully in Hawaii, Phillipines, Japan and Singapore, too)
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by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 1:24 AM CDT up reply actions
I'm not too far from Barksdale AFB
Still see one every now and again. Freakin’ antiques, and still one of the most intimidating weapons in the world.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
The air frames are older than we are
but the avionics are state of the art and they are projected to fly for another 30 years. I was is Diego in 2002-2003 and they were the main force hitting Afghanistan and Iraq.
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by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions
In Desert Storm
they were the one aircraft that absolutely terrified the Iraqi army.
It is just so amazing the airframes are holding together. The things were purchased with the intent of flying them for 10 years and replacing them with a supersonic bomber, but that didn’t pan out. And Boeing put together one heck of an aircraft.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
I saw an unclassified report that said
the ’52 airframe might actually last 80 years. I know that sounds ridiculous but it is already 50 years old.
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by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 1:57 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the ones left are all '62 models (maybe some '61s)
And I think the plan is to fly them through 2030 or so. May have gone up to 2040, though, so that would do it.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
My bad, again, again
I didn’t mean 1952, I meant B-52. I was talking about the 1962 airframe.
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by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 2:05 AM CDT up reply actions
No, just terminology.
The first ones did fly in ’52. It is fun talking to someone who has a little knowledge in the stuff.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
I do.
How do I dig myself out of this hole? I know they started in 1952, I meant the 1962’s might fly 80 years, but I typed ‘52 instead of -52.
I think we’re good.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 2:19 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh, you are incorrect about one thing.
I’m older than the airframes. Not by much, but I am.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
They used to take off and land at Carswell AFB over in Fort Worth
all the time when I was growing up. I lived over in Hurst, at least 10 miles, and we knew when they were coming and going.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
HAd A grandmother who lived just off base of Carswell
To this day i swear that if i had stood on the roof of her house i could have reached up and touched the wheels of the B-52s that were landing.
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by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Sep 7, 2010 2:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Romo was dumb luck because he played ball at the same college as Sean Payton.
Also dumb luck that Quincy Carter was so dumb or Romo might not have even seen his second training camp with the team.
A home run, or a strike out.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
BTW, normally on a saturday night
I am getting my drink on and picking up divorcees. But tonight I had to check out our 53. This just shows how moronically fanatical I am.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
Well, I think all I had to do was read your signature to know that
Great quote, BTW.
by East Bay Ray on Sep 4, 2010 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks Ray.
I am a John Cusack homer. Loved the 80’s trilogy (Better Off Dead, Sure Thing, Say Anything) but my favorite is Grosse Point Blank.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
Two......dollars!!!! I want my two dollars!!!!
Better Off Dead is my favorite of those.
by East Bay Ray on Sep 4, 2010 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Holy crap. A great quote. And I still say it.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions
Had never heard of that movie and got it on a whim a few years back
Offbeat hilarious!
The mother’s cooking, newspaper boy-
The Chinese guys who imitate Ho-ward Co-sell,
(which my kids didn’t get at all since they’d never heard him).
Rewatched High Fidelity a while back, he’s great at the narrating into the camera in that one!
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Sep 5, 2010 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions
Love High Fidelity
Shame Jack Black peaked so early
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
A car is not a toy, you should obey all traffic laws!
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
It's got raisins in it, you like raisins.
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
As she plops a glop of green goo on his plate.......
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 1:26 AM CDT up reply actions
Grosse Pointe Blank is one of my favorites
The back and forth with Cusack and Aykroyd is genius
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
At the end when Aykroyd tries to sell Cusack a gun?
I rewind that scene 5 times every time I watch it.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 1:27 AM CDT up reply actions
I love that movie
watched it several times, cracks me up many places, the premise creates this ridiculous juxtaposition and Cusack just plays it perfectly. And the banter between him and Akroyd is great.
TV over the head, what a way to go
I like right before that, the 2 FBI agents on his payroll burst in and he gleefully starts shooting them for no apparent reason.
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
Hank Azaria. LOL
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions
Alan Arkin as his therapist that's scared to death of him, also hysterical
My favorite part is when he goes to see his old house and find out it’s now a mini mart, and the destruction that follows when the Eastern European hit man tries to kill him there.
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
And then the fight scene at his old locker
where he kills the eastern european. Did you know that Cusack trained in kick boxing in real life? So many good scenes.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 2:00 AM CDT up reply actions
I might have to pull the DVD out and watch that tomorrow
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
Haven't seen many of his 80's movies
But his performance in 1408 (a ridiculously underappreciated movie) is one of the best acting performances of all-time.
He was amazing in Identity as well. Gotta love John Cusack.
by Stephan Wilson on Sep 5, 2010 4:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Cusack is great at his mini-monologues.
BTW, Thanks for the pen…..
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
I hate to be a buzz kill
but we still have an unbelievably tough schedule. I think 9-7 can win the division.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
I take comfort in OCC's dictum
Strength of schedule is only meaningful after the games are played. Given the fact that overall teams tend to regress towards the mean, statistically we should see more teams on the Cowboys’ schedule do worse than they did last year (assuming that my memory is correct and there are more teams that posted winning records than losing).
I need to run my poll again. I plan to do it shortly, but I just can’t break away from the comments.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
I'm still thinking they can get 10 or 11 wins
The only part of the team that could ruin the season is the OL. I think Colombo will be back for week 1 and Holland is at least serviceable for a game or 2. But the sooner Kosier is back, the better.
