Martellus Bennett: "Rumors about me being traded"
by Dave Halprin on Jan 12, 2011 9:01 AM CST
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PrintIt's a brave new world. Athletes now break news about themselves on Twitter. The latest? Marty B., who reports on his Twitter account that he is hearing rumors about being traded.
His exact tweet:
Rumors about me being traded. Always possible I dunno. But I do know I'm ready to be the guy.
There should be rumors about Marty B. being traded. Obviously Jason Witten is the number one guy in Dallas, that's just a fact. But what a lot of us have forgotten about is that John Phillips had basically supplanted Bennett as the number two tight end in Dallas before he was injured and lost for the season in the pre-season. Phillips was always a good blocker, but he started to show some skill in the passing game before he went down. He's also versatile, the Cowboys can line him up in the backfield as a hybrid fullback, something they just can't do with Bennett.
Now, Bennett has been pretty good at run blocking from the end of the offensive line, he's improved greatly in that area since he's come into the league. But Phillips is no slouch in that area either, and he has the greater versatility. Bennett has never become the pass-catching phenom we all thought he would with his athleticism and size. It's just never come to fruition.
So Dallas has an all-world tight end in Witten, and an effective and versatile backup in John Phillips. Does that leave any room for Marty B.? Not really, so it makes all the sense in the world that the Cowboys would be shopping him.
Still, I never expected Martellus Bennett to break the news about rumors of his own trade. That's the new reality in sports.
Should the Cowboys trade Marty B.? Is John Phillips the man as the backup? Your opinions are needed.
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Phillips never supplanted Bennett as the 2nd Tight End
I think we’re over estimating Phillips skill and accomplishments vs Bennett’s
That said, Dallas probably doesn’t need a very gifted 2nd TE and could use draft picks more
yes you are
however, this is my last time to defend Bennett. Saying he is ready “to be the guy” makes me now despise him. What a shithead.
The reason he hasn’t produced in the passing game is opportunities not ability.
I can’t get past this statement though. I’m done with him.
Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK
John Phillips can't make the field 1 year in 2
in the mean time Martellus Bennett has 700 career yards with a 15 yard per catch average, which is a very high number; Marty’s lowest year average is 10, while Phillips only got 8 yards a catch his rookie year.
I don’t see how fans can knock Sean Lee for being injury prone and not sweat John Phillips
by AustonianAggie on Jan 12, 2011 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
John Phillips has 62 yards in his career, by the way
by AustonianAggie on Jan 12, 2011 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
True
But he was the best player on the field in the game in which he got hurt. Against Cincy’s first teamers.
If he had stayed healthy, he would have almost certainly supplanted Bennett as the #2 receiving tight end (don’t know that he’ll ever be as good a blocker as Tellus).
by rabblerousr on Jan 12, 2011 11:46 AM CST up reply actions
regardless
of how much a physical freak Marty B is he is still a knucklehead. Even if Phillips is slightly less of an efficient Tight End, H-back, blocker, receiving threat, etc. It would be better to go with him in the long run. He fights for where he has gotten and learns from past mistakes.
Witten has even been impressed with him.
I’ll take the senator’s seal of approval any day.
How many youtube videos or interviews has Phillips gotten in trouble with? or how many times in his limited action has he fought for that extra yard to get the first down and not just run out of bounds on a 3rd down play?
I’d take Phillips for the intangibles/professionalism over MartyB any day.
Nope. Bennett's average per reception this year is only 7.9 and it has dropped each year.
In 2009, Phillips was in on 239 plays from scrimmage, mostly blocking but he has good pass catching skills. And if you consider his pre-season stats, he averaged 11.2 yards per reception. Besides, even Jason Witten only averaged 10.7 this year and he is All-World. Average per reception is not the only factor in considering Phillip’s value to the team.
"....the Cowboy way...." (Head Coach, Jason Garrett)
He wasn't referring to Bennett's average per catch THIS YEAR
Austonian Aggie said for Bennett’s CAREER
He said Marty's lowest year he averaged 10.
That’s not true. This year he averaged 7.9.
