Michael Irvin: "With Roy Williams on the field, the Cowboys are playing 10 vs. 11"
by Martin Long on Sep 8, 2010 10:00 AM CDT
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PrintIn a recent segment on the NFL Network (Around the Table) , Michael Irvin and various other ex-NFL players and coaches predicted their Super Bowl 45 winner.
When it gets to Irvin’s turn to decide, he chooses the San Diego Chargers. Before he can even get out his reasons why, he is heckled by Deion Sanders and Marshall Faulk, asking why he isn’t picking Dallas to win it all.
Irvin’s response: "I won’t take Dallas until Dallas has whatever it needs to stop playing 10 versus 11. And with Roy Williams on the field, the Cowboys are playing 10 versus 11. Now, if they put the young boy Dez Bryant in, you better believe I’ll take Dallas."
There are two things that are immediately obvious from Irvin’s comments.
Firstly, Irvin obviously believes that Roy Williams’ talent, or lack thereof, is going to hold the Cowboys back from winning the Super Bowl.
And secondly, he has a massive man-crush on Dez Bryant.
Dez Bryant is a great talent, yes, but this is a receiver that is coming off a high ankle sprain, and didn’t play a single snap in the preseason.
Will he be able to make some plays this season? Yes, but a huge impact is unrealistic.
Williams is not going to stop the Cowboys from winning a Super Bowl. It is true that he hasn’t been the receiver Dallas thought he would be when they traded for him in 2008 (and that’s putting it lightly). However, he can still have a role in the Cowboys offense. He will always be a threat in the red zone with his size (6’3", 210lbs), and showed, at times last season, that he can be a capable possession receiver – which is something the Cowboys are now lacking with the loss of Patrick Crayton.
Irvin was right in saying that the Cowboys will be able to go further with Bryant on the field. But was dreadfully wrong in saying that Williams won’t just be ineffective, but will, in fact, hold the Cowboys back from achieving their goal of being the first real home team to play in the Super Bowl
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I saw that last night
Just damn. Are you listenin Jer?
Just becuz you put yer boots in the oven don't make it bread
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 8, 2010 10:05 AM CDT reply actions
Irvin is just a Longhorn Hater. That is the only explanation
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That is laughable
I am guessing you are tounge in cheek here.
Same argument people use against Roy Boy apologist, his college.
NFL = Janet Jackson League
What have you done for me lately?
Any Pro player / ex player / fan cares damn little about where you played College Ball.
Except to give each other a little shot.
it has to stem back to last year
when irvin tried to get the WR advice and Roy refused to listen.
http://sportsmediablog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/11/irvin-on-roy-wlliams-he-hasnt.html
Really?! Really?!
yeah i remember this
ouch roy willie better try some steroids we want the SB right now
but maybe he meant 10 on the other team versus the 11 alone ha, well i know awful joke
And with Aikman and Buck in the booth we're playing 10 vs. 13
Just playing.
Sorta.
I don’t know why all the ex-Cowboys are such haters. Mike, Emmitt, Aikman, Deion. They all go out of their way to $#!t on the Cowboys now. They’re not you! Quit expecting them to be.
At least Mike and Emmitt seem to generally pull for the Cowboys still. I wonder about Aikman. And Deion is a mercernary. He could care less.
Ok. Rant over.
"They need security in the world, Craig!"
I have no doubt that Aikman is loyal to the Cowboys
But I am glad he doesn’t embarass himself by being a homer
by I_miss_Switzer on Sep 8, 2010 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree completely, and anyone who does not think that Irvin loves the Cowboys needs their ears checked
Criticizing Roy Williams does not make you a “Dallas Hater.” It makes you realistic.
Even the Roy defenders here don’t defend his actually play in Dallas, they talk about his potential, and hang on to that 1400 yard season like it is the holy grail
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i tell you what. I dont know what it was
but Troy was not having it from the fans during the HOF ceremony and preceremony. He seemed grouchy even when Emmitt asked him to stand, but before that before he went on set of NFLn he didnt even once look over at the fans and smile for a picture. Hell Irvin was giving thumbs up during every commercial break. Even John Madden stopped and waved for the cameras.
I dont know about Troy maybe it was too many hits to the head
Really?! Really?!
Troy is definitely a Cowboy still
But I do feel he’s holding some grievances. I guess we’ll find out after he retires from broadcasting.
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by accidental innuendo on Sep 8, 2010 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions
I think he just tries to hard to not seem like a homer.
You can see in his eyes he wants the Cowboys to win.
Semper Fi Do or Die
Projected 2010 Record: 12-4. You heard it here first
understand not wantin to look like a homer
but nothing wrong with giving a little love to the only team you ever played for or atleast looking interested when you teammate goes into hof. seems sometimes like the only thing in his eyes are eli’s footballs
The HOF, I don't understand.
I’m specifically talking about his commentary. To me he tries to force kudos to others so he can also bestow them on us.
Semper Fi Do or Die
Projected 2010 Record: 12-4. You heard it here first
Pure conjecture on my part, but I think he is bitter about Jerry running Jimmy out of Dallas, and bringing in Switzer
Troy may thin that cost Dallas a Super Bowl trophy
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I really hope Cowboy fans can lay off Switzer.
We are practically destroying a man’s lifetime of achievements just to pile on. For the record, Switz would have won 2 if it wasn’t for Deion cheating and the refs letting him.
Deaf as a stone, dumb as a Bohr.
Oh, no you didn't!
Dude, half those guys would have ended up in prison before the playoffs if it wasn’t for Switzer.
Deaf as a stone, dumb as a Bohr.
Aw, come on!
All I’m saying is that Switz gets a really bad rap. Why do people have such a hard time seeing that Switzer was one of the best coaches for 30 years?
So he was a character, big deal. Lot of different types of coaches, Switz being a “players coach” type should not overshadow his accomplishments.
Deaf as a stone, dumb as a Bohr.
Great College coach, a bit lost in the NFL
Let me guess, you are a Sooner fan/alum, right?
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LOL
Why would that make me an un-objective observer? I don’t believe Switz was incompetent in the NFL. On one hand ya’ll say the team won without Switz help but that same team didn’t win jack with the next coach did it? “Oh, we lost Alvin Harper!” pssh!
He could not have sucked as a pro coach, it’s not possible.
Deaf as a stone, dumb as a Bohr.
Did any of the other NFL teams want Switzer after Dallas fired him?
Not his fault Jerry ran off Jimmy, but he was terrible. Just watch the NFL Network Super Bowl special of that team. You can tell Moose couldn’t stand him either.
Switz was FIRED?!?
