Is It Time?
Having just witnessed the latest in epic comebacks by an opponent whose MVP was our $67 million QB, I start thinking; Is it time?
Coincidentally, we’ve passed the quarter pole on the 2011 Dallas Cowboys season and are headed into the Bye week. We’re a disappointing 2-2 staring at New England, St. Louis and Philly. Yeesh. There are, as usual, some things to feel really good about. Let’s start with them.
ON THE PLUS SIDE
The Defense! First and foremost, this defense has surprised almost everyone and looked nothing like the one Wade Phillips was running this time last year. Dallas defenders are flying around the field and actually making big plays to save games and change games. Sean Lee has been a revelation, being named the NFC’s Defensive Player of the Month to start the season. The Cowboys have stifled running teams and passing teams. The run defense has been stout at the point of attack and you have to like the decrease in pre-snap penalties.
That Bailey guy. Who is this guy? He ties an NFL rookie record for FG’s in a game and nobody knew who the heck he was just weeks ago. He looks solid from distance and, even though David Buehler’s specialty was kcikoffs, this new kid has made me forget about him as his kickoffs have also been sailing deep into opposing end zones.
The Offensive Line. Are you kidding me? Bill Nagy? Phil Costa? These no-names are performing well beyond their years AND their draft status, largely against some defensive fronts with household names as fixtures. No, this unit is doing quite well and Hudson Houck and his guys should be very proud of their first quarter of work. The one player people thought was a lock to be the anchor of the unit (Doug Free) has been the least impressive of the bunch. Wow!
The Coaching. I’m sorry, but I like everything these coaches are doing with the players. The stupid penalties seem to have been eradicated, the execution and discipline that was lacking seems to be present across all three units. The DC and OC seem to have their acts together and I like the in-game adjustments being made as injuries have ravaged the DB’s and WR’s. Yes, this coaching staff has put together a nice 4-game set.
THE NEGATIVES
Number 9. Well, it is readily apparent that this team is a level-headed signal caller away from being 4-0 and competing for home-field advantage. Instead, we have Tony Romo, whose tenure as leader of this team has led to high high’s and interminably low low’s. It reminds me of a roller coaster. Not just any roller coaster, but the kind that take your breath away. A real screamer. You know the ones…they leave your stomach a bit queasy and your head spinning? They have names like Cyclone and Tower of Terror and Bizarro. They all sound like I feel.
Like this;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y14OkjSNmE4&feature=related
I love roller coasters, but the thing about them is that you only ride them when you’re on vacation. They’re short. They end. Then life returns to normal, steady footing. But not this one. Not with Tony Romo. This roller coaster feels like one we just can’t get off of. The car pulls into the loading area, but the safety harness stays down. It was fun and I liked the heart-pounding excitement, but once is enough. I’m ready to get off and do something else. But no. Off you go again. Pulled up to the top and then let loose upon the track again. Over and over and over. That’s how I feel.
I’d love to be able to spread the wealth and talk about other areas that I could call negative. Hey, the running game isn’t doing all that great. But, then again, this is the running game we all thought we would have, so it has kind of, well, lived up to expectations.
Nope, this ride is all about Tony Romo. It’s like it needs its own kooky name. I’ll leave that to the comments.
So here’s the question. When is it time to finally put our collective foot down and say enough is enough? When is it time to get off of this roller coaster?
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trade romo for sum picks next year..
Right now Romo will do enough not to be bench.. the double agent is wise..
But we going to ride this coster out for the season…trust me Romo will let up and let down again..
by lostar2009 on Oct 2, 2011 8:14 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Trade Romo for what
You would get a 3rd or a fourth for Romo
The only players that you could get a good deal on would be Tyron Smith, Dez Bryant , Miles Austin and Ware.
by Jonathan Stern on Oct 2, 2011 11:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Surely some team would give up at least a 2nd for him?
Either that or we just invest in a good sports psychologist, cause he is a CHOKER lol.
You could get a ton for Sean Lee...
And the Cowboys literally dumped a ton when they cut Montrae Holland…
: )
cubic or metric?
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
Anyone really thinking here!!!!
First if you trade Romo for some picks who do you plan to start in his place next year… A ROOKIE QB with no NFL experience is about as likely to succeed in the NFL as just about any other position. So what you would be wanting to do is to throw a known quantity away for an unknown quantity with only a 20% chance of success. PERIOD! Not happening.
It would be smart… to do this.
Draft a QB one that has all the skill sets you would like in a QB. Let him sit on the bench for a couple of years and learn. That is the best method. If you think taking a QB in the first round is going to add up to a RING or a better team you have a lot to learn. Need to take a history lesson from the rest of the league.
Everyone thinks they know what the problem is…1. you had an injured QB playing in the Detroit game his conditioning sucked because for the last two weeks he was laying on a couch and not practicing. Early in the game he was good… he was rested and the pain meds where controling a good bit of the discomfort … the Oline was holding well and he wasn’t getting knocked around. 2. You have his entire receiving corp banged up… Witten was hurt but playing as well as was Dez… He found solice in 2 week old player Robinson picking up the slack but that was it. 3. When I have my star player dealing with an Injury such as the one Romo was dealing with I am aware of the time as a coach… I have a 24 point lead mid way into the 3rd and Romo is sitting on the bench sucking down Buds and watching Kitna bring it home.
Say what you want but I would have liked to see you out there risking your career with a broken rib and btw a broken rib hurts every time you breath. I had one I know! So all of you that are sitting here making comments about Tony’s future really suck because not only was he out there risking it all for you… for the fans… and that’s who they do it for… for you. It was a bad coaching decision to leave Tony in after we had the 24 point lead. Simple as that! No one else to blame but JG!
RexP
And replace Romo with who?
He created our elevated expectations. Yes, he’s messed up, horribly, but he’s the only reason this team can win. This team is a mediocre team playing above their heads. The offensive line has been OK, but a lot of its recent success has more to do with the play calling. And the running game hasn’t been there much.
How soon we all forget the dark years between Aikman and Romo.
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Between Aikman and Romo?
What glory has Romo brought this franchise?
Dude, Romo is 3-7 over his last 10. How much better is that than the “dark years”?
Let’s not talk about Romo with such reverence when all he’s done is be as consistently inconsistent as any of the QB’s since Aikman retired.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Are you saying Romo is the equivalent of those dark years?
Any of those past scrubs don’t win games 2 or 3 this year, and don’t jump out to a lead against the Jets or Lions. We just have to roll with him this year and start drafting QBs every year to develop, like the Packers did. To me, McGhee is the equivalent of Buehler for Jerry. Some flash but eventually not the answer.
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
No
But I’m saying 3-7 is 3-7.
Let’s not put Romo in the Ring of Honor given these colossal failures.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Im not even mad anymore
It’s almost to be expected at this point. When you have a rollercoaster QB like Romo were never going to get where we want. The sad part is some of these guys prime years are going to be wasted until he is replaced.
In Romo we trust----NOT!!!!
yeah man i'm looking mainly at Ware and Witten
and to an extent T-new and Bradie and Ratliff.
Most of the O-line that got dumped had most of their career wasted from 06-10 with the roller coaster of fumbled snap to 13-4 to 44-6 to getting embarrassed by the vikings to broken collarbone
its like Romo you basically have a two-year window to get this ish together. Ware and WItten arent going to hold up at All-Pro levels forever
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 4, 2011 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions
It's all in the sample size
Yes he’s been bad recently, but he’s had a very good record overall. In the regular season. If he had Aikman’s offensive line and running game, it would be a different story. He wouldn’t feel the need to improve so much.
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It's trending downward
…so the question we have to ask is how long before his record ISN’T that good anymore.
When is it time?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
That's a good question
And I don’t know the answer. My personal, very biased, emotionally-based opinion is that we ride out this season and next. We have Ware, Rat, Witten, and Miles all in the prime of their careers, and I can’t help think that we’re not that far away from being playoff ready. If we ditch Romo, it would be like hitting the reset button, as it’s unlikely that we will replace hm with anyone better.
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No way dude
he’s the only reason this team can win. This team is a mediocre team playing above their heads.
This team has a good defense, and pretty much every position on offense is at least average except for QB. The only weakness is run blocking, and even that is improving. I think there are lots of QB’s that could do more with this supporting cast.
Yes!
As I said, this team is getting better in 52 spots. It’s the 53rd that is seeing a dropoff.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Who? Who's "your chosen one" parachuted-in replacement?
Now. Today. For the Pats game and onwards. Tony’s done, gone, outta there.
Who?
Cry 'Havoc!'
Let's think about whoe the league's AVERAGE QBs are and then decide if Romo is on the same level since you bring it up.
Rex Grossman
David Gerard (I know he’s not playing but I’m counting him)
Joe Flacco
Mark Sanchez
Kyle Orton
Kerry Collins
Jay Cutler
Donovan McNabb
Chad Henne
Tavaris Jackson
Alex Smith
Jason Campbell
Kevin Kolb
Do you really consider Romo to be on the same level as all of these guys? I think I’d take him over ANY of these QBs.
Is it safe to say that he’s consistently not on the same level as Brady, Payton, Brees, and Rodgers? Sure. But if you consider 3 tiers of QBs, with average being the 3rd, I’d put him at a solid 2nd tier most of the time, with occasional dips and spikes.
Also, just as a side note, in terms of pure number perspective, I checked one of my fantasy leagues and he’s currently the #10 QB in overall points, which is pretty impressive considering having a zero TD game under his belt and being pretty hurt for 2 of them.
by Hatchetman337 on Oct 3, 2011 3:02 PM CDT up reply actions
I'd take Flacco
Cutler has a better arm and the truth is we’ve never seen him with the kind of protection Romo got yesterday.
BTW, thanks for bringing up the fantasy point. Proof that the stats you get in Fantasy have little bearing on how good you really are. Aikman would be submitted as my Exhibit A.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Flacco is the most overrated qb in the league
dude is just straight garbage. ill take flacco if i get to bring the ravens defense too
by howboutdemcowboyz on Oct 3, 2011 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions
dallas defense isnt that far off from the ravens defense
ravens just force more turnovers
and boldin and Ray-ray are legit but give Flacco Miles, Dez, and Witten, now if only the line was fully Yugly like the ravens line
plus i dont see why Felix cant turn into a receiving threat like Ray-Ray
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 4, 2011 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Wow, really?
You think we can match up well with Reed, Lewis, Ngata and others?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
not with smarts
but most of b-more’s back end core is old
i believe scandrick and jenkins would start for them. Ware and Lee no doubt. Spencer and Rat would get significant PT as well
but from what i have seen on the field. Dallas’ D when fully healthy should able to contain most offenses which is why i’m hoping scandrick, hatcher and sensi are back for NE and carter is playing by the Philly game or at least the Buffalo game to give this team a real test
remember Matt Hasselback and Kenny Britt straight destroyed them and had Ed Reed floating so out of position
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 5, 2011 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
We haven't seen a high-powered passing attack yet
New England sure qualifies as one of those. I’m not bullish on our chances to contain them.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Trade him to Miami
For Matt Moore and a 1st :P
I kid.
But I do like that Moore guy.
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
It depends how you measure a QB
What are you trying to achieve: win the superbowl.
Who gives you a better chance?
QB A) Going by any metric he is a good if not great QB, will put up lots of yards and touchdowns.
QB B) Not very talented guy, with strong supporting could put up good numbers, not a choker, won’t lose you the game with terrible decisions under pressure.
QB A gives you NO CHANCE, QB A will never win three, if not four playoff games in a row (what it takes to win a superbowl). QB B gives you a chance depending on how strong the rest of your team is. IMO our team is EXTREMELY strong this year. Look at your list, Grossman’s been to a superbowl with a strong supporting cast, Flacco’s been to conference championship with a strong supporting cast, even SANCHEZ has been to TWO CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIPS with a strong supporting cast. Romo is 31 now and he has consistently put up good numbers with relatively strong supporting casts and all he’s done is win ONE PLAYOFF GAME and CONSISTENTLY CHOKED. If this was something that was going to improve at all (that being his ability to handle pressure situations) it would have done so by now, you can argue it has improved a tiny bit, but not nearly enough, the dude’s 31, he will NEVER win a superbowl.
My proposition: play Kitna, he won’t lose you the game, and with this supporting cast he could put up pretty good numbers, heck, even take a look at Garrard, he’s been solid through the years with terrible supporting casts, who knows what he could do with ours. Pick up someone better next offseason either via trade or through the draft.
If you still think Romo will ever win a superbowl you are in denial, just like Jerry Jones, plain and simple.
Since you mentioned Kitna not losing games, if you remember, Kitna threw 2 picks in the 49ers game just a couple weeks ago, so he was on his way to losing that game.
by Hatchetman337 on Oct 4, 2011 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions
Oh yeah
And Kitna never would’ve covered up all those botched snaps against the skins. He’s not as mobile anymore and I bet at least one of those would have been a turnover if not a run back for a TD with Kitna in there.
I’m not saying that nobody could be better than Romo, but a lot of people are coming down on just him. He didn’t make the defense give up a couple TDs to Megatron in the 4th quarter.
by Hatchetman337 on Oct 4, 2011 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions
Really
When a guy comes in cold off of the bench and is asked to run an offense as complex in nature as Garrett’s, wouldn’t you expect some chemistry issues that need to be worked out?
I’ll tell you wat I see; when Kitna is in the game, the pace is quicker, the reads he makes are better and the team feeds off of his fire and intensity.
When Romo is in the game, they come up to the line with 6 seconds left on the play clock and make a ton of mental errors because the team just doesn’t seem as dialed in.
Kitna’s athletic ability is almost nil, which means he has to find ways to win on a cerebral level. He proved he could do that last year and, despite his early miscues, he was a Roy Williams gaffe away from being 6-2. What team’s backup QB can do that?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
they come up to the line with 6 seconds left on the play clock
That was one of the many things that Tony and the Cowboys were supposedly working on. It’d be nice to see some results there
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And coming to the line with 6 seconds on the play clock is all Romo’s fault? It doesn’ t have ANYTHING to do with Garrett or the other offensive players?
by Hatchetman337 on Oct 4, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
QB has to get the play and get the team to the line
Plus, he’s got to make his pre-snap reads more quickly.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
How the hell do you guys keep pinning things on Garrett?
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
I know. It is obvious that sort of stuff is all the fault of Bill Parcells, duh
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Pinning things on Garrett??
Really? When all I was going for is that the blame doesn’t fall squarely on Romo? The point is that it’s more than Romo’s fault. If we hadn’t run the ball straight into a pile of 300+lb men on 4th and goal, we probably wouldn’t have lost this game. Is that ALSO Romo’s fault? It must be, because he’s the only one who deserves ANY blame, right?
Let’s just calm down on the blaming here, ok?
by Hatchetman337 on Oct 4, 2011 3:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Are you serious?
He leads the league last year in lowest bad decision percentage but because he comes off the bench for half a game, with no practice reps under his belt he’s a bad decision maker? Good argument bro.
Never said he was a bad decision maker, but you made the point that Kitna would not lose games with mistakes, so I thought I would point that out.
by Hatchetman337 on Oct 4, 2011 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions
I think the team responds very well to Kitna
…and I still marvel at that pass in the corner of the end zone to Miles. That was brilliant.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
kitna is a savy vet who have seen and done it all.
What made me mad about the 49ers game is the plays was there all game ..
But I bet Kitna can come in right now and led this team.. He wud just manage the team all drive the bus..I mean really our oline look Gud,d is clicking just put us in place to win!!! He will too..
Also when he got in the game it seem as he was calling more run plays too.. but to think Garret would scale down the offense for him is ridiculous when he gave us a 5-3 record against some serious competition. What im saying is the fact Kitna decided to run more and keep the play the Garret called in more than what Romo does..
I doubt Garrett would call a bunch of pass plays right off the bat with a cold and rusty Kitna coming in. He probably called several runs to try to get him warmed up. IMO Garrett would scale down the offense slightly for Kitna because he can’t throw down field as well as Romo.
by Hatchetman337 on Oct 5, 2011 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL
They said the same thing about Peyton… before he took Indy to the SB.
Elway had the same issues not winning the big games.
Kelly, Marino the list goes on forever.
RexP
Excellent point
This entire conversation is insane. Yes, Romo loses games occasionally, as does every other quarterback. That doesn’t mean that we should be dumb enough to get rid of someone with a 95.3 lifetime QB rating.
by JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoo on Oct 4, 2011 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions
i would say he is at the top of this list
but the gap between him and Flacco and Cutler isnt as far apart as it should be. And if the raiders make the playoffs and Jason Campbell shows some Josh Freeman-esque poise than Campbell will have closed in on the gap as well
this is if Romo continues the course of 105 passer rating, 80 passer rating with a bunch of turnovers, 105 passer rating, 80 passer rating with a bunch of turnovers, game after game after game
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 4, 2011 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions
ben u just sum up in this post..
What I been trying to preach for years on this blog..
by lostar2009 on Oct 3, 2011 6:27 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
There are more coaches who could do better with this team than Garrett.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Oct 3, 2011 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Come on, fm
Every single part of this team has improved year over year and yet you’re calling for JG’s head?
That’s not mensa-level thinking.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Romo is the best Cowboys' QB since Aikman. That is true without question.
Of course, that is like being the world’s tallest midget. It is not exactly an achievement
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Who IS the world's tallest dwarf?
And how tall would that person be?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
No one cares, which is sort of my point
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by Seanrude on Oct 3, 2011 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
smartest kid in summer school
is another apt anaology
Romo is thousand times smarter than you so does that make you dumb?? Just curious
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 3, 2011 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions
of course that kid could spell analogy
Romo is thousand times smarter than you so does that make you dumb?? Just curious
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 3, 2011 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions
exactly at this pace Romo career will be an afterthought
and people will wait for the next great QB yearning for Aikman days. People remember Danny White because he came within seconds of reaching super bowls
Romo will just be another link in the fence that covers the gap from AIkman to the next Great Dallas QB.
think detroit fans are yearning for another scott mitchell or constantly reminiscing on his “good ol days” in detroit?
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 4, 2011 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Scott Mitchell was very tall...
but could never see far downfield. Strange…
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Pleading for your sanity after the ride
That rollercoaster has your eggs scrambled buddy.
I implore you to read my fanpost “Is this the Cowboy Way?”. I made mention of you there.
I know your down on Tony, but I’m not. Remember what Parcells used to say about him? he used to say Tony’s problem was that someone needs to “Rein him in”.
Garrett doesn’t do that. He doesn’t coach Tony well I believe. Heck, it seems like Garrett just opens tha Pandora’s box and let’s Tony continue throwing. A big NO-NO in my book- courtesy of the Tuna.
You used to believe this way too Blings. For me, nothing has changed. I truly believe in the philosiphy that Tony has to be curtailed. I always did. Garrett is the root cause of this.
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I'm sorry man but
this is not about Garrett. What is Garrett going to do to make Romo not throw balls off his back foot? It’s not like Romo is a rookie. He is 31 years old and he is what he is. He has a “Tin Cup” mentality. You heard what he said in the presser. He says he needed to be able to throw the ball further on the Witten pick. The thought of throwing the ball away never came to him. Just like Cosner in Tin Cup laying up in front of the water is a personal affront to Romo. It’s in Romo’s DNA and there is absolutely nothing at this late date that Garrett can do about Romo’s DNA.