"....the Cowboy way...." (Head Coach, Jason Garrett)
his average per catch was 7.9 in 2010 my bad. Either way, Marty B sees the field a lot in Dallas and the formations he’s in on usually do very well. I’m much more interested in trading guys who really don’t see the feild like Tashard Choice
by AustonianAggie on Jan 12, 2011 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
I’d be legitimately upset if we traded Tashard. I think he has more talent than he has been given opportunities to show. When both running backs were hurt last year, Choice stepped up and did a great job. I think that our running game should be Felix and Choice, as long as we trade or release Barber.
by dallaschica92 on Jan 12, 2011 3:14 PM CST up reply actions
He sees the field just fine
The “problem” isn’t the seeing, it’s the opportunities. Yes, I know that’s how you mean it. And this is purely info-gathering on my part.
So here’s still-potentially fragile Felix, jury’s still out on that one, behind our OLine, even slightly improved, with some other RB option backing him up, rookie draft prospect, FA pickup, what-have-you. Actually, what have you? Whom, please? Barber? Someone else?
I’ll stick with something we’ve relied on and has some Cowboys-proof behind it. But I’m honestly interested in what your option is there, because maybe it’s a smarter option and I’ll need to re-think this.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
I thought Austonian Aggie was referring to Marty B's
CAREER AVERAGE PER CATCH…WHICH IS 10
Ok, let's try this again....
Here is what he said about Marty B’s career….
career yards with a 15 yard per catch average
… and here is what he said about Marty B’s specific year…
Marty’s lowest year average is 10
Both statements were wrong.
The Career average per catch is not 15 but 10.3, and
The Lowest year average is not 10 but 7.9
AA acknowledged his error very humbly and graciously. All is well now. Let’s carry on…..
"....the Cowboy way...." (Head Coach, Jason Garrett)
Yeah. Phillips has 62 yards in his career...
Being in the league for two years, one as a third string undrafted rookie. Give me a break, man.
And Bennett having 700 career yards being “a very high number” is laughable for a guy who’s been in the league 3 years and has been given every opportunity by Garrett to get into the game.
He is a good blocker, though…
by Admiral Dallas on Jan 12, 2011 1:41 PM CST up reply actions
We can have this conversation because ...
we have Witten. We know that our #2 TE isn’t going to need to be a phenom because he will be the #2 TE.
That being said, we have:
UDFA vs. 2nd Round Pick
Which player is better? How many players that have seen playing time for 3 years haven’t lived up to their potential yet? With John Philips in preseason, he was very, very good. I would say he’s likely to be at least as good as Bennet is right now. Does he have more talent? Not likely. He’d have done something to earn being drafted if he was overloaded with talent.
I’m not impressed with Marty B. I was absolutely shocked with JP in the preseason, especially when he was the hybrid FB.
Even if Marty B is the better TE and ends up always the better TE than Philips, I think we should still shop him so we can either get a better player to plug our holes, or to get better draft spots.
I like Barber. I really do. The only thing I don’t like is his parading after a run. Other than that, I like him. I’m torn, though. I think we could shop him and get some decent talent, but I also think we could line him up as a hybrid FB/H-back, too. He does have at least decent hands. He can block. He might not have that oomph he had a couple years ago, but he has enough that defenses would have to make sure he wasn’t getting the ball on the play.
It pains me to say this, but I think it’s time to see what we can get for Barber. We have Jones and we have Choice. It’s very nice to have 3 good backs, but will Barber accept the pay cut that would be commensurate with his new role? I doubt it very much.
by Northern Cowboy on Jan 13, 2011 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
Kind of hard
to get on the field when you have a torn ACL. During his rookie year, he was primarily used as a blocking TE only and the H back role. When Bennett got hurt last year Phillips filled in nicely. He looked much better than Bennett did. Hands where better, routes where crisper.
Bennett is a head case and a media hound. I’ll be happy the day he is off the team.
huh?
A single season-ending injury doesn’t equal injury prone. Sean Lee was constantly dinged up with different issues all year. Lee = prone. Phillips = not prone. If you want to argue he’s going to be an injury prone player, fine, that’s your opinion. But no way are the two cases the same.
BTW: Phillips WAS ready to supplant Marty B who I still can’t believe Jerry didn’t take that first round pick for.
by BlueStarDude on Jan 12, 2011 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
NO WAY....
Marty B was hurt for the early part of the preseason and Philips took advantage of the opportunity and put in a solid effort in the first preseason game. Then everyone wanted Phillips to replace Marty B, that was until Marty B played his first preseason game (I think it was game 3) and show that he’s our number 2 TE and dominated the other teams backup players, thus quieting the John Phillips chant….
phillips tore his ACL, thats totally different from small nagging injuries
Sean Lee was hurt in almost every game this year it seemed. Phillips was hurt once and it was a mojor 1
Where are you getting a 15 yard per catch average?