I can’t remember how it went down. But jeez man, Switz wasn’t there to take showers with Moose, he was there to keep the dynasty from collapsing and I thought he did a darn good job at that. So a bunch of guys didn’t like him, big deal. I bet they liked the rest of the 90’s even less.
Deaf as a stone, dumb as a Bohr.
only coach to ever run up a $100K liquor tab, take a leak on a guy and
win a SuperBowl in the same week.
by I_miss_Switzer on Sep 8, 2010 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
I love to listen to him tell the old stories.
He’s a good guy, but he was out of his element in the pros.
Lock n Load
he had also
nailed the wife of the guy he took the leak on.
by I_miss_Switzer on Sep 8, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
at least one sb win ..
Davie Wilson
how bout them cowboys!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Sep 8, 2010 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Eh, whatever,
I still say we should lay of Switz. He wasn’t part of that crap between Jerruh and Jimmy ExtenZe. He came in to save the day, gosh darnit! Would you rather it had been Frank Beamer or somebody?!?
Deaf as a stone, dumb as a Bohr.
whats wrong w/ Frank Beamer?
he’s one of the best college coaches ever & like a lot of the great college coaches he wouldn’t sell out for the NFL. he actually recuits student/athletes & keeps Va.Tech in the top15 every year. you won’t ever hear of Va.Tech getting a violation for anything, unlike a lot of the big time programs.
Move Over Sweetness, Make A Place For Emmitt!
by Va_Cowboy_Fan on Sep 8, 2010 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions
he actually recuits student/athletes
Laughable.
I’m from VA too and I’ve had some direct experience with the Va. Tech football team.
Have you had any direct interaction with them?
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 8, 2010 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Frank Beamer recruited BOTH Vick brothers!
Your argument is invalid. Horribly, horribly invalid.
Deaf as a stone, dumb as a Bohr.
from 1996 - 2010 ... Va. Tech football doesn't change ...
um yes.
In the last few years the school’s football team has joined many other programs in resembling a crime wave, with at least 20 players arrested
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/va_tech_black_mark_ay0kzxOLmDtfn3SmujEGcK#ixzz0z3Y5xvxC
Virginia Tech starting fullback Brian Edmonds and reserve wide receiver James Crawford each was arrested today on one count of rape and one count of attempted sodomy, Blacksburg Police officials said.
The arrests, made in connection with an incident that allegedly occurred early Saturday morning, were the latest in a string of off-field episodes involving criminal charges against members of the Virginia Tech football team
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 9, 2010 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
what do you mean
That he left? Or that he didn’t bring them a playoff win or championship?
I think he did his job. They were pretty bad when he took over. He brought some order and they had one good year. But they didn’t win a playoff game or a ring.
Similar to what he did in Dallas.
"They need security in the world, Craig!"
I would Agree..
And I do. Aikman never has a kind word to say. He has so much hatred for Romo for surpassing him so quickly in so many areas.
Everyone knows Emmitt took way too many hits and concussions so he never makes much sense.
Deon and Irvin on the other hand are honestly True Dallas Lovers. They do everything they can to help scout and steer players toward the Cowboys. Hell, wasn’t it Deon who Dez got in trouble for talking with… and he ends up where?
by DaStarShinesBright on Sep 9, 2010 2:21 AM CDT up reply actions
They have a post football career in being NFL analysts. They want/have to be objective in what they do.
Nothing wrong with that.
Just cuz Troy doesn’t slurp Cowboys through a straw doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a dog in the fight.
Joe Buck I will give you is truly anti-Dallas. And if Miles wouldn’t of finally busted on the scene as he did he may have been closer to being correct than you think.
It's so bizarre that Cowboys fans bash Aikman.
Every other site is full of fans bashing him for being a blatant Cowboys homer. If both sides are mad at you for favoring the other, then you are probably getting it just about right.
by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 9, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
+ A billion
I cannot tell you how many Giants fans think he is a complete and total homer
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Can't say I disagree with him at this point
After watching Roy play last year it is hard to disagree with that statement
Sean Lissemore = The next Bruce Smith
I like Michael Irvin, but that's a stupid statement.
Technically it isn’t 10 on 11. You still have to account for Roy. I think we are all upset because it seems like he can’t beat basic man coverage from an inferior (not #1) CB, and he doesn’t really command a double team like he did during his early years (or maybe year) in Detroit.
The same way you would have to account for a 38-year Meshawn.
Seriously if some team suddenly came ring-a-ding-dinging at Meshawn’s door and he took a week or two to get back into playing shape he’d be no less of a non-entity than Roy Williams as a starting receiver.
38-year old Meshawn.
Not that he’d ever come back for the veteran minimum. That punk is probably still deluded enough to think he deserves “Roy” money.
I don't get why they didn't cut R. Williams this year?
No salary cap problem to worry about. I’m guessing its just Jerry Jones’ ego not to admit this mistake. I’d take Crayton over Williams any day.
by upstateNYYFan1984 on Sep 8, 2010 10:18 AM CDT reply actions
No salary cap, but they would still owe Roy $9M or something like that
And with all the financial moves (ie, Crayton and others) they have made this year, you can tell the bottom line is something Jerry considers. Roy plays one more year and then will get released or traded.
I think this was the best possible scenario with us drafting Dez. Not only is he going to be a bad ass, but he allows us to get rid of Roy next season. Bank on it.
by TCBinNYC on Sep 8, 2010 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I roll my eyes every time I hear this from a fan...
We all have an ego, and so does Jerry, but Jerry has demonstrated that he won’t let his ego stand in the way of success. I’ve heard the man admit his mistakes…hell he even apologized recently for not giving Chan Gailey a fair shot ten years after the fact. I seem to recall he cut TO last year even when the payout was around 9 million…so money and salary cap isn’t the main concern. Roy is still on the team because he can still produce (38 catches for 7 TD’s in 2009 – solid #3 numbers and comparable to Crayton), still has potential upside, and isn’t a team cancer. Do you think Miles Austin’s ascension would have been possible with TO? Roy is a good team mate.
Fans have their panties in a wad because he hasn’t produced to the the big contract and draft picks. Get over it. Take a step back and look at what our receiving core looks like as a whole (Austin, Williams, Dez, Ogletree, Hurd – Paired with Witten/Bennett). We have one of the best group of receivers, if not the very best, in the league.
The only way that Roy is here next year is if he dramatically improves his game and takes a pay cut.
I’m a Crayton fan too, but he’s reached his ceiling, and I’m anxious to see what Ogletree can do in an expanded role. The Cowboys have done a good job in drafting and initiating a youth movement.
by CaliFanInTx on Sep 8, 2010 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Naw. Not even close to the best receiving corps in the league.
