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Cowboys News: Bruce Carter To Practice, Derrick Dockery Wants To Play

Bruce Carter is ready to practice

Cowboys Plan To Practice Bruce Carter | ESPN

The Cowboys received a bit of a surprise contribution on Sunday, as ILB Bradie James forced a strip of TE Aaron Hernandez. James' snaps have steadily decreased this season, amassing only 107 snaps through five games. James had been a top six defensive player in terms of snaps last year, and top five the two years prior. Well, James might be losing even more of those reps.

The Cowboys will begin the time frame for linebacker Bruce Carter to join the 53-man roster on Wednesday by having the second-round pick practice for the first time.

Carter is on the non-football injury list recovering from a torn anterior cruciate ligament he suffered at North Carolina last season. The Cowboys will have two weeks to practice him before having to promote him to the active roster or placing him on injured reserve.

"It’s exciting because we haven’t seen him," coach Jason Garrett said. "He’s been working hard on his own on the side. We’re pleased with where his conditioning is and where he is physically but he has to integrate himself as a football player. So we’ll get that chance to do that and we’ll see him in practice. We’ll see how he’s going and how confident he is on the knee and hopefully slowly we can get him integrated into the defensive system and the kicking game and he can make a contribution."

Cowboys RB Felix Jones likely out two to four weeks | DMN

Felix Jones' high ankle sprain had him in a walking boot on Monday. The oft-injured running back can't do anything to shake the label of frail, although his toughness can't be questioned as he continued to play despite a dislocated shoulder suffered in Week Two against the 49ers.

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LG Dockery Thinks He's Ready To Return | The Mothership

The Cowboys will be bringing in three linemen on Tuesday to try and replace rookie Bill Nagy, who is expected to be out for the season. Derrick Dockery hopes that he'll be the man to replace Nagy in the starting lineup, but isn't sure whether or not he will get the medical clearance to suit up against the Rams.

"With the fracture on the outside, it's about getting rolled up again and blowing your knee out," Dockery said. "So now it's letting the fracture heal. It's had pretty good time to heal now, so I think I'm ready."

If Nagy is placed on the season-ending Injured Reserve, the Cowboys will be left with only eight offensive linemen on the 53-man roster. The team will bring in three linemen for a workout on Tuesday, though the preference would be to have Dockery healthy.

Rams' Bradford Has High Ankle Sprain | San Antonio Express

It looks like the Cowboys might catch a bit of a break, as their opponent this coming Sunday has their own injury problems. The Rams have already lost a ton of man games to the bug, and now face the possibility of coming into Dallas without their signal caller.

Bradford has a high left ankle sprain and is in a walking boot, leaving his status for this week's game at Dallas in question.

"I think you are always concerned when you see your quarterback in a boot," Rams coach Steve Spagnuolo said. "In my experience with the high ankle sprains, you just never know."

If Bradford misses any time, journeyman AJ Feeley will get the start in his place.

After Obtaining Lloyd, Rams Cut Sims-Walker | CBSSports.com

Willing participants in the Denver "Suck For Luck" master scheme, the Rams today traded for sure-handed wideout Brandon Lloyd. The subsequent move was away from their off-season free agency acquisition Mike Sims-Walker, who was released.

The grand Mike Sims-Walker experiment in St. Louis ended today when the Rams traded a conditional sixth-round pick to the Broncos in exchange for Brandon Lloyd.

That’s from the St. Louis Post Dispatch, which reports that the Rams cut Sims-Walker after the Lloyd trade was completed.

Brady On Cowboys D: "They Really Made Us Earn It" | NBCDFW

"I think what they do is make you earn every yard," Brady said after the game, per ESPN Dallas. "It’s not like there are a bunch of gimme throws out there or gimme routes or gimme calls from the sideline.

"There are a lot of different things and they have a lot of good players that can execute it. Some good linebackers, a line that really rushes no matter how many guys – three guys, five guys – and some guys even cover. It’s a good defense and they really made us earn it."

Jerry Jones says Cowboys had 'to go for the kill' late vs. Patriots | Yahoo! Sports

"When you get in a situation like that, you’ve got to go for the kill," Jones told Y! Sports shortly before leaving the Cowboys’ locker room. "I felt like we could’ve been more aggressive. Our defense had been good all day, but you knew Brady had a length-of-the-field drive in him – so it didn’t surprise me at all when he took them down at the end."

Garrett Addresses Red Zone, Late-Game Calls | DallasCowboys.com

Good writeup from Garrett's presser today. To watch the entire thing, go here.

"I don't think so. I think we were pretty aggressive throughout the ball game and I think Tony did a nice job handling it," Garrett said. "He had the interception early where he got a little pressure in his face and the ball came out of his hand a little funny. But after that he really settled in and again we got into some nice long drives.

"One of the things we needed to do in this ballgame is you try to keep Brady and (Wes) Welker and those guys on the sidelines and we did get some turnovers on defense, but also as we drove the football on offense. To have close to 33 minutes on time of possession you limit their opportunities."

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"One of the things we preach to Tony is, 'Hey, make a decision and cut loose and let's get going,'" Garrett said. "He understands that situation, those plays, those opportunities and he had to move in the pocket a little bit. He had to find some space. He had to get the ball out of his hand. Each of those things came up in those tight red-zone situations.

"So we certainly understand the importance and the value of Dez and also Miles Austin, (Jason) Witten - there are a lot weapons we'd like to get the ball to down there. Sometimes you're able to do that. Sometimes you're not. You just got to move on and find the best option to execute the play and give yourself a chance to score points."