2008 = 14.2 yd avg
2009 = 10.6 yd avg
2010 = 7.9 yd avg
Total = 10.3 yd avg
"....the Cowboy way...." (Head Coach, Jason Garrett)
A no-brainer...
As long as Phillips is tracking for a complete recovery, I don’t think this is a tough call. Having someone to eventually supplant Witten as he gets older, is a “nice-to-have” considering the holes on the O Line and in our secondary. Let him go for some kind of late round pick (dare I say a 3rd???) and worry about grooming a new version of Witten in next years draft or the one after that.
Bennett and Phillips
are different types of players. Like was mentioned, Phillips is able to line up in the backfield in a hybrid role and lead block etc.
But when it comes to inline blocking at the LOS, Bennett blows both Phillips and Witten out of the water. Bennett is one of the top TEs when it comes to blocking in the entire league. And he IS very talented. But he is still the BACKUP TIGHT END! My freaking goodness it drives me crazy when people complain about him not putting up big numbers.
Also, Phillips never supplanted Bennett as the 2nd Tight End as Austonian pointed out.
We are set with 3 TEs who are all assets to this team. If someone gives us a good offer for Marty B, then sure, pull the trigger. But to actively shop him and to complain about his numbers is ridiculous.
unless we get a better fullback
our tight ends are very important players—especially with the o-line in need of help. We NEED (not want) two quality players—and can’t count on no injuries. So sure, a second-tight-end who isn’t that much better than the third is not worth holding onto at all cost, but if we lose Phillips or Bennett, we will have to replace them. Plus you’re dreaming if you think you’ll get even as high as a third round pick for any tight end not named Witten.
This is exactly how we ended up with Gronk.
Phillips and Cricket both got hurt. So we IR’d one and cut the other.
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by fan since '65 on Jan 12, 2011 1:33 PM CST up reply actions
I don't expect him to put up big numbers. I just expect to see some of the "freakish athleticism" we have heard about, and I never have
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we were promised mismatches
and he seems very ordinary.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 12, 2011 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I thought about the 'freak' title when I saw him make a mighty 6" jump for a ball in the end zone
Unfortunately, I don’t remember if he caught it, but I don’t think so. Not catching it would have planted it in my failing memory.
I’m 62 and I can jump higher than that, even while moving. LOL, had to as I was teaching my granddaughters to catch and throw – they were a little inaccurate at the beginning (softball – all 3 are infielders, 2 are SS) ;-)
When in doubt, empty your magazine
Mostly...
Agreed, just 50/50 coin-flip on the whole Bennett/Phillips-supplanted debate. It’s essentially irrelevant overall, given the 2 guys in question.
One question I’d like answered is: Witten, Bennett, Phillips, Felix, Dez/Austin, who’re you going to cover and how? Hell, just to make it interesting, make it Phillips/Gronk. Make it, no Felix and Dez, Austin. Make it…
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Kind of depends on how the pocket holds up
Not even Romo can throw when he’s on his back. 1st things 1st. We have no OL!
When in doubt, empty your magazine
Terry, where are ya when I want your input?...
Tell this guy about Superman’s Romo’s scrambling, gun-slinging, make-something-from-nothing, near-godlike powers. Call me when you’re done. ;)
I mean, ummm… – OLine, we don’ need no steenking OLine…
Umm, I mean… – hey, you Phillips and Felix blocking-abilities supporters, handle this willya? And yes, Terry, I’m looking in your direction again (re: Felix) among others. Call me when you’re done.
That, my friend, is called delegating. Appropriate utilization of resources. Mortars before howitzers. ;)
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
LOL, nice cover on the retreat ;-)
BTW, howitzers 1st – they shoot from a loooonnnggg way off. Mortars are much closer, so necessarily everyone else is closer. Just remember, if they’re in range for you, you’re in range for them ;-)
When in doubt, empty your magazine
Excuse me for being...
efficient, not expending resources best saved for bigger game/targets. You should be considering a mortar high-compliment considering it’s barely worthy of a sniper’s bullet. And I’d not ask a man to do something I myself wouldn’t, tending to be out beyond the line anyways.