Better receiving corps than the Cowboys;
Saints.
Colts.
Patriots.
Giants.
Packers.
Those are just the obvious ones. Without the slew of injuries, I’d put the Vikings ahead of them too. Now depending on how quickly Dez acclimates to the pro game this team could easily boast the best receiving corps in the league by next season. But right now the only effective WR is Austin and he’ll certainly come back down to Earth this year with another 400-yard two-game outburst unlikely. We all know how good Witten is but there quite a few teams with three highly effective and proven receiving options.
Also the trade did suck that brought Roy here and this is a Cowboys blog. I don’t see the point in killing the guy at every possible turn but it doesn’t help and only fuels the fire when a select few still try to defend this guy as anything other than a colossal disappointment. I’m still rooting for him if for nothing else than maybe Jerry can find some sucker to take a 4th off of(Mad Al’s Bay of Misfit Toys) if Roy has 950 yards and 11 TD; which is impossible. But I’m sure stranger things have happened.
Yeah, I agree with you
Didn’t have time this morning to post a rebuttal to “We have one of the best group of receivers, if not the very best, in the league” comment. I figured maybe he was including Witten too. But even then Miles has had one good year, Roy is a huge ?, Dez is a rookie who hasn’t played live football in one whole year, and Ogletree reportedly kinda sucked this preseason.
Ravens are better too.
If Crayton was still here, it would be a better argument, but I’d still take some others over ours.
by Baked Potato Soup on Sep 9, 2010 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions
That's cold, Michael
it may be somewhat true but whatever happened to supporting the team? I suspect he’s just saying something relatively outrageous because he’s on TV.
Are Irvin and Deion good friends? I ask because I assume that Deion – having that “connection” with Dez – also feels that Dez should be starting and playing immediately.
All that said, Williams brings such withering public criticism on himself with his underachieving on the field and his sometimes blase attitude.
He is supporting Dallas. He says they are a Super Bowl team once they get over the Roy deficit
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10 on 11 is pretty harsh on Michael's part.
I love that Michael loves Dallas unabashedly but I think he is way too polar on Roy in this instance. Roy certainly had some pretty low moments last year but it would be pretty hard to trace any of our losses to him.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Even harder to attribute much success to him
by I_miss_Switzer on Sep 8, 2010 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions
Seven touchdowns.
That helps.
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by Brandon Worley on Sep 8, 2010 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions
What is the average for a #2 WR - 5 or 6?
40 or so receptions on the # of balls thrown to him indicates a very poor success rate.
There are lots of players who could provide similar production with his opportunities.
by I_miss_Switzer on Sep 8, 2010 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions
That is true
but his success rate was still shockingly low for a starter.
by I_miss_Switzer on Sep 8, 2010 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions
Irvin's dislike for is deeper than just RW's play.
RW rejected Irvin’s advice on how to play WR last year and the feud was on. RW wouldn’t return Irvin’s calls and Irvin started pounded on RW. I think if I was RW I’d listen to a HoFer and one of the best WR ever.
Lock n Load
I agree with this.
Playmaker just needs to smoke some ganja and just get over it!
Good Point, Dire Wolf
Irvin did try to reach out to Williams last season, but if you recall, this was after Irvin had bashed him repeatedly. So why I believe Williams should have taken the advice, I’m not surprised he didn’t.
Why can't he just be the #3
Maybe that will happen later on in the season, what do y’all think
Just becuz you put yer boots in the oven don't make it bread
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 8, 2010 10:37 AM CDT reply actions
Hopefully that will happen if Dez can emerge, but that's a big if...
due to him not only missing preseason and most of training camp as a rookie, but pretty much not playing at all last year in college (except for 2-3 early games).
if Roys a 9 million dollar #3 WR
what kind of money do think Austins going to want? Austin wants a contract pretty soon bc he’s 1 play away from being in the same shoes as J.Walker was back in Green Bay. if Roy has a break out year do you think Jerry would let him go to keep Austin? they can’t have both w/ Dez in the mix & Austin could turn into a #1 pick & Roy won’t no matter how good he did this season . Jerry says Austin is in their future plans but he didn’t say it would be playing for Dallas. plus everyone knows Jerry wants to prove Roy wasn’t a waste of picks & cash.
you never know w/ Jerry & his ego
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by Va_Cowboy_Fan on Sep 8, 2010 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions
We were lucky Miles didn't pull a Vincent Jackson
though I think Jackson had a good couple of years. I bet Roy mildly disappoints and Jerry locks up Miles. But maybe that’s what Jerry’s waiting on.
There is no 'breakout' season for Roy in the Cards really...Roy fanboys please don't freak out read below
A Miles ‘breakout’ and Roy ‘breakout’ in this offense would be two completely different things. Miles breakout season led to 80 catches, 1300 yards and 11 TDs. In this offense as a possession WR as Roy is, a breakout as the #3 option is going to be around 55 catches and 850 yards 7-10TDs. So there really is no reason why Miles would be let go in favor of Roy. Also, Dez is a possession WR with electric moves. He is here to eventually be the possession WR, how quickly that happens is up to how each Roy and Dez play.
Jerry also proved before last year he can be a man and let a guy go when it is detrimental to the team(T.O.) so the ego thing does get a little overplayed from time to time.
Honestly...
I’m tired of all the Roy bashing. Just….tired of it.
He will never live up to that trade or the contract. Get over it. He showed up here and people expected another T.O. or something.
The fact is, this what he is. This is what he has always been. A possession receiver with red zone capabilities.
Let’s move on. By the end of this season, he’s going to be the 4th option for Romo behind Miles, Witten and Dez. If he catches 50 balls for 700 yards, I’ll be extremely surprised.
That doesn’t mean that he’s holding the team back. Did he hold the team back last season? You won’t convince me that he did. Romo had the best season ever for a Cowboys quarterback, we had two 1,000 yard receivers and Roy caught seven touchdowns. I’d say that was a pretty decent year, FOR THE TEAM.
Against Philadelphia, to end the season and in the playoffs, Roy had two pretty good games. He helped take the pressure of Miles Austin and was a key to the offensive production in those two wins.
This game is getting old.
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by Brandon Worley on Sep 8, 2010 10:38 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
He lead the league in drop percentage last year
If Crayton had been targeted on 1/2 of Roy’s drops, Crayton would have put up numbers that rivaled his 2007 season.
Bottom Line – A receiver who drops 45% of his passes is a bad receiver – whether he is overpaid or paid the rookie minimum.
by JimmyJohnson on Sep 8, 2010 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't buy it.