Ware Now Has Franchise Record For Multi-Sack Games | NBCDFW

...The Pats game also represented Ware’s third multi-sack game of the season and the 20th of his career--a new franchise record for the Dallas Cowboys.

Ware passed Greg Ellis and Jim Jeffcoat with his second sack of Brady on the day, a play that helped kill a Patriots drive early on in the second half.

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Thanks for all the links, KD

I am so spoiled now on BTB that I rarely read other sites for news. I just click over and read the links that you and the others put in front of me.

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Spurs? It's football season!

by hookerhome on Oct 17, 2011 10:56 PM CDT reply actions  

Any word on who the three linemen they brought in were?

Would you guys rather see Holland or Davis? Probably not who it’d come down to, but I think it’s an interesting debate.

"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." -Niels Bohr

by Fergie3108 on Oct 17, 2011 11:22 PM CDT reply actions  

I figured he'd be one of them.

It shall be interesting to see who the other two are. I think it’ll probably be guys with experience in the system. So maybe Davis and Brewster.

"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." -Niels Bohr

by Fergie3108 on Oct 17, 2011 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

hopefully one of them works out for us

not signing Waters hurt. He’s playing well for NE

by somebodyquiet on Oct 17, 2011 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Personally

I want Arkin….I know he supposedly isn’t ready…but heck obviously neither was Nagy….and now Arkin has has a few weeks working with Wociek(sp?) Put him in and see how he does….

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.

by I am Ironman!!! on Oct 18, 2011 12:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm all for Arkin, Holland, and Dockery (when healthy) battling it out for that spot.

Competition is always a good thing.

"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." -Niels Bohr

by Fergie3108 on Oct 18, 2011 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

that gets a rec!!!!

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Am I the most optimistic Cowboys fan in the World? Yes, due to an "unfortunate accident" to the previous holder of the title.

by I am Ironman!!! on Oct 18, 2011 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

OMG!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHA

Bruce Carter+Sean Lee=BRUCE LEE!!!!

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by Archie Barberio on Oct 18, 2011 3:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wouldn't it make more sense.............

if it was gravy coming out instead of blood?

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Oct 18, 2011 7:38 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

or a leaky balloons or coke?

The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists

R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"

by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 18, 2011 11:10 AM CDT up reply actions  

That would have made for quality television

He could have cut some bacon off his back while he was at it.

Greetings from the Humungus, the Ruler of the Wasteland, the Ayatollah of Rock and Roll-A. I laugh at your puny plans.

by Lord Humungus on Oct 18, 2011 8:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hahahaha!

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Oct 18, 2011 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

interested to see bruce carter and what he can do...

whether it’s on special teams or in some type of sub package later on in the year…

"They need security in the world, Craig!"

by Tuna Helper on Oct 18, 2011 1:27 AM CDT reply actions  

I say...

Throw bruce into the fire now
bradie james makes no plays
in fact i think he puts us at a disadvantage on passing downs
I think that he could be another miracle like Sean Lee
Bruce Carter + Sean Lee = Bruce Lee

I WAS BORN AND RAISED A COWBOYS FAN IN WASHINGTON,DC...

by syco bob on Oct 18, 2011 4:43 AM CDT reply actions  

Bradie James makes no plays except forcing a fumble against the Pats that was a foot tackle short of going to the house...

So Bradie isn’t Ray Lewis….he’s been a solid member of this team for years and has consistently played thru injuries…played with heart..and been a leader for that unit for awhile. We all know his weaknesses but to say that he makes no plays or is a liability when he readily plays special teams to do whatever he can to help the team is absurd. He sees the writing on the wall. He realizes the business side of this game as well as knowing its a game for the young. Don’t dismiss him cuz he’s not making the stats light up week to week. He makes his contributions in other ways.

Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home

by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 18, 2011 5:13 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good looking TruBlu

Bradie James is an overlooked and under appreciated member of the team. He’s nothing but a good soldier and a professional teammate.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

by Nickthegrip on Oct 18, 2011 6:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

No - understand that I think he will be and should be gone

If not this yar, then obviously next as there’s no contract for him. To me, kicking him in the butt on the way out the door isn’t that cool.

I’ve never had a problem with Bradie James for the reasons I listed above. People like Roy Williams, Marion Barber, etc – people who I didn’t think were “good teammates” I have no problem bashing.

Due to age, regression, whatever, Bradie James has simply reached his useful end as a Dallas Cowboy, and doesn’t need to be beaten on while he departs, that’s all I’m saying.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

by Nickthegrip on Oct 18, 2011 6:51 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

and I agree- just not sure what part of the article did the thing you're defending

I said it’s a surprise contribution and his snaps have decreased.

That’s considered bashing these days?

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by KD Drummond on Oct 18, 2011 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry to butt in

but I think Nick was referring to syco bob’s comment above. Not what you wrote in the article KD. Just trying to be the mediator.

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Oct 18, 2011 7:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

oh snap- I wasn't following the up arrow properly, apologies Nick + TBTTC

I was sitting here like, why are they saying I’m bashing Bradie?

Thanks TP

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by KD Drummond on Oct 18, 2011 8:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that was it - not your article, his comment.

No worries :)

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

by Nickthegrip on Oct 18, 2011 8:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

just doin my job

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Oct 18, 2011 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Tarheel Paul

Diplomat, Statesman, America’s Team Fan….

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Oct 18, 2011 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

And upper button thingy pusher.