But, if you insist…
You just keep pursuing the feint. ;
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
LOL - in that case why wasn't it a bayonet? No munitions cost & reusable ;-)
Romomentous IX is truly awesome to behold. He has made our OL actually look as though they can really play in the NFL for 4 years now.
But when the sword (Romomentous IX) is broken, we need something better than that flimsy excuse for an OL we have now.
Besides, even though Romomentous IX can make very mortal OL’s look godlike, I imagine he’d like a few reps where he didn’t have to run for his life and have to use his awesome powers to make a play. Then he could really use his awesome arsenal, Dez, Miles, Felix, whoever ends up a WR3, always Witten, even Gronk occasionally (if he ever forgives him ;-)
When in doubt, empty your magazine
Solely because...
this is one case I’d judged making the noise to bring attention to the price paid to be worthwhile. Otherwise, silence is much prefered. Much.
Ummm, it’ll be Spike. Reusable, reliable and “truly awesome to behold”, so I’ve been told. ;)
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Told ya, p#$$y-outstubborning...- you were warned beforehand ;)
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Right, right, Jedi...
Your memory’s not failed as much as mine. Besides, there was the blue kryptonite thing. ;)
Sic ’em, tiger.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Yes, I stand corrected and humbled
Goldnboi7 in his epic fanposts named him Romomentous IX, Jasonidas’ sword in battle.
So, Jedi and all that (Romomentous IX) – does this make 2011 “The New Hope?” ;-)
When in doubt, empty your magazine
Blocking?
Per ProFootballFocus, Witten grades higher in both pass blocking and run blocking than does M.Bennett.
"....the Cowboy way...." (Head Coach, Jason Garrett)
Witten is...
so far beyond stats-comparisons, with respect to our TE’s or anyone else’s, past or present, I don’t even see them in the rear-view mirror anymore. Saying that with all due respect to his stats, others’ stats, stats in general and the qualities of the individuals involved. And the fact I’ll pull them out in argument when the comparison’s made, not saying I won’t. But it’s not a remotest consideration any longer. And yeah, I’m biased. Openly, freely admitted and damn proud and happy to be.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
This is going to end up WAY down the thread.
Reply to BigD88 on Jan 12 @ 10:13:
But when it comes to inline blocking at the LOS, Bennett blows both Phillips and Witten out of the water. Bennett is one of the top TEs when it comes to blocking in the entire league. And he IS very talented. But he is still the BACKUP TIGHT END! My freaking goodness it drives me crazy when people complain about him not putting up big numbers.Roy Williams is also a great blocker. Probably the best blocking WR on the team. And Roy is a BACK UP WR! It drives me crazy when people complain about him not putting up big numbers.
See what I did there?
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by fan since '65 on Jan 12, 2011 1:30 PM CST up reply actions
Sly bugger.
;
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
GET A 2ND ROUNDER!
My mantra for this offseason is: I don’t care what you have to do* get an extra F*ing 2nd rounder for this draft.
*without trading away a “core” player or out of the 1st round.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jan 12, 2011 9:14 AM CST reply actions
I don't think anyone is tossing us a 2nd
for Marty.
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 12, 2011 9:26 AM CST up reply actions
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
Someone might trade us a 2nd for MartyB. After all we traded the ranch for RW. We can’t be the only stupid team in the league.
When in doubt, empty your magazine
yep
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
And Al Davis is still in Oakland, right?
"....the Cowboy way...." (Head Coach, Jason Garrett)
Not sure...
I want Jerry talking with Al, not now that that there seem to be indications of a parting of the ways, so to speak. Let’s just leave that thought on the back-burner a bit.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Cincinati Offered a 1st Rounder for Marty B in 2008
The only thing more stupid than offering a 1st round pick for a #2 TE was Jerry turning it down.
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jan 12, 2011 12:33 PM CST up reply actions
*2009
The Ohio State Buckeyes are your Sugar Bowl champions... and for the 7th year in a row Michigan still sucks.
by Blue Eyed Devil on Jan 12, 2011 12:34 PM CST up reply actions
I refer you to...