You’re telling me that on 45% of the passes aimed at Roy, he flat out dropped them?
Listen, I’ve gone back and watched every game from last season. Roy had some bad, bad drops. I don’t deny that. Did he not catch 45% of the passes in his direction? No he didn’t, but he didn’t flat out drop them.
What I didn’t see was a receiver who dropped half of the passes thrown his way. What I did see, was a receiver and a quarterback who were never on the same page. An accurate slant pass to Miles Austin would be over the head and behind Roy. The high passes Roy would have to try and snag on comeback routes.
For whatever reason, Romo isn’t as accurate when throwing to Roy as he is at the other receivers. Maybe that changes this season. I don’t put ALL the blame on Roy either. I don’t think, from our couches, we can actually determine who is at fault. Perhaps Roy shoulders most of the blame there, but not all.
Those drop stats are very subjective.
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by Brandon Worley on Sep 8, 2010 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions
An accurate slant pass to Miles Austin would be over the head and behind Roy.
Please tell me that you are not inferring that Romo is inaccurate only when it comes to Roy.
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I'm not saying he's ONLY inaccurate when throwing to Roy.
But go back and watch those games. Tell me that Romo’s passes to Roy, for whatever reason, were just as on target as those thrown to the rest of the receivers.
I’m not denying he didn’t drop easy passes, though, because that certainly happened as well.
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by Brandon Worley on Sep 8, 2010 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
So if ROmo is on target to the other receivers, and the only variable is ROY, doesn't that tell you who the problem is?
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i agree with Brandon...
For some reason Romo’s throws to Roy do seem a little bit off…maybe its a chemistry thing…but its hard to blame Roy for all of it…like the end zone throw against the Bengals in the pre-season…when Roy ran the perfect route and Romo still missed him…
For some reason RW and Romo haven't been on the same page.
Romo has no problem with the other WR, so RW is the problem in most fans opinion.
Lock n Load
While I generally agree with all of your points,
it makes no sense that Romo is far more accurate with everyone not named Roy. As Drew Pearson observed, RW is not getting in and out of his breaks cleanly because he’s playing too high. If he is not releasing cleanly, he’s not in the same rhythm as the other WRs. If the QB isn’t sure where the WR is going to be, he can’t throw to a spot… he has to wait to see the break first.
I think the hyperbole about RW is way way over top. Williams isn’t going to be better than Miles or long-term, Dex, but he can and will contribute and even make some key plays this season. We saw what I think is the future with RW in the two Philly games.
FREE THE OGLETREE!!!
Sorry to hear you are "tired" of it, but as long as Roy is trotting out on the field and not producing, you are going to hear it from some of us
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Go have a beer dude
Crybaby. Some folks just don’t like Roy, it is what it is and they’re upset about PC. Jerry showed him the money that coulda been spread around to more deserving players or admitted his mistake and moved on w/o RW.
I take more stock in what Michael Irvin says than anybody here or there or anywhere.
Just becuz you put yer boots in the oven don't make it bread
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 8, 2010 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Ah..yes...name calling. Classy.
Look, here’s my point in a nutshell.
Don’t expect Roy to ever live up that contract. It’s not going to happen. Right now he’s the third option in the passing game, soon he’ll be the fourth.
Saying that he’s “holding this team back” is just too much, in my opinion. He didn’t hold the team back last season, despite some pretty damn bad numbers.
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by Brandon Worley on Sep 8, 2010 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Really? Not holding the team back?
Would Miles have emerged last year if Roy didn’t get dinged and sit out the KC game?
When in doubt, empty your magazine
well since Jerry liked him before the season.
Yes… eventually
Although I'm not a Jets fan, and most certainly not a USC fan, I'll root for any team that Mark Sanchez plays for. Mark Sanchez for Superbowl MVP and President 2012. The change that only I can believe in.
Exactly! Eventually
And eventually Dez will overtake him. But until then, even with 2 more TD’s than PC, he’s not reliable.
That’s my gripe with RW. He’s not reliable. Someone posted a couple of days ago, that Romo may be hesitating just a blink before he throws to RW. That could explain so many passes behind or over his head.
Or, he’s just not where he’s supposed to be. I seem to recall PC was almost always exactly where Romo needed him to be.
When in doubt, empty your magazine
Austins been around since 2006
why did Jerry even go get Roy? Jerry was looking for a threat oppisite of TO when T.Glenn was released but they used Crayton instead of Austin. i don’t think Jerry has a ton of faith in Austin bc he’s been inconsistant in the past during training camps & had injury problems often. Jerry says 1 thing but does another…
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by Va_Cowboy_Fan on Sep 8, 2010 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions
Just trying to be funny
Sorry, it my funny sarcasm doesn’t always translate well. I respect your opinion about Roy it’s just some of us don’t have the same feelings about him that you do and we need to figure out why the heck there is a problem to begin with.
Have you ever played Pictionary with someone you possibly grew up with, or had such a “meeting of the minds” with, a sublime connection where all you had to do was draw a line a certain way, and then BOOM the word was guessed? Or a close companion where you could complete each other’s sentences, or have the same song on your mind without either having heard it in a while?
Never gonna happen with Tony and Roy. There is a big disconnect between them. They are from 2 different planets. Maybe an alternate universe. And, now that they are THINKING REAL HARD about it, it’s a freaking phobia, or some trick of the mind that will never be correctable.
So, I’m gonna go have a beer too sometime today and not worry about it too much, cuz WE’RE STUCK WITH ROY WILLIAMS. Yeah , I need to get over it. I don’t own the Dallas Cowboys.
Just becuz you put yer boots in the oven don't make it bread
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 8, 2010 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions
I'll take RW over a Crybaby any day
Now that’s a crybaby
Although I'm not a Jets fan, and most certainly not a USC fan, I'll root for any team that Mark Sanchez plays for. Mark Sanchez for Superbowl MVP and President 2012. The change that only I can believe in.
Yes, that was pretty pathetic
But the woman in me cried with him. I can see TO’s second career on GUIDING LIGHT or AS THE WORLD TURNS. He’d be a star there too :)
Just becuz you put yer boots in the oven don't make it bread
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 8, 2010 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions
that crybaby was real, real productive tho
way more productive than RW has ever been.
And he’s never gone into a club in Manhattan and shot himself in the leg. Or been accused of rape twice.
He’s a jerk. But he’s also never been arrested.
"They need security in the world, Craig!"
And he tore apart our locker room
but he had a great…. year and a half? Really?
