Back To Basics:The Prince Amukamara Edition BOOMSHOCKALOCKA!

Prince Amukamara CB Nebraska
Picking 9th overall in a draft has it's perks. The ability to get a bonafied lockdown corner is a perk that is a benefit of having a 6-10 record. Alot of mocks, even the big gurus like Mel Kiper have Prince Amukamara going to the Cowboys in their latest mock drafts. Me personally I don't see how Prince can fall that far, but you never know. A need for a QB or pass rusher, maybe a slow 40 time will push him down the board. Here we are going to take a little dive into selection Prince and why it would beneficial to the team.
What I am praying to hear on that draft night in April is "With the 9th pick in the 2011 NFL Draft, The Dallas Cowboys select..............................Prince Amukamara Cornerback Nebraska. I am starting to feel that maybe he will fall to us 9th overall for a variety of reasons. Some of the teams picking before us have QB needs, and Blaine Gabbert will wow teams with his arm and accuracy, plus his size. Of course a team will love Cam Newton for the same thing, but Newton also holds a National Championship, and Heisman Trophy on his resume.
Prince isn't the blazing fast corner, like a Deion. He is more like a Nnamdi Ashomugha or Darrelle Revis, yes a Revis. What people don't realize is Revis doesn't possess blazing speed, but has amazing coverage skills just like Prince holds. I am not saing Darrelle Revis is slow, not by any means. He is very quick but his overall speed isn't what makes him a great player, its his cover skills. Prince will run a 40 time around lets say a 4.45, which isn't slow, but that might make teams pass on him.
In reading ESPN Scouts Inc report of Prince I find alot to my liking. I start with how they say he has nice size, at 6'0 203 and nice top end speed. No issues off the field, is a great leader and student, which we should continue to look for leaders in the draft. There are no injury or durability concerns for Prince has never missed a college game. Prince is also reported to have confidence in his skill set, or swagger as us fans like to call it. Physical in press coverage, but also has the quick reaction time to make plays in zone coverage. Has great recognition and in anticipation, he basically runs the route step for step with the opposing WR.
Then they go on to detail his coverage skills, which are top notch. Is great alone on a island and has the fluid hips one looks for in great secondary players. The only concern they harp on is his back pedal, which can get a little high but for a guy his size, thats pretty usual and not something I would worry about. Maintains great balance and closes in fast when a WR gets seperation, meaning he has the recovery speed to make up for mistakes, if he indeed makes a mistake. Has great ability to not get beat by double moves, to me that means he is patient on top of being quick and reactive, a common ground that sometimes is hard to find in a corner.
His ball skills are top notch, recording 5 picks last year. He had 0 this year but to be honest he was rarely tested. Is a playmaker attacking the ball and will come up with the pick. Has great natural hands meaning if he gets his hand anywhere near that ball, he is picking it off, and that's something Deion was incredible at. Has great awareness of where he is throughout the play, maintaining his balance along the sideline to come down with 2 feet. After the ball is in his hands he looks to score and make the big play, something we also lack here now from our corners.
Is willing to tackle and is physical in the run game, but it might be his weakest area, which isn't really all that weak. What I like about his scouting report is that he makes the sound tackle, instead of going for the big hit. See that's fine with me as long as your making sound tackles, which Prince does. Instead of looking sloppy and going after a big hit, he will wrap up the ball carrier.
Scouts Inc has Prince as their #5 player on their board, with a high grade of 96. For comparison sakes Patrick Peterson got a 97. But the difference between the two is their cover skills. Prince is a great athlete, but Peterson is better in that aspect. The difference between the two is Prince's coverage skills and I will take cover skills any day.
Now I looked up some of the opposing WR's Prince faced this season, and he locked down every WR he played but one. Justin Blackmon had a huge game vs Nebraska with 5 rec 157 yards 2 TD's. Other than that Prince did a great job versus the competition he faced. Guys there really aren't many flaws to this kids game, so if you want to point out and highlight Justin Blackmon, the best WR in college football last year, than so be it. Every corner gets beat, every corner does. See its how often they get beat, which with Prince its not very often. This kid is the complete package, lockdown corners are a premium in the draft, they always will be and will continue to be coveted because of how the NFL is transforming it a pass league.
As we look at the current roster, we have some nice young talent. Mike Jenkins is a Pro Bowl corner who lost his swagger and confidence and at times looked like he didn't care to be on the field. Regardless of this year, we saw what Jenkins can do when he is on top of his game. I expect a bounce back season for Jenkins, he just has too much talent to not succeed.
Orlando Scandrick is quickly becoming one of our best corners................again. Scandrick played lights out his rookie year and really showed why the Cowboys find a gem later in the 2008 NFL Draft. Scandrick excelled in the slot with press man to man coverage. Then last year, like Jenkins had this year, he had the dreaded sophmore slump. It started last year in my honest opinion, and it carried over with him to the 2011 season. But Scandrick after looking like the next Jacques Reeves, transformed himself much like Optimus Prime does in Transformers 2. After getting his ass handed to him the whole movie, Optimus Prime gets his swag back at the end of the movie and goes beast status, the same for Scandrick. With re-found swagger under a more zone coverage scheme, Scandrick got his groove back. He picked off Peyton Manning and took it to the house. Scandrick also excelled in man coverage again getting his groove back on press coverage, but looked the part in covering zone. Scandrick is physical, you gotta love when the little guy is more like a pitbull with rabies, than a Yorkie. Also Orlando has amazing speed, watch him run down Desean Jackson which was amazing to see. Scandrick has the speed and skills to succeed in the NFL, especially for us. Scandrick can also blitz, he is a great pass rusher on corner blitzes. Expect big things from Orlando Scandrick in 2011.
Brian McCann was a player as soon as we signed as a undrafted free agent I payed attention to. I remember sometime back in May or June, begging on dallascowboys.com for Wade to keep McCann over Cletis Gordon or any other bubble player. Not to brag but I am a pretty good scout of players, especially recently. I predicted success for Jenkins and Spencer the year before, and I said Doug Free would be a good LT. But where i really think I swung for the fences was a UDFA CB from SMU. After reading up on him and discovering his blazing speed, which was clocked around the 4.35 time at his SMU pro day, I really paid attention. Then I did some youtube research on McCann and found some amazing returns. McCann in my opinion single handed won two football games this year. One play doesn't win games correct, but big plays do. A interception of yet another Manning, this time Eli, in the endzone and took it to the house. Then had a huge return for a TD against the Lions. Some players just have "IT", as I like to say, and McCann has "IT". McCann has a bright future for us, because along with his return ability he has good cover skills, with blazing speed.