Defense exhibit one: Press conference, Jan 6, 2011. Cowboys Stadium.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
we may not be the only one
but we set the bar high!
by I_miss_Switzer on Jan 12, 2011 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
ROFL - no one can say Jerry doesn't try hard - just witness the height of that bar ;-)
When in doubt, empty your magazine
Geez, don't let the big guy near the bar...
not now, not when things just might be…
Awww, hell, he deserves a drink, a toast even. Besides, might keep him occupied a bit.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Keep him at the bar, especially when it's our turn to pick! Even add some groupie hotties to occupy his... whatever
It could be his finest hour ;-)
When in doubt, empty your magazine
I wouldn't say
that Phillips had subplanted him, but, was well on his way on doing so. I do believe that Phillips should be the number 2 guy next year. He is a work horse just like his mentor in Witten.
Now that being said, Bennett did have a much better season this year than that of last. He did increase his trade value IMO. I would say a 2nd rounder or maybe a 3rd to say Arizona, St Louis, Carolina who are need of a good TE to help a young QB succeed.
I think Marty B would actually attract (and perhaps require) the opposite situation: a team with a good QB to help a young TE succeed. I think he could be a good fit in ATL (to succeed Tony G) or Baltimore—but I couldn’t see either of those organizations giving more than a 4th for him…
by greatwhitenorth on Jan 12, 2011 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
i didnt think you could trade players till theres a new CBA?
without knowing if there will be or how much a salary cap will be, i didnt think player trades could happen yet.?.
I am sure you can
after the SB up until the CBA expires. So from Feb 7 till Mar 2nd, I am pretty sure players could be traded.
This^
http://min.scout.com/2/1038633.html
The first backlash of the pending lockout could be that, while the draft in April will go on as scheduled, until there is a collective bargaining agreement in place, the league won’t allow free agent signings or player trades. As a result, those players who are disgruntled with their current teams will remain so
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Jan 12, 2011 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
If you can then if you cold get a 2nd or 3rd for him do it.
i just fear he will find his mojo after he is traded. i remember jimmy smith.
co-sign
"Treat a person as he is, and he will remain as he is. Treat a person as if he were where he could be and should be, and he will become what he could be and should be." - Jimmy Johnson
Yeah that sucked
but I don’t fault the Cowboys for that. Jimmy Smith had some very serious health issues. They waited a couple of years in fact. But man it would have been very nice to see him and Irvin lined up together in the late 90’s.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 12, 2011 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
Phillips is a Witten starter kit...
There are so many similarities between Phillips and Witten it’s scary. Is Phillips as good as Witten? Heck no. Could he be? Possibly. Either way, it’s clear that Garrett prefers the flexibility that Witten and Phillips offer over Bennett’s potential.
Bennett clearly has the athleticism you seek in a TE and he has become almost a second tackle when blocking, but defenses don’t worry about him in the passing game. You’d think that would give him an advantage, but QBs have never developed the trust level with him that they have with Phillips and Witten. It might go beyond just the drops as well, it might have something to do with Bennett running poor routes and not recognizing the defenses like Witten has been doing and Phillips was beginning to understand. No matter what the cause, Bennett is still only ‘potential’. Like Landry said and Parcells repeated, if you don’t produce after three years, potential will get you fired. Time to cut bait.
potential will get you fired
Yep, agreed.
Bennett, like many young men, squander valuable time in sometimes crucial situations. And some rise from it afterward, maturing to be what the lesson teaches them. It’ll depend on someone else’s decision as to whether the “maturing” timeframe, risk and potential reward of an alternative makes him keeper, bait or throwaway.
Speaking from experience.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Maybe Marty B wanted to stir things up a bit
and get people talking about him. You know what they say about publicity. Maybe he doesn’t know the rules BigD88 refers to. Or maybe it’s just wishful thinking on his part: “I dunno. But I do know I’m ready to be the guy.”
Maybe he realizes he’s never going to be the guy while Whitten’s here playing well and wishes he would get traded.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
It wouldn't surprise me...
if that were the case.
But, it also wouldn’t surprise me if the FO is putting out feelers so when the CBA is signed, they have a couple of dance partners lined up. There has been talk that there may be a very limited window of opportunity after the CBA is signed to get trades done. Better to have all of your moves planned out as much as possible before hand.
Rabid and luvin' it
by lonewolfz28 on Jan 12, 2011 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
You could be right, there.
"We'll see." --Bill Parcells
by Uncle Angus on Jan 12, 2011 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
id also say trade choice as well, if you could get a 3rd for him.
going off of memory i think choice’s contract is up after 2011, i can deffinetely see him going after a starters job and not returning to Dallas. id say trade him as well and find a kid in the draft to replace him.