Who are you? And how did you get in here?
I'm a locksmith..and..I'm a locksmith. -- Frank Drebin.

by White Wolf on Oct 18, 2011 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dez and Tanner

Why doesn’t Dez get targetted in the second half? I just don’t get it. He looks great in the first half, breaking tackles and looking like a monster, but in the second half he gets looked over for a shovel pass into a bunch of linemen instead.

Will Philip Tanner get his chance? In the preseason our run offense has looked anemic just like in real games right now but he was able to get a consistent 4+ ypc while everybody else was getting squadoosh.

by satchow on Oct 18, 2011 6:06 AM CDT reply actions  

Dez lacks maturity and discipline

He’s a great talent, but he spends too much time jawing with opponents and not enough time gaining the trust of his QB by running the correct route, not taking plays off and being where he’s supposed to be.

Hell, even the big 3rd and 23 play versus Washington he barely moved at the snap and had to be directed by Romo where to go. The kid has a lot of growing up to do. I hope he does soon.

As for Tanner I hope he at least gets the short yardage stuff. If he does well there then his riole expands. We know what we have in Choice (I’m convinced he would have been moved this week had Felix not gotten hurt) and it’s an average talent at best whose chances of hurting you with boneheaded plays increases as his touches increase.

Murray, we’ll see. Not sure he can stay healthy with a heavy workload. His history suggests he may be fragile.

I like Tanner and think there’s something there. Unfortunately the o-line play is going to limit anyone we play at RB.

Bring in the Clowns, I mean Browns.

by Bayou Cowboy on Oct 18, 2011 8:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

I wonder who gets cut for bruce carter and no word on forbath?

What about buehler?

I wonder if after this NE game things will start clicking because nothing will be as hard?

Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player and 2012's Superbowl MVP
"No one gives us the right, we take it." L. ~SPN

by thebigham on Oct 18, 2011 6:14 AM CDT reply actions  

I dont see how it can be anyone besides Buehler at this point.

The injury to Nagy kind of forces it I think. Forbath stands no shot to me.

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Oct 18, 2011 7:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

idk.. bailey got zero touchbacks didn't here

they all were at the goalline

Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player and 2012's Superbowl MVP
"No one gives us the right, we take it." L. ~SPN

by thebigham on Oct 18, 2011 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bailey did a great job directional kicking on at least a couple kicks, I noted it on twitter during the game

Average field position for NE after a kickoff was 22.4, plus the coverage team forced a fumble.

Obv. can’t depend on a forced fumble and you don’t say I’d rather have the chance to do that then know they can’t run it back for a big gain, but it does say that the coverage team is capable of covering.

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by KD Drummond on Oct 18, 2011 8:11 AM CDT up reply actions  

yes it does

It was scary some looked like they were heading straight out of bounds. As long he keeps making field goals

Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player and 2012's Superbowl MVP
"No one gives us the right, we take it." L. ~SPN

by thebigham on Oct 18, 2011 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

I just don't know who else you cut

with the way injuries pile up I just dont see how you can cut any of our position players. Keeping two kickers would be a luxury right now. I would love to see Buehler out there booting kicks through the end zone but I just dont see where we can afford to go thin at another position.

With carter coming back maybe Albright?

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Oct 18, 2011 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

trade kitna for a bag of chips

why have 3 qbs is beyond me

Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player and 2012's Superbowl MVP
"No one gives us the right, we take it." L. ~SPN

by thebigham on Oct 18, 2011 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions  

we found out last year why you keep 3qb's

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Oct 18, 2011 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

we did?

If you have to rely on your 3qb your season is over already. And if you lose your qb1 for a long time you find one to pick up

Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player and 2012's Superbowl MVP
"No one gives us the right, we take it." L. ~SPN

by thebigham on Oct 18, 2011 8:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

I see what ur sayin

but lets just say GOD FORBID KNOCK ON WOOD that Romo gets his neck broke, then kitna comes in and breaks his back, then Choice comes in (he just happens to be our emergency qb) and he tears both his acl’s.

Then what?

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Oct 18, 2011 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

oooo, nice.

Ok i agree, we dont need no stinkin 3rd qb.

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Oct 18, 2011 8:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

hahahahahaha

woman !, don't try to understand em, don't try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
(redskins)= A Tale of 2 owners, bought by Snyder, OWNED by the COWBOYS
Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.

by demonbane on Oct 18, 2011 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

well played sir....

Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home

by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 18, 2011 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

On one kick off, I yelled don't go out of bounds!

It ended up at least 5-7 yards away from the side at the goal line.

"It’s football season and usually football players play football during football season." - Tony Romo

"The next starter is up!" - Coach Garrett

by fs65 on Oct 18, 2011 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Good stat KD

Average field position is what matters and Bailey’s directional kicking works.

Buehler has been stealing money from Dallas for years. If he wasn’t Jerry’s pet he would have been cut a long time ago.

Bring in the Clowns, I mean Browns.

by Bayou Cowboy on Oct 18, 2011 8:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

During the coin flp, my buddy said to me that the Pats would choose a certain side of the field to defend

I was half ignoring him, but the wind through there made it very easy to see why the Pats chose to defend whichever side of the field. Where I was sitting, the wind coming through was very noticeable, and clearly affected the kickoffs and field goal attempts.

When the kickers kicked towards the McDonalds in Gillette Stadium, the kicks hung up and were short. When they kicked towards their “foghorn” (An odd looking cage/tower thing with a light in it that I guess is supposed to look similar to a lighthouse), the kicks went deep into the endzone.