Although I agree, he did need to throw the ball further on that play with Witten behind the coverage and no safety deep, I agree with the rest of your point. Romo is what he is. This is what we’re living with. It’s not on Garrett, this is what we’ve got at QB. Ups, downs, rollercoaster, etc. You can’t expect Garrett or anybody else to “reign him in” or whatever you wanna call it. It is what it is. Put the blame and the credit where it lies. On Tony Romo. Nobody else.
by Useful_Idiot_ on Oct 3, 2011 4:00 AM CDT up reply actions
of course he has to throw the ball further on that play
but the thing is that he can’t, he doesn’t have the arm strength for it. He needs to learn his weaknesses and not let them get the best of him.
by somebodyquiet on Oct 3, 2011 6:32 AM CDT up reply actions
He can
…but not off of his back foot!
Looking at the replay, that was Pop Warner QB footwork.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
and brainwork
Romo is thousand times smarter than you so does that make you dumb?? Just curious
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 3, 2011 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions
and the sad thing is that man is 1000 times smarter than me
Romo is thousand times smarter than you so does that make you dumb?? Just curious
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 3, 2011 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
if i'm correct that was first down
why didnt he fall down and take the sack? while dallas still had the lead?
i dont care that he didnt plant his feet, make the 70 yard pass, and get completely crushed
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 4, 2011 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I guess what i'm saying
Is that i could at least see what he was trying to do there. I have much bigger issues with the “wtf was he thinking” type of picks (ie the other two). Those two never should’ve been thrown. While i’m not happy about the result, i don’t have a problem with romo making the witten throw. He’s capable of making some incredible plays, just didn’t work out this time. And considering we needed a spark at that point in the game, i don’t have an issue with romo attempting that particular pass.
by Useful_Idiot_ on Oct 3, 2011 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree
but I understand your thinking. My issue there is don’t throw off your back foot – you don’t have the gun for it.
Romo is thousand times smarter than you so does that make you dumb?? Just curious
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 3, 2011 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
on first down
protecting a lead, etc.
Romo is thousand times smarter than you so does that make you dumb?? Just curious
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 3, 2011 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions
So this again is about situational awareness
…which he clearly lacks.
This is not something you can teach a 31-year old veteran QB.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
maybe he'll evolve into a Rich Gannon
but red has to take some blame. He’s been here for basically all of romo’s career. He should be able to discipline him(not like todd haley) and let him know when he is being silly with the ball and the game
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 4, 2011 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions
"Tin Cup" mentality is spot on!
The dude can play as well as any other qb in the game when he’s on, but he can blow up better than any qb I’ve ever seen.
I would gladly lower my expectations for the Cowboys season and watch McGee start and make mistake after mistake with the hope that he will improve over time.
Romo is what he is, a Tin Cup.
Rec. for you 5Blings and the roller coaster ride.
Thanks IMHO, and yes, that video is pretty cool
If it weren’t in Japan, I’d book a trip to ride that thing.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
It was pretty apt in this situation.
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
That second dip where they go past vertical?
Yowza!!!
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Not about Garrett
Well, that’s your opinion. Mine is, a coach has to do something about this, and after years of seeing these kind of tendencies, and also seeing nothing being done about it, Umm…Yes it is about Garrett, for after all, it’s his offense.
Garrett mentioned that he would have to adjust his gameplan if Kitna was in there. Why not adjust it for Romo after watching Romo make the end-of-game bluders he has made for years now? especially after you build up a lead in a game?
The end-of -game passes, for years now, have become the commonplace demise of the Cowboys. They specialize on offense, under Garrett, to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. And most fans want to blame the QB for this, but they obviously can’t see the philosiphy flaw. This coach hasn’t learned to curb Tony’s tendencies. To say this kind of meltdown is in Tony’s DNA is a cop-out.
Garrett is not helping Romo, he is putting Romo in this kind of spotlight. To blame Romo now and not talk about the real culprit, Garrett, is a big injustice. Garrett has to make coaching decisions on offense, not just continue to throw the ball, and when it doesn’t work, say “Well, that’s Tony, so we have to live with it”.
Do a coaches job Garrett, you are the coach.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Oct 5, 2011 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions
The only thing he can force on Romo
Is benching him. He can call a run and Tony could possibly change it. Or he could call a pass and Tony still has the ability to throw who he wants to (not necessarily the open guy). Problem is I don’t think JJ will allow anything like that since Romo is part of the money making process.
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
I think he should
It might destroy the situation mentally for Tony but I think they have to calm him down and get him out of that overdrive gear he has. Our QB has good days and bad days and gets paid exceptionally well for both, I don’t think that he would throw a temper tantrum if JG gave him a time out to collect himself. If he did well then it shows us what kind of leader he is.
If someone on the offense messes up Romo has the right to chew on them and if he messes up then he should expect the same.
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
Interesting Jevans
I find it interesting that alot of fans believe that the playcalling is fine, and that Romo is to blame for the offenses woe’s.
but I still can’t see how if Romo has these tendencies, that Garrett can’t do something about it. He most assuredly can make the decision to not pass in those situations, but just doesn’t.
If Romo Truly can’t change, like you say, then it makes Garrett’s lack of reaction to this ongoing problem even a bigger issue than I thought, and less a Romo problem for sure.
This is why I made the statements as far back as 08 that I believe “Romo and Garrett are like mixing a bad drink”, as well as the other statement that I believed that “The Cowboys don’t have the time to be training a coach” in Jason Garrett.
Contrary to the fact that it’s a passing league, and having a strong passing game be one of the most important aspects of a team, this does not belittle the importance of the run offense, or the other aspects of the team. I just don’t believe it’s within his nature to go conservative, and at the end of games, especially when you are up, you have to. Garrett doesn’t feel like he can or should rely on the defense, or the run offense, and he will learn these lessons as a coach, but unfortunately, it may take too long for people like Tony Romo, because the time and experience that Garrett will have to go through to “get it” will take awhile.
Like othere have stated, “even a high school coach would have known to just run and eat the clock”. These mistakes of Romo are cause by Garrett’s decisions to pass in those situations, where little was to be gained and much to loose. The latter usually is the outcome as a result of those decisions for this team.
The Redskins game would have been lost if they did not run Tashard for 2 or 3 consecutive no gain run plays. I thought the redkins where going to get a turnover, then score and win. But that was taken away from them with those run plays, which even though it was obvious Garrett did not want to call them, he did, and funny how that became his smartest decision in that game.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Oct 9, 2011 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions
DP...
Remember what Parcells used to say about him? he used to say Tony’s problem was that someone needs to "Rein him in".
That was SIX YEARS AGO.
Come on. Who reigns in a 31-year old 67 million dollar QB with a fragile ego?
I think you’re kidding yourself the same way Denver fans were led to believe they could win a Super Bowl with Tommy Maddox and Philly fans were led to believe they could win one with McNabb.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Tony Romo is a QB with a fragile ego?
Romo is Tommy Maddox?
Blings, you’re a smart guy, but you need to check and see if somebody’s been slipping something into your water today.
by Admiral Dallas on Oct 2, 2011 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
It's not about the QB's
It’s about the fan bases who were delusional and couldn’t see their guy for who he really was.
AD, Romo has wonderful talents, but he lacks the head for the NFL game. I really do think it has to do with not having had those big games against big time competition.
He doesn’t play the game like a leader of a TEAM because he forgets all about their ability to impact the outcome of games. He approaches it as though he were all alone out there against the world.
It’s sad really.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
What?
“He approaches it as though he were all alone out there against the world.”
If that were true, wouldn’t he be a running wild man instead of a throwing one? Who could he be throwing to if he thinks he is out there all alone against the world?
If you are saying he tries to do too much, I can agree that is true. Otherwise, I think you are off base on this point.
by E Schweigert on Oct 3, 2011 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions
He forgets he can throw a ball away and keep a 27-3 lead protected by the defense that is thwarting his opposing #
He forgets to take a sack rather than sling one into double inside out double coverage.
He forgets that situational awareness is EVERYTHING for the role he plays.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
And that is where...
… the Trinity of Romo, Garrett and Wilson need to step up to the challenge. Last I looked they were all part of the same team, supposedly charged with addressing the challenges within their areas of responsibility in a coordinated and effective fashion to achieve success. Unless one or all are gone prior to the Patriots game, it’ll be that way up to and including that game. Which’s next on the schedule, in case anyone’s forgotten.
And it’s not EVERYTHING. Ridiculously dramatic and theatrical statement. If it was “everything”, apparently you could play the position. Or any of several others hereabouts, yet again.
Cry 'Havoc!'
it's not everything
but a lack of awareness can undo an awful lot of good.
Romo is thousand times smarter than you so does that make you dumb?? Just curious
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 3, 2011 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions
Not ridiculously dramatic at all
Quite appropriately dramatic.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Do you know I just saw that for the first time?
Been so busy I missed it on the FP.
I was late to say thank you, but it’s up there now.
Thanks tan for the link.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Notice the 2 interceptions which occurred late against the Jets and Lions were on 1st down...
The first when we were tied, the second when we were still winning. It’s like his early gaffes have a snowball effect (punt block for TD and 2 pick 6s). It’s like he wanted to make up for all those mistakes with one play. So damn frustrating.
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
Notice that...
there is no sane reason for there to be a pass called on those downs, in that situation.
I may be wrong..
But I feel the decision to pass was due to the fact that they tried running on the previous drive and went 3 and out.
As for that int, I can understand Romo’s logic about the lack of safety behind Witten, but not the Bobbie int, or 23 (if I’m not wrong)’s int off Laurent.
by folkmademelovetheboys on Oct 3, 2011 3:39 AM CDT up reply actions
No, that's wrong
Regardless of the down and distance, a good OC tries to take what the defense gives them.
Calling a pass is not the error. Not throwing the ball away or looking to the checkdown (again, it was 1st freaking down!!!) is all on the player.
HE should know better.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Totally agree. Romo is what he is. We’re along for the ride, and until a change is made, you can’t blame Garrett or anybody else for Romo’s performance. Romo is what he is, and all credit or blame should be directly squarely on the QB for his performances. He’s beyond the “growing pains” and “developmental” stages of his career.
by Useful_Idiot_ on Oct 3, 2011 4:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Six years ago
or six hundred years, doesn’t make a difference. The coach runs the team, not the QB. Garrett has been head of the offense for quite awhile now blings- you know this. Why would Garrett consistently put Tony in this one-dimensional mode at the end of games over and over again, watch the meltdown, yet come back the next week, and do the same thing, is beyond me, and yet, he does. How’s that outcome working for you Jason?
Jason Garrett needs to be sent down the road as OC for the Cowboys. He stinks, and it’s costing us Romo’s now. This was behind my statement that I made years ago that “we don’t have time to be teaching an inexperienced OC in Jason Garrett”.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Oct 5, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
So Jason told Tony to throw it to Robinson instead of the open Philips?
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
Whatever you want to assume happened
Does it really change the outcome of what’s been happening on offense?
Cowboys play great for 3 quarters, build a lead, look great in doing so, and in the 4th quarter, everything falls apart, and there are turnovers, predominantly from interceptions that are forced passes….
This is a theme now Frame.
Am I missing something?
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
Assume? Its on tape
Anything that falls apart afterwards is because of those 2 pick6’s that didn’t have to be. Just like the interception we had at the beginning of the game was a catalyst for how we got rolling.
Are you missing something? No not really but you want to make this more of a “team” screwup instead of putting it on the guy who should pay for his mistakes.
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
It's your right to blame Romo
Doesn’t mean you are right though
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
DP, let me put it this way
Why is it unfathomable to think that 52 guys could play lights out and do everything needed to win a football game only to have one guy (your chain is only as strong as the weakest link) play so poorly that it caused the team to lose?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Romo is not above being held accountable
but never has been held accountable under Garrett. If Parcells was coach, Tony would feel the accountability, but Garrett isn’t like that.
Do you want to understand the mindset Tony see’s in Garrett as his coach? How’s this:
“Don’t worry Tony, your pass completions will come, just keep passing, things will get better…”
Here is the big question-Is Garret doing the things a coach needs to do to really help Tony succeed?
Sitting there, saying you stand by your QB, after you coached him to “Epic Fail” again, begs a question- When, oh when, are you going to do your job as coach for this offense? Other teams defenses know what to do against Garrett, not Tony, and they just set they’re traps, and Garrett takes the bait.
This is not coaching, it’s that fanpost topic I wrote about a long time ago Blings called “feeding the monster”. Don’t you remember? He is willing to change his playcalling when Kitna is in there, yet doesn’t change it by watching Romo implode over and over again?
He doesn’t or can’t coach the run offense to become even average, and that hurts Tony beyond simple X’s an O’s, it negates his effectiveness as a passer.
The moment I see Garrett call a smart offense at the end of games, something that a Cowboy fan would be proud of, I’ll let you know.
Our problem lies in the decisions our head coach makes. He should be better at making decisions than this.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Oct 9, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
We just believe differently Frame
You believe Romo is to blame, while I am way beyond that. I watched Romo play great in pro bowls when he had a decent Oline, and time to throw the ball, and a running game.
I believe Romo has been set up to fail by Garrett.
I believe you don’t blame the messenger for the message.
It’s not the players, it’s the scheme, coaching and decisionmaking the coach has. He is till doing rookie coaching mistakes.
That’s my belief and I have seen nothing to undermine that.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Oct 9, 2011 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions
Not all coaches run their teams
I think Peyton Manning (especially now) is king in Indy. Not Caldwell.
But to your point, are you unhappy with Garrett’s play calling that LED to the 27-3 lead?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Oh my god Blings
over the years, The reason why I blog at BTB started with my dissatisfaction with Garrett’s playcalling, his use of the running backs (or mis-use), His lack of developing a running game, his lack of evaluating running backs correctly, his lack of developing or drafting Olinemen, they’re inabilty to get better at run blockking with so many pass plays called, and, the heavy reliance of forced non-chalant passes that end up in turnovers over just simply running the ball for little or no gain, and making the opponents offense earn victory versus handing them easy points with an interception and a short field, while watching Tony Romo implode his ego is the cost, and all because the coach can’t develop and doesn’t go after upgrading the weaker parts of the offense.
All is well if the pass offense is clicking, and it usually does, until the end of the any game, when the Romo-implosion begins, and it leads to sour defeat. It’s not me or you understanding that which matters, but whether Jason Garrett understands that. He seems to display, for years now, that he doesn’t understand. This was always on Garrett, and had nothing to do with Wade.
I want Rob Ryan to become head coach, and get an experienced offensive coordinator to turn Tony around by coaching him to QB a team, and forget about Garrett coaching Tony to pass the ball, because I’ve seen enough of Garrett’s pass playcalls. I had seen enough by 2008 actually Blings.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Oct 9, 2011 11:21 AM CDT up reply actions
Well, I'd like to see a running game too, but that won't happen overnight
I agree that you need to be able to close out a game by running the ball and that we have not shown the ability to do that.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
And with Garrett as OC and now coach
The mentality of making it a priority to develop a running game has fallen where on the list of importance? Try somewhere around #10-20.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Oct 12, 2011 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Just how many years
does Garrett need to develop a run offense?
Some people, like myself, think he will never do it, because he isn’t good at coaching it, that’s why the Cowboys are stricken with a league worst run offense. It’s the coaches fault that is the case, make no mistake.
I said it before, and i will say it again- I question his use of the run offense, his use of the running backs, his evaluation of running backs, and his playcalling in the run game. He gats an F in every category. He needs to step aside as Offensive coordinator, and get someone here that can develop one, but I don’t think he will do that, so just watch as the Cowboys continue to be one of the worst run offenses in the NFL (pardon the pun) under his guidance, and one word totally describe his offense……average, and that’s a shame for a team that should be one of the best in the NFL.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Oct 12, 2011 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
It's year 1 of the Trinity
Let’s see how his overhaul of the O-line goes…
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
It isn't Romo's offense Blings
It’s Garrett’s, and it’s been Garrett’s for years now. Seems like I can hold Garret accountable for this, especially since he has done nothing about it. He is the creator of “Epic Fail”, and this culture was never apart of the Dallas Cowboys franchise till he came along.
And yes, even a 31 year old QB can be reined in, because Romo doesn’t call the plays, Garrett does. Do you continue to allow 4th quarter meltdowns to happen in the passing game by contnuing to call pass plays and perpetuate the culture of “Epic Fail”?
If you are a coach, you do something about it.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Oct 9, 2011 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions
But Garrett doesn't call for plays to be turnovers
Even bad plays can be turned into something less negative than what tony has turned them into.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
No, but he is the playcaller
and he does call the plays as passes, correct? i mean, what are really the chances of a fumble return for a touchdown in those situations with a lead?
Like I said Blings, he’s an idiot. He doesn’t know when to be conservative. i understand he’s aggressive with the pass offense. I understand he is cocky, and arrogant about his pass offense too. But he get’s “too cute” and a little too arrogant for his own good, and this constant expectation that he puts on Tony to complete passes at the end of the game when there is no need just ends in defeat, consistently I might add. When Garrett’s playcalling comes into question though, everyone get’s ruffled, and disputes it. All I hear is a bunch of Cowboy fan’s come to his defense, and say “well, you don’t really want to be conservative”.
Well, um, yes you do, when you have Tony Romo as your QB. The pass pressure Garrett puts on Tony forces him to try and accomplish too much, and thus come the mistakes. This comes from Garrett.
If Garrett was really interested in helping Tony Romo become a more effective QB, he would make it a priority to get the run offense at least respectable, which it is not.
The best run plays we have had all year so far where the 3 consecutive no-gain runs by Tashard, which effectively killed the clock enough against the Redskins. I thought Garrett was going to call his customary pass play, and was waiting to see Tony throw a pick and hand the game to the skins. It’s because that did not happen that we won the game.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
by DallasPalace on Oct 12, 2011 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Pass plays have checkdowns
He could use them, but doesn’t.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Romo is a great guy.
And even a great player, but I agree with you. He’s just not going to win for us. He’ll do a 3/3 TD/INT ratio in a game and then leave us saying well what the heck is he doing? We were winning the entire game! Then he ruins it. I really have nothing or no one to blame other than the passing calls that the interceptions were on. They had no business passing in those situations in the first place. Third Quarter up 24 you run the ball. Especially when your trying to keep the lead and try out some young talent like Murray.
Residing on the BEast coast.
Dallas' identity is as a passing offense
We are not and don’t intend to be the Raiders.
But I agree with you that Romo is a great guy. That has nothing to do with my assessment of his football skills.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Raiders is one extreme...
But you can run a shotgun draw on that 3rd and 2 when you have the D spread out on the 2nd INT. You can throw high percentage throws when up 24 points. You can mix up your plays instead of throwing multiple slants to the same WR/CB. I hope Garrett/Wilson/anyone (not Jerry!) reviews these play calls each game and learns from them. Like why Dez suddenly disappears in the second half.
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
It's called taking what the D gives.