Id like to see Dallas do more trading of player that wont be/cant be resigned. even if all you can get is low round draft picks.
Yep, i'm surprised I haven't heard more of this............
There is a lot of love on this sight for Choice. And rightfully so. But when we look really hard at it, is he anything more than a solid rb? When given the chance he has proven to be very solid but nothing spectacular. I love his heart and passion for the game but like yehti said if you can get a 3rd or higher for him then you should take that shot.
If the Cowboys draft brass has proven nothing else they have proven that they can find talented RB’s in the later round of the draft. Barber and Choice were 4th rounders.
The one thing that worries me is that if we are going to get rid of Barber this off season then im not sure you would want to let Choice go as well. Felix isn’t the most durable guy in the world and I’m not sure I would want rookies behind him. We saw what having a rookie (Gronk) in the backfield can do to your pass protection.
We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''
What else makes a strong leader?
"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.
"That's' what we're going to do.''
by TARHEEL PAUL on Jan 12, 2011 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Agree DAL has proven it can pick solid RB's in middle Rounds
The mistake is we then try to make them featured backs. And pay them accordingly. Agree, it would be a mistake to over-value Choice, who is good at many things, great at few. And if we part ways w MBIII, do we really want to add a new item to our already full shopping list?
We live life forwards and understand it backwards
Yep, yep, yep, yep, NOPE
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
I tend to disagree with the nope
We can and have found good, serviceable RB’s in lower rounds and UFDA’s. Miller seems to be one and we’ve got him.
And I don’t want to put the heat on Gronk. I realize that his mistake caused Romo’s injury, but it was one play and he’s never done it again. Expensive lesson, but he’s appeared to learn from it.
When in doubt, empty your magazine
Entirely your prerogative...
to be wr-wro…, you know, again. ;)
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Would have been nice to get that 1st rounder for him
Who knew he wouldn’t develop past his rookie season. Even if he had Jason Witten’s work ethic, he wouldn’t be Antonio Gates, but he’d be better than Witten. Unbelievable athlete.
Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.
That's spelled...
H-u-m-o-r-o-u-s, not h-u-m-u-n-g-u-s.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
I infer from this that you believe Gates is a better TE than Witten
Are you nutz? No offense, I just don’t see the parallel. Gates is a big WR, not a true, well rounded TE in all aspects of the game. Witten is.
When in doubt, empty your magazine
Phillips is the future
unless Marty B finally develops into the player we drafted on draft day this year
John Phillips is a talent that got better, he actually developed in his 2nd season until he got hurt
Martellus has never developed
a great blocker I know, but a crappy pass threat for such a “great” athlete
by Archie Barberio on Jan 12, 2011 10:43 AM CST reply actions
if I could receieve a 3rd round pick, then I would ship Martellus off
I would much rather use that 3rd round pick on a S or OL or BPA, and roll with John Phillips
if I was offered anything lower than a 3rd I would not trade Martellus
by Archie Barberio on Jan 12, 2011 10:45 AM CST reply actions
Dumb comment by Marty B
Teams can’t even release players now, how can they trade them? Anyone speculating DAL could get anything higher than a #4 for Marty B needs drug testing. Same w suggesting Phillips can supplant him or is on a developmental path remotely similar to Wit’s. Phillips is the best among the TE’s as a lead blocker, honestly believe Cricket would have ever made it onto the final roster if he stayed healthy. Look for Phillips to return to that role next year, as welll as a heavy dose of the 3TE Heavy formation. Gronk will go PS.
We have enough trouble filling the gaping holes we have at OL, S, DE and ILB. Creating more through fantasy trades doesn’t solve any problems, unless someone wants to make us a stupid offer. Unfortunately, Mike Lynn is no longer in the NFL.
We live life forwards and understand it backwards
Across the board, yep
4th round? Thanks, but no. Not right now.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
yes, trade Bennett for a 2nd or 3rd to some desparate team
in need of a TE. As mentioned above, Phillips is basically a poor man’s Witten so if #82 would ever go down, he would be a really good backup to have.
Never like Bennett’s attitude or disposition anyway, that certainly wouldn’t be missed at all.