Just something I noticed while there…

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

by Nickthegrip on Oct 18, 2011 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions  

Which end has the gap in the stands?

I would guess the McDs end. (into the wind)

"It’s football season and usually football players play football during football season." - Tony Romo

"The next starter is up!" - Coach Garrett

by fs65 on Oct 18, 2011 5:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Looks like Forte is unhappy with his contract in Chicago

Love to see him donning the Star. Also eagerly looking forward to Chia’s post on why Felix Jones is a bust. When can we expect to see it?

by @Tonekupone on Oct 18, 2011 7:09 AM CDT reply actions  

Forte is from western Louisiana

Lake Charles I believe. He may have grown up a Cowboy’s fan.

I’m ready to bail on Felix and Choice. I’ve seen enough of both.

Bring in the Clowns, I mean Browns.

by Bayou Cowboy on Oct 18, 2011 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Do we need a fan post to prove what we already know?

Felix is a bust for the simple fact he’s too fragile to be relied upon consistently. The guy was a a part time situational RB in college, where even those guys can look great and put up big eye popping numbers. Unfortunately for us, he played at Jerry’s school.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Oct 18, 2011 9:18 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

+1

Another Jerry pet.

Bring in the Clowns, I mean Browns.

by Bayou Cowboy on Oct 18, 2011 9:21 AM CDT up reply actions  

How many Arkansas players has Jerry drafted?

I could be wrong here, but if you include Felix Jones, I think that makes exactly one.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

by Nickthegrip on Oct 18, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

winner winner chicken dinner

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Oct 18, 2011 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

That has nothing to do with it.

Jerry has plenty of pets that he held onto too long or overpaid a new contract, and you know it.

"It’s football season and usually football players play football during football season." - Tony Romo

"The next starter is up!" - Coach Garrett

by fs65 on Oct 18, 2011 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

not really but Chia is somewhat a stat guy and

i’m just saying he might bring up some valid points. a fun post to read.

by @Tonekupone on Oct 18, 2011 9:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

Chia is a stat guy? Yesterday I was worried. Now I’m deeply concerned.

by One.Cool.Customer on Oct 18, 2011 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

A couple concerns

I have not understood the reluctance to play Murray and Arkin,

Carter will not be a big factor, think Lee last year,

No running back is going to fix the running game Forte or Emmitt Smith, not going to happen. The problem is two fold, the line gets no push and Garrett refuses to run the football.

I expected to lose to the patriots in foxbourough, now I expect to start winning games,

I get the impressions we have a handful of players whos conditioning is off, Jones, Murray, and Dez all looked gased at points in the game, Murray even took himself out after a decent run, Murray needs to man up this team needs him to step up and suck it up.

by Musiccitynorm on Oct 18, 2011 7:15 AM CDT reply actions  

I think it's less conditioning and more about effectiveness...

The line is able to protect tony but not get the push that we need in the run game. I have a feeling that Garrett will fine the cure to the running game blues….

F**** establishing a culture, we need to establish dominance...

by Holchr31 on Oct 18, 2011 8:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

I agree on all points

I especially don’t understand not playing Murray. Didn’t we draft him in part because his pass blocking was at an NFL level? When he was in the game yesterday, I noticed he did well in this area.

Murray I agree on in terms of conditioning (to contradict my previous point). I think Felix and Dez are just banged up.

The game we needed carter most was last week unfortunately. I don’t think any other team has the kind of TE talent the Pats do.

by foyesboys on Oct 18, 2011 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

you know that is an excellent point

they do seemed gassed early and often. Meanwhile I watched a big bodied back named Michael Turner tote the rock almost 30 times in Sundays win against Carolina. Dude was obviously gassed but never took himself out and his legs kept moving

by @Tonekupone on Oct 18, 2011 7:38 AM CDT reply actions  

Time to step up Mr Murray

and show us why drafting a RB in the 3rd with some good Olinemen on the board was not a mistake……

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by BigBad Joe on Oct 18, 2011 7:39 AM CDT reply actions  

becuz you don't use the draft for one position.....we had already drafted T at number 1...

I think the pick for Murray was sound…Felix injury prone…unknown consistency from Choice….Barber being let go….so with so many questions at that position picking up a good RB with a skill set like Murray made a lot of sense.

Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home

by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 18, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

It's not our D anymore...

it is the red zone offense. We can stop them ok and we can move up and down the field and if we can get tds instead of field goals, we are 5-0!

May The Force Be With the 'Boys! Amen!

by sbnles on Oct 18, 2011 8:00 AM CDT reply actions  

Jerry is right.

The NFL is not for the feint of heart.

Here’s a report of Jones’ reaction to Garrett’s decision to not put the ball in Romo’s hands. I think most cowboys fans were thinking the same thing.

"They’re gonna get at least a field goal," Jones grumbled in his luxury suite after the Cowboys, clinging to a three-point lead with less than three minutes remaining, punted the ball back to the Pats following three consecutive running plays. "We’ll be lucky to get to overtime."

Ten plays, 80 yards and a little more than two minutes later, Jones’ suspicions had been confirmed. Brady’s eight-yard strike to tight end Aaron Hernandez(notes) in the back of the end zone delighted 68,756 fans and rankled numerous Cowboys players and coaches, several of whom would later question Garrett’s conservative play-calling throughout the final six-and-a-half minutes – all under the condition that their names not be used.

Jones, however, went on the record with his frustration after watching his talented team fall to 2-3.