Although I'm not a Jets fan, and most certainly not a USC fan, I'll root for any team that Mark Sanchez plays for. Mark Sanchez for Superbowl MVP and President 2012. The change that only I can believe in.
if someone can tear apart your locker room, it wasn't much of one to begin with...
don’t let ESPN dictate your view on sports …
but i guess plaxico is better. cause he shot himself but he didn’t tear up the locker room. or big ben. cause he’s got legal problems but he didn’t tear up the locker room …
guess that’s the most important thing …
"They need security in the world, Craig!"
I think what is most frustrating...
is that Crayton pretty much lost his job because Roy was here. But you’re right, that’s Jerry’s fault, not Roy’s. At times it seems like he was pressing a bit last year, probably due to all the negative coverage about him. He just needs to relax and I think he’ll be fine. It’s not like he’s forgot to play football. Crayton would have been a cheaper alternative to Roy (and more reliable to Tony), but Roy is younger and cost more to obtain. We’ll see. I agree with you, though, about Dez eventually being the starter if he can stay healthy and flash the potential he brings.
Its not like Crayton lit it up though when he got the start against the Chiefs.
While Austin chewed up that secondary, Crayton had a drop or two and fumbled twice.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Totally agree.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Amen brother
I’ll take 7 TDs in a ‘bad’ year from a WR any day, especially on a team that had issues scoring TDs in the red zone. The way I see it he can only get better this year, no way he catches fewer balls unless he gets hurt. If Dez steps up and plays well this season it just opens things up even more for Roy as a third WR.
by transmogrifier on Sep 8, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm with Brandon on this one
So it shall be written, so it shall be done.
by One.Cool.Customer on Sep 8, 2010 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions
The only fair thing to do this season
Is for the coaches and GM to disregard salaries and let the best players play. If it happens to be Roy, I’ll be a shocked, but I won’t hold it against him. If it turns out to be Dez, well so much the better.
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by accidental innuendo on Sep 8, 2010 10:54 AM CDT reply actions
I see it this way...
If Roy can replace Crayton’s numbers give or take and scores 7 or more toughdowns again, I will be happy. Then have Dez eventually take over that #2 spot, we got ourselves a pretty good top 3. Not a fan of all the Roy bashing. He may not have #1 receiver numbers but he at least has the right attitude often taking the blame.
Go Cowboys.....Go White Sox.....
I said the exact same thing last year. It's 10 vs. 11 out there
It is 10 vs. 11 when Roy Williams is on the field.
At the end of the season there were multiple games where Tony Romo would only throw to him once a game, that throw would be on the opening drive, and Roy would drop it.
If you play 50 minutes of football and don’t even look at Roy Williams, that’s 10 vs. 11. That’s why I can’t stand to see him on the field, his mere presence hinders our offense.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 8, 2010 11:02 AM CDT reply actions
I know not where of I speak,
but there is also down-field blocking. Is he any good at that?
Although I'm not a Jets fan, and most certainly not a USC fan, I'll root for any team that Mark Sanchez plays for. Mark Sanchez for Superbowl MVP and President 2012. The change that only I can believe in.
You guys are idiots...
Until defenses decide to let him go completely uncovered and just let him run around and play with the cheerleaders then it’s not 10 vs 11.
because they know that he is speaking figuratively
by I_miss_Switzer on Sep 8, 2010 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
'Figuratively', being a polysyllabic word, is going to go right over the heads of those who are taking Irvin literally
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by Seanrude on Sep 8, 2010 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
We know he wasn't being literal, it was still a dumb thing to say.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 8, 2010 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Are you saying the defense will stop covering RW? Just leave him wide open? As long as 1 CB covers RW, it is STILL 11 on 11. I like Irvin, But that idea is absolutely ridiculous.
Those are your words. Sounds to me like you were taking Irvin literally
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Sarcasm and exaggeration do not translate on screen.....
I just think Irvin’s exaggeration was just too far. It is personal now with him and RW.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 8, 2010 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought you were leaving this blog?
And starting your own.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Quoting yourself doesn't require your own name attached to it. I'm going to assume if there isn't anyone else's name attached it's yours.
Except that the other teams don't tend to acknowledge this.
At the very, VERY minimum, he still takes up a cornerback, reducing things to 10 v 10…which, if you think about it, makes him what would be called a Shutdown Corner, if he were on defense…hmmmmm.
God Bless Texas
by dwarfknight64 on Sep 8, 2010 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
So Roy is running wild uncovered in the secondary?
You still have to put a man on him. Irvin made a stupid statement. It’s more like it seems he can’t beat man coverage at times (by a lesser CB), and he doesn’t command double coverage for an elite WR (as far as what Jerry gave up to get him).
Do you not understand that Irvin was exaggerating to make a point?
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I think it's stupid to make an exaggeration like that on a national show...
but Lord knows he’s not the first. I just expect more out of him.
It doesn't matter if Romo never throws to RW.
Are you saying the defense will stop covering RW? Just leave him wide open? As long as 1 CB covers RW, it is STILL 11 on 11. I like Irvin, But that idea is absolutely ridiculous.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 8, 2010 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for clearing that up for us. Oh, wait, no you didn't
Irvin was exaggerating to make a point, the point being that Roy is not pulling his weight in the Cowboys offense.
Do you really not understand that? Really?
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I do understand that Irvin was exaggerating.
I did not take him literally. I was exaggerating too, because I think Irvin’s was just too far out there to even be within the realm of a criticism.
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 8, 2010 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions
I've never understood the hate for Roy
It’s unreal….
I’m trying to figure out the motivation behind it. I mean, the dude is a player on the team that you support. I would bet money that there are people on here that openly root against him – I can’t figure it out, but it’s like Cowboy ‘fans’ want him to fail. Weird.
You guys know that he has only played one friggin year right? 1. Uno. Onnnnnnnnnne. The guy was hobbling around on 1 foot when he first came here. Did he disappoint last year? Hell yes. I def had this image of him going 80, 1200, 8+, but it didn’t happen. Alright, let’s line up this year and see what happens. Seriously – if the guy does his part and the Cowboys go to and win the SB, do you really give 2 sh*ts what he got paid or what Jerry gave up for him? (Really sad to say, but I have no doubt people would still be on his butt).
Even stranger, it’s not like the guy has a TO personality or anything. Is he a little weird? Absolutely. There are def times where he says some things that I shake my head at, but the dude isn’t doing situps in his driveway or dancing on tv.