Terence Newman started the season great, playing great football. But at some point he got injured along the way and had nagging injuries, multiple injuries that he played with throughout the season. Now I love Newman, he has been a great football player and leader for us for many years now. It is insane to think he has only been to 2 Pro Bowls, but that's the nature of the beast. Newman had 2 great picks, one versus the Giants, and another to seal a win versus the Redskins. Sometime this season he lost his speed, and when football players that rely on speed lose their speed, its not a pretty picture. I saw countless WR's not just beat Newman, but flat out smoked him, they outran our speedy CB. The worst for me was the game versus the Saints, where Robert Meachem just flat out ran by Newman for the game winning play that setup a game winning TD. Newman also got smoked by a little WR/RB on the Eagles, his name is Hall. At that point I realized either Newman is more hurt than we know, or is losing a step. Either way I don't want to find out too late, like come September and we are stuck with a aging CB. This is why drafting a CB makes alot of sense, be prepared for Newman because the time is coming folks, it could be 6 months it could be a year or it could be next month, we won't know until we see Newman again come OTA's. I pray we get one more year out of Newman, but this is why I want a CB fairly high on the priority list this offseason.
So we have some nice talent at the CB position, but what we lack is a true lockdown corner. Now Mike Jenkins was in my opinion a lockdown corner in 2009. He simply ran the route step for step with a WR that year. Jenkins as we all know had a pitiful 2009 season. Just when you thought he was gonna come around, he made a pass interference penalty or a holding penalty. Jenkins became a target, not being avoided like he used to be. Jenkins I think is going to be ok, I have seen some great football from him and has great skills as an athlete. The concern should be Terrence Newman, who at age 32 is a major concern. Even in a down season Newman managed 5 INT's while Jenkins had 1 and Scandrick had 1. Adding Prince Amukamara gives you a pretty serious set of cornerbacks.
With Prince you could start him on the outside if Newman is deteriorated beyond the point of salvaging. Or you could play him inside on the slot, or mix him in the defense on passing downs, but what it gives you is leverage. Then you still got Jenkins and Scandrick playing outside or Scandrick in the slot. Also you got a young and up and coming player in Bryan McCann. In a division where you have to play DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin, Hakeem Nicks, Steve Smith, Mario Manningham, Santana Moss, Anthony Armstrong, I would say having as many corners as you can have is vital to succeeding in the NFC East.
Why the Cowboys only came into September last year with just Newman, Jenkins, Scandrick as their corners I will never understand carrying 3 CB's on your roster. Yes Akwasi Owusu Ansah plays some corner, and I am a HUGE Akwasi fan, but you should carry more than 3 corners.
This division is stocked with WR's. We have to play all of those WR's 2 times a year and that is a major reason why we should get a top notch corner for our defense. I want Steve Smith, Hakeem Nicks, Mario Manningham locked down. I want DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin locked down. I want Santana Moss and Anthony Armstrong locked down. This division is becoming pass heavy, and we should be prepared.
If Prince Amukamara actually falls to us with the 9th pick, it will be a easy choice for the war room. We always value corners high on our draft board. For example if Dez Bryant didn't fall to us last year, I am pretty sure Devin McCourtey, a player we liked and invited into Valley Ranch last April for our rookie evaluations, would of been our draft pick. Every year the Cowboys look for a corner to drop to them, it is something you always hear around draft time. Every media outlet reports the Cowboys are looking for a corner to drop to them, and rightfully so. Prince Amukamara is one of the few blue chip prospects in this draft, it would be a epic gift if he falls to 9 because some team isn't impressed with a 4.5 or a 4.45 40 time. Please I beg you to pass on Prince, because lockdown corners are rare, they simply don't exist anymore.
Prince would be a major step to getting back to basics, coverage in the secondary is a fundamental all good defenses have. A lockdown corner with the athletic skills he possesses would be one of the best fits for the Cowboys this draft. It is hard to get too infatuated with a player in January because the draft boards change all the time up to April, it all depends on ones feel for that player and their combine showing. But from what I have seen from in Prince is that he is a special talent. For a funny tidbit imagine Joe Buck or some other announcer having to say "Akwasi Owusu Ansah.........Prince Amukamara", it would drive them nuts. If we get Prince I am ordering his jersey as soon as I found out what number he is wearing, hopefully its #24.
Couldn't really find much from this season but here is Prince from last year versus Texas where he had a great game. I pray we get this Prince, because he could become the Prince Of The Star. There is a reason I call him Prince Boomshockalocka, he is just BOOM!.
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Haha
Nice article but you have way too much free time on your hands.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
lol what ya mean?
well yeah I got too much time now, I lost my job
by Archie Barberio on Jan 19, 2011 7:50 PM CST up reply actions
Damn, Chia, sorry to hear that.
Hope things turn around for you soon.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
all good
good looks I’ll be good, I got some money stacked up and now unemployment, which is peanuts
by Archie Barberio on Jan 19, 2011 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
Still, having gone through the same 'bout three years ago, I feel for you.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
sucks right
I lost my job for not meeting sales goals
believe that shit
was a great worker too
by Archie Barberio on Jan 19, 2011 7:54 PM CST up reply actions
If you put half the effort into it you do into your posts, I believe it.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
lol yeah I did
I was a bank teller and I made good money im 26 so I liked it
but as a teller they want you to sell shit, its ridiculous
by Archie Barberio on Jan 19, 2011 7:57 PM CST up reply actions
Good work Chia
I like it. If Prince is there, take him. It’s a no-brainer. You can never have enough corners in this league, ever. If you have a chance to get a shut down corner, you have to make that pick. The teams we face twice a year in the division have a lot of talent at receiver, so we need more help at CB. For people who say we should address our pass rush first; the pass rush improves with better coverage, and the secondary play improves with a good pass rush. Having a lock down corner helps you get more creative with your blitzes creating more pass rush.
pretty good article
I think that you have done a very nice job on this article. But, I do believe that you are hyping Prince up just a little. I do think that if he falls to #9 we should draft him, but to compare him to Darrelle Revis is absurd. He is no where near the talent that Revis is. You said he locked down every WR but one. Well that one WR that burnt him is the only NFL caliber WR in the whole conference, and if Blackmon came out he would be at best the third WR taking in the draft. Because the two best WR’s that are coming out are A.J. Green and Julio Jones. Both of which Patrick Peterson has faced every year he’s been in collage.