"When you get in a situation like that, you’ve got to go for the kill," Jones told Y! Sports shortly before leaving the Cowboys’ locker room. "I felt like we could’ve been more aggressive. Our defense had been good all day, but you knew Brady had a length-of-the-field drive in him – so it didn’t surprise me at all when he took them down at the end."

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Oct 18, 2011 8:35 AM CDT reply actions  

Shut up Jerry!

Hindsight is 20-20.

I wish had the same perspective and was a critical of the moves he made in the off-season that wrecked the o-line of this team. Which will ultimately be our downfall.

Cutting Gurode was an awful decision (he’s starting and playing well in Baltimore). Signing Dockery over Waters, who lives in Dallas and wanted to play for the Cowboys, was an even worse deicision (Waters is starting and playing well in NE).

Hell, even Columbo is starting in Miami.

He kept Holland around long enough, when he was clearly fat and out of shape, to get a $500k roster bonus then cut him. Now only to consider bringing him back.

Bring in the Clowns, I mean Browns.

by Bayou Cowboy on Oct 18, 2011 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I won't dispute that Jerry has made some mistakes or worse

But according to the report, it was not hindsight. He in his owners box and me in my living room were thinking the exact same thing: you can’t give the ball back to Brady.

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Oct 18, 2011 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

And if Romo throws a pick

or gives up a sac/fumble on 3rd and 18 we’re killing Romo again (like at the end of the Jets and Lions games).

The right call there is to run the ball, make NE burn their timeouts, punt them deep in their own territory and rely on your defense who were playing lights out to get one more stop.

Bring in the Clowns, I mean Browns.

by Bayou Cowboy on Oct 18, 2011 9:26 AM CDT up reply actions  

You know what's really telling?

Bill Belicheck opted to punt the ball to Dallas with around 3 minutes to go instead of going for it on 4th & 4 at the Dallas 39…he played the percentages and estimated correctly that Dallas, based on their play calling in the 4th quarter would go conservative and come out running the ball. What did he do? He stuffed the box on those back to back run plays which lost yardage. After both the first down run he burned a time out to preserve time, and after the third down run he burned another time out.

If the Patriots were playing the Colts, Packers, or Saints: they go for it on that 4th & 4 instead of punting it back to them down 3 points with under 5 min to go.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Oct 18, 2011 9:37 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I can't argue with what Belicheck did either

His defense was playing well and he felt like he could get another stop.

Same thing Garrett felt by running three time.

And based on the way the game was going, 16-13 score, it was the right choice to be made at the time by both coaches.

Bring in the Clowns, I mean Browns.

by Bayou Cowboy on Oct 18, 2011 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

Garrett took the easy way out with his decision

He deflected blame from himself to his defense. If Romo comes out throwing and they lose, everyone comes after him and Romo. If they do what they actually did: run, run, run, punt…then the defense gets the blame if they lose. Even Cowboys players looked puzzled on the sidelines during that second to last drive…Romo stood on the sidelines and looked pissed with his helmet on and arms crossed as they punted back to New England. This is a QB league, by putting the ball in Romo’s hands you’re giving yourself the chance to avoid Tom Brady orchestrating another Joe Montana moment for his NFL Films montage.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Oct 18, 2011 9:55 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Well said.

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Oct 18, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Why wouldn't you put the game in the hands of your defense

when the had held the opposing team to 13 points in nearly 57 minutes, had 4 turnovers, 3 sacks 8 QB hits.

They were dominating the game. It was the right move. It just didn’t work out.

I’m OK with doing that 100 out 0f 100 times in similar situations.

I trust the defense more than I trust Romo.

Bring in the Clowns, I mean Browns.

by Bayou Cowboy on Oct 18, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

I certainly don't

I knew the game was over when we didn’t put the ball in Romo’s hands

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 18, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cowboy fans are playing both sides of the fence here

You knew the game was over? Based on what? I’ve watched the game twice now and NE wasn’t exactly tearing it up offensively, they had scored 13 points, one TD in 57 minutes. They had done nothing up to that point to make me believe they could march 80 yards and score a TD. Nothing.

There was outrage when Romo threw picks with leads that cost us the Jets & Lions games.

All I heard was we should have been running the ball, and we can’t put the game in Romo’s hands. And Garrett is too cute with his pass calls. Now he runs and he gets ripped.

Tough job, lol!

Bring in the Clowns, I mean Browns.

by Bayou Cowboy on Oct 18, 2011 10:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

I knew it was over because Tom Brady was out there.........

but my opinion was based on a pure “gut feeling”. You can never feel good giving the ball back to that guy in that situation and I dont care how good your defense has been up to that point.

But i dont have a problem with the way Garrett called the plays either. I’m okay with the fact that he ran the ball twice. He had all intensions of throwing it on 3rd and 13 but you just can’t risk it on 3rd and 18. If he did…………and we didn’t get it………oh boy.

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Oct 18, 2011 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agree totally

I was pretty sure Dallas would lose, but you can understand the idea behind being conservative. It’s what HOF coach Parcells would have done. Or Tom Landry for that matter.

Don't believe everything you think.

by dunkman on Oct 18, 2011 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Different situations.

This is where the criticism of Garrett’s game management decisions have come into play. I don’t pin the loss in Detroit on Romo at all. As discussed here numerous times, you run, run, run, punt, rinse, repeat, and they don’t catch up.

The Jets game is much the same – Put the ball in Mark Sanchez’ hands, go right ahead, I have full confidence in the Dallas D to stop that guy.

Brady is a totally different animal – you need to keep the ball away from him, cause he did what he does.