It’s the heart of Garrett’s philosophy. Let the opposition take away what they choose, and beat them with what’s left. A mindset probably more suited to a game like soccer—or powder puff football—than the NFL. But after the second Bryant TD, Detroit began to put a second player around him, even when they didn’t entirely double him, so the system dictates to throw to Robinson. Yes, it really does dictate to beat the other team with your worst players, essentially, and only use your best players when the scheme puts them in a favorable matchup.
You say taking what the D
gives you is more suitable for soccer or powder puff football, yet most of the NFL teams have that same philosophy. You don’t see the QBs of most teams trying to chuck the ball 20+ yards down the field on every play. Every offense is built around taking what the defense gives them.
Jason Garrett=2011 NFL Coach of the Year
s99, yes you CAN run those plays, but have you met our interior O-line?
Run blocking is a serious work in progress. And are you sure you run that play against the Lions, whose best player lines up at DT?
Wouldn’t you prefer to draw up something that goes AWAY from their strength?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
our interior o-line has major struggles in the run game getting a push
but c’mon red has to be more diverse in the playcalling. He kept dialing up the same plays that detroit already figured out how to stop or some silly 1 route conservative din and dunk play
first off i’d recommend more I-formation to help set up play action
and more empty backfield splitting both Witten and the RB into the slot positions and maybe a design QB draw(just for the 2-3 yards)
problem with JG is that he always looks for the homerun. when sometimes all you need is a little contact here and there and work the gaps and maybe you get an error that allows you gain extra bases
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 4, 2011 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions
JG has an offensive identity
I don’t mind his aggressiveness (watch a Packers game) but I do mind not having the right people to execute his scheme.
Four games in, I am not able to say much that’s negative about the O-line.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Another thing about Romo.
I will like him until he’s not a Cowboy anymore. He’s just likable. Another reason why he’s so tough to get rid of as a fan GM.
Residing on the BEast coast.
I would Do it right now, get McGee ready during the bye week.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
Too early, but if he looks goofy against the Pats, what choice will JG have?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
sadly Kitna which would completely turn me off to the Cowboys
by Musiccitynorm on Oct 3, 2011 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he'd put McGee in
This Bye week is a couple of weeks too early IMO.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
I can see why you'd say this
In honesty we’ve seen two games from McGee and both were surprising really. How much different is he then Romo?
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
Well, he would probably want to know just what he has in McGee
…and he could only do that watching him play with the 1’s in lie fire situations.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Dang glad you aren't the coach!
All of you couch coaches and QBs need to give it a rest. Romo will not be replaced by anyone over the next couple years so start trying to comment on ways to develop what we have around him.
McGee will be #2 next year and we should Draft a Quality QB to replace Romo in 3-4 years baring injury. This is your life. LIVE WITH IT! Go Cowboys!
RexP
Rex, when would you make a move with Tony if this trend continues?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
I have seen this movie before, he is not learning to make better
Decisions. Romo can sit in front of that podium and talk about being better, but it is just talk and I am tired of seeing it over and over. Romo’s performance has left me with a feeling of indifference about how the team performs. I feel like I must be crazy to have any expectations for this year with romo as the starting QB.
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
And to think some fans say he is in the same conversation as the top QB's in the league
Right now, Ryan Fitzpatrick is a better QB than Tony Romo. He has half the weapons, half the defensive support and still, they win because he is consistent. Not flashy, he may not be able to do half of the things Tony CAN do, but he also won’t make half of the mistakes Tony WILL make.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Ryan fitzpatrick and the bills just blew a 14 point forth quarter lead to the BENGALS
so much for that argument
I also wouldnt say fitz has half as many weapons as Romo. Witten, A gimpy Dez and L Robinson arnt any better than Stevie Johnson, the leads leading rusher Fred Jackson and the cast of recivers he has in Buffalo. If Dez and Miles were healthy I would agree with you. Robinsons admitted he was at fault on that slant int. He basically stopped running the slant. I highly doubt Miles would have been that sloppy.
3-7 in the last 10 isnt a result of romo. He deserves the blame for the jets and lions game no doubt. But to lump in last year is stupid. That whole team was lost from the start of camp. And to recap- He lead them on a game winning drive against the redskins only to have alex barron screw it up. He played well the next week against chicago but had austin and witten drop passes into the bears hands. He played great in houston getting the win. He did just fine vrs the titans, but stupid celebration penalties and kick coverage lost that game. He threw a late pick against the vikes the follwing week. Ill give you that. He played great and gave the boys a lead untill he broke his collerbone the next week.
Im as dissapointed in him right now as anyone. But that doesnt mean he cant/wont be able to turn it around. Especially after what we just witnessed the past 2 weeks.
"Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk"
by sprewelllatrell on Oct 3, 2011 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions
Thanks for the voice of reason.
Suddenly Fitzpatrick is an All Pro QB after 3 games and is better than Romo. HE’S AN IVY LEAGUER!!!
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
What's wrong with being an Ivy Leaguer?
Is it better to be from Eastern Illinois?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Fitzpatrick...
had no interceptions or fumbles for the game vs. Romo and his 3 interceptions that cost the Cowboys 21 points.
He (Fitz) may not have had as many passing yards as Romo, but he also wasn’t throwing gas on the fire. I would take steady play from the qb position and let the entire team decide the outcome of the game every Sunday.
Again, sanity!
I am not in favor of a swap of Romo for Fitzy, but the guy has a head for the game. Put that head on Romo’s body and then you’ve got something.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
does Romo's head get a new body
or the Ted Williams treatment.
This requires greater thought blings.
Romo is thousand times smarter than you so does that make you dumb?? Just curious
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 3, 2011 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions
Romo's head needs to be sent to a sports science lab and studied
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
by 5Blings on Oct 3, 2011 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Or his wife
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
Cmon man..
Didn’t you win some boldest fan award on this site? Surely you’re better than this.
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
Why should that color how I see the Romo situation?
It has to be about what every fan sees.
If you see it vastly differently than I do, I want to know it…and why.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
I enjoy your posts!
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
Are people really thinking it's time to end the Romo era in Dallas?
My God, I hate Sunday losses on this blog.
Hell, some think it's time to end the Garrett era.
The idiots really come out after a loss.
Lock n Load
We need a new stadium...
Burn the damn thing down. Philly should cut Vick, rip up that contract.
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
The only way to remain a fan...
is to keep some hope alive. Faint hope, as I expect to see a repeat of Campo years, except there is enough talent to squeak out a few more wins and pile up a lot of should have ones. So like the Campo era with the game management, with the added bonus of watching those decisions piss away victories and waste talent that could actually accomplish something. You do realize, minus the Ryan factor on D, this team is 0-4 and at the heart of the Luck sweepstakes? That if it wasn’t for the fact that, for his flaw, Romo has a knack for late comebacks, even the effort of the D wouldn’t be enough to keep the team from 0-4? That the offense continues to have the same exact issues it has had for years?
Sounds like someone needs a hug...
Name calling, really? Idiots? It’s to bad that some people will sink to that instead of trying to articulate their point in a more mature manner.
Come on, DW
Revel in the disagreement. Don’t sink to that level.
Let adversity show your true character.
Unless they get REALLY stupid…then all bets are off. :-)
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Anyone who thinks firing Garrett is the answer, qualifies for being really stupid.
OOOO smell that smell...................................Lock n Load
Firing Garrett, Hmmm...
bring in an experienced coach with a good resume?
Look what doing that for the defene did. Rob Ryan seems to get the defense fired up and ready for action. What other coaches that we have are capable like that? Garrett definitely isn’t like that for the offense. I hate his bland complacent emotionless state of mind, especially after there are interceptions, and he keeps calling passes like a dummy. How many end-of game picks must be thrown before you, as a coach, react and make a decision as to what would be the best course to protect the lead, and save the game? The Cowboys, with Garrett, seem to always snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
Does that sound so stupid Wolf? Would losing Garrett would be such a bad thing? It’s definitely not like there isn’t capable coaches to do the job, and probably do a better job with Tony.
Do I think firing Garrett is the answer? i don’t know- to early to tell. I know I said I’d support him, and I think it’s early. But one thing is for sure about Garrett- He needs more experience in calling a game, and he manages the clock badly, and he misses throwing challenges. He still seems to need to learn how to keep a lead, and play more conservative. A good coach adjusts his gameplan to the opponent, and the ever changing game situations, to persevere and be victorious.
"Amongst the enemy's Lair, there will always be a DallasPalace!"
Mike McCarthy was in a similar situation when he was made HC in GB
That seems to have turned out okay.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Here's what I don't understand Bling
NFL players are professionals in what they do. Not one of them is perfect and should not be assumed that they are, we live our lives learning every day from the moment we are born until the moment we die. But these men get paid a decent sum of money and like everyone else they have to make decisions. Are we at the point where we can’t trust that our QB will throw to someone who is covered closely because the guys a playmaker or is downfield over someone whos only 6-7 yards deep but is open? If he chooses the former should he accept all the glory/failures that come with the decision?
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
I think it's a fair question, but it may not be the right one
All QB’s have to deal with risks and rewards, and when you’re down to your last play trying to win a game, if you roll out, buy time and try to hit a WR downfield to help overcome unfavorable down and distance caused by O-line penalties, no one should fault him if he gets intercepted. He’s in a situation where taking the risk makes perfect sense. I see the last INT in the NYG playoff game that way and cannot hold him accountable for that play IN THAT SITUATION.
However, if you’re in a position to let your defense continue to stifle your opponent and keep the other team’s offense pinned deep at their end of the field, then throwing high-risk passes into tight spaces IN THAT SITUATION probably is something that he has to bear the full accountability for.
In that sense, I expect rookies to completely lack the situational awareness needed to excel, but as you say, I also expect them to learn and grow over time, in a way that helps them exercise restraint when appropriate.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Wit Romo as a QB, you've seen 7 of the last 10 end up that way
…and still you deny what stares you in the face.
It walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…why do you continue to insist it is a hippo?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Lest we forget
Wade’s defense last year was awful and were as much or more responsible for losses than Romo in his starts.
My point is
that you are blaming Romo for this won lost record over the last 10 games he started. I argue that he didn’t lost most of those games all by himself. Did he screw up royally at times in those games? Yes. Did Wade’s defense blow chunks last year? YES. So there is plenty of blame to go around for the 3-7 record in Tony’s last 10 starts, not all of it should land on Tony.
by E Schweigert on Oct 3, 2011 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions
Fair point
But the QB position has an associated stat of wins and losses.
It is what it is. He is what his record is.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
That Kitna lead team went 5-3
After the bye. D was still bad but did do better. Defense is doing much better this year. Last week it was not only Romo’s injury but also the receiving corps. They were lost. This week same guys but much better job.
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
hahahhahahahahahahahah
i am…. who i thought……. i was ! muwahahahahahaha my head spins,, the desire to spit something green is overwhelming , my eyeballs bounce left to right like they were following a beat. My screams muffled by a clowns laughter that only i could hear……… and yet;
there i was sitting in front of the tube moments earlier, watching romo walking up to the center; he starts his cadence , at that very moment i see this darkness begin to form behind him im taken for a moment and rub my eyes, there this blackness begins to form as it moves ever closer to our beloved Romo.
i stand up wondering why cant anyone see this, this horror that is , at that moment it engulfs Romo my heart pounds i scream at Romo " look behind you " turn around! too late the transformation has begun, in my horror Romo turns his head and looks right at me, his eyes turn smoke gray his lips never move but from them a laughter, sinister in its attempt to beguile me, my heart races as i watch him slowly turn and continue his cadence. i had to tell someone, i got up ran to the phone but the line was dead; then i turned and ran outside to one neighbors house to another, to no avail for none were home. Dark clouds began to roll over , a loud clap" thinking this cannot be real" i run back inside, turn my comp on only to see a flashing picture of Romo telling me its ok …we will get em next week………….
for a brief moment as i starred, frozen, spellbound, a feeling of grossness rising from the pit of my stomach….a expanding of my cheeks and a slight belch…. a dribble of green slips from my lips and down my chin ; i turn my eyes void of all color, blank, empty darkness, my lips sewn shut………….
deep with in, the screams fought to be heard , but clearly the sounds.. of a clown !
woman !, don't try to understand em, don't try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
(redskins)= A Tale of 2 owners, bought by Snyder, OWNED by the COWBOYS !
Those who do not learn from history are destined to repeat it...
Romo is a broken record….good bad good bad good bad..etc.etc.etc
I would settle for a consistent QB over one who is Awesome one minute and killing you the next. I.E. Favre…played forever 1 SB…The guy we have gets us excited and the lets us down…kind of like a bad hooker. And I bet we are all paying for it with a bad case of blue ba**s and heartburn.
At least I am not a Yankees fan...
by UTexan on Oct 2, 2011 8:56 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
What's weird is...
… someone not seeing “good bad good bad good bad…” is consistent. Two someone’s in a row.
Cry 'Havoc!'
that buffalo game in 2007 warned us..
But we brush it off..
by lostar2009 on Oct 2, 2011 9:00 PM CDT via mobile reply actions
Give credit to the defense man
and to special teams for a successful onsides kick.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
yup...
But mostly Folk leg.. the guy kick two 50 yarders and they tried to ice him.. a sweet memory..
But most fans forget bc we won…the same would have happen here if Dallas won..they wud have forgot the 3 turnovers by Romo..
But still fans are trying to point the blame else where .. I can’t believe this mess..
by lostar2009 on Oct 3, 2011 12:55 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
lostar 2009....
Romo had 5 interceptions and a fumble in the Monday night Bills game. Here is a link to a write up of the game.
no i was talking about the lions game..
If the D would have bail him everyone wud have been like o we won Romo will get better..
This time Romo didn’t make bail ..no one was able to bail him out..
by lostar2009 on Oct 3, 2011 7:01 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Apparently every offense gives up points
Its all the defenses fault.
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
Romo deserves credit for the win and blame for putting us in that situation to begin with
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Funny I thought about that game too today...
Buffalo was just so bad to take advantage of all those comedy of errors.
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
I'm like most fans
I want better decision making from Romo. I’m starting to think that we won’t get it. The roller coaster will go on forever. But what’s the alternative?? I don’t see any. I don’t think that Kitna or McGhee will give us any better play for the most part. I don’t see any FA QB’s that will be available or better than Romo. I haven’t watched much college FB this year but I have no faith in any draft prospect to even eventually be as good as Romo except for Luck who I think is the real deal. I think Luck is the best QB prospect I’ve seen coming out in a long time. If we don’t have a chance at him then I don’t see anyone else that can come in and play at a high level for us.
You can do a lot of things in life. You can't stab a teammate with a pair of scissors. - Kevin Smith
Every year, there is a new crop of QB's out there
The question is whether the situation is dire enough to go spend a top pick on one of them and take a shot?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
If you're talking about the draft...
You don’t need to burn a high draft pick on one unless scouting thinks the guy could eventually start (Quincy Carter!). Man, can Jon Daniels and Co. Take over talent evaluation for this team?
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
Dire or not
Kitna’s status post-2011, contract notwithstanding, McGee’s development, what the QB class looks like, what our draft positioning turns out to be,…
Cry 'Havoc!'
Luck isn't going to be as good as Romo...
Luck is going to be better.
"[Sean] Lee has more value now...than our entire 2010 draft"--- An Eagles' fan.
Can't wait for the December tanking this year...
From at least a handful of teams for the Luck sweepstakes!
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
The time has come!
100% agree with you Blings, the time has come to find his replacement. We have to ride him out until we do, but that time has come. Find the next Rodgers even while riding Farve as far as he will take us. He is what he is and will never be anything more. He has topped out. He did not even reach the level of Danny White who went to 3 NFC championships. I have mentally moved on from believing in him to be the next great Dallas Cowboys QB. Unfortunately, I don’t think his replacement is on the roster either.
So you would vote for spending a top pick on a guy like Landry Jones or Nick Foles or Ryan Tannehill?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Set up a poll...
Luck, Palmer, Someone else from college or someone else on another team…
At least I am not a Yankees fan...
Please don't mention Luck and the Cowboys together.
No chance.
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
I am not implying we can get him....I am just wondering what people want...
At least I am not a Yankees fan...
I wish
But it’s never gonna happen, if Jerry gives up on Romo I’m sure he’s gonna think McGee is the magical solution. sigh
A Good Safety - Will I never see you in a Cowboys uniform? Stop the bleeding Jerruh.
He just might, SD, but it's about what JG thinks...
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
well i certainly wouldnt go to the brothel with a new shipment of virgins
after everyone else on the block has already made a visit
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 4, 2011 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions
yes
I just put up my first post on the subject and at BTB called “A story of a gunslinger”. Read it and you will understand how I truly feel about it.
Trade Romo for Aaron Rodgers
If you can.
Trade him for the first pick in next years draft if you can
if you can.
You win the Super Bowl by drafting the best available player.
Just the way it is
I agree with your comment re: Reverence of Romo.
Maybe it’s because he’s a Cowboy people hype him and his pretty numbers, but the truth is there is only one stat that matters and that’s the W. And like you said, he’s 3-7 in his last ten games.
There is no point in arguing Romo with some people on this board because they are perfectly happy to stick a square peg into a round hole. Romo may be a good QB and he may even be a great QB (though I don’t think so) but Romo is not right for this team.
This team has to win DESPITE Romo and it doesn’t have the talent on the defensive side of the ball to do that. If you traded Romo to a team like the Ravens, he could probably win more because they have a consistent defense that is often great.
Simply put, Romo costs Dallas games. While he may win some, I think the team has to look for an option that at a minimum doesn’t lose games singlehandedly. For reference, look at the last few years of season-ending games with Romo from another post I made with help from Wikipedia.
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All you have to do is look at his Wikipedia entry chronicling his season ending or other important games:
2006
On January 6, 2007, the Dallas Cowboys traveled to Qwest Field to play the Seattle Seahawks in the NFC wild card playoff round. With the Cowboys down 21-20 and 1:19 left on the clock, Dallas attempted a 19-yard field goal. Romo botched the hold for the kicker by dropping the snap as he attempted to set it down.
2007
In the Cowboys’ January 13, 2008 Division playoff game against the New York Giants, Romo was unable to lead his team to a come-from-behind victory. On 4th down with less than half a minute and no timeouts left, Romo threw the ball into the endzone, but it was intercepted by Giants cornerback R. W. McQuarters, ensuring that the Cowboys were eliminated from the playoffs with a 21–17 loss.
2008
In what became a de facto third playoff game for Romo shortly prior to its start, on December 28, 2008, Romo and the Cowboys failed to compete against the Philadelphia Eagles in a 44–6 loss.18 Romo committed three turnovers in the game and went 21/39 for 183 yards and no touchdowns.19 The loss dropped Romo’s combined record in December to 5–8 and again raised questions concerning Romo’s performance in games of consequence.20
2009
After ONE playoff win:
However the following week in the NFC divisional rounds against the number two seed Minnesota Vikings, Romo had three fumbles (losing two), an interception and was sacked six times in the 34-3 loss.