Blackmon was the best WR in college
Petersons cover skills arent as good as Prince’s thats just a fact
by Archie Barberio on Jan 19, 2011 7:51 PM CST up reply actions
Check out the interview with Wes Bunting that Raf did yesterday.
He says Prince is the 4th best CB this year, not the 2nd best. And that he isn’t a blue chipper.
“CN: Do you have a rough list of the top 3-4 corners, by name?
WB: I think it’s Peterson, obviously. He’s number one. I would say either Brandon Harris or Jimmy Smith from Colorado would be 2-3, and then I would say Amukamara would be four."
http://www.cowboysnation.com/2011/01/wes-bunting-recaps-east-west-shrine.html
Hmmmm ,Wes is good on the draft prospects.
Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Jan 22, 2011 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
But Chia could not be wrong. just messing Chia,
I personally think Prince is the 3rd best CB behind PP and Smith. Harris is to raw to be above PA.
Wes is the man, I just think he is wrong on Prince
by Archie Barberio on Jan 22, 2011 2:51 PM CST up reply actions
so Chia,you agree when he agree's with your'e assessments?.
Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Jan 22, 2011 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
lol what?
not everyone is perfect and knows all
I agree with Wes Bunting on alot of players, but this is the one player I dont agree with
for instance I dont use Kiper as a basis, but I do use McShay because McShay runs a actual scouting service in Scouts Inc, which imo is the premier service out there
their grades have been pin point accurate for years
lol a subtle shot? come on bro! I thought we were tight homie!
by Archie Barberio on Jan 22, 2011 6:52 PM CST up reply actions
I agree and disagree
Scouts Inc have been pretty accurate, but not pin-point. Mel Kiper and Scouts Inc have been very similar in their accuracy for Big Boards.
Draft Ace have also been very accurate in their Big Boards.
However, Mel Kiper’s Mock has been consistently accurate as oppose to McShay’s waveform.
Now if we want to talk about the best-of-best, Rick Gosselin has been the most consistent, pin-point accurate, Mock Drafter along with his Big Board.
first round
Scouts Inc is pretty spot on
Mike Mayock is good too
but Wes Bunting is rising, I really like him
by Archie Barberio on Jan 22, 2011 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
This year, yes
Scouts Inc were spot on.. but not every year… which is my point.. waveform.
Kiper can bite my arse
Never really liked the guy… And I remember when he called Bobby Carpenter the “safest linebacker pick in this draft.” How did that turn out for us? Lost all respect for Kiper after that analysis… Mcshay seems to be way better in judging college talent.
In '08,"I want Dez! I want Dez!" In '10,"WE DRAFTD DEZ!!! WE DRAFTED DEZ!!! HOLY S#!* WE GOT DEZ!"
yeah
McShay knows his McShit
he really does
I like Kiper because he was right about alot of players and doesnt bash us and always supports our picks, except 2009 when you couldnt back those garbage
but I soured on Kiper when I found out he was hyping players for agents and most likely getting paid to do so
I remember back when Marcus Spears got drafted he hyped him up because he was friends with that agent
he hyped up Terrell Suggs too, who happened to be same agent I guess
see he does hype up good players but he hyped alot of bad players too so I suspect Kiper was taking money from agents to do so
I read it in a SI article about the agent who whistleblew the whole paying of players, he happened to represent Marcus Spears for a little while
I thought Kiper was right about Spencer “Talented to be the best defensive player in this draft and a NFL Defensive Rookie Of The Year”
because Spencer looked the part coming out of school, I just have to think he would be a much better 4-3 end, like he was in college
by Archie Barberio on Jan 23, 2011 5:57 PM CST up reply actions
not a shot Chia,
just an observation.
it’s ok to disagree with someone,shows objectivity but don’t quote the same guy when he supports your’e argument.
then diss him when he does’nt.
:)
Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Jan 22, 2011 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
Wes Bunting wont even answer my emails
lol
by Archie Barberio on Jan 22, 2011 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
lol
Davie Wilson
"how bout them cowboys"!!!
by scotscowboyfan on Jan 23, 2011 6:20 AM CST up reply actions
Wes is WRONG
Prince is going to be a stud. Not only is Wes wrong but i think he knows hes wrong. There is always the scouters every year that pick one guy who is considered first round talent and try to say he’s not nearly that good. They do this so when they happen to be right they can point to it as expert analysis and hype their own name. Prince is an easy target for scouts to downplay because of the one big game he gave up. Everything else points to him being a top talent, maybe not shut down talent, but ball hawking talent at the very least. Got your back Chia
In '08,"I want Dez! I want Dez!" In '10,"WE DRAFTD DEZ!!! WE DRAFTED DEZ!!! HOLY S#!* WE GOT DEZ!"
He's wrong and he knows he's wrong?
Or maybe he just has a difference in opinion…that does happen.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
Yes it does.
But I don’t think that is the case with Wes. He’s taking a gamble and hoping it pans out, if hes wrong, which i believe he is, it won’t matter and no one will call him on it. If hes right he’s a genius. Scouts do this all the time. No risk high reward.
In '08,"I want Dez! I want Dez!" In '10,"WE DRAFTD DEZ!!! WE DRAFTED DEZ!!! HOLY S#!* WE GOT DEZ!"
I think
Wes could be taking a stance like that, because he might be trying to make a name for himself
but same thing with Tyron Smith, he took a chance on him BEFORE anybody did, including Scouts Inc who now has Smith as their highest rated OL
either way I like Wes I just think he is wrong saying Prince is the 3rd or 4th best corner in the draft
thats absurd imo
by Archie Barberio on Jan 23, 2011 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
Do you have anything to base your position off of?
Formerly Cowboyfan729
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
If you're asking me Creasy
what are you referring to? My opinion on Wes taking the gamble on a considered top CB or scouts picking a a top end draftee and dubbing them over rated?
In '08,"I want Dez! I want Dez!" In '10,"WE DRAFTD DEZ!!! WE DRAFTED DEZ!!! HOLY S#!* WE GOT DEZ!"
Well really both.
In other words, what specifically gives you reason to think that Wes downgrading Amukamara is anything other than his real opinion?
I am asking because honestly if you really want to get into intentions and biases than I would guess yours are two-fold with your comments:
1) You really like Prince Amukamara
2) You don’t believe that any scout could feel differently so you are speculating that Wes is just trying to make a name for himself by putting out an opinion that isn’t representative of Prince’s play.