Try a screen pass, try a quick slant….the Pats D was just sitting and waiting for the run.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

by Nickthegrip on Oct 18, 2011 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

That sounds exactly like situational football

which has to take the opponent into account. I like Ryan’s defense in the same situation against Sanchez and Grossman, but certainly not against Brady.

"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach

by dave33 on Oct 18, 2011 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm not playing both sides of the fence

There’s a difference between the Jets & Lions’ losses and this loss.

1) In the Jets game: up 2 scores in the 4th quarter in the redzone, if you go conservative and play for a short field goal you win the game if you boot it through

2) In the Lions game up 27-3 with 10 min to go in the 3rd quarter, you don’t need to air it out on first down, protocol says either run the ball or if you’re going to throw to keep the defense honest, call screen passes because they keep the chains and the clock moving.

In both the Lions and Jets games, when you’re up by that many points, you’re only fighting the clock at that point. Force the Lions offense and Jets offense to beat you, not the Lions defense.

3) In the Patriots game, a 3 point lead is nothing. When you play not to lose with under 5 min to go, up by 3 against the best QB in the league, and you punt the ball with 2:47 and 1 timeout, it’s pretty much a given they’re going to get at least a field goal out of that drive. You’re playing with fire.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Oct 18, 2011 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'm feeling better about my position now

Just heard Goose Gosselin reiterate my exact points.

Bring in the Clowns, I mean Browns.

by Bayou Cowboy on Oct 18, 2011 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions  

You don't give Tom Brady 2:47 and 1 time out to drive the length of the field on nothing but passes .

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Oct 18, 2011 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

Jerry wasn't speaking with hindsight

He was speaking with foresight. He, like the rest of us, knew what was about to happen after we ran the ball 3 consecutive times and punted the ball back to the Patriots with 2:47 to go.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Oct 18, 2011 9:25 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

If the score was 36-33 and Dallas was leading I'd agree

But it was 16-13. You have to make decisions in the context of what’s happening in that particular game. NE had four turnovers, the defense was pressuring Brady and dominating the game.

Garret has to limit his risk and rely one what has been working in that game. And that was his defense, the most dominant unit of the field for nearly all of that game.

Bring in the Clowns, I mean Browns.

by Bayou Cowboy on Oct 18, 2011 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

Just playing Devil's advocate

Let’s say Garrett plays to win on that second to last drive and the Cowboys turn the ball over deep in their own territory, you know what happens? New England gets an opp to take the lead, but the clock doesn’t tick all the way down to 22 seconds in the process.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Oct 18, 2011 9:43 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Thats fine.

But why does he constantly feel the need to talk? The only thing that statement does is show up your coach, and your team.

You want to have that talk, have it in private.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

by Nickthegrip on Oct 18, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh.

Well in that case, he should SHUT HIS CAKEHOLE.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

by Nickthegrip on Oct 18, 2011 10:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

the forecast does not call for that to happen any time soon.

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Oct 18, 2011 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

LOL.

Sigh.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

by Nickthegrip on Oct 18, 2011 10:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hahahahahaha

I was trying to wrap my head around that. There were Dream Team ramifications in there somewhere, I just couldn’t figure it out.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

by Nickthegrip on Oct 18, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Can't help but chime in here

I understand what Jason was trying to do, but he was a hair early in execution. At the point we got it, we needed to make one, maybe two, first downs in order to run off clock and force NE to call timeouts. I agree that we just can’t go three and out and give Brady that much time PLUS a timeout, even though our D had just forced a three and out. Jerry was expressing what I was saying at home. The win is right there for the taking.

True, you’ve got no choice on third and 18, but running two straight times on first and second downs into Belichek’s D that’s jacked up for run stuffing is counter productive.

"Everything is on the One." -- George Clinton, Parliament/Funkadelic

With an improved defense, everything should be on the One.

by Uncle Angus on Oct 18, 2011 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Let the DeMarco Murray era begin

High hopes for the kid

In Romo we Trust

by Terry on Oct 18, 2011 9:13 AM CDT reply actions  

Yea im excited to see what he's got

This is a big oppurtunity for the kid

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Oct 18, 2011 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions  

I liked the Murray pick when he was drafted.

I’ll be shocked if he doesn’t play well. He’s a playmaker with a nose for the endzone: Oklahoma’s all-time leader in TDs and yards from scrimmage.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Oct 18, 2011 9:29 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I wasn't crazy about the pick at the time

I thought we had greater needs and I believe that good RB’s can be found later in drafts.

We’ll see what he has. I worry about workload and injuries with him.

I’m looking forward to seeing the Tanner kid get some carries.

Bring in the Clowns, I mean Browns.

by Bayou Cowboy on Oct 18, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

caffeen free extra light

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Oct 18, 2011 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions  

lets hope he is the everydown back we need....

 of coarse it might take a few games for him to become conditioned for it, but id really like to see him and tanner come to the forefront .

woman !, don't try to understand em, don't try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
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Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.

by demonbane on Oct 18, 2011 3:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Relatively irrelevant NFL news:

But the Raiders just traded two first round picks to the Bengals for Carson Palmer. 1st in 2012, conditional 1st in 2013.

They must really think they’re that close to being in true contention.

"If something is a sure thing, it requires no faith." - David Allen

by KeyOfZ on Oct 18, 2011 9:31 AM CDT reply actions  

holy crap!

they haven’t learned!

Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player and 2012's Superbowl MVP
"No one gives us the right, we take it." L. ~SPN

by thebigham on Oct 18, 2011 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

it was in his will?

Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player and 2012's Superbowl MVP
"No one gives us the right, we take it." L. ~SPN

by thebigham on Oct 18, 2011 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

That is what I told someone at work lol

Hey Washington... D.C. stands for Dallas Cowboys

Twitter: @silva918

by Antonio S on Oct 18, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

Wow!

Palmer will be 32 in December. And has a lot of wear and tear including ACL/MCL tear and torn ligaments/tendons in his throwing elbow (it was recommended he have Tommy John surgery be he declined).

Seems like the way overpaid.

Bring in the Clowns, I mean Browns.

by Bayou Cowboy on Oct 18, 2011 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

smart move by Oakland

They’re 4-2…they’re definitely out of the running for Andrew Luck, Landry Jones, and Matt Barkley…and only had 3 draft picks in this year’s draft before the trade (1st, 4th, 6th if I remember correctly). Might as well put their eggs in one basket and try to win this season. If it works out for them, they lose their 2013 1st rd pick.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Oct 18, 2011 9:47 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

I get what you're saying.

It’s a “smart” move for Oakland, but it wouldn’t be for anyone else. And they had a 1st, 5th, and 6th – already gave up the 4th. So it’s a 5th and 6th for them in 2012.

"If something is a sure thing, it requires no faith." - David Allen

by KeyOfZ on Oct 18, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

less homework for them to do in the offseason I guess.....

Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home

by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 18, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's a bad move

Palmer can be a game changer and they obviously need a QB.

At 4-2 they have to go for it.

Just seems like they gave up a lot. Seconds and thirds were being rumored as the offers to CIN previously. Desperation I guess contributed.

CIN held out and won big time.

Bring in the Clowns, I mean Browns.

by Bayou Cowboy on Oct 18, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

just joking here.....

just imagine what they would have given us for Romo…..again…just joking…seriously…I’m joking….lol

Good Luck to the 53. Stand with Honor, Play With Pride. Bring It Home

by TruBluToTheCore on Oct 18, 2011 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

We can also agree that Palmer is a better QB than Jason Cambell.

If the Raiders win games or at the very least go 8-8 in 2012 and 2013, then the first round picks Cincy receives are middle of the pack to the bottom of the first round.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Oct 18, 2011 10:01 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

Palmer has been horribel the past three years

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Oct 18, 2011 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions  

Bengals may stumble around and get pretty good.

Lions, SF, Bills, Bengals are all getting better, quick. The worm is turning.

by DIRE WOLF on Oct 18, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

The team around Palmer was dysfunctional the last 3 years

Just watching Palmer, you could tell he wanted to be anywhere but there. He toughed it out and played as well as he could have given the circumstances. He guided them to the playoffs in 2009.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Oct 18, 2011 10:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

yep

this may be the worst trade I’ve ever seen. ever.

by foyesboys on Oct 18, 2011 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions  

2 first round picks?!

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Oct 18, 2011 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions  

Will the Raiders need ever draft again?

"Don't measure yourself by what you have accomplished, but what you should have accomplished with your ability."
-John Wooden

by eightball on Oct 18, 2011 9:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

The Raiders run the exact same offense Carson Palmer ran at U$C under Pete Carol.

Hugh Jackson, Raiders current HC was on that U$C coaching staff.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Oct 18, 2011 9:40 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

He was also on the bengals staff as WR coach

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Oct 18, 2011 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions  

yes he was

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Oct 18, 2011 9:56 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions  

they got raped , bent over, demonized, hosed, kicked in the teeth ,.......

 what was the raiders thinking….2012 1st and a 2013 2nd that can be a 1st lol. yeah i can just see lil boy Palmah leading them to a SB or a afc champ game …loil.. NOT !

woman !, don't try to understand em, don't try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
(redskins)= A Tale of 2 owners, bought by Snyder, OWNED by the COWBOYS
Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.

by demonbane on Oct 18, 2011 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think it is actually a 2nd rounder right now

That can become a 1 based on playtime incentives. Which, knowing the Raiders, means it’ll become a 1 as soon as he steps on the field.

"If something is a sure thing, it requires no faith." - David Allen

by KeyOfZ on Oct 18, 2011 9:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Stop.

"If something is a sure thing, it requires no faith." - David Allen

by KeyOfZ on Oct 18, 2011 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I was just waiting to see how long it took for someone to say that......

exactly 12 minutes. I’m actually impressed it took that long.

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Oct 18, 2011 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions  

me too.

seems like a brillant idea lol

by @Tonekupone on Oct 18, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

wow......i would have taken 2 firsts for Romo....

and even thrown in Choice…and Newman if they wanted him….

Tony oh-no.....

by McLovin9 on Oct 18, 2011 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions  

I bet you play your Madden franchise with the salary cap off too.

"If something is a sure thing, it requires no faith." - David Allen

by KeyOfZ on Oct 18, 2011 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

If some team offered two first for Romo...

Jerry would be stupid not to take the deal. In any case, Bengals showing Jerry how to get it done. Draft a QB to replace Romo, then trade Romo for picks to continue rebuilding the team. Good draft year too for QB’s, better than last year.

"[Sean] Lee has more value now...than our entire 2010 draft"--- An Eagles' fan.

by LDVFootball on Oct 18, 2011 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions  

As long as you know for a fact

that you can draft a franchise qb wit one of those picks and give up on the current season and probably the next.