2010
In Week 5 against the Tennessee Titans, Romo threw for a career high 406 yards and three touchdowns. However, he threw two costly interceptions in the 4th quarter, resulting in 34-27 loss at Cowboys Stadium. Romo and the Cowboys were desperate for a win with a record of 1-3 and last in the division. They played against the Minnesota Vikings, who also had a 1-3 record and were in need of a win. Romo threw for over 200 yards and 3 TDs but also threw 2 costly interceptions. The Cowboys went on the lose the game by a score of 24-21.
2011
Jets game / Lions game.
now i wud not put the playoff vikings game on Romo..
That was on the coaching staffs puting rushing columbo out there.. he beat like a drum..
Man pathetic..
by lostar2009 on Oct 3, 2011 1:02 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
You can nitpick details all you want
But the fact of the matte is there’s a clear recurring theme here – Romo choking, anyone who doesn’t accept that fact is in denial.
Giants and Eagles loss were not really all his fault...
Team underachieved.
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
tru but Romo did choke up at moments..
And on a long 4th and long with 30 secs left romo go for a TD that is pic instead of the first down…
by lostar2009 on Oct 3, 2011 7:05 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions
I am surprised how so many things are being overlooked.
Romo did not see Carpenter and threw an interception. Tony also made a bad throw to Witten that was intercepted.
That will happen again. That happens to all quarterbacks. Peyton Manning threw two pick 6’s against the Cowboys last season and lost the game. Brady threw five interceptions last week.
But look what else happened:
Laurnet Robinson looked good, but did not get inside the cornerback on the slant that was intercepted and taken back for a touchdown.
Sensabaugh was playing very well until Anthony Spencer gave him a concussion. The pass defense fell apart after that.
Give credit to the Lions also. Detroit changed their offense in the fourth quarter and scored two touchdowns.
This edition of the Cowboys has little to no depth. Sensabaugh goes out and suddenly Pettigrew goes off. Austin is out and Ogletree continues to catch one pass and run out of bounds before catching a touchdown in every game. If not for Robinson stepping up, this game is not close.
What happened to the pass rush? Zero sacks on a team that gave up three to Jared Allen last week?
If people want to criticize the offensive play calling, how about sending just three on defense and permitting Calvin Johnson to post-up and catch a lob from Stafford?
Romo was a big reason the Cowboys lost, but he was hardly the only reason. This team lacks depth, and at the moment has 8-8 talent playing at a level that will lead to a 8-8 season. If the team improves, and Romo along with it, then this team will be in the playoffs.
Before I condemn Romo for another bad game, I would like to see how he plays when he has a good, experienced offensive line, depth everywhere, a defense that consistently plays well, and good special teams play. Dallas is close, but Dez Bryant, Nagy, Tyron Smith, and Costa will be better later this season (hopefully) or next season.
by ScarletO on Oct 2, 2011 11:46 PM CDT reply actions 3 recs
You make a good point
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
get lost guy with this Romo excuse hand book..Romo is finish here.
I don’t want to see another post aikman era..
by lostar2009 on Oct 3, 2011 1:05 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
Lynch mob's riled
And you know what happens to the voice of reason in times of bloodlust.
Cry 'Havoc!'
omg finally some voice of reason
Thanks man. the best part is I love these random posters that you only see during a lost.
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player
SO, you know I cherish your candor and input
So, thanks for reading and commenting.
The counterpoint I would make is that Dallas has taken huge steps on Special teams, on Defense and in rebuilding the O-line to make this team better.
What I continue to see is that in our big losses, Romo is, generally speaking, the other team’s best player.
Stafford didn’t beat us. Calvin Johnson didn’t beat us. Ndamakong Suh didn’t beat us.
Once again, Romo was the winning team’s MVP.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"

Romo MVP comment sounds like Schwatrz’s 3rd best receiver shot:
“I am just glad that the third best receiver on (the Cowboys) is on our team,” Lions coach Jim Schwartz sarcastically said to open his post game
btw, please, by all that’s Wholly holy, can this Teddy-Ruxpin farce of a mascot.
Cry 'Havoc!'
Lol. TeddyRuxpin. That really is sad.
We miss you Crazy Ray.
"You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a 2x4." -- Dan Birdwell, Oakland Raiders
RR1 = RedRocket / RR2 = RobRyan
RR3 = Ready for Retirement(JerryJones) / rr = rabblerouser
In 2010, the Cowboys registered their 2nd win of the season in week 10.
In 2011, Dallas is 2-2 after four weeks. The improvement is there, but this team still lacks flexibility.
When Sensabaugh went out, Detroit began moving the ball. Stafford went 11-19 143 1TD (QB rating of 99.2 – compared to a quarterback rating of 36.3 while Sensabaugh was in the game) after Gerald left with a concussion. Not one player could step in and take Sensabaugh’s place.
Given Stafford’s 99.2 passer rating, I disagree that the Detroit quarterback did not win the game. Pettigrew’s (3-44) and Johnson’s (5-58 2TD’s) numbers also spiked after Sensabaugh’s injury; and there was not one player that could take his place? Gerald Sensabaugh? Really?
When Dallas took a big lead they had 16 rushing attempts for 67 yards (a 4.19 ypc average). Dallas had 11 more carries for 46 yards (a 4.18 ypc average) at 27-3.
The 11 carries went as follows:
Gains of 7, 6, 4, 7, 1, 1, 6, 2, 5, 1, 1
The Cowboys gained 17 yards on the final 7 carries of the game (a 2,43 ypc average). This offense is as one-dimensional as I have ever seen in Dallas. Instead of putting all of the pressure on Romo to pass all the time, a successful running game would help Romo out a great deal.
Dez needs to mature and contribute throughout an entire game, let alone have a great fourth quarter (ala Drew Pearson and Michael Irvin). Costa, Nagy, and Tyron Smith are improving, but their development may not approach its peak for another 2-3 years. By then, Dallas may be able to run the ball into the end zone upon reaching a 1st and goal situation.
Romo is more the solution than the problem. I would like to see Romo not have to carry this team like Elway had to carry the Broncos before Terrell Davis came along. When Garrett can grind out several first downs on the ground, I suspect Romo will become the championship quarterback everybody wants here in Dallas.
Well, we agree here...
I would like to see Romo not have to carry this team like Elway had to carry the Broncos before Terrell Davis came along.
…but the NFL today has a thinness about it. Most teams lack depth at key positions and I think you could make a case for Sensei being out being the defensive catalyst, but the point has to me made that Dallas should never have been in that situation. If Romo makes 2 DIFFERENT choices and displays a situational awareness heretofore unseen, I wonder if Stafford is in a position to even contest the outcome?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
As Bryan Broaddus on ESPN radio has noted as a former scout...
When a player exhibits a behavior once, you expect to see it again. In 2009, Romo had 10 games without throwing an interception (including the post season). In all, Romo has played in 70 games in his career (started 69) and has had 24 games where he has not thrown an interception.
Oddly enough, Dallas has won 17 of those games (.708 winning ratio), and lost 7. I expected that number to be more significantly weighted towards wins.
Romo has 32 games where he has thrown one interception. His winning ratio is actually better (.719) in games where he throws one interception, as the Cowboys have won 23 and lost 9.
Where the Cowboys lose consistently is when Tony throws two or more interceptions. Romo has had 7 games where he threw two interceptions, and the Cowboys have only won one of those.
Every season since Romo has started, Tony has had one 3 interception game per season. Dallas is 0-6 in those games. The latest obviously happened Sunday against the Lions.
Besides the Buffalo game (where Romo threw 5 interceptions and Dallas still won), Romo is 1-12 in games where he throws two interceptions or more. Romo averages about two games per season where he throws 2 interceptions or more.
That means he will probably have one game where he throws 2 interceptions this season. It will probably result in a loss, and everyone will want him cut, question his decision making, and decide that he cannot win a Super Bowl.
Considering that only 32 quarterbacks in NFL history have won a Super Bowl, the latter seems a pretty safe bet.
Let's not equate Romo's bad decisions with Super Bowls because the TEAM hasn't yet been good enough to make that argument hold water
…although you could make a case for the 2007 iteration.
So, have you also looked at fumbles? I wonder how many times Dallas has won when Romo has lost a fumble in a game?
The problem we’re faced with in Dallas is that the faovrite sons (Staubach and Aikman) were known as superior leaders, demanding of their teammates and generally tough SOB’s. But what sets them apart is how they performed in critical situations in big games. I hate referencing Skip Bayless, but both had that “clutch gene”.
Romo has not shown himself to be all that durable, has not made the best decisions in those big game, critical moments, had his leadership questioned and, worst of all, is known more for collapses than any big-game heroics. He’s the antithesis of clutch and while that could change completely over the course of a single season (which we all hope and pray for), he is what he is until he isn’t.
It’s my belief that his lack of discipline and situtional awareness are qualities that, and I am trying to pick my words carefully here, ‘offend the sensibilities’ of fans who witnessed Roger and Troy do their thing. They (we) want a team on the field that represents who we are. While he may be a fan favorite of the Madden 20XX/Fantasy Football generation, Tony has not demonstrated those traits, thus far, that ingratiate him with the more “senior” fan base.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
oh man dont even bring up fumbles
because before 2009 he used to fumble a ton and i think thats why he declines to run around as much
remember how easy it used to be to slap the ball out his hand whether it be in the pocket or scrambling. well i guess it still is easy but he makes it looks like he’s trying to protect the ball(sorry i’ve seen too many QB’s this year already scramble or score rush td’s that got decked and did not fumble)
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 4, 2011 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions
Romo is most certainly to blame for this loss and the Jets loss, and the Steelers loss, and the Giants 09 home opener loss.
That’s now 4 games I clearly recall he cost us the game. I’m a huge Romo fan, but I too am getting sick of this as a fan. Dude’s been a starter since mid-2006, and now 5 years later, he’s basically the same guy he was then, only he wears the C on his chest now.
I wouldn’t get rid of him. What I would do, is start developing the running game to close games where we have leads in the second half so we can prevent these choke jobs from happening. What was the formula for winning when we had the Triplets? Throw early to get a lead, and run Emmitt down their throats to ice the game.
We need a RB to allow us to shorten the game once we get up say 27-3 with 10 min to go in the 3rd quarter. The 1990s Cowboys would win these Romo tank job games 10 times out of 10.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Nice post...
I was at that Giants debacle. Hopefully he will learn like he did the rest of that ’09 year.
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
That would help
But to win a superbowl eventually you’re going to have to perform in the clutch, and Romo simply can’t do it. He needs to be traded as soon as he has a good game and his stock is high.
Nice post. I think our running game has more to do with the OL than the RB’s though. I’m ready to start building this team around a total idiot at QB. Let’s build the defense and the running game, and take as much pressure of the QB position as possible. We’ve already got some great receivers, so when need be, we can make plays in the passing game regardless. It’ll limit Romo’s ineptitude, and make for an easier transition with a new QB.
by Useful_Idiot_ on Oct 3, 2011 4:07 AM CDT up reply actions
It is Blings.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
So was this the straw that broke the proverbial camel's back?
You were counted among his staunchest of supporters.
Say more about why, and what you think happens going forward.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
well
This was the straw that broke the camels back. It happened on that 3rd interception. I was willing to write off interception #2 because that’s on the wide receiver, I still have the game on DVR, and replayed it. Laurent Robinson didn’t run that route the way it’s expected to be run.
However, interception #3 was very inexcusable. He went Brett Favre and threw off his back foot, and threw caution to the wind while making the correct read. It’s mind boggling. You have the play you want, don’t go back foot and throw without much arc on the ball to Witten in that spot. You have to get it to Witten’s back shoulder, LEAD THE RECEIVER, or as they say now THROW HIM OPEN. Romo threw it front shoulder and the rest is history.
Hell, he didn’t even need to throw in that situation, and for that matter, he didn’t need to throw the ball on any of those three picks. WE HAD THE LEAD. It’s his 6th season as the starter, his situational awareness needs the improvement.
Going forward here’s what I would do. I’d look for a RB that can be our closer, that way when we have 4th quarter leads we can kill off any chance of the comeback. All championship teams have their back that closes out games. Whether we need to trade for a back, sign one in free agency (Matt Forte would be a welcomed addition), or draft a good one this year (Trent Richardson and Doug Martin come to mind) or develop Murray now by rolling with him. Something needs to be done.
The most important question needs to be addressed by the offense as a unit with Garrett as it’s architect. What’s their strategy for closing games out when the team has a big lead in the second half? Running the ball and shortening the game should be focus at that point, because the chains and the clock are both moving.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
A M E N ........
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I've seen OCC and FiTat refute the idea that running the ball is the way to go in today's NFL
It seems JG agrees with them because Dallas has not even attempted to get a close-out guy on the roster.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Furthermore, will Jerry Jones please for the love of God do two things
1) SHUT UP. JUST SHUT UP. In 2007, when Eli was losing games for the Giants, their front office openly questioned whether or not they could win with him. As a result, he stepped his game up and became a reason why the Giants went on that magical run to win the Super Bowl. I seriously believe Romo needs someone in this organization (whether it’s Garrett or JJ) to just once publicly say “our QB needs to stop being the reason we come up short.” This is what is needed. What isn’t needed is bs comments after a Romo tank job where JJ says “I believe in Romo, he’s going to be our QB, he’s going to win games for us.” These typical JJ comments about Romo would be fine if it was 2006, 2007, or even 2008.
2) Please find us a RB that can end any questions of opponents coming back on us. We’ve tried this RB by committee BS and it hasn’t worked. We’ve been looking, and looking, and looking for the next feature back of the Cowboys since Emmitt went on to play in Arizona. We passed on Steven Jackson, how’s that worked out? We passed on Chris Johnson. How you liking Felix the fragile back now? We can’t ice games with this pile of crap unit called the Dallas Cowboys RBs. Maybe Murray can be that guy, but if he can be, then lets play him. But I’m done with seeing Tashard Choice and Felix Jones tease us to death. They too can’t be trusted to do their jobs week in and week out.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Hopefully Felix heals during the bye week...
And Choice gets his mojo back. He looked better today. Is everyone seeing what I’m seeing, that Murray dances to much instead of hitting the hole?
"He’s the boomstick, you know what I mean?" -Ian Kinsler
Yes, Felix is a bust at RB just like Julius Jones and Marion Barber were.
I’m sick of ignoring the biggest problem with this offense: they need a franchise RB. We need to be able to rely on a RB week in and week out to pound teams into submission after building up a lead on them.
I’m also sick of Tashard Choice. This experiment with him and Felix has failed. Neither of them will ever be stars in this league, and neither of them can be counted on.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
by Rohpuri on Oct 3, 2011 11:44 AM CDT via mobile up reply actions
How many franchise backs are even in this league?
Chris Johnson, the guy who looked unstoppable two years ago, is all of a sudden containable. Adrian Peterson is still great, but look at what that has meant for Minnesota. This “franchise back” idea is almost extinct in the NFL despite what Merrill Hoge would lead you to believe. Defensive players are faster and more explosive than ever and it has made the running game more difficult than ever. Twenty years ago there were rarely LBers that could run with RBs. Now we see that with regularity. Evolve your thinking because the league definitely is.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Tony is what he is. It's not gonna change. To expect otherwise is foolish.
Now what?
I see ppl ask for a different kind of running game. Also not gonna happen. Garrett is who he is also. He doesnt believe in it, didnt draft for it, & isnt gonna call for it. He wants to pass the ball. Period.
So Jason has a problem. What to do with your man/child QB, who repeatedly snatches defeat from the jaws of victory, on a team where accountability is supposed to be the order of the day?
How can Tony scream at receivers & call them stupid on nat’l TV & then crap the bed like this in 4th qtrs. Should Rob come out onto the field screaming “stupid” at him while pointing to his head?
I think today was strike 2 for Tony. And strike 3 is as inevitable as death, & probably as unpredictable. When will Tony get benched?
Maybe we should start an office….er blog pool on it.
And yes, it is time to draft a QB in rds 1,2 or 3. Past time actually.
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I attended the 49ers game this year
And there’s a reason 49er fans were calling for Romo to come back in the game.
I think the point is that Romo is the best QB in the league at making a game close
It doesn’t matter whether you’re winning by a bunch or losing by a bunch.
He’ll find a way to make the game close.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
jstaubach, good point about accountability
If your qb throws 3 interceptions within an 11 pass attempt segment of the game what is Garrett going to do about it? Where is the accountability?
Romo is fun to watch when he is on his game, but he is like a traffic accident you can’t look away from when he is off his game.
He lost 2, he won 2. How about we get some skill players sans fragility? I truly believe had Austin played today they would have won. Hell if Hurd was still in Dallas they would have won.
Dude, when do you stop surrounding Romo with the craziest amounts of talent to make up for his ineptitude? Does Detroit have a Dez and Miles? And Witten? And Felix? Do the Jets? Do the niners? At some point you’ve got to stop. It’s like making excuses for our QB. Let’s get 1st round picks and pro bowlers at ever skill positions on offense, so Romo can not F up half the games he plays in… Come on man, you gotta call the kettle black here. The problem’s not the skill positions, we just need a halfway reliable QB.
by Useful_Idiot_ on Oct 3, 2011 4:12 AM CDT up reply actions
He had pretty good protection yesterday
Picks were not a result of pressure. Picks were a result of Romo.
Romo is thousand times smarter than you so does that make you dumb?? Just curious
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 3, 2011 8:46 AM CDT up reply actions
very correct
If the pass rush isn’t in his face, he steps into the throw and comepletes the pass and we more than likely win the game
In Romo we Trust
Terry, normally I agree with you. But on that third pick he should have stepped to the side and then thrown or he should have just taken a sack or thrown the ball away.
He tried to be Brett Favre on that play and it burned the team.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
He doesn't have that kind of arm
He’s not 6’5", 240.
He has to play like Brees and create space to step into a throw.
One offseason he talked about learning to throw the ball from different arm angles. Another time, he said he wanted to learn to stand tall in the pocket like Tom Brady.
Not once has he tried to learn crunch-time decision making.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
fair point
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
however, I disagree about his arm strength, I think it's plenty good.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
forced a throw on first down of his back foot
that was his worst decision of the day.
Romo is thousand times smarter than you so does that make you dumb?? Just curious
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 3, 2011 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Yup, his footwork is sloppy when the game is close
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
he did pattern his game after Brett Favre. Favre didn't have the greatest footwork either.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
It's not just the footwork
Oh, sorry, not “close”, “near-blowout”
You differentiating between “close” as in back-and-forth close and they-came-from-way-behind close and we’ve-almost-caught-up close?
Cry 'Havoc!'
Not making excuses for him at all. The “crazy talent” on Dallas? Dez runs out of gas when crunch time starts, Miles is out, Witten is playing on sheer sack size, Felix can run fast sure, right into a defender and get tackled he isnt Emmit Smith and doesnt touch the ball 25 times a game.
So yes he screwed the pooch, trying to make throws other qbs wouldnt, its the same kind of throws with a healthy Miles and Witten and Romo that score touchdowns. Robinson has only had two 100 yd receiving games in a 5 yr career, Felix has one 100 yd game rushing this year and maximum has had 17 carries in a game. Dez cant stay healthy or in game shape, oh when he is on he is on, just like Alvin Harper was but wait oh yeah Harper’s success relied on having Irvin, just as Dez’s relies on Miles.