I’ve seen more pre-season games this year than ever on NFLN, and it seems like every team has problems, except for GB’s offense. I hope this means they will peak too early. LOL
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
I didn't watch the the preseason games, but I did get the idea that problems abound.
I’m staying cautiously optimistic, and thinking double digit wins are not unreasonable.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
I have never worried about pre-season.
My memories are that our best years are during bad pre-seasons. Besides, the Colts are like 5-23 in the last 7 pre-seasons and haven’t they won 12 games in those 7 years?
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 2:10 AM CDT up reply actions
I believe that was mentioned once or twice last week
Fun chatting, but I’ve got to check out for a while.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
I read that OCC post too, and get it
but at the same time, good teams usually stay fairly good in the short term. And it is just not the teams, but the schedule week to week. We do not have any soft spots this year except for the week and a half after thanksgiving.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
The good thing about it is if they do get to the playoffs
They will be battle tested. They will have to be to get to where we want to see them.
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
Man I hope so. We can really use a bye this year.
More than last.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 2:02 AM CDT up reply actions
It would be nice to get as many playoff games at home as they can too
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
Fourth week bye. That sucks.
It seems the Cowboys almost always get the bye week early.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
Yeah, they got kind of screwed on that one
The earliest possible week.
Thank you #22, for everything you did for the Cowboys. There will never be another one like you.
Haven't we been screwed with early byes for the last several years?
When is it going to change?
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 5, 2010 2:12 AM CDT up reply actions
The league loves to screw us
Third or Fourth week byes in::
2003
2004
2006
2010
Four early byes in 8 years
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2010 3:27 AM CDT up reply actions
You have to beat some GOOD teams to get in the playoffs
And face it, if they can’t handle Minny/NO/Philly/Giants/GB in the regular season, they don’t deserve to be in the playoffs.
Or, they’d be one/done anyways.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Sep 5, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
gents... do have a good weekend ... im in need of some zzzzz...
night !
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
Depth Chart
The team site depth chart is up to date as of today.
http://www.dallascowboys.com/team/team_depthChart.cfm
I’m sure it’s all very fluid still, but there’s some interesting things.
First thing that’s funny is they have Holland and Brewster starting ahead of Kosier and Colombo. Usually the depth chart doesn’t change just because of short term injury, especially when they may be back for the opener. So that’s kinda odd I think, but obv will switch as soon as they’re back.
Hurd is listed in front of Ogletree. From RWR to LWR alternating it’s Miles, Roy, Dez, Hurd, and then KO behind Hurd.
Scandrick backing up both CB spots, no Akwasi or Ball there, but 3 deep at each S spot,
Felix is listed as KR with KO backup.
Dez is listed as PR.
Who knows what they actually do but perhaps this gives some clues as to what they’re thinking.
Redskin's blog posted hate week is here.
It’s hard to hate the Redskins like Philly, but I hate them. Dallas has kinda owned Washington for years and I don’t it changing this year.
Lock n Load
Don't sleep on them
I certainly dont think they have the offense, but that defense is going to be very good. One of the guys that I work with is a passionate Redskins fan, but he’s pretty objective and he knows the NFL inside and out. He says the defense (which held the Cowboys to 24 points in both games last year) is going to be better than last year.
For my sake at work I hope we stomp the crap out of them so I can smack talk to the high heavens. I want to hang 40 or so :)
Meh
Of the 3 NFC East foes, I have the least emotions towards the Dan Snyder Era Redskins. They’re a silly team with a silly owner. Their fans hold onto memoies of a by-gone age. I don’t get emotional about that team.
It’s always a dangerous game to play. Bad Redskins teams beat good Cowboys teams and vice versa all the time, it’s really crazy how that happens. So don’t sleep on them.
But as far as getting my blood boiling. Meh. Redskins fans are just another set of fans in this league. It’s not like they’re inhuman dogs like Philly fans are.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2010 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Leinhart (off topic)
So the Cardinals take the opportunity presented by the uncapped season to clear an expensive bad decision (Leinhart) from the books. Who would have ever thought that we would be looking to Arizona to see how to run a franchise?
In other news, Roy Williams will make $13 million this year.
In other news. I don’t care after the 1 million post on this
by Musiccitynorm on Sep 5, 2010 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
Norm
Defends Roy Williams more than Jerry Jones! haha
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2010 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Overexaggeration
“looking to Arizona to run a franchise”, I’m sure they haven’t had any bad investments or moves.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
True, but they only wasted one draft pick on Leinart
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Yep the Roy trade was bad.
But it’s over and one with now. The pick is gone and after this year Roy probably will.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
blah done with now
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
Oh, unless Roy has a monster season, this is not over
You know how many Roy haters are out there
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
And yet...
You take the time to write a response to EVERY one. This may shock you, but we’re not writing for YOU. Read it and move on. You are not the content police.
Besides, ragging on Roy is just so fun and easy
But I do hope he makes us take some of it back by putting up good numbers this year. I would love for defenses to look at Miles, Roy, Dez and Jason lined up and have a real “Oh, crap!” moment.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
I'd love for Roy to make me look like a jackass (or to be accurate, more of jackass than I really am)
but I doubt it will happen
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Where is the Comment about his Blocking ?
You are slipping Sean!!!!
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by I draft the Cowboys!!!! on Sep 7, 2010 2:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Whenever you see a comment from me, the "Roy is a great blocker" comment is implied by this point
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