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Oct 18, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Did the Bengals know they were going to hit with both

AJ Green and Dalton? You have to trust your scouts and front office to use the picks wisely. In our case, we have to trust in JG to tell Jerry what he wants…

"[Sean] Lee has more value now...than our entire 2010 draft"--- An Eagles' fan.

by LDVFootball on Oct 18, 2011 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

I play madden with salary cap on, and I pulled that deal off myself

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Oct 18, 2011 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

what urks me on madden is ....

 they dont have the cowboys stadium seating count right. guess they still going by old texas stadium seat count.. at least they did in 2011 madden .

woman !, don't try to understand em, don't try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
(redskins)= A Tale of 2 owners, bought by Snyder, OWNED by the COWBOYS
Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.

by demonbane on Oct 18, 2011 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Here are some more official details, Dire:

From PFT:

The Bengals have traded quarterback Carson Palmer to the Raiders for a first-round pick in 2012, and a conditional first-round pick in 2013, according to Adam Schefter of ESPN. News of the potential trade was first broken by Jay Glazer of FOX. Glazer reports that the 2013 pick is a second-round selection that can become a first-round pick.

"If something is a sure thing, it requires no faith." - David Allen

by KeyOfZ on Oct 18, 2011 9:55 AM CDT up reply actions  

I would have gone after Green Bay's Back up

Matt Flynn has starter potential he is way younger and would have cost a lot less to get.

Hey Washington... D.C. stands for Dallas Cowboys

Twitter: @silva918

by Antonio S on Oct 18, 2011 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

if the raiders win a playoff game it becomes a 1st......

woman !, don't try to understand em, don't try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
(redskins)= A Tale of 2 owners, bought by Snyder, OWNED by the COWBOYS
Id say RIP Al Davis, but i know your up there drunker than a monkey and clocking angels in the 40 yd dash.

by demonbane on Oct 18, 2011 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

2 first rounders for Palmer? I thought Mike Brown was being an idiot, but I was wrong. Dude made out HUGE in that deal. Wow.

formerly "what_the_crap"

by Dub_TC on Oct 18, 2011 9:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Don't think they'd get any return there

But they should get fairly nice compensatory picks for Nnamdi and Robert Gallery. Nnamdi will net them a 3 (and possibly a rare compensatory 2, but I find that unlikely given his age and a variety of other factors) while Gallery should bring a 4th/5th. When it’s all said and done, they should have a few mid-rounders to work with and their current 5th/6th.

That said, I find it very difficult to believe that Palmer will provide field value greater than his price tag. Not the Roy E. deal for sure – but still represents short-term thinking, IMO.

"If something is a sure thing, it requires no faith." - David Allen

by KeyOfZ on Oct 18, 2011 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

What has he ever shown to make anyone value him that much?

I think he’d pull in a 4th from a desperate team, 5th from anyone else. He’s a nice guy, but I think he’s always been in the wrong situation and his career was sort of stunted because of that.

"If something is a sure thing, it requires no faith." - David Allen

by KeyOfZ on Oct 18, 2011 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

Not really.

Atleast i wouldn’t give that up for him

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Oct 18, 2011 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

When has the Raider organization shown anything but that

Well, recently. They used to be an innovative organization, then Al went all Jerry. Or is it Jerry went all Al?

Regardless, its pretty clear that this is a “Win one for Dad” move by the new owner, whose pompadour is just as big as his dad’s bouffant.

Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts.

by Nickthegrip on Oct 18, 2011 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

he's a free agent after this year

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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 18, 2011 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions  

DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

I actually have work to do. Crap.

We're here to win football games. The way to do that is to tell him and to get on him at the right times. I do that when you guys (media) don't see and watch.''

What else makes a strong leader?

"You win,'' Romo said. "You're a very good leader once you win.

"That's' what we're going to do.''

by TARHEEL PAUL on Oct 18, 2011 10:47 AM CDT reply actions  

Here's why it makes sense from the Raiders perspective

- They’re 4-2 with a very soft schedule. All they need is a QB who can hand the ball off to McFadden and Bush and then hit the deep ball to keep the defenses from stacking 8 in the box and going all out blitz on 1st and 2nd downs. Neither Kyle Boller and Terrelle Pryor are good enough to do that. Carson Palmer is really good at throwing the ball deep.

-Hugh Jackson, the current Raiders Head Coach, recruited Carson Palmer and coached him up at USC, and was the WRs coach on the Bengals staff. Carson Palmer knows the offense that the Raiders are running, which is the same offense that Palmer won the Heisman Trophy with at USC and helped lead the Bengals to the playoffs with in 2005 and 2009.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Oct 18, 2011 10:52 AM CDT reply actions  

Pryor and Boller aren't good enough to execute the Raiders' offense.*

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Oct 18, 2011 10:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

choice, bennett, ogletree, and other filler for Peyton

Hillis. haha almost got you. but seriously there seems to be no chance he stays in cleveland. if he got his ish together in dallas Jerruh will give his razorback the money. plus we get to clear house of underacheivers who need a change of scenery. then felix can go back to being COP while hillis is the number 1. (throw murray in too if hillis isnt seriously injured)

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R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"

by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 18, 2011 11:19 AM CDT reply actions  

Peyton Hillis is a flash in the pan one year wonder.

"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."

by Rohpuri on Oct 18, 2011 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Could be a good short-yardage guy, though.

If it only costs Choice or Ogletree and maybe mid-round 2012 pick I’ll take that trade. Put him in behind Josh Brent (hopefully we can start calling him The Refrigerator Part II soon) and punch it in.

by TheBlueBaron on Oct 18, 2011 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

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