It also amazes me how many Crayton-huggers we have in here all of a sudden. Yeah, right…..where the heck were all you when Crayton pretty much dropped the Cowboys out of the NFC Championship game? Now all of a sudden, Crayton was the savior to this season? Puhhhhlease……
I am all for Dez coming out Randy Moss-style – but I am also smart enough that the Cowboys need Roy to play well to make a run. If he does the same this year, I have no doubt he’s gone. Just let the season play out, Chicken Littles.
I do not root against Roy. Roy just makes it impossible to root for him.
You wrote: I am also smart enough that the Cowboys need Roy to play well to make a run.
Some of us are smart to not bet on that happening
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Untrue:
“the Cowboys need Roy to play well to make a run”
Untrue:
if you say RW sucks you are a “hater.”
It’s the facts. the guy has SUCKED. On the field. That’s it.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Sep 8, 2010 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions
And off the field some of his antics have sucked too.
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 8, 2010 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah...
Typically #2 receivers that get 7 touchdowns in a season are labelled under “SUCKED” for that year.
Again, you guys are a morons.
7 tds doesn't make up
for a brutal success rate on his opportunities
by I_miss_Switzer on Sep 8, 2010 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
good intelligent argument
you’ve convinced me.
Anyone who thinks RW sucks is a moron, but you and about 5% of the fans can see the truth.
Good Job.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Sep 8, 2010 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Morons or Mormons? Is your blog up and running yet?
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Well, they do need him to play well since he's a starter for now and potential #3 if Dez passes him...
I don’t see Ogletree or Hurd passing him on the depth chart. But I guess you could also say Witten could be your 3rd option. Wow, that would be really bad.
It's just hard to understand his potential downfall...
from being a college football star and an elite WR is rookie year to me. I remember watching some of his games in Detroit. He had Joey Freaking Harrington staring him down and throwing only to him, and he was making great catches and runs. Everyone thought he was going to take off. I don’t know what happen. Maybe it’s ego or him not working hard after that season, thinking he was already great. You could see signs of it when he seemed to be the only WR not to care for Irvin’s advice.
Neither one of those chumps is Alvin Harper.
And if you don’t understand that what Jerry gave up for Roy not in cash but draft picks is a critical blow to the team’s ability to develop depth whatever they win with him putting up 46 for 750 (best case scenario) then you’re as lost as Roy on his pass routes.
I'm more worried about the running game.
If this team can’t run the ball, it might be a long night.
Lock n Load
+1000 there
I’m very curious to see that, and add in protecting Romo.
The Skins stuffed our O last year, and now the Boys are down two OLinemen. The D better come up big Sunday night.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, isn't it both? Realist Larry, 2009
by Realist Larry on Sep 8, 2010 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions
Here's the final point I'm going to make.
Roy Williams is a Dallas Cowboy. He’s on the field. I support him and I hope he succeeds.
Was he frustrating as hell to watch last season? Yes, he was.
But I did not and I do not think that he is “holding the team back”. Just seems to me there’s an incredible amount of hate out there for this guy, when he doesn’t have a bad attitude, just wants to win and is a sincere fella. Perhaps the pressure is too much, or whatever, but I also feel that expectations are a bit high.
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by Brandon Worley on Sep 8, 2010 11:11 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Hmm,
there’s a point to be had there. And I think if he were being paid number 2 or number 3 dollars, nobody would be bitching. But there is latant hostility that we could “buy” a better player or afford more draft picks, that angers people. It’s not really fair because Jerry is a good businessman, he makes mistakes. We live with it. But believe it or not, there’s a lot worse he could’ve done than trading for a good #2 WR, especially in the Red Zone, for number 1 money.
Although I'm not a Jets fan, and most certainly not a USC fan, I'll root for any team that Mark Sanchez plays for. Mark Sanchez for Superbowl MVP and President 2012. The change that only I can believe in.
Agree completely
I’d like to think Dallas ‘fans’ would have this dude’s back a little. I can make fun of my brother, but there’s no way you’re allowed to kind of thing.
Sure seems like a Philly thing to do – turn just downright ugly on your own team.
But that's the thing
I imagine every one of us hopes & prays Roy has an epiphany.
But it’s been two years!
And he ain’t a rook, he’s supposed to know this offence after 2 yrs. And he’s been playing WR his whole life. This isn’t a new position for him.
We’re Cowboys fans, and rabid ones at that, so he is our little brother and I think we are allowed to make fun of him. But we want him to succeed.
When in doubt, empty your magazine
Not only has it been two year in Dallas, look at his career in Detroit
Other than his big year, which if any Roy Defenders are honest, is clearly an anomaly, the guy was an average wideout at best
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Spelling police? Here?
You’ve got big job ahead of you. But, thanks for the smiley face.
That made your cogent and succinct comment much easier with which to live. :)
When in doubt, empty your magazine
He may have meant well...
and it’s been a long time since I shot anyone ;-)
When in doubt, empty your magazine
Goodness Gracious
Brandon, nobody “hates” Roy. Hate is such a strong word that people use to cover way too wide a range of emotion. The bottom line is that he is a Dallas Cowboy and we have high standards. We are spoiled. We want a SB team and we want it NOW, this season in their own stadium. Hey I’ll get on that RW bandwagon as soon as him and Tony are BFF2. Seriously, nobody here hates Roy, we just expect more from him and damn well better deliver it. We Cowboy fans deserve it, his teamates deserve it and the money man sure deserves to get what he paid for, even if his pockets are 10 miles deep.
That’s all, let us smoke peace pipe tomato ;)
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by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 8, 2010 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I "hate" him.
Then again, if he catches the winning ball in the next week or two I will love him and proclaim I always have.
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 8, 2010 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL' that's the American way.
JFK got 51% of the vote in 1960, after his death 75% of the people said they voted for him.
Lock n Load
by DIRE WOLF on Sep 8, 2010 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 8, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
hey just remmeber
Last year in Tampa week 1 Roy looked like he turned the corner.. but sadly he was just holding back Austin
Really?! Really?!
I'll take another 60+ yarder to open the season from him.
Every bit of hope helps.
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 8, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
Haha...
Don’t worry about me. I have prey thick skin.
I just feel that, since day one, expectations have been just way too high. I’ve watched him play since UT and I’ve never had any false expectations for what he is as a receiver.
Jerry panicked in 2008. He traded for a recover to hopefully compliment TO in a season that was floundering.
Roy is a possession receiver that is being paid to be much more. He was disappointing last season, by far, but he will never be able to live up to the expectations fans have for him.
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by Brandon Worley on Sep 8, 2010 3:42 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
If Roy and Romo ever develop the chemistry that Romo had with TO, Miles, Crayton, Witten, Phillips, Glenn et al, I will buy a Roy Williams Longhorn Jersey and wear it all day every day
Anybody want to take bets on me having to wear that jersey? Any takers?