Had Kitna stayed in the 49ers game and started the ’Skins game, the team would be 1-3 at best. Kitna has the brain but Romo has the skill set. So until someone here has a viable, REALISTIC option of a different qb that will produce results, I am sticking with not defending Romo. And if i am going to be fair and call him out on games he loses, i expect for a Cowboys fan to do the same when he wins games. To garner and look at all the facts of a game, and quit thinking they are some GM extraordinaire with cockamamie ideas like “trade for Rodgers” or “Start Kitna”. Develop the running game otherwise your qb has to throw 35+ times in a game.
Well, that was quite a rant
But this I agree with;
And if i am going to be fair and call him out on games he loses, i expect for a Cowboys fan to do the same when he wins games.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Blings , you of all people to do this post : (
ok then , Romo is’nt the answer anymore ( you suggest?) , if this is the case then blow up the roster. trade Ware – Witten – Miles and Romo, get draft picks to enable a trade up to a high 1st and pick the next franchise QB.
wait till he develops 2 to 3 years? but don’t expect a winning record , even Aikman took time to develop.
We have shown so far that we can play with any team , we have to develop a winning mentality . that’s on the Coaching and playing side.
Romo still gives us the best chance to beat any team in the league . no realistic alternative unless you seriously want to blow it up and start from scratch.
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Overboard
We don’t have to trade Ware and Witten and blow up the whole roster dude. Romo’s a free agent in 2013. He’s the guy until then. Let’s get somebody in here to take over when his contract’s up. I don’t think that’s unreasonable. Let’s draft somebody, let’s figure out if McGee’s the guy, let’s do something. We don’t have to ditch the entire roster to make a change at QB.
by Useful_Idiot_ on Oct 3, 2011 4:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Not overboard, to get a top pick ( 5 or up) we need to trade.
i don’t want to do this but if we did give up on Romo then we would have to blow it up,there’s no bigger trade bait on the roster to accomplish that.
therefore i say stick with Romo for the next 2 years.
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by scotscowboyfan on Oct 3, 2011 4:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Then 2-2, and by extension, 8-8 might be our fate...
which makes us interminably mediocre, with little chance to find impact players at the top of the draft.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
We have to tank games in order to get us a legit QB prospect. We're kidding ourselves if we can find another diamond in the rough QB.
McGee WILL NEVER BE THE QB OF THE FUTURE. Let’s get that through our thick heads once and for all. He’s limited as a player. He’s a developmental 3rd QB like most QB#3s are. If he was any good they would’ve gotten rid of Kitna.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
EXCUSE ME?!
We have to tank games…
Please tell me I misunderstood you. Are you advocating throwing games?
Cry 'Havoc!'
No, I'm just saying if we want to get a legit QB prospect that will the QB of the future.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Do you want to get a legit QB prospect that will the QB of the future?
Given the conditions you put forth.
Cry 'Havoc!'
how can he keep faith with that? can you blame him?
We can’t even trust our QB with a 24 point lead, and what a 17 point lead against the Jets?
the guy gives away games
it’s time for this fan base to wake up, wake up smell the starbucks
Romo is a QB who plays great but makes 2-3 moronic decisions a game that cost his team the game
that is just how it is now, QB talk should be going on right now, heads should be talking about Tannenhill and Jones, I can’t blame them or say their hating, its just real talk dude
you cannot keep making those throws, if you do then your going to get run out of this league no matter how good you are those 30 other plays, 3 plays of slop throws it all away
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 3, 2011 4:27 AM CDT up reply actions
Same points as above Chia, no viable alternative to Romo on the roster.
so it needs a high pick , trading is only way to get that pick imo.
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by scotscowboyfan on Oct 3, 2011 4:59 AM CDT up reply actions
yup is was only romo blowing those leads
if the defense doesn’t let stafford have all day in the pocket by rushing three and then let a double covered CJ catch the td. Or the D also gave up a fg oh and then the D gets a holding penatly a new fresh set of downs and lets CJ catch another TD.. so we are up to 17 points so far.
But hey your right its all Romo.
We are 2-2 you guys act like we are 0-167 with Romo. Wanna know something it is still possible we can go 14-2, omgosh!
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The defense allowed 20 points
And that is with Romo giving them some short fields in the second half.
Shouldn’t we expect a win if the opponent can only score 20?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Teams with big leads give up big yardage and points in the 4th quarter all the time
Let me introduce you to the prevent defense.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Really?
You think he’s the only one who does that?
Come on bigham.
It’s 27-3 and the Cowboys defense is dominating. There’s only one way for Detroit to get back into the game with any confidence and that is if you HAND it to them on stupid turnovers.
Ryan didn’t do that, did he?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
30-17
rushing three, no sacks…
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3 picks 21 points scored off them
sorry i dont know one team that can survive a QB figuratively giving the opposition 3 TDS. The ravens defense would have struggled and QB’s like brady and rodgers——-wait they would never continue to make silly throws like that late in the game, it would take a remarkable defensive effort to get them to screw up again with the game on the line
oh yeah it is the defense fault. did you see how slow the 11, sorry romo, the 10 guys were on those pick sixes? I mean c’mon you’re on defense. where’s your speed and pursuit angles? What did the coaches do with those guys in training camp? Teach them offense and how to preserve leads?
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 4, 2011 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions
If it had happened in reverse
We’d be calling Stafford a scrub, not blaming it on their D.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
We derided Winnie for blitzing on every down
Sometimes you have to play coverage schemes.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
the luck of this team atm doesnthold water to the thought of 14-2
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My only gripe with this defense is the corners always playing off coverage. Do Cowboys corners ever play man to man bump and run or press coverage? NO!
Maybe they do, but I watch every game, and I always see Jenkins and Newman playing off a guy. Why? You’ll consistently get beat by WRs if you give them the cushion to run their routes.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Newman should be able to
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
With his gimpy groin?
I don’t think so.
He’s giving up 10-yard cushions and he’s really lost a step.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
not only that but he's weak and undersized
mega would have destroyed him every time they tried to bump and run. or we would be like the raiders and get flagged for PI and holding and illegal contact every other play(because they love press coverage)
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 4, 2011 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions
The feeling
Tell me the truth, bud.
After he threw that first pick six and we lost the 24-point lead, didn’t you, somewhere deep down inside, say to yourself, “oh no, not like this, it can’t happen” and yet have that feeling that the Romistakes would start to mount and cost us the game?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
I'm not going to lie, I did.
The effed up part, my buddy texted me after Dallas went up 27-3 saying “Congrats. Same old Lions, anything from Michigan sucks, and this proves our theory (never bet on teams from Michigan and Ohio to win a championship, unless we’re talking Pistons and Redwings).” My response to him “It’s not over dude, Detroit is the master of the comeback win this year.” 3 plays later Romo throws the first pick 6 and the flood gates opened.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
In any game, Romo gives me hope
…but also, gives me anxiety.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
I have some meds for that
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
I feel the same way
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
I'll admit
Thats exactly what I thought. I also added “neah not with the bunch, it won’t happen”. I was surprised as anyone else at the end of the game.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
I think it's more about the "window", scf
I find it interesting that guys like Ware, Witten and Austin are at their athletic peaks and it’s not like Dallas has proven it can draft well or even with any consistency (I’ll spare you the links to my post-draft rants).
So, it’s my opinion that Dallas’ window of opportunity with this core group, largely assembled during Tuna’s reign, is likely to close unless dallas finds a way to get a signal caller in here that will help them elevate their OVERALL play on offense.
The other option, as you say, is to overhaul the offensive mindset and get some O-linemen and a bell-cow running back in order to make this a run-first offense. I think the latter is highly unlikely given where JG wants to take that unit.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
hi ya chia hehehearly mornin...
cant sllep been up all night (
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I havent slept yet
too mad to sleep right now dude
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 3, 2011 4:38 AM CDT up reply actions
well if thats the case you need a new hobby
seriously, get some help
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I’m not quite so sold on the OL, and I think we have more negatives than just number 9. Costa scared the F out of me last week, and I’ve seen Nagy whiff on more than one open field block, from preseason all the way through this week, which is not a good sign for this new zone blocking scheme. Even Tyron got bowled over once or twice this week. Free seems to have regressed somehow, and Kosier hasn’t exactly been an anchor of the line either. I think there’s plenty of question marks there, and I wouldn’t get overly excited about their performance.
Run blocking wise, they are awful. We have NO push in short yardage, and we have no holes opening up for our backs in the middle. Which might be ok if our new mobile, zone blocking studs could pull and get the edge, but unfortunately that’s not happening either. This line is god awful in the running game, any way you slice it.
The defense is much improved, and I realize we have our share of injuries, but is it me, or has the pass rush disintegrated in the last two weeks? I know we got some sacks at the end of the WAS game, but we had no pressure for most of that game, and what happened this week? Where was our pass rush? Anybody watch the Sunday night game tonight? Anybody see that Baltimore defense? That’s a defense. We are still pretenders folks. Better than Wade’s weak suck of a defense, but we are far from the dominant force that we should be. I’m even gonna call out Ratliff. I like the guy, but when’s the last time he made a difference in a game? He’s praised up and down in Cowboy land, but let’s keep it real here. The guy is not collapsing pockets, he’s not moving piles, and he’s not standing out on game day. Same could be said for every one of our DB’s. I won’t rip into them until everybody’s healthy, but our backfield is clearly the weak point of this defense.
The running game has to be a big negative too. That DeMarco Murray pick was absolutely retarded. We already had a log jam at RB. Why the F are we drafting a RB that high, knowing that we’re cutting Barber? Now we’re stuck, again, with 3 RB’s and don’t know who to start. Here’s a thought- draft some F’ing O linemen that can run block, and use any one of our freaking running backs to run through the holes. We’ve already got more than enough talent at RB before the Murray pick if we’ve got some F’ing running lanes to run through. Biggest negative on this team is the running game, outside of Romo’s incomprehensible ineptitude.
Also, Marty B sucks and so does Ogletree. The end.
OL was fine this game from what I have read
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 3, 2011 4:38 AM CDT up reply actions
Oline was fine from what I saw with my own eyes
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Yup
Best protection in quite a while against a formidable line.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
suh 3 tackles, 1 roughing the passer penalty
they didnt give up the sack until the team had completely melted down
funny how the team started playing its worst once Romo started messing up. The game was flawless until Romo started tossing picks
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 4, 2011 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions
I think they get that "oh crap, here we go again" feeling too!
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Costa and Company made Suh a non-factor for the large majority of the game
The running game is what it is supposed to be, a swing pass game.
We have nobody who has a track record of being able to bust long runs up the gut. That’s not the Felix and Murray profile.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Is it not their profile?
Or is it not our OL’s profile? I guess it’s irrelevant, we could all come up with reasons why the running game’s not where it should be, especially in short yardage. Point is, that’s still a problem on this team.
by Useful_Idiot_ on Oct 3, 2011 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Felix is an edge guy who played in spots at Arkansas
Murray is also a slasher with receiving ability.
Where’s the ground and pound guy for that 4th down play?
The O-line’s profile, to your point, seems to be more about pulling and trapping along with keeping their QB upright.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
He starts for Pittsburgh
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"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
if it wasnt for barber there would have been madness over not taking him
and the best back wasnt even drafted in the first round that year. Yeah i have a homestate bias to Jersey but Ray-Ray should have a better career than DMC
Felix and Jenkins when Mendehall, CJ2k, Ray-ray, Forte and D-jax were still on the board?
Marty B when jamaal charles went like 10 picks later and finley about 20 after that
and then hillis went in the 7th round. i mean jerry you know your alma mater is a big time track school and is not going to recruit any skill players who lack explosiveness. Man we need a new GM
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 4, 2011 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
barkeley
maybe we need to take a long look at matt barkeley from usc.
it's called a satchel and indiana jones wears one.
I doubt we are even close in that range this year
I want Tannenhill and I have only watched maybe 5 games of this kid and I think he has “it”
he isn’t afraid to make plays but he takes what is there a lot
I was re-watching the game tonight from Saturday and a lot of times he would check down and take the 6 yards to live another down, I liked that
he is a WR making the transition to QB, his ceiling is extremely high
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by Archie Barberio on Oct 3, 2011 4:41 AM CDT up reply actions
I want a legit QB prospect and not some project QB. Landry Jones or Matt Barkeley for me please.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Matt Barkeley has the "it" factor. In 2009 as a true freshman he went into Ohio State and beat them.
He’s getting better each season. His problem is playing on team that can’t compete for anything in 2010 and 2011. U$C can’t even play in a bowl game. So no matter how hard he plays, he’s never going to have all his teammates committed to putting teams away U$C style while they’re still on suspension. If he stays for next season, I wouldn’t be surprised if U$C competes for BCS Title Game birth.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Foles is good. I've seen more of Matt Barkeley, that's why I'd prefer him.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Foles is ok.
He stares down recievers and has no legs to run. He would need a 90’s type of Cowboys line to protect him. Dallas doesn’t have that.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Oct 3, 2011 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
agreed, even though hes played better
hes not in a guy like Luck’s league. I read Bunting’s scouting report on Foles – it said he looks to one side of the field. I’ve started paying attention to that since then, and its absolutely true – Foles rarely will look to one side and then the opposite side of the field. Luck meanwhile, is already starting pro qb material imo.
not yet but give them 3 years
plus foles is big and has a cannon. not a stafford cannon but he’s going to be able to make more throws because its easier for him to see the field
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 4, 2011 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Foles is playing better this year
hes more accurate than in years past for sure. and less red zone INTs (though the season is young). Maybe its just the fact that I’m disappointed with this UA team in general, but I’d still prefer not to see him as a Cowboy.
He's got upside
…and comparing anyone to Luck is like comparing anyone to Peyton.
BTW, has there ever been a more valuable player to his team than Peyton Manning? Good Lord those colts look pathetic.
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hey at least we found our #3 WR
I said I liked this kid for a reason, he’s fast and tall
116 yards? not bad, Ogletree can’t even sniff 50
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and we don't use Dez enough
I know he is hurt but jump balls, fades, backshoulder, fly pattern
throw the ball up let him go get it, I swear it’s that easy sometimes because the guy is getting single coverage, its amazing to me
when we get Miles back, no excuses because you got 2 all pro, yeah all pro, WR’s and an all pro TE
I kinda want a bus driver like we had in 2009, that Romo was boss, this new guy is just inconsistent and its so upsetting
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Don't think it's time to give up on Romo
If he keeps playing like he’s playing (1 terrible, 2 good, continue sequence), we’ll have a pretty good shot to do really well this season. The NFC East is basically in shambles, and I still don’t believe that the Giants are a good team this year.
That being said, I just don’t know how we can continue to watch Romo do this. He’s proven over and over again that he’s not the calm and consistent QB that we need to win the SB. Even if Garrett calls 100% pass plays to close out a game that we have a lead in, the QB is the leader of the offense. He can change plays based on what he sees. He needs to take the game into his own hands at that point – read the defense before the snap, audible to some running plays, screen passes, other high % completions, etc.
It’s not time to give up on Romo, but it certainly is time to expect him to adapt to game situations and play accordingly.
When WILL you say it's time?
If he does have a crappy game against the Pats, then what?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
We win two games, and Romo's a hero.
We lose two games, and Romo is a scrub.
He’s had two bad games. Well…Really, three bad quarters. If this happens all season, i’ll be worried.
You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more
So mark, you say wait till its over
What will be your measuring sticks?
The team’s record? QB rating? what?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
If I am Rat or Ware
the next time the cowboys have a halftime lead, I am taking Romo into the back corner to tell him this -
“Tony, you’re our boy and you’re doing real good today but if you start throwing picks and we lose this game, Imma crack you in the kidney but good. Now go get em”.
yeah because the defense wasn't to blame at all
Please they gave up 17pts in the 4th qtr and gave stafford all day to throw
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17 pts is only 3 more points than the offense gave up
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one gave up in the 3rd the other unit gave them up in the 4th
Ill take the former and blame both
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The offense should not be giving up any points at all. I am blaming the offense
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Because I am a casual fan, delusional, a hater, etc.
This is you every time your boys screws the pooch
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Okay?
But even then it was 30-17 and the D was fresh. Why do they get a pass. Its their job to stop them. And they couldn’t.
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Because we gave them short fields due to offensive ineptitude
I don’t think that part is all on Romo, but we wouldn’t have been in that situation if he had done his job.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
The defense is not elite
…but they are improving.
Romo is not elite, but he is regressing.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
who was supposed to be carrying who before this season started?
which unit were we expecting a ton of mistakes from with a glass half-full approach?
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 4, 2011 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
Hah
Well played.
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
Depends who you ask
I’ve been pretty hard on Dallas’ inability to run the ball (or call runs) effectively in the red zone. I’ve also said Romo’s laissez faire approach to getting the team in and out of the huddle and up to the line is awful.
That all happened on JG’s watch previously.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
lest you forget the stalled possesion
where the offense could not get past their own ten yard line and mcbriar got the ball to the 50.
and the defense held detroit to 14 yards in 8 plays and forced Hanson to make a 51 yarder making it 30-27
then romo throws another pick and gives detroit an even shorter field. Sorry defense did all they could unless Stafford is just more clutch than Romo and Schwartz is a better coach than JG
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 4, 2011 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Even in the Jets game after Romo's last INT
Ryan’s guys gave up only 72 inches of ground in 3 plays to force Folk to make a 50-yarder to win it.
Come on, stop looking for ways to diffuse what everyone knows is a QB limitation.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
An offense shouldn't give up points
Or at least thats what I’ve been taught.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
Ask The Vikings
if they would like to trade QB situations with the Cowboys. Romo caused the losses to the Jets and the Lions; the fumble and the pick six to Carpenter are plays that are totally on Romo. But, BFD. You win some and you lose many. Romo wil be okay. However, having said that, I would definetely be looking at QB now. I don’t like old slow guys and I don’t have any confidence in our Aggie experiment. I would draft a QB in round three from now on until we find one that can be the next franchise QB and if this helps Romo so much the better.
you should always be looking at qb always!
every other year at the least.
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so very true
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We are 2-2
The team wins and the team loses. Its so funny to me the way you guys overreact. If JG is the coach we think he is then this is the right time to have these kind of games. In reality it won’t matter now though, everyone posting here won’t be satisfied until “Romo” wins us a Superbowl. FYI the defense was atrocious in the 4th qtr yesterday too but they get a free pass huh?
The Cowboys are making the playoffs this year and I will be there for it feel free to jump off now I won’t mind.
Here’s reality, if I asked any of you Sept 10th, 2011 Hey guys what record do you think we would have IF:
Austin: 2 games hurt
Dez: 3 games hurt
Costa: 3 games hurt
Nagy: 3 games hurt
Romo: 3 games hurt
Felix: 3 games hurt
Witten: 3 games hurt
Bennett: 2 games hurt
Newman: 2 games hurt
Jenkins: 4 games hurt
Scandrick: 4 games hurt
Sensi: 1 games hurt
Hatcher: 2 games hurt
Free hurt too?
Tyron Smith knee
You all would be ecstatic to be 2-2. And then if I said we also beat the division leading Redskins even more ecstatic.
Lets rest up boys, get healthy, learn from this, move on. Build great days upon great days and lets get ready for the 2nd Quarter of football. The season has just begun.