I am all for having an opinion, but why can’t you just disagree with Wes rather than speculating that he is putting out an intentionally disagreeable opinion that doesn’t mesh with his actual grade on Prince?
Formerly Cowboyfan729
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
just a hunch
idk im not like mad Wes feels that way, not at all
he is the only scout I have seen rated Jimmy Smith and Brandon Harris over Prince
just odd I thought
by Archie Barberio on Jan 24, 2011 12:26 PM CST up reply actions
Heres my reasoning then
First off, obviously I do disagree with Wes and what you are saying is my speculation is my own opinion and stance. So in saying why can’t I just have my own opinion, well I’m sharing two. One being I like Prince as the #2 Corner and the other being Wes is downplaying Prince for hype. I like Wes, and usually like his gradings on players, but his grading on Prince doesn’t fit or add up to his other gradings. He puts Prince fourth behind Harris and Smith with what reasoning? The reasoning I’ve dug up is that he believes Prince is raw and because he got lit up in one game by Blackmon (I believe thats the kids name? Correct me if I’m wrong). In other articles I’ve read with Wes he also states Peterson, his number one ranked CB, to be of the same raw talent Prince is while Prince has better coverage skills. That drew my first red flag. Another thing I didn’t understand was his sudden change in stance on Prince. Wes had widely considered him the #2 corner as mostly everyone does, then suddenly backed off of it. Yes this can happen, but usually after combines and NFL workouts. Why suddenly when the season is over and Prince isn’t playing football does Wes change his stance? Second red flag. Another article on Wes discusses something similar as on this comment board, how Prince didn’t face the same talented receivers therefore hes not as good as Harris or Smith. So Smith out of Colorado faced that much better talent? It can be argued Harris out of Miami faced some better talent but did he really do that much better than Prince? When during the season and at its conclusion Wes had Prince better than both those guys? None of that added up to me. Maybe Wes went back and seriously studied game tape and that brings all this up, theres no way to know for sure. But we all know scouts will devalue a guy who is widely hyped and considered a top prospect cause in the event the player isn’t as good the scout can say he knew it. So yes, knowing that, and having seen People like Kiper and even Mcshay do the same thing, along with Wes’ seemingly flip-flop on Prince, I believe he is hoping Prince is bad just to make himself appear as a better scout. It isn’t out of the ordinary for someone to do that, It’s his job. He wants to succeed and grow in his business, so for me the pieces all fall in place. Prince is an easy target in this years draft for scouts to take this stance, Wes isn’t the first and probably won’t be the last. Hope that answers it :)
In '08,"I want Dez! I want Dez!" In '10,"WE DRAFTD DEZ!!! WE DRAFTED DEZ!!! HOLY S#!* WE GOT DEZ!"
idk it was kinda odd
he had Prince #2 the whole time, then what did Smith and Harris do to jump over him?
its odd
by Archie Barberio on Jan 24, 2011 4:53 PM CST up reply actions
Perhaps film study showed Wes something he didn't see?
Why is it so hard to believe a guy’s opinion could change slightly as to the order of prospects?
I mean I can say personally that throughout the draft process I myself change my opinion on certain guys a lot. Maybe I see a different video, maybe I read a different report, maybe I get unnerved by a scout’s opinion that points out something I didn’t notice. Whatever it is though, I try to keep an open mind on guys I don’t like since I know I am no expert.
Formerly Cowboyfan729
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
Actually I think the answer is pretty simple.
Wes himself told Raf that he was doing grades pretty late in the year and that obviously his opinions in the beginning and mid-way through the season were subject to change. And as for Wes initially talking up Prince, the only page I could find with that was written on Sept. 22, before the season had really even picked up and well before Wes would have graded him out. As such, I still don’t understand the speculation about Wes’s intentions when it is entirely plausible that he could like Harris as much as Amukamara.
And yes, you are allowed to have an opinion. However, there is a clear difference between an opinion based off something and an opinion based off nothing. An opinion off a player can be based off watching highlights, watching his games, reading reports, etc. However, questioning a scout’s intentions behind the grade he gives a player is extremely speculative and circumstantial to say the least.
So yes, if you believe Wes is wrong then that is fine by me. When you start questioning his intentions though based off largely nothing in my mind then that is when you can expect to get questioned about what you are basing your opinion off of.
Follow-up questions: Why is Prince such an easy target for Wes in your mind? What makes him easier to pick on than anyone else? And if there is something to pick on with him, couldn’t that in fact be a red flag of sorts that Wes could legitimately be basing his opinion off of?
Formerly Cowboyfan729
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
and thats where we disagree
I believe all the things that I pointed out are reason to question why Prince suddenly slipped to the number 4 CB in his mind. As for your first question, I considered addressing it in my comment earlier but I knew it was getting lengthy lol Also, somewhere on this post I answered that question I believe its above these comments. In any matter, its a combination of the conference Prince played in, the schools top ranked D, and the pass rushers he had played with such as Suh. Its makes him an easy target with saying he was only decent because of his pass rush, he never faced great pro like WR’s, and the entire D was so solid it covered up Prince’s faults (not saying any of these are the case just the easy target questions). Mostly in my earlier comment though I highlighted how he got beat up by one WR last year, Blackmon. So some people raised questions at that. Which is fine, but my problem is Wes wasn’t one of those people. He still considered Prince the #2 corner. Until recently he had and I see no reason why he should had changed that stance. Sure he could had looked at game tape like you said, but all the reasoning together and just my opinion in general I don’t think that’s the case cause if it was, wouldn’t he want to divulge what he saw to show everyone the weakness’s in Prince’s game that no one else seemed to notice? It would be his job to do so, so why just suddenly change his stance with no reasoning behind it? Again, doesn’t add up. As for possible easy reasons to target Prince being red flags for Wes, they could be reasons for flagging, ya. But the people who flagged him did so when it happened, not months after the case. And those people are growing smaller and smaller. Obviously there will never be any way to say I’m right in my assessment unless Wes came out and said that’s exactly what he was doing, thus your dubbing speculative. But that doesn’t mean its not the case, as anything of this nature is basically taboo in sports and never really proven. But unless Wes comes out with reasons as too his tanking of two spots in the CB department (tanking could be a bit extreme since its 2 to 4 however thats major money and possible difference between first and second round), I don’t see why Prince would fall AT THIS TIME in his mind. That is also a key. No combine, no games, no workout, what has changed? I can’t say game tape changed his opinion. Not when there are two other years of him playing the game and no one has questioned his ability. Wes must had seen footage of the kid over the years, why just now notice something to drop him? Hope that answers it. Sorry if this comments a bit choppy, try to follow me if you can. Crappy laptop messing with me lol
In '08,"I want Dez! I want Dez!" In '10,"WE DRAFTD DEZ!!! WE DRAFTED DEZ!!! HOLY S#!* WE GOT DEZ!"