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I think it's kinda funny people are mad because of the money
Not my money. I don’t care. If he was being paid league minimum, hell he’d be a damn decent 2nd wr apparently. I like the guy, he does have his on-field issues, but he works his butt off and he doesn’t really make too many excuses.
You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more
Excuses: The sun and bad passes from Romo ring in my ear.
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 8, 2010 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions
Huh?
How does the sun ring in your ear? What the heck have you been smoking this morning? JK! use quotes, you’re a writer here :)
Gawd I’m so bitchy today
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by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 8, 2010 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
meow!
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 8, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Hope I'm purring
After Sunday night. I’m worried about them in Washington, always have, always will. Redskins can play like a turd on a stick for the rest of the season but not when it comes to the Cowboys. Makes it interesting but I’ll have to go get my hair recolored afterwards.
Just becuz you put yer boots in the oven don't make it bread
by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 8, 2010 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions
30 days from now.......meow !
heheheheheheh
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
+100
Roy Williams is a Dallas Cowboy. He’s on the field. I support him and I hope he succeeds.
I’ll just add that I think the persistent complaining is an immature behaviour.
Little kids cry and cry and cry and cry when the don’t get what they want.
Adults don’t.
by Fan in Thick and Thin on Sep 8, 2010 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
i agree its not Roy holding the team back
if it anybody holding the team back its Jerry. he makes a great decision then does something crazy. and since that new stadium has been built it seems like Jerry has been pinching pennies & if all else fails then he uses Wade as the scapegoat. i much rather seen Flozell at LT this year w/ Free as the swing tackle, especially w/ Colombo having injury problems last year. getting Barron didn’t help things bc if you think the Rams were in business to trade a decent OL after getting a 50 million dollar QB then you lost your mind. heck even they were smart enough to cut Carpenter. we’ll see how Holland & Barron do sunday….
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by Va_Cowboy_Fan on Sep 8, 2010 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
I think everyone hopes he proves us all wrong and comes up with a 1,300 yard 11 TD season
I would love to be absolutely wrong. Nothing would please me wrong to see this team holding up a Lombardi trophy and for me to be wrong about Roy.
Problem is we live in a land of facts and reality, not hope.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 8, 2010 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions
He won't put up 1000,
and frankly I don’t care if he does. I want to see EFFICIENCY when it goes his way. That’s all
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agreed, if roy makes the most of his ops , then i would feel better about him
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
The only stats I care about are TD's
and 3rd down conversions. Just give me the 7 TD’s from last year and don’t drop 3rd down passes and I’ll be happy.
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by fan since '65 on Sep 8, 2010 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
What if Irvin is playing with RW's head.
And just said that to try and make RW prove him wrong?
- "If you know so much about women why are you here at the Gas 'n' Sip on a Saturday night completely alone drinking beers with no women anywhere?"
- "By choice! Man"
by fan since '65 on Sep 8, 2010 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope you are right, and I hope it works
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This is what I thought when I read about Irvin's comment.
While there may be some bad blood with Roy blowing off his advice, I think this a tough love sort of statement; a prove me wrong type of statement like Emmitt’s last year; some reverse psychology to light a fire.
Here's the thing....
Michael Irvin is a HALL OF FAMER AND SUPER BOWL CHAMPION. That gives him the right to say ANYTHING he wants about the current crop of Cowboys receivers. He earned that right with the ring and the bust in Canton.
MI worked his ASS OFF every day as if he would be playing the Super Bowl each sunday. His work ethic was like no other. He came to play and I think we ALL remember his nickname. MI was all about WINNING and took each loss personally.
Can you honestly say RW has ANY of these qualities?? Do you honestly think that RW has a winning attitude? IF he is a starting WR in the NFL then WHY IN HELL doesn’t he play like it?? By the way, I’m NOT a RW hater. I just look at his production, or lack thereof on the field and base my conclusions on that. For what the Cowboys paid for him, it’s a piss poor return.
"Drew is a winner"....Roger Staubach
on e thing i noticed a few times last year and the one before that.......
there were times that the ball was dropped or a pattern wasnt run correctly and the bal went elswhere, what got me was… rw would smile and open his hands or trott back to the line shakin his head but still have a smile on it,,,, thaat ! is what angered me !
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
Sorry, but I have zero faith in Roy and only he can restore that faith.
Do I want him to succeed? Sure, he’s a Cowboy.
Do I think he will string together a number of productive seasons with this team? No, but that’s my opinion.
Something about him just doesn’t fit with this squad, whether it’s what they expect from him in this style of offense, or his lack of chemistry with Romo. I have no doubt he can break a big gainer or catch some redzone TDs, but he hasn’t shown to be that game-on-the-line kind of guy.
Yes, Miles will drop a pass or two as I’m sure Dez will. But Miles can win the game for you. He fights to make a play whereas Roy is cool for picking up a first down here and there, but watch him run outta bounds instead of turning on the jets—ala the first gave @Eagles.
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 8, 2010 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree with that.
That’s probably the general consensus here about Roy.
jerry to blame i would say.....
did jerry and the coach and recievers coach look at game film of roy? i sure hope so, and if they did, well.. one would have had to of seen that he runs tall off the line and is slow out of his cuts. he cant turn his cuts with the same speed and his hands were a lil suspect as well. that said, jerry gave up too much for him, i would have never gave up what jewrry did for him, he over paid and over expected RW to come in over one good season and be a great wr, that was jerrys fault in my estimation,. did the hc or wr coach say jerry this guy might not fit what we want to do ? and if so then jerry didnt listen to reason, again jerrys fault. im not the bigest fan of RW, but they have to figure a way to make him work out either way or dez will be takin his place before this season is over, if jerry puts his mistake behind em and realizes , the best players should start.
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
RW will come through this year!
Trust me (I hope please please please)
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Projected 2010 Record: 12-4. You heard it here first
Actually to clarify,
he will perform in the role he is given. I hope Dez gets a lot of playing time, but if Roy came in for 3 receiver sets and Dez moved to the slot I would be ecstatic. I think he will perform as in not have such a horrible Pass Attempt/Completion ratio… and drops
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I'd love to eat crow on the issue..
but I wouldn’t put money on it.
by NerdVernacular on Sep 8, 2010 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd eat crow for this anyday
of the week. As long as I can put some Louisiana Hot Sauce on it.
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by dcfansinceiwasababy on Sep 8, 2010 12:07 PM CDT up reply actions
What's LHS compare to?