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Isn't funny how the haters ignore the defense implosion
and simply want to say Romo is 100% to blame. Where was Ware yesterday, when we needed stops in the 4th qtr, he was no where near Stafford. Hell that jump ball TD pass to Johnson, he had all day to throw.
Funny how haters say Romo chokes in the 4th qtr or at the end of games, but when Ware disappears, not a word is said even though the exact same choke label could apply to him as well.
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yeah or they blame JGs play calling
How about Rob Ryan only rushing 3 on that play, WTF. Or the defense holding call that gave them a fresh set of downs. The defense let us down just as much as the offense.
Its a team game and the team loss. We are 2-2 and I am pumped for the 2nd Qtr of the season. This is what builds good teams.
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wasn't that jump ball play a 3rd/2nd and long play? If so, then you don't blitz. If you do you end up in the situation that cost the Redskins. The problem is Calvin Johnson is like Randy Moss. CJ outjumps a defense, Moss out ran a defense.
You can have the best play call and it’s still not good enough to beat them.
"The tone is business," Garrett said. "Let's get to work. The Giants are going to be at the Meadowlands on Sunday at 4:15. They're an awfully good football team. We have to get ready for them."
Its funny when the offense gives up 14 points
But your ok with that since the defense shouldn’t give up any points at all.
I always thought it should be the reverse.
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by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
Did Ware make obviously moronic decisions that put points on the board
I did not see them.
Anyone else.
As for the D imploding, it all started with Tony offering up 14 points to the Lions.
Romo is thousand times smarter than you so does that make you dumb?? Just curious
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 3, 2011 8:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah he did by not getting to the QB. Thats his job and he didn't do it. Not once
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And that is a decision equivalent with Romo's picks?
Please explain.
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by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 3, 2011 8:47 AM CDT up reply actions
Ware has one job.. sack the passer.
Romo put 30pts on the board
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What was the moronic decision by Ware?
Please follow along.
We aren’t talking about performance or execution.
Romo is thousand times smarter than you so does that make you dumb?? Just curious
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 3, 2011 8:50 AM CDT up reply actions
There was that one time when Ware had Stafford in his sights but ran off the field, squatted on the sideline and shat his pants. Everyone remembers that, right?
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His decision to not get to the QB on a crucial 4th qtr drive
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Both what Mensa?
What decisions did Ware make that were equivalent to Romo’s?
I am talking decisions, only the fanboys are talking execution.
Romo is thousand times smarter than you so does that make you dumb?? Just curious
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 3, 2011 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions
Decisions...Execution
Same Differance
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
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by I am Ironman!!! on Oct 3, 2011 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions
really
you don’t think there is a difference?
Romo is thousand times smarter than you so does that make you dumb?? Just curious
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 3, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I disagree
BTW, IaI, looks like Felix and Murrray weren’t able to hit the edges like you thought they would.
What are your thoughts?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Going to respond to both here
IMS- NO there is no difference-Decisions are executions…the ONLY difference is one is more mental(decisions) otherwise they are basically the same….
Blings- Well it wasn’t so much that Felix and Murray Couldn’t hit the Corner, but more that they weren’t given the Chance….I was thinking that we should have gone with more pitch outs and Tosses…as opposed to "bouncing " inside runs out side…..
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
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by I am Ironman!!! on Oct 4, 2011 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions
I like the idea of the pitch out to use their speed
I disagree with you on the decision versus execution piece.
A decision is about making up your mind on something. I’d liken it to NOT throwing the ball when Barbie had short coverage on Romo’s intended receiver.
Execution is, at least in this context, the act of performing a skill. In this case, I would say it had more to do with throwing the ball striding into the throw rather than off of your back foot.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Decision vs Execution
a Decision is simply a mental execution…..IMO that is
Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT
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by I am Ironman!!! on Oct 4, 2011 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions
romo also shrunk dallas' deficit by 14
so he only gave dallas 16.
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 4, 2011 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
The defense gave up 20 points all game, that is feel short of an implosion
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If the final score was 30-17, would you be excoriating the defense for imploding?
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So if it was 30-0 going into the fourth no
But that wasn’t the case. It was 30-17 and the defense has to stop them
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The O imploded in the second half much worse than the D did
Romo is thousand times smarter than you so does that make you dumb?? Just curious
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 3, 2011 8:51 AM CDT up reply actions
3rd vs 4th
The D wasn’t even on the field in the 3rd yet still failed to stop the lions in the 4th and gave up 17points which is horrible
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The offence gave up 14 points in about two minutes
Which is beyond horrible, especially as they were unforced errors by our joyboy.
Romo is thousand times smarter than you so does that make you dumb?? Just curious
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 3, 2011 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions
it was 30-17 at the 4th qtr.
The defense blew it just as much
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17 points in the fourth when the offense gives the lions a series of short fields is not an implosion
The defense could always do more, but this one has to be hung around the necks of the offense
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I disagree its a team loss.
Its just as much on the offense as the defense. Hell the defense wasn’t even on the field in the 3rd qtr so why weren’t they fresh and ready to roll? They gave up a huge penalty and let stafford have all day to throw.
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that is so misleading
for one the first TD came at the very beginning at the 4th Q. that was the D’s one bad drive and it was still 24-30 when it should have been 10-30
the field goal came after the offense had to punt from their own 5 yard line and detroit started the drive on the Dallas 48. Dallas held them to 14 yards on 8 plays that drive and forced Hanson to make a 51 yard FG. Thats a win for almost every defense. Forcing a team to less than 2 yards per play and making a 50+ yard field goal is not bad defense. What do you want sacks, punts, and turnovers every possession? Well go to madden and jack up the sliders because it doesnt happen in real life
the third and Game-winning TD again came after another Romo INT. Detroit starting on the Dallas 40 with about 4 minutes to go. Yeah Frank Walker committed a 3rd down penalty but Frank Walker is not some 6-8 year Vet considered to be of Pro Bowl caliber talent. Am i mad he got the penalty? Yeah but then again its Frank Walker, someone I would never count on to win my team a game and expect to make stupid plays here and there.
Yeah so imma blame Frank “fresh off the street” Walker for losing this game. Along with Demarcus Ware because a guy not getting sacks matter more than a giving away pick sixes like free candy. Did you guys know through 4 games Demarcus ware is tied for third in the league with sacks and yet that total is still less than Romo’s turnover total? Yeah that Demarcus Ware, he can never be counted on just like 2 years ago in New Orleans that was a complete fluke and he is wasting Romo the Greats prime years
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 4, 2011 11:07 PM CDT up reply actions
I think defenses who are on the field too long are doomed to failure
How about just a couple of first downs on that possession inside our 5-yard line?
How about some breathing room? You know, the kind that forces the opponent to drive longer than 50 yards to score points?
I suppose that is too much to ask of Romo in clutch time?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Come on man.
This is getting out of hand. Romo had a HORRIBLE game…fine, blame the entire loss on Romo…it still doesn’t make him a bad qb that needs to be replaced.
Romo was having a pretty good season lst year before the injury, he had a real good season the year before. This season, he 2-2 and people are ready to ship him off.
Get over it, it was a bad game we let get away. It doesn’t make Romo a bad QB. You shound like these guys on the radio. “woe is me, my qb is a top ten qb and has lost two games, he should be shipped off!!!”
You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more
I never said Romo is top 10
…and let me be clear, I am posing the question.
You may say, it’s NOT time…yet. But the question remains.
When, mdm, MIGHT it be time for Dallas to start thinking about our next QB?
If this is what Romo is (and, assuming you believe he won’t significantly improve our chances of getting a bling), when would you start thinking hard about Matt Barkley or Ryan Tannehill next year?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
You're officially a hater blings and delusional as well
Jerry Jones and Garrett love Romo and as long as they’re running the show he’ll be the Cowboys starting QB until he decides to retire whether you and the rest of the Romo haters like it or not.
You have to take the good and the bad with Romo…haters don’t want to accept that but if you’re going to be a Cowboys fan you’ll have to. He can be brilliant and amazing like in the SF and Skins games which is the reason Garrett and Jones will never give up on him. Talented QBs like that are very difficult to find.
The gunslinger will come out on occasion and while they might cause fans to yell, scream and pull their hair out, it has to be accepted and tolerated because great QBs don’t grow on trees. As Parcells used to say, you can’t just dial 1-800-QB and get a great one.
Anyone who thinks Kitna, McGee or a rookie in 2012 or 2013 will give this team the best chance to win is beyond delusional and simply wants to hate on Romo…it’s that simple.
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Hater
A word a grown man should not use in any intelligent discussion.
Terry, if Romo is 1000 times smarter than me, what was he thinking on the third pick? (Not the first pick, not the second pick, but the third one. That is the one that wasn’t returned for a touchdown).
Romo is thousand times smarter than you so does that make you dumb?? Just curious
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 3, 2011 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions
That Witten was open with no one above him
He hits Witten game over. Unfortunately his line failed him and caused him to throw off
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He threw up a prayer on his back foot
There is no defending that throw. He chose to throw off his back foot, and it was a heave.
Reminded me of those two pathetic INTs he gave up to the Ravens a few years ago – he panics and just throws up a prayer.
Shocking for a veteran,
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by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 3, 2011 8:49 AM CDT up reply actions
a prayer?
He was wide open. The pocket collapsed at the exact moment he began to throw it.
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Throwing off the back foot is a prayer
A smart QB doesn’t make that throw in that situation. It was a prayer.
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by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 3, 2011 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions
Are you able to talk about individual plays
Please quote where I advocated for Kitna and where I said Romo wasn’t good in the first half.
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by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 3, 2011 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions
yeah but then again he was injured
and he knew he couldnt make that throw. he even admitted right after the game.
or he couldve set his feet and taken the hit and delivered the ball.
and we’re talking bout a 30 foot prayer? if a NFL QB cant deliver on a 30 foot prayer then why is he throwing it in the first place? He doesnt use his brain at all when it matters, he just thinks with his d———-(arm)
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 4, 2011 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions
It was a good decision to attempt to make that throw
He just didn’t throw it far enough
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Really
throwing off the back foot like that is a good decision?
Romo is thousand times smarter than you so does that make you dumb?? Just curious
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 3, 2011 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
Favre did it for years
But Witten was definitely the open guy for a huge play….thats what Romo sees, the execution just wasn’t there on that play.
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What does Favre have to do with
Romo choking the game away?
Is that some sort of endorsement.
It is hard to execute when you make dumb decisions, I agree with you there Terry. It’s like you always say, Romo has the physical tools but serious cognitive impairments that will always keep him from greatness. We are on the same page there.
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by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 3, 2011 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions
What would constitute a choke in your eyes?
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so i guess no "Elite" QB ever chokes
they just make a bad decision here and there
yeah Tom Brady didnt choke in 07. He just made a bad pass or two in the super bowl leading to their only loss that season. No big deal
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 4, 2011 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions
and Farve will never be considered close to being the best
just the most durable, for as many highlights he has he has just as many Pee-Wee league mistakes to attach
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 4, 2011 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions
People talk about some guys having that "clutch gene"
Romo doesn’t have it.
If that makes me a “hater” in your myopic eyes, then so be it.
Your continued use of the same words like “delusional” and “hater” sound just like Romo’s Sunday night apologies for his mental breakdowns and on-field implosions, which are now immortalized in the Cowboys record books.
Both of you should continue to repeat yourselves like the broken records you are.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Romo is most certainly clutch, I saw it in the SF and Redskins games as in many others
Just because he throws INTs doesn’t mean he’s not clutch, all qbs throw INTs.
In Romo we Trust
Not the kind he throws
Romo’s collapses are the most memorable things about his career now.
It’s becoming the comical part of our season for NFL fans everywhere. He’s become the biggest punchline in the NFL. Not good for a franchise as proud as ours.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Is Romo
still 1000 times smarter than me or is it now more or less?
Romo is thousand times smarter than you so does that make you dumb?? Just curious
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 3, 2011 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Now he's only 467 times smarter
…but in a couple of weeks, the board could flip.
Stay tuned!
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
These same things were said after the first four games of 2009.
What I find most interesting though is that the same people who always harped on Romo and his apparent lack of leadership, are the same people so willing to put a loss on just one guy. I guess the message is that team dynamics are important when things are okay, but when you are mad that those thoughts about team can just go out the window and blame one guy.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
*you can blame
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
How can you not blame it on one guy? Almost everybody else played a pretty good game. It literally required a historic collapse for us to lose that game, and it happened. Romo threw THREE interceptions in the 2nd half, and was majorly responsible for the loss.
OK, maybe it wasn’t 100% his fault we lost, but it was at least 95%.
no way.
The D gave up 17pts in the 4th qtr. Rob Ryan is just as much to blame as the rest of the team
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player
Right? I mean the defense should have shut them out
They were 3-0 but still, Dallas and Rob Ryan should be expected to keep each team to single digits every game regardless of what situations they are put in by the collossal failures of their QB.
Right. Sure.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
letting a team putting up 17 pts in one qtr isn't good D
especially if you are leading 30-17 and its the 4th qtr
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player
Let's be clear
It was 27-3 and Aikman said it best.
The only way the Lions could come back was the way they have come back. On the strength of Dallas’ QB miscues, Detroit was able to make a blowout a contested outcome.
Put the blame where it rightly belongs.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
No doubt he was majorly responsible
but you still can’t put it all on one guy. And this is especially true considering any play’s outcome can come down to several people. Laurent Robinson has already taken blame for the second INT (which he deserves), and Tony wouldn’t have had to throw off his back foot on the last INT if there was pressure in his face. Putting a loss on just one guy is simplistic and in most cases irrational.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Tony wouldn’t have had to throw
Are you kidding? He didn’t have to throw. He made a bad decision to throw.
I don't totally disagree, but the outcome of that play is totally different
if he is taking a step forward rather than falling backwards. The outcome of that play is dependent on more than just Tony.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
but if he can't step forward
Don’t flutter it down field.
Romo is thousand times smarter than you so does that make you dumb?? Just curious
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 3, 2011 9:00 AM CDT up reply actions
It's easy for us to say that
but when Tony sees Witten as open as he was, I can’t expect him not to try to make that play. As much as it angered me at the time, it wasn’t as if he made a terrible decision with where to go with the ball. The throw itself just didn’t get there and that may have had something to do with his ribs.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Of course the outcome is dependent on more than just Tony, but as a quarterback in the NFL, you NEED to be able to make decisions based on what’s happening in the game. At the end of the day, he made the wrong decision.
It’s a completely different scenario than if a lineman gets beat. In the lineman’s case, he got outplayed on a play, which happens all the time. In Tony’s case, he couldn’t process what was happening in the game and make a good decision based on that.
As I write above, it wasn't so much the decision as the throw itself.
Maybe he short-armed it a bit, maybe it was the ribs, or maybe he thought he could get it there but couldn’t. It will go down as a bad decision because of the outcome, but when he was letting it rip, the picture was nowhere as clear as to it being such a terrible decision. Either way, if our o-line doesn’t force him to drop five yards back, that is an easy completion for 30 something yards.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
but the o line did force him back
and he has to know he can’t make that throw once he is back footed. I understand what you are saying, but no matter how open Witten is, you can’t float passes up like that.
I agree the protection wasn’t great on that play, but that is part of playing QB.
Appreciate your thoughts though.
Romo is thousand times smarter than you so does that make you dumb?? Just curious
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 3, 2011 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions
I feel like you’re missing the point. Our o-line is young and not stellar, but that doesn’t stop Romo from playing great football for most of the game.
The problem is that when it really matters, he’s not using his head, and even his great talent can’t overcome dumb decisions.
I think we have gotten a bit off track.
My largest point is that overall, regardless of the mistakes that Romo made, the game doesn’t fall just on him. It was a team loss when you have Frank Walker allowing them a second chance at a winning TD, our DBs making other key mistakes, and our pass rushers failing to make a huge impact.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
the game doesn’t fall just on him
Right, and I disagree. We’ll leave it at that.
I think it was on him
If not for his carelessness and utter lack of situational awareness, this outcome of this game is never in doubt.
Tony put his defense in untenable positions late in the game after doing such a great job early of keeping Dallas’ foot on the throat of the Lions.
So no, the game DOES just fall on him.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
What is majorly responsible?
Creasy, when does the devotion end?
I know you want to appear the stalwart believer, but I have to ask you.
When does Romo use up all of your goodwill?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Oh actually I think the majority of blame goes on Tony.
That was a horrific second half and I’m not going to pretend it wasn’t. But my problem is that we pretend the game was solely lost by Tony when that wasn’t the case. Especially since he was a main reason we were up 27-3 at one point. As for when my devotion is going to end, it sure as hell won’t be after one game. I will need to see more clear signs of decline. As I see it, the start to this season looks really similar to the start of 2009, and we know how that season went. Let’s let the book on this season be finished before we make hasty decisions.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
And with all that said, I have time and time again emphasized the need to
continually use draft picks on QB. I may support Romo, but I am not irrational about it.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
But we're not one game in
We’re six years in. He’s not Sam Bradford’s age. So what is your assessment of his career-to-date?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
I think you know my answer.
I think as a QB he has mostly been somewhere between good and very good. He hasn’t ever been elite and at times he has been great. His career has suffered from perception issues that I have never found fair, and he has had two of his best years wasted thanks to the injuries of 2008 and the injury/defensive collapse in 2010.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Thanks for providing clarity
So, again, when do you sit back and take stock of the situation as it pertains to next year? Wait until after the season ends?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
I definitely wait until the end of the year.
If for no other reason than I am absolutely positive he is better than Kitna and McGee. I also don’t see any point in playing McGee for developmental reasons considering he is still struggling with QB basics.
Regardless of what happens this year though, I want to draft a QB in the first five rounds of this next draft.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
I just want to say up front that I'm really not nagging on you
I’m not completely sold that Mcgee can be anything but I haven’t seen him play that much but for two games last year. Where does your assessment that he lacks QB basics come from?
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
Two things bug me about him.
It would appear to me that he struggles going through his progressions and he also has a bad habit of getting too happy of feet in the pocket. The guy has plenty of arm strength and athleticism, but I am not sure he has the savvy and poise to play the position for us long-term.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Problem with not being long term is
We can work him on the sidelines and in practice but theres nothing like game experience. He showed some ability last two games last year, now I’m not saying we can throw it on his shoulders and run with it I’m just saying we should get an honest idea about what we have. If we have nothing then its time to move on to the next guy.
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
He hasn't played a lot since his injury in college
One could argue he is still making the leap. One way to see what a kid like that has is to throw him in there at some point if the starter continues to make those boneheaded mistakes.
Kinda like how Romo got HIS shot, right?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
so i guess in 2013, 2015, and 2017
it will still be the defenses fault and a team loss
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by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 4, 2011 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
JJT sums it up the best
Actually, this is about a 31-year-old, nine-year veteran making the same dumb decisions season after season. There’s no reason, if we’re honest, to think it’ll ever stop.
All you can do is hope it does because Romo isn’t going anywhere. The Cowboys have wrapped a Kevlar vest around his job security, and Jon Kitna is not a viable option because Romo is the better player.
Romo If you’re going to try to make some plays, then you’re going to have some bad plays. As Tony goes, we’ll go.