Well once again, I think you are attributing some malice to something that could really have a rather easy explanation.
Let’s take a look at when Wes told Raf that Prince is his #4 corner:
I was grading the Miami corner this week, Brandon Harris, and I have him rated higher than Prince. He’s a good player, but he’s a little raw. But so is Patrick Peterson. Harris isn’t the same caliber size-speed player as Peterson but he’s a nice player in his own right.
Nowhere in there does he say that Prince looked bad or even had his play drop off since the beginning of the season when he was pumping him up. All he says is that he had been grading Brandon Harris recently and that he happened to grade higher than Prince. Doesn’t that simply mean that maybe Wes didn’t see enough of Brandon Harris (and Jimmy Smith) during the season to downgrade Prince from #2 to #3 or #4? And doesn’t that simultaneously mean that maybe Wes doesn’t even think substantially less of Prince in an absolute sense but maybe just less of him in a relative sense? Maybe it’s just me, but rather than jumping on a media guy and ascribing malice to his intentions I will instead recognize that maybe, just maybe, this guy has a lot of integrity that a lot of media members lack and did his due diligence before determining his final opinion on something.
Formerly Cowboyfan729
If I had a nickel for every time the Eagles won the Super Bowl, I would have zero nickels
If Wes didn't/doesn't think less of Prince
who falls to his number 4 corner, then he’s saying there is basically four ball hawking shut down type corners in the draft this year. While possible, that doesn’t seem likely. So I stand by he’s downgrading Prince on something (which I’ve obviously stated is nothing at all) and whatever it is, it would have to be relatively substantial otherwise there is four top end corners in the draft this year, by what you say if that was Wes’ opinion.
In '08,"I want Dez! I want Dez!" In '10,"WE DRAFTD DEZ!!! WE DRAFTED DEZ!!! HOLY S#!* WE GOT DEZ!"
I dont think that is what Wes is doing at all
The guy was talking Prince up earlier in the season like everyone else. Unlike a lot of of draft sources, Bunting seems to approach things the right way. That is, he grades players individually based on their strengths and weaknesses, and then builds his board after everyone is graded. In this case, I think he liked Prince but ended up giving Harris and Smith higher grades after watching their tape (from Raf’s chat he appears to assign grades based on a 9.0 scale), thus pushing Prince down the board a bit. Is it a different opinion? Sure, but that doesn’t mean its wrong (or right for that matter). It also doesn’t mean that he thinks Prince is a bad player or that he will be a bust, just that we shouldn’t be surprised if he goes lower than expected.
I understand what your saying.
As I do with what Creasy is saying. Again, we’re all diving into a what is he thinking about perspective. There is no way to say who is right or wrong, only Wes can answer that. I have no problem with Wes’s grading, and I understand your logic. What I don’t understand is if you’re right, why not tell us what weaknesses or non strengths he sees that almost no one else does? That’s the question to me. If you and Creasy are right, then why not tell us what is wrong with Prince’s game? Either way, again its all his mindset, there’s no way to know what it really is. My opinion is just more of a negative one on his reason behind the lower grading so I see why questions are asked. But I have reasoning behind it, it’s just how someone interprets it.
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Well actually, I believe Wes's website is posting
his scouting reports for all these players in question pretty soon. As such, I think that is when you can have your answer as to why he was downgraded.
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Oh also
I wouldn’t be surprised if Prince suddenly fell in the draft because of an opinion like this. It happens all the time. Ravens WR Boldin is a prime example of someone trying to under value him when he had so much hype coming out of college, and those who did question him, made him fall out of the first round.
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Ok. State.
How can you watch him get burned repeatedly against OK State and conclude that he can be a top-tier CB in the NFL?
by JimmyJohnson on Jan 24, 2011 5:49 AM CST up reply actions
simple
He had a bad game…..Happens to all CB’s
Now if it had happened more than two or three times over his 4-year career……that would be cause for concern….but one game?
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by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 24, 2011 6:59 AM CST up reply actions
lol
people harp on that game
Blackmon owned him no denying that
but one game doesnt grade a player
by Archie Barberio on Jan 24, 2011 12:27 PM CST up reply actions
Good write up.
Mocks are mocks, but it is interesting how many show Prince falling to 9th. Sounds like that could be a great pick for the Star.
If at first you don't succeed - blame someone else.
Blackmon was the best WR in collage
You are right he was the best in collage this year, but he also faced inferior talant in the Big 12. Everyone knows the teams in the Big 12 don’t play defense.
That is such a load of crap.
This “inferior talent” thing is such bs.
The Big 12 isn’t known for it’s defenses like the SEC, but it’s not like it was the fng Sun Belt he was playing against.
What a completely ridiculous fng statement.
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yeah!
Prince is awesome, he didnt play against Southwest Jacksonville State Technical Eastern Southern Northern University
by Archie Barberio on Jan 19, 2011 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It's an argument that people who don't watch football say.
Its typical “SEC” fan. Not fan of a SEC team, but “I love everything the SEC is and all other forms of football don’t exist” fan.
They’ll shout to the top of their lungs when their teams win, but very clearly pass over getting beat by teams like Utah in BCS Bowls.
Randy Moss played at freaking Marshall!
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Yeah other than Okie State and Okie who did he face this year?
W. Kentucky 115th passing game.
Idaho 10th rated, but really Idaho.
Washington 84th rated
1AA South Dakota State
K state 92nd rated
Lost to 50th rated Texas. Did hold Texas to 62 yards passing, but gave up 200 rushing.
#2 OSU allowed 2 100 yard WRs.
Held # 30 Mizzou to 200 yards which was pretty solid.
Allowed #95 ISU to pass for 200 yards.
Kansas 103 ranked
aTm to 200 yards 20th ranked
Colorado 59th ranked
OU lit them up for 372 yards.
So they did well against a bunch of middle of the road passing teams and were schooled by the two top teams.