In Romo we Trust
It's the DNA again, ain't it? ;)
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
RE: Bennett has never become the pass-catching phenom we ALL thought he would
Oh man, I’d love to come here and boast that I never bought into Marty B (although like everyone else we draft I’ve always routed like hell for him), but then I’d also have to admit that I thought Jermichael Finley would have the same type of nondescript NFL career, while Kellen Davis and Martin Rucker had bright futures. What a strange draft that was for TEs.
My opinion
I don’t think any team would offer the Cowboys enough compensation to merit trading Marty B away. Therefore, I fully expect us to keep him around.
If Santonio Holmes is worth a 5th and Crayton is worth a 7th, what is Marty B worth? Nothing. Even if he was worth a 5th, I wouldn’t do that deal. All you’re going to probably do with that 5th is draft another Marty B, because this team seems to enjoy utilizing 3 TEs a lot.
Those are different situations, but your point is still valid
Crayton was on the verge of being cut, and Santonio had just gotten in trouble with pot for like the third time or something, I believe
You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more
I remember rumors a few years ago that Cincy was gonna give a #1 for Bennet....
And Jerry apparently didn’t want to pull the trigger. Hindsight is always 20/20 but in this case, that was a bad move if true. Yes he should be traded but who would want him? There’s a few years of tape on him now if other teams saw what I’ve seen then they’ve seen a classic underachiever. Maybe he needs new place and a fresh start to help his career. Worked for Nick Folk.
Agree. It seems Belicheat would trade anybody not named Brady for a #1
So why couldn’t we sort of follow those lines? We all know we need more picks than we have at present
When in doubt, empty your magazine
One of many lost opportunities.
Jerry has had chances to deal players to acquire draft assets and blown all of them. Most times it was players they weren’t even going to play like Bennet or Tashard Choice. Remember the rumored deal of Choice for Cromartie just this past training camp? Cromartie has off field issues but that deal looks WAY better now, and it looked great then.
Too bad we don’t have a real personnel guy making moves. We might get more moves like this:
by PrimeTime-21 on Jan 12, 2011 4:24 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, right...
Like that’s EVER going to happen again. Ok, scoot, back to reality,…
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
The Walker trade...
Different time, different world. Regardless of “personnel guy”. Ok, scoot, back to reality… (meaning it’s unrealistic to even suggest such a thing happening)
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
like I said....huh?
Its unrealistic to you because you obviously think like Jerry. The Walker Trade boils down to this: Jimmy Johnson was willing to the best player on a bad football team to gain trade assets. He saw the writing on the wall and fleeced another GM. Just like how Jerry got fleeced by Seattle and later on, the Lions. And Joey Galloway and Roy Williams were no Herschel Walker level players. The point is not that we could ever get a trade haul like that again. Its whether Jerry is willing to deal one of our best to gain assets. Like how Belicheat gave up Richard Seymour for a #1. And the Patriots were a playoff team the year they traded him to the Raiders.
by PrimeTime-21 on Jan 12, 2011 6:07 PM CST up reply actions
It boils down to this...
you aren’t dealing with reality.
Do all your fan-tasy trading/FA/drafting, rumors and the rest and you still aren’t going to change reality, sunshine. Reality is you don’t have the clout and someone else does. Deal with it.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
Actually.....
Not sure what about those examples I gave struck you as fantasy trading, but its obvious you’re taking this, and yourself, a little too seriously.
by PrimeTime-21 on Jan 12, 2011 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously?! This?! It's online banter, not life-changing stuff LOL
Reality check time, guy.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
A not-so different time....
If you want a more current example of a Minnesota-level fleecing, how about when Ditka traded his entire 1999 draft just to be able to draft Ricky Williams. Those kinds of deals are there if you’re willing to look for them.
by PrimeTime-21 on Jan 12, 2011 6:12 PM CST up reply actions
Knock-knock, it's 2011, McFly
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
LOL, a trade like that would be awesome
But the reality is that many teams are leery of dealing with us for fear of being screwed. Too bad.
I forgot about the Cromartie rumor. Yeah, I’ll bet that would look real good to Jerry – now. What a dumbass we have for a GM!!
When in doubt, empty your magazine
Tut-tut now...
Let’s be open to people changing for the better. Defense exhibit A: Press conference, Jan 6, 2011, Cowboys Stadium.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
I'm optimistic, but in this, I'm definitely in the "Trust, but Verify"
I’ll have to wait until I see who we hire as coaches. And then, the draft. Those will go a long way to convince me Jerry’s really seen the light.