" — Cowboys owner/general manager Jerry Jones on his QB, Tony Romo
And even if the Cowboys chose to spend a first-round pick on a quarterback next season, that dude is not going to beat Romo out. You’re living in fantasy land if you think someone is going to trade the Cowboys the rights to Andrew Luck.
For the foreseeable future, Romo is your guy. Deal with it.
“There’s no issue about faith in Romo in any place in this organization. Period.” Jerry Jones said. "We have a lot of faith in Romo. This doesn’t touch that.
“If you’re going to try to make some plays, then you’re going to have some bad plays. As Tony goes, we’ll go.”
How comforting.
“He knows that I believe in him,” Garrett said. “Our staff believes in him. His teammates believe in him.”
http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/_/id/7051859/dallas-cowboys-live-tony-romo-poor-decisions
In Romo we Trust
The funny thing about you Terry is that you’ve undergone a paradigm shift in the last few years and you’re too blind to even see it. You used to defend all things Tony all the time, from his infuriating decision-making during games to even the clothes he wore and the tramps he dated. It was almost disturbing. But whatever. You’re entitled to your man-love.
Your best argument was always that he was young and he would learn. Well, as Judge Smails would famously say in Caddyshack… “We’re waiting…” You now apparently support the position that making bad decisions is just Tony being Tony, and that it comes with being a gunslinger. Do you even see the change in your logic?
If I do agree with you and other posters on one point, it’s that we have no other viable alternative right now and that this team’s fortunes are tied to him. But that too, in time, will change if the team continues to fall short of its promise.
by Boundforbeach on Oct 3, 2011 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions
Nicely done
Question: how come you don’t write more fanposts?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
wrong, I've always had that atitude towards Romo
obviously you were too blind to read it I guess
In Romo we Trust
and you're obviously related to Baghdad Bob
by Boundforbeach on Oct 3, 2011 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
It does seem like Terry is down to one argument:
It is Tony’s job and that as long as Jerry and Co have faith in him it doesn’t matter what we say. Very well, but that was also the prevailing logic about Wade a year ago. Go look for him now.
"[Sean] Lee has more value now...than our entire 2010 draft"--- An Eagles' fan.
I actually have to back this up.
Terry has for years made that point about Romo.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Ouch
"There’s no issue about faith in Romo in any place in this organization. Period." Jerry Jones said. "We have a lot of faith in Romo. This doesn’t touch that.
Any time I see quotes like that from the brass, that means the clock is ticking.
Mark my words.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Yep, I thought the same thing.
The dreaded ‘vote of confidence’ is dreaded for a reason
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it all depends where were drafting....
JG going to get his guy next draft or in FA.
In Romo we trust----NOT!!!!
Unfortunately Jerry loves Romo and will stick with him until he retires.
That’s why Dallas has been a losing team for so long.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Oct 3, 2011 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't think it works that way anymore
JG wants to win, and he’s proven he’ll jettison anyone who he thinks isn’t right for the job.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
yeah after seeing some documentaries on Jimmy some years back
I really think Jerruh is a terrible GM and nowhere near an elite level talent scout and that it was Jimmy that formed the triplets and that he deserves most of the credit and that switzer got his leftovers
Gailey era to current era is all Jerruh being Jerruh with Parcells invoking some hope in there for a few years
The realist keepin it real amongst the surrealists
R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 4, 2011 11:37 PM CDT up reply actions
we heard that about OL too
Jerry will listen to JG, and I have trust in his personnel decisions.
The song remains the same, Terry
Keep playing it. Someone might even listen.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
lol,, dang terry, what would you expect for them to say at this point..........
hes tied up here for a few more yrs, other than McGee there isnt another option, and well we will win too many games of prob any of the top 3 QB’s next draft. we are a 4th of the way through the season. Personally i feel we are snake bit, some things just werent meant to be.
woman !, don't try to understand em, don't try to make them understand you, for they are a breed apart ! lol
(redskins)= A Tale of 2 owners, bought by Snyder, OWNED by the COWBOYS !
lets see
they have no backup that could step in like Matt Cassel or Matt Schaub
Of course no one is going to trade Andrew Luck for a middling aging gunslinger. Maybe Brady or Rodgers but why would you trade them?
Since there is no quality backup QB(yet) you cant trade Romo because seldom are the good QB for good QB trades
They have to believe in him because there is no other choice, especially since he’s due about another 30 million. I have never seen a good GM/Owner accept their star player consistently making bad plays that ruin the team chances of winning a super bowl every year especially when he’s been playing for 6 years now
Dont worry a QB will be drafted to be groomed to usurp romo within the next two years like Palmer and Rodgers were or maybe we’ll luck out and land a Hasselback or Schaub to take over when Romo gets injured again
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R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 4, 2011 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions
This is crazy to me.
You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more
sorry, double post
It’s crazy to me though. Romo made some horrible decisions, it’s true. The guy has as many, or less interceptions than Rivers, Brady, and Big Ben.
Oh, and does anyone remember how the Packers played at the begining of the season last year?
It’s just a fan mentality I guess. One week he’s the hero, plays with broken ribs…beats a division rival. The game before he get’s injured, comes back in and wins the game…he’s great. He has a real bad second half and let a game slip away, and he’s garbage again.
You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more
Welcome to the wild and wolly world of the NFL, mark
You go from hero to zero quite easily.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
It's more the wild and wolly world of a Cowboys fan.
How long has it been since Brady won a superbowl? He’s got as many picks as Romo does…hell he threw 4 in one game. People aren’t trying to ship him off. I mean, I get it..he’s got big skins on the wall…Romo doesn’t….but like I said earlier, Romo was one of the only people having a good seaon before he got hurt, he had a really good season the year before that….then he comes into this game with out his number 1 wr, a bunch of people no ones ever heard of on the o-line, had about 3 total qtrs of (really) bad football….and people want him replaced. Without Romo we lose that game handily from the opening whistle.
You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more
All QBs make mistakes
the weird thing about #9 is that his mistakes seem like they could be corrected, and they are often jaw-droppingly bad both in terms of decision making and impact.
Many of his mistakes seem to be outside the norm for an NFL quarterback. Whether you like him or hate him, he is an odd package.
Romo is thousand times smarter than you so does that make you dumb?? Just curious
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 3, 2011 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions
I am still amazed by the INT...
Romo threw off of Witten’s foot in the Giant’s came. I mean really. If we were fans of any other NFC East team, Romo would be an endless source of material.
"[Sean] Lee has more value now...than our entire 2010 draft"--- An Eagles' fan.
How long has it been since Romo won a Super Bowl? At leas he has less than picks than Brady
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Does it matter?
Would you rather have a super bowl win from five years ago, or win now?
My point, as he stated above, all QB’s make mistakes. Romo’s had about 3 horrible quarters of football in 4 games. Last year he was good, the rest of the team failed him. Year before that, he was damn good.
He loses two games, albeit badly, and now everything else doesn’t matter. His career is now, somehow, defined by these two games this season. Has he had bad games before? Yes, what qb hasn’t….he’s also had WAY more great games than bad games…easily. We wouldn’t have a playoff win, we wouldn’t even be an after thought in the NFL if it wasn’t for Romo.
Get off the ledge people. He’s playing with a banged up team, a young young young O-line, and no offseason coaching at all….after missing every game from week 7 on last year. There’s going to be some groing pains as we get back in the swing of things. Say I wear rose colored glasses…whatever. I can just as easily say you guys wearing crap colored (sorry all I could think of lol) glasses
You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more
The Cowboys don't have a Super Bowl win from five years ago either
Do you see the Cowboys winning a Super Bowl this year? I think they are a .500 team at year’s end, give or take a game on either side. I don’t think Romo should be benched, because no one on the team is better. I do think the team needs to start planning for the future at QB because Romo is not getting younger, and he is not getting better. He is what he is, and he ill start to decline, sooner rather than later.
And yes, at this point, Romo’s career is defined more by his pooch screwing games than by the games he has played well in. That may be unfair, but it is the reality of it. I have friends who are fans of other teams, and the consensus is that you want Romo as the qb of your fantasy team, but not your actual team. I am sure they will be derided as ‘casual fans’ or ‘haters’ or ‘delusional’ but at some point perception and reality do meet.
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That's my point
People think this is just Romo being Romo. It’s not. In the 7 games last season, how many losses can you pin squarely on Romo? What about the season before that? 1…maybe 2 total out of about 23 or 24 games?
This year, he’s 2 and 2. He practically lost 2 games for us and practically won 2 games for us. Let’s get through the season, see if this is a habit (because contrary to popular belief, it hasn’t been before now) and then see what we got.
You aint been around in awhile, maybe you haven't heard........I don't shine shoes no more
It is time for ....something
And I’d be lying if I said that I knew what that was.
Tony Romo is certainly high risk/ high reward. It looks to me that this team is ready to contend for a championship, except for one player. That player just happens to be the most important person on the field and not easily upgraded. So the Cowboys have no choice but to go all-in with Romo through the season. I don’t think Kitna could win a championship with this team, but I’m sure a guy like Trent Dilfer in his prime could.
Is Romo capable of becoming the bus driver to sit on a lead? I don’t think so. Whenever he starts to have success, Romo chokes. It seems like he needs to be the underdog. I’m sure we’ll see the good Tony against New England, but when it’s time to take the next step….. Romo is tough, talented and intelligent. No one, save Garrett, understands the offense as well I’m sure. What he is not is consistent and he cannot seem to handle praise.
I don’t know what can be done. Romo’s problems are mental. Maybe Jerry can convince Aikman to have a beer with Tony once a week or so to teach the current hope for the franchise how to handle success.
Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam
he was very much a bus driver yesterday
and he still couldn’t park it in the garage without a fire.
Romo is thousand times smarter than you so does that make you dumb?? Just curious
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 3, 2011 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions
WE need to draft next year CB Saftey, DT,and C/G. C/G can be a free agent pick up. make a trade to get another 2 or 3rd rounder. not going another season with an injured newman. Not to mention we need a big bruising RB and slot 3rd receiver.
Live Like it's your Last Day, cuz one day you'll be right!!!
Get elam and OG/OC Help!!!
next year tron and free can probable switch sides since free’s been getting abused. then we concentrate soilifying on middle of the line and even witten’s successor cuz I dont think they will resign marty B.
Live Like it's your Last Day, cuz one day you'll be right!!!
Get elam and OG/OC Help!!!
Free is hurting
Free is hurting
He could block Mario Williams and Julius Peppers when he was healthy
by Jonathan Stern on Oct 4, 2011 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions
He's been awful so far this year
The Niners and Skins were just running around him.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
I wonder how much of this up/down play
is because of scheme and play calling. You can limit Romo’s mistakes by calling the right plays. Garret needs to realize who he has at quarterback. I think we can really win with Romo at Qb but we don’t need to be calling plays like we are down 20 in the 4th quarter when we are ahead.
and as far as scheme… The offense is designed to get the ball down the field. The offensive line is a pass blocking unit and we don’t have a battering ram running back. This offense is all about the big play and I think that hurt us Sunday.
MacGruber!
+1
Romo made terrible decisions but when you are up 27-3, you run the damn ball. If we had 3 and outs the rest of the game, we would have won but JG is a gunslinger coach trying to teach a gunslinger how to win games and they both shot this team in the balls yesterday.
I'm sick of all you!
I can’t stand people that bitch about things they can’t control. Romo will be here for another 4 years. Get over it!
Plus the creampuffs that go to games and sit on their ass while the D is on the field then cheer the loudest when we’re on the goaline with a 4th and 1?! Give me a break. Makes me wanna puke! Find something else to bitch about instead of Romo. It makes you look stupid bc everyone and their mother is talking about the same crap!
by Cowboy Curtis on Oct 3, 2011 12:06 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Cowboy Curtis
On a Rampage!
I want this guy in the locker room making a pre-game speech in new England!
Go Cowboys!
Tribute to Curtis - I want to bitch about the pink shoes!
I am so sick of pink shoes in football…like it’s Barbie in Shoulder Pads….
was that a joke
i’m not sure. hopefully you know the meaning behind the pink attire
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R.I.P. Big Homey Nate Dogg: "Cuz Iiiiiiiiii have ne-evv-ver met a giiiiiiiiiirrrrrrllllllllllllllllllll tha-at I loved in the whole wide wooorrrlllllddddddd"
by starbury_to_s-jaxci2000 on Oct 4, 2011 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Sure it was all Romo's fault.
Let’s just forget Megatron destroying our defense in the fourth quarter and our suddenly nonexistant pass rush or the fact that the entire offense had a shot at a tackle and missed on both of those pick sixes (I think it was doug free who through a devastating block on Dez Bryant when he was about to tackle the dude). Also, let’s forget the fact that Romo was largely responsible for us being ahead by 24 in the first place. The Cowboys would be 4-0 without Romo, the rest of the team is perfect, cut him now while we still have a chance. No offense, but the gut reactions here every time we lose a game are predictable and annoying.
Here is the problem with saying this was a "team loss"
Everyone accepted that our D would have some growing pains and we would need to be patient.
Everyone accepted that we have a young O-line who would have some growing pains and we would need to be patient.
Everyone hoped that Romo would become the leader he says he will be and be an example for all of the youth on our team but he is the biggest reason why we lost two games. He is also the biggest reason we won two and I still think he has balls of steel to pull out those two wins.
The problem is, he is the leader that is shaping the team so when he starts making mind boggling picks and generally sh*tting his pants, it is not reasonable to expect all the young guys or the D to continously pick up the slack. That is why he is the highest paid guy on the team.
Team Loss ALWAYS
You can not have a team win without a team loss…blaming losses on individuals means you have to start propping individuals for wins…it won’t work in the long run…
Even if the kicker blows a chippy 19 yard FG down one with no time left…the loss is a team loss…someone somewhere down the line could have made another play to put the team in a better position at the end of the game.
Romo handed off successfully to Felix Jones on fourth and goal early. The line did not get enough push and Jones did not find enough space to gain one stinkin’ yard.
There is seven points off the board without anything to do with Tony Romo.
See how a game is a huge equasion…
Well if he ever wants to make the next step to an elite QB
he will have to win games like this, no matter what.
It's not a lack of want-to, it's a maturity level
One day, he’ll regret the chances he’s missd.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
If that is all anyone can say about him, he will have a pretty good life
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I hope he does
He’s a great person. I’ve enjoyed talking with him. He’s down to earth, not arrogant and seems to be growing as a leader. Unfortunately, he is passed his physical prime now.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
This is who is he is
We have seen all this guy has to offer. The only thing I could see helping him learn to make better decisions would be to pull him from a game and bench him. I feel like I have been watching the same game for 5 years now, I can’t take it anymore
You've watched the Cowboys blow 24 point leads for the last 5 years?
That really sucks for you I guess haha.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
The 27 - 3 Argument
Everyone is saying – RUN THE BALL – when Dallas was up 27 – 3…but no one is mentioning that the passing attack orchestrated by Garrett and Romo created that 27 – 3 lead….
What was wrong with the attack for two plus quarters? Nothing…so I don’t fault them for continuing with what was obviously working very well…
These people are humans not machines…
I think the sad fact is ...
And I’ve heard this a lot today, Romo is what he is. I agree. And he needs to be treated as such. He needs to be managed.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
Yep. I meant it in the sense you have to take the ball out of his hands.
You have to coddle him, remind him of the situation. Basically, you have to all the things with Tony you shouldn’t have to do with a veteran qb.
"Confidence doesn't come out of nowhere. It's a result of something... hours and days and weeks and years of constant work and dedication." --Roger Staubach
if you think you need a "closer" QB like a fireman from the bullpen
perhaps you actually need a QB, period.
Romo is thousand times smarter than you so does that make you dumb?? Just curious
by I_miss_Switzer on Oct 3, 2011 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
Almost 400 post
were 2-2 and lucky to be there with all the injuries! Do you guys relize Spencer was playing slot corner in one game? Or Holly was the only healthy reciever on the field in another game? That three of our starting offensive lineman have been injured at some point? Our QB had a fractured rib AND STILL DOES!,
If you have the courage to write or respond to such a post with all the things that are what they are then be prepared to have this post revisited, I’m not supporting Romo or anyone, but all things considered the data is flawed. So to write in absolutes is just ignorant.
norm, I write a lot on here
Maybe you’ve seen other posts of mine?
Chances are, I’ll be back soon.
:-)
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
This artical reminds me of Jeans J Taylor, stir the pot to get a response
by Musiccitynorm on Oct 3, 2011 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Interested in your opinion
Draft a QB early or no?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
How early?
Depends on our season, theirs, slot, availability, you know the story.
That said, the right guy, the right circumstance, damn straight. Trick’s making the call.
Cry 'Havoc!'
2nd round
Say Robert Griffin, Nick Foles and Kirk Cousins are all there. Take a shot?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
why even bother.. theres plenty of NCAA season left
At this time last year cam was not the #2 qb expected to go in the draft, though it would seem now even on the inept panthers he is an excellent qb..no?
Tony Romo 2011's League's Most Valuable Player and 2012's Superbowl MVP
Let's say one of those i listed becomes the de facto #3 choice
…as I don’t think we’ll draft high enough to get the #2 QB in the draft.
Luck will be in Miami or Indy.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Say he is the Aaron Rodgers of this draft. dropping, dropping, dropping....
Does Dallas pass on him?
I think not
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Nope, you're dodging
You’re the most artful of the type.
I want a definitive answer that I can hang my hat on. No wait and see. No fence riding.
Where do you stand?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
No dodge standing still
On my two feet. Awaiting your answer.
Besides, my answer’s evidently hidden in plain sight.
Cry 'Havoc!'
unless the rest of the season is starkly different than games 1-4...
now is the time to prepare for life after #9.
That doesn’t mean to ship him out immediately. He’s still the best we have at this point. I would still take him under center over Kitna and McGee. But I think this offseason we can no longer consider ourselves “set” at the QB position. If there’s a “value” qb at any spot in rounds 2-5, it must be considered.
At the same time, a potent running game would help him immensely. When you have a lead and can trust your running game to get 4-5 yards a carry consistently, there’s no need for 1st and 10 throws. I do think that Romo CAN win a super-bowl, just not as a Kurt Warner type QB who carries the team on his back.
Look at the times/years that we’ve had more Good Romo than Bad Romo. There have been two consistencies — a decent running game (Barber/Jones 2007…and Barber/Jones 2009) and a good defense where Tony didn’t feel like he had to win games. It looks like this year’s defense is on it’s way there, but in the absence of a reliable running game, Tony takes too much on himself to win…and thus loses.
I agree in principle
They need a running game. He’s not a guy who can consistently win games throwing 30+ times per game. He is just not elite like that.
He needs to be the guy playing next to a game-breaking RB with a good O-line.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Things will look a lot better when Romo has his #1 and #2 receivers healthy. He screwed up.
But, he screwed up because the last 3 games he’s put this team on his shoulders and carried them. Against the Redskins, it worked. This week, not so much.
I’m assuming that as the season goes on
1) The young OL improves.
2) He gets his top 2 WR’s back, healthy.
3) Scandrick and Jenkins will be healthy.
When teams have to account for Witten + Bryant + Austin, things will open up.