I’ve been on a Sriracha kick lately. Good stuff.
by NerdVernacular on Sep 8, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Along with Beer, Sriracha is proof that god loves us and wants us to be happy
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Looking up a crockpot recipe for crow now.
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 8, 2010 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions
arrg! PASS!
lol
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
I would eat crow for breakfast lunch and dinner
I hope Roy makes me eat crow because that will mean the Cowboys will be unstoppable.
I just think that is going to be an unanswered prayer
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yeah i thionk just about all of us would like roy make us eat crow, but then, we wouldnt have to eat crow if roy in the first place would jus go after the ball like dez and irvin does or did, but yeah id like a healthy servin of crow stew ..Aaron !
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
Sean, you got a beer that would go good with crow?
I’m just hoping here.
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by Aaron Novinger on Sep 8, 2010 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions
How is the crow being prepared?
If it is grilled, I’d go with Moylan’s Hopsicle; In a soup, Dogfish Head Sahtea; Crow Salad, you’d want something a bit lighter, a saison like Victory Helios; Roast of Crow, get an imperial stout, like Oskar Blues Ten Fidy
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by Seanrude on Sep 8, 2010 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
An IPA for deep fried crow, either Victory Hop Devil or Sierre Nevada Torpedo IPA
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I think the reason a lot of Dallas fans are still vocal
about their distaste in Roy Williams, is in the slim hope that Jerry will someday send him packing, saving Jason Garrett the embarrassment of starting him over more productive receivers (while I certainly hope and believe Dez will be)
I would like him to put up a good season before sending him away for nothing.
If he can show his potential at least a little we might get something for him and roll with the Miles/Dez show.
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yup, jeremiah.....
if RW has a descent season it might up his trade value, but jerry might also think that he might be worth keepin another season .. ugh !
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
living up to the contract
i think we as cowboys fans along with the organization as the mighty dallas cowboys…
we have to hold roy williams to lofty expectations. im not gonna sit around and say
well he will never live up to that contract, we have to accept what he is now.
screw that. live up to your contract or be unceremoniously cut.
with the weapons around him here, theres no reason for him to not have another
killer season or two. this is what baffles me.
in a sense i agree with irvin. not for what hes saying, but what he means. hes putting
it out there that if roy isnt the roy we need him to be….then get him the hell off the field
and put in the kid. and if he sucks we move on from there as well.
by burningstarIV on Sep 8, 2010 12:23 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
agreeed !
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
Eff the effing contract!
Are you the owner? Is it your money?
So you are saying that you would love RW if he was being paid 1.7 mil, like Hurd? He is still the same guy. 7 TD’s a year is 7 TD’s a year, and I’ll take it every year out of one of our many weapons.
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by fan since '65 on Sep 8, 2010 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
The issue I had with the segment wasn't what Irvin said, but what Faulk had to say.
That guy just rubs me the wrong way.
That's because the guy is really pompous.
The guy still had a hard time giving Dallas props after knocking off the Saints in the Superdome.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
For some reason...
he takes this holier than thou attitude when he talks, like he is so sure he is right. It’s really annoying. Keep Eisen and Playmaker on there and get rid of everyone else (Mooch, Faulk, Deion). Sapp is ok I guess.
Faulk has that constipated look when he talks...
Sapp rode the Cowboys pretty hard last year until they started to win some big games…he’s not a fan, but he can be swayed by results. Faulk has a stick up his @ss about the Cowboys…he’s very slow in his compliments and quick with his criticism. The guys is very negative and is quick to call out someone. Irvin is a homer, but he tries to be fair even with NFC East foes…
Probably jealous his Rams screwed the pooch when they should've had at least another ring.
The guy is under appreciated though as from ‘99-’01 he was far more unstoppable than dangerous than Barry Sanders because of all the different ways he could beat you. I’d probably still count on Emmitt behind that massive O-line to get it done before the Greatest Show on Turf but Faulk in that scheme was the worst match up nightmare there’s probably ever been.
"he’s very slow in his compliments and quick with his criticism. The guys is very negative and is quick to call out someone."
You just hit the nail on the head for what I was trying to say about Faulk. Loved him as a player, but there’s a certain smugness about him as an analyst. I think he probably hates the Cowboys because there’s so much hype on them, basically the Yankees of the NFL.
what id faulk say...
didnt see the interview….
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
its on dcfanatic site ..
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by scotscowboyfan on Sep 8, 2010 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions
this story needed the link to the irvin comments or the show...didnt see it .
woman !, dont try to understand em, dont try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
Probably should have...
Here’s the link I found to part of the interview on youtube… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAd45bCxCg4
Michael Irvin/ Roy Williams
Irvin wears his heart on his sleeve and has the team at heart also so has the right to criticise anybody. Williams has not shown much heart yet but hope it improves this year and he has a 1000 yd season. Anyway looking forward to Sunday night although it will be a 1.20pm Monday morning start.
Go Cowboys!!!!!
Man I hope Roy proves everyone wrong this year
Here’s hoping with a combination of:
1. more time with Romo to get their timing down (preseason didn’t inspire much confidence in this regard)
2. Roy working on his technique of staying lower, getting out of his breaks faster, etc
3. Garrett using him more to his strengths in terms of the types of routes he runs, and
4. taking advantage of single coverage with so many other weapons on the field…
that Roy is able to play a valuable role in the offense this year to move the chains effectively and score some red zone TDs for us.
ROY E WILLIAMS
My anger from Roy situation is a hope that Jerry doesnt tear down the foundation that Parcells left for him. He traded for Galloway and we thought he learned his lesson and than he does it again for Roy. Its not Roy’s fault Jerry is a moron and doesnt realize how valuable a 1 and 2 are. The real problem here is the damn O line. We did nothing to fix it while the Redskins went and traded for Jamaal Brown for basically nothing. We trade picks for receivers, we use our top picks on receivers, for what? Every time were losing a big game its because our O line cannot block for Romo…..ie Giants, Vikings in playoffs. Get a damn general manager that can not only make solid picks, but solid picks in the areas we need them.
Irvin
As for Irvin, stop calling out Roy, he didn’s ask to be traded for a 1 and 2. Call out the man who pulled the trigger, the man who paid him, the man who continues to decide he is our best option at receiver and that man is Jerry Jones. Please Irvin, we love you as fans, but that was when you were catching touchdowns and giving great hall of fame speeches. I dont really give a rats ass what you think about Roy Williams unless your going to criticize your man crush Jerry.
by BleedBlueStar on Sep 9, 2010 3:15 AM CDT up reply actions
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