When in doubt, empty your magazine
That's what "open to" is, MM
Didn’t say blindly trusting, neither of us nor many others do, we’re in wait-and-see mode.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
The guy has talent
He’s worth something to somebody. Can you tell me a TE coming into the draft not from Notre Dame that is better than he is right now? I’m not buying into the Phillips hype and Marty has something different that Witten and Phillips. He’s athletic as all get out and can be a weapon down the seam, but we used him mostly underneath and blocking. With Miles, Dez, Witten, Roy occasionally, chances are he won’t get as many balls thrown his way. If he gets the chance to be the #1 guy somewhere, he’ll produce. He has the talent and the potential to be a big-time player, just not the opportunity.
by blackgallagher on Jan 12, 2011 11:19 AM CST reply actions
I definitely agree, he was making some nice moves out there with his athleticism.
It sucks though that he’s stuck behind a semi-terrible offensive line and a hall of fame bound tight end.
However, don’t say that he won’t get the opportunity. I guarantee you if he puts in the work and shows that he can be a trusted weapon for the offense Jason Garrett will unleash the two tight end set once our offensive line gets shored up.
Unless we get a 1, 2 or 3, ...
we gotta keep him. Anyone see what NE has done with the 2 TE set this year? That was the plan all along when the Tuna started drafting TE’s in Dallas years ago. Plus, with the state of our O-Line we need to keep good in-line blockers. Also, Phillips has looked good IN PRE SEASON GAMES. That means nothing in reality. We really need all three.
you seen Tuna in Big D recently?
It’s Garrett’s ball game now. He has used the 2 TE set a lot, but he’s not as committed to it as Tuna was. I think with the emergence of Dez and the return of Phillips (and/or the drafting of a true blocking FB) we’ll see the standard 2 TE set fade a bit. That doesn’t mean Marty B is no longer useful, but he doesn’t play out of the backfield nearly as well as Phillips so that limits things a bit.
Phillips has done much more than you’re giving him credit for. He played very well in his rookie year (in practice and in real games), definitely stealing minutes from Marty B. The preseason was further confirmation of his progress, but it was far from the only thing he has to hang his hat on. I’m not optimistic enough to call him a Witten-starter-kit, but he’s definitely shown enough to merit the conversation about him as the #2 guy.
But in the end, I agree that we need all three, unless you get a crazy 2nd round offer.
by greatwhitenorth on Jan 12, 2011 11:37 AM CST reply actions
why wouldnt you trade choice and bennett?
if i could get 3rds for both of them id do it in a second. i could use later round picks to replace them and use the 3rds for needs. anyone here wouldnt trade choice or bennett for a decent safety or o-lineman ?
Question about trades:
If trades are verboten until we get a new CBA, are trades in the Draft legal? Or will teams be only able to trade picks and not players? Or can you get around the prohibition by including picks with a player?
This could get really dumb.
from what I have
read, current and future picks are the only thing that can be traded with out a CBA in place.
Greg Jones got the Goose's FB of the year
and he was a 2nd round RB converted to FB, like Moose
I think this year Dallas spends a high pick on a FB too, maybe on that Stanford kid in the 4th, as a true FB, or on a physically gifted 2nd round RB they convert.
by AustonianAggie on Jan 12, 2011 12:42 PM CST reply actions
Wow, with all the...
1st and 2nd round picks we’ve got I’m surprised NE even gets one. And that takes some doing.
Pride, Avarice, Lust, Envy, Gluttony, Wrath, Sloth.
5 outta 7 ain't bad. Working on the other 2.
why waste a pick let alone a 2nd on something thats not a need.
No matter how good the FB is it wont help anything if
A. the oline cant block
B. the dl cant get a pass rush
C. the secondary cant stop riley cooper
I agree more with the idea of the 4th rounder, than the 2nd
"....the Cowboy way...." (Head Coach, Jason Garrett)
I think you overcomplicated the list. May I suggest?
A. the oline cant block
B. the oline cant block
C. the oline cant block
When in doubt, empty your magazine
Bennett nothing special
NFL is loaded with talented young TE`s that have all shown much more promise than Martellus…maybe it`s the team not using him to his ability and maybe his time is coming but he`s way behind the pack and in danger of being lapped.
Fifth Rounder or above
Trade Bennett for a 5th round pick or better. If not available, keep him. Don’t trade Choice unless you can get a 3rd round pick or above. It is all about needs and value.
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