Look at the points they put up with no Austin and Bryant at 50%, and Romo throwing away 3 possessions. 30 Points? Are you kidding me???
This is the Realist telling you, guys, chill. This team’s offense should improve dramatically the rest of the year. Meaning, Romo will not find it necessary to do this anymore.
He threw this game away (I know, literally). But what are the odds of this happening again?
The D was the concern this year. They are actually playing pretty well! I’m actually adjusting my expectations upward.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, the real question is, is it a good beer? Realist Larry, 2011
by Realist Larry on Oct 3, 2011 7:16 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Larry I don't care how many points they put up. The L is what counts.
Garrett is a fool. He doesn’t understand the running game and how it can control a game. This team is chock full of losers. Losing mantra. Losing mentality. Losing m.o.. They can’t get it done. It’s a team game and there is always someone who fails. The team is infected by losing and it starts with Jerry.
Jerry is the end all in Dallas.
by football mensa on Oct 3, 2011 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions
The Chances of Romo
throwing a game a way again this season is pretty high. He seems to have 2-3 good games and then one really crappy game and repeats this cycle.
Jason Garrett=2011 NFL Coach of the Year
by aubatron2011 on Oct 3, 2011 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought it was just me
But now Im certain. I do hear that clack clack clack clack sound at the start of every Cowboy game under Romo. This roller coaster analogy is spot on. Romo gives a great chance to win and lose. But I agree his days are for sure numbered. We need to set our sights as soon as possible on his replacement. Granted he is hurt but would the outcome be different? I still had at least the hope Romo could pull the Cowboys bacon out of the fire Sunday. He does give us a chance to win. We all know what he can do good and bad. So until Romo “turns the magical corner” Dont forget to throw yur arms up! Clack Clack Clack Clack
Most Cowboys fans won't admit it, but I think a lot of people (even Terry) feel it
It used to be that we’d see a Good Tony in one game and a Bad Tony in another game.
Now, we see BOTH IN THE SAME GAME!!!
I don’t believe that Dallas is good enough to overcome Bad Tony.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
No way Terry feels it
He is like one of those guys in the doomsday churches this past summer who was convinced that the world was ending on a certain date and time. When it didn’t happen, he just convinced himself that he did some calculations wrong but it was coming.
Romo is who he is: An above average quarterback who can win games for you and can also screw the pooch, and do so royally. Anybody on either extreme (Romo Must Be Traded! Romo Will WIn Multiple MVP Awards!) is, what is that word that gets tossed around here so often, demented? no, not ‘demented’…DELUSIONAL! That is the word I was looking for!
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If after his flub in the Seattle playoff loss...
one fan had opined that love-him-or-leave-him Tony would always find a way to screw things up, whether it be in one game or over a string of games, I think most of us here would have denied that. Now, looking back on things, that fan, whomever he was, if he existed at all, is looking rather prescient. I don’t know if any organization would have made a decision to get rid of Tony based on that one error, but I do think a few organizations might have made that decision after some of the subsequent appearances of “Bad Tony.” Not having made the decision that some of the more prescient teams might have made, the best this organization can hope for now is that Tony doesn’t sink the season and that they can draft and groom a replacement rather quickly.
"[Sean] Lee has more value now...than our entire 2010 draft"--- An Eagles' fan.
LOL
I wonder if one day, Terry will turn out like Straight Dave in the movie, Bruno. He will finally come out and say, “Okay, I really thought I could pull this off, but now, faced with reality (and some dude in a MMA cage) staring me in the face, I know I’m not who I thought I was” and finally just unleash a tirade on Romo and how he let him down.
Than again, maybe not.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
I don't think any other season other than this one would show such a pattern.
And regardless, this happening again is all dependent on the Cowboys as a whole. When you play close games all the time, you are going to alternate between making awesome plays to win (Wash, SF) and horrible plays to lose (Det, NYJ). If we play close games all year than yes we will probably see this happen again. If the Cowboys want to be more than slightly above average, they better find a way to blowout teams and keep their foot on the other team’s neck as a team (i.e. the defense can’t allow 17 in the 4th and expect to win).
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Ahem, they WERE blowing out a team
So is it Dallas that needs to learn or is it really Romo in this case?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
It's both. 17 points allowed in the 4th by the D is never a winning strategy.
WRs making route mistakes that lead to INTs (like Robinson did) never will help keep a lead. DBs holding TEs on crucial 3rd downs will never help keep a lead. And yes, throwing off your back foot and not seeing an underneath LB will never help keep a lead. The fact is that the entire Dallas team is inconsistent. And that is what is so frustrating.
One second it can look like we have found our defensive guru and then the next you can watch Stafford pick us apart (I give them a partial pass due to the injuries to our safeties). One second our offense can look like the next Great Show on Turf (without Miles Austin no less) and the next we are throwing picks, dropping balls, and giving up crucial sacks. We are inconsistent as a team and it should be no shock that that leads to inconsistent play within a game.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Even if I conceded all of those things to you (and I don't)
…don’t you think an elite QB can elevate his game and the play of those around him by making the best possible decisions in critical situations?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Well Romo is not elite.
There are three elite guys in my opinion and one is injured and the other threw four picks two weeks ago. The other elite guy for me is Rodgers, who I think is actually the best QB in the league right now. I could go on for pages on how good I think Rodgers is and will eventually be. Regardless, I digress.
Ultimately, if we say that an elite QB always makes the best possible decision in critical decisions than I don’t think there is a single elite QB in the league right now. Manning has made huge mistakes in huge games (bigger ones than Romo has). Brady hasn’t won a playoff game in years. And Rodgers,as much as I like him, can make the questionable decision from time to time. Considering this point, I think it is hard to say that Romo should be so criticized for one game (or even two including the Jets game), especially in the context of how many close games we have been in. What we should instead recognize is that Romo can play well at crucial points in games (Washington and SF and others show this in my opinion) but needs to get more consistent at it. That is a well-reasoned criticism and one that doesn’t warrant getting rid of him so quickly as some have advocated.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
So where do you see Romo?
Is he in the same category as Eli? As Ryan?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Did you vote on the 'how are you feeling about the cowboys' poll?
What # did you give them?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
I didn't, but I'd go 6 out of 10
The D is better than I thought.
The OL is young and looking OK.
The QB and WR’s will improve.
They are a borderline playoff team, a couple of good wins and 10-6 instead of 8-8.
Or maybe 6-10 again.
Pessimists say the cup is half-empty, while optimists say it's half-full. Well, the real question is, is it a good beer? Realist Larry, 2011
by Realist Larry on Oct 4, 2011 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions
I'd have to separate it into cowboys long term and short term
I have total faith in Garrett going forward. Long term, I’d say about a 9. For some reason, I’m feeling confident we can make the qb switch within the next 2-5 years without regressing considerably.
Short term, I don’t know what the F is going on with Romo and I don’t like it, so I’d probably say 6.
I don't know, it depends on the rest of the season plays out
if these kind of collapses become a staple of this team, he obviously needs to be replaced, possibly in 2012. I consider that unlikely.
I do think we should strongly consider the Packers-Favre solution. If there is a qb we like in the first, take him, even if he ends up sitting on the bench for 2-3 years. That gives us some insurance in the case that Romo’s career is dragged down by injuries or he can’t stop with these crushing mental mistakes
Health is a problem we haven’t talked about, but I think its one which we have to consider – the finger injury affected him even after he came back in 2008, he sat most of 2010 and hes had 3 games this year affected by ribs. hes played valiantly, but you can’t deny its affected him and limited him. Hes missed or played hurt in around half his games since 2008.
I will insinuate it for him...
Romo is becoming fragile. He may not have missed any games yet with the rib injury, but in the last two years he’s sustained injuries that have either limited his play or caused him to miss a string of games. He was never what one would call an impressive physical specimen. He always relied more on technique than pure arm strength to get the ball down the field. With the rib injury, that has probably become even more critical for him, but as we’ve seen he’s resorted to throwing ducks and floaters off his back foot. I sometimes wonder too if the reluctance of this offense to throw deep has more to do with his arm strength than with the protection. Can Romo fling the ball 55 yards down the field with room to spare with little effort like Rivers or Cutler do? Even on short to intermediate routes, it is clear that Romo’s receivers need to have clear position because sometimes Romo floats the ball rather than zing it. If Romo had that kind of natural velocity on the ball, it might even be the case that some of the INT’s he’s thrown would have fallen to the ground or flown through the hands of the defense. But, above all, if he were more of a physical specimen like Rivers, would the injuries be coming so often as they are now. These are things the organization also has to consider in evaluating Romo’s future with the team.
"[Sean] Lee has more value now...than our entire 2010 draft"--- An Eagles' fan.
This is very interesting
I sometimes wonder too if the reluctance of this offense to throw deep has more to do with his arm strength than with the protection.
LFVF, this is why I love BTB. Something as plain as day is staring me in the face and yet, I didn’t see it.
I always go back to 2007, because it seemed Romo was better able to beat teams deep with T.O. than at any other time in his tenure. Even then, he was generating torque in his throwing motion through shoulder and torso rotation. You’re correct that he’s not blessed with anything more than average arm strength. I think Matt Ryan has the same issue.
Verrrrrrrrrrrry interesting.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
I think you're right
I think part of the reason hes looked better this year (disregarding his turnovers for a second) is that he has Dez and Miles to make up for the fact that his arm isn’t that strong. They come down with a lot of tight catches in traffic, especially downfield. I’ll agree with you that he generates his power with his throwing motion, which perhaps explains why is form has looked especially poor since the rib injury.
I would say what makes Romo a good/great player is
1. accuracy. Gotta have it in this league and he does.
2. Ridiculously quick throwing motion
3. Overall, he makes good, quick decisions against pressure. Ironically, his awful turnovers this year have come with little pressure. Its like if he gets too much time to throw, his gunslinger tendancies take over and he gets a little careless.
4. His houdini acts have saved us numerous occasions.
But the league’s elite qbs clearly get the ball downfield better than Romo, and they can also hit those out patterns better. Romo’s window is smaller than other qbs, but to his credit he often overcomes that with pinpoint accuracy.
it may be due to the oline
and its surely due to some bad luck, but Romo’s injury list is getting rather length. I forgot about the rib injury in 2008 during the Giants game, where he took shot after shot.
Why is everyone ready to drink bleach?
Seriously, all the trade Romo for a 3rd round pick is absolutely ridiculous. What you loved about him in weeks 2 & 3 is what you hate about him weeks 1 & 4, it’s the nature of the game. Period. There’s no better QB for this team, right now. If you trade him we’re writing off at least the next 2 season when players like Miles & Witten are in their prime
I think some people
are saying trade Romo, but I think more people are just saying that we need to start finding a replacement via the draft for him. Not one that would start right a way, but maybe sit on the bench a year or two, and if this stuff continues, then let him go. But rookie QBs have had success recently.
Jason Garrett=2011 NFL Coach of the Year
Hmmmmm
This is almost correct;
it’s the nature of the game.
I think it’s the nature of HIS game.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
That's fair
But what we love(d) about him is what we hate(d) about him. There’s a whole lot of football left to be played and there’s no reason to panic, yet.
by CowboysFan_inDC on Oct 4, 2011 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions
CFiDC, when, in your estimation, would it be appropriate for JG to say to himself...
“okay, finding our next QB is now a priority for us in the offseason”?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
No, it's the nature of the Cowboys.
When you continuously play close games like the Cowboys have, you will make polarizing plays that will look both horrible or awesome. The Cowboys have played those games and unsurprisingly the player with the ball in his hands the majority of the game (the QB) has looked terrible at the end of some games and awesome in others.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
Has he really looked awesome?
Did he really look awesome against Washington?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
All things I considered I thought he looked pretty awesome (especially 3rd and 21).
Steve Young and Trent Dilfer thought he looked awesome as well.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
In a game where he failed to lead the team to a TD, I have trouble saying ANY QB was awesome
We obviously disagree as to the meaning of the word.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Let me fix this for you.
In a game where he led his team to a win over the division-leading Redskins in the final minute with broken ribs and wholly inexperienced (or injured) WRs, I have trouble not recognizing what kind of accomplishment that is.
If I had a nickel for every Super Bowl the Eagles have won, I would have zero nickels.
About that...
if a defense can hold a division leader to 16 points, we probably didn’t win a game because the QB was awesome.
You should recognize the accomplishments of people not named Romo for that win.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
I thought the 3rd and 21 move was awesome
We have to keep in mind though that Romo went to his backyard football skills for that one when he had Dez deviate from the normal plan. Romo can and has done this and gets away with it but eventually its gonna catch up to us.
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
Yep...likely in a game more meaningful than that one
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Going back to what you said about the time management
Sorry was going to fast when you made the comment and now I don’t want to hunt through 400+ to find it. Having to get everyone up to the line and snap the ball it would be interesting to see a breakdown of how Kitna and McGee faired last year compared to how its been this year so far. If its the same all the way across the board then that would be on the coaching, if its not then maybe its one cog in the process.
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
Someone put lemon scented bleach
On the bar. They couldn’t help themselves.
The Garrett Guillotine demands more blood!
by Blue Eyed Devil on Sep 5, 2011 3:30 PM PDT
If you're going to eat poison, you might as well lick the plate.
5Blings I hear your pain
Romo’s interceptions and problems don’t come from mentaly chocking but from bad technique. Just taking a look at the 3 thrown in Detroit alone, the first two ints to Carp and Houston were both caused by from Romo aligning to far to the right in his throwing stance and trying to open up his shoulders and throw across his body. This causes inaccurate and underthrown balls. This was also the case in the int during the Jets game when he was trying to target Dez. The third int during the Lions game was more of a obvious technique issue when he tried throwing off of his back foot to Witten.
I do not see the throws as poor choices, but poor execution. It is still on Romo, but these are issues that can be corrected. Brady was having similar issues during the preseason. The difference is that Brady went to his longtime personal QB coach Tom Martinez who helped him evaluate and correct his technique. Maybe Romo needs a personal QB coach or a change of Dallas’s QB coach.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Historically it seems more of Romo's INT's come when he throws to his right side
That’s purely anecdotal on my part.
Thoughts?
And welcome back, B26, BTB has missed you!
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Most have come from the right side during his career
During his career he has had 19 to the left, 15 in the middle and 33 to the right side. This year he has had 1 to the left and 4 to the right side.
I still think most of it is technique with him aligning to far to the right side line in his pass setup and trying to throw back across his body. The arm motion he has to make realy takes velocity off of the ball. For most people to understand what is happening they can grab a football and sit with thier right knee on the ground and thier left foot facing downfield. From this postion try making throws at 10, 20 and 30 yards to the right, middle and then left. They will notice that as they try and go to the left they start loosing the distance they can throw and become less accurate. With Romo now imagine aligning to far to the right of your target and throwing to your left.
Now you can open up the left side using a sidearm throw, which was the throwing style that Romo had through college. He completely changed his mechanics when he came to the NFL. His alignment problem is not something that happens every throw but when it does he is more than likely to underthrow the ball slightly. This is what gives a defender underneath the coverage a chance at an int.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
Ha!
Who needs stats? I could tell he was more prone to the right than the left just from a quick replay of his INT’s.
Love the description of his mechanical problems, B26.
I don’t think they’re all velocity-based INT’s, some may just be that his vision isn’t as great when he aligns too far to the right prior to delivery.
Just a suggestion, but I think you, better than anyone, could put a fanpost together on Romo’s mechanical problems using clips and some of your expert descriptions as captions. Assuming he reads BTB (everyone does, right?), tell us (him) how to correct them too…
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Somewhat?
The throw to Dez that was INT by Carpenter was an awesome play by Carp… and the a sad response from the offense to stop him before he got to the endzone.
I watched that play… Tony was counting on Dez making the play on the sideline but Carpenter got some excellent elevation and picked it out of the air like a good receiver would and then ran it back like a good running back. Why he never did that in Dallas I will never know… oh wait he was a product of the Philips evolution.
The 2nd one to Houston was a timing route… he threw the ball before Robinson even made his cut and Houston took inside position away from him and stole it and still here’s another one that should have never gone for a pic 6 since Robinson was right there and should have tackled him right when he caught it or tried to knock it down at least.
The 3rd was the pass he under threw to Witten… the one that really gave me the chills. The only one that I really put on Romo’s shoulders completely.
All the picks were bad but… not all were a product of a bad throw… just some great play by the defense and some bad tackling after the fact. While we are at it lets blame Romo for the 2 INTS Kitna threw while replacing Romo in the San Fran game because hell he wouldn’t have been in there if Romo hadn’t wimped out and ran back to the dressing room at half time. We could even blame Tree’s fumble on Romo.. or maybe the price of gas.
RexP
No
You’re dead wrong here.
Carp slid over into the passing lane but Romo, as he often does on his right side, did not see him sitting on the route. He threw the ball without the necessary air underneath it and got it picked cleanly.
The one to Houston could be the one I give him a pass on.
The one to Witten was another Romistake.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
They were bad throws
Carpenter was about 13 yards inside the sideline and almost 7 yards below Dez who was breaking around to the sideline about 8 yards in. Carp did a good job getting over but with Romo’s alignment he way underthrew that ball.
On the pass to Robinson, Houston never got inside of Robinson. Houston was on Robinson’s outside hip ocket when Robinson broke inside on his route 1 yeard beyong the first down marker. The ball was thrown above Robinsons head and slightly behind and Houston Jumped up and pulled the ball in. Robinson turned and tried to fight for the ball, but Houston had body leverage at this point. Had the ball thrown in front of Robinson he would have had Houston blocked out and had the first down.
All three passes were good routes by the receivers where they had thier man beat, good reads by Romo, but poor machanics caused accuracy problems with the passes.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
It looked like Robinson didn't cross Houston's face enough to shield him from the ball
So you think that was because he had to slow up and adjust to the ball that was thrown behind and high?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
You can clearly see him slow up and try and adjust to the ball.
He just could not get his body in postion to try and make the catch. Houston stayed in his back pedal through the route and almost bit on the route going up field. You can see him just start to make an upper body turn but come back and play the ball. He was fully facing the QB and in a better body position to make the catch than Robinson was.
As I said I do not blame Romo for going pass on any of the 3 plays, but I do believe it came down to mechanics. Just speculation but I think as the shots for his ribs started wearing off in the 3rd quarter and pain returned, he was not able to make some of the throws he normaly would.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
He said the ribs did not affect him at all
…but who knows whether or not that’s just tough guy talk or not?
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Not sure if it did or not
That is just personal speculation on my part. Having been through that while playing QB for UCF “Central Flaorida, the best program in the nation” I know that rib injuries do not just go away. But this is pure speculation.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.
I'll be watching his alignment on his throws to the right and far right the rest of the year
I have to see this for myself!!!
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Stats point us to an area of success or failure
Eyeballs tell us why. Look forward to our conversations going forward. You say it is a mental problem, I say it is mechanics.
You have to play this game like somebody just hit your mother with a two-by-four. Dan Birdwell. Oakland Raiders
How do you want to be rememberd. Go out there and play every play like it is your last play. Be remembered as the person you want to be for the rest of your life. Spike Dykes, Midland Lee and Texas Tech Coach.

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