BTW
I like Peterson and I think he IS better, but he isn’t Superman like alot of LSU fans make him out to be.
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I agree he is no Dieon, but he is damn good.
I am a Bama fan bye the way so I have every reason to dislike the guy.
I agree
I’m just saying that he has faced inferior talent then what Peterson did. I would love for him to fall to #9. I’m just saying you can’t compare him to someone like Revis.
I think you can
Ive read NFL comparisons of Nnamdi
by Archie Barberio on Jan 19, 2011 8:00 PM CST up reply actions
something to think about
You say Blackmon was the best WR in collage, and I do agree, but you also have to take into consideration AJ Green. AJ Green was suspended for 4 games this year.
I was opposed to taking a CB with our first pick,
but after reading occ’s brilliant post on our CB’s ,i’ve changed my mind.
if this guy is at number 9 then take him……….
Newman is close to finished,he can’t hold guy’s at the line and when he plays off,he gets beat deep.at 9 million next year(i think) no way we can keep him.
Rec’d Chia……..
Davie Wilson
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good looks
yeah Newman is toast dude he was getting out ran
with Jenkins it was more of a attiude and motivation thing
Jenkins has premier skills, I expect them back, actually I would be shocked if he didnt come back to form
Prince I pray runs a shitty 40 time or something so a team passes on him
because he will fall to 9 and Rob Ryan or Garrett will push the pick
Mark Ingram is going to be Jerry’s shiny toy, that might be a problem but if we take Ingram I will be very happy if we fix the OL thru free agency and draft 2 more in the draft
by Archie Barberio on Jan 19, 2011 9:03 PM CST up reply actions
"The "A"-Team!!!!
now if we could add Nnamdi(which probably won’t happen…I can Dream though) Here is how I see our Secondary shaking out:
RCB-Jenkins/Prince
SS-Ansah/Prince
FS-Newman/Prince
LCB-Nnamdi/Prince
No I am not having Prince backup every position(though He could) I am just not sure who he would Replace…though if Dallas gets Prince I honestly dont see us getting Nnamdi, unless the CBA is signed before the draft,and we get him because of Ryan being our DC…though I hope that Nnamdi goes to one of the teams drafting ahead of us…thus one less team looking at drafting Prince
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by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 19, 2011 8:11 PM CST reply actions
Something people rarely address is
Nnamdi is a bay area kid. Plays for Oakland, grew up in the area, even went to college around there (can’t remember which school exactly). Its going to be hard to pry Nnamdi out of Oakland no matter how much money or who throws it at him. I personally don’t want him, but I don’t think we could get him anyway
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when I edit it and preview it the video is there, then when I publish the video vanishes
by Archie Barberio on Jan 19, 2011 8:55 PM CST reply actions
idk
I could see Prince here wearing #24 with his big goofy robot facemask
plus I get to say BOOMSHOCKALOCKA! every pick he gets
pretty much ive made up my mind, I want Prince, if not I want Von Miller or Mark Ingram if we cant trade down
Cam Jordan would be a great pick as well
if we take a OL I want Tyron Smith
by Archie Barberio on Jan 19, 2011 9:01 PM CST reply actions
If he is there, do you take Von Miller over Robert Quinn?
by topgrosscloser on Jan 19, 2011 9:08 PM CST up reply actions
you mean
if Von Miller or Robert Quinn?
wow thats tough
I really like Von Miller, but Robert Quinn can play DE too, but is best bet a standup pass rusher
both are great pass rushers
dude thats really tough
I guess Quinn because he is rated higher and Wes Bunting said he was the best pass rusher in football last year so I guess Quinn, but not by much because I am really high on Von Miller
by Archie Barberio on Jan 19, 2011 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
basically my thoughts as well. Will be interesting to see how this shakes out. I could really see them both being there at pick 9, and both gone at pick 9. We will see how it looks after the combine.
by topgrosscloser on Jan 19, 2011 10:49 PM CST up reply actions
hey
ive stood up for Von Miller and got BASHED
but I would love to see 2 great pass rushers together, have you ever seen that in a 3-4? it could be highly unstoppable
Quinn would be a beast too man, he is a freak
by Archie Barberio on Jan 19, 2011 10:51 PM CST up reply actions
Quinn over Miller!
Like Miller but Holy Molly take “Mighty Quinn”. Best Player in this draft…imho. It could happen because of him having to sit out. A force for our defense that would be sooo much fun to watch. Get him!
Another nice peice CC..they keep getting better. (Trade down draft next?)
Had doubts, (still do), that Prince will fall to us at 9 but IF he does..Boom Shack A Lacka looks to make sense. (If you can’t get Q)
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BOOMSHOCKALOCKA!
I think people would be pissed off if we took Robert Quinn
I wouldnt the guy is a freak
by Archie Barberio on Jan 20, 2011 5:29 PM CST up reply actions
id rather
have prince over quinn, my order would go prince, quinn, then trade down if neither are there
ahhh there we go
got the video working guys
its from last year, not much from this year because nobody threw at him
but he tears Texas up
by Archie Barberio on Jan 19, 2011 10:37 PM CST reply actions
love him
reminds of the Eric Weddle type of guy who doesnt blow you away but makes plays
I think Lainhart like say 4th round or later is a complete steal, I think he comes in and starts and becomes a productive player
I also like Jaiqwuan Jarrett from Temple
by Archie Barberio on Jan 19, 2011 10:50 PM CST up reply actions
Lainhart is exactly what we need actually
a solid player blue collar kid who makes plays
Ahmad Black is my favorite safety this draft, just love the guy man he is this little pitbull warrior that flys around the field
Rahim Moore is obvious, but Black is my dude idk I just like him
- flying around our secondary would be sick
by Archie Barberio on Jan 19, 2011 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
Different position of course, but Martez Wilson is the ultimate
fly around the field guy.
Would love to have this guy for nickel this year, then pair him with Lee in ’12.
He seems to be flying up the “experts” mocks though. Doesn’t look like he’ll be around at 40.
My thoughts exactly.
I posted a mock over at Mock Challenge. In it I chose Brian Lainhart and Ahmad Black, two potential starters at both safety positions. I also took Rashad Carmichael CB, which I think is a sleeper.
ohhhh me likey
hey you know I took Black in my mock on here, and then in another mock I did on here I took Carmichael, he is one of those FAST AGGRESSIVE corners
hey you like alot of the same players I like thats cool
nobody has mentioned Lainhart at all, good to see
by Archie Barberio on Jan 19, 2011 10:55 PM CST up reply actions
Killing me Chia !!!!!
You keep talking yourself out of Cameron Jordan.
I have no doubt that he elevates himself to bonafide 10-15 status at the Senior Bowl.
It all starts up front !!
na
I love Cameron Jordan, I said I would take him 9th overall
I stand behind it
unless Prince is on the board
Im a big Cameron Jordan fan, but not getting much love for Cam
by Archie Barberio on Jan 20, 2011 12:39 PM CST up reply actions
Great write up again Chia...
Only thing is, I am getting pumped up for the draft a bit early now.
Also, If we did get Prince, imagine being able to work on your game and learn against the likes of Miles and Dez.
He can become a beast.
Good luck as well with the job search Chia!
Go Cowboys.....Go Bulls.....
I disagree with why Peterson has a higher grade
he has a higher grade for being in the same class as an elite CB, yet is 20lbs heavier. Peterson’s combination of skills + abnormally large size make him the top CB. Prince has been esteemed as an elite CB all season as well though
ive had the pleasure to watch both
imo Prince is the better cover corner, while Peterson is a better athlete
Peterson has to work on his cover skills but has amazing speed and good technique
Prince has amazing technique but isnt the fastest but at the same time is very quick and has top recovery speed
I mean if I had to choose between the two, that would be very hard
I might take Prince over Peterson because right now, Prince is the safer pick
see Peterson’s size concerns me because you get too high in your back pedal and dont have a as fluid hips
Scouts INC said Prince had a high backpedal but I didnt think it was abnormal for a guy 6’0
by Archie Barberio on Jan 20, 2011 5:28 PM CST up reply actions
Peterson is much better than Prince.
He is better because he is a COMPLETE CB. Prince is good in coverage, but is weak against the run. He will struggle against the more physical WRs IMO. PP does not have that problem and has proven he can cover any type of WR. PP also has a lot more room for growth and it seems to me PA has maxed out his ability.
again I disagree these guys will get better
but they will come in as excellent CBs and will have hopefully nice 10 year careers. That said Patrick Peterson is simply 20 pounds heavier giving him a better size to speed ratio, which pushes him up draft boards.
I didn’t see Prince look weak against the run all year, and I did see a few Nebraska games
by AustonianAggie on Jan 21, 2011 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
"Prince is good in coverage but weak against the run"
Based on what?
I’ve read 3 reports saying he’s the best CB against the run in the draft.
And Peterson has had his problems too. Julio Jones ate his fng lunch this year.
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 21, 2011 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
Haha
I’m not getting anyone or being a jerk on purpose, but when I read comments that are CLEARLY biased, it drives me crazy.
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yep, and it happens all the time to me, too
I read comments that are CLEARLY biased, it drives me crazy.
"....the Cowboy way...." (Head Coach, Jason Garrett)
And if that is seriously the most ridiculous thing you've ever read on any blog.
You haven’t read too many blogs.
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He held Julio just like every other WR the last 3 years to under a 100 yards.
That is not eating his fng lunch. Nice try though. As to being good against the run name 1 top 10 rushing team Nebraska faced this year. Or last year. No one in the Big 12 runs the ball. Peterson held his own against Bama and Auburn.
He had 10 catches against him and a TD.
Petereson held his own against Auburn?
Seriously, didn’t they run for like 280 rushing yards against them.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
OH and you're also wrong.
Kansas State runs the ball, OU runs the ball, OSU runs the ball, that’s non factual and you don’t know what you’re talking about apparently.
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Wrong none of those teams are power running teams.
Ou and OSU especially use the run to keep teams honest. Neither are true running teams.
Seriously?!
Are you fng serious?
Have you ever actually watched any of those two teams play?
Or did you just watch hightlights?
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Very much serious.
And yes I have watched both teams play quite a bit. Any team that runs the spread is not a true power running team. Sorry if you feel like I am insulting your Conference, but the Big 12 is a spread league now.
I don't have a CONFERENCE
I’m a fan of a team, not a conference.
AFB Condensed- New name, same flavor.
In these comments Ive now read
Big 12 teams don’t run the ball, don’t play defense, and don’t have big pro like WR’s. If all that were true( and its not), what the heck does the Big 12 do? lol
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by Archie Barberio on Jan 20, 2011 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
So you went
from Cam Jordan to Fairley to Von Miller to Mark Ingram and now to Prince…glad to see you have come around.
People should remember this when they criticize the Dallas FO: it’s easy for anyone to fall in love with a player, and it takes true objectivity to evaluate talent.
As long you stop comparing Ingram to Emmit I’m happy ;)
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im not really flip flopping
each player I featured in the Back To Basic series was a player who could be a option for us in the draft
see the thing with Ingram is that, Stephen said today they would take the BPA available
Ingram could very well be the BPA when 9 comes around, and it looks like a classic Jerry pick
Cameron Jordan is a great option for us 9th overall because your getting pass rushing from your DE
Von Miller would give you a pass rusher on both sides at OLB, being pretty hard to protect your QB against
Fairley is just a beast, but thats not happening for us now, he is a top 3 pick
Prince would give you a lockdown corner
see the whole thing I am trying to get across is the options you have 9th overall
just because we need OL help doesnt mean you should handcuff yourself to a OL when there will be some great players on the board
right now this is how I have the big board ranked
1-Nick Fairley
2-Prince Amukamara
3-Patrick Peterson
4-Da’Quan Bowers
6-Robert Quinn
6-Von Miller
7-Cameron Jordan
I feel those 7 players are the best fit for us, unless Tyron Smith can solidify himself as a top 10 pick then I would say Smith is 8th overall maybe a little higher
we don’t need Mark Ingram, but im just preparing myself for that pick, and we would be getting a great player so I wouldnt bash the front office like most would
by Archie Barberio on Jan 20, 2011 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If we take a RB i will be furious..
Davie Wilson
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by scotscowboyfan on Jan 22, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
I have those players rated higher, I think Dareus is a Spears type
by Archie Barberio on Jan 22, 2011 2:52 PM CST up reply actions
Spears or not..
He is multi-talented and versatile. Has the size and talent to play 3-4 DE. He’s consistent and relentless with NFL-ready strength to back-up any O-Linemen.
see this is what pisses me off
alot of people bash Von Miller right, so if I asked them what if Clay Matthews was available 9th overall? I would say most people would say hell yeah
well Von Miller is compared to Clay Matthews, who both were undersized in the weight department and Matthews added 15 more pounds in the last 2 years at GB
my point is if we all crave a Clay Matthews? why not get one in Von Miller? thats why I would defend a Von Miller selection 9th overall
by Archie Barberio on Jan 20, 2011 7:58 PM CST reply actions
Just because one player makes a positive adjustment does not mean the next guy will.
In college Matthews played the run much better than Miller which is my only complaint with Von.
Question Chia?
Do you think Dallas should Trade this years and next year #1’s to Carolina for their Number 1? Then use that to pick Fairley? Would you support that?
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by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 20, 2011 10:16 PM CST reply actions
no
just because of the value of a #1 pick is so high imo
next year we could be getting a premier LB or CB
by Archie Barberio on Jan 21, 2011 8:39 AM CST up reply actions
No!
Fairley is too limited in his technique to play in Dallas or in any 3-4 for that matter.
What do you mean?
He’s a 4-3 guy. Only plays 1-gap. Can’t play 2. Isn’t a stout run-stopper.
Plus, he isn’t consistent. Comes with a history. We don’t want a Haynesworth in Dallas.
We run a one-gap system pretty consistently. Rob Ryan will continue that system.
So yes, he could play in our system pretty easily. Not saying there wouldn’t be an adjustment to playing the five technique
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What if?
Mel Kiper has Von Miller going in the 8th pick, leaving us with Prince.
What if the 8th pick chooses Prince, does that leave us Von Miller?
I’d go for it.
Rob Ryan isn’t going to play 3-4 on every snap.. Rex Ryan plays more 4-3 then he does 3-4, yet people think the Jets play a 3-4. Yes, they play a Hybrid, but it mostly consist of 4 Linemen with their hands down then 3.
The same will happen with Rob’s 3-4 Hybrid. I don’t see why Von Miller wouldn’t work. There will be rotation and it can work.
I can see Rob putting Miller and Ware as DE with Ratlif and Brent as DT, rushing four guys and getting pressure. It would do wonders for our secondary. Especially hide the flaws.
The most exciting look...
OLB – Anthony Spencer
DE – Marcus Spears?
ILB – Von Miller
DT – Jay Ratliff
ILB – Sean Lee
DE – Stephen Bowen?
OLB – Demarcus Ware
Von Miller has very good zone coverage and has the burst to close on plays. Added with his pass rushing abilities, makes him versatile.
yeah
Miller is underated in coverage too, thats something he worked on
by Archie Barberio on Jan 21, 2011 8:40 AM CST up reply actions
I keep saying that Miller would make a great ILB but most people seem convinced he’d be better served as an OLB.
I am not a huge fan...
I think the guy lacks short distance burst and for a big corner tends to lose jump ball type plays. He plays trail too much when he should be on a recievers hip.
You can play out of postition if you have amazing physical talents but Revis and Asomugha type players always have positioning.
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Question on Prince
In theory, he sounds like a great pick – highly rated, smart, durable at a position of need. But when I watch him, I just don’t see a top 10 pick. Granted I’ve only seen a couple highlight reels. Even that Texas tape didn’t look amazing. He got beat deep once (ball was thrown out of bounds) and a couple slants were completed.
Plus, while Blackmon is a great college receiver, I don’t think he’s going to come in and be the best in the NFL or anything. Prince will be facing guys in Blackmon’s league a lot. Hakeem Nicks for one, twice a year.
So maybe I just haven’t watched Prince enough, but he doesn’t look very sudden.
One other note…a couple plays stick out from this year, and one is Meachem blowing by Newman like Chia mentioned. I knew then that he didn’t have his wheels anymore. Hopefully he is just injured, but just like I said w/ Colombo last year, don’t bet on an older guy coming back to his previous self off an injury. I think we have to plan on Newman being a 3rd cb, and be pleasantly surprised if he comes back to form.
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Newman was dealing with Rib injury from the Titans game(i may be wrong on that one) so I think that may have been his problem this year…. However I would love to have him be our 3rd Corner with Scandrick and Jenkins on the outside…. then have Prince and A.O.A. as the safeties(AOA as FS, Prince as SS or vice versa) that would be a nice Secondary IMO
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by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 21, 2011 2:41 PM CST up reply actions
Too much
Newman can’t play 3rd Corner, and
he won’t take a pay cut to be the 3rd corner, and
Jerry won’t pay him to be the third corner.
Corners that get older want to move to Safety, not third corner. The slot demands more quickness, which Newman is loosing.
yeah
I think he is quick, but his speed is gone
he got smoked this year badly
by Archie Barberio on Jan 23, 2011 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
That is why he should play slot and let Odog play #2 CB. Scandrick seems to be better with the boundary to help him.
idk
I like Scandrick better in the slot than on the outside
but its not crazy to believe that Scan can be a starting corner
I really love Scans game when he is on
he pissed me off the begining of the year, I bashed him hard
but deep down I really like Orlando Scandrick
he is tough physical and has amazing speed
by Archie Barberio on Jan 23, 2011 12:12 PM CST up reply actions
He never got burned repeatedly
Like Jenkins

by JimmyJohnson on Jan 24, 2011 6:01 AM CST up reply actions
well
we werent talking about Jenkins we were talking about Newman
Newman is old bro
his speed is fading fast
Jenkins gave up the most yards this season of any CB
frankly its the oddest thing I have seen in a long time
a Pro Bowl corner, who played just as good as any CB besides Woodson and Revis in 2009, then has one of the worst seasons for a CB ever
just odd
but Jenkins is young and its not a point of deminishing skills like Newman
by Archie Barberio on Jan 24, 2011 12:29 PM CST up reply actions
He had the best year of his career
with Hamlin at FS.
In comes Ball and he has the worst year of his career, so far.
Maybe this year, out goes Ball and in comes a real FS. Maybe Jenkins returns to top CB again.
Physical Player
I think I like Amukamura better than Harris for the Cowboys. He did look more physical. Not a tremendous tackler, but he has good size. I would be curious to see him cover Desean Jackson in a bump and run. I think that’s how you contain Jackson. How do you see him against Jackson?
Pluses
-Good Size
-Physical
-zone coverage experience
Minuses
-Can’t get between the receiver and the ball like Harris
-Harris might be better in a couple years
-speed?
I like Prince
I like the guy but he kept getting beat on the slants , Overall I think he can play…
by "$outh$ide" Jay on Jan 28, 2011 1:56 PM CST reply actions

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